endgame-lounge

[wicked delta]

Dancing green was fun

[jolly flume]

ppl should just hold 2s for rep 2 until the defamations are able to gapclose in tbh

[tawdry delta]

Even p1s had body checks

[sleek moon]

i wanna know the opinion of those ppl that hated RDM's ranged magic combo change

how do they think these fights would go

or BLM's shorter cast times

[jolly flume]

the same as it did for every other fight where rdm got screwed during 2s

it would clear

and the players would cry but they would still kill the boss

[clear plume]

rdm would still be less screwed than any melee on those same sections

[sleek moon]

but now it isnt screwed at all is what i mean, it ended up being a good change for them

[clear plume]

and cast time change wouldnt effect much but weapons

[jolly flume]

never ask a man his salary, a woman her weight, or a dancer what they're gonna do if their tech step comes up as they have to move to their mirror in fru p2

[clear plume]

they didnt hate the change bc they wanted better uptime

they hated it bc they had to stop planning around when they dont

[wicked delta]

Mb

[jolly flume]

you can't even say mb

you refuse to do fru

you hate the gays

[sleek moon]

sapphicphobic

[wicked delta]

I can because I can envision myself not doing tech step

[clear plume]

like youre responding to "i hate that i dont have to think and have free uptime now" with "see you get free uptime now its a better change"

[wicked delta]

WTF I love the gays

[torn mesa]

Does Tobi also refuse to do M10S?

[wicked delta]

No I just kinda get griefed by people lol

[sleek moon]

[wicked delta]

I had a 8k dps sch earlier

[sleek moon]

delaying melee combo isnt exactly some big brain optimization lol

[boreal pumice]

Did they boost

[wicked delta]

Fucking felt like it

[clear plume]

anybody here need any of the minions from OC? im capped and have ciphers already

also with first gcd buffs rdm wouldnt even be screwed

[daring pine]

lol

[wicked delta]

They only spammed like succor and thats it lol

[boreal pumice]

You giving away the 3 pigs ?

[jolly flume]

I saw some wicked shit from red mages backflipping out to their mirrors in fru after greeding their melee combos

[clear plume]

youd get your three melee gcds off before you backflip for defa

[daring pine]

deep impact moment

[daring pine]

i did this during desert in m6s

cuz im a greedy pig

[sleek moon]

i use backflip to wall it

jumping off the arena in style

[dapper zealot]

Damn Zane became sch

[stray forge]

Wait

I had that sch too!@

[wicked delta]

I trolled on arena split cus I forgot to use kb immune

[dapper zealot]

Were they from dynamis?

[clear plume]

also place bets on 2 (two) carrots am i getting another acc gamers

[dapper zealot]

Getting nothing

[wicked delta]

Son 😭😭😭

[dapper zealot]

Bruh

[jolly flume]

62.3% uptime is pretty good

[boreal pumice]

Fairly high , deep rings are fairly common

[jolly flume]

yknow

[wicked delta]

Sure hope he doesn’t dump all his aetherflow into energy drain!

[sleek moon]

drop the price fast so i can buy them by the time i care about OC again

[jolly flume]

that might actually be the first log I've ever seen that has avoid overheal ticked

probably because they didnt' heal

[thin fox]

papers please

[jolly flume]

but still

[wicked delta]

Yes

He didn’t heal

[stray forge]

mb it wasnt scholar it was astro

[wicked delta]

[sleek moon]

my group got the enrage passport even though everybody did towers wrong and just raised through it

but hey pf only cares about % and mechanic shown

[wicked delta]

Put the sch and this ast into a world race static

[thin fox]

i have a better healer than all of you

watch this

[wicked delta]

CHILLLSSSS

[sleek moon]

he didnt phleg his balls

[jolly flume]

even my best logs are like

nowhere close to having avoid overheal ticked

that goes kinda hard

maybe I should try just never healing

[thin fox]

that was sge rdps

[stray forge]

damn the lb dps almost catching up

[dapper zealot]

Really getting getting to the bottom of the barrel at this stage

[sleek moon]

what fight was this

[thin fox]

m11s clear party

[jolly flume]

that entire party's damage is fried

[sleek moon]

[thin fox]

in my defense

[jolly flume]

how is your highest dps doing 35

[thin fox]

my damage was bad because i got killed

i was running with brink cuz healers are grief and also no one mit

[dapper zealot]

Yeah you're just casual raiding for fun :)

[daring pine]

got past snaking

party fucked up deep aerial though

somehow

was this close to seeing split arena brah

[sleek moon]

all it takes is someone not going all the way to the wall and blue is fucked

[daring pine]

pct fucked it but thats cuz they just got raised

happens

now we go again

[jolly flume]

is it the wall

I thought he just like

goes past you if you're not at the wall

[clear plume]

impossible fight sorry

rng dps check

[jolly flume]

crit rng

so true

[clear plume]

this is exactly how top on patch felt

[jolly flume]

yeah I'm sure

just like how every other fight this tier also has a tight dps check

day 19000 of asking how pf healers manage to do 18k and then say the fight is tuned too tightly

[daring pine]

uuh

?

[stray forge]

I'm also terrible shit

How 2 weave

[daring pine]

wtf is the other team doing

this pld thought the ia tb was furthest from boss LOLL @jolly flume

😭

[sleek moon]

he stops like a few steps past you but not fully

we've had runs where a melee was first blue

and they attempt to greed it

every other blue after that cant stretch tether

or at the very least the second blue cant

[jolly flume]

ic

[sleek moon]

kinda like the dashes at the start of the fight, he stops where #2 and #4 are

[jolly flume]

that's never really happened to us I think, most common failure is just dragging the tether too close to the adjacent wall with the same effect

[sleek moon]

despite drawing a full line of fire

[jolly flume]

but I'm like 99% sure that's livable if the short tethers get tank mits

[sleek moon]

oh yeah its not lethal

[jolly flume]

they almost never die from the actual tether

just the explosion after

[sleek moon]

just requires people to pay attention that it's happening

[jolly flume]

the timing to heal them is just absurdly tight

[sleek moon]

in my experience ppl arent paying attention so unstretched tether dies either to the tether or to the aoe after

our healers are also a bit greedy with heals so

[daring pine]

um

[random needle]

This happened to me earlier too

[sleek moon]

the one thing i dont like about nomnom, if blue is cleaving middle the brains of red group will short circuit

[daring pine]

assuming red has brains

which, from my experience, is apparently never the case

no seriously these are the dumbest people i've ever seen

bro

[random needle]

My brain absolutely shorts out when blue goes mid, that's on me

[stray forge]

Eh

Just hug the fire pools

theres always space

[sleek moon]

what did you buy @jolly flume

[vestal hollow]

if im red's tank i always watch and position him towards the open spot so other people get the hint

i also use the tb to recenter him for cleave

[daring pine]

oh my goodness gracious

can red give blue space during ia please

i quite literally had 0 space to bait my alley oop and then our melee got clipped because i had to adjust last second

💔

[vestal hollow]

there are some patterns that are admittedly dogshit for blue lol

terrible baiting aside

[random needle]

Naaaahhhh, the melee has to be right on the cardinal direction for each cleave, clearly

[vestal hollow]

loved the prog pf i was in where the caster would confidenly stand on top of me for buster every pull

[random needle]

One time I dropped my leylines on the tank for the solo TB in solo blue phase

I stopped doing that very quick

[jolly flume]

engraving permits

tbf I think it's kinda arbitrary whether you do artificing or essences first

[rapid whale]

SAJJIES I HAD A RANK 1

BUT WE ENRAGED

SAJJIES!!!!!!!

[thin fox]

literally how

[rapid whale]

IDK

IM TRYING MY BEST

o well

[clear plume]

r1 wipe log =/= r1 clear

[rapid whale]

its enrage tho

if anything my dps would be higher

because it's after the 2min

[thin fox]

one change I wish this game made

I wish that clearing a fight on a character registered you as duty complete on all your characters

[clear plume]

r1 pct right now is 41633

[rapid whale]

oic

nvm

[daring pine]

bro shut up 💔

[clear plume]

it would be like rank 91

[jolly flume]

it does on tomestone and that's what counts 💔

[thin fox]

tomestone won't let me join parties marked duty complete

[clear plume]

bros stealing my shit

[jolly flume]

just dm the host!!

[daring pine]

wtf

its xeems

does he have his lil xeems out again

[thin fox]

has he got his lil xeems out

[rapid whale]

oh yea

ive actually parsed higher th an that LMAO

a 39.9

nvm wasnt even a pb idc anymore

[sleek moon]

SE doesn't want to believe alts exist and are a thing

still remember how fast they patched being able to friend your own alts

because people were using alts for storage

and it would hurt their precious retainer sub

[jolly flume]

dude it pissed me off so bad that I couldn't friend my alt so it could tp to my house for repairs

this game is so shit in so many fundamental ways

[sleek moon]

i have a bunch of alts that i cant delete because they have my main friended

got grandfathered

i use them for subs

[rapid whale]

we found the 1% GET EM

[jolly flume]

im so poor

accepting all gil donations help your local cute femra washed up raider buy a cart mount

[daring pine]

ok

[clear plume]

ive offered to let u take over my fc airships on gilg alt for free

being poor is ur choice atp

[jolly flume]

nah it's just a bit LOL

ever since noble offered to buy me the cart if I fanta'd to xaela malera

[stray forge]

Why didnt u do it

[jolly flume]

I would sooner delete my service account than play one of those creatures

[sleek moon]

wtf

thats blackmail

[stray forge]

whats wrong with xaela

[sleek moon]

or not blackmail but the word isnt coming to me rn

[stray forge]

I was xaela

[stray forge]

coercion

[jolly flume]

nothing's wrong with xaela

[thin fox]

bribe?

[jolly flume]

everything is wrong with malera

also it's extortion you're looking for I think

or bribe idk

[thin fox]

i just walked in on daycare

field trip andys over here

[clear plume]

lolcow dono embarassdment ritual

[sleek moon]

ok this yeah

[jolly flume]

someone get the flamethrower

[stray forge]

what the hell is a malera

[sleek moon]

a dark creature

[thin fox]

thats the thing bill gates is trying to stop people from getting in africa i think

[sleek moon]

i would say based bill gates but the recent developments prevents me from doing so

[jolly flume]

american news is indistinguishable from the onion

[daring pine]

why are red having so much issues positioning red hot for cutback blaze at the end of snaking

[stray forge]

thavnairian onion

[low hearth]

hard mech

[daring pine]

ok saw deep aerial again

but people fucked it

again

[daring pine]

https://tenor.com/view/dandelion-cat-meme-nature-plant-gif-8120693323711655977

[versed kayak]

bnuuy to cheer you up

[daring pine]

bnuuy

guh

let's do this together, bro...

[low hearth]

If there ain’t a wave to ride just make one yourself

[daring pine]

what if red hot is the wave

[low hearth]

dang insane air is not that hard 😭

[daring pine]

dude

[low hearth]

Somebody gotta be on auto pilot

[daring pine]

i swear 90% of people on red

are just

extremely fucking dented

you can preposition for all 3 of the surfboards

it doesn't matter what boss you get

just dont hit the other fucking group with it oh my god bruh its not hard

@versed kayak im finally free from snaking hell

[versed kayak]

yay! surely you'll get people with braincells next

[daring pine]

no i wont

the best i'll get is 7 primates that have 1 more iq than my previous pfs so i can actually prog

[versed kayak]

damn

[daring pine]

pf once again proving tanks and melee dps don't have rights

[remote gate]

please dont take my rights away marce

[daring pine]

you never had them in the first place

[remote gate]

fair enough

[flint ledge]

mb

[vestal hollow]

[flint ledge]

@remote gate i got my relic

[remote gate]

my ass been in eureka lately

[remote gate]

lets fucking go

[daring pine]

you get a pass for being hot oomf

[vestal hollow]

omg yay

[flint ledge]

its so peak

[daring pine]

dark knights are exempt

we love dark knights

[flint ledge]

why tho lmao

[flint ledge]

real

[remote gate]

told you bro third step drk relic is fire

[flint ledge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hypergoku7-so-peak-absolutely-li7H27JwLTBxeeXgJ8

[remote gate]

needed a break from raids + eureka is fun as fuck

[flint ledge]

i wonder if 4th will be any good

[flint ledge]

fair

[remote gate]

i gave you obs and tbns during m9s...

[flint ledge]

i might go back to eureka to finish drk relic idk

[remote gate]

bet

ill do it with you

[flint ledge]

im like 150 hydatos crystals away from done

[remote gate]

hydatos 😭

[flint ledge]

yea

whar

[thin fox]

finally got alt clear

[remote gate]

ba is the only good part of hydatos

[thin fox]

won the chestpiece with a 38 holy

[flint ledge]

[remote gate]

nice work

[flint ledge]

peak

[thin fox]

yw for the hold

[remote gate]

like the more time I spend in hydatos the more I hate it because its so flat in both design and in gameplay

[flint ledge]

holy drk was cooking

[thin fox]

a few ppl had raid weapons in this party

it was c44

[remote gate]

like 10 NMs + ovni and support suck

[remote gate]

795?

[thin fox]

yea

[remote gate]

woah

[flint ledge]

damn

[thin fox]

both melee had them i knew that much

[remote gate]

eugh I need to do m10

[flint ledge]

me wit my poor lil 775

[thin fox]

holy fuck those raid weapons let us unleash 2 16k rdps healers into reclears

[flint ledge]

my gear is in fact not it

[jolly flume]

the law of inverse item level will forever hold true

[versed kayak]

:( damn marce hates me

[remote gate]

should've walled bro now theyre going to terrorize reclears

[worn bluff]

this was an orange in M11S with 785 gear

[thin fox]

raid weapon diff

[jolly flume]

my favorite pf trope is blacklisting someone immediately after clearing them

[remote gate]

not the worst log ive seen but definitely carried by gear

[thin fox]

is it spiritually lying if i said that caster uses chest as bis if i didn't know if that was actually true when i said it

[novel garden]

Iirc theres like only caster, p range and I think rpr and drg that need raid chest ya?

[thin fox]

actual poverty rolls

[amber fable]

tanks can use tome pants tbf

you get slightly lower dps than raid pants

[amber fable]

looks decent enough

you can play worse and still get good parses

[worn bluff]

i mean some rank 1 logs have weird rotations

and not like optimized rotations

[amber fable]

just crit

as always

[worn bluff]

just like "what the heck is this guy doing"

[amber fable]

simply have 70% crit on burst

and fuck up everything else

easy

[worn bluff]

then you get people going to the balance asking about the rotation

and trying to copy it

[novel garden]

Stares at rank 1 for 10 to see them charge solar during the "do it together bro" without rof being up.

But it makes sense tho because cleave before they spread apart

[thin fox]

this game is actually so shit

0 DHIT STAR

0 CRIT RAINBOW

[clear plume]

there is a neat website that collates the top 10 logs for a fight side by side

and includes china

[jolly flume]

phoenix is like 65% gain on 2 to 15% on rof

so that's like

giga gain

[clear plume]

https://raalm.com/m-spec/main_menu.html

lets you filter to killtimes and such too

[thin fox]

@rapid whale

[novel garden]

Yeah I used to be like so hard stuck on the balance guide instead of looking at optimizations but now I'm just like "this makes sense now" lol

[clear plume]

complaining when u have 50% dh rate is crazy cope

[amber fable]

as long as damage fall off isnt high

cleave is generally better

[daring pine]

i could never hate a bnuu

[amber fable]

unless you're viper

[jolly flume]

even for viper

it's like 80% falloff

depending on the number of raid buffs in your team

it's very possible cleaving is the correct choice for total damage

[amber fable]

reawaken is 85 iirc

or was it 80...i dont remember

[clear plume]

!action reawaken

[storm frost]

**Reawaken** : lvl 90 Viper (2.2 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 750 for the first enemy, and 80% less for all remaining enemies.
Additional Effect: Grants 5 stacks of Anguine Tribute
Duration: 30s
Serpent Offerings Gauge Cost: 50

Powered by XIVAPI

[amber fable]

so for a buffer comp doing in burst is better

[jolly flume]

depends on what buffs and the number of them but yeah

[clear plume]

also depends if youre actually losing cleave during the 2m bc of it, you have a lot of natural shit inside of it

[amber fable]

well ire gives 30 sec of leeway

but in context of m10 at 2min

[rapid whale]

sup

lmao

[low hearth]

[worn bluff]

saw a streamer release a c41 that greeded M11S arena split tower and gave everyone bleed just to get a 0

[jolly flume]

goat behavior

[clear plume]

the people u find in 11s cf1s

"its not my main"

[dapper zealot]

no wonder why my prae run was taking twice as long

[sly basin]

i had a specimen in ex farm

i shouldve saved a picture but one pull they did less dps than lb

[dapper zealot]

I couldn't fit the whole thing in one screenshot

[dapper zealot]

?? were they dead for half the fight

[sly basin]

they never died 😭 they were also pl and it took an hour to fill so i was not interested in going back in the waiting mines

[dapper zealot]

how the fuck is kardia only 55% then????????

[sly basin]

i rlly have no idea and i wasnt sure how to say "hey ur not doing great" without revealing i was acting

[dapper zealot]

I mean, kardia is one of those things that's raelly obvious

[sly basin]

i think i just didnt notice..... i usually keep a better eye on that

[rapid whale]

was it me

[dapper zealot]

Yes

[rapid whale]

yoo i got lifetime 1st 99s

[worn bluff]

it was a WAR who also didn't stand in his tower at enrage

[rapid whale]

2 in a day LETS GOO

[worn bluff]

and then baited the other tank into adjusting and using their invuln

but also used their own invuln

and they both died but somehow they still cleared

[rapid whale]

LMAO

[worn bluff]

in the same pull that he greeded the arena split tower

[sly basin]

donut earring swag

[thin fox]

also reason im fucked on my picto parses is cuz i missed a week of m12 so i dont have my tome weapon

[worn bluff]

i'm a week behind too

[dapper zealot]

I think I missed the second week

[rapid whale]

i never intended to get a tome weapon

[worn bluff]

i have no other slots to spend tomes on anymore

[rapid whale]

might as well bis out every job

it's gonna be true bis for ultimate until like, 8.4 savage

[clear plume]

3 more fights to go

[clear plume]

lmk whern we hitting up the 8:30 kt 9 and 12-2s

[dull drum]

780 ilevel kinda nuts

[rapid whale]

sure with you noble and i with some others we can crank

idk who's into funni number stuff

[rapid whale]

wait is it 2 chest

cuz yeah aint no way in hell a 2 chest with that ilvl req fills this late lol

[clear plume]

they want exclusively people stuck on the fight since week 1

[rapid whale]

LOL

[clear plume]

Surely I get dnc weapon on reclears

And I can double dip for dnc barses

[trim frost]

silent retweet

[dull drum]

idk just saw the pic on twitter

[rapid whale]

o ok

[daring pine]

where is valcors boobs on my tl

[trim frost]

nowhere

boobs are a private affair

[rapid whale]

https://klipy.com/gifs/never-do-1

[worn bluff]

imagine this party fills and then crumbles because both tanks thought they were OT

[torn mesa]

can we do 8:35 M9S

so I can do the generational Ogi padding

[wicked delta]

Loud retweet

[limpid edge]

im not followin this, im goin north as purple melee bro

[clear plume]

will u dh under buffs to make up for it?

[worn bluff]

i think it's just a suggestion

as long as you resolve it doesn't matter

[trim frost]

if you wanna not grief maybe go into the north corner or something

[worn bluff]

there's a chance someone else has the same idea as you so make sure you don't die :^)

[limpid edge]

every run that had someone do it the TF way wiped so far for me

[clear plume]

(im fully on page for a funny meme thing to prove its possible)

[limpid edge]

whyh not just do it the same way as the other ones

[worn bluff]

it's usually fine after curtain call prog

[amber fable]

m12p1 is easier than m11 right?

[worn bluff]

i don't see many issues with spreading in the center

[trim frost]

in terms of

[worn bluff]

i mean... m12p1 is like the comfiest fight of the entire tier for me personally

[amber fable]

i might as well prog m12 if i cant clear m11 this week

[worn bluff]

it's a big training dummy once you learn the mechs

[amber fable]

fight in general

[worn bluff]

there's not much movement and no disengages

[amber fable]

might as well waste time to get wep

instead of 1 raid bis piece gear

[trim frost]

i mean the rdps req is technically tighter but i think in all other aspects it's way more comfy

[worn bluff]

i would say it's easier than 11

[amber fable]

i am mostly fine at m11 beside orbital

[trim frost]

ping check!

[amber fable]

ecliptic looks free

[trim frost]

lol

[amber fable]

and ofc greed at arena split

[worn bluff]

ecliptic is simple until someone drops a puddle in front of you

[amber fable]

man do i stop pressing buttons there

[trim frost]

ranged gcd for your life

[amber fable]

i know..i just zone out in the heat of moment

[trim frost]

ecliptic should be free but every pull people will find new and creative ways to wipe you anyway

[clear plume]

i have yet to see a group do ecliptic clean including my own in fun runs

[limpid edge]

fixed stampede made it harder in PF

[worn bluff]

i'm a tank so i was spared from the whole fixed stampede thing

[limpid edge]

cuz the diagram sucks ballsack

[trim frost]

same

[amber fable]

i mean its basically range take baits but it can be 2 on same side

and its yolo

[trim frost]

now i just get wiped by people pulling tethers ccw for some reason :')

[amber fable]

yolo is not good in pf

[worn bluff]

i kind of want to try m11 on melee DPS idk if there's something wrong with me

[amber fable]

melee dps is easier

than tank

if you can mt

you can melee

easily

[worn bluff]

i usually mt

[amber fable]

i have done melee,range and tank posn in m11 so far

[worn bluff]

i haven't really played melee in a while so it's more rotation stuff

[amber fable]

i can handle it all usually

altho i am more comfy as tank

rpr might suck at weapons

monk with 1m during ultimate weps..

with sword to scythe

not a good time

[worn bluff]

i used to be a RPR main but i hear it's not great this tier

so i might just try to learn DRG

[limpid edge]

how unpopular is rpr rn

[amber fable]

idk

week 1 clears was 3%

unpopular I will say

[limpid edge]

2nd least popular dps

[amber fable]

its basically vpr whos more punished for not doing 123

[limpid edge]

lots of former rpr mains prob moved to vpr

some ninja mains too but at least they share gear so you can interchange

[amber fable]

rpr has other issues too tbf

but i dont have energy to hate on it now

[worn bluff]

VPR releasing was the reason for this emote being created

[amber fable]

also why does range attack breaks gluttony executioner stacks

its like saying enpi should break iaijutsu

why this discrimination

[worn bluff]

it was never a problem until this tier i feel

i watched some people play RPR it seems pretty cringe

[amber fable]

its infuriating af

10 shroud guage is 6 gcd worth

so wasting your gluttony is gg

[worn bluff]

yeah you basically have to do nothing

[alpine plover]

attonement not breaking confetti was the bestest thing

[amber fable]

atleast boring blade dont break it

man it used to I think

[alpine plover]

ngl i'm glad i decided to tank

this tier

[amber fable]

tank is always a good option

[alpine plover]

has me more aware that i need to send higher potency shit into FOF

or that i can send confetti later if i am taking autos

so that it heals me

and so on

made me a better player

[amber fable]

just make pld invuln 6 min

[alpine plover]

or that wings behind is actually smaller than it looks

[amber fable]

and it will best tank

[kind elm]

@steep narwhal diffed me guys

[amber fable]

and make passage circle while at it

[alpine plover]

now the question is

[shy obsidian]

investing in an alt is not for the weak jesus
either I go the long way or say goodbye to my money

[alpine plover]

is paladin harder to master than the others

[amber fable]

pld opti is 80 potency under buffs

[shy obsidian]

why would it be harder? it's got a simple, very forgiving rotation

[amber fable]

gotta go by fight

[alpine plover]

to play it's easy

but when you get to optimizing it's more nuanced

[shy obsidian]

hm.

[amber fable]

fitting sepulcher, dmhs, supplication isnt always possible

but like the gain isnt that different

unless you fast blade

[alpine plover]

yuh

like before i actually seriously played i just sent whatever in FoF

cuz it didn't matter

but now i'm more aware

[trim frost]

optimizing is just putting your strongest gcds under buffs

[alpine plover]

yea

oh and keeping holy spirit for potential melee downtime

[trim frost]

blade combo (obviously), goring blade, and then 3 among royal authority / holy spirit / atonement combo

[alpine plover]

or confetti

[amber fable]

i hardcast it if I can get enough time to cast it

better than lobbing

[whole estuary]

If Hallowed Ground lasted for 6 mins PLD would indeed be the best tank

[trim frost]

royal authority/atonement are 460p
holy spirit/supplication are 500p

and sepulchre is 540

[clear plume]

not using holy spirit stack until youd overcap it unless buffs are out isnt super high tech stuff its kind of basic ngl

[trim frost]

so ideally you want the last three but that's not always possible

[worn bluff]

you will have lots of party and buddy mit

also, every mit plan will say "any non-PLD can invuln this"

[amber fable]

me when i invuln great wall of fire

guess i will die at heartbreak

[trim frost]

despite pld having a good amount of mits you'll still see a lot of plds constantly overcap on gauge instead of trying to utilize free mit

[alpine plover]

anyway

the point was not that it's hard

[wicked delta]

Im also thinking of investing in an alt but I wouldn’t even know what jobskip to get alongside it

[alpine plover]

the question was if it's harder to master compared to other tanks

[wicked delta]

[alpine plover]

on an optimal level

[trim frost]

and by overcap i mean like oh 550 gauge was lost to overcap

[clear plume]

id say gnb has the most opti

[trim frost]

not like 30-40 here or there

[amber fable]

me overcapping 1k guage

[trim frost]

gnb opti is Just Crit Nerd

[worn bluff]

tbh i'm still working on this bad habit, bc i picked up PLD from being a melee who never had to think about other people

[clear plume]

even drk id say has more with when you can overcap without losses and aligning with buffs

[worn bluff]

i only missed out on 2 sheltrons/interventions in 12-1 at least

[clear plume]

and any tank opti is gonna be just crit then, it takes an extra 15s of uptime in a fight to make up for a single big hit on any tank not critting

it be how the game works nowadays

[amber fable]

drk had guage management when LS had 50 cost

missing LS under buffs cuz you spilled

gg

[alpine plover]

m12s p2 has me with 0 gauge overcap

fking autos man

[amber fable]

drk is free now

[worn bluff]

i actually had to start mitting less in M11 with some healers bc of LB gen in first half of fight

since people prefer to LB3 first

[alpine plover]

it's the rep/feint/addles that influence it more in a sense

veil/shields and "buff" mits don't really

[amber fable]

feint in my savage??

[shy obsidian]

for my lalafell, I'm definitely doing black mage and red mage
but hm... should I pick up white mage and scholar on the side...?

[worn bluff]

idk with this one group i just took off all my veils/wings until after meteorain lol. actually felt harder to do since i was so used to mitting

[clear plume]

yes and no, hitting low hp still gives extra lb when you get healed back up

[alpine plover]

yuh

uwu lb cheese taught me how it works

[clear plume]

it doesnt effect surviving a hit youd otherwise die lb gen, but thats not nearly as much as eos/whm lily healing critical hp gives to begin with

[alpine plover]

chalybirdyssmth into an aoe heal

is a lot of lbgen

[worn bluff]

i pop veil after charybdis

dunno if there's a better time around there

[clear plume]

do it after one of the hits while healers are moving across the arena

[amber fable]

i usually use it at crown before so i dun have it there

[clear plume]

char cast is a let healers handle it bc no damage for 15s before or after it thing

[worn bluff]

i do prepull, weapon set 2, after charybdis, meteorain. but i didn't really give much thought to revising it since early prog

[amber fable]

does arena need rep at specific times?

i have been yoloing it

[thin tartan]

No i jsut feed mt buddy mit

[copper eagle]

guys

my ass got speed progged

[wicked delta]

God I see what you do for others

I want that for me

[alpine plover]

[rapid whale]

uve been offered

you always say no

[wicked delta]

[copper eagle]

m9s was like 8 pulls only

Cuz pf randoms at start

[rapid whale]

vamp stomp hardest mech in the entire game

[sinful brook]

True

[alpine plover]

my temptation to hit gapclose at vamp stomp is unimaginable

[finite plank]

meld sks on pld to have more auto attacks for more gauge

big brain move

[valid solar]

invul + gapclose if anyone else gets hit its not your problem

[rapid whale]

does this actually work?

[trim frost]

no but

there’s a funny thing with deep dungeon (especially) where the crafted garuda weapon is really good for pld because it has weirdly fast auto attack and you build gauge faster without suffering damage loss

[rapid whale]

?!

i thought dd used their own gear

[trim frost]

it does

but it uses your main hand’s auto attack stat

[versed kayak]

curious

[trim frost]

if it used your main hand’s damage stat then yeah it would suck ass but because it uses aetherpool it’s only advantageous

only for pld and only for getting more sheltron/intervention out

not really useful for anyone else

[rapid whale]

nifty

[finite plank]

i thought it'd technically work but barely noticeable since sks affects autos

oh right, i forgot

it affects the damage of auto attacks, not how many more auto attacks

i think

[trim frost]

ya

[tired egret]

tbh it would be neat to see stuff like Skill Speed be more relevant

maybe for like Bard

or jobs with not alot of gcd reduction stuff

[amber fable]

just make it haste

let everyone go 1.5

[tired egret]

hell yes

[finite plank]

bozja

shb war with 1.5 gcd inner release

[lapis token]

Always be clipping.

[tired egret]

it's Fell Cleave time

[stray forge]

Always be clippy

[tired egret]

Hear, Feel,Fell Cleave

[fierce matrix]

i fucking hate PF lmao

who the fuck is doing TN second stardust

I am not keeping track of north while I just spun around the whole arena and then having to bait puddles south just to go to my spot when you can do the exact same movement as the first one

like this just exists

[jolly flume]

pf and their unexplainable obsession with doing everything true north during a mechanic where the boss moves around and you are following it

[stray forge]

True East better

[tired egret]

true northeast

[clear plume]

I think pf should swap to doing every scythe true North, thoughts?

[stray forge]

if you can't do scythe true north are you really a gamer

[west zephyr]

Which fight again? M11?

[stray forge]

Twa

Yes

[fierce matrix]

yes

[stray forge]

For the spreads that happen after Void Stardust

[fierce matrix]

bro is like

"Skill issue"

[west zephyr]

Oh, that

[fierce matrix]

like bro no sorry you are doing some convoluted stuff

[stray forge]

and I hate it

[west zephyr]

Why would you do it TN right

[stray forge]

its like

[fierce matrix]

i have no idea

[stray forge]

the one reason why I am thankful for my static

[fierce matrix]

I just left that party

[west zephyr]

Considering also 80% of the time you end up free styling it

[stray forge]

you kinda just learn everyones preferences during that

and it works out

I usually just stand still tbh 🤫

[jolly flume]

wait true

[finite plank]

i do ffa stardust

[loud nymph]

so were they crashing out because someone was in "their spot" and it killed both of them or what

because TN stardust 2 sounds hilariously dumb

[random needle]

FFA stardust seems easy as long as people aren't lobotomized

[finite plank]

i genuinely have no consistency with stardust besides just use eyes

[loud nymph]

It's good to try to do the 2nd baits together if you can but realistically everyone is all over the place there anyway

so you really just gotta use eyes

And press true north

[kind elm]

mb i was a housewife with depression in the 1940s

[random needle]

And if you know the second one is gonna be stack, keep the middle of the arena clear for the last puddle

[loud nymph]

back in the 90s, was your grandson in a very famous tv show

[stray forge]

the baits are pretty easy to do together

[kind elm]

tbh that ones slightly less important since you have a billion years to resolve it and it barely hurts but yes

[random needle]

It's not that important overall, but it's basically free

[kind elm]

oh yah

but pf is pf

[random needle]

... Man, I wasn't able to prog m11 this week at all

[kind elm]

shoutout to the samurai i had not 4 hours ago that rotated the wrong way around the boss for 2nd stardust

and gave us all DDs

[stray forge]

prog

[kind elm]

did this twice

[stray forge]

I did like 100 pulls and went from 20% to 10% enrage

[kind elm]

first time i was like "oh bro goofed haha"

[random needle]

Surely tomorrow I can get fast reclears in m9 and m10 instead of being trapped on Tuesday, then getting the dumbest people alive in m10 for the rest of the week

[kind elm]

2nd time i was like "oh bro is stupid."

[kind elm]

its ok youre an epic gamer

you win those

[random needle]

I was crashing out when we died to damage/not reading castbars twice in a row on alley oop combo on runs that would have absolutely cleared

[rain geode]

It alright Im also crashing out

[loud nymph]

honestly if PFs were wiping to alley oop combo especially if they got there clean

a crash out is warranted and valid

[random needle]

Just start moving to your clock spot after IA2 resolves, oh my god

[loud nymph]

how tf you make it through arena split and snaking only to die to what is basically a normal mechanic

smh

[kind elm]

we cleared akuma in 10 in 5 pulls today which was rly funny

first pull we made it past snaking by just piloting his ass through vc

we also put him in baby jail for aireal

[random needle]

I did the prog lying of the century in m10 last week, I think my first pull was marked as an arena split party

[rain geode]

I think my biggest crash out so far is the reclear party that I had wipe to flame floater twice in a row

[random needle]

We still got there in like 2 pulls

[kind elm]

my HERO

thsi is why ur my goat

[zealous meteor]

sapph is a fucking liar.....

[loud nymph]

when I prog lie in the ring

[random needle]

I mean

I was clearly ready for arena split parties

[kind elm]

sapph is about to overtake me in the tier after like a week

why is she so goated

[random needle]

So was I really lying?

[dapper zealot]

Sapphire, more like sapphliar

[kind elm]

more like sapphfire

cuz shes fire

🔥

[zealous meteor]

hey sapph do you wanna corpse drag me through ultimate

because you're clearly goated

you can do it

[stray forge]

Corpse drag me through fru so I can tell people I’m goated

[random needle]

You're clearing UCoB TONIGHT

[zealous meteor]

[dapper zealot]

Corpse drag me through cosmic

[zealous meteor]

i haven't even UNLOCKED ucob

[stray forge]

I haven’t unlocked any of them

Corpse drag me through unlock speedrun

[robust shoal]

UwU

[dapper zealot]

Corpse drag me kugane tower

[kind elm]

hi cats

ur cute

@random needle when you clear TOP ping me to give me motivation to go clear it myself

[zealous meteor]

i didn't know you liked miqo'te

[vestal hollow]

cats is universally cute

[zealous meteor]

i don't think that's possible

[kind elm]

i do

i also think cats is really cute his wol is adorable

and hes also goated

and very kind

[zealous meteor]

i thought you only liked roes

[vestal hollow]

i also just like cats yea lol

hes so chill

[kind elm]

hes just a cool guy

[zealous meteor]

actually. we're talking about multiple cats so it should be they

[vestal hollow]

totally not a bunch of cats in a trenchcoat

[kind elm]

mhm

[robust shoal]

[vestal hollow]

[robust shoal]

:3

I love my little gremlin

[zealous meteor]

what does your wol look like

[random needle]

I finally found a NIN weapon I like... but leveling NIN is gonna be a pain in the arse with all the ARR duties in leveling recently

[vestal hollow]

wait

are u the 2.46 guy

[stray forge]

Oh I use those too!

[low hearth]

Yo !

They can lowkey keep that Beatrix glam

😴

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/ffix-beatrix-video-game-general-gif-19739369

likely sell well for boob window

[robust shoal]

my legacy

I actually want to try 2.46 in HW, wonder how it lines up with stuff

I assume it has more than like 0.1s of leeway in 11 like 2.50

[loud nymph]

honestly it looks pretty good on male characters too

[random needle]

I haven't played 9 so I'm kinda neutral on it

[boreal pumice]

cant say ive seen that since they know majority play female characters

[kind elm]

im so used to cats being Wicked Thunder that my brain takes a second to realize its cats

[loud nymph]

play 9

it's the goat

[zealous meteor]

cats is wicked thunder?
damn. congrats on being able to voice her then. must have taken a lot of voice training

[random needle]

I need to finish 7... and 10... and 13...

[zealous meteor]

i need to finish 4 and 11 and 12 and 15

and 6 but i yarred that one

[versed kayak]

same

[boreal pumice]

alot of ppl played 9 because of DT

[loud nymph]

and 9

[versed kayak]

not sure if I've ever saw cats main until now

[zealous meteor]

oh yeah i own that one too

[boreal pumice]

same tbh

[robust shoal]

das me

[zealous meteor]

why is she so big

or rather why are you so big

[robust shoal]

Electrope has many uses

[vestal hollow]

[random needle]

... On the subject of DT making people replay 9, that made me think that I was kinda frustrated by how post-DT trials have all been FF9 references (or Doomtrain) instead of original concepts

Then I thought about it again and realized... they've been doing that for a long time already, with the post-expac trials

[robust shoal]

also funni battle log bug

[kind elm]

you showing me this was like the biggest mindfuck

im still in shock

that they categorize by name

and not by like entity ID

[vestal hollow]

you hit you

[robust shoal]

it's very funny

[kind elm]

small indie company

[clear plume]

Wait until you hear why you can’t cross world go to weddings

[vestal hollow]

i cant believe lhw was 2 years ago

[zealous meteor]

it's 1.5 years ago

[clear plume]

(Those invitations are also just actual character name based)

[kind elm]

oh my fucking god

[zealous meteor]

stop hitting yourself

[kind elm]

youre telling me some of my oomfies couldnt come to my wedding because SE cant code

[versed kayak]

afaik they had to change some cast names so you couldn't learn blue mage spells from enemies they didn't intend

idk why they'd make that string based either

[random needle]

[jolly flume]

fflogs does a better job with actor ids than the company that made the game

truly incredible

[kind elm]

this is why runescape is superior

they would only do reasonable bugs like placing the strongest bow in the game on the ground with a 60s respawn timer outside the farming guild in an update

[pine holly]

Technically Doom Train is an 8 fight but the point stands

[rain geode]

2 pull light party is crazy

[pine holly]

Wait I cant read

Ignore

[random needle]

Hence why I said (or Doomtrain) since it kinda broke the pattern

And even then, it has the FF9 boss theme

[jolly flume]

waugh, the flatcar!

[kind elm]

STOP. DOING THAT!

[valid solar]

Hit it harder

[random needle]

But like

Heavensward trials series? Warring Triad, FF6
Stormblood? Four Lords, has analogues in FF11
Shadowbringers? Weapons trials, like in FF7, and the Warrior of Light is FF1
Endwalker? Everything is FF4 references

[zealous meteor]

if this game got to drop an f bomb one time. it should be in this line
"FUCK, THE FLATCAR!"

[pine holly]

Is Four Lords a reference?

I didn't play 11

[valid solar]

It's a reference to bad writing /s

[zealous meteor]

tenzen is based on the 11 character afaik

"based" no this is literally just tenzen ffxi

[versed kayak]

'tis I

[zealous meteor]

this is seiryu though

[clear plume]

Short is they’re literal like the equivalent of fate mob bosses in 11 nothing like a trial series

[random needle]

This was mostly just to ease my worries in fairness, because it felt weird that everything was a direct FF9 reference until I stepped back and remembered "wait, they've been doing this for a while"

Plus Arcadion has been all original concepts so that's poggerinos

[zealous meteor]

tyrant is just a rehash of the behemoth in labyrinth of the ancients

[wicked delta]

im watching a rinon stream rn

[zealous meteor]

🥱

[wicked delta]

whole party cooked bro

no dance partner

rdm using 745 ilvl weapon

[zealous meteor]

mb

[wicked delta]

dance partner is merely a suggestion

[stray forge]

Square enix entire company of vibe coders

[mossy eagle]

My b I wanted to use the tomes for my alt role

[wicked delta]

I dashed off the edge in EX2 and I didn’t play dancer for like 4 months

[stray forge]

Usually it has to do with acid or shrooms 🥀

[jolly flume]

happy ranked m3s above last place

[random needle]

Which was his last place again? m2?

[jolly flume]

yes

[wicked delta]

Id rank BB above Honey B too

That shit was kinda ass

[jolly flume]

he put it above all the first floors

[wicked delta]

Oh

Nevermind kill him

[valid solar]

my first tier ranking is probably 4 > 3 > 1 > 2

[jolly flume]

and I quote, "the damage for this encounter was really really serious"

the partner stacks that didn't even kill you solo with 10%:

[valid solar]

business opportunity for u chiyo

[wicked delta]

Watch Spice n Wolf

[jolly flume]

honestly true

[random needle]

His gear was broken for every m3 clear and he didn't notice, sorgy

[limpid edge]

how do controller only players do idyllic? I imagine trying to press macros are a pain

[wicked delta]

I think in some of the LHW savages I had to make an active effort to die lol

[wicked delta]

They remember the mechanic

With their brain

[limpid edge]

remembering!? impossibl

[wicked delta]

[valid solar]

pen and paper and tape it on the wall next to your screen

[jolly flume]

I mean cmon bruh

this shit took us less pulls than dancing green

[wicked delta]

Dancing Green is too hard

[random needle]

There is the command panel at least, and wtfdig has a mobile-friendly tool for it now too

[wicked delta]

Doing arcady on high ping is unironically kinda monkas

[valid solar]

im going to abu dhabi does anyone want anything

[valid solar]

m5 had disgusting snapshots, it really was a pita to deal with

[stray forge]

mmm pita

yummy

[valid solar]

but you did get to do funny things like moving into a cleave before it went off and not getting hit

[random needle]

The worst looking snapshots I've seen in this tier looks like... uh... the thing with the grid in m11

I can't remember the name

[valid solar]

I get to do that on orbital

[random needle]

Orbital Omen?

[valid solar]

lorbital lomen

[limpid edge]

also how often do players in PF macro in chat for the party for idyllic?

[stray forge]

ive perfected my orbital dodge

simply

move a second before it actually happens

[valid solar]

if I can dodge orbital at 300 ping anyone who complains about it is automatically wrong

[random needle]

Hopefully I can actually prog m11 this coming week instead of being late to PF and stuck in m10

[limpid edge]

orbital for me is move immediately after castbar, half a gcd move back

[valid solar]

for me its move before cast ends, immediately move back

[limpid edge]

tho you can prob move very slightly before castbar since you wont be at the very edge

[valid solar]

if you looked at my screen you'd see my character visually getting hit by the line aoes

but it doesnt actually count

[jolly flume]

visuals have never been accurate in this game

idk why it's suddenly a shock in orbital just because they go off faster

[limpid edge]

the netcode cant support accurate visuals

mobile version when?
i still want to play it

[valid solar]

apparently its not doing so well

[limpid edge]

i think they forgot about the mobile version in global

[valid solar]

rumors are saying possible shutdown

[limpid edge]

damn

it was looking good

[jolly flume]

what if they put the same amount of effort into desktop xiv

[worn bluff]

it’s hard for me to describe orbital timing beyond “it’s like those typical FF14 snapshots”

[pine holly]

I can't imagine there was too much of a market for it

[limpid edge]

devs looks like they spent a good amoutn of time remaking FF14 w/ lots of QoLs

[jolly flume]

wheres my 4k hair

[random needle]

And yeah, I know that Orbital is the usual snapshot chicanery, it just surprises me exactly how fast it is

[pine holly]

What always got me in m11 is the weapons, cause they line up with the animations. Sometimes I would move in on axe during prog because I thought the snapshot was done and I could move while he was slamming the axe. I could not.

[worn bluff]

it’s mostly because the 2-1-2 dodge has you do 2 such dodges right after each other

[random needle]

And since I'm a squishy soft caster, if I mess up even a little bit,

[worn bluff]

but you can also do the dodge normally if that’s better for you

[valid solar]

we need to popularize the orbital mario kart dodge

[worn bluff]

[jolly flume]

I think we should just spreadlo and take 8 damage downs and clear anyway

[valid solar]

braindead orbital

[random needle]

Pacman orbital

[worn bluff]

M12 rep 2 is like a half mario kart

like you forgot something at home and have to turn around

[random needle]

... Now that I think about it, why is it called pacman arena split?

[stray forge]

orbital cheese ez

tank lb3

[valid solar]

because the aoes become the shape of pacman

[jolly flume]

the shape you make with the proteans looks like pacman

[worn bluff]

it’s a cheese wheel

[valid solar]

"erm actually its not pacman its a cheese hweel with a slice taken out"

[random needle]

That's still the most deeply unserious solve I've seen in a while

[valid solar]

explode

[worn bluff]

i can't believe you hate me

[valid solar]

that is not one cute coil

[worn bluff]

i saw that edit

[jolly flume]

https://raidplan.io/plan/BDmXOYCXF2ILWY7s

[random needle]

Like, in my (somewhat tainted) experience in PF, healers already struggle to heal arena split the intended way because they can't press buttons

Now we're giving 4 people a dot on top of everything else

[jolly flume]

for what it's worth

I think pacman makes healing arena split easier ngl

probably not for average pf dude because they just refuse to press gcds

but the only difficult part of arena split is healranging

[limpid edge]

i distinctly remember someone recommending this when i was proggin bonds 3

[random needle]

... Right, if you have people with intact brainstems, it's a lot easier to get everyone else at once

[limpid edge]

we didnt do it but we just disbanded instead

my week 20 bonds 3 prog

[random needle]

Meanwhile, as a caster in the normal strat, I'm stuck at the literal opposite end of the arena from both healers, especially if I'm on the far side

[valid solar]

I once died to the protean because I was left at 100k for a solid 15 seconds because "you were on the other side of the arena"

this was said by the healer on the same side of the arena as me

[worn bluff]

that's the neat part. people sometimes did this on their own anyways

[jolly flume]

I mean they literally are on the other side of the arena

[random needle]

I should keep manaward ready for that

[jolly flume]

look at the raidplan position

theyre the same distance away from you as the other healer

now that's fixable with good tool usage but

they weren't technically wrong

[worn bluff]

my favorite part of bonds 3 was if one person died then everyone just immediately ran away from the stack person

[limpid edge]

those wings scary!

[valid solar]

which fight is bonds 3 from

[jolly flume]

pee ten ess

[worn bluff]

don't say it

you'll summon him

[jolly flume]

😭

[random needle]

... I just got around to looking at this, what the fuck

[valid solar]

[jolly flume]

the debuffs are 2/4 enums

[random needle]

[wicked delta]

Dont say it don’t think it

[jolly flume]

for context

[torn mesa]

so Chiyo

when are we doing Uptime Idyllic

it's so free in PF, me and Bapple did it

[jolly flume]

whenever you can convince the rest of the static to