endgame-lounge

[wicked delta]

https://tenor.com/view/consider-the-following-rabbit-bunny-pet-gif-26758967

[round burrow]

Understandable

[proper cave]

Tldr, he got called out for being severely unprepared for savage raids and wouldn’t take anyone’s advice so he just ran away.

[stray forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/951972847675387990/1432177960911245322/Honeycam_2025-09-21_00-15-33.gif

[craggy marsh]

oh that person

zane was a weird guy

[rain geode]

god I hate weekly loot so much, God I hate reclears.

[stray forge]

Hate

[trim frost]

i am hearing about the split shenanigans

[rain geode]

🎯

[slender lichen]

he was more than just weird he was like the quintessential job skipper who doesnt know how to play the game and is also an asshole

[versed kayak]

you can scroll up a bit, theres message links

[craggy marsh]

didn't he call people assholes for just trying to give advice

[slender lichen]

yes

and then reported anyone who was mean to him

[craggy marsh]

fragile people and XIV are amazing man

[loud nymph]

wait he's doing tea now?!

[craggy marsh]

dunno what it is about this game that attracts the most fragile people on the planet

[slender lichen]

i think he's just a specimen

considering his gaming history

[rain geode]

The short answer is its not this game its just people in general

[random needle]

He was not the first

He will not be the last

[stray forge]

I will be the last

[random needle]

There is nothing new under the sun

[versed kayak]

nah he already bought the clear for that :D

[craggy marsh]

honestly probably right but it's just weird

[zealous meteor]

no! he's cleared tea!

and top!

[rain geode]

I play a lot of differnt games in a lot of differnt genre's everyone is soft

[versed kayak]

also just checked and apparently he did less damage in current savage than people did in M1S lul

[trim frost]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/912758028716089366/1084976473653391390/346C8437-6D9F-4C21-BC76-E2C36A83A6E3.gif

[zealous meteor]

whoa genshin impact reference

[slender lichen]

he was doing endwalker numbers

[rain geode]

and myself to aparently with how hard Im crashing out

[slender lichen]

less than endwalker numbers bc i remember doing like 14k when they did the stat crunch

[versed kayak]

13k is apparently what some dps do in TOP in 7.4, so thats pretty bad

[loud nymph]

wow! Such a fast prog I am sure there is nothing suspicious about how quickly he got through the hardest utlimate in the game as a brand new player

[stray forge]

top is easyclap

tbqh

[rain geode]

Oh I didnt know that zane guy bought clears I know he was something but man thats lame

[round burrow]

What about fru? Just curious

[versed kayak]

just tea and top

[marsh raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ-SlrIyVOk

[random needle]

... Dis he actually buy clears or

[versed kayak]

I wouldnt even be surprised if he just bought the accounts and they just happened to have those cleared tbh

[jolly flume]

progging an ultimate = 30 hours
buying an ultimate = 2 hours of working at mcdonalds

I know which one I'm doing

[round burrow]

Did man buy his clears 👀

[slender lichen]

theres something deeply funny about trying to pass off your top clear as legit and then asking shit like what infuriate does

[versed kayak]

I mean his tomestone showed them as cleared

and he definitely doesnt have the skill

so...

[clear plume]

wouldnt have needed the arr skip if this is the case

[round burrow]

How does that shit even work

[random needle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925940086212816916/1078563598021967963/251AF7DB-6BAA-41DA-9D4B-1F896544E3E9.gif

[versed kayak]

oh duh, you're right

[craggy marsh]

The people who are extremely soft fascinate me bc I genuinely want to know what their daily life is like

[jolly flume]

to be fair

[rain geode]

People are like MCH is bad but like honestly like 90% of the MCH I run into in PF play better then everyone else

[craggy marsh]

do they have melt downs in supermarkets

I must know

[versed kayak]

he also claimed to have cleared an ultimate in the balance so

[jolly flume]

you could easily clear top without ever pressing infuriate now

[slender lichen]

i want to know how he managed to play league of legends if he's like this in baby mode ff14 weeaboo game

[versed kayak]

probably yeah

[random needle]

If you're playing MCH in PF, it's because you truly love the job and do it in spite of the opps

[versed kayak]

I really wanna see people like that go through their daily life

[round burrow]

Zane reminds me of uhh the current drama going on with a twitch streamer

[random needle]

If you're playing DNC, it's way more likely that you're pranged out of obligation

[worn bluff]

there’s new gnashing opti but mentors said it’s optional and you can play it like pre 7.4 if you want

[rain geode]

Meanwhile Ive never met a monk who can do mechanics.

[round burrow]

-# if y'all know, y'all know

[craggy marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-blight-batman-beyond-funny-narrow-it-down-gif-25176406

[random needle]

I forgot to press SSS, sorgy

[round burrow]

its zaza and cece?

And some other girl

[craggy marsh]

Ooooooh

[round burrow]

I forgor

[rain geode]

anyway Im gonna take a shower to hopefully wash off the bad PF luck then its back to reclear attempts

[slender lichen]

imagine naming yourself zaza

[round burrow]

You know what im talking about?

[round burrow]

Yeah no girlie named herself zazastacks or something

[rain geode]

no

[loud nymph]

This is amazing btw

[round burrow]

i don't RRR

Remember*

[loud nymph]

I am here for Hector's shitposting era

[craggy marsh]

Tfw I use the humble panic attack as a defence

[round burrow]

So true

-# but why tho

-# ???

[craggy marsh]

that drama is so funny man

[round burrow]

Play stupid, get stupid outcomes lmaoo

[craggy marsh]

tfw you're trying to play to win in a tournament where money is on the line and you get called out for "ruining vibes" by wanting to win

[tulip wraith]

if he didnt send proof of him buying all the story and jobs skips id believe it

[craggy marsh]

also it's super impressive to go 0/5/0 in Rivals

[tulip wraith]

nvm i read 2 messages down

ggs

[craggy marsh]

a game where breathing on the enemy gets you an assist

[stray forge]

U?

[worn bluff]

opti parties unironically like this sometimes minus the DD part

“bad pattern go again”

[dull drum]

yeah i didnt bother to do new gnashing opti

unless im subconciously doing it somehow (doubt it)

[stray forge]

Hello world? That was in freshman level compsci tho

[jolly flume]

gnashing opti is so miniscule

just crit an extra auto

[trim frost]

i thought you said genshin opti

[jolly flume]

im not 15 enough to play that game

[dull drum]

apparently my crit on lindwurm was kinda nuts

[clear plume]

genshin opti is stealing ur moms credit card

[dull drum]

propelled my parse like a rocket ship

[trim frost]

it was peak back in 2020 because china number one

then it became kinda ass

[dull drum]

i’ll send the log one sec

[dull drum]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/a:QYC1Ajw8hD362dRT

[stray forge]

I haven’t logged into any gacha for like 6 days

[dull drum]

crit luck or what m12 p1

[stray forge]

Rip my monthly passes

[craggy marsh]

I dont hate genshin but I do hate how everyone wants to copy the artstyle now

Tired of the genshin artsyle

[jolly flume]

genshin doesn't even look good

[craggy marsh]

Genshin where every female character has the same body type and model

[jolly flume]

like yeah it's kinda cute but the characters

🤮

[craggy marsh]

Who was that one character that people were calling a "Beefcake" before he came out

[dull drum]

ffxiv where most of the male population is a female miqote

[craggy marsh]

And then in game he has 2 abs

[dull drum]

[craggy marsh]

Apparently 2 abs is a "beefcake"

[dull drum]

itto?

the oni dude right

[trim frost]

genshin has no muscular characters

just a lot of malnourished teenage boys

[jolly flume]

itto has noodles for arms

[craggy marsh]

Sounds familiar

Why the fuck did people call him a beefcake

Genshin characters look malnourished

[stray forge]

Who’s a beef cake in any Chinese gacha game

[jolly flume]

da pan from arknights

[craggy marsh]

Wuwa has a few male characters who have some level of muscles

But not beefcake levels

[jolly flume]

https://endfield.gg/wp-content/uploads/sites/38/2025/11/enfield-da-pan.webp

my goat

[trim frost]

pompey from zzz but hes not playable 😔

[jolly flume]

it's all muscle trust me

[remote gate]

hector if youre reading this, today's video was created with large amounts of spite and I need to know why

[stray forge]

That just Ben

[craggy marsh]

Considering he's a bear yeah

[tulip wraith]

da pan my goat

[craggy marsh]

Thats all muscle

[stray forge]

https://tenor.com/view/zenless-zone-zero-zzz-ben-bigger-ben-walk-gif-380483446574232891

[tulip wraith]

(i have not used him once)

[remote gate]

also hi mango how's your savage experience

[dull drum]

people laugh but m1s was more of a menace in pf than m4s

[craggy marsh]

Long live the king

[dull drum]

boss relative vs true north gang wars

[jolly flume]

?????

[tulip wraith]

oh my god i just remembered i uncapped characters not part of my main team cause im fucking stupid

[remote gate]

hard stuck m11s 🥀

[tulip wraith]

krill me

[jolly flume]

did you like flipping a coin to wipe to sunrise every pull

[dull drum]

nah my premade was goated like that

we cooked

[jolly flume]

the easiest mechanic no one could do

[proper cave]

https://tenor.com/view/manato-zzz-bounce-chest-gif-8280324972420029396

[jolly flume]

uptime sunrise

[dull drum]

gotta stack the pf with a chunk of compotent people

the true pf way to win

[proper cave]

He, like, really gets his face down there

[trim frost]

just this guy being playable would have gotten me into the game but no they had to spoilers spoilers spoilers so now i dont care anymore

[stray forge]

Twink x thiren

[tulip wraith]

id say hes up there

[random needle]

Von Lycaon is nice but it'd take a hell of a lot more than that to get me into a gacha

[craggy marsh]

Ill get into gacha when it's no longer a gacha

[dull drum]

just had a crazy thought

what if hiding your logs is like mana suppression in frieren

[stray forge]

keep drinking that jamba juice

[normal summit]

No spite. Been working hard on the phase 2 guides. Felt like a shitpost.

[round burrow]

@random needle there's another one but idk

[random needle]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[round burrow]

Aka this dude

[random needle]

... A Miqo'te with long hair?

[round burrow]

nah, Thiren

[trim frost]

and what if i said long haired men are violently mid

[round burrow]

and that's totally okay

[tulip wraith]

[round burrow]

I just happen to like long haired guys :]

[rain geode]

me?

[random needle]

... So the guys are all full anthros, and the girls are women with animal ears

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-sleep-gif-12073235593935901891

[round burrow]

mostly.

you do have lighter butttt... That's different.

[versed kayak]

theres pulchra I guess

[proper cave]

Labubu too

[worn bluff]

nah you basically have to do nothing outside of burst and start a gnashing a little before NM

[remote gate]

so fucking peak thank you for your input

[versed kayak]

tbh theres not that many full anthro chars either, NPC or otherwise

its mostly the bears, one orangutan and a boar

[dapper zealot]

Jumping on the witch doctor bandwagon

[low hearth]

The hardest mechanic

https://tenor.com/view/alexander-the-epic-of-alexander-ffxiv-wakanda-raid-static-gif-17711635072375537431

[flint ledge]

ig im half done

[trim frost]

🌳?

[dapper zealot]

Yes

[round burrow]

I like her trailer..? Her showcase? Whatever you call that music video

[stray forge]

this one brought out some true creatures on the internet

[proper cave]

Ye lol

[versed kayak]

her EP I guess

the char "demo" is the one where she murders somebody, I think

[versed kayak]

post burnice they're barely demos anymore lol, you dont even see their skills

[normal blade]

Ya;;

yall

hector just dropped a guide for the hardest mechanic in ffxiv history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ-SlrIyVOk

(Important)

[trim frost]

i started a new world with some friends who haven't played before

the rat transformation is kinda goated for early game

@cinder nimbus oops i forwarded it to the wrong channel

i didnt find it that helpful bc im using relic main hands and not gold thumb penta but maybe you can get use out of it

[cinder nimbus]

not sure what is gold thumb, but i do have a penta crafted so i guess

[dapper zealot]

I played it for a while with friends. Jumping immediately into expert first time was an experience

[cinder nimbus]

oh

i've been ignoring the name all this time

it is called gold thumb

[trim frost]

screaming crying after spending two hours in the underground jungle

[dapper zealot]

I kept dying so much at the start

I cheesed the fuck with yoyo

[rain geode]

Terraria is awesome

[dull drum]

terraria is an awesome game

yeah

[rain geode]

I should be playing that instead

[dull drum]

although i usually play calamity max difficulty cause im a masochist

i love getting 1-2 shot

the content in calamity is fucking absurd though

[dapper zealot]

Only played though it once tho

[rain geode]

Yeah mods dont actually have to consider the idea that people need to be able to beat it so they just crank that shit like crazy

[dull drum]

its doable you just gotta lock tf in

[stray forge]

I should be playing

[rain geode]

for sure

[stray forge]

wait what

[dull drum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgLahg0wkGs

[stray forge]

what are the mods cranking?

[dull drum]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-music-vicsgif-gif-19588767

[rain geode]

The difficulty

[dull drum]

difficulty + crap load of content

[dapper zealot]

https://youtu.be/tdyRdlCqQEU?si=CyGC5iwgBQ6EpS_M

[rain geode]

Maybe Ill finally do Calamity mod friends been bothering me to do it for awhile

and I need to do anything but M10S reclears

[dull drum]

this ones fire too

[stray forge]

2 liters quit pf arc

[rain geode]

Honestly maybe

tho Id probably just quit XIV at that point I can barely open the game with feeling Anxiety around my Reclears lol

[dapper zealot]

Start your island sanc arc and lose your mind even more :)

[rain geode]

I got the booty shorts Im never going back

Ill probably feel more motivated if I get my reclear then again then I need to reclear again soon anyway

[stray forge]

post selfie in booty shorts

[tepid briar]

so real

[rain geode]

Man I would really miss the dress up if I unsubbed

[trim frost]

https://youtu.be/cZ4Q2WLmUII?si=Q1ucbHN-KHz3eC34 i fw the astral infection heavy

[clear plume]

@jolly flume when is ur group done with splits 12s has no regen healers in reclears bro

[torn mesa]

we're done Monday 🙂, and we currently intend to split for 8 weeks

[clear plume]

ew

[trim frost]

hmm

[stray forge]

[rain geode]

Ill be whatever someone wants me to be to be done with this stupid reclear

Shut up, I just want this reclear.

770 is considered the bare minimum to start to get into savage but youll probably want to start with the most recent ex

oh he deleted his comment

I just dont get how your supposed to prog the later fights when reclears of the earlier fight eat up so much time

[low hearth]

mb

[dull drum]

i mean you could always just straight up skip

up to you if you want to sac all potential loot though

[limpid edge]

everything BYURNS

[sick dirge]

everything birds

[stray forge]

everything purrs

[worn bluff]

yeah it's common for some people to start skipping straight to 3rd/4th floor after a while

esp if they don't have alt jobs they need to gear

[stray forge]

I can’t wait to prog tyrant twice

[shadow pilot]

tyrant

[limpid edge]

hector with a surprise video

[limpid edge]

light it up!

[fierce matrix]

[limpid edge]

what that red pyramid

[dapper zealot]

a red pyramid

the new records in cosmic for treasure

[fierce matrix]

LETS FUCKING GO

I GOT 2

[midnight furnace]

Finally completed the Demiatma Grind

Now im in the Aetherwell Grind

It feels like i might complete this one in 11 days as long as i do the daily roulette

[flint ledge]

then youll be in the paste grind :D

[midnight furnace]

What is the Glu- ER Paste grind about

[flint ledge]

the existence of the crystal tower will make you feel otherwise

[flint ledge]

spamming a fuck ton of leveling roulette

[midnight furnace]

Well its only 1 crystal tower per day its all good

[midnight furnace]

Welp

Cant even Unsync eh

Actually question

Can i unsync those

[flint ledge]

you have to use the roulette

or u dont get shit

[loud nymph]

you can't unsync a roulette, no

would sorta defeat the purpose of a roulette

[midnight furnace]

Ah true

[flint ledge]

i havent pulled ifrit in 5 hours

[midnight furnace]

Forgot about that

Dumbo moment

[flint ledge]

and i havent pulled titan or garuda all day

[loud nymph]

I got ifrit earlier was pretty nice

quick in and out 20 paste

[daring pine]

kinger spotted

[midnight furnace]

Well the great part is i can use these to put the last 7 jobs missing to 100

[loud nymph]

hi

[daring pine]

just woke up

[flint ledge]

fr

[midnight furnace]

How much paste needed

[flint ledge]

i got like 5 iftis

[flint ledge]

1200

[loud nymph]

1200 overall

[midnight furnace]

Well shiet

[flint ledge]

which is 60 leveling roulettes

:D

[midnight furnace]

At least its only once

[loud nymph]

100 then 200 then 300 then 600

or you can just amass it all at once

doesn't matter

[flint ledge]

i think i did uh

43? roulettes

[midnight furnace]

Wish i could be getting paste in advance while im doing my aetherwell grind

But that would be cheating

[flint ledge]

wouldnt really do much

cuz theyre seperate roulettes

[loud nymph]

I'm only at like 140 paste because I'm taking it nice and slow

[midnight furnace]

Oh so its only on levelling roulette huh

[flint ledge]

other stuff

[midnight furnace]

Not even on the South Horn

[loud nymph]

leveling, expert, and level cap duties

[dapper zealot]

levelling is just quicker

[loud nymph]

and stuff outside of that too

[flint ledge]

but i dont think anything crosses over except for m9-12

so you really wouldnt get much paste

[midnight furnace]

Well when i reach it ill see if its that bad

[loud nymph]

like Heavyweight raids, ex clears, OC CEs

etc

[flint ledge]

its not bad at all

[dapper zealot]

It's fine

[flint ledge]

just ilvl cheese leveling roulette

[midnight furnace]

Im not in a rush too much, at least i know i can get 1000 of the aetherwell daily for each

[flint ledge]

i mean

youll prob get 500 for alliance raid

[midnight furnace]

Well just my luck

[flint ledge]

unless u consistently are getting nier

[midnight furnace]

COPIED FACTORY

Well lets suffer

[flint ledge]

if u pull that every day yea 900+ a day

[loud nymph]

copied factory is good tho

hardly suffering

[midnight furnace]

It is but its long XD

[dapper zealot]

yes but you get more aether

[flint ledge]

and its not crystal tower

i dont wanna do more

cuz even if i finish tonight (i wont)

id then be missing tomes

[mossy eagle]

4 hours late to Hector's shitposting video

I have failed #HECTORNATION

[midnight furnace]

It was such a funny video

Brought me memories from when i joined my static

[low hearth]

#HECTORNATION

phase 2 guide tomorow

m12s might finally be clearable

[hot rose]

Y’all should I spend book 2’’s on gear or upgrade

Idc about better damage. Im tryn figure out the least amount of having to reclear

It’s hard to wrap your head around gear allocation

[trim frost]

what

[trim frost]

i mean you probably should

[hot rose]

I mean i do reclears with static and pumping tf outta dps

So I’m not worried about that

[trim frost]

unless you're lootmastering/staticking you probably don't really have control over what you'll get in reclears so just spend books on the cheapest item possible

[dapper zealot]

HE'S STIMULATING THE AUDIENCE

-# of their aether

[midnight furnace]

Ok so i have some questions to make

[trim frost]

oh holy shit

[midnight furnace]

Well i completed my daily Alliance and got 945 energy for the aetherwell

Such amount is only once per day right

[dapper zealot]

OH

it took me a while to realise

[dapper zealot]

bonus is only daily yes

[trim frost]

sure man

[dapper zealot]

what stage is this

[midnight furnace]

Ok so i guess i dont really have a need to rush

[midnight furnace]

The one that gives the first glow

[trim frost]

uhhhh

[midnight furnace]

Umbrae

[trim frost]

12

i guess 8->12 is back to back to back to back

[midnight furnace]

Another question, what is a good cheap food i can buy at the market board for dailies?

[trim frost]

this is an uwu weapon 😭

[midnight furnace]

Ah no im talking about mine sorry XD

Im doing the Phantom Relic

Miscommunication ensued

[dapper zealot]

why the fuck does it not show the stage in game

[trim frost]

i think there's a link to the webpage from in game

but yeah it's a little funny

[dapper zealot]

damn only on 5

[trim frost]

i think this might actually be stage 11 because there was some cleanup shit we did recently

[worn bluff]

how many glaze do you still need?

it's hard to predict, but if you're gearing one job and still need multiple glaze, then you might choose to spend books on glaze because winning a duplicate later is still useful to your main job

[limpid edge]

wheres' the hector guide for p2!?

[torn mesa]

tomorrow

[limpid edge]

is 3vj0 the standard raidplan for p2?

[rapid whale]

the tides are shifting in p2

more and more people leaning towards banana/uptime dn idyllic

[low hearth]

Yes

[mossy eagle]

poor hector gonna have to remake his guides that he's releasing tomorrow

[limpid edge]

new cosmic area sounds kinda silly

[midnight furnace]

So excited for this

I may not be at M12S yet but there is so much stuff about P2 that confuses me

Like i still dont really get how the clones dictate which mech you are

[jolly flume]

it's pretty simple honestly

there's two types of clones, player clones and boss clones

the boss clones have a mechanic telegraph, you can tether yourself to a boss clone to get the corresponding mechanic on yourself

your player clone will then repeat the mechanic that you had later on

that's literally it

[midnight furnace]

So like

If i understand this right

Our clone is like a deposit of a mech, it gets the mech of the tether of the boss we connect to

So if for example my clone is Southwest, i get a defamation mech, and the count begins South clockwise, my mechanic will go off the second?

[sleek moon]

are you asking specifically about idyllic?

because the second mechanic is also player clones and boss clones

[midnight furnace]

Mostly both clones overall

Cause i only saw it in video currently and havent experienced

But to start yeah we can go with the easier Mech number 2

[torn mesa]

the players clones and the boss clones spawn in their own order, independently

[worn bluff]

man i just finished studying the other rep 2 way

oh so banana codex has a completely different order of resolving.. interesting

clones go off with different timing but i guess you don't have to move the boss then

[sleek moon]

going by the raidplan (slide 5) https://raidplan.io/plan/SFa6J6wDrU9PlCJ4#5 you get stack, defam, cleave, boss or nothing (extra defam) from boss clone depending on your initial player clone, and because (for example) stack boss clones could both spawn NW/W we use snake prio to tell which person takes which stack tether, then we solve those mechanics ourselves as shown in the raidplan (defams+boss -> stack/cleave) then the clones will repeat those mechanics, with the caveat that we also have to stack with the 2 clones that have stack

seems 1 clone defamation + cleave goes off, then both clone stacks, then the other cleave+defamation

tbh this mechanic doesnt take long to understand, the first replication might take you a bit longer to identify where to go

the fire/dark debuff one

[midnight furnace]

Huh was checking it out

What an interesting mech

You know whats crazy is that the whole fight kinda revolves around the replication, the first mech gives a base of it and it just builds up from there

[sleek moon]

idyllic is also players do mechanics, then clones repeat it (so they make all the player clones in S/SW W NW grab defas) just players and clones will solve it differently

and then 2 other mechanics will happen simultaneously

like prep 1 mech, prep 2nd mecch, prep 3rd mech while mech 1 goes off, solve 2nd mech while boss preps 4th mech

and so

but i wouldnt read much on idyllic until you practice the first two replications and superchain

info overload for no gain

[midnight furnace]

Fair

Thanks for the info also!

[alpine plover]

[tired egret]

Someone really hates 'er eh?

[dapper zealot]

parallel Cats

[molten moon]

Is that the parser who tries to get rank 1 with the tone weapon

Lapin Gino or something?

[hot rose]

I Went from m12s p1 fresh to enrage today

Ezzzzzzz fight

But how is p2? Lol

[alpine plover]

Idylic memes...

[alpine plover]

[amber fable]

i hate it when boss moves 1mm and the fucking ogcd dont register

[finite plank]

me when the tyrant moves to the middle but it registers dwad and does a rollback on kunais bane fucking up my rotation

[dapper zealot]

I feel 2 is just straight up the best choice

[stray forge]

9

[wicked delta]

1

[finite plank]

all of them are fine

[wicked delta]

Im not sitting in 10 bruh

Theres some terrifying gay activity going on there

[dapper zealot]

You'll fit right in

[wicked delta]

Hell no

I dont wanna watch two dudes argue for 3 hours and then start making out aggressively

On a plane…

[dapper zealot]

5 I get behind as well

[wicked delta]

Hellllll no

G’raha yes but Zenos? Kill me man

8 hours next to the colonizer please just throw me out of the plane

[stray forge]

9 is just chill while others yap about weird shit

[alpine plover]

1

[wicked delta]

🤝

Lets sit together Tithus

[alpine plover]

Shure

But i have a question

Why does this plane have 2 rows/columns on a side and 3 on the other

[wicked delta]

Zenos ate the seats

[zealous meteor]

is this bakool ja ja before or after the msq

[amber fable]

before

[visual geyser]

There’s a lot of fine choices here I’m going 9

Honestly Zenos would be sleep the entire time and ass long as you don’t touch him he wouldn’t do shi

[dapper zealot]

Before would make it too easy

[zealous meteor]

pretty normal for small planes

but a small plane wouldn't be used for an 8 hour flight

[dapper zealot]

Good I would be too busy making out with graha

[daring pine]

dear fucking god

[zealous meteor]

yeah you would

[daring pine]

im so sick of getting meso terminal in expert

these stupid fucking dented healers

[zealous meteor]

mb

im new

[daring pine]

boss casts serial torture so now the floor dot is doing a metric fuck ton of damage

im sitting there fucking spamming vercure so i dont die

and then i end up dying anyway because this dumbass fucking scholar is jerking off in a corner

[stray forge]

listen i have needs okay

[daring pine]

i hate it here 💔

[zealous meteor]

shows signs of starting to dig

[stray forge]

Treasure maps?

[zealous meteor]

face with weird hands

[zealous meteor]

exactly

[stray forge]

what the fuck is happening this morning

the m11s groups are more clueless than usual despairge

🥹

[low hearth]

mb

[rapid whale]

mb imnew

[stray forge]

As a 7 day PF veteran, I enter this tier of PF with the understanding that I'll never clear M11S

[rapid whale]

are you clear ready or still progging

[rain geode]

mood

[rapid whale]

cuz ive been joining c41's

[stray forge]

I'm on enrage

[rapid whale]

open one up ill join

it'd ahve to be any chest tho

[rain geode]

I mean thats not true I assumed I would clear but pf buried that idea real quick

[stray forge]

im in one already :\

[rapid whale]

gg you hate me

[rain geode]

get destroyed

[rapid whale]

lets destroy him together bro

i mean ya you right

[rain geode]

Betcha never seen anything this gnarly

He says like I dont see it constantly

[rapid whale]

just pretend it's your first pull every time to feel like a god gamer

[daring pine]

oh boy

[rapid whale]

congrats

[rain geode]

True

[daring pine]

time for another dogshit relic step

🗣️

[rapid whale]

at least you can do everything and it lets you overcap

[zealous meteor]

hey so how difficult is TEA. zane cleared it so it can't be that hard right /s

[rapid whale]

often considered the 2nd easiest ultimate next to uwu

[low hearth]

Holy shit

https://youtu.be/Ey--4oQS6KI?si=7ixWiOYSOTaSV_I3

[rapid whale]

weau hector cleared?

[low hearth]

#HECTORNATION

[rapid whale]

congrats to hector

[low hearth]

M12s is finally clearable!

[daring pine]

those subhuman creatures in pf will make you think otherwise

[zealous meteor]

subhuman
waff?

[rapid whale]

don't call yourself that smh

jk

[daring pine]

i hate myself more than i hate pf

but still fuck pf

[rapid whale]

LMAO

oh noo

[rain geode]

PF cant even reclear M10S

[daring pine]

maybe if my static didnt explode in week 2 i would have cleared in 99 pulls instead of 100

[rapid whale]

holy fuck people going for 2 chest reclears this late into the week

[low hearth]

Dang idyllic prog was lowkey crazy

[rapid whale]

o u got it?

congrats pain

[low hearth]

Both defams going to the same fucking waymark

[zealous meteor]

yeah i can't believe people have j*bs

[rain geode]

Ive been going for 2 chest reclears all week actually

[zealous meteor]

and sch*ol

[rapid whale]

i mean

sunday is usually the final bus for book runs even

monday is full of desperation

[rain geode]

Dude Tuesday night is to late for this shit

[low hearth]

Gotta pull up Tuesday morning bro

[daring pine]

it's always too late

[rapid whale]

ya my best pf exp for reclears has been on reset lmao

[rain geode]

Its annoying because I think I like the fights but nobody in the world seems able to do them

[rapid whale]

i mean

its just a gacha at the end of the day

[rain geode]

Gacha with a time limit man weekly loot suuucks

[rapid whale]

ya

tbh considering you won all the 10 pieces last week im surprised you were insisting on 2 chest to the point you are at risk of losing a book

[rain geode]

Ive been just joining whatever chest is open people cant even do book runs

[rapid whale]

true

[low hearth]

M10s is hard

[rain geode]

Evidently

[rapid whale]

insert quote about how their world prog static didnt struggle at all and therefore the fight is easy

[rain geode]

I dunno about that but like theres only typically 2 variants you need to worry about and stuff always comes at specific times although in my experience the biggest thing is people just forget about steam during arena split

Its so hard to find a party that doesnt have 3+ players get hit by steam explosions before the pairs

[rapid whale]

dont forget the reaper screaming they died to dmg wh en really it was a steam explosion during that

[rain geode]

Which I can forgive once or twice the markers blend in a bit but like around the 4th time how are you still forgetting lmao

[worn bluff]

where’s that dude that said 100% of people should have a static and there shouldn’t be a single person in PF because his doctor friends can even find time for a static

[rapid whale]

lmao i wasnt there fo that one

[worn bluff]

i think he left the server

he was like “i don’t understand how anyone can say they don’t have the schedule for a static”

[jade mirage]

That's an odd take to have

[daring pine]

finding 7 other people that have schedules that work is harder than the actual raiding

[jade mirage]

Real af

[rain geode]

Not to mention not every job gives you a consistent schedule

[clear plume]

Idk I’ve raided in casual groups before and they definitely struggle more with raids than the scheduling

[rain geode]

Its always what ultimately drives me away from every mmo (besides OSRS)

[jade mirage]

Not to mention, in the same skill bracket, same goals, vibes good

[daring pine]

haha

vibes good

[clear plume]

I’ll quit the game before I stop being HC at this point

[daring pine]

haha..

[jade mirage]

[clear plume]

Nothing makes you hate people more than watching them fuck up a mechanic you understood months ago and them having too much of an ego to even ask for help because clear time doesn’t matter 🙂

[rain geode]

Im very confident In my ability to cclear the fight at this point maybe Ill try joining loot merc parties for my book and a little extra gil

[rapid whale]

idk ive seen it happen multiple times where ppl assume they r perfectly fine w/ clear whenever

seen it as ealy as lhw but

they quickly find out that is not reality and they do have a timeline/point they feel disappointed

[worn bluff]

tbh i’ve had better luck in clear parties than reclear parties on 10

[rain geode]

reclear parties are a complete mixed bag for 10 Last weeks Reclear we did 2 pulls

And the only reason the first pull failed was because some one crashed lmao

[rapid whale]

unlucky

[rain geode]

M9S is always a headache tho

[worn bluff]

one week i had like 3 reclear parties that memed and disbanded and then i joined an enrage party and it was 1-2 pull

[rapid whale]

m9s is almost always messy yea

inevitably melees killing each other during stomp

[worn bluff]

no one remembers 9 because it took most people 1 hour to clear so everyone is still fresh

[rain geode]

I think Im on my like 10th or 12th reclear party at this point

[clear plume]

See I tell my group clear time doesn’t matter, but it’s true, but also taking raid important matters to me, week 2 of a hard tier is fine and I’m not let down for that, but there is a big overlap between “clearing later than you should” and “just wasting people’s time with something you could have asked a dozen hours ago”

[zealous meteor]

not your sixth or seventh?

[rain geode]

I fucking wish

[rapid whale]

the way i've always heard it described as is : "A static only clears once the sloweset member is ready, and every static has a slowest member. If you think there isn't one, it's probably you"

[clear plume]

If I raided 6 hours a week I wouldn’t be upset with a week 4-6 clear even, but yeah.

[rain geode]

I mean thats just all prog pf or static no?

[stray forge]

aaaaand

[clear plume]

It’s about time spent on shit, and preparing for raid ahead of time

[rapid whale]

ya

[rain geode]

you can only ever get as far as your worse player

[stray forge]

we couldnt make it past split

:^)

[rapid whale]

gg

open an any chest ill come help

gonna brb tho

[worn bluff]

i raid with 1-2 other people for 12 and we’ve only gone in like 2-3 hours a week so it’ll be slow progging phase 2 but it’s fine

not in a rush

[low hearth]

You lowkey waited too long bro

[rain geode]

I was gonna say I get the feeling most the people who can clear have

[stray forge]

I have to wait for my static which hasn't cleared 10 yet

:^)

[low hearth]

Yeah like everyone with a pulse cleared week 1 or 2

I think the androids cleared week 3

[stray forge]

wouldnt androids play better than people with a pulse

they have those #xtreme reflexes

[rain geode]

Theres definitely some people who got unlucky but yeah theres not enough people left for you to be likely to find 8 people who can clear

[clear plume]

People will be clearing until the expansion launches

[rapid whale]

True

[clear plume]

There is no such thing as “too late to find 8 people who can clear”

[stray forge]

I lowkey dont know naming convention

would this be like a c41 anychest enrage to clear or what

[thin tartan]

i ask do you want mt or ot
they take mt
they cant mit adds 2 for some reason

[clear plume]

An incredibly high percentage of players who complain about pf being unable to clear I check their logs and they cause the wipe in over 1/8 of them themselves tbqh

[low hearth]

[clear plume]

Back when I was in ulti clear projects and stuff

Mfs will wipe 1/4 of the pulls but get mad at everybody else in the 8 person group for being inconsistent and them being clear ready

[stray forge]

I wiped our first pull

[rapid whale]

and then whatever strats you want

[loud nymph]

that one specimen in here the other day who was doing like 16k DPS on tank but somehow blamed other people for being unable to clear m9s

and figured pf would benefit from the addition of sbmm

[wicked delta]

Claims to have cleared TOP btw

[stray forge]

They are still in the same gear as they cleared TOP in

[rain geode]

How would that even like... work?

dumb question it wouldnt

[rapid whale]

mb

[midnight furnace]

So Hector posted the videos

[zealous meteor]

no that's a different guy

[midnight furnace]

Man its surprising how easier it gets to understand

Now i do have a doubt though

[zealous meteor]

16k DPS guy who cleared TEA and TOP is zane
skill based matchmaking guy is the grammy award winner™

[midnight furnace]

Do i go NA strat or Banana Codex

[thin tartan]

oh

hector out

[stray forge]

I genuinely

don't know how to make a PF I have zero brain

[normal summit]

If you’re a static, do banana codex rep 2..

[stray forge]

I hope this works

[normal summit]

But most of PF isn’t doing it

[midnight furnace]

Yeah i think my static will do Codex

[rain geode]

XIV needs to take a page out of OSRS book and make it if you do unimaginably bad damage in a clear it replaces your loot with poop

[midnight furnace]

But i will probably have to learn both strats

Man the more i see of M12S the more im amazed by the fight

[rapid whale]

which party is yours

[stray forge]

is this right

[midnight furnace]

Which is weird when i was a bit letdown when i saw the boss first time

[thin tartan]

ITS OVER

[stray forge]

[thin tartan]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WHY COULDNT BANANA REP2 BEEN THE STANDARD

[rapid whale]

set to duty complete if you want helpers instead of people trying to also clear

[normal summit]

You had 4 weeks to make it the standard

[midnight furnace]

Because PF doesnt do it seems

[thin tartan]

NAD PF IS FUCKING STUPID

[midnight furnace]

Well they are

Thats why we do not do Banana XD

[stray forge]

People would actually join this?

[normal summit]

Link the mini-guide and try to convince your group to do it

[rapid whale]

ya

[thin tartan]

atleast you made a second one for it

bless you for that

[stray forge]

ok its up

im so scared

[vast jacinth]

lmao

im happy im still in p1 i guess

[rapid whale]

u prob wanna fix the healer/dps slots

[valid solar]

am I reading this wrong or does this image not imply the banana rep 2 is the strat that both NA and EU use

[thin tartan]

this is so fucking funny

read the caption ubngo

[valid solar]

ah

gg

[stray forge]

I think I fixed it?

[vast jacinth]

while i wait might as well look at p2 guide

[rapid whale]

erm

[stray forge]

[rapid whale]

1 healer whm/ast, 2nd healer sge/sch, 1 melee slot, 1 prange slot, set to 1 job per person

[clear plume]

I think Hector should make a fourth guide with bob ross idyllic

[vast jacinth]

30min video about p2

[rapid whale]

could b longer if they went into the other strats

[vast jacinth]

see now that hector is out i dont need to worry anymore about pf changing strats

[valid solar]

isnt hector that guy who made braindead mouser, can he really be trusted with m12 strats

[vast jacinth]

every 2 buisness days

tbf its week 4? now

pf doesnt change strats unless someone finds a "brainded" strat again

[valid solar]

looks like someone has to take one for the team and make a pf post advertising braindead rep 2 and its just banana codex

[vast jacinth]

ngl would be funny

my pf is full

why

[valid solar]

strream for content pls

[stray forge]

I can't stream

theres no vc

:^)

[wicked delta]

https://tenor.com/view/hugh-morris-tomodachi-life-tomodachi-life-living-the-dream-gif-7581488225346977158

[stray forge]

is that you

[wicked delta]

No im not that attractive

[jolly flume]

I slept funny and now my neck feels like someone wrung it out like a towel

[wicked delta]

Yeah it was actually me strangling you in your sleep

I failed

But I’ll get you next time

[stray forge]

in your dream

you joined a c41 party

in that party

you wiped to enrage 10x in a row

[jolly flume]

[stray forge]

is mehwapyarra the word for capybara in another language

[rapid whale]

turali ig

[thin tartan]

pre-physically recoiling before the phonk hits cuz idk if its the phonk version or not

[warped gate]

put yo hands up

[wintry elbow]

i still can't kill that dummy 🙁 i need to push the buttons faster, but anyone have a recent paladin end game link? all i am finding is old stuff.

[rapid whale]

the balance

[rain geode]

no prework clear tho I cant complain to much as the picking for parties at 10:45 am on a sunday are rough

[true beacon]

Which dummy

[wintry elbow]

i am pushing the buttons in the order the bslance says, but it might be old.

the end game dummy. 😄

[true beacon]

Anything there now is current

which one

[rapid whale]

which one specifically

[wintry elbow]

i got to kill it in 3 mins

[true beacon]

If you mean SSS

Which one

[rapid whale]

yes but for which fight

if you're doing it vs m12s then ya no shot

[wintry elbow]

the first 1, it says level 100

[rapid whale]

o

ermge

thats not gud

what % is it at when you fail

[wintry elbow]

how do i find out my percent?

[rapid whale]

can you do a rough guess

like 5% 10% etc

[wintry elbow]

like 10-20 percent

[rapid whale]

the calculator said you did 10k dps which is by no means appropriate

try the m9s one

i get the feeling it's turning off all your materia etc

[wintry elbow]

i got the direct hit mateira

[true beacon]

I haven’t even unlocked a single SSS

[rapid whale]

right but when your gear syncs down, it deactivates all materia

it's why old ultimates still use gear from the patches, sometimes, because of that

[wintry elbow]

so there is no way to beat it?

[rapid whale]

just

try the m9s one

[true beacon]

Which one is it

[rapid whale]

they are doing the 690 ilvl sync one

[true beacon]

You say the first one, I have no frame of reference

[wintry elbow]

there a big list, its the first one on the list 😄

has a yellow S by it

[rapid whale]

do the heavyweight m1 one

not light heavyweight

[wintry elbow]

So i do the Stone, Sky, Sea - ACC Heavyweight?

AAC not the Atlantic Coast Conference lol

[rapid whale]

i think so yeah

[wintry elbow]

ok. thank you

[rapid whale]

im assuming you ae in 770 gear?

[loud nymph]

you honestly shouldn't bother using SSS at all

[wintry elbow]

i am still trying Kinger! 😄 /cheer

i will beat an endgame 1 time, then say i compeleted FF 14 🙂

my item level for my character is 773

[low hearth]

dang u been slacking on ur tome gear bro

[jolly flume]

stone sky sea is not how you beat endgame i'll say that much

[wintry elbow]

i did see a friend do end game for days and finaly got a necklace haha

i tried blm first is why pain, so i got some blm tome gear

but blm sucks lol

i want to keep going with my pld, cuz i got the furthest.

[rapid whale]

blm does not suck

[loud nymph]

🫃

[rapid whale]

blm is arguably the best caster atm

esp in a pf setting

[wintry elbow]

i can't slide and cast, that's way too hard

[low hearth]

slide casting is a hard mech

[loud nymph]

then don't play a caster 🙂

[boreal pumice]

the real answer to beat end game is just throw money at the problem

[jolly flume]

put the dancer job stone in the bag

[wintry elbow]

that's why i am back to pld and why i am low on tome gear lol

[rain geode]

Alright I gotta ask whats stone sky sea?

[boreal pumice]

dont play samuari got it

[low hearth]

training dummy place

[rain geode]

I C

[loud nymph]

it's the game's laughable excuse for actually measuring DPS

[rain geode]

Ill stick with ACT

[loud nymph]

it gives you a target dummy to beat up and says "oh if you can kill this in time then you're on track for this tier of content"

but of course

it's really badly implemented

[rain geode]

Im scared to think what they believe is on track

[loud nymph]

and also doesn't make you do anything other than just stand there and hit the dummy

[torn mesa]

the shocking part is there are people who would unironically get filtered out by SSS

[wintry elbow]

try it Six liter! 😄

[loud nymph]

so all it tests is whether you can do your rotation in a vacuum with 100% uptime

[boreal pumice]

we call it a patchwerk fight

[loud nymph]

which isn't a test of anything

[rain geode]

I mean I play healer my "damage rotation" isnt the hard part of my job

[rapid whale]

naxramus cant hut you

[rain geode]

and I wouldnt even know where it is

[loud nymph]

No, because patchwerk actually had things for healers to do back in the day

[rapid whale]

tell that to the 8k dps in pf

[boreal pumice]

but for dps just hit it

[jolly flume]

except it is, or else most healers wouldn't be doing 16-20k

💀

[rapid whale]

20k is acceptable

[boreal pumice]

still better then a drk

[jolly flume]

even that's kinda low esp with gear now

wk1 gear fine

[rapid whale]

yea its the "im not gonna complain but can absolutely be improved" territory for me

[loud nymph]

yeah but the same can be said about approximately 95% of classic wow encounters haha

[rapid whale]

4 horsemen hardest fight they ever made /s

[loud nymph]

just sayin its weird that patchwerk is the one that caught on haha

[boreal pumice]

shruge

[zealous meteor]

the meso terminal ones?

[rain geode]

I like how there are healers out here getting like 12-14k and you bring up a pretty reasonable amount of damage for a healer to do like 16-17k is certainly low but 20k looks like it comfortably puts you in the 80th percentile

[jolly flume]

12-14k isn't most

that's the bottom of the barrel

I have no hope for those people

this is 80th percentile

21.1k with a death, 775 weapon from two weeks ago

so I really don't know how 20k can't be considered low

it's certainly not tragic

but low? yeah

[rapid whale]

20k puts you on 50 pecentile on what iim seein

other than sage i guess

[rain geode]

I dont think Ive ever seen a healer do more then 20.5k rDPS

[limpid edge]

less than purple? You're HEALING the boss!!!!!

[jolly flume]

I don't think there's any arguing that less than purple is 99% of the time failing to execute job fundamentals

even if it isn't terrible damage

which is what all this was about anyways

keeping uptime with the one damage button healers have is hard for people

[terse zodiac]

Theres definitely arguing against that idea, especially when hitting a purple is just a % indicator

It means you executed the fight or have worse gear than a specific % of players in the same job, doesnt necessarily mean you dont know fundamentals

[jolly flume]

gear notwithstanding of course, but I figured that was implied

but if you executed the fight badly, you failed in fundamentals

[terse zodiac]

Purple is top 25% right? Id say its pretty easy to fall behind the top 25% early in savage

[jolly flume]

like I'd struggle to find a log that's below purple where there weren't pretty significant mistakes made in terms of either dying or simple uptime/rotational concepts

[rapid whale]

but its blue

[jolly flume]

idk lemme dig up a log from the last time I played dps since healer is ridiculously easy to parse on anyway

[rapid whale]

only using tyrant since thats the fight ppl are complaining about the dps check on

the only healer 20k isnt blue for is sage

[terse zodiac]

Im specifically talking about hitting a purple everytime, it just happens you can play well and still have a bad log

[rapid whale]

i mean yea i know ppl who parse 100 and have hit single digit grays :^)

[terse zodiac]

Either undergear or just 25% of players did slightly better than you

[rapid whale]

wasnt their fault obv but it happens

[jolly flume]

well yeah everyone's had 0th percentile crit once in a while

but like I said

vast majority of the time

it's gameplay error

[terse zodiac]

Like i dont have reference bc i dont heal savage but

Ive seen like 2 healers above 20k

[rapid whale]

saying the avg healer in pf is really really bad isnt that hot of a take imho

[jolly flume]

healers are way larger of a gap than any other role

[rapid whale]

a lot of them think, "nobody died the enrage isnt my fault ebcause haha healer dmg"

[terse zodiac]

Usually clearing with like 14k healers which sure that is very bad

Id say 20 isnt bad

[rapid whale]

yea 20 is acceptable

i wont complain about a 20k rdps healer for sure

sch in my static does 23k+

[jolly flume]

I specifically chose a log from 11 where I play white mage so as to not skew it with people in static feeding my buffs better

[rapid whale]

yea im the goat their 23k is because i feed so well /sarcasm

[jolly flume]

even then it's easily over 21k and I don't have any more than ex weapon

my tome weapon and raid weapon are on scholar and astro

[vale fox]

m11s is breaking me 😢

[terse zodiac]

Reminds me i saw a dragoon join a m11 clear who had like.. best pull 32k

[rapid whale]

to put into context of how big a 10k dps gap is

[terse zodiac]

Tried to warn the party lead but they let them in anyway

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/thelionking-lionking-mufasa-longlivetheking-scar-gif-20263689

[rapid whale]

literal rank 1 to literal worst parse on a dps is smaller than 10k

but somehow we see it as acceptable for healers

[rain geode]

I was gonna say Ive only ever seen two pulls with a healer getting more then 20k

[jolly flume]

well it's far from acceptable but

that's the reality right

[jolly flume]

like I haven't looked at savage stats much

[rapid whale]

6k gap from literal rank 1 to literal worst

[jolly flume]

but the IQR for healer dps and dps dps in FRU

was roughly equivalent

which is insane considering healers do half the damage

[quick verge]

healers arent playing the same game as everyone else (derogatory)

[rapid whale]

im not judging everyone to my sch's standards they r insanely good but

[quick verge]

it was bungo we were watching yesterday right

[rapid whale]

like the amount of dps gap is huge in the healer category

yea

[terse zodiac]

It changes pretty wildly based on fight but yeah usually healer gaps are crazy

[quick verge]

the scholar in that 11 group is the average player

dropped casts (with 1.5s cast times???)

[jolly flume]

too lazy to go find it

[rapid whale]

mb

[jolly flume]

but there was this tweet from jp that was like

time to stop considering dps job meta, just find a healer that can do >20k

[quick verge]

idk

[jolly flume]

and that's just always been the case ngl

[quick verge]

they cant heal and cant dps

game is crazy

been like this forever too

[jolly flume]

yeah idk

whenever something looks hard to uptime

I sanity check myself

by thinking that people did e4s with 2.5s main casts

so theres no way its not doable

[rapid whale]

its still the most unintuitive thing to me that the gap between a competent vs middling dps is unironically smaller than a competent vs middling healer

but i think thats more a testament to how low the low end of healers are

[terse zodiac]

I forgot all healers used to not have short casts lol

Except scholar

[quick verge]

ast

[true beacon]

AST

[rapid whale]

ass

huh

[terse zodiac]

Or ast idk i didnt play healer then : )

[rain geode]

All Ill say is I wish my cohealers could do 20k damage

[rapid whale]

as do we all

[terse zodiac]

Lowkey i bet part of the "issue" is theres not many like digestible endgame learning resources unless you like to read and learn well that way

[rapid whale]

thats like most things in life tho

those who are self motivated almost always excel

[jolly flume]

this game does a pretty ass job of encouraging you to not suck

as does the community, frankly

[rapid whale]

ye the coddling in this community is wild

[jolly flume]

I'm not exactly advocating that we should call everyone who does bad damage slurs but like

[rapid whale]

sprout healer wants me to not w2w? you gon learn to heal today

[jolly flume]

we could really stand to start kicking people for being shit

[rapid whale]

yeaaaaa but then we risk exposing we use act

[terse zodiac]

NA needs to learn that anyway

1 person holding the group back why not just kick

[rain geode]

I dunno if Id call 20k shit

[jolly flume]

nowhere did I say we should kick healers that do 20k

I just think that's slightly low

if you're doing sub 18

get out

[limpid edge]

looking at logs that other people uploaded is fine tho right?

[terse zodiac]

Had a group yesterday 1 person was failing ruining prog they left, half the party leaves too

Why just let the 1 person leave and refill

[quick verge]

at what point though

[zealous meteor]

dps meters aren't allowed even though relatively tight dps checks exist

which is silly

[jolly flume]

at what point of what

[quick verge]

do u stumble into savage and ex and not have neurons fire

[jolly flume]

idk man

[quick verge]

at reading ur kit

[jolly flume]

im sure bapple would say they just dont make gamers like they used to

but im not senile enough for that