endgame-lounge

[rain geode]

Im walking off

[obsidian basin]

pretty new to endgame stuff, if I'm just getting crafted and mnemonics gear for MCH, what materia should be slotted in? Seeing Savage Might Materia XII, but some of the penta stuff (which i can't afford) also says crit and direct hit.

[dapper zealot]

If you're just doing basic melds, prioritise crit. Then determination and direct are pretty equal so either works if crit is capped

[stray forge]

3 for sure

dance party

also frogs

i gave up on sleeping

there is no sleep anymore

only prog

[thin tartan]

#1255678397950988348 message

look at pre savage bis and bis both

if you dont pentameld just ignore the slots beyond the base melds

as for whats what if youu hover over the materia icon it tells you

or just compare it ingame

[visual geyser]

6 so I can rizz black cat

[thin fox]

if i speak i'm in trouble

[dapper zealot]

metem would be fun to hang out with

but also

5

[hollow jackal]

How many DT trials are there and are they all through msq?

[loud swift]

yes

[robust shoal]

Between Eutrope and some guy she might have met once according to HW story

[loud swift]

there is 6 dt exes you can do through msq

1 outside

[obsidian basin]

sorry if this is dumb as hell question, is the green circle border materia or the blue circle border

[hollow jackal]

Cool 7 then wheres the outside one?

[loud swift]

starting in endwalker all the post patch trials were moved to msq

[trim frost]

all of that is materia

[loud swift]

its the monster hunter collab, arkveld. u can unlock it in tuli

[boreal pumice]

No because mh boss

[hollow jackal]

Thanks how many players trial is it?

[obsidian basin]

oh whoops I meant which is base melds

[loud swift]

i answered that already

[trim frost]

starting from the left

[loud swift]

every trial is 8 players

[rain geode]

very technically untrue

[trim frost]

you meld two 12s normally, overmeld one 12, and then overmeld two 11s

[loud swift]

except for like a couple old ones

[boreal pumice]

In dt case all 8

[rain geode]

Theres the 4 player ARR trials as well as the first MH crossover back in StB

[boreal pumice]

Only arr / sb had 4 man trials

[hollow jackal]

I thought the old mh one was 4 thats the main reason I asked with it being another mh one

[rain geode]

tho thankfully theyve completely phased them out lmao

[hollow jackal]

Ah ok thanks

[loud swift]

only the extreme is 4 player, the normal is still 8

[boreal pumice]

The ex version is 4

[loud swift]

EXTREME*

[obsidian basin]

and if I dont pentameld and just have the two slot version? from left?

[hollow jackal]

Oh interesting ive never seen the normal in videos and never personally queued it that makes sense

Weird to make the extreme 4 and normal 8

Im still sad the chrysalis never got an ex

[loud swift]

its due to monster hunter only having 4 players in hunts

[hollow jackal]

Ah

[loud swift]

and they wanted to respect that somehow

arkveld extreme is still 8 players though

[rain geode]

Probably just a lot more convenient to design it that way

[hollow jackal]

How difficult is the stb mh ex I see it quite a bit in mentor videos

[loud swift]

easy enough solo if you got time

[boreal pumice]

Tbh no real difference between ex and normal just dodge

[loud swift]

depends if you want to farm the ex material drop though

the rathalos+ scale only drops if you kill it during second phase

if you speed kill it during first phase it doesn't drop

[hollow jackal]

Interesting

[loud swift]

depends what you're looking for tbf

[thin fox]

any m12 doers in here

i have a q

[loud swift]

i'm an m12n doer

[zealous meteor]

answer: no, the lindwurm will not go out on a date with you

[rain geode]

Im a sicker actually

[thin fox]

i was just wanting to confirm that youre always doing in on this mech and the only variance is whether its n/s cleaves or e/w

[dapper zealot]

I'm an m12 don'ter

[robust shoal]

cleaves are always e/w

[thin fox]

oh so you literally just look for which side has closer orbs and then you're always soaking the e/w cleave + the donut

[wicked delta]

Use eyes

You win

Fight is that easy

[robust shoal]

You're not always soaking the same

[trim frost]

yes

[robust shoal]

ngl I haven't paid attention to the pattern but I think you might always be soaking blue+purple or green+red

[thin tartan]

hit bos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[robust shoal]

this 1/3 strat is so dented though

MT is crying if they get beta first

[thin tartan]

huh

[robust shoal]

pulls rampart off autos in rep 2

[valid solar]

guy named bos

[stray forge]

I think there was one in Ryza

[thin tartan]

do u need ramp

i just do oblation tbn to beta

[robust shoal]

idk my group does 4/4

[thin tartan]

this week i graciously trolled my healers by popping ramp and then pressing living dead on both p1 snakehead buster and post idyllic buster

[grand mesa]

Man

I just had a machinist grief me in an m12p2 enrage party

[thin fox]

hi val

[grand mesa]

Hiii

[thin fox]

call me crazy but even though i've only seen rep2 once i'm lowkenuinely ready for idyllic

[trim frost]

probs

[zealous meteor]

have you tried killing them

[trim frost]

rep 1/2 are p easy mechanically

[robust shoal]

It wasn't... them was it

[trim frost]

same for superchain

[thin fox]

i feel like visually following the clones in rep1 are probably harder than anything in rep2

[trim frost]

yeah true

i try to keep my eye on the fire clone but sometimes i lose where it jumps

[robust shoal]

I wonder if my static will ever swap to a symmetrical rep 2 strat

[thin fox]

for me its usually that sometimes the initial fire jump is at a little bit of a weird angle

[grand mesa]

We got to p2

They kept getting hit by rep 1

[trim frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420652632454070304/1463266348162355464/G_AEo0DWIAAba-m.gif

[grand mesa]

only lived because they sheeped me

and then wiped us to rep 2 every time we got there

anyways

[trim frost]

nice!

[grand mesa]

we replaced and then cleared the instance after

[robust shoal]

SW guy is SW defam, S guy is NE defam, NW guy is SE defam, SE guy is boss tether, don't ask why

and we take the boss NW

[thin fox]

the nice thing about p2 is that you have a lot of time to think about stuff, i think. you're not actually doing a lot in p2.

like you have a lot of time to process ok this is what i am this is where i am going

the difficulty is just that there's a lot of things

[grand mesa]

dm

[stray forge]

why so many infamous players

[thin fox]

when you raid long enough you just learn names

[stray forge]

i wonder if theres a ffxiv server out there where I'm "them"

[valid solar]

elite pf knowledge

[grand mesa]

Unless you are.

Genuinely

prog lying out of your ass

and joining parties you have no business being in

you're fine

[thin fox]

you have to be a real fucking creature to become a genuine Name people remember lol

like a consistent creature

[trim frost]

smile

[zealous meteor]

it was bungo.....

[valid solar]

I think I should change my last name to shinimi for no particular reason

[thin fox]

in NA pf there are multiple names I recognise cuz I just see people in a lot of parties

[stray forge]

changing my name to shiyo chiomi

[grand mesa]

also

don't be an ass

don't be toxic

it's not hard

[thin fox]

oh hey there's that white mage who has 0 use of tetra in m12

[grand mesa]

if you don't like the party

just leave.

it's not hard

[valid solar]

I would never prog lie in m12 im too busy prog lying in m11

[thin fox]

val did u see my NA pf healer moment in m12p1

[stray forge]

im too much of a scaredy cat to lie

🥀

[thin fox]

i was already thinking the healing in this pf was a bit but this pull had me just

[trim frost]

prog lying even one mechanic further gives me unbridled anxiety

even if i do know the mechanic well

[grand mesa]

what

[stray forge]

I'm even

[grand mesa]

oh

[stray forge]

too scared to join a party

[grand mesa]

I mean

[stray forge]

for a mechanic that I got body dragged to

[grand mesa]

It's one thing to study a mechanic

But

the guy who joined my party

was completely clueless

[grand mesa]

tbf

you could be mitting that initial sequence of autos

[valid solar]

in m10 I prog lied from arena split to enrage because I kept getting griefed on arena split

[thin fox]

remember kids

prog lying is only bad if you get caught

[trim frost]

someone gotta hold me at gunpoint to do reclears on reset

[valid solar]

truth nuke

[stray forge]

reminds me of a party I joined earlier for split arena where the tether on my side just dropped their puddles in a circle on the marker I was supposed to stand on

[trim frost]

i can't be waiting until thursday reclears again i'll actually dissolve

[stray forge]

was it trolling or was it clueless

who knows

[thin fox]

u can kinda prog lie thru most of 9 and 10 but once it gets to 11 people start checking a lot

[wicked delta]

He then proceeded to grief weapons

[thin fox]

tho tomestone checking in 11 is so completely pointless lol

[valid solar]

[stray forge]

where are all of the healers

my pf not filling

[thin fox]

i've seen so many people whose tomestone is a <5% enrage and then u play with them for 3 pulls and go "oh ok i see why you haven't cleared"

[valid solar]

id be shocked if any pf filled at this hour ngl

[trim frost]

the average tomestone checker in 11 is just wondering if your enrage % is a low enough single digit

[stray forge]

I mean

[thin fox]

checking can be fine if you actually study someone's logs but no one is doing that lol

[stray forge]

we have 7 people

[thin fox]

people just check

% and latest seen mechanic

[trim frost]

tomestone needs to add some kinda pull parse aggregate imo

[stray forge]

that would be so toxic

everyone gets you killed

congrats you parse a 2

[thin fox]

i mean its not just about damage right

[trim frost]

hence why i said aggregate

[thin fox]

its about are they someone who actually mits

[trim frost]

not single pull

[thin fox]

do they cause deaths

like if i cause a death

that doesnt kill me or give me a dd

i am causing the enrage

but you won't see that from a pull parse

[valid solar]

when the tank forgets to bait the tb

[trim frost]

idk i'm just throwing out ideas

but we need Something more than just % and latest mech

[dapper zealot]

saw something that the tomestone dev was planning to either add more detail or get rid of it

[thin fox]

i think the issue he was talking about was like

its a lot of extra calculation to add for a site thats already costly to run

[stray forge]

my pf group has lost it

theyre all chanting rituals to summon a whm now

everyone pls join hands with me

[wicked delta]

I didn’t know anyone until I started raiding

And even then

I only knew bc I made friends here

I was like “who tf is WK”

[dapper zealot]

yeah, like who tf is tobi

[wicked delta]

Im not even named Tobias ingame make a better joke

[stray forge]

tobi didnt sleep last night so hes grumpy

dont mind him

[boreal pumice]

was he showing off his goth bun begging for gil again

[wicked delta]

That would’ve been more productive than staring at my ceiling

[zealous meteor]

who tf is "maple quintus"

fake ass name

[wicked delta]

Lalafell player opinion invalidated

[dapper zealot]

He's always grumpy

[trim frost]

guy named maple story

[zealous meteor]

excuse me???????

you hate me.

[stray forge]

I learned how to play quintus on the cello

[zealous meteor]

you HATE me.

[wicked delta]

No im not

[zealous meteor]

and want me dead.

[wicked delta]

Correct

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-speech-bubble-gif-25592479

[wicked delta]

[zealous meteor]

you will cheer on someone trying to murder me with an axe

you might even help them

i knew it.

[wicked delta]

Im not helping I don’t wanna go to jail

I’ll watch though

[zealous meteor]

that's the only reason you wouldn't help

i knew it

you HATE me

[stray forge]

is that a kpop discord server

[wicked delta]

Blackpink

[thin fox]

WK

tbf if you don't ulti pf it's more understandable to not be familiar with names

[stray forge]

white mages EXTINCT

[boreal pumice]

even i know who WK is i dont even do ultimate or play on na

[zealous meteor]

toby "twinkias" quintus wants me dead

[thin fox]

when you do ultimate pf you just learn names cuz its the same people doing totem parties

[wicked delta]

WK is so fucking funny man

My friend is a Jenova resident

[stray forge]

i dont think ulti pf exists on Primal

[zealous meteor]

"i am a god"
look inside
bad

[wicked delta]

She just sends me screenshots of him crashing out in shout chat over M10S

[boreal pumice]

really m10 i thought crash out zone was m11

[trim frost]

i got terrorized twice in the past couple weeks by cool mint crayola

[wicked delta]

Hes stuck in M10

[dapper zealot]

Lmao

[wicked delta]

Idk if he has cleared by now

[trim frost]

once in uwu pf when they were making weird snide comments to my friends while i was just trying to prog normally

and once in m10 merc this week on an alt

[zealous meteor]

i'm still in m9

(i have not touched savage all week)

[true beacon]

Same

[terse zodiac]

is he also doing m10 min ilvl

[boreal pumice]

legend btw

[thin fox]

i still remember laughing at a streamer i was watching who got really confused on joining a dsr pf and seeing he had someone in there on his blacklist cuz he doesn't blacklist people so he opened his blacklist and the only name in there was wk

[wicked delta]

I almost joined a WK party like two days ago but decided

Nah man…

[boreal pumice]

nah i like my sanity

[wicked delta]

I sit through shit for jokes but I don’t think I can tolerate that

[zealous meteor]

i HATE my sanity

being sane is overrated

[rain geode]

Eh if I could be sane I would

[wicked delta]

I need to get my M10 clear this week or ill be shot

[thin fox]

brother why are you waiting

[zealous meteor]

you're gonna get shot either way

[wicked delta]

I got super drunk two days straight

[boreal pumice]

why

[dapper zealot]

And

[stray forge]

omg

record it next time

[wicked delta]

Because I can

[dapper zealot]

Go drunk clear

[boreal pumice]

doesnt your voice go high when drunk

[wicked delta]

Yes

[rain geode]

I was debating a sick clear but I opted out

[wicked delta]

I wouldn’t even know how to open the game

[stray forge]

honestly true

[trim frost]

i guess i should at least try to clear 12 this week since i'm basically there

[grand mesa]

opener (autos) - rampart + short mortal slayer - 40% + 90s + short visceral burst - invuln coming out of invuln and prepping NW (autos) - Short ~2min right after second fixer (autos) - rampart + short Split Scourge - Kitchen Sink + late reprisal to cover party hits plus follow up Fixer Mortal Slayer - Rampart + 90s + short

from the tank in one of my groups

[dapper zealot]

Join wk pf while drunk

[stray forge]

there is NO way im figuring out OTP while sloshed

[trim frost]

i need to figure out good tbn timing for p2

[grand mesa]

when ur mitting for split scourge, pop ramp and 90s when you're bound in tower for act 3 iirc

[thin fox]

there's no way a 10s mit lasts that long ?

but i will try this

[grand mesa]

where

[trim frost]

umm

hmm

[thin fox]

where you said pop 90s when you're bound in tower

[grand mesa]

90s are 20s

no?

[trim frost]

i usually save invuln for dragon heads tbh

rampart is 20s but idt other ones are

[thin fox]

the non-rampart 90s are 10s long

[robust shoal]

I think 90s means like thrill and camo

[thin fox]

rampart is 20s

[robust shoal]

except dark mind isn't 90s because drk is legitimately op

[thin fox]

but camo/thrill/bulwark/dark mind are all 10s long

[trim frost]

camo is 20s but it's dookie

[grand mesa]

well

[grand mesa]

drk also has a million other mits to use

[thin fox]

i will try this mitigation either way and see how it goes

[grand mesa]

I think this is for pld?

[trim frost]

drk ot mit plan

[dull drum]

there is no reason not to invuln split scourge imo lol

not only does my co tank aim it like shit but theres also terrorists with their puddles

[trim frost]

i (try to) use ikuya mit plan https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FmG8NL2DybieW9FuZrPF7w6iABFtGVEzwwoFPCjslZc/edit?pli=1&gid=580924108#gid=580924108

idr if it was cats that said it but if you press ramp at the start of mortal slayer cast it'll catch your set even if you're last set

[grand mesa]

it should

[dull drum]

i have the order swapped tbh from ikuya

[robust shoal]

yeah

[grand mesa]

I just think tanks should be mitting autos more

those hurt

I get blamed for deaths right before act 2 when they're taking that shit raw the entire time

[dull drum]

i prepull rampart, use 40 + hoc for slayer buster, and then rampart camp hoc + hol for the tbs into fixer

[trim frost]

i always ramp/tbn/dm before act 2

[grand mesa]

it's not on the sheet, so people don't

[robust shoal]

I enjoy invulning it, but my static has a 50/50 on if tanks take baits and we just never fixed it because it doesn't matter for us lol

[trim frost]

my cotank wouldn't have gotten a 0 today if he just saved invuln for split scourge tbh

[thin fox]

I just get scared of moving shit because I don't trust people in pf

anyway I'm going to install Arknights Endfield because that's how much of a slave I am to the women in my life

[grand mesa]

try ramp during bound, then just oblation tbn after maybe?

[trim frost]

i just go to the spot marked on the raidplan and if that kills someone then it's not my problem

[thin fox]

yeah I'll experiment with it. I'm not too worried about not being able to mit in time

[grand mesa]

it's moreso just having mit back up for split scourge after

[thin fox]

the warrior of light stronger than me i would've unzipped the tyrant's pants and showed the arcadion the real might of the behemoth

[rain geode]

🤨

[zealous meteor]

hmmm

[trim frost]

man i guess

[thin fox]

i'm just referencing a tweet

[trim frost]

she x on my y til i z

[zealous meteor]

she on my till i

[dapper zealot]

Mhmm sure

[wicked delta]

Dont let them silence you

[stray forge]

do it retract

[grand mesa]

man

m12 really did just take me a quarter of the time that m11 did

💀

[wicked delta]

This Tyrant shit serious

[grand mesa]

I think

people who were not good enough to do m11 just never got to do m12

[stray forge]

bad ppl can sneak past m10, but they can't sneak past m11

[grand mesa]

so m12 is easier

also

idyllic is such a cool mechanic

[trim frost]

oh yeah @grand mesa i was looking for the messages from That Person and i couldn't find them i think they deleted all of them

[grand mesa]

Oh 😭

[rain geode]

Idyllic is gonna be such a nightmare, oh well one thing at a time

[grand mesa]

idyllic looks like a nightmare until it doesn't

[thin fox]

m12p1 took me 100 pulls compared to the 350 pulls for m11 and I suspect that p2 is not going to take me 250, which will end up being a funny comparison

[grand mesa]

it's 3 different mechanics that they sliced up into 1

but those mechanics are really easy

[vestal hollow]

yeah but val ur a gamer

i suck

[grand mesa]

AM I LECTURING PEOPLE ON IDYLLIC

I'LL DO IT

[vestal hollow]

not the mom mode

[rain geode]

Memory mechanics are pretty historically the mechanics Im the worst at so Im really not looking forward to it

[stray forge]

the real nightmare is being stuck on weapons prog while joining groups for split prog

[grand mesa]

Use macros

[thin fox]

the thing re: idyllic is that you're not having to think in the moment; the complexity of the mechanic comes from having a knowledge check that requires multiple minutes of memory management. this is why macros trivialise the mechanic. once you know and can remember what you're doing (i.e. perfect knowledge), the mechanic becomes trivial.

[stray forge]

I love minesweeper

[wicked delta]

Im jus gonna summon the avengers for a m11 clear tbh

[thin fox]

this is in comparison to a mechanic like arena split where its complexity comes from having to do quick positioning in the moment

once you erase the knowledge check through macros most of the difficulty of the mechanic is gone

[stray forge]

OKAY HOLD ON

THE TOWERS DURING ECLIPTIC

[thin fox]

and it just becomes "do you remember where you go if you have x mechanic"

[stray forge]

I DID NOT EXPECT THEM TO BE THAT FAST

[grand mesa]

just look north and go clockwise

surely

or ccw

if ur melee

[stray forge]

yes but

it was the first time I saw them

[grand mesa]

fair

[thin fox]

this is the main thing that makes idyllic not quite ultimate tier because its [relatively] slow

[stray forge]

and I swear I blinked and they were gone lmao

[grand mesa]

if idyllic was faster

it'd have been an ultimate mechanic

but it's 50% the way there

[vestal hollow]

i maintain the theory that idyllic was a scrapped fru mechanic

[grand mesa]

tbh

[vestal hollow]

and youd be swapping between oracle and shiva

[trim frost]

relativity slow

[thin fox]

i would say the main thing that separates a really complicated savage mechanic from an ultimate mechanic is just speed

[grand mesa]

idyllic is still harder than a lot of ulti mechanics I think

so it'd fit

[grand mesa]

i didnt have an issue getting past weapons tbh

but I was also a healer

[stray forge]

I love speed

[grand mesa]

and that's a healer mechanic

[thin fox]

val you're a healer who hits buttons which puts you above almost every single NA pf healer in 11

[stray forge]

theres like

1 dps player in this channel and its that yoyo person

[thin fox]

I would say average healer dps in 11 in my experience was like

maybe 17k

[vestal hollow]

i still cant believe that people dont do the easier scythe spreads in pf

[grand mesa]

I got 21k on my clear

[stray forge]

that high?

you either got goated healers or dps lol

[thin fox]

a healer with full uptime should be doing around 20-21k rdps yeah

[grand mesa]

goated healers, in my case

[thin fox]

I think the only healer I saw do 20k+ was the white mage I cleared with who had already done the fight and was helping

[grand mesa]

was the ast

[thin fox]

I saw so many healers doing like

12-14k rdps

[grand mesa]

my parses this tier aren't that impressive, though

but w/e

i clear

[stray forge]

looking through my logs and seems like average sits around

13-14k

[zealous meteor]

"not that impressive"
91

ok ill just quit

[grand mesa]

my self standards are high..

mb

[zealous meteor]

stop that

[thin fox]

val is mean to themselves

[grand mesa]

i'm not saying you're bad, I'm sorry 😭

[zealous meteor]

you're doing good

[rain geode]

91 is decent but like seeing blue if your used to getting higher is rough

[zealous meteor]

its not about me its about you

[stray forge]

everyone who switched from WoW

[grand mesa]

I just liking striving for improvement

[stray forge]

going from orange to gray

[zealous meteor]

stop beating yourself up for being above average

[stray forge]

🥀

[grand mesa]

I grinded out abyssos a few years ago for the love of the game

[rain geode]

Mine have been ok Still super tilted I basically lost all of week 3 to being sick

[zealous meteor]

"ok"
90

[grand mesa]

though

[zealous meteor]

[vestal hollow]

i remember your blm arc

[grand mesa]

i do think being a good healer isn't at all quantified in parses

you can parse well and still be awful at being adaptable

[vestal hollow]

werent u still spudsy back then

[grand mesa]

naur

Well

[rain geode]

Im pretty sure a lot of that is Other SCH's not cleaving then it is any indication of my skill

[grand mesa]

I namechanged and fanta'd off spud lightyear in early asphodelos

[rain geode]

AoW is a gain on 2 and Im fishing for chances to press it

[grand mesa]

but that's many years ago at this point

[random needle]

So many times, I've been wishing I was playing healer this tier tbh

[vestal hollow]

aspho is 6 years old now

[grand mesa]

yes

i am aware

[stray forge]

I wish I could kiss the healers that rez me on top of the boss after I fucked up orbital omen with tongue

[vestal hollow]

oh

my bad..

[rain geode]

Healing is fun, very suprising seeing how boring it is in normal mode content

[grand mesa]

mb..

[zealous meteor]

...asphodelos is 4 years old?

late 2021/early 2022

[stray forge]

like thank you for knowing that I need to be on top of the boss or else everything goes to shit 😭

[grand mesa]

I save a swift for you people..

[rain geode]

I was really expecting to be done with M11S by now but uh my body had other plans

[vestal hollow]

that swift is the difference between an orange and purple too 💔

[grand mesa]

unfortnite

m11 is a wall

only made easier by knowing peopel™

[vestal hollow]

im taking my service mt friend into m11s today

[random needle]

I can never trust my party to use Swift for anything but rez in my experience

[grand mesa]

I'm never getting a clear if I don't pick people off the ground

[vestal hollow]

mb im new

[zealous meteor]

service mt... is this like service top

[random needle]

It feels like the second I use Swift for something other than a rez, someone will fall over

[grand mesa]

(I do use swift in places I know would be absolutely stupid to die to)

[vestal hollow]

Sure

[grand mesa]

it works out 9/10 times

[rain geode]

I dont doubt it but I havnt even started yet Ive both been sick with a soar throat and Ive been getting constant nosebleeds so I havnt even been able to start M11S annoyingly

[zealous meteor]

im see

[thin fox]

i still say ur one of the best players i know val . or one of my fav players anyway. u also make me remember i need to go back to TEA. veraoomf has been teaposting recently. . .

[grand mesa]

and the 1/10 I can just sit there and stare at the dead guy disappointingly

[grand mesa]

Oh, I have bad blood with that person

[zealous meteor]

mb im new

[grand mesa]

I've left tea behind

For personal reasons

[rain geode]

Dont want to start raiding when theres a 10% chance I have stop and run to the restroom every pull lol

[thin fox]

aw i'm sorry

[grand mesa]

it's ok

I'm down to do tea with you

I'm just not in the sphere of people who Do Tea™ anymore

[rain geode]

If I end up doing ult tea is probably the like second one Id want to do

[thin fox]

i should go in on picto... it's the only job that hits the perfect venn diagram of "i know how to play it" / "it's fun to play" / "it's in the spots i already know"

[grand mesa]

It's alright

pretty strong in tea

[rain geode]

First one I want to do is FRU probably

[thin fox]

it's mostly just that i am not confident at level 80 black mage and i don't want to learn where to spend gauge on red mage in the middle of remembering how the fight works

[zealous meteor]

i wanna do TEA but i wanna clear savage first and to clear savage i have to be on...... a*ther.......

[thin fox]

and that's the only 3 casters in the g ame

😃

[zealous meteor]

BLU is right there.

[rain geode]

oh thanks for reminding me to try and move to aehter rn for tommorow

[vestal hollow]

just transfer in the early hours

[thin fox]

i'm so fucked if i join mercs on my alt

[rain geode]

Real jobs

[thin fox]

cuz my alt is a crystal resident

i can't fucking server hop on my alt

[zealous meteor]

it's not that, i jsut end up missing my friends lmao

[thin fox]

i think blu should be allowed to do ultimate but the devs are idiots who hate fun

[rain geode]

my friends are bums they can live without me for a day

[wicked delta]

I’ll hop into FRU once im done with this tier

[thin fox]

i think blu should get limit break which just works based on which role buff they have and then let them do ultimate

[grand mesa]

ppl server transfer

to give gil

it's fine

only issue is if ur in a world so congested aether people can't get to you

[vestal hollow]

[rain geode]

Ill maybe hop into FRU once Im done with this tier PF has lowered my urges to hop into ults lel

[thin fox]

i saw crazy tech on ken's stream where they had to reinstance in to m11 and then use request meld to give gil cuz neither the mercer or the mercees could transfer

[vestal hollow]

come do criterion kitten

[thin fox]

[grand mesa]

LMAOO

request meld is wild

i respect it

you can use repair too

just select one piece at a time

and then go to your backpack and request those

[thin fox]

benefit of meld is that u can just keep unmelding the piece

[grand mesa]

that is true

but most mercs dont give more than a handful of mil anyways

[zealous meteor]

woudln't it be cool if this game wasn't so shit that all this was required

[thin fox]

don't forget about the extra fun part

(can only do 1m gil at a time)

so imagine those parties that are like

15m gil each

just straight up there for 20 mintues transferring gil

[rain geode]

Very funny that I won the Tome weapon on Tuesday then proceed to get sick the whole week so it didnt matter

[grand mesa]

I just looked at my m12p2, maybe you have a point

[rain geode]

Always feels weird to see the always be casting be green

[vestal hollow]

what da helly

[thin fox]

valoomf is my goat

[grand mesa]

i might be the greatest to ever do it

(I'm not)

[wicked delta]

God I see what you do for others I want that for me

(I just need to practice)

[grand mesa]

press buttones

[vestal hollow]

how

[dapper zealot]

What's a press?

[wicked delta]

I can press buttons I just explode to mechs

Im oopid

[thin fox]

here's the real meta question about m12s

if i use penumbra to change my glam

does that get reflected in my clone

[dapper zealot]

Probably not

[thin fox]

this game sucks

[dapper zealot]

Go test it in Ihu

[thin fox]

lhu?

[dapper zealot]

91 dungeon

I do not remember the full names

[zealous meteor]

ihuykatumu

[thin fox]

huh

what would that dungeon do

[boreal pumice]

jungle boat ride

[dapper zealot]

The slime clones

It should work the same

[thin fox]

there are slime clones??

[boreal pumice]

2nd boss

[thin fox]

i remember slimes i do not remember clones

[boreal pumice]

and some of the trash b4 it

[zealous meteor]

the slimes turn into clones of party members

just with a blue/green/red tint

it's honestly kinda creepy

[dapper zealot]

Blue fop

[boreal pumice]

yeah the slimes copy all your party members idk if changes the mods client side but dont think so

[thin fox]

we got dungeon experts over here

[zealous meteor]

i have run ihuykatumu too many times to not remember the slimes

[wicked delta]

My bun on EU is modded and I don’t think the slimes changed to her modded appearance

[boreal pumice]

if it did copy your client side apperance could do some very stupid things with it like idk godzilla vs kingkong

[wicked delta]

Time to log into FFXIV and afk for 6 hours

[dapper zealot]

So much for touching grass

[wicked delta]

I’m going outside

I just leave the pc on

[thin fox]

[wicked delta]

[thin fox]

leaving it on to do what?

[boreal pumice]

next hel say hes using a steam deck to play outside

[wicked delta]

Dw my cousin’s got this

[boreal pumice]

you an chiyo share cousins

[wicked delta]

Yeah

Dude why is it so fucking cold

[dapper zealot]

I'll trade you some hot for some cold

[wicked delta]

Bet

[vestal hollow]

tobingo

[random needle]

I can't touch grass, it's all covered in snow

[vestal hollow]

eat the snow

especially the yellow patches

[rain geode]

Lemon flavored

[loud swift]

I can't touch grass, i live in a desert

its all sand dirt and gravel

[dull drum]

what easier scythe spread

[clear plume]

I’ve seen people (my group) do melees and healers swap spots so healers move less

[finite plank]

i'd probably just leave it up to fate and stick to br

it does suck if you're on the other end of sword moving all the way for scythe

well, i dont know how painful it is exactly as a melee with 10% more movement speed

[grand mesa]

my little m12 griefer is back in pf

this person doesn't give up

[stray forge]

man we had a truly special whm just now

[dull drum]

we were debating this when we went in with ast on our usual ast sch comp but ultimately the healer just said “fuck this im whming m11”

😭😭😭

[clear plume]

But…. AST literally has more movement

[dull drum]

does it though every healer ive talked to says ast is miserable in m11

[clear plume]

If lightspeed doesn’t last long enough to cover weapons then whm having free lily movement sure isn’t lasting long enough

[grand mesa]

these are endwalker numbers

[grand mesa]

weak

uptime scythe is just having melees and tanks south in the spread

RHMT from north

[dull drum]

and then we ended up double shielding m12 cause uh

shit hurts

super comfy tho

[grand mesa]

i like ast on m11

until I have to raise more than 2 people

but that's an mp economy thing and not a kit thing

[vestal hollow]

mt and ot on the rear of the boss relative west/east and ranged preposition further north to give them room. so mt doesnt have to sprint to north

[thin fox]

MT spot is not hard tbh

[clear plume]

Why would mt struggle to get North?

[dull drum]

^

[dull drum]

it isnt

i get 99.5-99.75 uptime on gnb mt

chill guy like that

just be the greed god

[thin fox]

0% holmgang uptime

[dull drum]

OK I HAVENT FUCKED UP M11 TOWERS YET

cant catch me whiffing that shit cause id jump

TTT is the meta

dont @ me

@thin fox idk how you stand warrior in m12 bro every warrior ive seen just dies

[clear plume]

I love TTT

Idk why people want party involved at all

[grand mesa]

sword>scythe can be tight without sprint

you won't always have sprint

[dapper zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ttt-garrys-mod-hop-on-hop-on-ttt-hop-on-garrys-mod-gif-984602075620318784

[clear plume]

Sword scythe is gonna be rough for all of party 1 tho

[grand mesa]

it's not that it's impossible and moreso just "why would you make it harder on yourself"

[clear plume]

Like what about MT would be harder than anybody else there

Bc you’re having g1 members go front of boss no matter what

[vestal hollow]

?

what

[thin fox]

its not hard if you dont care about downtime

[grand mesa]

tell that to all the mts I see in pf getting merked by needing to be north

anyways

[robust shoal]

sword->scythe is not tight as mt

[thin fox]

just put the tomahawk in the bag

[dull drum]

it isnt yeah

[robust shoal]

I sit there and hit an extra gcd after sword goes off before I start running

[grand mesa]

again, why make it harder on yourself

anyways

[thin fox]

having fan spreads with melee/tank south is definitely better but good luck on getting pf to adjust

[dull drum]

i dont think thats necessarily harder though

??

[grand mesa]

why are people pushing fixed ecliptic

[robust shoal]

gnb/war gcds might not align because the shorter application delay of their ranged attack but on drk I literally have like 0.2s of clipping total by the end of the last weapons

[grand mesa]

why are we making pf players think more than they have to

[clear plume]

Having healers run further for a movement tank isn’t hard to do is not an uptime Strat though

[dull drum]

^

[robust shoal]

I like being north scythe spread ngl, I just run to the nipple on the target ring

[clear plume]

Uptime would be casters moving less 100%

[grand mesa]

I've done it on ast

It is not harder

[robust shoal]

no brain just find nipple

[grand mesa]

I move a bee's dick farther

[robust shoal]

me when I'm a newborn

[clear plume]

How tf are you having difficulty on mt then

???

[grand mesa]

ask pf

it's always consistently mt

[dull drum]

tell them to put a ranged gcd in the bag if they suck

🥀

[thin fox]

I think the only real benefit is that you're guaranteeing a melee never has to take a tether. People argue fixed ecliptic also helps with the two/fourway baits but people still fuck it up either way so

[grand mesa]

all for 2 gcds of uptime

stop making people think

people can barely do their rotations as is

[robust shoal]

why doesn't pf just mit the 2/4ways

[grand mesa]

I do

[thin fox]

i do

[robust shoal]

they don't even hit that hard if you solo/duo them

[grand mesa]

and then I leave the party when I learn they expect me to do TTP for towers because they have no critical thinking skills

[clear plume]

Bc they do a party tower which means you need 50% mit there in pf brain

[grand mesa]

you don't actually need that much mit for first tower

[thin fox]

let's add a 4 player tower prio all so that the melee who is doing 33k rdps can get 2 extra gcds

[grand mesa]

i hate hector man

people see a strat with "uptime" on it and start salivating, thinking it'll save them from enraging the fight

[thin fox]

I probably wouldn't mind it in a static with decent players but as soon as I saw the prio I said lol I do not trust pf to do this

[grand mesa]

no, 2 gcds isn't what's stopping you from enraging, your 90% uptime is

[thin fox]

I mean I tank m11 so I just want w.e is clearing

[midnight furnace]

Aight today i start my M11S prog

What should i expect

[thin fox]

since I just tether either way

what's your role

[grand mesa]

wipes to weapons

wipes to split arena

[midnight furnace]

Caster

[grand mesa]

wipes to weapons in split arena parties

[thin fox]

you're gonna die to raidwides buddy

have fun

[grand mesa]

wipes to split arena in ecliptic parties

[dull drum]

ngl one of the comments on fixed cracks me up

“makes my life easier as ranged ty” “mf you alr have it easy”

[thin fox]

they call the melee player 007

• 0 feints used
• 0 mechanics understood
• 7 deaths to greeding uptime in weapons

[dull drum]

did you know

feint and rep dont work on mortal slayer

[dapper zealot]

I did know

[grand mesa]

IT DOESN'T

[dull drum]

[grand mesa]

IT LITERALLY

DOESN'T MAKE IT EASIER

WHAT ARE PEOPLE ON

[thin fox]

val how do u feel about the fact that no one ever throws out [FREE] mit during weapons or ultimate weapons in NA pf

[grand mesa]

HECTOR COULD PUT OUT TOTAL DOGWATER AND PEOPLE WILL GET ON THEIR KNEES TO WORSHIP IT

[grand mesa]

Don't get me started

[clear plume]

Can’t wait until next expack when we get the role tourist prange players

Gl pf

[thin fox]

based on my experience in m11s pf I think I am the only tank that throws out free reprisals during weapons

[dull drum]

i throw out my rep and hol like a good boy

[grand mesa]

I think the quality of prange players will go up

because good players rarely ever choose to play phys ranged

[thin fox]

like do people not realise all the 15s mit covers 3x weapons

[grand mesa]

(I am mostly joking)

[grand mesa]

ty

[grand mesa]

I struggle there sometimes bc ppl refuse to throw out party mit for some godforsaken reason

[thin fox]

the quality of prange players will go up from people who are good at the game playing a new prange just because its new

[vestal hollow]

m11 wiill be easier this week surely

[thin fox]

you think that m11s will get easier from tome weapons

but you fail to consider

that even MORE dogshit players will get through m10s

because of tome weapons

and infect m11s pf

[vestal hollow]

i think the dogshit players got filtered already

[dull drum]

i got bard weapon from our m12 clear and then hopped into m12 pf with all crafted + raid weapon

[clear plume]

I did a 10s run to practice bard and cleared a 35% uptime sch

[zealous meteor]

thanks for clearing me

[thin fox]

literally yesterday i was watching yama crash out because a scholar in his m10s clear party was doing 8k rdps

[zealous meteor]

[dull drum]

0 gcd bard opener gives me cancer

[robust shoal]

our bard was a proponent of not doing 1st gcd buffs in 12

[thin fox]

isnt 0 gcd bard just like

1 - quad weave - 1

[robust shoal]

we had an 0.2% because the group decided not to adjust but we cleared a few pulls later so w/e

[dull drum]

yeah its basically a quad weave

[vestal hollow]

sam when are you clearing m9s

[dapper zealot]

How does a 0 gcd opener even work

[dull drum]

you want to hit trouba early to cover fixer bc then trouba will be back up to cover both stacks + fixer in act 1 consistently

[robust shoal]

enrage castbar finishing just as carve and spit pained me

[clear plume]

It’s fine, I first gcd song BV raging finale second and trust that it’ll eventually work out

[zealous meteor]

i'm scared

of pf

[vestal hollow]

When are you clearing.

[robust shoal]

but we have enough buffs it wasn't worth it for me to send before buffs to gain a use

[clear plume]

Rest of party can hold 1 gcd for 4m buffs if you’re not worried about that

[vestal hollow]

[zealous meteor]

why do you ask

[vestal hollow]

then you will be sopped.

[dull drum]

my group alr reverted to normal opener for m12 p1

our dmg is pt nice

[robust shoal]

if you're wk 2+ as static just do normal

[clear plume]

Otherwise missing one gcd under buffs is fine

Yeah opti is gonna be fun bc it’s do normal but have defa be not on a melee

[grand mesa]

how does this happen

[dull drum]

didnt they have 745 weapon

[thin fox]

they were using

a realm reborn int pots

[clear plume]

Save me funny shield man take it for the drg

[thin fox]

[grand mesa]

[thin fox]

and i think they were using nq food

i was watching the party list one pull and i just saw concitation concitation concitation concitation concitation concitation concitation concitation

[grand mesa]

😭

how are they not OOM'ing

[dull drum]

how far are you in p2 inx

[thin fox]

i saw rep2 once but i'm comfy with rep1 and honestly just from reading strat i am confident with rep2+superchain

[dull drum]

rep 2 for us is just PLEASE DONT GIVE ME DEFA PLEASE DONT GIVE ME NOTHING

[thin fox]

for defam can you just be like a little bit south of the e/w markers

[dull drum]

yes

[thin fox]

couldn't quite tell from the pov i saw how tight it was

[dull drum]

i treat it like dsr sotw

havent killed anyone yet

[zealous meteor]

well they clearly need the int pots because they're fucking stupid without them

[normal blade]

quick question. With fixed Stampede. I know you're supposed to go CW to stretch your tether. but i always forgor which side I need to go to. is there an easy way to remember?

[clear plume]

This guy is in weapons prog now

[dull drum]

idk i didnt do fixed stampede in pf

[thin fox]

fixed stampede does tethers the same way

[normal blade]

But its random what side you get. right?

[clear plume]

It just does a tower conga to forced ranged tethers

[thin fox]

this is how i think of it mentally

[normal blade]

So. If I have my camera away from my portal. Go right

[thin fox]

yeah

[normal blade]

OH!

[dull drum]

also this was probably pt obvious but whoever is beta tank needs to voke right away for superchain

[normal blade]

That makes life. so much easier

tyty

[thin fox]

i do not like the 'cw' label at all

[dull drum]

and then when the debuffs swap vice versa

[thin fox]

oh do autos also count for the mechanic?

[clear plume]

Any damage

[dull drum]

yes

[thin fox]

i'm glad i play cuz i don't have to gaf about this stampede bullshit

i just take my tether like a good little chudling

[dull drum]

and then for the shape soak you just need a 20% + short as tank

it be chill like that

[grand mesa]

i think the main takeaway here is

melee parsebrain toolbox makers

[thin fox]

its the worst fucking melee players in the world asking for this shit too

if i had 2 extra gcds i would not be 34k rdps

trust

those 2 gcds would do like 5k potency

trust

[mossy eagle]

Not going to lie the M12SP2 NA PF strats look like ass

[thin fox]

i haven't really studied idyllic yet but everything up to idyllic seems fine

[dull drum]

idyllic is just a press macros when you see stuff mechanic

boom shrimple

[robust shoal]

I hear pf does dn idyllic but it sucks and banana is good

[thin fox]

i just mean i haven't studied idyllic so i have no opinion on the strat

[mossy eagle]

Static rep 1 seems overall better than standard? Also not a fan of DN idyllic just from looking at the toolboxes, but maybe it's fine in game

[robust shoal]

I haven't done pf strats for stuff yet this tier tho

[thin fox]

is there a raidplan for static

[robust shoal]

surely I'll work up the desire to reprog all the fights on my alt soon

[thin fox]

oh nvm i found it

let me look at this

[stray forge]

ill be so fr

I still have literally no clue what inner/outer means but I've seemingly never fucked it up so

[mossy eagle]

That's terrifying

[stray forge]

I just look at portal and it works out

someone else always fucks up though so I'm stuck in split still

[mossy eagle]

Inner = stand on the corner closer to the middle of the arena
Outer = stand on the corner closer to the person with the tether

[thin fox]

ok static looks good

[mossy eagle]

At some point this will get people killed if you stand inner on the outer markers or vice versa

[thin fox]

i'm fine with dn rep1 but if people switched to this i would be ok with that

i do not like banana rep1 at all though

the rep1 eu does

[dull drum]

i think our static just ended up doing DN for the entirety of p2

i dont think we had any particular problems with doing idyllic

[stray forge]

wouldn't I be the one that gets killed

[thin fox]

like idk man this is not it imo

these look so fucking scary

[dull drum]

DN rep 1 is just

PLEASE MAKE ME DARK VULN

PLEASEEEE

[thin fox]

newgens who can't do snake prio

[dull drum]

idk i always just look for where the fire clone slammed and then look opposite for the dark dude

and then just watch his split

[thin fox]

i just watch the fire split too

[dull drum]

you could probably just identify the dark dude right away but personally the fire clone is way easier to watch for the first hit

lol

[mossy eagle]

Vice versa could also kill your tether buddy. I'd have to draw it out. Regardless just stand in the correct corner for whatever marker set your PF is using lmao

[stray forge]

well tyvm for explaining :^)

I asked a few days ago and didn't get anything lmao

but i guess it should have been intuited

[grand mesa]

Dn idyllic is fine ingame

M12sp2 pf strats are fine

[vestal hollow]

can new players really not do snake prio

[grand mesa]

Revolutionary tech:dark and fire clones are always directly opposite of each other after jumping

[dull drum]

uh yeah thats what i said earlier

[grand mesa]

If you can find the fire far clone, then you know where to find the dark far clone

Oh

[grand mesa]

Why say this, then?

[thin fox]

cuz dark vuln melee goes middle

[dull drum]

i mean thats dn rep 1 lol

dark vuln doesnt do shit

[thin fox]

you dont even pay attention to clone

[dull drum]

LOL

yeah

[thin fox]

at least in dn rep1

[dull drum]

you stand mid

only no debuffs /fire debuffs have to watch for dark clone to bait it

[thin fox]

my only disappointment

with m10s

[grand mesa]

Oh

[thin fox]

no equivalent of this clip

[grand mesa]

Ur talking about melee spots

[thin fox]

ye

[grand mesa]

Yeah, gg

[thin fox]

stah is tank

[dull drum]

yeah idk ranged can have fun

[dull drum]

this role is too hard

[vestal hollow]

had this happen to me in prog and i stopped progging cw afterwards

[dull drum]

take me back to mch

[grand mesa]

Just press the button sequence and win

[dull drum]

still have no idea what to play for the ulti though

[grand mesa]

The job you just geared

[vestal hollow]

you should play whm

[thin fox]

m6s is such a SSS tier fight

[dull drum]

idk tanks too hard

[thin fox]

m6 is best fight of the whole expac and probably will remain that way unless the new ultimate tops it

[vestal hollow]

genuinely curious inx what's your take on m10s, i think its one of the best savage fights theyve made

[thin fox]

best fight this tier

[vestal hollow]

good balance of mechs and interesting uptime

i heard someone say that they thought m9 and m10 were new designers, with m11 and m12 being more old school encounter designers

[thin fox]

i have some issues with 10 but its good overall

i don't get why bubble works the way it does

why do 2 people go in the bubble

[vestal hollow]

im curious to see what uptime strats might come about

[thin fox]

why is the mech designed such that 2 people just don't have to do the mechanic

[dull drum]

pacman m10

[grand mesa]

top 10 just bc of the yaoi jokes during prog

[grand mesa]

It's so the healers can sit there and don't get to complain about having the hardest role

(me, i am healers)

[thin fox]

also 10 has a "why is this just a normal mode mechanic" moment but tbf that's a tier wide problem kinda

when the bosses go away to do their dbz fusion dance idk why that's just the exact same thing from normal lol

could've had somethingggg there

[random needle]

There should have been exalines

:3

[thin fox]

its crazy that the first intermission in m9s is literally easier than the normal mode

[grand mesa]

tbf

I've enraged the intermission more in savage

[thin fox]

i think the only time i've seen the intermission enrage is day 1

when people were just dcing midpull

[grand mesa]

pf

[zealous meteor]

to be fair the difficulty with the intermissions in M9N is that it's every wol for themselves in normal mode

[thin fox]

i mean in savage the first intermission just has fewer things to do lol

[grand mesa]

I remember how m2n intermission was harder than anything in the savage

[thin fox]

if this was anabaseios (peak raid tier) you would've had to do the stacks and spreads during the line dodges

[grand mesa]

Or whatever the heart vomit mech was

I still think we peaked in p8s..

That fight, truly did weed out the weak

[zealous meteor]

ok grandma let's get you to bed

[thin fox]

I like Anabaseios more than Abyssos but I like P8S more than anything in Anabaseios

except for maybe P10S

but P10S is like favourite fight in the game for me

[grand mesa]

p5s is the one of the best first floors

[thin fox]

[grand mesa]

Carby is so whimsy pilled

[zealous meteor]

carby :)

[thin fox]

YOU WILL GO NO FURTHER

[grand mesa]

Then I got to laugh at people who die trying far dodges during devour

While I rp walked mid

[thin fox]

week 5498739 and people still cant do devour

[zealous meteor]

don't need to do devour, just one shot the boss with lv100 gear

[worn bluff]

anabaseios had 3 floors and an intermission

[thin fox]

I like P11 more than M9

[worn bluff]

p11 was just a chill reward for beating p10

[thin fox]

Themis is aura

[grand mesa]

Don't let your twink bias get in the way of this...,,