endgame-lounge

[clear plume]

pot

[alpine plover]

third pog

[clear plume]

which is whatever

listen potions get me excited ok

[alpine plover]

fair

[finite plank]

i'll just do the 1m pot into 2m

im also assuming there is no 2m holding at all in m12s p2

using 1gcd 2m

[clear plume]

ehhhhhhhhh

yes and no

[finite plank]

...ok where the hold at

[clear plume]

pf strat is to send 1st gcd and on cd

[finite plank]

yeah, that seems right

[clear plume]

but first mech you can hold 2m until after defa instead if you know you wont enrage

and melees wont be baiting a defa mid 2m

and thats like a normal opener into 2 gcd hold there

[finite plank]

i dont think i wanna process that... can i just let it rip

what's the % check at least

[clear plume]

wym

[sleek moon]

Can I figure out who this is just from the rankings

[finite plank]

well, the health, what should it roughly be before the idyllic defam/stack bs

[clear plume]

idk

by hold until after defa i mean reenactment

like the clone mech 2m in

[finite plank]

all i remember was wondering why i was at 90 gauge on vpr and thinking where my triple reawaken is and just gave up and went for 2 during burst window in that period

[clear plume]

but i dont watch hp except 49% on idyllic cast is on pace

[finite plank]

meh, i'll find out on reclear later

[west zephyr]

It also depends on composition

A selfish comp will benefit more from 0-5-10

A buff comp 0-6-10:30

[finite plank]

i remember myself using the 2m before the arena returns to normal from 2 islands

[alpine plover]

yea we have dnc rpr drg ast

rdps comp

[clear plume]

it should come up right during the end of portal setup/holy baits if you first gcd into no hold

[finite plank]

yeah, it's there

[fierce matrix]

Not with gear tbh

[finite plank]

roughly

[wicked delta]

Prolly yeah dude’s kind of a parser lol

[clear plume]

if you do the hold on first 2m mech it comes out as stacks/defa are about to go out

[fierce matrix]

Even with ungeared alts we killed like 7s before our 2 mins finished

[clear plume]

nah the guy isnt good

[sleek moon]

Oh nvm the person I suspected this would be isn't playing pranged this tier

[fierce matrix]

0-5-10 is gonna be better from like this week onwards

[west zephyr]

Or watching the clip

Wait I cannot share it, right

[sullen copper]

Just realized I've procrastinated doing prog for savage for too long and now people are gonna be mean about me not having enough gear or whatever fuuuuuuck

[clear plume]

the clip is the definition of a name shame

[sullen copper]

Guess I did the same thing I did the last two tiers

[wicked delta]

Yea cant send the clip at all

[west zephyr]

We have one of those every tier

[wicked delta]

Sajj

[sullen copper]

Maybe in 8.0

[sleek moon]

Pranged with big ego is so funny tbh because it's like the least impactful role

[fierce matrix]

Its okay we already got a rin post this tier too

[sleek moon]

This tier is saved

[fierce matrix]

He griefed some clear run ig

[sleek moon]

Couldn't end the expansion without a rin drama

[fierce matrix]

And then Tales from DF came out on him

[clear plume]

there is a diff rin thats had the GOOD drama this tier

[sullen copper]

I know about rinon the youtube guy but idk any other rins

[tepid mist]

rin drama is scheduled content patch

[sleek moon]

Streamer Rin karigani

[sullen copper]

Ah ic

[fierce matrix]

Rin Kaeigani is a streamer who used to be a balance mentor

If you remember the whole

[alpine plover]

what's the drama this time

[fierce matrix]

Dice drama

[alpine plover]

is he just complaining about something

[fierce matrix]

Dice vs Wave

That was his static

[sleek moon]

It's in tales from df

[fierce matrix]

He griefed a party

People flamed him

He tried to defend

Got called out on his bluff and got shown to be bad

[clear plume]

He’s not a mentor there anymore? I was asked to melee for his parse group he’s making for this tier but turned it down

[tepid mist]

if dunning and kruger got married and raised a son

[clear plume]

But yeah there is a rin person this tier who’s

Progged 9 and 10 and moving onto 11 with like

[fierce matrix]

Just gonna get ahead of this now:

Someone from an m11 party last night made a TalesfromDF post about me purposely trapping and wasting PFs time.

Y'all that have been around have seen the time and effort I've put into every group I've helped

[clear plume]

“30m lootmaster cf1” and the person doesn’t know the fight

But hoping people join and they can prog knowing they won’t clear

[alpine plover]

cant find it

[clear plume]

Once they actually get to the last mech it turns from 30m cf1 to like 2m cf1 book run

Funniest shit

Collecting blacklists

[sleek moon]

It's the current top post there

[alpine plover]

ah i see

oh i seeeee

it's Rin, not Rinon

[sleek moon]

I think there has been drama with every known streamer minus rinon

One of the few untainted

[alpine plover]

rinon just complains

with every patch

but in a somewhat constructive manner

[tawdry delta]

only rinon drama i'm aware of is when a random sniped his FT run and tried to gaslight him about it in the of

i.e. acccusing them of trying to murder op with a tankbuster when it was the op who stood in front of the tb telegraph

[west zephyr]

Sounds like something you could report for fraud

[west zephyr]

There has been with Rinon, just not as loud

[west zephyr]

I've heard of more personal matters but I guess it'd be too much to mention

[amber fable]

Idk man...streaming is just asking for drama ig

You will be more knowned and so any shit you stir will be more apparently known

The main thing half the time is drama over most inane stuff

Its like playing ff14 mentally stunts people or something

[alpine plover]

a lot of ff14 are just terminally online and devoid of human interaction

[fierce matrix]

knocked out both splits of 9-11 in 2 hours

now we do 12 splits later this week and I get weapon since we got insanely lucky with our weapon drops

[trim frost]

nice

im schlackin

should be 781 with my last tome piece

[fierce matrix]

Ill be 788 by the end of the week

Then I just need 1 twine and a shine

well 2 shines I think

math wise I gotta do some funny stuff these next two weeks to even it all out and get everything by week 6

[rain geode]

finally theres my M9S reclear I was getting memed

[trim frost]

ideally i'll be able to merc 10 tomorrow for head+twine and then be fully done with 10 as well

[valid solar]

whats the max ilevel before ult ?

[fierce matrix]

10 gives shine

[trim frost]

thats what i meant yeah

[rain geode]

WAR got outdamaged by at least one healer every pull

[fierce matrix]

max ilvl is always the gear level of aug tome and savage raid gear

[trim frost]

twine i'll prob just pick up next week

[fierce matrix]

it does not go up for ulti

[trim frost]

trying to help a friend c41 tomorrow

[valid solar]

oh isnt the ult weapon like 5 level above raid

[fierce matrix]

no ulti is the same as raid

[alpine plover]

wait

no

[fierce matrix]

it gets one more materia slot

[alpine plover]

wait will we not have the dungeon bis gear

[valid solar]

ah I see

[alpine plover]

this expansion?

[fierce matrix]

we will

not this expansion

[alpine plover]

when

oh

ok

so this bis is the bestest bis for a long ass time

[fierce matrix]

basically yes

the only thing thatll change is ulti weapon will be basically useless

cause relic will come out

[trim frost]

nice!

[fierce matrix]

youll have like a 8 week period to kill ulti and have the weapon be valuable

once relic drops itll be kinda toast

[trim frost]

assuming dungeon ilvls are the same next expac then which one would be usable as bis

[fierce matrix]

107 dungeon

the x7 dungeon is always when gear gets outscaled

[trim frost]

ohh okay

[fierce matrix]

and if we are looking at a cap of 795

[alpine plover]

the good news is that you wont spend 1 month farming the bis

[fierce matrix]

thats the expected dungeon

[alpine plover]

for this ulti

that is, ofc, assuming that this upcoming ulti does in fact use this tier's bis

inb4 it uses the previous tier

[trim frost]

the bad news is you will be waiting ten months for the dungeon to come out

[alpine plover]

[amber fable]

795

[fierce matrix]

I lied, actually

[amber fable]

So ideally there wont be bis till 2nd tier of 8.0

[fierce matrix]

itll be the x3, the x5 is 1 ilvl EXACTLY over the cap LOL

[amber fable]

Any level 100+ will have sync

[fierce matrix]

x3 is the same as savage bis of the last expansion always

[alpine plover]

ELI5?

[amber fable]

So can't use 8.0 107 dung gear

[fierce matrix]

mixed up the numbers

[alpine plover]

leveling dungeon got the bis?

[amber fable]

No

790 will be bis

Till 8.0 2nd tier

[alpine plover]

which is what ilvl

[amber fable]

Add 130

920

[alpine plover]

ah when it gets

ilvl synced

[amber fable]

Yea

[alpine plover]

but then this gear will still be the bis

regardless

[amber fable]

Yea

[alpine plover]

yea

so this bis will bis for a while

bisically

[amber fable]

You can go all tomes with 8.0

[alpine plover]

[tawdry delta]

gear from the lv 105 dungeon (or w/e the equivalent is) will be il 796 which is one ilvl too high so it will be synced and lose melds

[alpine plover]

unfortunate

[amber fable]

Its also above 100

So it will sync

[tawdry delta]

ye

[alpine plover]

but at the same time this also assumes that

the formula remains the same

[amber fable]

Also leveling dung has shit substat

[alpine plover]

didn't yoshi p say something something they wont continue the 10 lvl stuff per expansion

[amber fable]

Usually

Its in process

We dunno if 110 will come

But I assume it will

[alpine plover]

kinda funny that the level 100

didn't end on the ... capstone(?) expansion i guess i could say it

on neither ff nor wow

[tawdry delta]

well ew was originally supposed to be 2 expansions

[alpine plover]

would've been nice if it was in legion and endwalker

[amber fable]

They can level squish

But i dunno if that will happen

[rain geode]

0

[alpine plover]

0

[west zephyr]

What

But how

[west zephyr]

Now I won't be the one to suggest or be in favour of dodge lists

But.

[alpine plover]

But.

[rain geode]

However

[west zephyr]

There are cases

Don't tell me it's a clear by the way

[rain geode]

Non-clear parses dont count in my eyes

so yes this was a clear

[west zephyr]

My condolences

[rain geode]

not looking forward to how M10S reclears are going to go

[amber fable]

There are some special cases

Who simply suck at the game

[sleek moon]

This warrior about to start terrorizing m10s parties

[amber fable]

I know this one player whos serial 0 parser since abyssos

[rain geode]

This was a reclear presumably he already was

[amber fable]

Consistent atleast

[rain geode]

I cleared M9S day 2 thankfully

[sleek moon]

I'm looking at that log in xivanalysis

It's way worse than that

[amber fable]

Sub 80 uptime

I guess

Usually 0 parse without deaths is that

[sleek moon]

Unloaded full burst before getting storm eye buff

79% uptime

[shy obsidian]

man M10S is hard as fuckkkkkkkkkkkk

[sleek moon]

Discord cutting my messages now wtf

[rain geode]

Its just crazy

[trim frost]

for playing bard btw

[dull drum]

why we posting my logs

[rain geode]

sowwy

[valid solar]

for ultimate weapons in m11 its 3 weapons, tornado bait, and then another 3 right ?

[west zephyr]

6 weapons in a row then tornado baits

Yeah they didn't think too hard on it

[deft yarrow]

til the samurai Hagakure alignment thing was rendered obselete in 7.05 and I have just doing it out of habit

[trim frost]

nvm rounding is cringe i'm like 780.83 rn

[craggy marsh]

Least edgiest DRK

[trim frost]

this is my m12 glam

[shy obsidian]

hot

[craggy marsh]

I really love how Arcadian has people making glams designed around the fights

[dapper zealot]

exactly, everything burns

[craggy marsh]

Never saw that with any other raid series

Just shows how Arcadian is peak even more

[robust shoal]

I just used glam unlock to create maximum catgirl tummy

[lyric summit]

the previous raids just never had such distinct theming

[shy obsidian]

god i should really create an edgy dark knight outfit

but like... I'm VERY picky with heavy armor idk what'll look good with the Phantom Guillotine Umbrae

[robust shoal]

I forgot to gpose in 12-2 arena again today

I also forgot to stay alive during reclears

[valid solar]

rip cats median

[robust shoal]

granted I'm on afaik about 2 hours of sleep

but man

my medians are dire right now

[valid solar]

best 99 median 36 type shit

[trim frost]

teehee

[native forge]

never slack on sleep please, if you can help it any way shape or form, take that nap. Its never worth to skip sleep if you can help it.

[robust shoal]

pretty much

[trim frost]

be nice to me i had 30 seconds left on the instance timer to take this

[robust shoal]

my body just wouldn't go lights off

[native forge]

take care of yourself

[robust shoal]

I say afaik because I was in bed for 8 hours and there were a couple times my clock seemed to skip a bit

but idr actually sleeping at all

[native forge]

lack of sleep is about the worst thing you can casually do to yourself

[robust shoal]

I also want to start pfing on the side but today was not rly a confidence booster for that

at least I got a nice 99 on blowjob brothers for the front page

imagine what I could have done on vamp on a clean run if my wk1 61 is still a 56

[valid solar]

I feel like medians are always gonna be a little cooked without luck because you cant really control other people messing up and giving you a dd/death

[robust shoal]

to a degree

[dapper zealot]

hmm is there a way to disable the security popup every time I open ACT?

[robust shoal]

I can certainly do better than this though lol

I died 5x on 9, then once+DD in 11 and once in 12-2

[valid solar]

5 times ? god damn

what was getting you

[dull drum]

vamp stomp

calling it

[robust shoal]

first one was vamp stomp bc we do a weird bat-relative strat

[dapper zealot]

lmao

[robust shoal]

then I died to autos during aetherletting

then I think I died to vamp stomp again

[valid solar]

healers asleep gg

[dull drum]

nah but fr vamp stomp is deadass the hardest mech in m9

you know that meme where its like

[robust shoal]

then I died to something else

[dull drum]

the cars can all cross at once but watch out

[robust shoal]

then I died to enrage propagation

[dull drum]

thats vamp stomp in pf

[robust shoal]

the way we do it is so monkasteer

[dull drum]

by bat relative do you mean melees/tanks pop first based on bat positions

[craggy marsh]

Pf finding a way to fuck up parallel in M10

[dull drum]

cause my static does that iirc

[robust shoal]

I go to the first bat nw ccw and popp immediately, then step out into the cleavage as bats explode, then run in as my melee pops and givs me a haircut with their aoe

idk why tanks go first instead of melee but w/e

[dull drum]

from my experience tanks go first if the starting bats were n/s

vice versa for melee if e/w

[craggy marsh]

Make her move less i guess

[dull drum]

since their starting position is also a safe zone for when the ring pops them

[robust shoal]

she still moves a bit either way

[craggy marsh]

Ye

[dull drum]

theres no perfect control over fatale ye

[dull drum]

just gotta take the l

[craggy marsh]

I appreciate this tier forcing melee players to learn that ranged attack buttons exist

[dull drum]

see jokes on them my car has built in invuln

[craggy marsh]

And giving us a justifiable reason for ranged tax

[robust shoal]

is this the pf for me

[valid solar]

learn ? in my parties they just die from greeding the literal first mech and then go "reset pls"

[dull drum]

idk my melee sounds like a dying seal when they have to hit the ranged gcd

i just take the lightning shot l

[craggy marsh]

M10 parties when the 2nd person with the tether doesnt move far enough so the 3rd guy dies

IT'S ALWAYS TETHER 2

Why

WHY

Everyone else does it fine

[valid solar]

whole fight cleanup is so real

[craggy marsh]

But tether 2 has to try and be a greed god for some reason

[dull drum]

i always go as close to the wall as possible jic

[craggy marsh]

They probably get their advice from the balance or something

[native forge]

just think about the one more cast they were able to get out

[dull drum]

i mean like in my case you literally have 0 choice

[craggy marsh]

And heard that "you should always be in melee range"

[dull drum]

you got nothing in replic 2 melee?

eat shit

[valid solar]

how it feels being a ranged in m10

[craggy marsh]

How it feels being a pld this tier

Holy spirit gaming

[dull drum]

have you seen plds parse count

its like triple the other tanks

[craggy marsh]

Yeah I HATE IT

[valid solar]

all tanks will have ranged burst in 8.0

[craggy marsh]

Those fuckers are the reason I didnt get an orange

[dull drum]

i kinda find it funny though gnb is the least played tank this tier (logged wise)

[craggy marsh]

Better than me

[dull drum]

not sure why but yeah

[craggy marsh]

Ranged and PLD are eating well this tier

Well

Atleast for 9 and 10

I havent stepped into 11 yet

[valid solar]

M11 makes me wish I had a gapclose

sword --> scythe moment

[dull drum]

11 isnt bad at all on melees but you gotta be the greedgod

once you get the flow its pt easy

[craggy marsh]

Nah ill wait till the check is less tight when I get gear

Don't wanna wipe bc Tommy dipshit got hit in orbital

[dull drum]

i always save a sprint for orbital

[craggy marsh]

When you know the run is cooked bc of that DD someone got 8 minutes ago

[dull drum]

decent indicator of hp threshold is when boss is destroying the triple boulders before split

[craggy marsh]

With M10 I need to learn to pull Blue close to Red sooner

I keep being a hair too late

So he's out of aoe range

[dull drum]

it should be like 47-48 ish for comfy kill m11

[zealous meteor]

mb im new

[dull drum]

oh during snaking?

[craggy marsh]

Ye

Snaking just causes my whole damage to go to shit

Ive been getting consistent blue parses which im happy with

But I feel like I could be doing more in snaking

[robust shoal]

the pf is gone, I should have joined it

never felt more seen by a description lol

[craggy marsh]

Might have something to do with me forgetting to target red when blue goes away

[dull drum]

yeah thats free dmg right there

[robust shoal]

but not a lot of ppl looking to practice run page run at this time ig

[craggy marsh]

Im not 100% comfortable with snaking yet despite nomnom being easy

Too busy staring at other people seeing if they fuck up

Everything else in M10 doesnt bother me

Arena split is easy enough

[dull drum]

idk ive had a lot of dumbass wipes at arena split

somehow more than aerial

[craggy marsh]

Aerial wipes make no sense

Parallel is right there

XIV players when you ask them to stand in a straight line with a tether

[dull drum]

seriously confused me how parallel aerial wasnt a day 1 consideration lol

the early TF raidplan was just like lol yolo cross them use eyes xd

[craggy marsh]

Day 1 strats are always super fucky

[dull drum]

like did no one think to NOT cross them because crossing them makes a steam explosion

[craggy marsh]

I'll never forget day 1 diamond weapon strats for flood ray where it was 1234 and 5678 on each platform

Giving you like

2 seconds to adjust

Instead of the normal one we have now

[valid solar]

I got a 42 in m10 which isnt the worst since im still using old pots but xivanalysis didnt point out any rotational issues so I guess im just going to have to figure out how to cleave more if I want better number

[dull drum]

idk imo early week parses like this are pt meaningless

nothing to stress over unless you get like

0

[valid solar]

because of gearing ?

[craggy marsh]

My parses in m10 are mid 50's which im okay with

[dull drum]

yeah

[molten moon]

Nah early week parses are also how well you optimise

[craggy marsh]

M10 will be weird for me for a bit

[dull drum]

like a pf dps vs a static dps who got fed week 1

[molten moon]

I've had week 1 parses still be blue at the end of the tier lol

[robust shoal]

[valid solar]

my favorite drk mentor would never parse a 0

[craggy marsh]

Balance mentor btw

[dull drum]

dw our first time seeing m12 p2

[craggy marsh]

They let anyone in these days huh

[dull drum]

my lindwurm 1 was a 0 locked in 1

[valid solar]

cooked

[amber fable]

It wasnt 0 atleast

[craggy marsh]

My first lindwurm 1 will be a -1

Watch me

[molten moon]

If xivanalysis doesn't have rotational issues in M10s, then it definitely is cleaving

[amber fable]

I got 8 on brd on m10 with 2 dps having savage wep too...

[molten moon]

You can do a lot with cleaves in M10s

[amber fable]

Now thats cooked

I didnt cleave or did aoe

Should hav done more of it

[craggy marsh]

M10 making me do a wack ass opener on PLD

[molten moon]

3rd or 4th floor onwards the parses are definitely affected by loot

[robust shoal]

I almost got a blue with a death+dd in 11 this wk

[amber fable]

Immediate cos and exapcion

[robust shoal]

same cannot be said for 12-2

[amber fable]

And its kinda chill

After that

[molten moon]

But 1st and 2nd floor you can still parse decently without gear if you have uptime

[trim frost]

ok this shit was happening to me too

[craggy marsh]

This is gonna sound like baby shit but I can't parse well in duo boss fights

[dull drum]

its your casters

thats the truth

your healers dont want to take 2 more steps closer to edge

so you get fucked

[amber fable]

I had 98.2 uptime with like 94 dot uptime and it was still 8

Rotational mistakes aside

Cleave do matters a lot

[molten moon]

I wonder actually

How many M10s PFs can't hit the dps check because they don't cleave enough

[dull drum]

more so an indicator of how many logs of terrible people got cleared ngl

26 dds in our reclear week 2 and nome of us got a green, all blue+ (how)

we only got through 9/10 week 1

[trim frost]

probably a lot

[dull drum]

no splits

[craggy marsh]

How many of those wipes also happen bc people forget to swap to the other brother at the end

[dull drum]

and all the gear went to sam anyway

[trim frost]

from week 1 to week 2 just actually trying to cleave improved my parse so much it's kinda insane

[zealous meteor]

damn so i could be a scholar mentor

[robust shoal]

the disesteem I forgor to cleave with is the equivalent of 3 unmends worth of potency

[fierce matrix]

There is no such thing as greed. There is only good play and bad play.

[trim frost]

i dont think that's how it works question mark

[molten moon]

Clear btw

[craggy marsh]

People wailing on the brother that has 0.1%

[molten moon]

Samurai still parsed a purple with 2 damage downs

[craggy marsh]

While the other is sitting at a comfy 8%

[dull drum]

damn we got 9 less

26 dds

cant beat 35

[trim frost]

the brotherly love buff becomes a cover buff when one of them reaches 1 hp

[molten moon]

Plus 3 deaths

[dull drum]

yeah we had deaths too iirc

[molten moon]

One on me the blm during my potted 2 mins

[dull drum]

damn yall had flails enrage

[robust shoal]

at least I didn't get dd to orbital like some people today

[trim frost]

so doing damage to one of them converts to damage to the other one no?

[molten moon]

Rip my hoarded xenos

[dull drum]

us too

[robust shoal]

I'll take that

[dull drum]

[robust shoal]

and the 99 on m10s

[craggy marsh]

Look man people somehow die to aerial anything is possible

[alpine plover]

did you all purposefully collect DDs

[dull drum]

pt sure they have to cast that uh sparkly thing

[molten moon]

No...

[trim frost]

if it works how cover is supposed to work

[dull drum]

nah bro thats just reclear life

[trim frost]

isnt that just equalizing hp

[craggy marsh]

If you fail aerial then im legit confused

[molten moon]

Misplaced plus/cross cleaved everyone

[robust shoal]

my static doesn't have a great success rate on 2-1-2 orbital for whatever reason

[molten moon]

Two times

And flail enraged

[alpine plover]

35???

[molten moon]

[alpine plover]

pls

[dull drum]

youd be shocked

[alpine plover]

i'm more impressed than dissapointed

[trim frost]

blow said brother's tight spot etc etc

[dull drum]

look at wp teams that got week 1 clears

their ass was stuck on m11s reclesrs

i forgot which team it was

[alpine plover]

35????!

[dull drum]

ok think about it

if a flail fails

[molten moon]

M9s doesn't have a dps check

[alpine plover]

i'm thinking

[dull drum]

its alr 8 guaranteed

[dull drum]

^

[molten moon]

With tome gear and a few raid accessories lol

[alpine plover]

to be fair

[dull drum]

legit a joke of a dps check

[molten moon]

None of us had M10s shit yet lol

[alpine plover]

m9s DD is also like

1% or smth

unnoticeable

but i'm still impressed cuz like

35 i genuienly have to collect like a lot

[craggy marsh]

35 dd is like

[alpine plover]

do u still get DD if you die from a mechanic that would have applied DD?

no , right?

[craggy marsh]

Getting hit by every mech

[molten moon]

Just fire the aether letting thing into the group

Twice

And fail a flail

And just general tether bat things

[fierce matrix]

matters how you died iirc

[alpine plover]

that's about 24

[fierce matrix]

if you like

[alpine plover]

let's say 28

[fierce matrix]

get hit, then get hit with another thing

[dull drum]

fire aetherletting aoe into team + flail fails

[fierce matrix]

if the first instance of damage registers a DD then you get the DD

[molten moon]

Fire aether letting twice lol

[dull drum]

easy 24 dds

[fierce matrix]

but if you die to the attack, no you dont get it

[molten moon]

Bats would also keep giving you dds if you didn't do it properly

[trim frost]

i would say yes

[alpine plover]

fair point actually

i eat DDs like snacks due to the pizza slices

[craggy marsh]

Tfw people do the bat mech correctly but they moved too far

[trim frost]

avoidable mechanics are meant to give you damage down independent of how much damage it's actually doing to you

[valid solar]

I thought hell in cell applied DD on missed tower but it doesnt, we had someone forget to move into theirs and still cleared

[molten moon]

Me the first few times I saw it

[trim frost]

if you happen to die from it that's just lol

[fierce matrix]

my favorite is when someone dies on act 2 in M12S

and then you just sit there with a tether

waiting for it to pop

taking constant DDs

[trim frost]

my reclear last week had a dps miss one of the first towers and we ended up clearing a little faster because of it lol

[fierce matrix]

I have discovered you can outlast it on a tank with invuln and some mit/healing

but you just take constant ticks and explode like every 2s

[trim frost]

same shit happens in curtain call sometimes because people don't know how to spread

[spice path]

This tier is just destroying my confidence. I'm not a 0 parse gamer. But I keep getting them. Even one death and.. 0. Meanwhile people still getting purple and dying?! I don't die and I get like... 15 at best. Grey. My analysis isn't even bad. Is it because other vipers got fed early week 1 so I got screwed doing it later in the week and not being fed, surely that can't be that big a deal. I'm ripping my hair out! I was purple in the last two tiers! Wtf.

[molten moon]

Uptime

Gear doesn't give you a grey

It's 100% uptime

[alpine plover]

how much uptime you have

[molten moon]

This tier makes melees work for your uptime

[dull drum]

not if your viper

or monk

[craggy marsh]

Yeah this tier is an uptime check

[trim frost]

there's a reason why xivanalysis labels deaths as "morbid" to your analysis

[dull drum]

i think monk is bing chilling in 10/11 iirc

only fight thats universally hell for melees is 12 ig

if your ass gets assigned defamation or nothing

for rep 2 you’re cooked

[fierce matrix]

Without having logs I can't really tell you what can help

[dull drum]

get fucked buddy

[molten moon]

My samurai got a purple parse in week 1, and it's still purple now

[fierce matrix]

but some things aren't apparent week 1

[alpine plover]

i assign you defamation

[molten moon]

And samurais get giga gear fed in HC statics

[craggy marsh]

Early week parses are always weird

[fierce matrix]

gear is a major thing tho, but strats also tend to lead to stuff

[molten moon]

It's 100% an uptime thing

[spice path]

But its like 92% (someone is probably 99 but how?)

[craggy marsh]

Wait a bit and things balance out more

[fierce matrix]

like my static does uptime for a lot of stuff that PF just doesn't

[dull drum]

92 is pt bad on viper im gonna be real

[molten moon]

92% means you spend 8% of the time doing nothing

That's a lot

[fierce matrix]

Kill times also matter

[craggy marsh]

92% uptime isnt a whole lot tbh

It sounds like it is

But it isnt

[molten moon]

97%+ is good

Anything less means you have things to improve

[alpine plover]

hides my 96% uptime

[fierce matrix]

Matters the fight too

[alpine plover]

hold up

[fierce matrix]

like you want around 95-96% on M11S

[alpine plover]

in m11s if you get knocked up

[spice path]

But im always doing something. I'm never not.

[alpine plover]

does it count

[craggy marsh]

Which fight exactly

[zealous meteor]

well 8% of the time you're clearly doing nothing

[fierce matrix]

what fight are you getting a 92% in

[alpine plover]

also are you using alex or noclippy

[craggy marsh]

If it's m10 could it be bc you're not targeting the other brother when the one you were targeting goes away

[trim frost]

im gonna need to see a log

[fierce matrix]

yeah

[trim frost]

otherwise i don't think we can provide anything beyond general advice

[dull drum]

doesnt xivanalysis rat out the times where you did nothing

[fierce matrix]

yeah new update

its hella nice

[amber fable]

When the bosses goes away and let say your on fire boss at snaking and didnt press range gcd while going to corner

[dull drum]

cause i remember reviewing by caster friends logs

pointed out the cancelled casts and times he did nothijg

[craggy marsh]

XIV analysis calling me out on my broken combos in M10

[amber fable]

Those little moments adds up

[dull drum]

xivanalysis saying i missed 8 recommended actions but thats because we didnt get the full final pot

😡😡😡😡

[spice path]

10, even 11 where im 100% on weapons (haven't cleared 11 yet)
I feel like im always throwing at least a something. Maybe a couple more writhing snaps then needed, but something.

[dull drum]

fuck this tool

[alpine plover]

me putting 1 less recommended action in FoF and ffxiv analysis eating my soul for it

[fierce matrix]

If you provide us a log we can easily help out btw

[craggy marsh]

Are you remember to target the other brother when one goes away

10 is a funky one

[fierce matrix]

but we can't really deduce anything without one, like Valcors said

[alpine plover]

10 is funky

[craggy marsh]

There's lots of ways to lose uptime in 10

[fierce matrix]

we can give you general advice but it might not even apply

[alpine plover]

for example if you have something that can cleave both brothers

[dull drum]

ngl though if you’re melee you kinda at the mercy of your tank in m10

[spice path]

Lemme is if I can pull it on my phone

[dull drum]

if they cant pull the bosses together fast enough

you just lost cleave dmg

[alpine plover]

that i wll give you more dps

[craggy marsh]

Meanwhile the tank is at the mercy of the rest of the party stacking under red during the blue buster

Please for the love of god move

[dull drum]

ikr

[craggy marsh]

Or else I have to make blue jump to Narnia

[dull drum]

i have to run to narnia so people dont die

yeah

[trim frost]

me when my cotank immediately pulls the boss to the fuckoff corner for IA1 instead of letting me cleave

[spice path]

For viper thats just RA for cleave on 2 right?

[trim frost]

wtf is RA

[fierce matrix]

if you just tell us your character name one of us can pull it up tbh

[spice path]

Reawaken

[dull drum]

uncoiled fury…

[trim frost]

uncoiled is cleave

[fierce matrix]

#1 VPR rn is also at 97%

[amber fable]

Reawaken cleave is piss

Now

[fierce matrix]

just pulled their logs

[amber fable]

85 fall off

[trim frost]

it's not good cleave (75% falloff ) but it's cleave nonetheless

[alpine plover]

take #2 or 3

not saying it's how it is but

[valid solar]

remember when reawaken only had like a 30% falloff

[alpine plover]

#1 can be crit rng

[craggy marsh]

M10 is showing us that aoe balance is fucky

Some jobs are a gain on 2

While others are 3+

[amber fable]

Most are 3

Tbf

[craggy marsh]

Unless you're a SCH

Art of War gaming

[amber fable]

Bard

Sch

[craggy marsh]

Aoe should be a gain on 2 imo

[alpine plover]

only sch and brd are gain on 2 no?

[trim frost]

sch gets +40p on 2 and ast gets +10p on 2

[amber fable]

Sch is neutral

On 2

[craggy marsh]

Could be worse tho

[dull drum]

fated circle being a gain on 2 if GF isnt up

[amber fable]

Iirc

[craggy marsh]

Could be auto crossbow on MCH

[alpine plover]

me putting circle of storms out of burst in order to cleave both brothers and xivanalysis strangling me for it

[craggy marsh]

Unless that was fixed

[alpine plover]

[alpine plover]

gg...

[craggy marsh]

Bc iirc isnt autocrossbow only a gain on 5

[valid solar]

I genuinely cannot remember the last time I used auto crossbow

[trim frost]

i believe dnc is also gain on 2

[dull drum]

basically

[amber fable]

So did se

[dull drum]

worthless

[fierce matrix]

you are going to get downtime cause of the nature of the fight tbh

[craggy marsh]

Why the fuck is there an aoe thats only a gain on 5

[valid solar]

blm aoe in the corner

[trim frost]

for when there's 5

[alpine plover]

cuz fuck mch

[valid solar]

gain on 8

[fierce matrix]

best part too is their two min isn't even aoe

wildfire charge is single target

[alpine plover]

they should honestly make all AOEs gain on 2

[craggy marsh]

SE design is weird

[amber fable]

Wildfire is trash bin button anyway

[torn kindle]

We don’t talk about Fire 2/Blizzard 2

[valid solar]

p sure wildfire explodes in an aoe no ?

[alpine plover]

[dull drum]

lol no

[torn kindle]

PVP only

[dull drum]

i wish

[amber fable]

It can go and you wont miss much

[trim frost]

this guy

[valid solar]

gg

[amber fable]

Mch player btw

[dull drum]

the only 2 min cleave you get is full metal machinist

[alpine plover]

the american skill?

[fierce matrix]

NO SIR

[amber fable]

Chainsaw rico/guass and fmf

[fierce matrix]

WE DONT ALLOW THAT HERE

[valid solar]

at least full metal is guaranteed crit

[spice path]

Well.. I apparently dropped 7 procs between them jumping around.

[valid solar]

[dull drum]

actually both the ogcds cleave in DT now

[amber fable]

I know

[dull drum]

forgot the new names but level 100 gauss and rico both cleave

so

oh

[valid solar]

thats what they said though

[dull drum]

i didnt se ethe rico gauss

lmao

[amber fable]

Checkmate and double check

[valid solar]

[spice path]

A few of my legacies didn't land at all

[dull drum]

wait edited

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[fierce matrix]

That sounds like you are not keeping enough uptime tbh. You have to play alot greedier in these fights compared to the last tiers

[dull drum]

ok neat trick for m10

the first part with the 4 tethers

[fierce matrix]

parsing aint as simple as cleavemaxx on my goated VPR class with god tier AoE this tier. There is a LOT of uptime stuff

[dull drum]

BE A TERRORIST

[amber fable]

Also like melees with 795 wep

[fierce matrix]

okay do not be a terrorist

[amber fable]

So your parse in general will be lower

[fierce matrix]

there is good play and bad play

terrorism is bad play

[dull drum]

i mean the 4 tether thing isnt hard

[fierce matrix]

optimal uptime while still doing the mech?

[amber fable]

Simply dont suck

[fierce matrix]

good play

[dull drum]

you’re just gonna freak people out probably

[amber fable]

As people call it

[robust shoal]

this was up earlier with 7/8 💀

[fierce matrix]

I always trust my teammates

[dull drum]

760

[fierce matrix]

760 ilvl is insane

[amber fable]

760

[craggy marsh]

I trust my teammates unless it's tether 2 at the start of M10

[fierce matrix]

its prob easily doable tbh

[craggy marsh]

Fuck you tether 2

I hope you die

[trim frost]

the 84% uptime i'm seeing and two deaths alone will probably not give you a zero but that in tandem with poor cleave/bad burst/etc are also significant contributors

[robust shoal]

the people who are still 760 now are exactly the people who need to not be in 760

[amber fable]

Easy way to do tethers is to be at mid and just move sidewards

Like..no need to merry go round

[trim frost]

e.g. you should not be dying during watery grave period lol

[craggy marsh]

I have no idea why tether 2 has to greed for some reason

Making tether 3 die

[trim frost]

if tether looks sus just play it safe the dps check on the add is pretty lenient

[amber fable]

Use that range gcd

Nobody will get angry

Trust

[alpine plover]

my healers not pressing any gcd heal in watery grave

only mits

[trim frost]

lobbing my shit rn

[alpine plover]

we survive but at the cost of my sanity

[spice path]

When I die in the grave, my uh.. co tethered came too close to my side and I couldn't stretch mine.

[dull drum]

we died to bubble enrage bc everyone was holding for the giga cleave thoughts

[craggy marsh]

Melee players give me a valid reason that's not a meme as to why pressing a ranged attack is so scary

Bc I cant think of a single good reason to not hit a ranged attack

[trim frost]

you don't have to social distance from the fire tether

as long as you're not stretching water tether through the add you should have enough room to stretch to the end of the arena

[amber fable]

Dont kiss for tether

You can be close

[daring pine]

mango hii

[amber fable]

But not too close

[daring pine]

cutie mango

tiny

[dull drum]

idk they told me lightning shot on gnb is forbidden

i still do it

[craggy marsh]

[daring pine]

you gotta do what you gotta do stella

[alpine plover]

mb

[daring pine]

i was tweaking the fuck out in m9s this morning

[craggy marsh]

Tfw people get their gameplay advice from the balance and never think for themselves

[alpine plover]

marce bnu

[daring pine]

this stupid fucking trologdyte of a mnk clipped me with his bat cleanse

[craggy marsh]

Put down that magazine

[daring pine]

can melees stop hanging out near the wall please

[amber fable]

Does balance say to not press range gcd or what?

[rain geode]

Its annoying I had a healer run me down earlier

[alpine plover]

dps loss

[rain geode]

But I forgave them because they were ok

[daring pine]

i almost had this happen with a tank too

[rain geode]

Wanna see something funny that happened in my M9S reclear today?

[alpine plover]

dps loss obviously means you lose dps and not that it's less optimal /s

[daring pine]

bat rng is so annoying like sometimes i can literally just sit in the corner and not move (pog) and sometimes the melees just want to fucking kill me

[craggy marsh]

Probably idk i meme on the balance bc of the past

[spice path]

Haa no. Died many times cause they too close or the water couldn't actually be stretched completely. I was on the wall. Other person was too far over.

[daring pine]

yeah

this morning

💔

[rain geode]

0

[daring pine]

gulp

[alpine plover]

88% active

[daring pine]

stella what job are u on this tier i forgot

gnb right

[craggy marsh]

88%

Erm

[alpine plover]

78% active

gulp

[daring pine]

please dont tell me that was the mt

[rain geode]

I think he was OT tbh I memory holed most of the fight

[daring pine]

its ok i had a sage with like 60 something uptime

[craggy marsh]

I think the lowest I've been active in a fight was 90% during M7 when it was those dumbass week 1 strats for tanks

[daring pine]

smile

8k dps

smile

[alpine plover]

8k dps

[daring pine]

yes

[alpine plover]

was this in like

TEA

[daring pine]

no

[alpine plover]

[rain geode]

This group took 4 pulls to clear and they died to Tank buster from full the first 3 pulls

[daring pine]

m9s

[alpine plover]

[daring pine]

bear in mind the whm was doing like

[amber fable]

Pressing mit hard

[daring pine]

22k

so whats happening here

[trim frost]

i see what you mean but i feel like you'd still have enough room to inch towards them without hitting them or the add

[craggy marsh]

Stares at the PLD's who only use sheltron for tb's

[daring pine]

@alpine plover

[craggy marsh]

Sheltron is nice for autos pls use it on them too thanks

[daring pine]

mango take a look

smile

[trim frost]

isnt effective sheltron cd like 22s under full uptime

[craggy marsh]

[rain geode]

I should go to bed so ill be well rested for M10S reclear and to start on M11S

[trim frost]

or something way lower if you're using that fuck ass garuda weapon for deep dungeon lol

[daring pine]

sleepy kitty

[rain geode]

It is like 5 am for me

but I have a soar throat so Ive been putting off sleeping

[craggy marsh]

Idk but I do know that so many people pop sheltron early

For the first 4 seconds of sheltron it's a 30% mit

[alpine plover]

awk

[trim frost]

i think all short mits are more effective in their first couple seconds

[craggy marsh]

But people like to pop in early making it only use 15% on the tb

[amber fable]

4 sec 15

8 sec 15

2 15% mit

[trim frost]

but it always ends up being the last/one of the last things i press anyway when prepping for a tb

[spice path]

Did this not kill us both? Had a few pulls where thought it was safe with them too close like that and we both died.

[amber fable]

Basically

[trim frost]

well no this is the one where you didn't stretch the tether far enough

[craggy marsh]

Sheltron stocks went up with enhanced rampart

[daring pine]

enhanced mango

[trim frost]

i'm just saying from my perspective it looks like you have a little extra wiggle room

[craggy marsh]

Enhanced Mango finds a way to be a vegetable

[trim frost]

me week 1

[trim frost]

i picked up that one today too lol

[spice path]

Well I was against the wall. And maybe it was ptsd from killing us both in other pulls where they got too far over that made me just sack instead of trying.

[trim frost]

well then yeah

dying here is like

really really bad for your parse

especially for gauge jobs

but if you really believe it's something out of your control then idk better luck next time

personally i would just assert my dominance and go to the correct position and then blame them if we wipe xd

because there is no reason for them to be going so far past the north marker

[spice path]

Yeah. The other death was stupid me not moving fast enough. There was two deaths on that one.

So yeah it sucked.

[trim frost]

yeah i see the other death

that one is just oopsy

also the mch dying to the fire lines at the start 😭???

[amber fable]

Shouldnt kill even without mit

[spice path]

Yeah thats my static so we looked back on that like what? And the tethers we had a talk about fire not going so far.

[amber fable]

Unless bro touched wall

[valid solar]

damn drop the share code

[trim frost]

https://pastebin.com/ECSXS2qj

[valid solar]

thanks

[spice path]

This weeks clear the tank had #4 and railroaded me with his trying to greed lol
We now have a running joke that I am the blood sacrifice for clears. Unfortunately my parse ;_;

[trim frost]

lowkey from what i've been hearing this tier most statics are kinda fucked

pf isn't amazing either but i was able to get through 3/4 fights week 1 in pf

[spice path]

We cleared super fast the first time. Faster then any of us had before. So reclear w2 we were still kinda learning.

[amber fable]

Well average static vs pf isnt much difference

Beside same bodies so you can be more consistent

[alpine plover]

me triangulating my mit timing with my supports in our brains feels pretty good

over pf who just

doesn't have the mits on their bars

[amber fable]

I vibe out the mit timing

Ngl

Not the best way to do it

But it works

Simple tweaks timer on boss cast bar helps a lot

Timing the rep/party mit so it covers 2 mech

[rain geode]

0

[spice path]

But okay. Try not to die, work on uptime. Are positionals worth crying over or just... true north when you know you gunna miss?

[amber fable]

Positonals are irrelevant dps wise

Ngl

But its free dps

[trim frost]

i mean don't intentionally miss positionals if you can afford to

and true north is a pretty free button

might help to sit down and analyze the specific parts of a fight you feel like you have trouble getting positionals off and making a habit of pressing true north there

[amber fable]

Like you have to try to miss positional anyway

Beside boss locked at cast and safe spot only on N kind of thing

[spice path]

I've been pretty much using TN religiously lol. But I could catch a few I dont if think more about it.

I also need to stop holding reawaken and thrn forgetting to use it when I was holding it for and then overcapping. That would probably help a lot... Oops.

[alpine plover]

if you dont reawaken in burst properly

that's an insane amount of damage lost

and the 0 is justified

unless you have 0 buffers in the team

[trim frost]

it's always 2 in burst 1 in not-burst

one in opener obviously

poor reawaken usage can contribute to other things like overcapping unnecessarily or losing personal buffs

[spice path]

We have.. a sch, and an ast? Lol do those count?
I do try to get the 1 on odds, 2 on evens. Tho sometimes the guage doesn't get filled due to downtime, so that again I need to work in for that too.

[amber fable]

Yes

Ast is 6% buff

Sch is crit

[trim frost]

https://www.thebalanceffxiv.com/jobs/melee/viper/intermediate-guide/ for your perusal

[amber fable]

Also card

[alpine plover]

if you have anything except exactly whm-sge-sam-vpr-mch-blm

then you need to burst properly

[trim frost]

preferred 2m alignment wrt serpent's ire timing

[amber fable]

You have reawaken slightly early basically

I did tried vpr on m10 and yeah during first tether mech keeping uptime helps

[trim frost]

the length of a full reawaken is something like 11s and since burst windows are 20s you have to reawaken early

[amber fable]

I missed by reawaken by 10 guage

[trim frost]

it's more important that you fit both ouroboros into burst

[alpine plover]

the big hitters during burst yuh

[trim frost]

reawaken is 750p compared to ouroboros's 1150p

80% falloff is so sad tho

[amber fable]

Basically its better to 2x ouro under buffs than to cleave with it

[thin fox]

new tier, new rin karigani drama

[valid solar]

SE goes one patch without nerfing reawaken challenge (impossible)

[dapper zealot]

7.5 90% falloff :)

[valid solar]

in 8.0 reawaken will be a single target only skill

[dapper zealot]

cleaves removed 8.0

[spice path]

;_; but yeah. I do try to do the 2 in 2min burst. Sometimes have to UF during it tho and then it doesn't all fit. Even tho the balance says it should? I'll try to time it better.

I never had issues getting 2 communios under buffs. At least I dont remember having that issue. Probably do this tier tho. And its so nerfed.

[trim frost]

uhh

outside of opener you're not using uncoiled during burst

[spice path]

I know

[trim frost]

so idk where you're seeing that the balance says it should

[spice path]

But if i have to get out of range during burst.

[trim frost]

assuming adds hold i feel like the only somewhat awkward burst would be 8:30

0/2/4/6:30 are all full melee uptime on at least one boss

and 8:30 is basically just the last surfing arc which isn't enough disengage to warrant a ranged attack

[spice path]

I just mean in general for that statement.

[trim frost]

yeah sure i guess

im no viper expert

one thing i heavily recommend if you're not doing it already is to look at the encounter threads for your job for each fight this tier

this tier has considerably more unusual recommended play than previous tiers so it's worth a look

e.g. vpr mentor recommended 0/4:30/9 pots for this fight

[trim frost]

i would simply crit better

[spice path]

Yeah I should do that.. thanks for the tips everyone. I will look into the balance threads for the fights and take your advice into how I play.

[thin fox]

I've decided

m11s is the best fight in the expansion

because it brings out drama

[daring pine]

saw this earlier, fucking hilarious

[amber fable]

Doctor bread

Guess they doughed for real this time

[dapper zealot]

Was there even anything to argue about ? Did they just straight up leave?

[thin fox]

static wanted to do 0-6-10:30

dnc did not

i think my friend had the same actually

actually crazy

[valid solar]

Is the new strategy just join statics take the loot and then leave

[thin fox]

people been doing this really

[trim frost]

quick and easy way to get nameshamed around the community

added to The Docs

[amber fable]

Like why do this?

If you wanna leave then atleast gives a heads up

I would low key wanna throat punch these mf...

If it happened to me

[normal blade]

Average static first pull be like.

[thin fox]

wtf is that

[random needle]

A gaelicat, I think?

[jade nimbus]

A mod

Prob papachin one

[valid solar]

picto motif mod

[random needle]

And yeah, it's a PCT visual mod

[jade nimbus]

https://youtu.be/Cpx2qxmAilk