endgame-lounge

[thin fox]

even though 15s mit can cover 3 weapons

[jolly flume]

I'm pretty sure

most non healer players attitude towards mit

is more or less just "we're not dead so it's fine"

which isn't entirely incorrect but at the same time

lol

[thin fox]

when I first started playing healer in high end my reaction was why the FUCK does everything do SO MUCH DAMAGE

[zealous meteor]

: "we're not dead, it's fine"
: 0/10,000 MP

[random needle]

e12s has made me work for keeping my party up and I love it

[thin fox]

i notice that if i do not rep weapons no tank will

even though its like

completely free

[low hearth]

20k healers are so goated bro

[low hearth]

almost doing tank damage 😭

[thin fox]

like thats what gets me

its

FREE mit

[jolly flume]

I'm looking at my logs from last night

[low hearth]

gotta save that for dance of domination bro

[jolly flume]

and I don't think healers really have any excuse to be doing under like 20.5k dps anymore

I have essentially no raid gear

I did 21.4k in 11 with 2 pots

and a 64 hps

[thin fox]

i do 25.3k adps in 11

i think that's ok

[queen raft]

Do players like that actually exists?

[jolly flume]

both of us are overhealing

[boreal pumice]

as someone whos done the mentor roulete , yes very much so

[loud nymph]

You know the answer to this

[queen raft]

Oh

[thin fox]

49k

[jolly flume]

just noble things

[thin fox]

no wonder samurais i know can't fucking parse in this fuck ass tier

just don't play the job that gets gearfed in statics

moron

[shy obsidian]

🥺

[jolly flume]

tbf most groups just

don't bring sam lol

[stray forge]

half of my healers in pf do 16k - dps

[boreal pumice]

meanwhile chiyo on mch

[thin fox]

well samurai and monk

[shy obsidian]

i wish randoms would give me gear

[thin fox]

i wonder how grief it would be to gearfeed a black mage

[queen raft]

I'll probably reactivate my FFXIV sub tomorrow

[stray forge]

then theres me
who does 15k dps max

[thin fox]

my friend kinda pumps on blm without much gear

[clear plume]

Many groups do gearfeed their blm

[jolly flume]

yo cooly?

[thin fox]

shes like 38k usually

[jolly flume]

someone check up on that guy

is he ok

[thin fox]

whats his ign

[stray forge]

he swapped drg

[loud nymph]

was he ever

[jolly flume]

I forgot to grab job stats at the end of week 1 this tier

🥀

I cant make an ast sch meme graph

[thin fox]

i think this is him

[stray forge]

🥀

class traitor

[jolly flume]

27?

[loud nymph]

Missed opportunity to be Fooly Cooly

[jolly flume]

that's not my goat

[clear plume]

Cooly cleared the tier yeah

[thin fox]

a 28 on reaper being 39k rdps is actually crazy

how fucking thin are the margins for error on parse

in m12

[low hearth]

yea cooly is a dragoon now

[stray forge]

its because

[jolly flume]

short fight in early weeks

[low hearth]

💔

[jolly flume]

also nobody plays rpr

[stray forge]

the only people allowed to play rpr

are the gigafed ones

[echo ibex]

Rpr sucks ass

[jolly flume]

whos feeding a rpr anyways

[stray forge]

I mean

theres some static literally named

[jolly flume]

get on monk my chud melee

[stray forge]

reaper daycare

[clear plume]

Caros static I think gear fed him

[shy obsidian]

i wanna get some practice in with the second fight but I wanna wait for my static to beat up Vamp.. what to do...

[thin fox]

my goal this week

is to see idyllic

[low hearth]

easier and does more damage

[echo ibex]

Mandatory meme

[random needle]

You're aware that Para had to leave because of school so the static is on hold now, right

[stray forge]

🥀

[shy obsidian]

oh i didnt realize

sorry

[echo ibex]

And provides support and healing

[thin fox]

rn i am

m12s p1 act 2

[clear plume]

Nvm caro is only 784 rn

[jolly flume]

revert arcane crest to 6.0

[thin fox]

going from here to idyllic

SHOULD

[jolly flume]

[thin fox]

be free

also i would like to try clear m11 on my alt

might be scary because i have not taken caster into 11

[clear plume]

R1 rpr right now is 782 too

[thin fox]

[clear plume]

Just no gear fed rpr I can see

Literally zero is crazy work

[stray forge]

im gear fed

[echo ibex]

Unironically

Do it

[shy obsidian]

i wonder if I should steal some acccessories from some poor saps for my dancer

[clear plume]

Next tier I’m getting gear fed on mch bc it’ll be meta for SURE

[stray forge]

what was 6.0 arcane crest

[echo ibex]

People put arcane crest as a big argument to bring rpr and it's like

Dude it's 100 potency

[echo ibex]

It was 200 potency healing

[jolly flume]

8.0 job identity but mch's well known job identity is being dogshit

[echo ibex]

Got downed to 100

[jolly flume]

not happening I fear

[stray forge]

8.0 rpr will be life drain for entire raid during enshroud

dw

rpr support angle

[worn bluff]

they'll hear the melees complaining this tier and make all melee 1 mins ranged

[echo ibex]

Nah

Let it be

[shy obsidian]

cough cough ninja cough cough

[echo ibex]

Filter the bad ones

[shy obsidian]

NOOO DON'T FILTER MEEEEE

[clear plume]

Wrt mch in .5 ulti

[jolly flume]

I played mch in fru because "I can smuggle gauge into final phase and dismantle is useful"

then I smuggled 20 battery into p5

and we cleared anyways

the real reason was I just didnt want to play bard because that job is to hard to play while watching youtube on my second screen

[clear plume]

(The conversation started bc somebody was asking me if I was gonna mch it bc they like stealing my homework)

[random needle]

Should have done a fight with a real DPS check

[jolly flume]

someone time machine me back into 6.3 top

I could've been the 4k dps healer that blamed crit rng for enrage

[clear plume]

You can enter 11s pf any time, same difficulty of dps check apparently

[jolly flume]

LOL

[true beacon]

have you seen their latest comics

[boreal pumice]

nah i dont reddit much these days for 14

[shy obsidian]

Vamp Fatale

[thin fox]

Ill be real

I always get scared in towers in m11s

Im worried I fuck up the invuln timing

[shy obsidian]

how scary are they

[thin fox]

its not hard but if you fuck up you just die

[jolly flume]

just don't :3

[thin fox]

as pld i just do the reverse thing

where i start with invuln

and mit the end

soooo much nicer

[jolly flume]

I might ask to do tank tank party next week

we'll see

[thin fox]

hoping to just kill fast enough to avoid having to do party?

[jolly flume]

we skip third tower if we're not hard griefing anyway

yea

[thin fox]

makes sense

[jolly flume]

even if we do see it I have like

all my stuff back

[sleek moon]

go for TTT and chill

whats the worst that could happen?

[jolly flume]

I don't think there's a point doing the third tank tower when I could just sit in it and press glare with a lilybell out

I get to pump my hps parse that way too

[low hearth]

watching the main tank invuln too early and explode

[dull drum]

i mean just share a hit then

and then pop invuln after hit 1

[thin fox]

just like hitting holmgang in ex2

[dull drum]

i havent missed a tower in m11 yet

except that one time the pld said “i thought your bolide was back up for tower 1”

almost got a 3 day ban

[jolly flume]

ok chat

thoughts

they are ranked within tiers

[dull drum]

i can agree with this

lindwurm 1 lowkey is borderline C tier though

[jolly flume]

lhw truly was a tier of despair

[thin fox]

M5 -> A, M10 -> S, M9 -> C, M2 -> D, M3 -> C

I think

2 is so much worse than 3 imo

[jolly flume]

AP1 is garbage slop but the rest of the fight is like

still just inoffensively boring slop

brute bomber is offensively boring

[clear plume]

my fav part of the fight is the 10% of it hes literally drinking a soda

[jolly flume]

throat's a bit parched

[random needle]

Let him pot :(

[worn bluff]

i like M4 for the vibes alone

[thin fox]

dude i was so fucking excited for the idea of some mechanic involving like saving the ref

it felt like such an obvious layup for a mechanic

[clear plume]

6s is so overrated by everybody tho idgi

[worn bluff]

theme wise M4 is my favorite

[random needle]

It was the first time an adds phase was interesting in like... A very long time?

[thin fox]

its funny that m9s has the exact same powerup thing but its 1 raidwide instead of a 40 second long raidwide

[thin fox]

it was the first time an adds phase was interesting

[jolly flume]

I think m5 belongs in S though, it's a really good first floor, 10 in S and 9 in C I can understand but I think 10 loses some points for basically everything up until insane air and 9 I gave some slack mechanically for being a first floor

[thin fox]

I think its S for a first floor but I just like the other fights more

[random needle]

Instead of drinking from one can, suck a whole stadium at once

-# of their aether!

[thin fox]

its def tied with p5s for me

[worn bluff]

is your tier list purely gameplay or overall?

[thin fox]

carby is such a good fight

[clear plume]

has to bve just gameplay otherwise 10s goes to the bottom holy that song is trash

[jolly flume]

can I be honest I just liked it because it walled everyone that didnt have a tab key on their kb

[thin fox]

wtf

TAKE THAT BACK

[jolly flume]

the mirror is PEAK

[worn bluff]

oh wait i thought you put M4S P1 in C tier i looked too quickly

[thin fox]

SUDDENLY I WANNA BE 😤 RIDIN’ FREE 🌊 XTREME 💥 OH BABY CAN’T YOU SEE 👀 ✂️ CUT THE LEASH ✂️ SO I CAN BREATHE 😮‍💨 NOW IN ME 💪 I CAN BELIEVE ✨ 👀 LOOK IN THE MIRROR 👀 LOOK IN THE MIRROR 👀 LOOK IN THE MIRROR 👀 AND TELL ME WHAT YOU SEE 🪞 😎 SAW THE ME THAT I WANNA BE 😎 IN THE MIRROR 🏄‍♂️ RIGHT WHERE WE OUGHTTA BE 🏄‍♂️

[clear plume]

it only appeals to people who would also wear a leash

[thin fox]

got a problem w that buddy?

[jolly flume]

officer I would like to invoke my fifth amendment rights

[zealous meteor]

and?

[jolly flume]

it's gameplay only tho

I can do a separate one for musuic

[quick verge]

music

m8 - S

rest

who gaf

[thin fox]

tier list of all the arcadion voicelines

[random needle]

We're blasting your eardrums with Sum 41 and blink 182 until you get good taste

[quick verge]

uhhhh

[thin fox]

SSS tier - I DO LIKE TOYING WITH MY PREY

[quick verge]

every metem line is a vocal stim

[thin fox]

[shy obsidian]

always makes me swoon when i hear it geez

[random needle]

This makes me wonder what the most iconic Metem line from each fight is

[shy obsidian]

the Xtremes are stuck in my head btw

please help me

I can't stop thinking of their voicelines

[thin fox]

all of the m12s phase 2 metem lines are "wtf is going on "

[shy obsidian]

Gabbro was smoking some shit there

[thin fox]

metem vocal stim for me is

of course

EGADS

[dull drum]

i was always an m5s defender glad it survived against m1 and m9 slop

[thin fox]

something is GROWING FROM HER BODY

[quick verge]

EGADS

[worn bluff]

overall vibe/theme

[tall ore]

“She’s grown wings how wickedly divine” is seared into my brain

[worn bluff]

lindwurm 1 D tier

[random needle]

It's begun! She's draining the audience!

... Of their aether!

[shy obsidian]

UGH, WHAT A DRAG! LET'S DO THIS TOGETHER, BRO!

[clear plume]

sorry but everything burns isnt going d tier

[jolly flume]

music, taking into account the theme of the fight

[thin fox]

bzzt

wrong

try again

put that m6s theme back up in peak buddy

[jolly flume]

oh hell no

[thin fox]

the way the theme comes in

[quick verge]

top 3 worst tier lists ive ever seen

[thin fox]

during add phase beginning

[quick verge]

gj my man

[thin fox]

is actually

[shy obsidian]

THE LINDWURM??? THAT HIGH????

[thin fox]

SO perfect

[random needle]

m6s is literally Splatoon music for the Splatoon boss

[worn bluff]

i do think the song is the best part of it. the aesthetic of the boss though eh

[jolly flume]

drawing board

literally hurts my ears

[clear plume]

i had to mute it yeah

[jolly flume]

what the fuck is blud even rapping about

one two three four she'll take you to the count of four

[zealous meteor]

you would not survive a day in splatoon.

[jolly flume]

how about three two one zero I'm taking your volume down to zero

[quick verge]

im js

heavyweight music is borderline unlistenable

[worn bluff]

nothing rhymes with orange

[thin fox]

https://youtu.be/4BwTz9u5tVc?si=9PBWJC5BL3fHrB_v&t=35 @ 35s

it just makes you

[random needle]

NOW WE COME TO ORANGE
GOTTA RHYME SOMETHING WITH ORANGE
'CEPT THAT NOTHIN' RHYMES WITH ORANGE
THINK THAT I'LL JUST WORK WITHOUT ORANGE

[thin fox]

think of adds

[worn bluff]

M9 music is ok as game music but if i heard it randomly on spotify i'd think it's weird

[quick verge]

vtuber music that your weird friend links you and swears to you its peak

[jolly flume]

yeah I opened this and hit play for ten seconds and I already want to blast my eardrums out with an air compressor

[worn bluff]

it does sound like vtuber music

not that it's bad just

[random needle]

If I were running a dungeon, m9 theme would not be my first pick for the music from XIV raids

I'd probably go for Scream tbh

[thin fox]

tell me rn chiyo that m6's theme doesn't PERFECTLY fit the fight

[random needle]

... I think Scream and Sinister have the same vocalist? I vaguely remember hearing that

[worn bluff]

idk feels like the vocals needed something else

i feel the same way about scream

[jolly flume]

that doesn't mean I fucking LIKE it

[thin fox]

actually yk what drawing board makes me think of

it makes me think

[random needle]

The vocals are a lot clearer on Scream than on a lot of other XIV songs I think

[clear plume]

i have bee my honey playing in my fc house

[jade nimbus]

Sadly ffxiv peaked in hw

With brute justice

[thin fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8dDZ6S__70

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[jade nimbus]

https://youtu.be/H6FUBWGSOIc

[jolly flume]

do not compare creepy nuts

to that garbage

[quick verge]

LMFAOOOO

ragebaited

[low hearth]

fun fight fr

[jade nimbus]

It is that easy baby

[random needle]

I literally cannot remember what the m3 theme is like even when I try to remember it

[jolly flume]

it sucks ass

[random needle]

Not Afraid completely mogs it

[thin fox]

i like m3 theme

now m1 theme

i literally do not remember

[quick verge]

which fight is m1

[thin fox]

all i remember is it sounds like we have persona 5 at home ahh music

[jolly flume]

my tank said this when we were progging 12p2

[jade nimbus]

Mhm, I like m1

[thin fox]

black cat

[jolly flume]

"square enix did the impossible"

"they made the brute bomber theme sound good"

[random needle]

I like the m1 song, it has nice energy for the first floor of an entire raid series

[jolly flume]

it's not a bad song

[jade nimbus]

Also isn't it technically the same genre

[jolly flume]

it just lacks character

it's not memorable

[random needle]

Yeah, it's more of a general Arcadion theme and not so much a Black Cat theme

[jade nimbus]

Ye, but I like it as a general raid theme tbf

[jolly flume]

it's like

the ancient shackles of arcadion

just not as shit

[quick verge]

ancient shackles

😭

[jolly flume]

because we didn't have to listen to it for three floors

[random needle]

Give It All is peam though

[jade nimbus]

Tbf arcadion is peak just cause each fight has a different theme

[random needle]

Yeah, hopefully they're able to continue that in the future

Or at the very least like, maybe one repeated song per tier

[jolly flume]

arcadion music is

uniquely memorable because we're fighting actual characters

and not monster of the week

[random needle]

Also true

[jolly flume]

like you can make good songs

[quick verge]

what the fuck is a hippokampos

isnt that a part of the brain

[jolly flume]

but I'm not convinced they can make another raid tier where the music is so character driven

[quick verge]

like

😭

[random needle]

I guess they did it a tiny bit in Eden with the primals all getting unique songs, but that's kind of a weird case

[jolly flume]

even then it's just redos of their original themes to a large degree

and don't get me wrong a bunch of them are great

but by and large it's not nearly as cohesive as arcadion especially since almost all the songs are lyrical this time

[random needle]

Also fair

Plus I think literally all the songs in the alliance raids this time are direct rips from FF11, so they could focus more composing effort on writing stuff for Arcadion

[zealous meteor]

actually the only ones that aren't are just... different versions of songs that do have lyrics
it's showtime -> give it all
and burning souls -> not afraid

[trim frost]

being forced to combine ifrit and garuda’s themes because both of them are violently mid on their own

[zealous meteor]

they are

[random needle]

Of the 2.0 primals, Titan does kinda mog both Ifrit and Garuda, so that tracks

[thin fox]

wtf

[jolly flume]

UNDER THE WEIGHT

[thin fox]

you shut your mouth

[jolly flume]

UNDER THE WEIGHT

[thin fox]

garuda theme is goated

[jolly flume]

UNDER THE WEIGHT

IN HELL I WAIT

[jade nimbus]

Also like the majority of bosses in Arcadion looks good

[random needle]

And Shiva mogs Levi and Ramuh... No wonder Titan and Shiva get to be capstone raids

[jade nimbus]

There is a good chunk of fights in the raids that are pretty whatever

[jolly flume]

🗣️ falling too fast for the fear to embrace me

[dull drum]

wait titan shiva

JUST LIKE FF16

[jade nimbus]

Carbuncle, the tree, Cocytus from Panda

[dull drum]

HOLY SHIT

[worn bluff]

omega had some lame ones like alte roite and chaos

[quick verge]

newgen opinion calling chaos lame

😭

good ragebait

[trim frost]

it’s showtime has a little bit of unleashed in it too

[random needle]

Chaos is neat though :(

[worn bluff]

basically only the final bosses of each omega tier were cool to me

[trim frost]

so it’s more just an overarching arcadion theme

[dull drum]

chaos was a good first floor tf is this ragebait

[jade nimbus]

Chaos is sadly peak

[dull drum]

😡😡😡

[random needle]

Alte Roite and o2s are meh as hell though tbh

[jade nimbus]

Like a good first tier fight

[worn bluff]

i just mean aesthetics wise

i didn’t do the savage

[clear plume]

????

[quick verge]

ragebait

[random needle]

Not even good bait

[quick verge]

mch guy

how many chaos kills u got

[worn bluff]

[random needle]

Of the Eden MiNE fights I've done, I'm trying to think which was the lamest

... Actually wait, it'd have to be e7s

[quick verge]

e7

[jade nimbus]

E7

[trim frost]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G_Eizo0WgAAtlkZ.gif

[random needle]

We literally cleared it on the same session I joined

[jade nimbus]

E1 is also kind whatever

[random needle]

And then we spent 2 months in e8s, peak

[jolly flume]

me when I blow fire across the arena

wow

[jade nimbus]

But e7 is worse

Also e9 was good for a first floor too

[odd beacon]

[random needle]

e9 was pretty good, yeah

[random needle]

Nice variety, the funniest mechanic possible

[quick verge]

people remember e9 fondly because of the pvp

[jolly flume]

biscuit holding in the word tileslop so hard rn

[random needle]

e10 was... It was alright I think

[quick verge]

codslop

we have 3 cod fights

give it up square

ff3 was like

40 years ago

[random needle]

e10 feels like a modern fight with how much it spams half room cleaves

[quick verge]

e10 was just mirror cleaves from shiva: the fight

[random needle]

e11 was fun, even if it was pretty straightforward past a certain point

[quick verge]

and shield stacking so you didnt have to do mechanics

[jolly flume]

I'm like 50/50 on cycles being fun and cycles being boring

because they're fun to do kinda but the concept is kinda lame

[random needle]

We only saw cycles into enrage like once

[loud nymph]

I don't remember e11s a lot but what I do remember I liked

[random needle]

I got a chuckle out of it having full downtime mechanics though

And e12... I was tilted at it for a while when we were getting walled at Junction Shiva, but now that we've gotten good and are getting past Titan more consistently, it's kinda fire

We saw lions twice last night I think

[jolly flume]

it's pretty great

here's a mechanic

it's not complicated

now do it or blow up

[echo ibex]

Anything but clear 12

[odd beacon]

cycles is boring

[quick verge]

wait... didn't gaia do something like this?

funniest ass line

[odd beacon]

even e2 cycles was more fun

[echo ibex]

What cycles

[odd beacon]

e11

[random needle]

e11s, the last mechanic before enrage

[echo ibex]

Never did e11

[jolly flume]

e2 cycles is like

the entire fight

[odd beacon]

e2 cycles is so much more relentless

since it spawns those adds

[dim pollen]

I swear every tuesday I run into parties that can't kill adds for some reason

[odd beacon]

11 is walmart cycles

[echo ibex]

M9 gonna have the worst ones for obvious reasons

[dim pollen]

I just want to practice m10 T_T

[stray forge]

What’s cycles

[odd beacon]

e11

[stray forge]

☠️ what’s e11

[random needle]

The boss has three variants of a line AOE, proteans, and tether mechanics that are repeated through the fight, telegraphed by fire, lightning, or light on the sword

Cycles does the line, protean, and tether mechanic of a single element in rapid succession, then repeats it for the next element, then the last element

[stray forge]

And don’t say cycles 💢

[jolly flume]

fatebreaker's three main mechanics but b2b2b

[odd beacon]

tbh e11 was sleeper as a whole

[echo ibex]

Oh, that

[echo ibex]

Phainon crashout.gif

[odd beacon]

downtime mechs

[random needle]

Eden's Promise: Anamorphosis, the 11th fight in the Eden raid series in Shadowbringers

[jolly flume]

e11 was a pretty decent floor

[quick verge]

e10 deez nuts

LOL

[jolly flume]

shut up

[odd beacon]

its probably more fun as healer

but its pretty much an epitome 3rd floor

[random needle]

As a healer, it was pretty fun

[odd beacon]

10 was fun though

[stray forge]

33550336

[random needle]

e12 has been fun so far too

[worn bluff]

i wish to have your logs one day

[odd beacon]

the funniest thing about 10 is that if u gearsync it 2min meta doesnt fit it at all

same for 12p1

[worn bluff]

i want to alternate best logs as 99 and 0 for each consecutive floor so people wonder what's with me

[echo ibex]

Wonder how these fights will age in idk

6 years

[random needle]

I just checked, and apparently we got e12sp1 to about 35% around the time lions happens

[stray forge]

Cactbot and whatever the hell tells you what to press in your rotation on vs off

[jolly flume]

oracle is still my like

second favorite savage floor in the game

unfortunately lindwurm kicked it off of first

[odd beacon]

i like p12p1 more

superstring theory my beloved

[jolly flume]

that one is also really fun yeah

I just think relativity is cooler

[stray forge]

I’m parking illegally

[true beacon]

Superchain Theory

[odd beacon]

oops

yes

[stray forge]

10 ft from hydrant instead of 15

[echo ibex]

Press glare press glare press glare press glare press glare press glare press glare press dia press glare press glare press glare

[quick verge]

how was p12-1 so good and 12-2 so bad

[random needle]

Mid Glitch failed, prepare to explode

[jolly flume]

honey it's time for classical

[random needle]

Now I kinda wanna make a tierlist of the savage fights I've cleared (or have basically cleared, hi m9)

[worn bluff]

axolotl mount should have a button to make classical shapes pop up

[quick verge]

axolotl mount should periodically remove itself from your mount guide if you dont clear the fight mine

that would be really funny

[loud nymph]

honestly I'm going with "p12p2 music was shit"

[random needle]

... Actually I dunno if I've done enough for a full tier list, but I at least wanna rank them

e11s, e8s, e9s, e10s, m9s, e7s, o1s

[worn bluff]

caloric counter for you moving on the mount

after a certain distance you just explode

[undone tide]

m12s is probably my favorite savage floor since e12s

[rain geode]

M5S > M10S >M9S there's my tier list

[random needle]

o1s just straight up is not a savage fight

[loud nymph]

wasn't it cleared on literally the first pull ever

[random needle]

e8 and e11 could probably switch places in my list, e8 just burned me a lot for how long I was stuck on it and for how much filler there is between the interesting mechanics

[jolly flume]

e8s does not deserve the glaze it gets

pretty good fight yes

peak no

[random needle]

Having Light Rampant does not a peak fight make

[jolly flume]

and no light rampant is not that hard 😭

[quick verge]

e8s so good there's no week 1 clear data

dont fact check this

[sinful brook]

i do think the vibes of e8 hold it up higher for me

[random needle]

8 does have pretty good vibes yeah, once you're in p2

[quick verge]

you gotta do e8s in the middle of a freezing winter

that's how you vibemaxx

[random needle]

Every time I hear Footsteps In The Snow, I want to throw a brick through a window

[jolly flume]

do it outside naked in the snow

your blood shall freeze

[sinful brook]

return of oblivion is a banger and the guitar riff is great to headbang to while you forget to kb immune during mirrors and you kill your party as tank

[quick verge]

return to oblivion

[worn bluff]

gotta do m12s p1 in a sewer for the vibes

[random needle]

The Return To Oblivion cover in FRU is genuinely peak

[sinful brook]

you do p2 wearing a weighted blanket for true gravity experience

[quick verge]

no

you need to smoke a pack a day for 50 years

and throw your tumors out during mechanics

[sinful brook]

you do p2s in a sewer for the vibes

[worn bluff]

[jolly flume]

I don't have the facilities in my place of residence to do m9s with the vibes

wrong reply

[sinful brook]

you have to stream heated rivalry while you do m10s

[random needle]

Watching clips of FRU and seeing the guitar solo pop off during enrage cast, followed by the feedback noise during the victory cutscene as Pandora fades

[quick verge]

watching clips of fru and

nvm

[random needle]

Share with the class.

[quick verge]

nah

[sinful brook]

watching clips of dsr and

seeing bongo delay a defam

exploding biscuit

peam

[quick verge]

how do you remember that

[dull drum]

chatgpt generate me an ai video of someone cheating in FRU p5 on mch

[random needle]

Watching clips of DSR and seeing me run directly into fire during wroth flames

[worn bluff]

gameplay wise FRU final phase is meh but it's got cool vibes

[random needle]

https://imgur.com/a/nSr7bPx

[jolly flume]

the enrage is pretty chills

I'll give it that

[worn bluff]

pandora box is cool with the voice lines

raaah my head

[random needle]

"If this place cannot be our utopia... Then naught in existence holds meaning!!"

[jolly flume]

I need this cacophony on the soundboard

[worn bluff]

play it whenever raid lead is doing callouts

[random needle]

Begone from my memories! Every last trace of you!!

[stray forge]

why did they died

[loud nymph]

damage

[stray forge]

smh they forgot to feint

[jolly flume]

darkness vulnerability up

[stray forge]

:^(

[random needle]

Look at what the MCH is doing

[jolly flume]

it's a wild charge

[loud nymph]

lmao I entirely missed the MCH at first

[dull drum]

i wonder if the mch quit

after the fru drama

[random needle]

Wild charge in addition to the light/dark lines changing sides sometimes? The casts are Polarizing Paths and Polarizing Strikes I think?

[loud nymph]

just vibing all the way over there

[random needle]

Apparently someone found them in the wild recently

[jolly flume]

it targets based on proximity to each side of the boss, and the frontmost player in each stack takes a vuln of that element and needs to swap over

or you get splooshed

[loud nymph]

that doesn't seem hard at all

[shy obsidian]

How do yall have the patience to do ultimates lol
So much complex stuff to remember and you have yo do everything in order

[jolly flume]

it isn't hard

in fact it's piss easy

p5 is a pretty disappointing phase mechanically

except the tank towers that shit is fun af (if you're the tank)

[random needle]

Most ult final phases aren't very hard mechanically

[loud nymph]

I never made it past p2, maybe some day

[worn bluff]

i heard TOP final phase is actually hard though

idk

[jolly flume]

it's kinda hard

[dull drum]

i mean its a thing where like

once you put in 500+ pulls

[jolly flume]

there's nothing complicated about it though you kinda just

[dull drum]

its engrained into brain matter

[random needle]

It's that it took you like 15 minutes to get to that point, and one choke can send you all the way back to the start

[jolly flume]

dodge and press mit

[random needle]

It's a nerves check

[jolly flume]

the dodges are just more involved than the other ultimates

[dull drum]

SQUARE ENIX

GIVE ME VOICED TOP AND MY LIFE IS YOUR

[tawdry delta]

It's hard because no one can die outside of maybe towards the end

[random needle]

And you need to have an unsevered brainstem for doing LBs in the right order, like not doing prange LB before caster LB

[remote gate]

do you agree endgame lounge

[random needle]

This person wouldn't survive TOP

[jolly flume]

reading those debuffs when shit was happening was annoying but that was far from the largest design issue in endwalker

[worn bluff]

it wasn't the worst thing but yeah it was annoying

[jolly flume]

and p10 was pretty good otherwise

[remote gate]

what was the worst

[jolly flume]

gestures at 6 and 7 in abyssos

[random needle]

I just keep my debuffs at max size and put them in a place I'll notice if anything changes

[jolly flume]

haha 6 7

[dull drum]

67????

[worn bluff]

how could 6 7 be bad

[jolly flume]

the annoying bit was that like if it's light parties only two people would get the 4 stack debuff

so the nothings have to look at pt list

[remote gate]

6: cacexia I guess?
7. the entire fight

[jolly flume]

same with pairs

[random needle]

Ohhhhhhhhh, that's annoying

So sorta like the debuff assignment in Wroth Flames?

[loud nymph]

cachexia was fine

[jolly flume]

yea but it's rng if you spread pairs or lps

[worn bluff]

??

[loud nymph]

it was the rest of 6 that was ass

[jolly flume]

and there's also two of those that go off in a random order

[queen raft]

I wouldn't survive this. Most of the time I only glance at the debuff icons about once every 90 seconds unless it's right after being directly targeted by a TB

[jolly flume]

so you gotta squint and see which one has a lower timer too

nothing crazy but annoying for sure

[stray forge]

H in bubble 🤤 lewd

[worn bluff]

why say 776+ and then set to 765

[remote gate]

i never made it past cachexia because i was not savage ready when I did it

[loud nymph]

cachexia was like the one actual savage mechanic in p6s

[random needle]

If you have any intention of getting into high end more, it'd probably be a good idea to keep your debuffs in a spot you can easily see them, since certain fights make them central to some mechanics

[loud nymph]

cachexia 2 existed too I guess but you skipped it after like w2

and if you didn't skip it you were tank lbing it

[worn bluff]

is M12 P1 fun? i see some stuff that looks P6 esque

[jolly flume]

my debuffs are like 180% dead center over the target castbar

this is because I did ucob as my first raid and lightning is a bitch

[queen raft]

I keep them at the bottom of my screen beside my HP bar.

[jolly flume]

it kinda sucks ngl

[loud nymph]

most of the rest of p6 was just dodge cones

[queen raft]

Because that's eye level for me

[loud nymph]

and do predictable swap things

[jolly flume]

by far the weakest fight in the tier

[rain geode]

I don't want to do reclears

[worn bluff]

so my reward for beating m11 is that.

[random needle]

Your reward is m12sp1 and p2

[jolly flume]

yeah but your reward for beating the door boss is cinema

[remote gate]

ill do mine with you i promise i use my mitigation

[jolly flume]

and at least the doorboss is a very easy prog

took us 20 less pulls than 11

86 to I think 66

[remote gate]

i asked this once but im gonna ask it again bcuz I dont remember the answer

[loud nymph]

is m12sp2 fun at least

[remote gate]

does everything burns hit different in m12s

[jolly flume]

best savage fight ever made

that i've done anyway

[loud nymph]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic

[jolly flume]

but i've done most of the modern ish ones

i'm not

[loud nymph]

oh wow ok

[tawdry delta]

It's mid

[loud nymph]

I look forward to getting there

in like a month or two lmao

[boreal pumice]

dw kinger next week your have a tome wpn

[low hearth]

If there ain't a wave to ride, just make one yourself! 🏄🏿‍♂️

[random needle]

I wonder how much time I'll be able to focus on progging for the week

If I get lucky, clearing 9 today shouldn't be hard, and 10 has... a lot to remember, but it doesn't seem so awful on casters

[fierce matrix]

Its peak

[jolly flume]

10 is just a really simple execution fight

notably with banger music

[dull drum]

its the “i have to get through this shit” to get to the cool part

basically

[loud nymph]

10 has a lot going on but is really not so bad once you get a feel for it

[fierce matrix]

P10S is also up there for me as a peak fight, and P8S P1

Eden has a lot of bangers too

[random needle]

I'm kinda glad it's not super cleave heavy because BLM AOE is turbo cancer

[jolly flume]

yeah it's just a couple small cleave windows

a couple more if your tanks are good about it but most aren't

[low hearth]

fun fight fr

[dull drum]

mortal slayer is such a

nothing burger

[jolly flume]

yeah I have no idea how that made it into the fight TWICE

[loud nymph]

I thought insane air was gonna be a clusterfuck but it's really not bad

Snaking is a lot but you just gotta focus on what you're doing and pray the other lp doesn't fuck up

Arena split is just remember the order of operations and pray you get deep blue on your side

[dull drum]

nah deadass ima be fr

[jolly flume]

once I would've already been like yo this shit sucks

[loud nymph]

IA2 is easy

[jolly flume]

twice is crazy

[loud nymph]

and alley oop combo is a joke

[random needle]

IA is the one where you have to read the surfboard icons, right?

[loud nymph]

Yea

[jolly flume]

bruh the wendy's on campus closed

[stray forge]

ur asking for too much. get aoe'd haha

[random needle]

Fire side of snaking seems harder than the water one, but it should be manageable to learn both

[loud nymph]

I honestly found fire easier to learn

because you just

[jolly flume]

other way around actually

[stray forge]

agreed fire is easier

[loud nymph]

Puddles -> more puddles -> jumps

-> bait

[jolly flume]

because fire never has to deal with the consequences of their aoe placement

oh snaking not ia

ignorege

[random needle]

IA2 looks weird, but I think that's because toxic friends sucks at explaining how things work

[low hearth]

getting sniped by a water protean across the arena during snaking 🔥

[random needle]

I need to check the Hector vid for that

[loud nymph]

IA2 is just start at the boss matching your debuff, then swap when it's your turn to swap

[trim frost]

IA2 is just IA1 with slightly longer castbars so you have time to swap

[loud nymph]

tanks swap at the tb

otherwise H -> M -> R

[low hearth]

👉 🔻

[loud nymph]

e.g. melee only ever swaps on 2 or 3, ranged only on 3 or 4

Healers don't have to think at all and can just pre swap regardless of what's first

so that's nice

[random needle]

Mkay mkay

[jolly flume]

being a healer in 10 is nice

the calm before the storm

[random needle]

Arena split also looks like kind of a pita, but it seems slightly less bad as ranged

[loud nymph]

Arena split really isn't too bad it mostly just sucks for the far melee/tank

[fierce matrix]

Melee during that is annoying

[loud nymph]

otherwise it's just

[random needle]

m9 and m10 both seem to love harassing the melees

[loud nymph]

puddles -> proteans -> finish proteans -> dodge explosions -> knockback + light party stack -> dodge more explosions

pretty ez honestly

oh I guess there's pair stacks in there too

[random needle]

Yeah 10 seems pretty manageable

[worn bluff]

snaking is basically just a bunch of things in sequence which is a learning curve for newer raiders

[random needle]

... I'm starting to worry that doing DSR has jaded me to Savage tier mechanics

[loud nymph]

I think it's this plus you have no way of guaranteeing which debuff you get so you gotta learn both

[worn bluff]

snaking is like a baby version of BJCC

[random needle]

Everything is light work compared to Sanctity of the Ward

[loud nymph]

tanks positioning the bosses right is also very important on snaking

[jolly flume]

the evil and intimidating idyllic dream

[worn bluff]

people who only MT or OT M10S like... man it's almost identical

[random needle]

Idyllic Dream sounds like it's gonna be fun

[jolly flume]

it's like a mid level ultimate mechanic

[random needle]

Though if I'm PF warrioring, it's gonna be a while before I get there

[jolly flume]

I don't think it'd feel out of place in one

[loud nymph]

I am really looking forward to 11

[random needle]

I've seen speculation about it being a reworked scrapped FRU mech, so

[stray forge]

still thinking 9 and 10 just aren't bad

still scared to do 11

[worn bluff]

11 is harder but i wouldn't say it's particularly fun

[jolly flume]

I'm not completely convinced on that front but yeah the difficulty is there

[loud nymph]

9 is a very straightforward fight

[sleek moon]

11 is pretty easy to learn

its just a shit fight

[random needle]

Yeah, 9 is really straightforward

[jolly flume]

I like 11 a lot personally

[loud nymph]

I honestly think it might be the easiest first turn in DT

[jolly flume]

very get good fight

and a lot of people couldn't get good

[worn bluff]

i'm fine with that part it's just

weapons are boring

boring + you still have to pay attention

[random needle]

I only watched the Hector vid for m5, but m9 definitely seems easier

[jolly flume]

maybe this is just healer pov

I find it pretty engaging tho

[random needle]

It helps that m9 has less memorization mechanics like A-side/B-side

[sleek moon]

m9 has the hardest mechanic of all for pf

"find north"

[random needle]

Truth nuke

[stray forge]

this exist in every fight with a raid plan

[jolly flume]

I still think the whole snake prio thing for cells is so unnecessary

[stray forge]

[random needle]

It's not like you have 40 seconds after SS2 to point your camera at A where absolutely nothing is happening

[worn bluff]

m9 is kind of a zombie fight where i mostly don't remember any of the mechanics but wing it

[jolly flume]

just have everyone take the tower at their clock and one person flexes for the tank if it's both tank jails

[loud nymph]

m5 genuinely just had a lot more going on

[jolly flume]

simple ez mechanic

[sleek moon]

suddenly 2 people try to flex for the tank

[worn bluff]

as a tank i'm fine with it because it's just a normal mode mechanic for me

[loud nymph]

honestly 9 falls off so much after ss2

[stray forge]

isnt that

the end of the fight

💀

[loud nymph]

No?

[random needle]

Undead Deathmatch is fine I think

[worn bluff]

bunch of filler after

[random needle]

But it's nothing too exciting

[jolly flume]

idk any of the names of shit in 9 ngl

everything is just a raidwide to me

[loud nymph]

hell in a cell and undead deathmatch are both yawn inducing

[random needle]

SS2 is the adds phase with flails and doornail

[loud nymph]

then you have undead deathmatch but easier for some reason

[random needle]

Hell in a Cell is towers, Deathmatch is the bats and chains

[worn bluff]

everything is a raidwide if your team is bad enough

[stray forge]

oh i thought

[jolly flume]

unfortunately true

[stray forge]

ss2 was the bats and chains

wtf

LMAO

[sleek moon]

what 9 needed was a limit cut to go with undead deathmatch

[loud nymph]

no, that's undead deathmatch (how will the challenger respond)

[random needle]

It's fucked up because like

[worn bluff]

i remember in prog some healers would mit orbital omen like a raidwide

[sleek moon]

there's a lack of limit cuts

[worn bluff]

because they knew

[random needle]

SS2 is Sadistic Screech 2

But there's also a cast called Sanguine Scratch

[jolly flume]

chainsaw bleeds are just a part of the mechanic

[random needle]

And she does it twice

[stray forge]

ohhh

thats why

im pretty sure the aoes during bats and chains

[loud nymph]

sanguine scratch is the pizza slices by themselves with no bats right

[stray forge]

are called sanguine scratch

[random needle]

Ye

[loud nymph]

yeah see that's shit

[stray forge]

thats why i thought it was ss2

[loud nymph]

so boring

[random needle]

I feel like that should have been done earlier in the fight, maybe replace a Vamp Stomp with it

[stray forge]

its boring and yet....

the amount of times ppl in my pfs died to it

[valid solar]

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-ff14-ffxiv-dsr-ff14-dsr-dsr-gif-9884441968614027983

[stray forge]

despairge

[jolly flume]

during that part I could literally hear "I have no choice but to surrender to electrope"

[sleek moon]

its a caster bait mechanic

[loud nymph]

yeah I don't know what they were thinking with like

[sleek moon]

though somehow ranged gets hit

[loud nymph]

Making the same mechanic as undead deathmatch but also making it easier

[random needle]

uses Triplecast what mechanic

[jolly flume]

they put slop at the end of the fight so you skip shit that doesn't matter when you get gear

[random needle]

That makes sense honestly

[jolly flume]

they learned from raining cats

[loud nymph]

fair, I guess they don't want another raining cats situation

[wicked delta]

Is raining cats a real mechanic

Never saw it

[jolly flume]

no

[loud nymph]

no lol

[jolly flume]

skipped it week 1 with deaths

cool fight

[random needle]

Sorta like how the last minute of m11s is just J waves

[echo ibex]

Mech sucked anyways

[jolly flume]

it only sucked because everyone couldn't comprehend the concept of proximity baits

[worn bluff]

J waves except it's just the tanks on fire

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[sleek moon]

we spent like 10 mins arguing about which strat to use for raining cats for my group, and then we didnt see it

[jolly flume]

I think we cleared cat in

6 pulls

[worn bluff]

i think 9 is easier than 1

just bc i don't remember anything about 9 every week and it's still fine

[loud nymph]

fun fact, for LHW my group had this I swear to God wallet legend as m2 who could not stand still for baits so we had to give ranged the job to bait instead

[valid solar]

[jolly flume]

pf would have a 50% lower clear rate on 9 if static aetherletting didn't exist

[wicked delta]

M1S was impossible content bc I was shitfaced drunk

[sleek moon]

pf would have a 100% 1 pull 1 clear on 9 if melees didnt murder each other with vamp stomp

jk there's still "find north"

[loud nymph]

it's true

[stray forge]

idgi

[wicked delta]

Promise to buy taco bell for your pf and everyone locks in

[random needle]

They'd also be throwing themselves on buzzsaws

[stray forge]

vamp stomp was literally easiest mechanic

[wicked delta]

It worked for me

[valid solar]

snake prio towers is something a shocking amount of people fuck up

[sleek moon]

is that the second one? if so that's a healer issue

[random needle]

SS2 is the one with buzzsaws

[jolly flume]

stop giving me more issues

[stray forge]

snake prio towers?

[jolly flume]

i hate you all

[stray forge]

give chiyo more issues

[random needle]

And it's not a healer issue, it's a "use your fucking eyes" issue

[wicked delta]

Heal you fucking green box

[loud nymph]

buzzsaws is intermission 2 ye

[sleek moon]

which means its a healer issue

[wicked delta]

Why else would we have you here

[sleek moon]

they will make it the healer's issue

[valid solar]

undertaker mankind copypasta (hell in cell)

[jolly flume]

no!!!!

[sleek moon]

free bleed for days

[rain geode]

honestly screech two is the mechanic I see people mess up the most in M9S

[thin fox]

I do not understand why pf has the stacks north for m11s meteors

wouldnt it make more sense to have them be SE/SW instead of NE/NW

[random needle]

And then they'll wonder why they parsed grey with 3 deaths and 5 ddowns

[sleek moon]

its a perfectly squared arena with a symmetrical mechanic so all spots are valid

[valid solar]

where are the eels

[sleek moon]

it was just arbitrarily chosen as north

[jolly flume]

shut up phys range dodge the mechanic

[thin fox]

the point of my question being: why fuck over positionals for no reason

[random needle]

To give you a reason to press True North

[sleek moon]

maybe to remove the risk of meleebrain leaving the stack to hit a positional idk

or strat was made by a healer/caster/tank

[thin fox]

yeah instead provoke melee brain to go out of their way to hit a positional

well the strat was made by people who dont do the fight

[jolly flume]

I think ur reading too much into an arbitrarily chosen position from a week 1 strat

[thin fox]

[quick verge]

you can just

hit a rear between stacks

side is free

[jolly flume]

i'll hit your rear

[thin fox]

Im not saying its impossible Im just saying its silly

[quick verge]

also u have 2 tn stacks and they dont matter in like 40 seconds

[wicked delta]

Wtf

Are you gay or something

[jolly flume]

only on tuesdays

[valid solar]

erm its wednesday

[wicked delta]

Why only tuesday

[zealous meteor]

least gay straight man

[thin fox]

when will we as a society grow beyond toxic friends

[stray forge]

boys who play healers in games look great in maid costumes irl

[jolly flume]

I almost said something that would get me banned

[thin fox]

worst thing to ever happen to pf

[valid solar]

[thin fox]

lowkenuinely

[jolly flume]

best I can do is cat ears

been there done that

[stray forge]

dinner time

[wicked delta]

Its true ive seen him wear cat ears

[valid solar]

there is enough rice there to feed 3 people

what the hell

[sleek moon]

wtf

is that rice

[wicked delta]

Whats with the big fucking carrot

[sleek moon]

a mountain of rice

[jolly flume]

is your carrot ok

[zealous meteor]

would you wear lizzer horns irl

[quick verge]

are you a rabbit

[jolly flume]

yes

[thin fox]

u got a fucking chode over there brother

[wicked delta]

[sleek moon]

i think you're supposed to use the carrot like a fork

[thin fox]

WHAT IS THAT CARROT

[valid solar]

this is the kind of greed that caused the rain of terror

[thin fox]

thats no carrot thats the fucking elden ring great club

[jolly flume]

carrot so goofy everyone forgot i like coleslaw

[quick verge]

coleslaw boy

[wicked delta]

White boy

[jolly flume]

?

[valid solar]

honestly good recreation

[dim pollen]

Ok now new party keeps rushing vamp stomp

[valid solar]

I still think its a crazy amount of food

but good recreation

[wicked delta]

I

Almost overcooked

My potatoes

[valid solar]

https://tenor.com/view/overcooked-hannibel-gif-12352416788149157269

[zealous meteor]

you're cooking potatoes?

[stray forge]

How do you fuck up the humble potato

[sleek moon]

i was considering making potatoes but i also want fried chicken

[wicked delta]

Type shit im on when Chiyo doesn’t check on the patties

[valid solar]

[jolly flume]

I have NEVER lost a patty

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/cereal-simpsons-gif-4114429

[wicked delta]

You lying motherfucker

[sleek moon]

that's @round hazel

[wicked delta]

I have SEEN your crimes

[jolly flume]

toby the kinda guy to burn his water

[sleek moon]

damn sarah is named sarah today

[wicked delta]

YOU THE TYPE TO DROWN IN TAP WATER

[zealous meteor]

is that better or worse than being unable to boil it

[valid solar]

elite kitchen knowledge

[wicked delta]

Chiyo Shiomi when he has to not walk off the fucking map for once

[quick verge]

olive garden catching strays in the big 26

[jolly flume]

ok that's actually too hard

[boreal pumice]

i didnt know chiyo played drg

[zealous meteor]

she shouldn't be so teaseable

[thin fox]

chiyo probably eats all the shit on scrandle

[jolly flume]

wtf is scrandle

[quick verge]

peak

[wicked delta]

We should do scrandle

Its peak content

[quick verge]

okay today's scrandle doesn't even look bad so far

[thin fox]

you get shown two pieces of food from sports stadiums. you have to guess which food won higher on a poll of "would you buy this"

[wicked delta]

Man wtf is that

[jolly flume]

eewwwwwww

I actually cook good food i'll have you know

[thin fox]

i fucking can't bro

[sleek moon]

stop

this is a war crime

[whole estuary]

wh

[quick verge]

ok what happened on #4

wtf is this

[thin fox]

cheesy and its two slices of cheese

[kind elm]

i can take 5 of those

[boreal pumice]

i mean its english we do food crimes all the time

[quick verge]

hell naw son

[jolly flume]

that hot dog looks like a tapeworm

[whole estuary]

Stadium of Light?

[jolly flume]

people who buy that shit are not real man

[whole estuary]

isn't that a ShB trial

[sleek moon]

if you put some fingers to the left and right of that

that looks like

something

[jolly flume]

don't stick your dick in that

[boreal pumice]

pls say its jam