endgame-lounge

[amber fable]

But I also am taking like 2 days break in between raids....

I think I am very clear on mechs now

Just feel very lazy to login to game

[rain geode]

Kinda where Im at rn where Im at I really just want to see the next fight but Im having really bad PF luck

[low hearth]

Cleaving both bosses is the best part of the fight bro

[shy obsidian]

i bet it's really satisfying but damn it must feel weird trying to adjust to it

[amber fable]

You just hold for few gcd

[rain geode]

My job makes it really easy 🙂

[low hearth]

Isn’t scholar aoe like a gain on 2 or sum

[amber fable]

Not at 100

Iirc

[low hearth]

wtf

[rain geode]

Its a gain on 2 at 100, Its 320 vs 180 * X

[torn kindle]

It’s the only healer that’s a gain on 2 at 100

[low hearth]

damn that’s huge

[torn kindle]

I think the only other job that does AOE on two (besides tanks for aggro) is bard for level 100

[rain geode]

yeah I get to cleave the bosses for a damage boost its pretty poggies

doesnt really matter since I cant find a group that can get past Arena split consistently but y'know

[spice path]

Most jobs are just... whatever happens to cleave in ST cleaves, aoe not worth.

[rain geode]

Been looking for like a week but I think I missed the bus so to speak

[shy obsidian]

i mean apparently gunbreaker's Fated Circle also does well against two peeps

[torn kindle]

Well that’s more opportunistic cleave rather than “switch to full AoE”

But that’s splitting hairs

[rain geode]

Hopefully I clear tommorow

[worn bluff]

there’s also people who don’t know basic 2 target priority too which makes a bigger difference

like i think 123 fated on GNB is meaningfully stronger than regular ST or regular AOE

[torn kindle]

Like if I want to use BLM as an example, you swap Despair/Xeno/HT for Flare/Foul/HT2 at 2 targets but I’m pretty sure you still do the ST rotation at its core

[amber fable]

Theres also aoe fall off

Shit like 75% fall off isnt that useful

For cleaving if you drift it out of buffs

[worn bluff]

feelspldman

[trim frost]

vpr 🥀

[worn bluff]

ig pld not that bad

60% falloff

[amber fable]

85 for vpr...might as well remove cleave damage

[trim frost]

the benefit of shit cleave is that you don't really need to worry about adjusting your rotation i guess

[shy obsidian]

bro was never the same after Sugar Riot smh my head

[thin fox]

bro made a pf to fucking brag

[trim frost]

i think it's 80% for vpr

iirc only rainbow drip is 85%

[thin fox]

rainbow is 85 yes

and hammer is 70

[trim frost]

lobotomized

[thin fox]

comet/holy is 65

mog i wanna say is also 70

[amber fable]

Dps aoe fall off are all pretty high

[trim frost]

nvm rainbow drip has always been 85% i guess

[low hearth]

ts kinda free after snaking ngl

[worn bluff]

i need to figure out tower and mit timing for end of M11S

for when i see it

[low hearth]

If you find a group with a pulse

Took me 22 hours

[trim frost]

ia2 is just like

have brain cells

[amber fable]

Eye check

[trim frost]

eye check

[low hearth]

👉 🕰️

[worn bluff]

and don’t walk into the defamation at the end

[rain geode]

See... thats what I thought...

[devout wraith]

why is no one doing this

[torn kindle]

It used to have a lower falloff at DT launch which combined with low filler AOE potency made it optimal to spam in AOE

But it got fixed fast

Or maybe that was media tour potency mathing

[worn bluff]

PF can’t think ahead

[amber fable]

Tf raidplain was made for week1 and they wont be updating shit

[worn bluff]

asking them to look at the next weapon

[amber fable]

And pf brainlets cant use neurons

So here we are

[thin fox]

pf already can't do this mechanic and you want them to adjust the spots based on the rotation?

[devout wraith]

its literally gonna make it easier

less movement

[amber fable]

Ask party

To do it

[thin fox]

people aren't fucking up this mechanic because they don't make it they fuck it up because they're greedy morons

[low hearth]

M11s pf might be worse than 10 😭

[worn bluff]

it requires more thinking which is illegal in PF

[amber fable]

See if they accept

[thin fox]

@low hearth

[low hearth]

Mfs be getting cooked by a normal raid mechanic

[thin fox]

let me show u some stats

[worn bluff]

second set of puddles into spread

[thin fox]

M10S - 3822 characters at <1% enrage

[low hearth]

😭

[thin fox]

M11S - 5870 characters at <1% enrage

[amber fable]

Mb

Its me

The griefer

[worn bluff]

how many of those enrages are because people take DDs in orbital

[low hearth]

Orbital is hard bro

[worn bluff]

[amber fable]

Orbiting deez

[rain geode]

Time really is a flat circle

[trim frost]

im so curious about the people who have 99% progression

[dull drum]

dude

this idea (the pic) is fucking horrendous

LMAO

have you seen what pf does with scythe already

actual 9/11 shit

[rain geode]

Having a 1% enrage is pretty discouraging and I could see it making people stop

[trim frost]

because it's fucking stupid that's why

[devout wraith]

question about the cross sword trophy lp stack actually, does it only target the healer? or is there some kinda proximity bait or something else

[spice path]

Maybe some got suck on enrage, decided to wait to go back with more gear?
It was very clearable last week if you had a good party... but with pf specifically... well... lets just say in my static im 4th in dps... in pf I am 1st by quite a lot :S

[dull drum]

yes and if healer was dead alr you better hope you win a 3/7 chance

or LP1 gets nuked

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-bomb-explosion-boom-gif-18347534567261621962

[devout wraith]

so like would it be possible for healers to bait the stack right outside of the scythe circle hitbox instead for ease of movement

[amber fable]

Crit

[stray forge]

Some of the static recruitment posts are unhinged. Just saw one that was basically saying you better be able to execute mechanics before actually practicing them ☠️

[pale blade]

lobobo, but also

[thin fox]

i wonder who is at fault for this 3% enrage

[low hearth]

What the sage doing for 40% of the fight

[pale blade]

dying

[stray forge]

Deadge

[thin fox]

0 deaths from sage

0 dd

[pale blade]

oh, well

[thin fox]

gunbreaker died on ecliptic tower but thats not a 3% diff

[pale blade]

have they tried DPSing

[stray forge]

Were they the person who needed to go to bathroom mid pull

[thin fox]

has the sage tried CASTING

[pale blade]

or do they need some hand-holding

[stray forge]

Or was that someone else’s group

[pale blade]

like severe hand-holding

[low hearth]

rampart diff

[thin fox]

they ghosted an ogcd

it sucks but its not what caused the enrage

this is problem w tomestone checking tbh lol

cuz that sage now looks like theyre 3% enrage even though theyre giga grief

[stray forge]

No one check my tomestone

I don’t want you to see how many times I tele’d into death wall last night

[thin fox]

implyiung people actually check pulls

they only look at % + mechanic

they dont check to see if youre even good

[stray forge]

[thin fox]

people just check this

they don't even check this specific log

to see your damage

[stray forge]

Fire four

[thin fox]

yeah my caster alt is called fire four

cuz it helps me remember its my caster alt

my melee alt is called red pixel

speaking of which I should go grind Dawntrail MSQ on that alt since NA is deadge

a CUTE raider

[trim frost]

tomestone dev was talking about some ideas to make this less ugly for pf and i feel like one way to potentially improve this view would be like a parse for pulls within some range of that prog point among people who are at a similar prog point

[amber fable]

Median parse on prog

[trim frost]

something like that

what the fuck am i

i dontt even drink beer

deadass thought it said cooly at first i was about to cry

[zealous meteor]

valcooly

[amber fable]

Gone but never forgotten

[round hazel]

how's everyone enjoying the tier? :)

M11S is

but not hating it as much as I usually do for a third fight ngl

[valid solar]

M9S went pretty well, M10S might turn me into a serial killer

I started m10 like over a week ago and it took me 6 days to just see arena split

[round hazel]

r u pf hell

[valid solar]

yeah

[round hazel]

ur fucked

snaking hell

[spice path]

The only issue with that is some people literally dont press buttons until they see enrage first time.
That's how some world 1sts even fo it.

[round hazel]

my friend had a few groups back to back who couldn't do snaking

[round hazel]

TFW it's been a few hours of pf

you finally get past arena split

and die to snaking 2

[valid solar]

I got to prog past arena split yesterday and it genuinely was only because a very good sam player I know happened to be in that pf on an alt because they wanted to test and see how few enpi uses they could get away with

[round hazel]

jfc

tank this tier?

[valid solar]

I went pranged this time

there is a disturbing amount of times im number one on rdps while only doing 34k (mch)

pf is kinda cooked damage wise

[valid solar]

[round hazel]

[valid solar]

I think if I dont get an m10 clear today I might just do a book run because I want to prog at least a little of 11 before week 3 starts

theres like a week break before my exams continue so I shall take advantage of that while I have more free time

clear party but tank has hidden logs

oh the hidden log guy cant read either

[zealous meteor]

[valid solar]

we wiped to snaking

now we wiped to the first mech

[normal blade]

These are savage raiders. They cant read or count

Id know

Im one of them.

[pale blade]

lmaoooooo

this tier has given me so many PF tanks I want to strangle

[true beacon]

You saw my three different co-healer pics right

That’s me but for healers

[pale blade]

No but I can picture it

[pale blade]

Maybe I gotta throw them into a volcano

[zealous meteor]

[true beacon]

See the issue?

[zealous meteor]

yes

[true beacon]

look at their hp

Compared to mine

Third was fine

But the second one

[zealous meteor]

im just gonna assume this is all normal mode gear

and not savage

[true beacon]

It’s savage

[zealous meteor]

oh

ok

[true beacon]

Well the Cruiserweight ones are

[pale blade]

That’s slightly better, but two wrongs still don’t make a right, sadly

I still do not know what compels people to go into Savage below the bare fucking minimum

Like who are they benefitting at all

[remote gate]

all my gear was pentamelded except for my one crafted ring and bracelet did I deserve to be thrown in a volcano

[valid solar]

clear party, we wiped twice to the first mechanic because of melees greeding, and on the third pull we died to the tb after snaking because tank forgot to move out

[remote gate]

my bad

i was thinking about latinas

[random needle]

For how much we meme on pranged, I think melees deserve infinitely more slander for having the kind of greed that gets Indiana Jones villains killed

[trim frost]

then maybe only have it appear at enrage %s idk

[valid solar]

melees are just unable to respect mechs this tier idk why

just put the ranged gcd in the bag man

[pale blade]

lobobo

[worn bluff]

their brains are conditioned to think that 100% of other melees never use ranged GCDs and they will get a 0

[sinful brook]

i used 19 piercing talons on my clear

[jade nimbus]

Viper and ranged combo are my best friend

[valid solar]

it took too long, but I have finally obtained the best drg weapon in the game

[jade nimbus]

I also do the slide to chase the boss at the start of the fight during dashes

[pale blade]

hell yeah

[sleek moon]

share the name for the non drg players

tf are we gonna do with an icon

[valid solar]

abyssos partisan

[random needle]

They cooked hard with the abyssos and Asphodelos weaps

[worn bluff]

wait that’s sick i need it now

[mortal flower]

*sets

[dapper zealot]

They're basically just relic weapons without the grind

[finite plank]

the grind is clearing it

[mortal flower]

Nah thats Alolo Ultimate

Idk anyone who hated themselves enough to learn that shit

[pale blade]

the grind is the friends you made along the way

[amber fable]

M10 done finally

150 pulls bruh

I suck at this game

It even had 4 helpers

[thin fox]

itll look better once you get to 11

[amber fable]

My sub is gonna end in 2 days

Lowkey dont wanna resub now

[low hearth]

You gotta resub for reclears bro

[still flare]

I have a friend that is playing FF14 and just reached the coils of bahamut, if anyone wants to run with us this evening DM me, we are gonna go synced, it’s always fun running old raids! 👍🏻

[dapper zealot]

Do bear in mind that coils is different cause it's basically savage by default if you didn't know already. You'll find more luck in some of the raiding servers in #resources

[still flare]

Thanks! I know! I have cleared it but my friend hasn’t and I’m trying to find a discord for old raid lfg discords

[loud nymph]

I think there is something like that linked in #resources

[worn bluff]

now’s your chance to break free of the wheel

[pine holly]

I wish the DT raid gear didnt look like poop

I don't vibe with either the Tural or S9 aesthetic

[worn bluff]

i wish the raid gear was more themed around the bosses

m4s weapons should have been electrope

[remote gate]

no now look at your cyber slop

[visual geyser]

Mane so bad

Gear this expansion so bad

And the good sets are undyable

[remote gate]

cruiserweight was the only tier to have decent looking gear

fending/maiming jacket

[worn bluff]

dyable coming in 9.x crafted gear

enjoy your "new" content

[remote gate]

2030 finally be the year ffxiv is good

[visual geyser]

The first tier had great gear wil be getting them in 8.0 kek

Second tier the only semi decent set was the caster/healers

[worn bluff]

i skipped cruiserweight so i'll wait to unsync it later for glam

[pine holly]

I do wish you could just get the dye able versions of raid gear an expansion later or something.

[visual geyser]

Unsync exists for that

Pretty fun

[normal blade]

Thats why glam exists.

[worn bluff]

i do kind of enjoy unsyncing stuff for glam later. it's mostly chill but 1 expansion later sometimes you still need to learn like 1-2 mechanics

or like 1 tier later you learn 2/3 of the fight

is there a PF default for how to take the m11s enrage towers?

trying to see what to use up for tank stuff before that

[valid solar]

trying to get into the clear parties this tier be like:

[zealous meteor]

i thought you were a catboy

[kind elm]

bungo hasnt been a catboy for so long

[zealous meteor]

its been like a week

[boreal pumice]

bungos a hrothgal?

[valid solar]

yeah I fantad like 8 days ago

[boreal pumice]

the irony of the cant read ,read differently

[tulip anvil]

tomestone is the worst playermade resource

its almost always used by players who are lacking themselves

[vestal hollow]

bungo transitioned

[zealous meteor]

happy for her

is it ms bungo now

[craggy marsh]

Tfw the host of the pf is a prog liar but they kick other prog liars

[thin fox]

beast mode lowkey

[stray forge]

I always check the host before I join nowadays

[sly basin]

this is amazing hehe

[craggy marsh]

It's up there with the "2 wipes = kick"

[sly basin]

i was so obsessed w this game back in the day

[craggy marsh]

But then the host is allowed to make as many mistakes as they want

[zealous meteor]

this deserves to be pinned i think

[wicked delta]

Goated

[kind elm]

i love tomestone

[sly basin]

only I may lie, ME alone

[stray forge]

Maybe I’ll start joining

Then checking the tomestone and announcing publicly if host is prog lying

[tulip anvil]

tbh i dont blame prog liars

[stray forge]

Just for added seasoning

[tulip anvil]

its hard to prog mechs when you join a prog party for that specific mech

[sly basin]

it rlly depends if they are clear ready or not

[wicked delta]

The problem with tomestone is that a lot of FFXIV players don’t understand how to use it

[tulip anvil]

cus most of the time you'll either die to stupid crap or not make it there at all

[stray forge]

I don’t blame prog liars either

[sly basin]

sometimes i get a prog liar and im like ????? do u know any mechanics lmfao

[stray forge]

I blame YOU instead Dender

It’s all YOUR fault!!!!

[wicked delta]

Some people join an enrage party at like 4%, which should be fine- but they only got to 4% because their party corpse dragged them through

[tulip anvil]

why, i prog lied to clear m10s in less than 3 hours

[wicked delta]

While someone who prog lies maybe can’t be trusted, but if you check their tomestone you see they actually made really good progress

So they are likely a good player even if they’re not at your exact prog point

[sly basin]

tbh i proglied for chaotic, i was so tired of always seeing brambles and ik my shit after that

[craggy marsh]

People are lazy and dont actually check your activity on tomestone

[wicked delta]

But most of PF only sees percentage and thinks that’s good enough

[craggy marsh]

They look at the percentage and that's it

[tulip anvil]

we should all focus our blame on something productive, like the creator of tomestone

they indirectly caused the "passport" nonsense

they shouldve known better than to trust the playerbase with something like that

especially given their track record when it comes to similar resources/plugins

[stray forge]

You’re the creator of tomestone

[boreal pumice]

but you were ded on the floor ... but i saw the % didnt i

[craggy marsh]

I understand the "passport checking" but some people take it too seriously

[stray forge]

I’ll be so fr this sounds like an aether thing

[wicked delta]

Its everywhere

[thin fox]

The problem with passport checking is that people just check a %. A % means nothing. You can have seen 3% enrage because you were eating damage downs or because you do 60% of the damage you're supposed to be doing. But people just check the %.

[stray forge]

I don’t think anyone on primal has ever had the word passport in their PF

[wicked delta]

Just most prominent on NA because everyone raids there

[thin fox]

Passport checking would be fine if you actually inspected someone's logs.

[wicked delta]

So that includes Europeans, JP and so many others

[kind elm]

no they dont actually put it in there

[thin fox]

I don't think anyone on primal has ever filled a pf

[kind elm]

they just check you and kick you if youre griefing

[wicked delta]

Aether is The raid server so

[kind elm]

also yeah primal lmao

[stray forge]

[dull drum]

who the fuck is primal

[boreal pumice]

might be a hot take but for 2 weeks maybe 3 tomestone shows nothing

[stray forge]

I’ve filled plenty

[sleek moon]

primal pfs have been filling since aether is perma locked during raid time

[stray forge]

See Abby agrees

[sleek moon]

was honestly surprised to see 80 high end parties

[wicked delta]

Maybe we should kick primal players from Aether

[sleek moon]

i wish

[stray forge]

I’m fine with that

[sleek moon]

primal was so nice at the start of DT

[wicked delta]

Kick crystal players too

[sleek moon]

when nobody could get into aether

[stray forge]

Im fine with that

[wicked delta]

Get out bruh I cant even world travel to other places in Aether 😭😭😭

[kind elm]

the funny thing about primal pf is that its with ppl who werent raid savvy enough to park on aether pre-reset

[sly basin]

where crossdc pf se

[kind elm]

i hate aether being raid dc as much as the next gal but

[boreal pumice]

all the eu raiders would go aether mega lock down

[sleek moon]

its less about savvy and more about... thinking they can make it back in time

[stray forge]

I heard aether players are bigger mouth breathers than primal

[sleek moon]

but wanting to do retainers and subs and shit

[stray forge]

In general

[sly basin]

we r all mouth breathers we are raiding in ff14 mmo

[stray forge]

Ur not

U cancelled acc

U so smart

[kind elm]

this is literally just pf

[sly basin]

oh yeah im unsubbed rn

[boreal pumice]

speaking of breathing ... you find the weridest shit in pf

[stray forge]

Oh

[kind elm]

this makes breathing hotter

[wicked delta]

I think its funny

When I see some EU players brag about how good PF is there

Yall play like monkeys too 😭

And you also have French people

[boreal pumice]

where have you seen the braggers?

[wicked delta]

[stray forge]

[wicked delta]

Mostly a twitter thing honestly

Aether bad

Aether always bad

[sleek moon]

i heard after spending 3 expansions making fun of NA for using waymarks instead of macros to set positions, EU now uses waymarks

is it true

[boreal pumice]

everything bad

[kind elm]

i mean eu hasnt used macros for like

[stray forge]

Isn’t twitter the website where people have to post their pictures in 3 segments so that an ai doesn’t make nudes of them

[kind elm]

almost 2 yers

[sleek moon]

thats basically DT length

[boreal pumice]

yeah i havent seen macros in while its usually hector or a link to something else

[wicked delta]

I mostly saw macro usage in EW

But to be fair

I didn’t raid that often on EU as is

[kind elm]

even at the end of EW they were falling out of use

i started in 6.4-6.5

[wicked delta]

So

[kind elm]

and i never saw macros in anabaseios

[boreal pumice]

ngl i wasnt a fan of the macro its like err wtf is this

and you keep scrolling and your like wheres the mechanic to look out for

[wicked delta]

I think its fine for like

[sleek moon]

just rembering this shit

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV/comments/imzknr/my_experience_raiding_on_different_data_centers/

[wicked delta]

1 specific mech

Idk

[boreal pumice]

yeah but when you got so many blocks of it your like shieeeet wheres the one i need to know or you gotta resize your chat box

[sleek moon]

i tried macro in na for sos ex and it went as well as you'd expect

[vestal hollow]

cant believe liv hates me

[kind elm]

slur

[vestal hollow]

what if i

nvm

im not toxic like that anymore.

[dusk sky]

why is aether already too congested

[low hearth]

god mfs in m11s are so fucking annoying leaving after 2 wipes holy shit

[true beacon]

I can’t even visit friends on other worlds

[dusk sky]

I thought "surely I could travel over before lunch" but damn thing already capped

it's not even prime time

[boreal pumice]

gotta do them degen hours

[stray forge]

set an alarm for 4am

[dusk sky]

how is 11am-2pm not degen

[stray forge]

leave computer on

[stray forge]

wfh people already online by that time

[zealous meteor]

might be people in other timezones who play on NA for reasons

[dusk sky]

[jolly flume]

good morning

checks time

oh fuck it's 3pm

[quick verge]

employment check

[jolly flume]

stay mad wagie

[grim cape]

Creeping on the chat while listening to a work call. LOL

[quick verge]

stay mad mch main

[jolly flume]

don't step outside your door at 7:35 pm

i'm waiting to marksman's spite you

[quick verge]

in pvp btw

[stray forge]

I love it when ur manager says "Well I asked chatgpt" like 3 times in one work call

best reality

[jolly flume]

me when I outsource all critical thinking

[stray forge]

everyone who goes to court for a major crime should just say chatgpt told them to

[loud nymph]

you should tell them you asked chatgpt if the manager gets paid too much and chatgpt said yes

[prime wolf]

Are we getting another Custom Deliveries?

[stray forge]

no thank u its a bad job market to be unemployed in

[kind elm]

just get a job?

[loud nymph]

nothing has been announced

[prime wolf]

I figured. I just realized we'd only had 1 so far.

[low hearth]

thanks for the orbital omen tips @rapid whale @jolly flume

https://klipy.com/gifs/lebron-james-chalk-toss

[jolly flume]

never let the opps win

✊

[thin fox]

maybe one day I clear m11s

[low hearth]

fight fucking blows

waymark shit is so dumb bruh

[rapid whale]

congrats on clear

[trim frost]

this guy

was a giga shitter back in cruiserweight

this is either pilot or rmt or both

lmfao

[boreal pumice]

giga shitter as om personailty or plays shite

[trim frost]

both lowkey but more the playing shit

[finite plank]

what is this cone thing that we have to get hit by?

[thin fox]

[finite plank]

what is it cleansing?

[trim frost]

five seven

[jolly flume]

nothing

but if you don't bait it someone else will and that someone else is gonna die

funnily enough it's not even a wipe condition to fail it

as long as it's not like...catastrophic fail you just blasted five people

[mossy eagle]

Oh so it's going to be a wipe condition in PF

PFers experts at doing the most damage with their mistakes

[trim frost]

nya or whatever

[jolly flume]

purr

[mossy eagle]

Juicee thighs

[thin fox]

ig no clear this week

[jolly flume]

ngl

waking up to tomestone discourse and knowing for a fact it's because pf got btfo'd by a third floor consistency/dps check was pretty funny

[clear plume]

We blasted 4 and heal lbed and killed at 9:01 this week, so I have news

[jolly flume]

the fifth guy would've been the difference, trust

[clear plume]

If the 5th is the second healer yeah

[sleek moon]

Yeah but seems tomestone is making it harder

[jolly flume]

is it

I think it just seems that way

because 99% of people who can do dps are on 12 already

it would be this awful either way imo

[tawdry delta]

isn't floor 3 always a consistency and dps check

[jolly flume]

like at this point you're basically filtering through all the people who failed the dps check

[tawdry delta]

well if we remove duds such as as m3, p7, p11

[jolly flume]

instead of all the people who were good enough to make it through

[clear plume]

When kihra tweets out “thinking about doing something” or “wondering if it would be better if I” it doesn’t mean it’s happening fwiw

[dull drum]

ngl i dont think the tomestone discussion is that deep

just be a better player

😏

[jolly flume]

even if they got rid of prog point on tomestone we already opened pandora's box, people will just go back to requesting logs on pt join

not like they didn't do that before

lol

[dull drum]

^ yeah

[sleek moon]

i mean that's an improvement

at least people would look at a log

[jolly flume]

is it?

[sleek moon]

instead of a number on a profile

[jolly flume]

you can scan the number on the log the same way you do on tomestone

[clear plume]

They’d look at the top of the log and nothing else

[jolly flume]

it's the exact same information

[sleek moon]

you can but people arent doing it

they just see the first info presented in tomestone

and run with that

[clear plume]

“Wipe 3%” okay good

“Wipe 12.6% kick”

[tawdry delta]

ppl were requesting logs as passports during top on patch before tomestone was a thing

[sleek moon]

doesnt matter if the 5% guy you're accepting had damage down the entire time and was the main cause of enraging

[finite plank]

turns out it was the m4s cone bait mechanic

[sleek moon]

or if its someone who consistently fucks up mechanics

[dull drum]

click on log, sort pulls by hp%, done you're clear

[sleek moon]

they just see 5% enrage and goes in

[dull drum]

like pre 9/11 security

[jolly flume]

opening the log wouldn't do anything different

I cannot stress this enough, most people have no idea how to use fflogs beyond looking at the homepage for funny numbers

[sleek moon]

like its very easy to pull the actual useful info in a few clicks, but people arent doing it

because tomestone is giving them a more accessible % info

[stray forge]

You're not allowed in my group unless you can show me you have every relic weapon and platinum rank in pvp

[dull drum]

@jolly flume idk if you remember but m6 early weeks people were pushing dmg on boss instead of adds to make it look like they got through most of adds

[sleek moon]

make people go into the log

[jolly flume]

tomestone manipulation

[worn bluff]

i guess i’m just trash after all

[clear plume]

I’m ngl, expecting the average pf lead to look at weakness/dd in a log is the funniest part of this conversation

[stray forge]

true

[clear plume]

What’s the quartz meme

[stray forge]

It's very easy to manipulate logs

[jolly flume]

what would this accomplish lol

[stray forge]

I'm going to do it

1000000 parse

[sleek moon]

wouldn't lead to this current stupid wall maybe idk

[stray forge]

(waiting for someone to be like erm aktually 100 is max)

[dull drum]

the wall is actually because people suck

[sleek moon]

im not pfing just what i've been observing

[dull drum]

thoughts endgame lounge, nothing related to tomestone

🤔

[clear plume]

I mean… the people who are causing the issues sure aren’t getting past if you scrutinize logs more…?

[jolly flume]

let's use my friend as an example

[worn bluff]

i can do arena split fine now but i can’t get 7 other people who can also do it

[sleek moon]

ok yeah they do suck, but when someone goes with the % shown in tomestone they end up inviting more people who suck

[jolly flume]

his tomestone:

someone asks him for a log to join the party, he sends this:

like

lol

what is the difference

[clear plume]

If people wanted to look at if they’re causing things

They’d legit click the tomestone pull and see it

[worn bluff]

who’s going to spend the time to look at individual logs though

[stray forge]

the difference is theres no fucking way im inviting someone named DaBigStromboli into MY prog group

[jolly flume]

like when me and noble do ulti c41s we go into the logs to look at causes of wipes and exa fails and whatnot

if people wanted to do that they'd do it

[sleek moon]

i think the idea is to force everyone to look

[worn bluff]

most people won’t bother

[jolly flume]

shoving a log in their face isn't gonna change anything

[clear plume]

Forcing the log link doesn’t force people to dissect a pull

[sleek moon]

to look beyond the number shown in the front page

[jolly flume]

especially when most people again, don't know how to read a log

[tawdry delta]

there will be a plugin in the future that uses AI to automatically evaluate someone who joins your pf

[clear plume]

They’re going to look at the number at the top of the log lmao (especially bc all kihra even wonders is better is chopping off percent and linking you to TOMESTONES activity tab… which shows lowest wipe percent with a link to the log)

[jolly flume]

I wrote a small script a while ago while experimenting with the API that pulls all your logs from a fight and averages your deaths and dds per pull

I doubt that would make people any happier

[clear plume]

What they mean is forcing people to look at this page

[jolly flume]

obviously tomestone% doesn't say everything about your prog but I have very little hesitation in saying that most people who complain about it are the people I'm likely dodging using it

[trim frost]

ok m12s glam created

[jolly flume]

light it up

[clear plume]

And if they force that gl ever clearing if you’re past the pull amount that’s “ok”, you have 400 pulls? Obviously you’re the problem don’t blame other people

[trim frost]

i need to get the torch thing

oh its like 730k now

let's go

[jolly flume]

seeing people reach FRU pull counts in 11 has been somewhat amusing

ngl

[stray forge]

pls iunvite

[clear plume]

It took fru pull counts for 12 but tbf it’s dps check was twice as hard

[jolly flume]

fantasia to fem aura and I'll personally clear you

world needs more femras

[trim frost]

very much schadenfreude

[jolly flume]

I can't deny that

[clear plume]

Long story short, the more you “force” people to see info wise, the more that info is going to be misunderstood

[jolly flume]

you can lead a horse to fflogs but you can't force it to read

-sun tzu

[stray forge]

thanks

[jolly flume]

excellent

@dull drum my eyes just got opened btw

you know the seasoning packet they have in indomie

[stray forge]

it took me way too long to find a pic of my character before I fantasia'd to viera

[jolly flume]

try stirring it into fried rice

[sleek moon]

whats the avg pull count for fru

[jolly flume]

pretty good groups like 350-500 range

[sleek moon]

my static healer that has been PFing with another character is at

[jolly flume]

well there you go

[low hearth]

0.39% is kinda crazy

[jolly flume]

I think inx is at like 400

although that's not really her fault from the few logs I've seen

[clear plume]

It took me and my samurai a whole 6 pulls for my pf alt

My ninja is just the secret enrage beater

[jolly flume]

ngl I zoned back into 11 this week and forgot where all my buttons go

my secret prepull lilybell technology

[clear plume]

You’re whm what buttons hmmmm where do I put glare in this fight

[boreal pumice]

111111

all ya need as whm

[jolly flume]

hey I'm useful for like 2 minutes out of 11

[sleek moon]

dw 8.0 will add glarestar

[finite plank]

sry for having over 200+ pulls before clearing in pf for m7s

[torn mesa]

M7S 200 pulls

[finite plank]

actually

it was 194 pulls

pull 60 was enrage

67 actually

and that was with a helper

a mnk helper

with the weapon

and blm

i think

they were both helpers from the same static

[sleek moon]

m11s pf proggers destiny was foretold

[jolly flume]

Ugh...guess my time is up...

My every breath is laced with magicks!

[tawdry delta]

It isn't over!

You will suffer!

[worn bluff]

saw enrage

[wicked delta]

Long live the king

[worn bluff]

had a billion deaths and first time doing ecliptic for everyone

[boreal pumice]

[trim frost]

😐

[jolly flume]

rebels and libertines

shut up and know your place

🗣️

[thin fox]

going to bedge @ 273 pulls of tyrant

[sly basin]

drs is sooooooo based

[boreal pumice]

first synced savage i done

[dull drum]

[dull drum]

better than forked tower thoughts on this take

[stray forge]

Ive never done forked tower

so I can't answer

🥀

[wicked delta]

based and true opinion

[stray forge]

better than forked tower because you could just fucking queue in instead of forming a party

[low hearth]

THREE… TWO… ONE… INSTANCE! 🗣️

[boreal pumice]

idk i havent done forked tower yet im doing that on monday this time i get to be dps

[low hearth]

forked tower was crazy on release bruh

[boreal pumice]

i also gotta find some to trade a necklace of blood for bracers of blood

[jolly flume]

@wicked delta cooking soon after I do my gacha stuff

[wicked delta]

bet

[sleek moon]

i should do gacha stuff before im too dead after raid

[jolly flume]

aemeath calling my name

[low hearth]

UP AND DOWN IM JUMPING 🤸‍♂️ OUT OF BED 🛏️ I THROW MY BAGGIES 🩲 ON THE WATER 🌊 IS CALLING🤙 GRAB MY BOARD 🛹 MY BAG 🎒 IM ROCKING HARD 🤘 ⚡ IM SURE THE FLOWING SWELLS ARE GROWING REAL TALL 🌊 ⬆️ ITS A LIQUID BADLANDS 💧🏝️AT POINT BREAK

[stray forge]

I've skipped dailies in CZN, HSR, and Wuwa since savage opened. Rip monthly passes

[valid solar]

are you gonna get drunk today too

[valid solar]

skipping dailies in a game where the dailies are done through auto combat is crazy work

[stray forge]

I suggest everclear for extra masochism

[wicked delta]

probably not lol

WHY ARE YOU UPSET

[stray forge]

Eh if I don't feel like it I don't feel like it

To me its like

[jolly flume]

I did my wuwa dailies during meal breaks from prog

[stray forge]

if I feel like it's an OBLIGATION for me to do it, I've started having an unhealthy relationship with the game lol

[valid solar]

drunk toby is fun toby

[stray forge]

and I guess thats how I avoid swiping more in these games, cause that mentality helps avoid fomo

[jolly flume]

I haven't swiped for anything beyond monthly bp since like 2.4

idk if I will again tbh

[worn bluff]

wait did they fix the ALT+F4 trick in wuwa?

[jolly flume]

I mostly just save like 4 patches at a time then get a new s2-3 team

[worn bluff]

it's making me log in again

[stray forge]

nowhere near enough enjoyment to cost ratio

[wicked delta]

am i not fun when im sober

[stray forge]

no youre a menace to society

[jolly flume]

I joined vc yesterday and I could instantly tell something was up from your voice

literally an octave higher than usual

[valid solar]

yeah but thats regular fun, mask off fun is more entertaining

[wicked delta]

💀

[valid solar]

uh oh

[jolly flume]

does that say toasty blanket

I can't read

toasty's actually pretty good

if it's a different blanket gl

[valid solar]

oh damn maybe this party clears then

[stray forge]

theres some group of viera constantly in primal FL that are just "Class Name" Bunny

[sleek moon]

this looks like a piss filter

[valid solar]

yeah its toasty and stella

[stray forge]

D'ark Bunny, Dancer Bunny, idk

[jolly flume]

framegen stopped working in wuwa for me since 3.0 and the game runs like shit now

[sleek moon]

first time logging in with the afternoon login screen

[jolly flume]

[stray forge]

The game started running badly for me too I had to turn down to 60 fps bc 120 gets choppy as hell

[zealous meteor]

2.4 of which game

[jolly flume]

wuwa

my account is already capable of clearing everything with one hand and eyes closed so there isn't really a point in spending anyways

[zealous meteor]

oh 2.4 of wuwa wasn't that long ago right?

[valid solar]

whats the point of playing with one hand if you're gonna close your eyes

[zealous meteor]

i thought you meant genshin which would be like... early 2022

[jolly flume]

nah that's like 8 months ago now or something I think

genshin I haven't played at all since like 2.8 lol

[zealous meteor]

good

[sleek moon]

i havent spent a cent in either game lol

[echo ibex]

How am i doing more dmg than the dance partnered picto

[wicked delta]

ur goated

[echo ibex]

If they weren't also 781 sure but no

How are you doing less rdps than the dnc

THE 775 DNC

88% utpime

lmao

[midnight furnace]

Huh doing M10S for the first time

Well thats a interesting fight

Its VERY fun

Currently i reached up to Insane Air

Not cleanly but i reached

[low hearth]

[loud nymph]

That's impressive tbh

[loud nymph]

Insane air looks a lot harder than it is, have fun with snaking 🙂 🙂 🙂

[rain geode]

Snaking isn't even that hard itself. Finding 7 other people who can do it on the other hand...

[jagged aspen]

which emote is this?

[echo ibex]

/joy ?

[jagged aspen]

i tried, it doesnt have open mouth

[kind elm]

optimal usage

[echo ibex]

Must be custom animation for the cutscene

[jagged aspen]

its duty complete cutscene, is it custom?

[stray forge]

snaking ez

[lone ibex]

I just want out of m3 this fight is giving me way too much pain

[stray forge]

should take like 3-4 pulls max for the average pfer midcore player to memorize the signs

[lone ibex]

wait til you get to last snaking, people have only 4mb of brain

more than 4 tasks and they overload

[mortal flower]

The average player can't count

[lone ibex]

they can only dps, move and check marker

[loud nymph]

and eat hot chip and lie

[stray forge]

I mean tbf I love me a good hot chip

[mortal flower]

All teh dps know is

How to greed, do bad dps, flex they relic, complain about ping, eat hot chip and die

[loud nymph]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought of that

[lone ibex]

as a MCH main, ping is everything

anything above 80 and my rotation is gone

[mortal flower]

Me getting hit by the 17th PBAoE in a row and wiping the party: stupid ping [i play samurai and dropping this gcd will reduce my 15 log to a 12]

[lone ibex]

80 ping makes my 70 log a 40

XD

[rapid whale]

mb

[midnight furnace]

The interesting part is that I guess as a Caster it doesnt look that hard but for melee... ☠️

[random needle]

No mechanics are hard if you put the ranged attacks in the bag, smile

[lone ibex]

XD

I have done insaneair as melee

greeding in split is harder imo

[worn bluff]

greed but with 75% success and cause wipes/enrage the other 25%

while having a bad rotation anyways

[rain geode]

For the first time since I started playing I wish I had more gil

[lone ibex]

I did a 20m merc run for m1

I'm happy

[rain geode]

Ironically I wish I had the Gil to hire a merc party lmao

[lone ibex]

hahaah

if I weren't busy with m3 freaking me

I'd help

m3 needs to be tuned down because PF can't; do it

[zealous meteor]

m3 as in light-heavyweight m3 or as in heavyweight m3

[vapid path]

I'm assuming heavyweight m3

[undone tide]

i love out dpsing the 784 gunbreaker

tbf i am 776 so its not like im that behind

[lone ibex]

heavy

m3 lightweight was super easy

[kind elm]

yeah we typically call it m11

[clear plume]

God if only there was some other way we could have named this series to avoid this confusion but alas

[kind elm]

true...

[tulip wraith]

m3-3

[kind elm]

unfortunately that idea NEVER came to light and there was no agreed upon abbreviation that got immediately ruined when the fights released and said M

[rain geode]

A23

[vestal hollow]

m makes infinitely more sense

[kind elm]

false!

[rain geode]

M is fine I think the only other answer would be to start doing 2 letter abbriviations which I think would make equal sense

[vestal hollow]

it's okay to be wrong liv

i nearly typed lyv

[kind elm]

no we couldve just used R

[vestal hollow]

again

[kind elm]

like we said when the raids hadnt come out yet

we can use R

[rain geode]

But thats the second letter?

[kind elm]

its the first fucking syllable

i wanna go back to pre-arcadion release when everyone was talking about "how will we abbreviate this" and people said "R because it sounds like the first syllable of Arcadion" and everyone said "yeah that works"

and then fucking square enix put an M in it which we KNEW was gonna be m1-m4 again like omega does and yet noooo we must use M

[clear plume]

Even Ar11 would be better though, quite frankly

[kind elm]

litchorelly

M is stupid

[tulip wraith]

excited for 8.0s raid series to start with an M

so we can never know peace

[clear plume]

Ar or R is def the two I’ve heard people talk about

[stray forge]

whats harder finding a pf group that clears easily or finding an abbreviation everyone agrees on

[clear plume]

But then nah I’m a ew baby crowd came in and said duty finder says m1

[zealous meteor]

i can't wait to clear T70S this weekend

[stray forge]

I personally prefer lichrully myself
like a lich

[kind elm]

lowkenuinely

[rain geode]

PF group that clears most people have agreed on M

[vestal hollow]

potato salad

[zealous meteor]

what the fuck

[lone ibex]

I give up

how is it I can do a clean run 5 times in a row

and get nuked by arena

but I can't seem to progress any further

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/thelionking-lionking-mufasa-longlivetheking-scar-gif-20263689

[kind elm]

[tawdry delta]

Hector agrees on M

Idk why people still bother to retroactively change it to R

It's never gonna happen

[sleek moon]

If gw2 had more raids this would be a thing

The community calls all raids wing #

[quick verge]

we can be the change xiv needs

[kind elm]

no im not saying retroactively change it

its M now it would be silly to try to change it

im simply spreading the word that you ruined everything and the world will suffer for it

[clear plume]

Idk why you’re using the word retroactively when I’ve consistently called it r the entire time

[rain geode]

I really hope the next raid series starts with an R because I think that would be the funniest timeline

[lavish mortar]

Not again 😂

[inner apex]

Tbh I think M is fine because it fits with the wrestling theme of the raids

[tawdry delta]

I was on the R train for a bit but switched to M when everyone else started calling it that because I don't find it personally satisfying to be an edgy contrarian for no reason at all

[visual geyser]

I mean the fights already have M in it their names

[clear plume]

True that’s why we call omega v12s

[lavish mortar]

I was literally saying that M1 meant\ match 1 of x division

back in first raid tier

but everyone just went with M anyways

[sleek moon]

Honestly surprised m11s parties haven't started locking the caster slot to BLM only considering the damage disparity between BLM and the other 3

[clear plume]

This is bc blm is the only caster that gets gear fed

Welcome to week 1 stats

We gave blm all the gear happens, we gave rdm all the gear doesn’t

[sleek moon]

I'm more so looking at picto

Like I'd assume picto gets as much gear prio as BLM in the teams that have picto

[worn bluff]

ok i see how rough M11S parties are now. even ecliptic parties are not any better at weapons than weapons parties

[clear plume]

It does not

Pct is good in optimized play, it isn’t 7.0 anymore

[inner apex]

SMN and RDM have rez, which you could use in prog

[sleek moon]

I mean the enrage m11s parties

[inner apex]

Yeah I can definitely get locking to BLM only for those

[pale blade]

Maybe I gotta start asking myself "Why is it always the male Viera" in addition to "Why is it always the Reaper/Samurai/Viper/White Mage/Dancer/Paladin/male Au Ra"

[lavish mortar]

M11s parties down bad

[pale blade]

Feel free to add

[kind elm]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[boreal pumice]

You can stop at male au ra nuff said

[pale blade]

gotcha

so it still stands

[inner apex]

"Why is it always SCH?" - A WHM main when my co-healer forgets their shields exist

[pale blade]

You know, you could have changed it to "A WHM main when they forget their mitigations exist" and it would be true as well

[inner apex]

Touche

[clear plume]

@jolly flume just had a whm say they “aren’t used to pf strats” for why they’re wiping to start of 10 in my practice party

This is their gear

They got the secret gear feed whm static, surely

(But not the left side tome piece upgrade feed)

[pale blade]

lobobo

[worn bluff]

surely not bought gear at all

[zealous meteor]

Hmmm.

[kind elm]

full raid is crazy

[torn kindle]

Funny part is that a lot of our BiS is the raid stuff

100% bought their clears tho

[pale blade]

perhaps

but also I think about that one Reaper main who's still progging Savage against everyone's wills

no it's not who you think it is

[kind elm]

my bad dude

ill stop

[jolly flume]

holy

[zealous meteor]

toby???

[jolly flume]

me when?

[boreal pumice]

Oil baron

[boreal pumice]

You main whm?

[sleek moon]

sub baron*

[vast jacinth]

My Bis is literally 18 weeks of m10s if i win nothing lmao

Trust i will just play lootgoblin :)

[rain geode]

Shouldnt it be 12 weeks? or amI missing something

[torn kindle]

WHM/SGE mainly for savage

[torn kindle]

Accessory augments

[rain geode]

right

[torn kindle]

Depending on BiS you use tome Earring/Bracelet/Ring, at least for healer

[stray forge]

It’s me isn’t it!!!

[pale blade]

I dunno, is your character a male Xaela Au Ra

[stray forge]

Ew

🫸

[pale blade]

lmao

short of a name, that's actually everything I can reveal about them

unless you somehow manage to put the pieces together by which I'll call that unlikely

[vestal hollow]

i know who

i wont say

[stray forge]

I know like 5 total peoples names in the game besides my own static

[boreal pumice]

WK

[wicked delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278018668634046528/1292894795701686505/ibushi_bike_spot.gif

[sleek moon]

getting higher

i wouldve had 99 if i didnt make any mistake and hit every button perfectly

[rain geode]

Healer LB3 rezzing 6 people, they instantly fuck up the next mechanic and all instantly die

[rain geode]

Its so cursed setting party to higher then you can get if your unlucky

[jolly flume]

as a wise man once said

why would I want unlucky people in my party

[rain geode]

can I find the will to do more M10S tonight?

[stray forge]

No

[rapid whale]

of course you can

[random needle]

e12s is utterly frying me

[jolly flume]

it's peak innit

[rain geode]

I dont think its an of course kinda moment

[random needle]

We (our tanks) have seen past Junction Titan exactly once

[tulip wraith]

dodging orbital be fucking me up more than meteorain

[random needle]

It doesn't help that people keep confusing each other on which spot we're supposed to go to for stacks :(

[jolly flume]

junction titan is just headless chicken simulator

eventually you'll accidentally do it right

[sleek moon]

honestly i never had issues with junction titan, but also i was on tank so idk

i vaguely recall id go west north north

or nw if yellow? idk

[random needle]

We're blind so I'm praying everyone else understands how it worked from e4s (which they did before I joined)

[sleek moon]

i have no idea how blu raiders did that shit, i havent done that on blu

[random needle]

I did see the yellow spread markers before though, from ex2

[rapid whale]

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-fisherman-don't-give-up-motivational-motivation-asian-gif-6047290035968204534

[sleek moon]

doing that blind tbh its the kind of mechanic you have to write down / map out

[random needle]

We have, people just keep getting confused

And we're only like 70% consistent on Junction Shiva at best

[sleek moon]

oh that is normal

[rain geode]

The issue is im so behind curve Im not sure if its still possible at this point every group I joke has a least one person who just cant play the game at all

[sleek moon]

i assure you no static was ever consistent with junction shiva

[jolly flume]

always give up

always surrender

[random needle]

I love ice movement!! I love ice movement!!

[amber fable]

Tether ice

[jolly flume]

yolo spread mechanics

[amber fable]

Just dont clip

[random needle]

This is definitely the fight that's given me the tightest run for my money as healer

[sleek moon]

and having the icicle explode in an aoe if the tethered person is dead is some mean design

[amber fable]

Harder than fru p2 fr

[jolly flume]

everything is harder than fru p2

[rain geode]

Even if I get through this Im certainly not going onto FRU, like I cant imagine how impossible an ult is in PF

[random needle]

It's a little surprising to me that Eden's Promise doesn't show at all in FRU

[jolly flume]

week 1 savage is harder than late progging ultimate

[jolly flume]

fail the p4 crystal and you get to see the tree

[sleek moon]

it does but as a fail state

[random needle]

Ohhhhhhhhh

[sleek moon]

if you dont rewrite the future of futures rewritten

[random needle]

I don't think I saw that, Chiyo 2as too much of a gamer when I was watching

[amber fable]

Tree just comes for enrage

[random needle]

I do still remember "could you imagine if we die to damage"

[jolly flume]

that was a once in a lifetime moment

or at leats

I hope it's a once in a lifetime moment

[rain geode]

Ill probably try some more tommorow

[random needle]

If p1 is cooking us this hard, p2 is going to be deranged

[vestal hollow]

YOU MAY FIND YOURSELF

[amber fable]

Basic relativity

[vestal hollow]

LIVING IN A SHOTGUN SHACK

AND YOU MAY FIND YOURSELF

[jolly flume]

p2 is easier in an execution sense I think

it's just

more confusing

[dense oxide]

E12S P2 is an interesting fight

[vestal hollow]

BEHIND THE WHEEL OF A LARGE AUTOMOBILE

[jolly flume]

and a lot cooler

[random needle]

The only thing I picked up from watching FRU is that there's traffic lights for some reason

[dense oxide]

More brain hurt type fight

[amber fable]

Stand and let things resolve

[jolly flume]

stand where thing will not resolve

more like

[clear plume]

Which p1 and p2 are we talking

[jolly flume]

e12

[random needle]

e12s

It's beating my static's piss in

[clear plume]

P1 is def harder to execute then yeah, it had lions and statues right

Both of those were harder than most relativities

[random needle]

We haven't even seen those yet

[jolly flume]

🦁 💨 🔥

[sleek moon]

lion rampant

[random needle]

Last mechanic we saw was the giant Promise statue appearing like it's Kefka

[sleek moon]

the multi booba statue

[jolly flume]

do not the tree

[sleek moon]

this is better

[random needle]

Why is she grapes

[stray forge]

What

[jolly flume]

man I wanna do oracle of darkness again

that fight is so peak

maybe less peak than lindwurm now but still peak

[wicked delta]

[jolly flume]

no...our utopia cannot fall...