endgame-lounge

[clear plume]

Hardest prange mech

[jagged aspen]

thats what im saying, a bad healer is quite likely to be a bigger liability than a bad dps (damage wise)

[worn bluff]

like a melee parsing a 10 vs 30 might be 4k DPS difference, whereas healer 10 vs 30 might be 2.5k DPS difference. just throwing out numbers

[jagged aspen]

at least in ults, because people usually know how to press their dps buttons there at least semi competently

while healers panic and dont press their button at all

ive seen sage that used dot more than they used dosis in p5, if you have a dps trying to pull that off they wont get past p1

[worn bluff]

i guess it's hard to say for sure, since you can't really compare apples to apples of someone playing one role vs another

[mortal flower]

Basically.

Being a tank is forgiving
DPS performance is more forgiving
Team based mechs tend to be designed around you not doing alot or moving bosses
And many groups understand if you under-mit shit because telling how much you need to mit with your current gearing is not something you can test for.

The only downside is, instead of focusing all on your 17 part dps combo you press 2 buttons when the boss winds up it's fuck the tank in particular attack

[jagged aspen]

its also partially a caster thing, since they're just harder to play in fights you're not comfortable with

[mortal flower]

Or you need to move alot to do a thing

Like baiting attacks, moving bosses etc

Like in m10s

[jolly flume]

the thing about worse healers

is the gap gets astronomically large at the bottom end of the range

[jagged aspen]

this basically

[jolly flume]

ime very bad healers are way bigger of an issue than very bad dps

but that stops being true at like 25+ percentile

which is pretty intuitive given that dps do twice as much damage

it's just that the worst healers are like beyond awful, doing half the dps you'd expect from their role

dps signed up to do damage so I guess it's not as extreme for them

[jagged aspen]

or well thats as far as my paint skills go

[jagged aspen]

id say around 20th percentile is where you'd look
below that is likely with deaths so it doesnt really count

[mortal flower]

A good[parsing] healer got away with not healing the team for a GCD more than the one who parsed worse

[jagged aspen]

healing gcds are overrated

[mortal flower]

A good parsing dps knows their rotation/got good crits

[jagged aspen]

you wont get a green parse because you used 4 gcd shields

[jolly flume]

I safety heal

I am consistently 90+

the impact on dps that healing has

is vastly overstated by those who don't understand the role

just keep uptime and you will never do bad damage

[jagged aspen]

10 minute fight is 240 gcds
10 gcd shields in that time is 4% "uptime" loss
low parsing healers have like 70% uptime not because theyre gcd shielding but because theyre hesitating to cast

[dull drum]

whats m11s heartbreak pf standard

[jagged aspen]

probably depends on tanks

like war probably wont invuln that

[jolly flume]

you can spend only one invuln per tower but you need to know how you're doing it

[mossy eagle]

The thing I've seen most commonly is both tanks stand in the tower for a hit and then one scoots out while the other invulns

[jolly flume]

and your tanks need to be able to count

[dull drum]

my static can count idk about pf man

[jolly flume]

yeah this for the second one, then you burn some mit for two hits on the third one and do the same

[jagged aspen]

pld can just go in with short and eat a tick i think?

[dull drum]

anyone can

[jagged aspen]

well, pld and gnb

[dull drum]

you can take the tank tower in ecliptic with like 10%

[jagged aspen]

drk can just press invuln

[jolly flume]

I wouldn't want to kitchen sink a tower with war ngl

[dull drum]

drk privilege

[jagged aspen]

and war used theirs at 8:00

[mossy eagle]

I think everyone should just pile in the tower and the healers can handle it

No I won't use my mit

[jagged aspen]

every war invulns the busters though so you kinda have to

[jolly flume]

that's why we just did a second party tower

[jagged aspen]

we did first, idk if it matters

[jolly flume]

I have lilybell back from the akh morn at end of phase split for third tower

[jagged aspen]

its a bit sketchy tbf since most mits arent up so second is probably smarter

[jolly flume]

so it's pretty free

we did party tank party

[jagged aspen]

idk, if you end up having to gcd heal on third thats kinda bad no?

since you have buffs rolling

unless its just very comfy somehow

[dull drum]

pot windows there too

[jolly flume]

I cast a medica 2 before buffs and two raptures in the tower then finished on a lilybell

[jagged aspen]

well ye you have pots and buffs on third

[jolly flume]

I mean yeah it's slightly bad for healer damage but that was not gonna be the difference for us

[jagged aspen]

whm op

[jolly flume]

it's so comfy for 11

whm shill fight

[jagged aspen]

doing weapons without dash 💀

[jolly flume]

but yeah I think it's probably best for most groups to do tanks invuln 2 and 3 the way I mentioned

[jolly flume]

sword into scythe my beloathed.

[jaunty pulsar]

do u guys know when is the next step of the relic in DT?

and the next level progression in occult?

[jagged aspen]

ono

likely in a week

[dull drum]

do a trial roulette and normal raid roulette surely shouldnt take that long

[jaunty pulsar]

or a frontline and a CC if u like pvp

[jagged aspen]

why are people doing parallel m10s now, what difference does it make >.>

[jolly flume]

just makes it more predictable than people shooting line aoes all over the place

added bonus of no steam bubble aoe

[clear plume]

Honestly the tank invuln > tank invuln > both tanks press everything Strat was very comfy for my group

Healers didn’t even need to heal

[mossy eagle]

Yeah parallel just makes the whole mechanic fucking free

[dull drum]

makes it so it always goes north and south

less thinking rather than crisscrossing yolo

[clear plume]

You also always have max melee safe on the safe side

[dull drum]

ye

[clear plume]

Instead of playing will this tether cleave me

[mortal flower]

Yeah parrallel is just brainless strat

You need the first dash to be PERFECT

But after you just up and down and up and down

Minimizes like arena cleaves/aoe

Just free on movement

[worn bluff]

i guess i didn't consider that on the low end

it's probably smaller of a difference on higher end

like the raw DPS difference of a 85 vs 95 healer, and a 85 vs 95 DPS

DPS difference probably bigger

[worn bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

i guess i'm just gonna shield lob

[alpine plover]

idk i'm kinda having full uptime on pld

[quick verge]

?

[alpine plover]

but if i had 10 more ping i would have eaten the axes and the swords

[quick verge]

press sprint

[alpine plover]

like snacks

[quick verge]

you should lose 0 gcds during weapons

[alpine plover]

keep a holy spirit in the bag

[worn bluff]

idk i'm still fresh

I'M NEW DON'T BE MEAN

[jolly flume]

no meanies!!

[worn bluff]

these guys are giving me feedback on my gameplay HELP

[boreal pumice]

is it good feedback?

[alpine plover]

Do u happen to have the code for that

[boreal pumice]

sorry no i took it from a tweet

[worn bluff]

all feedback is scary i want everyone to tell me i'm doing an awesome job instead

[jolly flume]

I can't tell you that

but I can tell you your dog is cute

:3

[worn bluff]

oki

[mossy eagle]

Ngl sword into scythe for MT is kind of ass

[clear plume]

You’re doing amazing!!

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/crycat-crying-cat-crying-cat-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-ok-gif-22851318

[worn bluff]

wow thank you i will continue shield lobbing 20 times

[jolly flume]

shield lob has a cool animation

ergo, good button

[worn bluff]

guys we hit enrage again lock in pls

[mossy eagle]

"1% enrage or less CHECKING PASSPORT" <- highest parse is a 3

[clear plume]

If there is one thing I don’t want in my enrage party

It’s a bunch of people that can’t beat the enrage

Better odds with people on last mech every time

[craggy marsh]

Me when I hit the passport checkers with my IP address checker

[sleek moon]

https://raidplan.io/plan/x2hht7dazqbdqs78 is it time for "healers adjust" strats

[worn bluff]

35% enrage CHECKING

[clear plume]

Wait this actually cooks as an uptime Strat

[loud nymph]

this seems pretty cursed ngl

[mossy eagle]

The duality of man

[worn bluff]

tank LB split arena

[jolly flume]

it has always been time for healers adjust strats

[sleek moon]

our ast vetoed it because neutral sect isnt up and he dont wanna heal that dot

[jolly flume]

press macrocosmos

[granite stag]

Healers not wanting to heal. What's new.

[jolly flume]

I mean there's a line between "fuck the healers" and "healers do a little bit of extra work to make everyone's lives easier"

healing through the dot is the latter

[worn bluff]

wait what if i did the normal strat except as tank just 40% walk through the DoT

[clear plume]

Everybody knows ffxiv healers want healers to do more healing right until the point they need to, then they hate it

[worn bluff]

oh nvm can't do stack

guess you could walk through twice

[sleek moon]

idk how much they are using during the water bubble thing so i cant clap back

[clear plume]

Tell them u have minne 🙂

[jolly flume]

water bubble hurts but like

you just press helios conjunction?

it's not that deep

it'll never one shot you so you don't need mit, you just need to top

[torn mesa]

that strat isn't even uptime

[sleek moon]

tbh what i liked about it wasnt the uptime, but the thing that tends to kill people, the proteans

[granite stag]

RIP to those 6 pieces of stale popcorn no one will ever eat.

[torn mesa]

dying to proteans with default strat

is like... pretty impressive

[worn bluff]

is meteorain just normal mode for tanks?

other than standing in the front for the first stack

[jolly flume]

essentially yeah lol

[worn bluff]

i'll take it

[torn mesa]

M12SP1 is just Beetle

Thoughts?

There's pantokratr, there's looper

[rain geode]

My computer says I have no internet but Im also just like using it and it works?

[dapper zealot]

Give them to some hungry sprouts

[worn bluff]

damn someone paying 11M for C42 anychest on M11S

[boreal pumice]

do you think its worth that?

[granite stag]

Worth it from which side

[echo ibex]

Man seeing so many MCH now

[stray forge]

were you just in my party

[true beacon]

whats toxic friends refer to?

[clear plume]

That’s a sign you’re behind pace

When mch whm war smn show up in your pfs

[stray forge]

no way :O M9S is behind pace on Monday

[echo ibex]

Depends on who's asking

[boreal pumice]

yes the eu person was in a na party

[echo ibex]

Nopes

[echo ibex]

Hey you never know

[stray forge]

anyways

[boreal pumice]

i only know chiyo uses jp because they like the pink

[sleek moon]

mods can see deleted messages @stray forge

[boreal pumice]

F

[jolly flume]

😭

[trim frost]

akldjfhlasjkfnsljkdfnalkdjfnaldfkvndflk

do you think they'll let me into <10% enrage parties :3

[torn mesa]

how many deaths in that pull

[quick verge]

6-7

[torn mesa]

I just saw a a cursed picture

someone has 400 pulls of M11S

still on enrage

[echo ibex]

Fr tho why so many mch wth

[jolly flume]

fun job

I fear it sucks balls tho

[sleek moon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smiling-smile-joyus-goofy-gif-8503284659254790420

[jolly flume]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-67-scp-67-funyuns-funny-gif-75413186200073602

[sleek moon]

toxic friends is a group, most of the raidplans people are using are from them

[trim frost]

6

holy

[clear plume]

chiyo u should play league with me

[trim frost]

ARE WE DEADASS

[rain geode]

cruel

[trim frost]

because i fucking pressed oblation instead of dark mind

my stupid mouse life

[loud nymph]

goodness gracious

[worn bluff]

if you only won one more gear piece in M9-M10

RNG diff

[loud nymph]

great walls of fire

[jolly flume]

does this count as a hate crime

I think it should

[mossy eagle]

My b

[sleek moon]

this is why we meld vit

[jolly flume]

more like this is why we use our yoshida-approved absolutely free healer mits

[mossy eagle]

YoshiP should make a tier that requires vit melds and vit pots

[granite stag]

How much % HP do the vit pots even give now

Is it like protraction every 5 mins

[boreal pumice]

bro is living in arr with main stat materia

[granite stag]

Just make the vit pot give 10% mit for 30 sec

[trim frost]

I WON ZERO GEAR PIECES AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[sleek moon]

10% vit or 25.5k hp on tank

[boreal pumice]

hq vit is 10% max of 595 capped work it out

[sleek moon]

10% vit is less than 10% hp

smh

[granite stag]

Not a whole lot 🙁

Yeah, just turn that crap into an actual mit potion or something.

[sleek moon]

i mean he died by 927

[kindred bison]

We ass dead

[boreal pumice]

you sadly be better off using a hp pot that restores 39500

[granite stag]

Savage is deep dungeon now.

[trim frost]

cooldown on ultra potion is 1:07 i can do it

[boreal pumice]

wait i can clear savage?

[granite stag]

It's weird having a potion that actually heals something.

[sleek moon]

where's ultra ether

[boreal pumice]

to broken for ultra flares

[granite stag]

5k mp restored. Buy in stacks of 10 in mogstation.

[sleek moon]

either should be like, at least 1 raise worth of mp

[boreal pumice]

idk the potion kit in bozja was pretty nice

[sleek moon]

2400

[granite stag]

I don't even know why they wouldn't. I think the current one already does like 1800mp?

Would let non-WHM rez right after being raised.

[worn bluff]

me too man... me too

[sleek moon]

doesnt seem like it would give any benefit to blm either if thats a reason to not increase it

[clear plume]

I mean blm it would get rid of tincture use

So that’s never a consideration

[jagged aspen]

uuh

[granite stag]

It's like 7 edge of shadows in a 10 min fight.

[boreal pumice]

outside dungeons just for memes

[granite stag]

Oh wait is MP 5 mins

I haven't used one in forever.

Oh it is 5 minutes.

Like making it 3k would be totally harmless.

[zealous meteor]

its shared with tinctures

[granite stag]

Yeah, I was sleepy brain and thought it was 1 min CD

Cause we were talking about the healing potion.

[limpid edge]

Server reset time

[wintry elbow]

omg pld end game soo much better for me. 😄

[flat bane]

I should start counting how many times I die from a stray lava protean on m10s

cause the number is above 2 digit guaranteed

[daring pine]

guys

[jagged aspen]

fml i did m12n for weapon then queued raid roulette to cap tomes and guess what

[rain geode]

I really hope they're good Im sad when people with funny names are bad

[worn bluff]

@rapid whale wait this 2nd spot dodge for orbital is goated

[daring pine]

liv reaction

[worn bluff]

did it first try no problem

[normal blade]

The Aetherwells have too high of a grind requirement.

[dapper zealot]

got m12?

[kind elm]

what de hell

[rain geode]

Honestly I dont think the aetherwells were grinding enough I got it done in like 2 weeks lol

[jagged aspen]

ye didnt even know its in roulette already

[rapid whale]

ya

[dapper zealot]

It was a lot easier when everyone was doing it. Off content is gonna be more of a grind

[rain geode]

I mean its just do your dailies for a bit I dont think doing it on or off content is gonna change that much since I did mine super duper later

[jolly flume]

chat im new

how tf do I get mgp

[rain geode]

Chocobo races

[dapper zealot]

become limsa egirl

[rain geode]

With how awful Raids have been going ive been considering it

I think the fights are fun tho

[worn bluff]

dress up in cute glam

[dapper zealot]

become egirl for merc clears :)

[jolly flume]

oh right I forgot fashion report even exists

[dapper zealot]

oh was that a legit question?

[jolly flume]

yeah

[rain geode]

I feel like even merc parties will just becomes snaking/double alley-oop prog

[dapper zealot]

oh lmao

[raw sand]

mmm in my experience merc parties are like

40-60

[dapper zealot]

Do your weekly challenge log, that's a good chunk of mgp

[raw sand]

40 to just one shot it

60 to give u same braindamage as a struggling pf group

[rain geode]

I dont think your gonna be one shotting it lmao

[jolly flume]

there are two kinds of merc parties

[dapper zealot]

There's also the weekly LoV depending on how badly you need mgp

[jolly flume]

the kind where the host actually kicks people who suck ass after log checking

and the kind where they don't

[jolly flume]

oh

do I have to like actually know how to play it lmao

cant be that bad

[dapper zealot]

it's very braindead

[rain geode]

If I had cash Id honestly consider a merc party at this point its bleak

[dapper zealot]

like raelly all you need is the horsyfont, hildi and basic mammet minion

[tulip wraith]

ish but theres cheese guides i think

do your daily and weekly cactpots as well

[dapper zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSuJgMjq-pk

[rain geode]

Its weird because I dont feel like double alleyoop is that hard of a mechanic

[dapper zealot]

I used this cheese

you just need to know the bare basics and just go on autopilot for the rest of it

[tulip wraith]

i dont wanna move muh uptime

[true beacon]

anyone else see what's wrong here

[dapper zealot]

bruh wtf is that ilvl

[worn bluff]

yeah what is that shade of blue smh

matches her horns, kind of weird

[boreal pumice]

i dont need 5 minutes i need 5 years

[rain geode]

7 Minutes is all I can spare to play

[boreal pumice]

dw you wont get the reference

[rain geode]

Im gonna be honestly I dont get anything rn

[scarlet lintel]

omg

i finally hit p2

on the last day lol

[boreal pumice]

with how much time

[dapper zealot]

got 13 hours left to W1 the tier

[rain geode]

P2 week one is pretty good

like I suck so Im probably only gonna have gotten M9S done

[boreal pumice]

i do wonder if anyone got so wrapped up in doing savage that they forgot to do m12 for a token ,|| you are now paranoid and checking if you did ||

[jolly flume]

most people raiding savage week 1 don't need tome weapons anyways

I p much only ever get them on my alt for splits

[worn bluff]

why this party called dance of domination cleanup

just say weapon prog

[jagged aspen]

just say from start

[scarlet lintel]

pretty solid :3

[scarlet lintel]

i cleared ucob faste than this btw

[jagged aspen]

what do i do with this though

[jolly flume]

drink it

looks tasty

[jagged aspen]

idk do i ask for tomestone next week

or just skip it

[jolly flume]

actually this tier is probably a decent time to buy a tome wep bc we're 2 weeks ahead on tomes so you're probably not delaying bis

but that's a choice for u

I won't bc I still want alt job stuff

[jagged aspen]

well im pretty sure bis is gated by twines and stuff anyway

unless youre trying to gear like 5 jobs for ult

my alt will wear full raid gear and like it

[jolly flume]

it usually is yeah but from what I've seen a lot of jobs don't use as many weeks of tome gear this tier

so that's also less augments needed

[worn bluff]

bro i'm basically fresh in this fight why does my tomestone say 59%

is split arena basically the main mechanic

[finite plank]

gamble at the big weekly lottery to win 3m+ mgp

[jolly flume]

yeah lol

once you're past that you're more or less at the end of the fight

after that is mostly nothing burger

[worn bluff]

i think i'm still not super comfy on greeding every single weapon

like i can just holy spirit but i know i can do better

there's nothing hard about the mechanics so far otherwise

[dull drum]

weapons the hardest mech of the fight

unironically

[finite plank]

weapons is just a wake up check

for lasting 4 minutes

[jolly flume]

it's so cancer for my movement

I need aetherial shift on half the cd on god

[clear plume]

My healers already having all their tome pieces by time savage drops:

[fierce matrix]

In pf

[worn bluff]

wait

[stray forge]

what

[worn bluff]

i just realized i never swapped my pots back to grade 4

for my m10 clear

F

i was using grade 2

[stray forge]

do u mean the message where I joked that I was cooly LMAOOOOO

[jolly flume]

I miss him

[worn bluff]

watching death snail do M11 clear parties in PF

[rapid whale]

grats on p2

[worn bluff]

PF clear parties still seem to be weapons prog

[rapid whale]

yea it slike looper

its always loope prog

[boreal pumice]

dw more gear will fix this

[stray forge]

I miss u too bestie ERM I MEAN

[jagged aspen]

you cant request repair without party?

[brisk scarab]

Had the most perfect m10 run for a clear ever

Then 3 fucking die to the CW alley oop with puddles

https://tenor.com/view/looking-at-each-other-house-md-hugh-laurie-robert-sean-leonard-dr-wilson-gif-17921409581260929372

[stray forge]

Many such cases

Simply

Give up

It’s Monday night vro

[rain geode]

omg it happened I finally got a group to Arena Split in an Arena split prog group

[stray forge]

Everyone in this channel is a masochist

[jolly flume]

true

that's why I play xiv for the 47 weeks where we don't have new content per expansion

[sleek moon]

ofc the pull i fuck up we clear

oh well

[rain geode]

clears a clear its something Im not getting

[sleek moon]

we lost one of our days this week so we had this as make-up day, and we cleared in one pull

honestly i hadnt opened pf in primal in a while, but this aint too bad for an overflow dc

[tulip wraith]

better than crystal

[craggy marsh]

Chat my neighbor is spying on me

[tulip wraith]

toss a rock at them

[shy obsidian]

Very fun and competent party for Vamp :)
and then the viper and tef mage are MIA

[jolly flume]

always

[shy obsidian]

funny names

[stray forge]

I like Egg Plant

I also really like eating eggplant

[tulip wraith]

redmages dont taste great

unless its a lala, might be potato flavored

[shy obsidian]

is

[stray forge]

something is sus

[remote gate]

i fucking did it chat

literally frames away from wiping

got earrings

[sleek moon]

good job!

[rapid whale]

congrats!

[remote gate]

week 1 clears are tight as hell

[clear plume]

pog gz gamer

[rapid whale]

isnt it fun

[jolly flume]

this tier reminded me why I play this game ngl

the devs can still cook

[rapid whale]

makes me excited for the 7.5 ultimate if they cooked this hard

[limpid edge]

the ult is likely a different designer entirely

do i even need to farm tomes on healer anymore?

it's just 3 pieces

[craggy marsh]

7.5 ult genuinely has me interested bc who knows what theme the fight will be

Eden Ult coming before Shinryu threw me for a ride

[sleek moon]

it is a different designer, but also each savage fight has its own individual designer

[jolly flume]

I give zero fucks what it is as long as it's good

and I have hope

[sleek moon]

there will be a famitsu post in a couple months with an interview with each floor designer

[craggy marsh]

"So what was your inspiration for M10"

"Gay Sex"

[limpid edge]

did jp think fru was the best ult?

[jolly flume]

say gex

[scarlet lintel]

🤔 I don’t have an alt. Should I do reclears to try to get myself gear, join merc parties for Gil and remain undergeared, or make a merc party to get gear this week so I don’t have to worry about it and can merc freely after

[wicked delta]

Surfer bros are the gayest men out there

Swimmers are gay af too

[jolly flume]

idk about that y-

yeah I was boutta say

[limpid edge]

curious what ozma worked on besides CoD in DT

[jolly flume]

mb

[sleek moon]

you know i noticed watching hector m10s vid

this kinda looks like ahegao face

[rapid whale]

a what

[wicked delta]

Bro…

[craggy marsh]

Bro...

[rapid whale]

is that some vtuber or something

[jolly flume]

I was gonna say idk about that you should've seen my hs swim team

[sleek moon]

dw about it

[wicked delta]

I cant

I fucking cant

[craggy marsh]

Chiyo was staring at the swim team

[rapid whale]

bro i dont keep up w/ this shit

[wicked delta]

Dont worry about it Bapple

[jolly flume]

it's this

[rapid whale]

ohh

[sleek moon]

why does that emoji exist

[jolly flume]

idk

[rapid whale]

the idgetbannedfortyping it face

[jolly flume]

yeah

[wicked delta]

I was friends with a pretty big male swimteam and I heard shit more gay than my own existence

I was like

[jolly flume]

hey man

we had 25 guys and 3 shower stalls

[wicked delta]

Kinda offended here like I really got out gay’d by a bunch of straight dudes

[sleek moon]

sausage party

[brisk scarab]

Got my m10 clear yippeeeee

[jolly flume]

step it up, fraud

[rapid whale]

congrats!

[wicked delta]

Fraud alert! Fraud alert! Discord user Tobiased detected!

[brisk scarab]

Now should I step foot in m11....

[wicked delta]

Long live the king

[jolly flume]

it's tyranny time, folks

he knows no mercy, and he's never tasted the feet

[wicked delta]

I cant believe he actually says “tyranny time”

[wicked delta]

Well I fucking hope not

[jolly flume]

my second favorite line of the tier

first is heyyyyy

save some fun for me

[wicked delta]

All of deep blue’s lines are funny af

[rain geode]

I used to like that line

I hate it now

[brisk scarab]

Probably my favorite enrage line is from m10

[sleek moon]

i think nothing beats "let's do it together bro"

the way he says bro

is like

[jolly flume]

bet you've never seen anything this gnarly

[sleek moon]

so

[brisk scarab]

Actually calls us losers LOL

[sleek moon]

bro

[clear plume]

what a sad life for him frfr

[wicked delta]

?

[jolly flume]

[rain geode]

uh spoilers I havnt gotten there

[wicked delta]

???

Freaks in endgame lounge bruh

[brisk scarab]

I DIDNT SAY IT

[sleek moon]

i also like how the tyrant uses "unenhanced warrior" as a slur

[jolly flume]

dude my tank said the exact same thing

LOL

[sleek moon]

he gets the tone right

[craggy marsh]

Spoilers, the enrage voiceline is "Let's go do hot Gay Sex in the ring bro"

[jolly flume]

unenh*nced

[brisk scarab]

Now tell me

Is m11 really that bad

[wicked delta]

In PF it seems pretty bad

[brisk scarab]

Uh oh

[wicked delta]

[brisk scarab]

[sleek moon]

lotta mechs that make you fight for uptime, if you dont fight for uptime you hit enrage

[undone tide]

guys m12sp1 kinda fucks

like

they cooked

they made looper fun

[brisk scarab]

Why do certain phase fights get a checkpoint and others dont

[wicked delta]

Vibes

[jolly flume]

they checkpoint when they want two shorter fights of higher difficulty

[sleek moon]

atm they want to appease two groups of people

[craggy marsh]

I think if M4 had a checkpoint it would kill the momentum of it

[jolly flume]

imagine having to prog idyllic by doing p1 every pull lol

[craggy marsh]

M8 tho I feel like it could've been fine with one

[sleek moon]

we had tiers with every last boss checkpointed and tiers with no checkpoints

[brisk scarab]

M4 also doesnt do it after specific health reached

[craggy marsh]

M8 had a cutscene and everything

[jolly flume]

8's back half is too easy to be checkpointed

[brisk scarab]

The checkpoint phase bosses have two health bars right

Thats prob why

The others are continious

[sleek moon]

ppl got annoyed with panda having all checkpoints so arcadion is a mix again

[craggy marsh]

ppl got made they didn't have to do pinax every pull in p4??

[undone tide]

i significantly prefer this fight to both m4s and m8s

[jolly flume]

idk I don't think doorboss or not is inherently a bad thing for a fight but a lot of one phase fights have really weak back
halves

[craggy marsh]

people wanted to do snake 2 every pull??

[wicked delta]

I think M4s phase transition is still the coolest in the entirety of Arcadion

Just hype n aura

[sleek moon]

tbf fight design is a lot different with non checkpoint fights

[craggy marsh]

I like M4 phase transition bc it's an actual mechanic

[jolly flume]

she's using electrope to convert her body's aether!

[undone tide]

idyllic dream is a masterpiece

[sleek moon]

but the anti checkpoint crowd just wants door bosses to have loot

otherwise "waste of time"

[undone tide]

what if final phase transitions in ult actually had mechanics

[jolly flume]

I think they should stop crying and not suck

[brisk scarab]

I will say m4 is my favorite boss design

[wicked delta]

I watched a guide from Sayakei and lost track like 1 minute into idyllic dream

[craggy marsh]

UWU says hello

[limpid edge]

did you guys let the opps win?

[brisk scarab]

Is iydillic dream m11

[wicked delta]

M12

P2

[undone tide]

the door boss does have loot? it’s called allowing you to get to the final boss which actually has loot?

what a stupid argument

[undone tide]

garbage fight miss me with that shit

[craggy marsh]

it do be garbage but it has mechs for the phase transition

i'll take that over "just mit heavy"

[jolly flume]

it only half makes sense to me after clearing lol

but what a mechanic

[brisk scarab]

Is m11 good mechs that are hard or bad mechs that are hard

[jolly flume]

idk I think it's an 8/10 fight

[undone tide]

there’s ONE

ONE

good mech that is hard

[jolly flume]

people just hate it because it's an execution check

and they constantly fail it

[undone tide]

well actually

i really like the weapons its just

very repetitive

[jolly flume]

it's like reigns

[limpid edge]

i hear it's a long memory check

[jolly flume]

not hard in concept

now go do it without trolling

[undone tide]

reigns were harder and less frequent

[rapid whale]

harder for tanks maybe :^)

[jolly flume]

same type of mechanic

[sleek moon]

idyllic yeah but they are talking about m11

[jolly flume]

also they were not harder

if you have a castbar

in 11

that's just tanks

[wicked delta]

I like sort of understand it but I feel like id fuck up executing it lmao

[undone tide]

m11s has no memory mechanics

[limpid edge]

memory mechs are my weakness cuz i have bad short term memory and sometimes too lazy to macro/chat

[undone tide]

the execution is not difficult from what i’ve seen

[sleek moon]

well you better start not being lazy about chat

[undone tide]

stitching everything together appears to be the difficult part

i did a quick glance at the raidplan

[limpid edge]

CoD is one of the few times i type in chat

[rapid whale]

i heard p2 also has like a million diff solutions

[limpid edge]

only cuz i want to clear it

[sleek moon]

or have someone in your static do the memory work, but still gotta remember your clone shit

thats prob extra annoying in pf

[limpid edge]

aint no callers to do the heavy liftin, gotta memorize that shit in pF

tho i did see that macro that places stuff on the command pallete

looks neat

[sleek moon]

i saw that macro and i got more confused trying to understand it

than reading the raidplan for it

[brisk scarab]

Ooo I have two blue parses for m9 & m10

Not the best, but decent

[jolly flume]

-see player clones
-see boss aoe clones
-see boss mechanic clones
-grab tether from the right mechanic clone
-dodge first set of aoe clones
-split LPs for towers, tp alternate dimension, check which tower you need, flex as necessary, towers don't resolve yet
-resolve first set of mechanic clones
-tp back into tower dimension, solve towers, solve tower debuffs
-tp back to normal arena, solve first set of mechanic rewinds
-tp back into tower dimension, dodge second set of aoe clones
-tp back to normal arena, solve second set of mechanic rewinds
-dodge third set of aoe clones

you need to remember the initial aoe clones throughout the whole mechanic, and also the first initial player clone locations

[limpid edge]

bro i aint remembering all that shitbro

[sleek moon]

this is gonna be either a big filter for PF

or suddenly certain plugins will double the number of downloads

as soon as they update

[limpid edge]

people just gonna resort to plogins anyway

[jolly flume]

very plogonable fight I think

but man

it was amazing

[limpid edge]

i kinda want to see plugins go down on a reset day and see how many m12s reclear parties up

[jolly flume]

p2 is the best single fight I've ever done in this game I think

[dull drum]

wb p1

it has looper

[wicked delta]

How would you rate this savage tier Chiyo

[jolly flume]

9.5/10 no notes

only doorboss sucked a little and it's still not that bad

[brisk scarab]

Im controller, no plugins

Rawdogging the fights for now

[limpid edge]

so healers dont need tome gear after w4 correct?

they're done, no more farmin

i cant be arsed to cap tomes on 2 char

so im just gonnna not do it for healer char

[jolly flume]

err

no its 5 weeks

[limpid edge]

whatever ill just cap it later

[jolly flume]

double tome ring is bis

raid ring is shit

but might bring it for ultimate ig

[boreal pumice]

is it piety

[jolly flume]

yeah

[boreal pumice]

bleh

[craggy marsh]

Tfw all the "crafter mains" stop crafting for a few days when plugins are down

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-doakes-meme-doakes-suspicious-gif-496833742737182965

[limpid edge]

also when marketboard items are expensive

[boreal pumice]

i gather when plugins are down

[jolly flume]

I cry when plugins are down

[boreal pumice]

chiyo coulnt even click a leaf without a plugin

[jolly flume]

it was the plugins that prevented me from clicking the leaf

dalamud beta builds

[wicked delta]

You’re never living this down

[zealous meteor]

can chiyo even log into the fucking game without a plugin

[jolly flume]

no because I use xivlauncher

[wicked delta]

I have to use third party tools (Cloudflare Warp) to play the game

[jolly flume]

true and real

[limpid edge]

did ddos stop

surely no reason to use a vpn anymore

[boreal pumice]

seems like it

[jolly flume]

we lost 2.5 hours of blind prog on tuesday to constant fucking ddos

what a dogshit game

[limpid edge]

so maybe he was watchin

[wicked delta]

Havent seen it in a while but im not waiting to find out mid prog

[jolly flume]

I turned off warp yesterday

seems like no need anymore

at least for now

[zealous meteor]

i rawdog my connection

if i disconnect then so be it

[wicked delta]

I have it on while actively progging

Otherwise I don’t feel the need to use it

[limpid edge]

never let the BLOPS win

[jolly flume]

I never want to wait in another 1500 ddos queue again bruh

I had that shit on 24/7

so uh anyone wanna talk about how the ddos magically stopped after JP claimed world first

[wicked delta]

The opps actually won

[jolly flume]

light it up

[normal blade]

EVERYTHING BIRDS

[boreal pumice]

i wonder how much ppl paid for stuff like warp

[sleek moon]

warp is free

exitlag is the one people paid for

[rain geode]

That was the first party I thought could maybe clear and we disbanded 🙁

[boreal pumice]

man i have to make a choice tomorrow since tomes will be capping

[remote gate]

where are you in terms of this tier shinra

[boreal pumice]

stalling in oc so 0/12

[remote gate]

im so sorry

[vast jacinth]

I didnt prog m11s again and im not rdy for reclear

Reclear in pf will be hell i guess

[remote gate]

im hoping 9s reclear won't be dogshit

[rain geode]

Are you doing them in PF

[remote gate]

probably ngl

[boreal pumice]

i only need 40 more pots , 1 dow/dom for a full set but i did sign up for FT newbie next week hopefully im on

[vast jacinth]

By the time i have everything i will just skip fights probably to make it faster :)

[sleek moon]

if you get people who spent the entire week progging 10, 11 or 12 then they will make your 9 reclear hell

[limpid edge]

reclear HECK

[boreal pumice]

whys that think they forgot the fight?

[rain geode]

I resent that Ive spent all week progging 10 and Im sure I can comfortably do a M9S reclear

[sleek moon]

yeah

[remote gate]

should I log check or look at ilvl on the team

[sleek moon]

even in statics reclearing the first fight on the second week tends to be a shitshow

people start failing mechanics they did fine on the first clear/prog

it turns into a reprog

[remote gate]

sounds like ultimate totem parties ngl

[rain geode]

I mean Im expecting some problems as people clean up but it shouldnt be that bad

[boreal pumice]

my brain looking at m12p2 and im not even doing the fight

[rain geode]

Although at this point when I do M9S reclear maybe I do get confused when I dont get a fire or water debuff

If I do M9S reclears

[shy obsidian]

GREEDY

[echo ibex]

I'mma do ugly things to someone

[amber fable]

Make duty complete party at reset

Surely 1 pull

[echo ibex]

Sure wanna come

[amber fable]

I am stuck at m10 still

[echo ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[rain geode]

mood

[amber fable]

My plan is to do this at reset

[rain geode]

Trying to force myself to hop back into PF for a clear

[amber fable]

I am at enrage anyway

Might as well make duty complete

[rain geode]

Lmao

[worn bluff]

ngl i already forgot m9

[boreal pumice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/894746221749624885/994717814780870656/ezgif-5-863af6e350.gif

[amber fable]

I just remember to dodge bat

Everything else is kinda just going with motion

[worn bluff]

everything is dodge aoe

go out to wall dodge aoe

[rain geode]

Its very much a fight were can look at every mechanic

[shy obsidian]

sooooo i need a pic of the Cell priorities here

I'm familiar with the DPS range but not the support range

[amber fable]

What priority

For ss2 adds?

[shy obsidian]

so i don't accidentally rush into the healer's tower and miss my own

[sleek moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjA5nbxtNEQ

[cerulean crown]

support is just tank gets first from a, healer gets second

[amber fable]

Tower is just quadrant

[shy obsidian]

well yeah

[amber fable]

Its not even snake prio

Remember your waymarks

Get tower close to it

Mech done

[rain geode]

Hector guide out before I finished M10S oof

[remote gate]

ill give you oblation and tbns for raid wides

[dull drum]

tank tank tank for heartbreak is pf standard now

[remote gate]

goat posted

[limpid edge]

any shiggies in the chat?

[rain geode]

I want to PF but I also just reaaaaly dont

[amber fable]

I am not even raiding most days atm

Too busy playing rogue trader

[rain geode]

Honestly good call M10S PF is to cooked

[visual knot]

Why is M11s pf arguing about which waypoints to use now?

The clockspot ones we used early in the week already covered the Arena Split spots

but now we have these outer ones that apparently tether players need?

like the edge of the arena wasn't good enough to use?

[jolly flume]

eyes r hard bro

how will I know where to go if I don't have a marker..

[stray forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1441502195379077170/1456804517382455309/01.gif

[rain geode]

I just Im so tired of snaking prog

[stray forge]

I think this week traumatized me

I’m never PF again

[rain geode]

Like maybe Im out of touch, Is Snaking like actually such an insanely hard mechanic?

[stray forge]

Idk what that is but it probably isn’t

[low hearth]

Where’d it go bro

https://tenor.com/view/aliphobe-spiderman-evaporating-reaching-spiderman-reaching-gif-18192576

[thin fox]

the definitive M11S image

[solar marsh]

ur gonna love m12s

[rain geode]

Honestly Im just amazed there are M11S PF parties

[thin fox]

I have never taken this long to complete a savage fight I think

in terms of pull count

[solar marsh]

tier is brutal

pure consistency checks
at least in PF

[low hearth]

Did he take the video down bruh

[rain geode]

Like it sucks because I want to clear but I dont think Ill ever be able to

[low hearth]

M10s was crazy bruh

22 hours

👉 📉

[wheat marsh]

im definitely not consistent XD so im not trapping anyone by not unlocking it XD

[random needle]

Maybe he noticed a major mistake after uploading

[solar marsh]

m11s is lowkey harder than m8s

and that fight was already hard

in terms of svg

[rain geode]

no ones instantly consistent but if you list your prog point as Arena split Id like to think you can get to arena split

[stray forge]

me when i see an enrage prog group and the party leader has only gotten to 25% and has never done over 24k dps as mdps

[solar marsh]

the thing is

[low hearth]

It’s not that bad bro

Like first 7 minutes are kinda brain off

[solar marsh]

people have been meming weapons so hard ive lost count

[jolly flume]

how many u at

[thin fox]

177

m6s was 102 pulls for reference

m3s and m7s were both <100

[jolly flume]

I think bapple was over 200 but yeah it be like that

[low hearth]

👉

[jolly flume]

mfs when there is a consistency check in the form of enrage

[thin fox]

I don't know exactly how many p10s was (tomestone doesn't have the data) but it was definitely not too much considering I had enough time to clear p11s week 1

[stray forge]

[solar marsh]

m11s pusnishes greed or slow mechanic resolve so hard it's crazy

[thin fox]

but yeah this is just insane

Ive met people with >300

400

pulls

[clear plume]

rprs strongest soldier has fallen

[jolly flume]

you can greed you just can't suck at greed

[low hearth]

Weapons are hard man

[jolly flume]

wasn't he cooly uchiha

did he name change

[clear plume]

he renamed

[low hearth]

Cooly Cooly

[jolly flume]

gg

[rain geode]

Im coming to the realization that if you do things in PF its basically just a random number of pulls

[jolly flume]

new name new cooly

new job stone too

[solar marsh]

not saying its bad

[low hearth]

Damn he actually on m12 enrage

[solar marsh]

its just PF players all wanna greed one more 1-2-3 combo

[low hearth]

[rain geode]

I just want to do something else besides snaking prog

[thin fox]

Ill take an anychest

I dont care

I just want out

[rain geode]

There no way Im getting the clear in like 3 hours in PF so Ive accepted that Im not getting this W1

[low hearth]

Check out this smooth teamwork! 🤙🏿 🏄

[rain geode]

honestly I dont know if I can even do it W2

To be honest Ive reach the point where Im not sure I have the ability to ever clear

[low hearth]

It’s not that bad if people don’t troll snaking

[quick verge]

oh hell no

[rain geode]

That part of why Im crashing out like I feel like it isnt that hard but like Im still failing

[clear plume]

luckily my goat rpr is out here doing his thing

p sure hes just the only gear fed rpr but

its funny

[low hearth]

Reclears tomorrow finna be crazy bruh

[jolly flume]

I think your expectations were just too high for a first tier

you'll get better with time

[low hearth]

I don’t remember anything in m9s

[visual geyser]

bro im cryin

[jolly flume]

I don't either

[visual geyser]

I mean you don’t need to remember shit

[vestal hollow]

IT IS DONE

MY GREAT WORK IS COMPLETE

[rain geode]

The frusteration is I dont know what to do better usually usually its pretty obvious but like how do you get better to clear if people just dont even reach the listed prog point

Like Im doing snaking right and Im keeping the people who dont just get one shot to messing it up alive

[visual geyser]

Damn

Do you have Everyjob leveled

I still don’t have a single new PH fully leveled

[jolly flume]

you could tell me he's the only rpr and I'd probably believe it ngl

[visual geyser]

They should’ve added like 2 fates

[jolly flume]

I feel like nobody plays that job anymore since viper came out

[vestal hollow]

yes, 15/15

[visual geyser]

12/15

What’s the deal with reaper in the new tier

[jolly flume]

then that's not you, that's just the pf experience

[visual geyser]

Sad because reaper is 20 times cooler than viper

[jolly flume]

idk, you just have to realize that you're 1/8th of the party and even as a healer where you have massive amounts of agency in prog there's only so much you can do

pf is just like that

prog in general is like that

[thin fox]

wait i made that

[vestal hollow]

phantom dancer and gladiator are goated actually, dnc is oracle but you cant actually kill yourself

[visual geyser]

Phantom dancer is cool

[vestal hollow]

gladiator can do 500k damage

if it wants

[visual geyser]

Need 1 more level for it

Gladiator I heard is poor samurai so uninterested

[vestal hollow]

gamba sam

[thin fox]

Ive reached a point of zen

Im no longer upset about m11s

I have accepted that this is my home

[rain geode]

I think Im close to there myself not there yet tho

[low hearth]

@thin fox why is that 2 minute at the start of arena split so shit for tanks and melees

[clear plume]

if it makes u feel better, a w1 static i know took 3 days to clear 11

[thin fox]

?

no its not?

oh wait you mean m10s

[low hearth]

Nah m11

[thin fox]

oh

then idk what you mean

its not bad at all

you literally get to do your full burst before you enter towers

[clear plume]

you just delay until after the knockup a few gcds and youre fine

[rain geode]

Its a slot machine Im pretty sure I can do the fight from start to finish just need to get lucky and get an okay party

[low hearth]

Oh

[thin fox]

you pot right before the knockup cast finishes

and then burst when you come back down

[thin fox]

this is because this is right at 6:00 and doing it here means your pot comes back right at 10:30

[low hearth]

Ok bet

[clear plume]

i just did 0/5/10 pots

better than a 10:30 pot

[thin fox]

pf has gotta do 0 6 10:30

because

pf

[clear plume]

you dont need to do it bc the rest of the party is

[jolly flume]

it makes sense for 2s jobs I guess

they hold buffs for the last pot because their asses are all seeing the enrage cast no matter what

and if you desync buffs now you def ain't clearing with their damage lol

[clear plume]

pf isnt holding buffs for pots i promise u

if its a 10:30 pot that shits just outside of buffs

if they had players capable of considering that, theyd do 0510 and not need to do it

[low hearth]

Gotta get the week 2 savage clear 🥀

[amber fable]

Week 2 clear is good

For pf atleast

[low hearth]

Does that shit even mean anything 😭

Like who cares

[amber fable]

Neither does week 1

[low hearth]

A clear is a clear

[amber fable]

Tbf

[worn bluff]

i mean it's nice to have personal goals

[clear plume]

I’m gonna be honest, shits a mmo grinding 30 hours in 2 days to clear most of the fights when you’re not even racing isn’t a flex it’s bc it’s fun to push yourself

[worn bluff]

just don't expect other people to recognize it

[amber fable]

Yeah

Its really what your expectations are

[worn bluff]

just do it for yourself

[stray forge]

the hell is tmr debuff pop

[pale blade]

it does for my tiny ego :(

[stray forge]

[amber fable]

Tmr?

M10?

[stray forge]

[amber fable]

?

I dont remember that

[rain geode]

Might as well pray

[stray forge]

people out here losing their minds

[rain geode]

Im out here losing my mind

[stray forge]

wait should I delete that since it has name in it

[amber fable]

Too late

[stray forge]

[vestal hollow]

they mean vamp stomp

which is

really weird

[amber fable]

Now we know whos the bumass

Vamp stomp is really just use eyes

And dont clip

[vestal hollow]

yep

[stray forge]

it is literally

[amber fable]

People overcomplicating shit

[stray forge]

the simplest mechanic

[vestal hollow]

it's tmr usually anyways lol

[clear plume]

What tf is vamp stomp

[amber fable]

Bat aoes

The first mech

[low hearth]

Tmr debuff pop

[stray forge]

if you wait for the first wave of bats to pop, literally half the raid team can walk in at the same time if they are coming from cardinal directions

[amber fable]

I aint doing allat

[low hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-deglove-degloving-speed-grolemcorp-gif-2628858460915389297

[clear plume]

Why would ranged be in an order? They just go to their corner and pop it there

[amber fable]

I hard cast hs for safety and chill

Mech done

[sleek moon]

But uptime

[amber fable]

One gcd uptime vro

[rain geode]

I was gonna say the only thing you really decide for stomp is tanks or meleedps first

[amber fable]

Both can pop at once

Just dont clip

[vestal hollow]

melee usually pop first anyways

[rain geode]

now I want an edit of the one car meme where its like "who goes first" and someone responded with "everyone at once, but be careful"

[jolly flume]

why decide

just have your tanks invuln and stack

now both your melees can pop individually in the other half

[amber fable]

Invuln will come back for final tb

Might try that

[rain geode]

Then do that IG

[jolly flume]

no you just invuln both stomps

why are you invulning first floor tbs

[amber fable]

Cant on pld

[jolly flume]

that shit does less damage than the 12 raidwide

uh don't play pld

[amber fable]

🥀

[jolly flume]

:)

[clear plume]

Ok but consider if they’re super large then you can stack N at max melee and if melees die south then you drop a ?

[jolly flume]

gl melees

[clear plume]

Works size wise in normal mode at least, haven’t checked savage

[jolly flume]

yall figure it out

[amber fable]

I had this vpr who would die repeatedly there

Like bro is playing prange melee and cant greed

[clear plume]

There are two types of vpr players

Week 1 this job is free so I should play it

And pf “I cannot play other jobs bc this one is free” so I should should play it

And you get vastly different experiences

[thin fox]

why are you joining a clear party when you cant do orbital omen

at all

science cannot answer

[amber fable]

Me when I lie

[rain geode]

Ill never get the insistence on greeding like my M9S clear had 5 greys

[worn bluff]

what if i invuln and don't tell anyone and just pop

and whatever happens happens

[clear plume]

In a discord I’m in a bard main got mch drop week and

[worn bluff]

but not to me

[clear plume]

Week 1

It’s so over

[jolly flume]

tyfh (thank you for hold)

[clear plume]

Our rng was swapped