endgame-lounge

[fierce matrix]

But why not make it absolutely easy

[thin fox]

because classic case of people know one way and dont wanna spend time learning another way

[fierce matrix]

Its not even hard

If anything you just need to look at first intersection and move on cast

There is less 2 1 2 bullshit diagonal dodging whatever

Also I get told "oh tethers go cw for ecliptic"

So I bring them clockwise and stretch

"No actually its clockwise from the opposite side"

So its CCW?

"No thats CW"

You fuckers

[thin fox]

its confusingly told but you imagine stretching it all the way out and then moving 1 spot cw

[fierce matrix]

So you bring it CCW

[thin fox]

if you imagine it like a clock spot it makes sense

i mean it can be either ccw or cw depending on how you frame the problem lol

im just saying youre using a difference frame of reference

[fierce matrix]

Well when nothing says "stretch tether first"

Im using the portal as my frame of reference

[torn kindle]

I hate M11S PF so much

[fierce matrix]

Dont get me started on 10s too

[torn kindle]

I have 5 different raid plans and 4 of those are just on arena split

[fierce matrix]

I got into a stupid ass argument with another tank

[torn kindle]

The most minute of differences

[fierce matrix]

For the last fucking buster

Idk how its hard to realize the simple thing that the WATER BOSS follows the WATER TANK, so who is furthest from the WATER BOSS? The FIRE TANK

So who should take the far buster

[torn kindle]

“Stand on this corner of the marker for this raid plan, but you die if you use this raid plan with a very slightly different waymark placement”

[fierce matrix]

A. The tank thats right underneath the boss thats following him

B. The tank thats opposite and furthest away from the water boss

[thin fox]

I might just make my own pf tomorrow

[fierce matrix]

I WONDER

[thin fox]

tf + kindred (no buddies) + party / invuln / invuln towers

[fierce matrix]

Party invuln invuln is gonna make me crash out ngl LOL

That shit is so stupid

[thin fox]

good i don't gaf about your second melee lb

[fierce matrix]

When you hit enrage

You will

[thin fox]

we're not hitting enrage over a second lb3 we're hitting enrage because PEOPEL KEEP FUCKING DYING TO THE FIRST 3 MINUTES OF MECHANICS IN THE FIGHT

[low hearth]

mb

[thin fox]

because these

FAT GREEDY MELEE

OOOHHH IM RUBBING MY BELLY GREEDING A GCD AND NOT MAKING IT TO MY PROTEAN SPOT

[rapid whale]

Skull issue

[fierce matrix]

Tbh thats just normal

[thin fox]

THEY DONT EVEN MAKE IT INSIDE THE DONUT

[fierce matrix]

If a party is consistent on tethers just stick with their weapons griefing

[thin fox]

youre a viper with fucking 30 gap closers and infinite ranged gcds

if ur not making it to protean spots

buddy

uninstall

[fierce matrix]

Id rather die to weapons 10 times for melee greed then wipe to tethers 10 times because idiots

Because one clean pull of weapons is a kill

[thin fox]

I DONT KNOW IF THEY CAN BE CONSISTENT ON TETHERS BECAUSE WE KEEP DYING TO MELEE GREED 😭

[fierce matrix]

Also melee greed isnt really hard tbh

And this comes from a MT who has the hardest spot

[thin fox]

the melee in pf make it look fucking impossible!!

i just pld this fight so i get to use holy spirit everywhere

my clear bout to have 10 hardcasts

[rapid whale]

Lp into protein must be miserable as mt

[fierce matrix]

Yeah

[low hearth]

[fierce matrix]

And I still greed the GCD

You should see how much of a terrorist i am in M12S P2

[thin fox]

if i do my rotation correctly

[fierce matrix]

The busters are fucking great

[thin fox]

no matter what combo of weapons it is

the only weapon i straight up have to get greedy on is axe

[fierce matrix]

Weak

[thin fox]

but axe is the easiest to greed

[fierce matrix]

Ngl I think sword is

[thin fox]

its probs cuz axe is less running to position for

i would be fucked on non pld tank

[fierce matrix]

Play GNB during it

Im a fucking rat with my GCD

[thin fox]

tomahawk gaming

[fierce matrix]

Nah

Listen

There is no such thing as greed

Its good play or bad play

Tomahawk is also bad play

[thin fox]

its a shame that hardcast holy spirit is better than shield lob because shield lob is the best throw animation

hm

this is definitely the hardest third fight right

this easily clears 3 and 7

[tired egret]

what if Stance activation gave a 30s buff to Tank's ranged aggro tools?

similar to Dragoon's backflip now buffing piercing talon

[rapid whale]

doesnt reusing stance just turn off stance tho

[tired egret]

oh ye

[rapid whale]

Give it the same potency as a 1 from 123 and give it a 10s cd

Dungeon packs are far apart enough where that isn't an issue and doesn't invalidate mechanics ig

[tired egret]

ah ye

also just noticed

WAR already has that...

[deft yarrow]

im free from pf mines (for now)

[thin fox]

you dont even know what suffering is buddy

[deft yarrow]

got two days to clear m11s to match my progression in the previous tier

[low hearth]

M11s worse bro ?

[royal ginkgo]

furen whats that chinese nmae xD

😱

[sick reef]

everyone is in their chinese era, join us twin

[royal ginkgo]

[thin tartan]

15 mil m10

on alt

meanwhile i ahd to sac or troll on main

twice

[valid solar]

are you the dnc

[thin tartan]

have u ever seen me on dnc

[valid solar]

[dapper zealot]

No but I've personally never seen on anything

Therefore you are the dnc

[zealous meteor]

i think you're the AST

[daring pine]

im the drk

[valid solar]

billy is tank so probably the gnb

[amber fable]

Wasnt billy melee

[stray forge]

What is a Chinese era

[sleek moon]

WWM

[stray forge]

What if I’m actually Chinese aren’t I always in my Chinese era

[amber fable]

No

[sleek moon]

not unless you play WWM

[stray forge]

I don’t care for ai chat gacha 🥀

[zealous meteor]

wwite mage?

[amber fable]

Ai slop is future

[pale blade]

Where Whales Meet

[grand obsidian]

anybody have tips for my sam rot

[amber fable]

Its called uninstalling game

[sleek moon]

simply do not die

[dapper zealot]

You need to keep your enpi rolling smh

[sleek moon]

also you missed a tengetsu

[stray forge]

I’ve been Chinese since the day I was born vro

[sleek moon]

help your healers

[pale blade]

yeah uh, you gotta delete your service account, fake your death, assume a new life living as a hermit in the Tian Shan range

in no particular order btw

[loud nymph]

SAM joins pf that already has 2 melees, "don't worry I can fake ranged"

[sleek moon]

ngl there was a dark era of ffxiv where cross world party finder wasnt a thing, and sometimes filling a party meant triple melee

had to do cursed shit like that

though sometimes it was the OT that was sent to the corner

[amber fable]

Pld can fake range

Just chug some ethers

[sleek moon]

in that era holy spirit wasnt a thing

[worn bluff]

if they didn’t die it would have been a pretty standard rotation

[mortal flower]

Is this the fabled uptime rotation people keep talking about?

[grand obsidian]

yes

[zealous meteor]

@jolly flume looks different

[sick reef]

either ur chosen or ur not 🇨🇳

[worn bluff]

i’m gonna uninstall now

[sly basin]

hehehe

[sleek moon]

you had one job

and you're a day late for it

[sly basin]

i didnt realize time had passed

[tulip wraith]

@daring pine did you end up beating vamp

[daring pine]

im going back in tonight w my static

im just chilling in crystal

[tulip wraith]

realness

[daring pine]

aerid i've had a change of heart

[tulip wraith]

how so

[daring pine]

maybe i dont hate mviera

just the ugly ones

[tulip wraith]

LOL

your heart grew three sizes

[daring pine]

that's probably not good

[tulip wraith]

well youre still alive

im going to the pf mines tonight and tomorrow to try and clear m10s before weekly reset

and so hopefully our static can clear on tuesday when we meet again

[daring pine]

damn it

[tulip wraith]

truth nuke...

[daring pine]

hoping to clear tonight

we're on hell in a cell

just need to clean that up and then the mech after

i love being dps wooh i love getting gear

[random needle]

I feel like Undead Deathmatch might end up going rough for us, but I'm hoping it'll be okay

[daring pine]

because of the movement?

[random needle]

Yeah, we'll see how people manage for it

[daring pine]

i'm only really worried about the melees and tanks

tbh

i'll be fine because i'm prange anyway, you'll probably be fine too

[random needle]

Yeye

Worst case, I should be able to keep some Accels and swift stocked for it

[daring pine]

yup yup

you could probably squeeze in a melee combo right before you need to move too

that's what i ended up doing for most movement mechs last tier

[random needle]

Also true

[daring pine]

free gcds lol

[random needle]

I've been doing that for the coffinmaker

[daring pine]

just don't be too greedy with the timing because it will absolutely fuck you over

and throw you in a blender

accurate because of how many damn spikes are under that arena

[random needle]

I'm the certified least greedy caster in existence

[daring pine]

ooo you're so small and ungreedy

melees are big and greedy

[worn bluff]

give in to the greed

[daring pine]

melees rubbing their belly after greeding 1 singular gcd for minimal gains

[worn bluff]

[tulip wraith]

i believe

[daring pine]

i believe

niko do you believe in me

[random needle]

I think I only died once last night that wasn't leading directly into a wipe

[sleek moon]

be worried about the casters

[daring pine]

staring at sapph

[worn bluff]

i believe

[daring pine]

we love movement

we love movement so much

[kind elm]

its ok sapph cooks

[worn bluff]

dps check isn’t bad you can drop a few gcds for clear if you really want

[tulip wraith]

the only wall our static felt in m9 was ss2 and the chained bats, then normal bats for melees

i got to sit pretty in a corner dodging whenever i wanted to :D

[worn bluff]

i hate normal bats

i want to run in first but idk what the melee gonna do

[random needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-cat-feeder-cat-erm-hes-right-behind-me-cat-staring-at-cat-gif-4605633087107726495

[kind elm]

assuming your melees are on their cardinals properly, you can move in as soon as the first set of bats pops

if the melees rotate to dodge the aoes tho then you explode

[worn bluff]

yeah i mean the super early pop where you go before the bats even go off

[kind elm]

o

i didnt even know that was an option ngl

[worn bluff]

it’s usually fine if the melee doesn’t pop early

[kind elm]

i always wait for first bats

[worn bluff]

but if they also pop early you’re dead

[sleek moon]

we only have 1 melee in my group and they still managed to kill each other every pull

[worn bluff]

yeah it’s like 2s vuln you can pair up with a melee and stand where the bats start

[sleek moon]

melee and the 2 tanks

[worn bluff]

one pop after the other but good luck doing that in pf

[sleek moon]

or tank rotating towards fake melee (me) and booming in front of me

like im almost at the wall

wtf do you want me to do

[kind elm]

im a good girl i just stay at my cardinal and let the bats do their thang

unmends be damned

im drk my damage between 2mins doesnt matter

[random needle]

I love just dancing up in my corner and waiting for the ring to come to me

[kind elm]

[worn bluff]

i used so much holy spirit this tier so far

i’ve prob hardcasted more than the entire rest of the time i’ve played PLD

[kind elm]

i think cats said something about using like 14 unmends in m10s

so i was like "ok so my uptime is fucked gg unmend gaming"

[daring pine]

help there's a pimple on my back and i cant see it

unless i break my neck

[kind elm]

🥀

[worn bluff]

if you can’t see it it doesn’t exist

[daring pine]

wait

true

[worldly grotto]

This is awesome

[kind elm]

"why not standard: contains your death"

i love enpi gapclose into enpi

[sleek moon]

gotta get the enhanced enpi gains

[vestal hollow]

mmmf

enpi

[worldly grotto]

Where’s the shinten rotatiom where you just spam yukikaze

[scarlet lintel]

can trying to host a merc party for m12s prog help with clearing it? idk if enough people in pf have cleared or what amount of gil is reasonable. and without full loot

[rain geode]

Yeah I think M10S PF is to dried up at this point rip.

(dried see what I did there)

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[sleek moon]

its also kinda very early

[rain geode]

Honestly the teams I get in the morning are usually slight better

not good enough to get past double alleyoop but y'know

[worn bluff]

yesterday m10 had the most PFs up

[rain geode]

Yeah I did a bunch last night

[worn bluff]

prob need to wait a bit in the day yeah

[rain geode]

not a single party got past double alleyoop

[wintry elbow]

how do i find where my logs are?

[zealous meteor]

look your character up on tomestone.gg

is probably the easiest way

[boreal pumice]

fflogs type in your name

[wintry elbow]

is tomestone and fflogs the same thing?

[sleek moon]

tomestone pulls data from fflogs

and presents it in a different way

[wintry elbow]

ooo i found me 😄

[sleek moon]

but all logs are still uploaded to fflogs directly

[rain geode]

Finding parties isnt the problem

[wintry elbow]

why does it say the doom train has less progression then the vamp but i been further in doomtrain?

[rain geode]

Did you upload your logs

[sleek moon]

someone didnt upload the log where you got further in doomtrain

[worn bluff]

less people upload extreme logs

[sleek moon]

people generally rarely upload non clear logs

[worn bluff]

mostly just the auto upload people will give you progression logs

[sleek moon]

and even clear logs sometimes go without getting uploaded

[wintry elbow]

oh, i wanted to see my damage

ok, thank you 😄

[worn bluff]

basically there are people who set their logs to auto upload whenever they pop up, but in extremes you have more casual players who don’t even log at all

so the chance your extreme log doesn’t get uploaded is pretty high

i think i have 10 zelenia kills or so and none of them show

[rain geode]

I upload every thing for savage but I only upload clears for ex

[boreal pumice]

i just check if ppl log my ex clears since i dont do it myself

[rain geode]

god talking about made me check my tomestone and I really wish I hadn't

[limpid edge]

My tomestone!!!

M10S has like x3 more things to know than M9S

Feels like an actual savage!

[rain geode]

Im just sad I missed the window to clear it in PF

[limpid edge]

But also the uptime is rough. I imagine a whole ton of uptime optimization strats for it

And 2 target stuff

[worn bluff]

yeah m10 is fun

m9 is more of a transition from extreme

still fun too

[sleek moon]

says a lot about this game's balance that you need a shitton of downtime and basically zero positionals for melees to be in line with non melees dps wise

[limpid edge]

Is mch beating melees in m10s?

[sleek moon]

lmaono

[limpid edge]

Could be

[rain geode]

Honestly I find M10 very unfun

[sleek moon]

but the gap is much smaller than it normally is

as a non melee i find it alright, but im not dealing with PF

[rain geode]

It might be a fun fight if I wasnt PFing it

[worn bluff]

i hear m11 is more of a classical savage fight

[sleek moon]

like for 9 hell in a cell was a nothingburger of a mechanic but apparently PF is hard struggling with it

[worn bluff]

probably poke around in it today

[rain geode]

In my 100 pulls most of my time was actually spent in scratch 2

[sleek moon]

but also the relative ease of 9 means you have to deal with a lot more unprepared people in 10

[worn bluff]

i feel like people don’t know sometimes it’s better to dodge closer and go over 2 slices at a time

oh wait no

that’s deathmatch

idk why people struggle with hell in a cell

[rain geode]

Hell in a cell just messes people up since you have to be somewhat quick

[sleek moon]

they cant find north

north is lost

[rain geode]

I didnt have hell in a cell down until the third pull I got to it

[worn bluff]

there’s a marker for north

one time the other tank murdered us by going to the small hole

you had one job man

[wintry elbow]

i couldn't figure out that website, can anyone look at the logs and tell me if i so terrible i need to stop endgame? 😄

[worn bluff]

use xivanalysis.com to get tips on how you’re doing

the fflogs number gives you an idea of how much you need to improve but there are other variables like gear, crit, kill time

[jolly flume]

halfway through idyllic

pray for us

[random needle]

You will clear before week 1 is over

[jolly flume]

this shit hits like top p6 but the raidwides happen twice as often

I am just

perma shitting bricks holy fuck

[wicked delta]

Isn’t this what you wished for

[jolly flume]

YES

I LOVE IT

IT HURTS SO GOOD

[craggy marsh]

Babies first snake prio

Even though the mechanic is literally "find north"

[rain geode]

EX anyone willing to put in the effort can clear

[sleek moon]

are we still talking about savage

[rain geode]

Savage on the other hand seems hard enough there are a lot of people who will never clear no matter how hard they try

[worn bluff]

eh idk

even ultimates a lot of people can eventually clear with enough time

the amount of time varies a lot but i wouldn’t say impossible

are there people who should get better in other areas before attempting the content? yeah for sure

[mortal flower]

I feel like 'at some point' only really counts for like statics/people willing to coach someone who can't follow along, to tell them what to do.

Versus just PF/no battle comm situations

[jade nimbus]

ok, very important question

[worn bluff]

well you have people that take like a year to clear legacy ultimates

[jade nimbus]

does anyone have the peach strategy board

[worn bluff]

in PF

but they get there eventually

should they have done something else with their time? idk

[rain geode]

I mean I don't know if I believe that especially now.

[snow smelt]

!mute 160765410059223041 1h

[storm frost]

Success!

@mortal flower has been muted by @snow smelt for 1 hour!

[wicked delta]

[worn bluff]

i watched a streamer idk remember their name but they had decent viewers and their static was really bad at FRU. like worse than an average PF, so they took a long time. but eventually they cleared

[wicked delta]

what did they do

[worn bluff]

like they didn’t have good callouts, just people crashing out over their personal mistakes on open mic

i think it was just they had newer raiders and didn’t really plan much out. but eventually you get a pull that kills the boss

[rain geode]

As long as you can learn mechanics sure I've been seeing a lot of people who simply can't learn mechanics lol

[worn bluff]

with dsr and top i guess impossible is a better word to use

IMO most other content can be brute forced eventually if you don’t lose your sanity or get blacklisted by everyone before then. not saying that you should do it that way

[rain geode]

I guess eventually you can unsync it lmao

[worn bluff]

i guess bc any griefer i encountered in FRU PF no matter how bad they were, they cleared the fight eventually

that’s why i believe anyone can do it with enough time

[sleek moon]

bad word

[worn bluff]

obv people should try to improve though. so you don’t become said griefer

[sleek moon]

but yeah ive had terrible static mates in savage that cleared ultis

with enough time anyone can clear anything

[boreal pumice]

being good at one fight doesnt mean your good at others

[kind elm]

i geniunely believe none of the fights in this game are hard enough for anyone to be purely unable to clear them

[sleek moon]

all fights here are just pure memorization/positioning

and people are quick to take out AM anytime they try reaction based

[boreal pumice]

got it memorized?

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-zenos-a-test-of-your-reflexes-heart-locket-final-fantasy-gif-27521326

[jolly flume]

the fucking candy soaks into 250k lp stack into 250k raidwide into 300k idyllic cast into 300k arena change raidwide b2b2b2b2b like are we ok

WHO COOKED THIS SHIT

[boreal pumice]

you killed it yet chiyo

[kind elm]

me

ive been a square enix insider this whole time.

[jolly flume]

no we're 7 minutes through and the fight is like 9:10

[boreal pumice]

wulfie you cant even boil water let alone cook

[worn bluff]

damn the throwback

[jolly flume]

I think if we lock in we clear today

this shit is no joke though

😭

way harder than cw

[boreal pumice]

think you can do it w1?

[jolly flume]

well yea we still have like 15 raid hours to prog two minutes of a mechanic

but it's been a struggle

[worn bluff]

i believe

[jolly flume]

my performance has also been admittedly pretty poor mechanically tbh, idk how much of that is down to fatigue but it's not been great

at least I'm playing my job well

[boreal pumice]

sch?

[jolly flume]

I've cleared every fight on a different healer so far lol

sch 9, ast 10, whm 11, sge 12

[boreal pumice]

is your partner flexing as well

[jolly flume]

he was whm 9 sch 10 11 12

[worn bluff]

i wonder if there is any fight where i can feel ok as gnb instead of pld to start

i really want to play gnb but pld is just so much comfier for prog

[vestal hollow]

gnb is good this tier

tbh

im probs gonna do m10 on gnb

[jolly flume]

pld is just too free, wings is pretty great in 12 and obviously you're basically a phys range

[vestal hollow]

pld is the one i dont have ex wep for

if i clear one more time i could get it but im lazy

[rain geode]

I don't know, I just find it hard to believe with how it already seems impossible to get a group through double alley Oops then there are harder mechanics after that two whole harder fights and then even Ults beyond that and to say any player who willing to put in the effort can clear all of that.

[sleek moon]

ima tell my static a random mechanic order and if they dont remember it in 3 days we're cooked for 12

not enough memory skills

[kind elm]

well its only been a few days since the fight even existed

[vestal hollow]

crazy to say this week 1

[sleek moon]

week 1 out of like 50

[kind elm]

give those players a month or two of prog and 99% of them could probably do it eyes closed

[sleek moon]

this fight aint going away for a whole year

[kind elm]

obviously some players will be slower than others

and some players will be so slow at prog to an insane level

[vestal hollow]

i do think broadly speaking there's considerably fewer outright shitters this tier

[kind elm]

but i dont believe that they are incapable of clearing

[boreal pumice]

and more tome gear helps to + relic if they dont have ex

[kind elm]

i think any player, given they put in the time and effort, can clear any fight in this game

no matter how skilled they may or may not be

[worn bluff]

i guess it’s moreso what “impossible” means. technically those people will clear eventually

but should some people step back and rethink if they’re ready for the content on week 1? yeah probably

[kind elm]

week 1 you will meet a significantly broader range of player skill than at any other time

[boreal pumice]

like that guy who went into savage with 745 gear

[kind elm]

youve got the S tier gamers looking for a w1 clear in PF
all the way down to
babies doing first savage and dont even know how to do their rotation because they didnt know there was a "right way"

[jolly flume]

fights are just more difficult in an non quantifiable way early on

[sleek moon]

ultimately PF is a test of patience

[kind elm]

as the weeks go on, the S tier gamers clear and the babies fall off thinking "this isnt for me" and the pool begins getting smaller and the range gets tighter

[worn bluff]

“i’ll literally buy you gear”
“no im good”

[jolly flume]

like yeah you're gear disadvantaged but there's less strat knowledge, very few if any guides

all that

[boreal pumice]

we gotta dissect you bro

[jolly flume]

like I took twice if not three, four times as many pulls to clear m8s week 1 as a lot of people I know who cleared later and most of that is not gear diff

it's just week 1 fatigue, lack of fight knowledge in general

[worn bluff]

i think people can be stubborn too. like maybe they don’t want to put in that much time to study a video game which is understandable, but then they still insist on grinding the content

[random needle]

This is generational

[kind elm]

yeah also note that time since release does NOT equate to time spent progging

i have spent a total of about 6 hours in this tier so far

most pfers havent spent that long either, prolly more than me but not rly that much more

[zealous meteor]

my goat is washed....

[kind elm]

it took me 19 pulls to clear m9s

and im like 20 somethin pulls into m10 and we're basically clear ready

[worn bluff]

gamer

[zealous meteor]

so what im hearing is i'm clearing next pull /s

[worn bluff]

tomestone making me look like idk how to press a single button

[rain geode]

I havnt gotten to do as much as I wanted to. I've done cutting out pf waiting I think 16 hours I think 33% of that has been double alleyopp 1

[random needle]

If we study HiaC enough and people don't go insane during Undead Deathmatch, maybe?

[rain geode]

Took me like 100 pulls to do vamp because I suck ass

[worn bluff]

have you seen deep aerial and are you confident in double alley oop?

[random needle]

Sucking at something is the first step to being sorta good at something

[worn bluff]

nice

[rain geode]

Deep aerial is the bubble I've technically seen it and I'm like 95% confidant I'm my ability to do double alley oop.

[kind elm]

i mean you also started way earlier than i did and in PF where the skill level has a very high vairance

[remote gate]

not 67%

[kind elm]

i started late once TF raidplan was out and with a static with a very consistent and similar skill level

[worn bluff]

hopefully you’re joining deep aerial parties and not double alley oop

[kind elm]

especially since this is your first on content savage, i know its way easier said than done but comparing yourself and frankly the other people in your pf to whatever expectation you might have of them is gonna be probably very bad for your mental

esp since this tier seems its gonna be pretty rough overall from a difficulty pov

youre probably in for a long prog, esp in pf

[zealous meteor]

as long as i don't end up in pf hell like marce did last tier i'm happy

[worn bluff]

the longer you experience PF the lower your expectations get so nothing disappoints you

[random needle]

m12s is gonna be one hell of a show for us

... When we get there, which might take a bit, but still

[worn bluff]

i just realized our m10 clear had no deaths or DDs but somehow almost hit enrage

[rain geode]

Misnomer deep aerial parties are double alley oops parties

[worn bluff]

people really not pressing button

[kind elm]

mb

[zealous meteor]

my dad got his kneecaps crushed by a button

so i refuse to press them

it's part of my character's tragic backstory that's linked on my adventurer plate

why do you refuse to accept that not everyone plays the game the same way as you do?

[worn bluff]

mb

i’ll also not press buttons, in solidarity

[stray forge]

i think im terrible at reaper

[rain geode]

Heck I snuck into a split arena prog part since deep aerial is kinda free for healer and it also just turned into double alley oops prog

[worn bluff]

parallel aerial is kind of free in general other than being annoyed when you have to run out with tether

[rain geode]

I do see very few aerial prog parties

[worn bluff]

sometimes i miss having a non targeted gap close

[brisk scarab]

As someone who hasnt done past savage, how unique were DT raids compared to other expansions

In terms of mechs

Ive been really enjoying progging m10

[kind elm]

i meaaannn

its hard to say because like when you look at it all the mechs consist of very similar things

its usually the way theyre put together that they differ

[worn bluff]

m10 is more unique than like… p6 or p10. largely due to the double boss

[kind elm]

i will say m10 has had some uniqueness in that the two light parties are on occasion doing COMPLETELY different things

and the agency in who you can put in the bubble

[worn bluff]

the heavy use of puddles and steam explosions is kind of unique

it’s more potentially free form in the sense that you can create extra explosions depending on where you bait things, although that mostly happens when someone messes up

although the turrets in p10 were cool too and also had fun memes

[daring pine]

_>

[vestal hollow]

this is why you prog early and prog fast

lol

first clear is a clear

[daring pine]

liv can recall the many crashouts i had

[vestal hollow]

i mean i saw them

[tulip wraith]

i remember reading some here as well

[worn bluff]

i don’t mind clearing slower but i do wish i had a static for guaranteed loot

[daring pine]

most of them was me losing my mind in call w her

i became the jonkler

the funniest one was when i was losing it over people not being able to do m5s reclears

m6s reclear party was the one and only time i saw the enrage

[vestal hollow]

@daring pine rate my new vanilla tank glam

[daring pine]

delicious

[kind elm]

i can indeed

[daring pine]

do you remember

the week before 7.4

smile

[kind elm]

[worn bluff]

i’m kind of scared for how long m11 will take in PF

i hear is a wall

[kind elm]

i havnet looked at m11 at all

im still focusing on cleaning up my m10

[tulip wraith]

[worn bluff]

apparently the first few mins are zzzz

[daring pine]

smile

[worn bluff]

someone was saying the fight should start at the 1HP cast

cut out everything before

[brisk scarab]

Is that chest piece clouddark?

[vestal hollow]

yes, clouddark striking

might adjust the dye though

idk

[clear plume]

Start of 11s is fine

The weapon dodges are neat

[undone tide]

ITS FUCKING LOOPER

ITS LOOPER

[brisk scarab]

M10 is pretty chill so far

[undone tide]

AHHHHHHHHHH

[zealous meteor]

we do program loop > we do program loop > we do program loop > we do program loop > we do

[brisk scarab]

The far/close cleaves when the arena is halfed isnt terrible either

Ill either get to enrage or clear tonight or tommorow

I have no idea whats in store on m11

[fierce matrix]

its looper without shitty tethers

[undone tide]

i never had a problem with the tethers personally

i actually have problems with the fucking meteorrain tethers more

that mechanic is lowkey hard on tank

[fierce matrix]

w h a t

how

[undone tide]

if your cotank doesn’t have a functioning set of eyes you’re fucked

[fierce matrix]

just stand on the meteor

[undone tide]

lowkey

i just been vibing it

[rain geode]

The far close cleaves in m10 only seem bad for 2 players lol not that I would know

[undone tide]

[brisk scarab]

Has there ever been a tier where the final boss isnt the hardest

[undone tide]

the entire time

[brisk scarab]

[undone tide]

and its only caused a wipe once!

[vestal hollow]

mr happy in my oc instance flexing the m12s mount

fucker

[undone tide]

mr happy unironically a good xiv content creator i dont know why people hate on him

[brisk scarab]

Whats he doing in OC?

Grinding accessories or doing the content

[daring pine]

occulting

[brisk scarab]

I see

[vestal hollow]

im not hating on him im just being petty

[undone tide]

this was a general statement

[clear plume]

I cleared and afked in sol 9 with weapon on my back accidentally all night

[brisk scarab]

I want the FT title so bad

But I aint clearing it 100 times LOL

[undone tide]

gonna be super happy with week 2 this tier

[jolly flume]

im getting too good at this doorboss

[undone tide]

this is a fairly difficult tier

so

i’ll take week 2

[brisk scarab]

Ill get the first 2 tiers completed on week1

So Im quite happy

I definitely want a static for next expansion though

[rain geode]

Nice I'm planning on chuck another 12 hours of pfing tommorow but I don't think it'll be enough to get m10 done

[undone tide]

12 hours isn’t enough to get m10 done?

concern

[rain geode]

I mean tbh 12 hours of pf is like 7-8 hours of actual prog

Also tbf I'm pretty doomer on m10s rn

[tulip wraith]

i think ive made good progress so far

[rain geode]

I'm like 5 hours of proper prog time and have made basically 0 prog on the fight

[tulip wraith]

start fight
flawless
get to snaking
die
repeat

[clear plume]

My static healers had rank 1 combined healer damage in during our p2 prog

One of these things r not like the other

[sleek moon]

out of curiosity what are people dying to

[rain geode]

Pretty much everything in that mech equally in my experience

[tulip wraith]

yeah

water does proteans bad, people forget to go to boss that matches debuff, fire places puddles wrong, fire doesnt move properly so hot red jumps on the same player twice

[rain geode]

Although I tend to notice fire people dying more

People just forget to bait puddles

[kind elm]

hot aerial is the killer in my experience

but thats in static

oh also bad cutback bait

[boreal pumice]

thoughts on the "brain ded" for m11?

[valid solar]

#hectornation

[rain geode]

Wish it had some sort of indicator so people knew to move

[valid solar]

yeah its called cactbot /s

[worn bluff]

as long as party has one pixel to stand on you’re good

[boreal pumice]

bungo stop tempting ppl to the dark side

[robust shoal]

I got a raw 6 on doorboss from not critting

[kind elm]

💔

[clear plume]

We love week 1

[valid solar]

parsing is for real a scam

[worn bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

water tank when fire team messes up the cone

[clear plume]

I had a 12-2 enrage with a single death at .7% when we had a 5 death healer lb right before 2m be 0.02%

That was a I love ffxiv moment

I had 20% crit on my shit

As a DANCER

[kind elm]

gwuh

my devilment broken brah 💔

[clear plume]

We r dnc drg sch

Unironically

[mossy eagle]

Why do people do no buddies kindred over buddies kindred?

[kind elm]

i think cats is drg sch too

💔

from this sample size of 2 i can confirm they broke critrate

pls fix squenisx

[rain geode]

I'm probably also gonna try to do like 4-5 hours tonight tbh

[sleek moon]

and looks like your group has drg and sch

literal skill issue

crit more

[robust shoal]

yeah

[tulip wraith]

m10 miles more fun to prog than m9 just from song alone though

[worn bluff]

how does it credit the sch and drg in those cases? does it give them a fixed amount of crit credit even if you had 0%?

[tulip wraith]

so im not against how long its taking

[clear plume]

No, they get zero credit for crits that didn’t happen

There is a doc with the math I can grab for you

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1pWVsDaroDHpvh1IuB42bWLBE2TMru2CrWnjTDjeAvJY/

[kind elm]

wow this will be interesting- what the fuck

is there a tldr for stupid people

[clear plume]

“No, they get zero credit for crits that didn’t happen”

[kind elm]

no i mean for the general how rdps is spread to litany/chain/devilment and such

[jolly flume]

it takes a chunk out of the damage of critted skills

and assigns it to the crit buffs

[clear plume]

The easiest tldr is it estimates crit chance based on the total logs full crit chance (also used for dot math) and if it estimates you’re at 38% and under these hits you have 20% of external buffs to equate 58%, it splits the 38 base and 20 extra and gives you 65% of the credit and the 20% buff 35%

[alpine plover]

ok m10s cleared

[kind elm]

inch resting

[kind elm]

[alpine plover]

[clear plume]

Asterisk, I think if you’re the log uploader fflogs just uses your crit chance instead of estimating it and that’s why the same log sometimes has different numbers slightly if different people upload

[kind elm]

ooooh

that checks out

[clear plume]

The uploaders crit chance is known everybody else’s has to be estimated but yeah, the basic is it looks at whatever fflogs assumes your crit chance is

[alpine plover]

ok chat

what's the wall in m11s

[clear plume]

And splits between it and any buffs you have

[alpine plover]

or walls

[clear plume]

Meteors and it’s dps checks last I checked on tomestone

[alpine plover]

[kind elm]

[clear plume]

Chat can we get Cooly opinion on this

[kind elm]

my m10s prog line is p funny hang on

[alpine plover]

(none of us logged the first few pulls but it's about 8 -9 more)

[alpine plover]

this one is my m10s

[kind elm]

straight fuckin line LMAO

i missed day1 of m10 with my static and i made it to their prog point first pull

then we griefed a lil

[alpine plover]

[kind elm]

i keep forgetting to fucking

arms length the buster

[alpine plover]

im griefing my melee with this scythe

[kind elm]

so i eat shit

[alpine plover]

phase

ngl

[kind elm]

💔

[alpine plover]

💔

[kind elm]

our snaking is p consistent now tho

should be able to clear early next week

[worn bluff]

simply make everyone else eat shit

[kind elm]

TRUEE

[clear plume]

where are the EELS

[jolly flume]

looks abt right

deep aerial impossible content tbh

[kind elm]

no fr

deep aerial is so simple

but i think im too stupid

its literally just a line aoe

and yet i forget where to go

guys i think im washed

[clear plume]

Which is deep aerial

[kind elm]

bubbol

healer jail

or tank jail

depending on how u do it

[worn bluff]

they will always start either NW+NE or SW+SE so i go opposite once they go there

[kind elm]

no when they start is fine

its the hits after i lose them

but ive alos only seen it like 4 times so

[worn bluff]

oh ye it’s always just N to S and then back

forward and back and forward and back

[tulip wraith]

my static put me and our picto in bubble jail

i like not having to think

[undone tide]

so

🙂

[worn bluff]

if they go S i start moving N and then if no tether go back to E safe spot

[tulip wraith]

oh !

[clear plume]

Best mech in the game hands down

I like it more than top

[undone tide]

I’m kinda excited

to see it

i want to learn it

not the strat

because this genuinely seems insane to unpack

this is why this fight was a doorboss

[wicked delta]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-arbuckle-nermal-trash-can-the-garfield-show-gif-9365086984229579073

[kind elm]

i wonder what jesse from nest will think

[tulip wraith]

[boreal pumice]

everything burns

[undone tide]

can you go away

[wicked delta]

make me

[boreal pumice]

there is a plugin for that already

[undone tide]

die

[wicked delta]

you first grandpa

[jolly flume]

made it to the ion cannon bit of idyllic

we're so closeeeee

[valid solar]

yet another arena split party that couldnt get past the abominable orb

I think I just start prog lying

[kind elm]

just say ur on m11

[valid solar]

real

give up loot and join an m11 fresh party so my tomestone displays as me being on m11

A tier prog lying strat

[kind elm]

yeah fr

give up 1 week of raid loot for 50 weeks of prog lying

[wheat marsh]

so, is there any real/decent reason they remove your drops if you wanted to do M11/M12 before M10? I don't see why you'd have to forfeit the others if for some reason your group struggled with the 2nd floor but can handle floor 3 and floor 4 for some reason, can't get the clears you know you can get and come back with rewards

[valid solar]

[kind elm]

[valid solar]

Im pretty sure rdm is supposed to do more than that

[wheat marsh]

isnt sam supposed to do more too? XD

[valid solar]

unsure about sam or viper but 34k on mch is pretty average but I think I had good crit luck this run

because usually im only doing 32k

[worn bluff]

idk the history behind it but maybe they want it to feel like a gauntlet you run every week

[wheat marsh]

then again i guess your only buffer is RDM in terms of DPS

[valid solar]

we had an ast too

the ast was doing 13k vs the sges 18k but id have to check log to see if sge was chadding the ast out

because we did have deaths to damage during the double alley oop segment

[wheat marsh]

well its not like you had a bard or dancer for the ranged to benefit the sam

[valid solar]

fuck the party I wanna play mch

[worn bluff]

what the vpr doin

[wheat marsh]

no, i'm just saying i dont know what a minimal DPS buff sam is supposed to do in terms of numbers

but i would think it should have a little higher buffer away from mch than that

but i dont really do high end content any more so i havent kept up on expected numbers

[clear plume]

I’ve switched to the rdps overlay forever ago now

[valid solar]

ok no nvm sge was not chadding the ast, they both healed more and did 5k more dps

[clear plume]

But samurai being above mch is fine, it’s not like, great, but it’s fine

[stray forge]

I am the worst reaper NA

[wheat marsh]

very few in NA can claim to be the worst when I exist

[undone tide]

@clear plume

this is insane

and i’m so here for it

this is easily going to end up in top 5 mechanics oat

[clear plume]

my prog chart

is criminal

actually 9 pulls to see 1% enrage and 229 to clear from there

actually i think the tomestone graph is broken

it has p12-1 pulls in here

[mossy eagle]

How do we access those again?

I can never fucking find them on tomestone

[clear plume]

look up your char, click the progressing button that shows percent or whatnot

[mossy eagle]

oh nice only 58 pulls for M10S

[clear plume]

or activity page lets you see them when you filter it to a single fight

[echo ibex]

https://streamable.com/487514

this sucks

[wheat marsh]

what is that, 15 times to 1% or less?

[rain geode]

My graph is... something

It's hard to even get groups to double alley oop

[wheat marsh]

oh if thats PF, then understandable XD

[rain geode]

Everytime we wipe to flame floater I feel my soul die a little

[jolly flume]

so close

[boreal pumice]

spooky

[wheat marsh]

do they have those graphs on older content? i wouldn't have much aside from some 80-90 savage/extreme, but since its all PF for me, i'd like to see the yo-yoing

[mossy eagle]

I don't see a way to generate it

well anabaseios shows something but it's pretty mangled

[mossy eagle]

Have you tried being better at the game?

[jolly flume]

game's too hard

[mossy eagle]

skill issue sweaty

[echo ibex]

What's the point of position based markers if then you're just gonna put them whatever then

"Go to corner" BROTHER THAT'S NOT IT THEN

[sleek moon]

for m10s, i dont think the boss have the same size hitbox

RDM contre sixte (6y radius) on blue wont hit red

but on red will hit blue

when they reset middle

[rain geode]

True

[limpid edge]

Why can't games just be easy and let me clear with no effort!?

[boreal pumice]

still standing?

[limpid edge]

I'm standing

[midnight furnace]

Man pf sucks

Trying to get some prog on M9S but either melee dies to Vamp Stomp or people cant do Adds 2 well

[trim frost]

wait

rinon split might be goated?

[rain geode]

Waiting

[stray forge]

mfw i was about to hit up pf to try to get a clear before reset

how tf are people dying to vamp stomp

[rain geode]

Dude I've had arena split prog parties dying to flame floater

[stray forge]

idek what this means

[trim frost]

https://youtu.be/EVMJHlm30l8?si=lEZlpwCvAVYBlWLL

[stray forge]

I haven't been able to touch m10s if thats what youre talking about

[boreal pumice]

ppl been calling the brain ded strat

[worn bluff]

flame floater is the very first mechanic

[rain geode]

Flame floater is the first mechanic in M10S

[worn bluff]

arena split is kind of like the last real mechanic

[stray forge]

but I can't imagine dying to any m9s mechanic besides moving bats

[mossy eagle]

this will probably get patched I'm a bit wary to use it

[rain geode]

Arena split is like 75% of the way through the fight I think?

[trim frost]

true

[boreal pumice]

what was that odd jank with black cat where the floor doesnt crack or something

[worn bluff]

yeah the rest of the fight is kind of like repeat mechanics with slight variations though

[devout wraith]

Is rinon split the cheese strat?

[rain geode]

Even tho I'm unlikely to see them I made sure to look up the rest of the fight

[mossy eagle]

yes

[clear plume]

would be the second time theyve ever patched a fight to ruin a strat tbqh. would not bet on it.

[finite plank]

the only reason i lost uptime would be the fuckass rollback system ff14 has, it is even worse when it decides to rollback ta which makes a massive drift

and maybe a lil bit of arena split

other than that, in almost 20 pulls, i did not fuck up any majour mechanics all the way to enrage

[dull drum]

they dont yeah

its a slight dif but it fucks up rdms

lol

[finite plank]

same issue with nin as well

[trim frost]

it’s so you can identify who’s the top and who’s the bottom

[pine holly]

The one thing I don't like about M10 was how the bosses would just inexplicably be unable to be hit for like, 0.3 seconds during insane air

[finite plank]

hellfrog can hit blue if targetting red, but not the other way around as it is 6 yalms

phantam kama's 5 yalms however

[finite plank]

cope, bigger boss hitbox would've fixed this issue

[pine holly]

Even if I followed them during the movement it would still do it, it was weird, even our range had stuff clip

[finite plank]

this tier has so many rollbacked gcds

still, i am absolutely confident in all of m11s mechs now

...even if it didn't clear

[boreal pumice]

huh

[quick verge]

oomf truke

[vestal hollow]

no fucking way its oomf

[remote gate]

for m9s do we wanna use second pot during SS2 or after SS2 at the next 2m window?

[vestal hollow]

@noble whale get out of my head

[remote gate]

this is painful to read

[trim frost]

good

[trim frost]

i just potted after

there’s really no reason you should be dying to adds check in ss2 unless ur melees are too boss pilled

[vestal hollow]

pot is a waste on ss2 tbh

[vestal hollow]

smile

[trim frost]

smile…

[remote gate]

tyvm elounge we clear tonight trust

[vestal hollow]

never say elounge again

[zealous meteor]

estrogen lounge

yes yes

[trim frost]

estrogen lounge is why i got forcefemmed by crafted gear this tier

[shy obsidian]

BL lounge and estrogen lounge

truly the duality of this server

[noble whale]

https://media.tenor.com/mM92BMN0D1kAAAAM/揉捏-揉.gif

[rain geode]

What have a stumbled into

[clear plume]

elounge

[dapper zealot]

wassup eloungers

[kind elm]

i love estrogen

[dapper zealot]

I would just leave if that happened

[worn bluff]

if you hit enrage isn’t m9 a 3 pot fight?

idr the timeline or when you would lose a use but i feel like it was longer for a first floor

[dull drum]

yes its 3 pot

youd have to pot on cd though for second pot

[kind elm]

yeah my group 3 potted

[remote gate]

could use a prange if anyone here is available

[golden jewel]

also trying to get a fill lol

[echo ibex]

So Rinon strat for m11 ye or nay

[jolly flume]

enrage

good god

[tulip wraith]

i still havent really looked at m12p2

what the fuck is happening

[timber stratus]

im not even halfway into 11 yet

[jolly flume]

this fucking mechanic is so stupid

[tulip wraith]

is the yellow like a notes plugin?

that auto pastes into chat when you get to certain mechanics

[jolly flume]

no it's /echo macros

I have them bright yellow because I use them for mechanics on occasion

like right now

this shit is all for one mechanic

[tulip wraith]

ooooh

[kind elm]

is the brb bio part of the mechanic

[jolly flume]

yeah

you go and take a piss while waiting for the raidwide to go off

[kind elm]

woah

thats so cool..

[jolly flume]

dude this fight is so fucking cool though

the second mechanic is almost up there with dive from grace fo rme

feels so good to do

[kind elm]

whats dive from grace again

oh is that dsr p3

[clear plume]

Damn what useful and creative macros

Whoever thought of those is a goat

[jolly flume]

[clear plume]

Also who spent intercardinal wrong

[jolly flume]

I told her and she

[clear plume]

No but the mechanic is actually so fucking good

[robust shoal]

[finite plank]

is killing yourself a method of solving a mechanic

grats on the clear cats

[robust shoal]

I rolled 40 on everything

[clear plume]

Gz gamer

[robust shoal]

that was a trip to do full blind

[clear plume]

Idyllic is so fucking cool

[robust shoal]

yeah

[finite plank]

can't wait to see a clone of myself

[robust shoal]

I'm kinda not sold on it being a just write stuff down mech though

[finite plank]

again

[robust shoal]

really great presentation at least

[thin fox]

I make a decentish paint diagram

[echo ibex]

Oh fuck no don't even wait

As soon as you see those go out where you were go back in

Snapshot is almost insta

[thin fox]

idk you get the idea

[terse zodiac]

If that dodge is gonna be the norm pointing the boss away from the 2nd hit is surely the better move than north

[thin fox]

historically for pf minimising the variation is optimal

if you ask someone to point somewhere other than directly north you open the possibility that they just fuck it up

[terse zodiac]

Not wrong lol

Pf is the best

[jolly flume]

there's a thing a few people started doing where you just drag the boss all the way to a corner and point the cleave diagonally so the entire arena is safe from him

it's stupid obv but lol if that's what it takes to get people to dodge yknow

[boreal pumice]

is this the new brain ded?

[clear plume]

My group the tank just turned the boss between meteors showing up and him locking in place

So if it’s a North edge 3rd square pattern they spin so N is safe, party moves N, moves into safe spot when needed

[jolly flume]

yeah I don't think it's the greatest mech ever design wise

I actually really like the first mech with the clone rewinds

super fun to do

doesn't take 18 chat macros

[visual geyser]

How is phase 1

[jolly flume]

pretty shit ngl

[visual geyser]

Figured

[robust shoal]

I think it's fun

[jolly flume]

I like looper but the rest sucks

[boreal pumice]

what do the balls mean grene an purple

[robust shoal]

green is non tank, purple is tank

[jolly flume]

they're just baited spreads

purple is buster

[robust shoal]

purple balls hit surprisingly hard

[kind elm]

thats the one mech i was able to figure out just from watching cats stream

was the balls

[clear plume]

Why is the pf pastebin wrong about how orbs are baited tho

[jolly flume]

like is it not kind of insane that mortal slayer happens twice

[kind elm]

everything else looks monka

[robust shoal]

p2 is pretty inscrutable lol

[hot rose]

You ever in a static and everyone is always so angry and you just minding your business and being gay

[robust shoal]

first mech of p2 is just giga wtf

[hot rose]

We made good prog and everyone still yelling at each other

😭😭

[robust shoal]

and ig all the other mechs lol

[clear plume]

They say you stand closest to the orb you want to bait, but it’s the highest orb goes to closest to boss hitbox on its side

(Relevant bc left side can get purple green doubles)

[robust shoal]

it took a good number of pulls to be able to read the first mech

[jolly flume]

yeah the clones are just so much of a clusterfuck

until you get used to reading them

they dash so fast too

[clear plume]

Thank fuck they give u a partner for that mech bc sometimes I miss that shit and trust my healer

[jolly flume]

what ended up working for me was just standing directly behind the clone I want to bait as it dashes and it's easier to keep track of

[clear plume]

Astrologian take the wheel ass mech

It was really funny cats bc u missed somebody asking since when has drk been good bc world prog teams were all using it

[robust shoal]

[kind elm]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-played-these-games-before-seong-gi-hun-squid-game-i've-played-these-games-already-netflix-gif-16480153790313233198

[clear plume]

I think it could use a regen being added to dark mind, thoughts?

[jolly flume]

needs excog on tbn

[clear plume]

That does nothing bc drks don’t drop low ever

[jolly flume]

you're playing with drks that press mit buttons

the ones that complain don't know how to

[terse zodiac]

tbn should give extra mit : )

[jolly flume]

speaking of tank damage

the autos in p2

[robust shoal]

116 autos

[clear plume]

The tower mech autos

Are fun

[jolly flume]

you just get your asshole torn apart nonstop

[clear plume]

[robust shoal]

I definitely could have done better on the tbns

[kind elm]

my bad