endgame-lounge

[clear plume]

I have 12 macros for the phase

[thin fox]

isnt enrage like 8:10 smth

[clear plume]

To press to tell me what I got

9:19

[rapid whale]

Is it macro friendly or too many permutations

[remote gate]

is m12sp2 a check point boss

[thin fox]

yes

[rapid whale]

12

Holy fuck

[thin fox]

p1 is pretty free tho

from what i hear

[rapid whale]

Sounds like it'll be on me to type during motifs

[clear plume]

Portal sides I just remembered, but where I was on the clone order and which tower I was under are the macros I used

Plus I guess another one for stacks or defa first

[thin fox]

i've heard its the easiest door boss we've had in years

[jolly flume]

p1 took us 30% less pulls than 11

granted we got griefed on 11 by a bad set of markers for a full day but yeah it's really quite easy

there's 1 actual mechanic

[clear plume]

Well it’s the only door boss weve had in years

[thin fox]

well i mean like

def easier than pandaemonium

outside of maybe p4s

[clear plume]

Idk I spent more pulls on it than athena door

[jolly flume]

they made p1 easy bc ain't nobody sitting through a hard p1 to prog whatever the fuck p2 is

[rain geode]

This mechanic is a litte confusing but I really dont think it should be like this hard to get through?

[rapid whale]

Did I tell you about the time I joined a pf and they had custom markers and didn't tell me then slammed me for it

[rapid whale]

Which

[jolly flume]

should've just known

[rain geode]

Double allay-oop

[remote gate]

did p8sp1 count as a hard p1 to prog thru

[rapid whale]

I think so

[clear plume]

Very

[rapid whale]

Snake memes

[thin fox]

p8s phase 1 is just a hard phase even if you ignore the famously tight dps check w1

[clear plume]

Snakes 2 week 1 was

Hell

Actually yoloing the positions

Bc static snakes wasn’t a thing

[thin fox]

fight that does a lot of dmg, very quick

no room for error really

[remote gate]

making it thru p8sp1 only for p2 to body you at NA1 or HC must've been literal hell

[clear plume]

HC wasn’t really a problem outside of world prog

Like it’s the most raidplan ass mechanic ever

[thin fox]

buddy did you pf it

[clear plume]

Yes

[thin fox]

WHERE ARE THE EELS

HC2

WHERE ARE THE EELS

[clear plume]

I did cf1s for 30 days straight on mch to make a point

Every day

[rain geode]

I hate doing it but I think I need to prog lie to get through this

[boreal pumice]

[rain geode]

I guess is it actually prog lying if you know how to do the mechanic?

[rapid whale]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-12686883553708718330

[rapid whale]

I mean yes lol

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-simpsons-gif-11978427

[rapid whale]

But fuck it you're a healer

You get the privilege of every party needing barrier

[thin fox]

isnt double alley oop the final mech

buddy theres no lying

youre just at the end of the fight

[rapid whale]

Isn't there two

[stray forge]

Prog lying to prog liars and then when the mechanic happens no one knows who fucked up

[rain geode]

Its like the first mechanic

double alley oop TWO is the last mechanic

[thin fox]

oh you mean that

[clear plume]

p12-2 macros

[rain geode]

imporantly I can do Double alley oop 1 I just have yet to find a party that can

[clear plume]

[rapid whale]

Wonderbread is basically a human cactbot ic

[stray forge]

Does everyone secretly use cactbot

[clear plume]

just a bunch of those to click

[stray forge]

Should I just cave and use it

[boreal pumice]

thats up to you

[clear plume]

cactbot isnt out right now and people are clearing fine so

thats a sign to if everybody is using it

[jolly flume]

no lol

[stray forge]

I c

[vestal hollow]

why would you ever use cactbot

you dont need to use it

it is not mandatory for savage by any means

[clear plume]

my team didnt even want me to manually mark for idyllic bc they thought it would be unfair lmao

[stray forge]

Idk I was worried it was one of those things where everyone uses it in savage and that I’m trolling if I don’t

[trim frost]

am i crazy

how r u lv 8 whm

[stray forge]

You’re crazy

[clear plume]

in a fate probably

[stray forge]

Fate?

[trim frost]

oh

[jolly flume]

do you just have one for every permutation of the mechanic

[boreal pumice]

yh likely fate

[clear plume]

yes

[jolly flume]

like the second mechanic every possible clockspot

that makes sense actually I should do that

[boreal pumice]

i show up as 20 but i got the oc icon

[trim frost]

ok i've never seen anyone get synced that low in a crossworld but that makes sense

[clear plume]

do you want mine? its based on a raidplan i can grab

[jolly flume]

yea

[boreal pumice]

howd whm work out chiyo

[jolly flume]

well

lol

[clear plume]

https://raidplan.io/plan/9zpa6vu5kxgtuwqc

[boreal pumice]

what was your ast problem?

[clear plume]

and let me dm you the uh

[jolly flume]

oh it's the caro raidplan

[clear plume]

macros so its less spammy

[jolly flume]

I didn't look at it too hard but that's what we were planning to use

[remote gate]

what the FUCK

[dapper zealot]

AU where their father kneecaps Kan E Sena instead

[jolly flume]

sucks at short intermittent movements, lightspeed is suited for long movement segments

which is not good for 11

also bell is lowkey goated in there

[remote gate]

chiyo wh* arc

[dull drum]

*** arc

a necesssary evil

[jolly flume]

problem was always the players more than the job

although the job sucked

now the job sucks less and I have fingers and a brain

[boreal pumice]

cure 1 carols

[remote gate]

casts cure 1 in savage

[boreal pumice]

shiggy you did see the post about a guy going into m9s with like 745 gear right

[remote gate]

yes

insane because even with 772 ilvl im juggling mits

also how tf did you guys manage to keep your healers alive from the nasty raid wides when vamp has five or more stacks? i have to throw oblations on them so they dont dip too low

[jolly flume]

just tell the healers to mit? lol

[vestal hollow]

you press reprise

people dont die

[remote gate]

like this fight makes me wonder how tf warrior players dont want to kill themselves from the glass jaw mit

[boreal pumice]

vit pots yep

[jolly flume]

none of that stuff should hurt that much, it's normal for people to drop sub 50k but lower than that is sus

[stray forge]

Mit rotation go

[zealous meteor]

maybe i'm just ass

[random needle]

You're learnding

[boreal pumice]

can always have the mch if you got use the wrench

[vestal hollow]

whats wrong

[random needle]

(that said you can always check xivanalysis to see where you can use more buttons)

[zealous meteor]

(i'm joking)

[stray forge]

Do people actually take mch into raids

[remote gate]

im not complaining at all about throwing an oblation your way for it but the raid wides do hurt

[jolly flume]

uh yeah

[random needle]

m12s has more MCH clears than SMN clears

[jolly flume]

mch week 1 isn't really the play but

it's like

[jolly flume]

not impossible

[stray forge]

That’s crazy

[wicked delta]

ITS TYRANNY TIME FOLKS

[stray forge]

ONE SUMMONER

[jolly flume]

none of the checks are really that difficult on a clean pull

[wicked delta]

and then he tyranny'd all over the place

[stray forge]

ONLY 8 REAPERS

[jolly flume]

there is a very clear meta week 1

always has been

[random needle]

Yeah, we just need to keep it clean, instead of the melees and tanks killing each other on stomp 1

[jolly flume]

and there's really no reason to not adhere to it

you take every bit you can get

[dull drum]

[boreal pumice]

we meme on mch like we whm/war but they aint bad we just like to meme

[jolly flume]

I mean it is bad

lol

[dull drum]

its bad

[jolly flume]

just not bad enough that it's impossible to clear a fight

[dull drum]

like why would you just not play dancer DPing the gearfed melee

or bard

[stray forge]

Because my bard is level 1

[boreal pumice]

trying not to go full doomer

[remote gate]

i watched the clip on the run prior to us locking in and getting to hell in a cell. melee got clipped by a second bat aoe

[sleek moon]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-fun-fun-fun-kazoo-kid-gif-16972938

[stray forge]

Maybe I should just switch to a class where I don’t need to deaths design every 30 seconds

[random needle]

I'd help if I could, but all I can really do is watch and prey I don't witness murder

[stray forge]

🙂

[vestal hollow]

you shjould perhaps

play the game

because meta doesnt matter unless youre clearing m12s w1

[sinful brook]

but what if you

deaths design 2 times at once

[stray forge]

It doesn’t but it still feels bad to deaths design every 30 seconds because of its higher recast time compared to everything else

[sinful brook]

then its only refresh once a minute

:^)))

[scarlet lintel]

Does meta matter if I’m stuck on m12s p1 enrage

[stray forge]

But then you lose more deaths design in downtime leading to more overall deaths design

[remote gate]

idk if this makes any difference but for tanks we have a safety strat where we can use invul to survive the bat blasts incase shit goes wrong fast

[stray forge]

[sinful brook]

it also doesn't have a higher recast though its a 2.5s gcd either way no?

[vestal hollow]

what downtime

[boreal pumice]

i bet deaths design will become the old vpr gash that it just happens after a combo

[remote gate]

we get a damage down for it though but the dd is gone by the time coffinmaker shows up

[sinful brook]

like idk that'd be like saying when they got rid of twin snakes and demolish on monk lol

[sleek moon]

Are you hitting enrage with no deaths

[sinful brook]

"its hard to refresh it 3 times a minute"

[stray forge]

Downtime might not be the right word

[wicked delta]

not allowed to dance partner ugly people so i play mch instead

[sinful brook]

like i get the sentiment

[scarlet lintel]

My pf just hit 1% enrage with 1 scholar death

[sinful brook]

but other jobs literally play similarly

[stray forge]

But on a fight with adds phase using two DD might be detrimental

Is all I’m saying

[sleek moon]

I think that party has some serious issues then

[stray forge]

It’s easy to plan out either way

[sinful brook]

how so the boss is targetable during it and you plan around it

[vestal hollow]

?

[sinful brook]

obviously if you know the boss is going away

[scarlet lintel]

Idk maybe

[sinful brook]

don't do it twice lol

[scarlet lintel]

In m11s we had a summoner and the dps check was impossible but then my next party had a black mage and we cleared with 1 dps death

[stray forge]

Guys I was just meming idk how this became a serious conversation

[scarlet lintel]

I haven’t started locking jobs out of my PFs cause I do believe skill matters more but I don’t even know who to kick if we are literally just dying to enrage

[stray forge]

If I feel like playing another class I’d just switch to another class without announcing it in endgame lounge ☠️

[boreal pumice]

ok

[sinful brook]

its fair discussion tbh

[vestal hollow]

[sinful brook]

plenty of new players will walk in and read that and take in the wrong information

its happened before

not a sleight against you in particular

just that it occurs

[boreal pumice]

whats the worst info someones taken from here

[remote gate]

whm is a good job

[sinful brook]

p10s is the only hard fight in existence

[vestal hollow]

that theyre good at the game

oh wow p10s

[wicked delta]

but channy

bonds 3

[vestal hollow]

did you know in p10s

bonds 3

[wicked delta]

ultimate mechanic bro

[vestal hollow]

so difficult

[remote gate]

impossible content

[clear plume]

dont disrespect bonds 3 by putting it on same level as fru and uwu

[sinful brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1330642690236223590.webp?size=48&name=ICANT

[thin fox]

@dull drum look at ts https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx3EsYIqtsuhl63V0iLgb4EMgujK71I0yV?si=tWzlJZSPxsnAVU8r

[wicked delta]

[clear plume]

shit did NOT get better in parse parties in pf either

[remote gate]

even with 660 gear p10s held its ground?

[loud nymph]

Yes, because you didn't skip anything hard

[clear plume]

The fight died like in the 2m after HH so you still did all it’s actual mechanics and it’s actual mechanics were 10m damage/dooms

[loud nymph]

p10s you had HH at like 25-30ish iirc?

and everything after HH was a joke

[remote gate]

jesus

[loud nymph]

Literally normal mode mechanics

[remote gate]

maybe p11s being a chill fight was for the best

[clear plume]

Well 25% would be very high

It’s 7 minutes into a fight that normal kt was 8-9m depending on party

[loud nymph]

the big pf walls for p10s was turrets, bonds 3, and HH

[remote gate]

how did turrets work was it like a baited line aoe you had to make sure wasnt pointed at more than 1 person

[clear plume]

Are you asking how they work or how are they intended to work

[remote gate]

yes

[clear plume]

They split the damage between people between them and give a short vuln, so the probably intentional solve was to 1/3 and 2/4 pairs and each set takes 2 sets of lasers alternating

The how they worked is the vuln only like tripled the damage so tanks could pop mit and be in all the stacks

So they took first alone then got pinballed around the map

[remote gate]

this sounds like an experience

[clear plume]

It wasn’t bad

[loud nymph]

There were also different patterns, so depending on where the number towers were, you might have to knock back at an angle instead of straight back

Once you got it down, it was fairly straightforward

But because of where it was positioned in the fight timeline, you had a high chance of memeing on it In basically every PF

[random needle]

It sounds like the tanks get punched around a lot in p10s

[jolly flume]

nice

came back from break, 2 pulls into p2

[random needle]

Between turrets and the knockback busters

[loud nymph]

Between turrets and the towers, yeah

[jolly flume]

we're locked in prayge

[loud nymph]

They either got knocked back or stepped on quite a bit

[random needle]

Maybe I should see if my old content static will let me try tanking at some point

[clear plume]

I bought myself celebration cards for finishing the tier though :3

[remote gate]

if i learn caster you can become a tank

just dont play warrior you'll wish you were playing something else

[clear plume]

Yeah that’s the general experience playing warrior

Just play pld or drk they’re more fun

[random needle]

If warrior is able to exploit 4m Holmgang, it sounds neat

Aside from that, it sounds like every fight is just

https://tenor.com/view/jon-arbuckle-nermal-trash-can-the-garfield-show-gif-9365086984229579073

[clear plume]

The fights that warrior is good at doing that tend to be the same fights that really punish it’s lack of regular mit tbqh

Like in top warrior gets to do that, and drk just gets to press its 1m cd on the buster and not be close to needing an invuln

Like I’m not a fan of homogenization all the time but we probably should not have the party mit tank, the tankbuster tank, and the self healing but less mitigation tank in a game you want to balance hard content around bc

The self healing will never make up for pure mitigation

[remote gate]

why cant equilibrium just be something more than a potency heal and a regen

[jolly flume]

wtf are these autos

90k a hit for 30 seconds?

holy chills

[clear plume]

they happen during mechs too

smile

our tank just popped HG during towers

[trim frost]

um

i maybe stupid

what's different about kindred no buddies compared to toxic

[low hearth]

The way marks I think

[trim frost]

hmm

[jolly flume]

yeah we just found out

when I looked at the party list during the clone mech

and saw my tank get kicked to death

[limpid edge]

im standing?

[hot rose]

In snaking. Can the water ppl accidentally bait the fire puddle jumps?

[worn bluff]

not if everyone is alive

it targets the furthest fire player

[clear plume]

no, even with one person dead they just target another fire

[worn bluff]

i guess all fires would have to be dead for a water to bait

[clear plume]

accidentally means i assume theyre worried about doing it with fires alive so

[worn bluff]

yeah you would only die in a normal pull if you were next to a fire player that accidentally baited

[clear plume]

all of the fire hits only go to fire people (including his baited cleave at the end) and vice versa for water people

[rapid whale]

the funny part is it actually fucks this tier

[trim frost]

does pf invuln great wall of fire

[rapid whale]

u can only invuln 1st one with a short cd

eg pld cannot

[trim frost]

yeah that makes sense

[remote gate]

when i saw the notification for this reply i thought you were talking about warrior at first

[trim frost]

i think gnb should have it back for tower at the end tho

second tower at least

[rapid whale]

naw whm unironically great this tier

[clear plume]

it does yeah, only a pld problem

[trim frost]

i saw a clear vid where they made tanks share 3rd tower but is that really necessary lmao

[clear plume]

thats what my group did

[remote gate]

yes they are cuddling

[clear plume]

drk invuln > pld invuln > drk hops in and they both press all their mit

[trim frost]

yeah thats precisely what i saw

[clear plume]

no reason to not realistically

[trim frost]

that's fine

i was just wondering

[clear plume]

its kind of just free bc you have literally everything up on tanks and you will not have all party mit up

but its not required no

[trim frost]

true enough

i do wonder if it's convention for pf though

[jolly flume]

made it to superchain

big

[clear plume]

I sold potions from crystal I bought for 4k each for 14500 on gilg

I love raid tier drops

Literally 700 of them gone within a minute

[rapid whale]

money

[clear plume]

Moneky

[rapid whale]

i cant even blame auto correct

my hands did that on their own

[limpid edge]

wassup

[rain geode]

pain

[limpid edge]

need to start proggin m10s

but i aint got no time...!!!!!!

[tulip wraith]

felt

[limpid edge]

does hector do much differnet than TF?

[rain geode]

I have time but every pull saps my will

[tulip wraith]

i got up to deep aerial with static but now we split for the rest of the week but i really dont wanna pf that...

[tulip wraith]

like 0?

[limpid edge]

only glanced at the hector guide for m10s

[tulip wraith]

well

hector does better snaking

[limpid edge]

is that better?

[tulip wraith]

but everyone should have been doing better snaking anyways

yeah

[limpid edge]

what's nomnom snaking?

[tulip wraith]

instead of dropping fire puddles on letters, you drop them in the corners of fire side

nomnom is better snaking

[limpid edge]

so TF + nomnom/better would be equivalent to hector?

[tulip wraith]

yup

hector also uses ping pong deep aerial which is what our static and i think pf started to use

where you just go up and down with the tethers back and forth instead of trying to keep fine the right positions on the fly

[mossy eagle]

Chat what's the least ass M11S arena split raidplan

I see lots of Kindred no buddies

[tulip wraith]

so hector deviates from TF, but the same way pf did when better strats popped up

otherwise its the same

[limpid edge]

im reading TF does tank buster prio differently

that might be a problem when TF/hector gets mixed up

[tulip wraith]

in alley oop 2?

[limpid edge]

the last deep impact

hector wants MT to run out

[worn bluff]

you can just confirm when you join the party

[tulip wraith]

i think its just whoevers gonna be on deep blue after insane air 2

[worn bluff]

i think the updated TF plan just says “tank take buster”

[tulip wraith]

or whoevers been taking all the deep impacts previously

[limpid edge]

pic still has OT taking it

people dont read, they look at the pretty pictures

[worn bluff]

i would just confirm w the other tank beforehand

idc if they want to take it

[tulip wraith]

it should just be whatever tank doesnt have aggro of hot red runs out

cause theres the multi hit stack going off the same time so red tank will just be in that with the party

[worn bluff]

well someone pointed out here that it’s actually more efficient if that tank doesn’t have aggro of blue, because then it’s easier for the party to stack together close to blue

[thin fox]

m11s pf is so cooked man

no one can even reach arena split and those that do are so lost

[worn bluff]

the other tank has all their mit to spare they can take both tanks

[thin fox]

@jolly flume ty for 212 dodge btw its very consistent for me

[tulip wraith]

but blue just stands still when casting deep impact no?

so it doesnt matter

[worn bluff]

well the issue is more what blue does beforehand. if MT has blue aggro he pulls north which sometimes makes it more awkward for the party

it’s not a big deal

just tank don’t murder party ez

[tulip wraith]

true

[thin fox]

lowkey

altho i've never seen apst arena split

i think i'm clear ready

[tulip wraith]

same tbh

surely dodging proteans in arena split cant be that hard i cant first try it

[thin fox]

i mean a different arena split from you i think

[tulip wraith]

oh

erm

[thin fox]

m11 also has an arena split 3/4ths into the fight that no one in pf can do

[tulip wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[thin fox]

[tulip wraith]

riiiight

[thin fox]

i guess technically m12 also haso ne

cuz of p2 idyllic dream towers

[tulip wraith]

oops all arena splits

[jolly flume]

yw

excellent strat I love it

[thin fox]

now i just need a pf that can do the fight

[tulip wraith]

surely pf knows how to do m10s arena split prog so i can just quick clear before tuesday

[thin fox]

let me show u something

this is how long it took me to prog m10s on my main

this is how long it took me to just do a clear party on my alt

[low hearth]

[tulip wraith]

surely

for my first time ever doing savage, these are fun fights

of the two ive done

[thin fox]

this is a rly good tier imo

[limpid edge]

better than last tier?

[thin fox]

wtf are kindred's alt names man

[thin fox]

personally more fun

more stuff for tanks to do

[limpid edge]

kindwed

wtfdig got guides for m9-m11, that's neat

[thin fox]

wtfdig doesnt show cursed pattern

[stray forge]

gender dysphoria

[visual geyser]

That fuck ass emote bro

[stray forge]

My'little Pogchamp is crazy

[clear plume]

I see the ninja uses the same naming convention as my alt

Ichika mitsuba

[tulip wraith]

[vestal hollow]

i wish i had a little pogchamp

[thin fox]

deciding what my melee alt will be called

[clear plume]

Q for sastasha on dynamis you’ll find cute new players soon

[clear plume]

“Melee alt” yw

[visual geyser]

Cloud xstrifex

[jolly flume]

my other alt is named chiyo two because I lack whimsy and creativity

I guess I'hate White'mages was a pretty good one but that's a name of the past now

[stray forge]

I don’t have an alt I think you’re all crazy for playing msq twice

[jolly flume]

I wish I didn't have to but I need one for splits and helping friends so it is what it is

[tulip wraith]

once zalera opens back up ill make an alt for the love of the game

[rain geode]

oh god I thought your name was very no okay for a moment

[tulip wraith]

maybe ill use it, maybe i wont

[stray forge]

What name

[tulip wraith]

chiyos i assume

[wicked delta]

Oh my god bruh

[jolly flume]

[clear plume]

Why isn’t it at least chiyo twiomy

[jolly flume]

I'll do threeomy for the next one

[clear plume]

I have a char that’s just named “I’hate playing’bard”

It was rank 4 bard for a tier for a bit

Think I renamed it actually

[rain geode]

Ive been collecting possible alt names

tho I dont know if Im ever gonna make that alt

[clear plume]

I should show up to it next reclears bc I got week 1 bard drop

“Bard sucks” could be on the leaderboard

[dull drum]

LMAOOOOO

[rapid whale]

mine are all variations of my name

bappa twii for lala alt cuz it sounds like my name said in baby speech

bappla tres because it is the third character

[limpid edge]

facing the wall

[clear plume]

Leonardo dicaprios gfs when they hit 24:

[rapid whale]

huh

[dapper zealot]

such a cool raidwide

[rain geode]

actually lame raid wide

[dapper zealot]

oh the vid doesn't repeat

[rain geode]

Oh its a meme

[dapper zealot]

why does discord love fucking up compression

fuck it, not worth the effort

[low hearth]

Yo

[rain geode]

yo

[dapper zealot]

yo

[craggy marsh]

oh is this for this tier

[rapid whale]

if only they were here to talk about rpr

[dull drum]

wheres coolys thoughts

[rain geode]

I miss him

not actually but it was kinda nice having someone who was always wrong

I guess I could come up with some more wrong things to say

[vestal hollow]

life doesnt feel the same without a rpr main chirping

[rain geode]

maybe I should have played RPR

[dapper zealot]

go main rpr for the 7.5 ult :)

[rain geode]

Dude This tier has me wondering if Im playing until 7.5 XD

[trim frost]

POST IT NOWWW

[rain geode]

Ill probably be around in 7.5 and less annoying if I clear this fight

[stray forge]

erm

[rain geode]

Honestly tho I'll probably never seriously play RPR just because the way I have my hotbar set up is really awkward for rpr

[stiff sage]

i have a question about m10s mechanics, why does hectors vid have healers start at same debuff color but wtfdig healers at opposite?

im not against less movement but would that nuke me? im not at ia2 yet but im curious

[tulip wraith]

i believe hector is showcasing tankbusters first?

[stiff sage]

weird ok

[tulip wraith]

wait no hector has healers already swapped

[stiff sage]

then im blind asf thankslol

[tulip wraith]

H2 has fire debuff and is with deep blue yeah

[stiff sage]

OH yeah im blind asf thank god i havent passed split yet

[worn bluff]

why don't you change your hotbar then

[clear plume]

i got u, did u see that mch is actually the best prange bc its 9s is highest average

[worn bluff]

[rain geode]

Tldr I have my hotbar set up in a way we're certain types of actions are on certain jobs regardless of role so there simply isn't actually a good way to organize a reaper bar while sticking to my normal set up

For example I always have "main" gap closers on E

[worn bluff]

i tried to do that at first too but it just doesn't work on some jobs so i learned to change it where i need to

[vestal hollow]

w-what

[thin fox]

i want to join a clear party

but i don't have a passport

i can't get a passport

because no one can do split

[vestal hollow]

mb

[worn bluff]

mb

[rain geode]

Raid buff is always on T

So on and so forth

[vestal hollow]

what

why

[worn bluff]

after i fat fingered my gap closer once i changed it to something that can never be fat fingered

it's on V with nothing bound to C or B

on any job

[vestal hollow]

its psychopathic to not put a gap closer under a modifier

[sinful brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1173372147691950171.webp?size=48&name=Shruge

if it works but idk its easy to fuck up

lol

[valid solar]

I have my tank gapclosers on X

on dps it depends

[rain geode]

You put your gap closer on a modifier wtf

[daring pine]

same

[thin fox]

my gap closer is on 1 lol

[daring pine]

sometimes i put my gapcloser on a modifier

[sinful brook]

yeah my default is ctrl f

[worn bluff]

idk for me not having any buttons next to it solves the fuck up problem

[daring pine]

it depends really

it's either on x or shift + x

[rain geode]

I simply don't fuck up

[clear plume]

i just have my en evant right beside my standard step, i want it to be accessible asap

shits my z key

[quick verge]

#HECTORNATION WOULD NEVER GATEKEEP STRATS

[worn bluff]

i have my aggro stuff on modifiers. stance CTRL+Q, voke CTRL+F, shirk CTRL+V

[clear plume]

i think i saw people in a parse discord talking about it

[vestal hollow]

i struggle to believe you wouldnt fatfinger a gapcloser at least twice a pull

[clear plume]

if its the thing where the tethers have a max range before they just dont hit you anymore

[rain geode]

In 1500 hours I think I've fat finger a gap closer maybe thrice?

[clear plume]

(but is downtime to get that far)

[stray forge]

wth

[vestal hollow]

cap

[stray forge]

e is reserved for main damage abilities only

hell nah

[worn bluff]

gap closer is part of burst on PLD so i prefer to not have a modifier

[amber fable]

I keep e for tank short mits

[quick verge]

e is for strafing

[amber fable]

Like intervention or oblation

[worn bluff]

i use E for 60s oGCD like no mercy or gluttony

[stray forge]

D is for strafing

wth

[amber fable]

Y'all strafe?

[rain geode]

I think I've fat fingered the H key trying to hit G more then I've fat fingered E

[amber fable]

Right click mouse and move

[vestal hollow]

my keybinds are cursed if i dont mention that im using a keypad

[quick verge]

"right click mouse and move"

are you poor?

[amber fable]

Yes

[fierce matrix]

so

i did the math on this tiers autos

M9S: 89 at 90k
M10S: 108 at 89k (This is including both bosses)
M11S: 55 at 90k
M12S P1: 26 Autos at 100k
M12S P2: 108 Autos at 105k

@quick verge i hope you get ran over by a semi

[quick verge]

LMFAO

in game

[rain geode]

R is "almost" always my basic ranged attack when I play melee

[fierce matrix]

in minecraft

but its crazy that

[stray forge]

my basic ranged attack is F12

:^)

[rain geode]

WHY

[fierce matrix]

m12s P2 has the same amount of autos as both bosses of m10s

and its 16k more damage per auto

[stray forge]

it is bound to my mouse button. I use a keyboard button because some games dont register certain mouse buttons

[thin fox]

join split arena cleanup party
join to someone asking in chat about the strat

how about i fucking shoot myself in the head

[quick verge]

in pvp

[daring pine]

i'll do it for u

ingame

[fierce matrix]

okay tbf i was on my alt helping friends

and i went into pf

and had NO idea what any of their strats are

[rain geode]

I have yet to get a part past double alleyopp

[fierce matrix]

but i just kinda yolo'd it and got it down

[quick verge]

ok how are you pressing f12

[thin fox]

saladfinger hands

[stray forge]

bound to mouse button

[quick verge]

reported

[stray forge]

idk what saladfinger hands means but now i want some salad

[stray forge]

:(

[amber fable]

Ehler danlos hand

[thin fox]

https://tenor.com/view/salad-fingers-gif-2907626558208821556

oldhead thing

dw about it

[rain geode]

Your not missing anything worthwhile

[thin fox]

getting the north tether as tank is so fucking awful

[mossy eagle]

did you win yet?

[dapper zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-winning-son-meme-son-gif-1432509823038791530

[lavish mortar]

guysssss

im gonna fucking lose it

why is arena split so bad in m11

why am i so bad

why do i do this to myself

😭

[stiff sage]

all m10s prog is snake prog, im so tired because despite the fact i understand the mechanic to a t pf does not

[tulip wraith]

placing fire puddles and stacking or spreading for water is really hard you don't understand

[stiff sage]

APPARENTLY

[trim frost]

i am so excited to see arena split

[lavish mortar]

all m11s prog is arena split prog, im so tired because despite the fact I understand the mechanic, PF does not

arena is like a sunrise sabbath level mechanic

and its just there in the middle

ecliptic is like normal mode

like if they gave an extra second for ppl to position after baits it would be infinitely better

like i dont even understand how youre supposed to keep your rotation going and precisely move that fast unless your rotation kinda braindead

[sick reef]

fuck the train

[thin fox]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I HATE THIS FIGHT

I HATE THIS FIGHT

I HATE THIS FIGHT

LET ME OUT

[sick reef]

which one xd

[thin fox]

11

[sick reef]

😭

i havent even started savage yet gg

[tulip wraith]

i've been on 10 longer but i feel like it's easier than 9

[stiff sage]

10 is 100 times easier than 9

but maybe because im a healer

9 was heal heavy and 10 im not sweating making sure people are healed

[tulip wraith]

same

only heal spot im scared of is the divers down right before snaking

[daring pine]

clear tonight trust

[tulip wraith]

[daring pine]

just need to clean up hell in a cell

and then the rest of the fight

so like one more mech after that really

[tulip wraith]

the chained bat is my worst spot in m9s

also ss2

[daring pine]

it is?

[tulip wraith]

bat moves too fast it scares me

[daring pine]

poor aerid

[stiff sage]

one thing i learned for bat was stop paying attention to others and the party list

just look at the ground and hit buttons

[tulip wraith]

also unless im missing something not knowing which way it moves the second time fucks me up

ss2 stresses me less so now cause i remember she does raid wides along with everything else she does

forgetting the raid wides is what kept fucking me up

found a split arena prog for m10 but pure healer already taken 😔

[trim frost]

dude

dude

trying to get to my protean as mt feels so impossible sometimes

i'm like sprinting and everything

[thin fox]

LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT LET ME OUT

[trim frost]

why did they make it boss rel clocks

[thin fox]

because do u trust pf to orient around t rue north during this fuck ass mechanic

do u really

tell me

[trim frost]

well

[thin fox]

to my face

[trim frost]

no

[thin fox]

that u do

[trim frost]

but like

[thin fox]

[trim frost]

give me melee rel south or something

[thin fox]

THEN DO THE SPREAD

[trim frost]

give me something sensible

like fucking

  H H
R     R
M     M
  T T 

or something

im pretty sure i'd still not have enough time to get to north if i gap closed because of anim lock

[thin fox]

switch 2 pally buddy

and use those holy spirits

[trim frost]

IM ON PALADIN

I GET G1 SWORD AND I STILL HAVE TO HAUL ASS TO THE SCYTHE AND I DONT HAVE SPRINT UP ANYMORE BECAUSE I USED IT THE FIRST TIME

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[rapid whale]

this bro

says thats sensible

when the healers have to go

far north

ok bro

[dull drum]

where was my invite

[trim frost]

ur getting cleaved lil bro

[dull drum]

cleave THIS

[trim frost]

already cleaved

[worn bluff]

what does it mean in M10S insane air 2 if... all the debuffs get cleansed but someone dies to the 4th/last explosion

it shows one for 10k and one for 300k damage

[tulip wraith]

ben drowned copy of the game clearly

[jolly flume]

could be someone got venn diagrammed

otherwise I dunno lol

[worn bluff]

oh that was it

lmao

[rapid whale]

was it a melee jumping in to try and cleave asap

[grizzled locust]

whoever doesn't get cleansed will explode as soon as the last boss attack goes off so maybe someone did not cleanse after all 🤷‍♂️ thats a lotta damage

[worn bluff]

oh everything was cleansed i think it was just venn diagram

[jolly flume]

a lot of the time it's venn diagram

bc the last totem for one group is dead center

ask me how I know (happened to me in my clear)

[worn bluff]

it's me i'm the clown

[thin fox]

I would be happy if I at least got

an enrage pull

cuz then I can passport to all the enrage parties

but no

I cant

and all the fucking enrage parties are checking

[fierce matrix]

Brother ive been done for 2 days now

[thin fox]

IF YOU CANT DO ORBITAL OMEN

YOU ARE NOT ECLIPTIC PROG

[grizzled locust]

yeah i learned about those today (now yesterday i guess), i set it up and checked mine, and it says i've reached enrage but at 4.49% when i clearly got it down to 1.0%. unless it only counts boss health at the beginning of the mech. but still

i find the whole concept of passports idiotic but if its gonna be a thing it should at least reflect things correctly

i've seen PFs up like "enrage, checking passports < 2%" like a'ight buddy

[rapid whale]

any big gotchas in m12s p1 i should be concerned with?

only ogtten to act 2 so far

[thin fox]

fuck you for getting past m11

[rapid whale]

i bet u have less pulls than i spent at enrage

https://tenor.com/view/motivation-dj-khaled-be-positive-never-give-up-put-in-that-work-gif-17740864

[grizzled locust]

Oh I guess I should ask while I'm here, but for tanks/melees who cleared M10S, have you found a consistent way to clear the proteans during Arena Split when you're away from Blue? Double-dip is fine, but every time Reverse comes up and I move to the cardinal, I just fucking or get clipped and then die during pair towers. Its absurd at this point.

Both the raidplans and the hector vid mention that you have to align yourself with Red's target circle, basically facing the outer edge of the circle, and that should create an opening. But no matter how much I align it its just never enough.

[thin fox]

it could just be the case that your melee/tank partner is placing theirs wrong

[thin fox]

i'm watching someone stream pf rn and if i g et to her pull count i'm going to crash out

[grizzled locust]

i'd have to check if i still have some recordings on steam, but damn... i played from 12am to 10am and despite playing with several PFs/different Tanks, that's the only mech that seems to screw me over almost every time. its driving me insane

[rapid whale]

water u at

[grizzled locust]

right before pair towers too so if someone happens to die its easily a wipe, or at best an enrage unless people's DPS happens to be top notch, which rarely happens in pf

[thin fox]

80ish

[rapid whale]

yea

ive spent more pulls at enrage than u have total

[thin fox]

question re: cursed pattern

can you just line up with the marker

[rapid whale]

124 pulls at enrage

i suck

[trim frost]

heartbreak kick at 20%

chat are we clearing

[thin fox]

do u know re: above q

[trim frost]

i have a related question

[rapid whale]

idk what u mean by cursed pattern ngl

[thin fox]

where you have to fuckign stand out and in the middle

this

[rapid whale]

wat

[marsh raft]

it can be a stupid question, but can someone explain me, is tomestone weapon better than extreme one?(drk one if it matter)

[thin fox]

yes'

[rapid whale]

idr this at all

u just go to the marker

[thin fox]

you cannot go to the marker here

or else you will die

[rapid whale]

its the

marked players go to marker thing

[thin fox]

you

CANNOT

go to the marker here

[trim frost]

r u looking at toxic

[thin fox]

its the same problem

[rapid whale]

i cannot think of any pattern

where you couldnt stand on the marker

[thin fox]

if this melee moves here they will die to the tether

[rapid whale]

or rather if it was ig i just wiped the group

[trim frost]

🔥

[thin fox]

maybe thats why you keep fucking not clearing!!

because no one in pf knows this apparently!!

[trim frost]

ok i get what you mean

probably because everyone checks wtfdig for no buddies and they don't mention the cursed pattern at all

[thin fox]

in this pattern specifically (front half unsafe, split portals) if the nontether players stand on the marker they will die to the tethers coming out of the portals

[trim frost]

ok so i lied my related question was not related

but

[dapper zealot]

can't believe you'd do that

[trim frost]

is two-way fireball lp stacks or still pair stacks

[thin fox]

twoway is lp

fourway is pair

[trim frost]

mb bruh i saw the ecliptic diagram

[trim frost]

https://youtu.be/j7awOoK6NdI?si=aHWRPS0wS_qVtdMg&t=583 so why do they survive here

[thin fox]

probably something to do w those big fuck off shields

theyre not super heavy hits

[trim frost]

oh.

ok yeah lmfao

[rapid whale]

o its not enum?

totally thought it was enumeration

[thin fox]

nop

its just 2 or 4 baits

[rapid whale]

noted

[thin fox]

cuz otherwise it would be

really bad

to get back in properly lol

obv try get back in anyway but

yea

[trim frost]

what the freak bro no one uploaded my split prog and now everyone's gonna think i'm a prog liar

[thin fox]

[trim frost]

gonna have to jump in a pf and beg for my life ig

[thin fox]

run ur own act u bum

[trim frost]

lazy

do you still have to start it up before opening the game or

[low hearth]

No

just run as administrator

[trim frost]

act or the game

[thin fox]

i just use iinact

plogon version

[fierce matrix]

Baby ass fight

12 p1 is like an ex trial i stg

The only thing ill suggest is to make sure people know to split into roles for the very last mech thats repeated 3 times

And that if an meatball spawns on an intercard, that is where the stack needs to go

[undone tide]

HOLY FUCKKKKKKK

[trim frost]

my goat

[rapid whale]

congrats!

[thin fox]

me soon

[undone tide]

Pair of Grand Champion’s Breeches of Fending equipped.

[trim frost]

OKAYY

chat if i go this full tier without winning anything i might appear on the news

[thin fox]

GOOD ONE

IMPLYING ITS POSSIBLE TO GET THROUGH THE WHOLE TIER

HE THINKS HES GETTING THROUGH M11S

[trim frost]

im not planning to clear 12 by reset honestly

just get me thru 11 and i'll be happy

i believe

[thin fox]

WE HAVE

TWO MELEE

AND

0 FEINT ON THE RAIDWIDE

TWO MELEE

TWO MELEE= TWO FEINT

YET 0

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE

NO ONE KNOWS

[craggy marsh]

In my 8 month long pettiness I've been spying on my cruiserweight static leads logs and it brings some comfort knowing he's been hardstuck on m11 for 3 days

[sick reef]

saving for m12s

[tired egret]

[rapid whale]

mb

[craggy marsh]

I trusted you bapple

[undone tide]

the group i just cleared with stuck together for 4 hours

we only had to replace 2 people

i don’t know if we were dumb or we were actually just resilient

[deft yarrow]

Im really feeling that "the further away from reset it is the worse PF is going to be" rule rn

[scarlet lintel]

only 2 days let and im still stuck on m12s p1 enrae

w1 isnt happening ig

i realized that statics have a better chance with the dps check bc they can give their dps their gear

in pf ur just

get lucky ig

or suffer

[undone tide]

i think i am going to reward myself by not raiding tomorrow

or limiting my hours

my hand was starting to hurt

plus i’m on new meds so i had a headache the entire time

[scarlet lintel]

too bad i cant get into a week 1 static without a pf week 1 clear

[thin fox]

Im inching closer

[shadow pilot]

23%

[craggy marsh]

Getting into week 1 statics is more about you just knowing people

[scarlet lintel]

Sounds about right

Idk where ur meant to meet these people tho

[craggy marsh]

Honestly it's just luck

Or just vibing with peiple

[amber fable]

Or make one yourself

[thin fox]

ur pld right

[undone tide]

yes

[thin fox]

what do you send for towers in ecliptic

[undone tide]

uhh

[thin fox]

Im worried about not being able to do kitchen sink

if I send too much

but idk what to send

[undone tide]

i used guardian and shel

i was very conservative with my mit

i don’t know why

[thin fox]

do you do shared kitchen sink with just rampart + bulwark + hs?

[undone tide]

i think just ramp and hs

was comfy with a lil healer help

[thin fox]

mmk

[undone tide]

i think i double hs’d though to have resolve for both

[thin fox]

just dont wanna wipe to no mit

[undone tide]

you don’t need to worry that much

[thin fox]

I send guardian on the buster so Ill probably use hs + rampart for the tower

and then guardian + bulwark + rep + hs for sink

[undone tide]

what are you sinking

[thin fox]

final tower

[undone tide]

no

don’t do that

party invuln invuln

[thin fox]

how many hits do you need to soak together before invuln

[undone tide]

other tank invulns 1st tb

1 for second tower, 2 for third tower

i used short + bulwark on third

[thin fox]

ok

[undone tide]

just short on second

you need other tank to invuln 1st tb though

hg won’t be up

so invuln 1st tb share 2nd invuln 2nd and 3rd heartbreak

[thin fox]

ok

[undone tide]

[fierce matrix]

Ngl doing shared invuln invuln is troll cause if you do it right you can get a third LB3

Rip LB during meteor and by the time last tower finishes youll have a 2nd LB3 if you heal it properly

I also just hate invulning the tower cause you have to take a hit anyways and its fucking annoying

But PF be PF

Invulning second is fine cause potted 2 min atleast

[scarlet lintel]

I play war and u can rampart at 9m to catch ecliptic

And have it back up for sink

Assuming u sink the last tower

I just use rampart + thrill + BW iirc for the tank tower

Can’t remember if I use thrill or not cause it won’t be up for the sink

Paladin has stronger mits tho

[undone tide]

this is crazy skill issue

[fierce matrix]

I mean i did it fine LOL

Its not really a skill issue, just annoying imo not to gen another LB3

[thin fox]

u know whats even more annoying

dying

[fierce matrix]

Healing there is also not really that hard

We didnt so any applicable mit to the boss and our healers just GCDd and we got the LB on multiple runs (sadly enrage on a few of them but )

[pale blade]

you mean to tell me that people are blowing it out of proportion again?

[fierce matrix]

Well its moreso that there is leftover tank mit and invulns

So they just try and use it

Now tbf you should be doing it for the second tower, cause thats a potted 2 min

Third isnt really useful tho as its literally just filler and gening LB gauge is gonna be more valuable than healer dps in filler imo

[thin fox]

this might be a wash

Im gonna go for a clear tomorrow

I need to bedge

@rapid whale are u still here

ok i've decided

[valid solar]

he left to get cigarettes

[thin fox]

the reason cursed pattern exists is because of the strat

these markers + doing inside makes cursed exist

you need different markers and also to go outside edge

and cursed goes away

100% willing to bet bapple used outer edge markers

[rapid whale]

wsup

ya tf + kindred mark + no buddy is the standard atp no

[thin fox]

dude

there are so many people who dont realise that you can only do outer

I was told to do inner

and thats why I kept getting fucked

Im gonna fucking strangle toxic friends

how do people even get these super finnicky spots btw

I know its using plogons but what plogon even does that

[rapid whale]

shruge

i just stand on my marker and pray

[thin fox]

why did buddy strat even exist

i don't even understand the difference

honestly

[fierce matrix]

Wtf is the buddy strat lmao

[thin fox]

https://raidplan.io/plan/hvbysrfwvrc55ahz

everything pre slide 15

[fierce matrix]

I guess so you dont have to use body language?

Which is not hard at all btw

Thats the only reason i can see

[thin fox]

i think they did some weird thing where you would like always have tether go opposite portal and buddy has to follow(?)

when there's no reason to do this and you can just have static spots initially

[fierce matrix]

Well I think its to basically have the prey markers assigned always

So that way when you go in you dont have to worry about who takes n or s

But again you have enough time to figure that out its not hard

[thin fox]

yeah you have so much time to just body language a spot while marker is going out

its not the cause of wipes anyway

the wipes just come from people not fucking positioning

[fierce matrix]

Ngl

I did m11s in pf today and holy shit

I hate like 90% of the things people do

Why the fuck do people stack north for void stardust and not south

Thats like if we stacked north for first seeds in m7s

[thin fox]

the spread for that mech is so fucking awful I hate being a melee

I just kind of go out on paladin and using a holy spirit

and just hope that the other tank + 2 melee can have an easier time

the ranged r pretty good at just fucking off

[fierce matrix]

Its not really too tight tbh

[thin fox]

its not

but

pf

[fierce matrix]

So true

The other one is omen dodges

I fucking

Hate how pf does it

Needlessly risky

[thin fox]

I just do a 2-1-2 dodge

[fierce matrix]

You wanna know how to make it actually stupid

Here

[thin fox]

its not hard but it takes a few attempts to feel out the timing

[fierce matrix]

Look for first intersection

[thin fox]

and when ur not a tank u just die while learning

[fierce matrix]

Aim boss safe side at intersection

Walk into first intersection on cast

Mechanic over

[thin fox]

yeah that's never happening in pf

[fierce matrix]

I did it in pf

And people thanked me lol

It makes the mechanic non existent

And ofc I joined another one and did the dodge easily

First time too btw