How does monk peform in endgame? been playing with in early levels and its pretty busted
#endgame-lounge
worthy halo
wicked delta
been a top melee since release
wicked delta
this raid tier is no different lol
it suffers a bit more than the other melees rn bc of the fact that a lot of mechs will force you to lose uptime
but its still a top melee so lol
worthy halo
Sick
zealous meteor
how can it be a top melee in a fight that isn't TOP /s
zealous meteor
yeah but then you have to play viper 
amber fable
I like viper
mossy eagle
Hot take: M10S snaking debuffs should have been random within roles rather than proximity
sleek moon
would it have changed anything though
the way people solve that doesnt matter who are the other 3 with you
other than maybe which dps baits third/fourth for fire
mossy eagle
I had people not baiting correctly initially, and I found it fun to adjust on the fly rather than knowing exactly what you would be doing once your clock spot was selected
The mechanic solution would not change (other DPS needing a number priority system for protean spots and cleanse order), but each pull would just have a tiny bit more variety in it
scarlet lintel
its a new day and its time to deal with the hardest mechanic in m12s:
getting the party to fill
mossy eagle
Perils of being a PF warrior in the final stages of prog
Everyone is walled by 11 currently
somber forge
Finally finished M9 last night after some really bad PF luck. Won 2 accesories though so now I need to decide what job to use the earring on since my main job doesn't need it.
mossy eagle
Be a tank
remote gate
i saw one m12s prog last night and billion 10 parties
rain geode
Yeah Im not sure how your supposed to get a PF group through 10S
random needle
That's the neat part
boreal pumice
link them the hector video ez
remote gate
posted on twitter, current m12s clears by jobs
not surprising that gunbreaker is so low
boreal pumice
is it weaker or ppl dont like the change
random needle
Summoner found dead in Seattle
boreal pumice
hey tbf that was blm
sleek moon
is reaper so low just because these downtime fights ruin double enshroud or something?
rain geode
I think its mostly the reaper just doesnt really bring a lot to the table in general rn.
molten moon
sick reef
is reaper so low just because these downtime fights ruin double enshroud or some...
its cuz of cooly
true beacon
Summoner found dead in Seattle
Why Seattle?
worn bluff
also downtime forces more nonstandard stuff for RPR and your average RPR player does not want to deal with that
true beacon
Said the one that preferred whm in M11S
boreal pumice
what changes would you make to rpr outside just delete?
jolly flume
I'm not even going to dignify that with a response
please refer to what I've said like 60 times since 7.4 about white mage
remote gate
what changes would you make to rpr outside just delete?
if i were smart enough to fix reaper id say how but I have no clue how to actually fix it
shout outs to the one smn that cleared though
boreal pumice
only thing i can think of is literally just being a drg harpe insta cast but you enchanced harpe when you egress to do more dmg like drg
amber fable
what changes would you make to rpr outside just delete?
Gluttony stack alone would fix major issues
It needs 12 normal gcd to match one gluttony for guage
Harpe is sorta crap tbf
true beacon
I mean I like whm
amber fable
Whm dont have mit issue now
visual geyser
Homogenize the jobs further
amber fable
That 1m mit helps a lot
Plus opener misery
Yes please make gap closers non damaging
Its moronic that its damage for some jobs still...dont care if its more homogenization
Make utility pure utility
visual geyser
Just funny
worn bluff
PLD gap closer doing damage does not make me feel that the job is more unique or fun
amber fable
People cry over job homogenization then cry oh no xyz job is worse at zyx fight
visual geyser
^
I just find it funny the second one job can do something else people expect all the other jobs to also do it 
Which isn’t a bad thing in a lot of cases
amber fable
Se game Philosophy is none left behind
Altho its not 100% successful
Its like 95% successful
worn bluff
if i were smart enough to fix reaper id say how but I have no clue how to actual...
they had some ideas to change RPR but they stuck them into VPR and PCT instead because it’s more interesting to players to package it in a brand new thing
motifs are better soulsow
visual geyser
How bad is smn rn
amber fable
Prnage are usually below casters
visual geyser
I mean yea but mch doesn’t have anything but damage
boreal pumice
can throw a wrench at things
visual geyser
Of course but still
amber fable
But like...for pug setting smn is decent enough
boreal pumice
thing is if your doing mits right /healers dont suck then its just not needed
visual geyser
Smn should just be a flashy job that sucks
worn bluff
phoenix right during heal check 
visual geyser
Don’t hate it
visual geyser
But every dps wants their job to be big damage
amber fable
Yeah...thats the point of dps
amber fable
Balance within role is close for everyone minus caster
Smn is gapped
And mch for prange
visual geyser
Mch doing more damage than Smn doesn’t sound to bad to me on paper 🤔
boreal pumice
the rezz tax
quick verge
the mythical rez tax
rain geode
MCH is fine imo its just that like in prog why would you give up "double dipping" on gear DNC gives you
amber fable
Buff comp is simply better
visual geyser
Like downtime fuks it hard I’d imagine
amber fable
If you arent a buffer then you sure as hell need to be good feeder
visual geyser
Kinda like when bard couldn’t do their songs without a target
rain geode
Im pretty sure SMN problem is almost purely damage
amber fable
Smn would be good in downtime cuz its all cd
No guage
Its just damage wise other casters would still blow it
boreal pumice
smn is just somthing ya play when being extra lazy
rain geode
Like they made it basically a phys ranged so it gets that "tax" and it has a rez so it double taxed
visual geyser
Ye that’s why I I’m not mad at mch doing more than it in full uptime 
amber fable
Its more so how gapped smn is
sleek moon
wdym smn is great
-# /s
amber fable
Play smn if thats what you like still...nothing wrong with it
rain geode
Id rather a SMN who knows how to do mechanics over a BLM who doesnt
fierce matrix
Im pretty sure SMN problem is almost purely damage
SMN also has the problem of only rez as its utility and swift being regularly used in its rotation
Its damage is core to that too since BLM has no rez but pumps soooo much out it doesnt matter
fierce matrix
RDM and PCT both have so much utility, and RDM having dualcast for rezzes
fierce matrix
I think G1 Sword to Scythe W is gonna be my biggest pain point this tier <:blobe...
I call the pattern far and pop sprint
If it happens for weapons 1 and weapons 2 swiftcast and glhf
Its even worse as a MT
:)
dusk sky
fierce matrix
Its just getting used to the speed
dusk sky
Yeah, like just clocking when sword’s already gone off so you can hoof it
fierce matrix
The timing is really tight tho
Thats why I like the charbydistopia weapons
They will always be on cards rotating clockwise/counter
So you have so much time to get there
dusk sky
Yeah, it’s worst movement is like, SW to N or so,
Or any other variation like that distance
fierce matrix
Yeah, its those long hauls
Just give me protean scythe first every time
Pls and ty
remote gate
hey furenn youre like this close 🤏 to clearing m12 right
remote gate
which fight do you see being the hardest to reclear
fierce matrix
It locked in at a 26 im so dogshit 
clear plume
i had a 0.02% enrage kms
fierce matrix
which fight do you see being the hardest to reclear
That tbh is undecided for me rn
Im waiting to see pf strats and "braindead" strats
remote gate
im more concerned about 10 than anything
remote gate
the following weeks are when more dumb stuff is discovered for fights right
sleek moon
hey furenn youre like this close 🤏 to clearing m12 right
you have been banned from south korea
clear plume
which fight do you see being the hardest to reclear
10 tbqh
fierce matrix
11 I think will be easier to clear with braindead markers on spots
clear plume
unless dpscheck is just free on relclears
fierce matrix
So tether resolve is ez as fuck
remote gate
you have been banned from south korea
damn guess im not gonna see kpop demon hunters irl
clear plume
11 has one mech to it really and its really easy once you know it
fierce matrix
unless dpscheck is just free on relclears
DPS check is already free tbh
fierce matrix
I had 3 deaths on my kill
Plus 5 DDs
And we tank LB3ed
And we still killed before the cast
remote gate
do the brothers need to die at the same time
fierce matrix
With downtime strats too
No
We killed one of them like 3% before the other
Lmao
remote gate
gotcha
worn bluff
do the brothers need to die at the same time
they take a blow for each other bro
dusk sky
It’s funny, the first day we only had like four pulls of 10 where snaking targeted the opposite side, then the next day we only saw like two pulls where it didn’t
Love a mech that forces people to learn both roles
fierce matrix
Its either always opposite or always same, no fucking clue what determines that
dusk sky
Yeah I figure it’s either the brothers target the nearest or the farthest with their debuffs
worn bluff
Love a mech that forces people to learn both roles
it also makes it even more silly when someone only wants to MT or OT M10. like… there’s barely any difference
fierce matrix
I think its silly for almost every savage fight 
worn bluff
true
fierce matrix
Also can we teach PF to do the last water Tank buster properly please
Ive seen this like 4 times now
dusk sky
When you can tell the ranged or healer isn’t comfortable with water side and your safe space on fire after the Alley-oops is a hair wide
fierce matrix
When you do the last mech, have the FIRE tank take the water buster
remote gate
you know now that im thinking about it m9 was way easier than m5
fierce matrix
Because the water boss FOLLOWS the water tank
craggy marsh
Im looking forward to seeing 9 just completely fall over in the later weeks
remote gate
waaay less chances to fuck up and have a party explode in m9 than m5
fierce matrix
This is so hard
remote gate
Im looking forward to seeing 9 just completely fall over in the later weeks
will we be the ones stomping vamp
craggy marsh
sleek moon
ngl that didnt even cross my mind but it makes sense lol
it should be fire tank
nobody loses uptime
fierce matrix
EXACTLY
fierce matrix
Yep
He follows the water tank after the alleyoop
Then jumps to the furthest
At that point whoever is opposite tank can just pop mit and everyone stack under water
You can even sit meleeing the fire
Then take the puddles towards fire
Mech resolved
dusk sky
Oh, I can’t wait for freaky pyrotations to be soloable with literally any gear
fierce matrix
Instead of praying everyone gets close enough in and popping sprint
dusk sky
My partner was having trouble so I solo’d a lot of ‘em
dapper zealot
Sounds so simple. Literally impossible to do
fierce matrix
So true
dusk sky
Oh, I can’t wait for freaky pyrotations to be soloable with literally any gear
Or does this cause a damage down I forget
dim pollen
Ok I'm now at that unfortunant prog point where it seems people are always stumped
Why can noone do hell in a cell?
craggy marsh
All the good pf people cleared so now you have the bad people
dusk sky
I figured 9’s only real point is just second screech…
boreal pumice
weekend dad gamers
craggy marsh
Second screech is an easy mech if people take a second to pay attention and think
dusk sky
Add priorities and not getting mowed down by saws and voices
sleek moon
Why can noone do hell in a cell?
people cant find north and shit
dim pollen
Lol
fierce matrix
The hardest part to me is not killing my melee with vamp stomp aoes on certain bat patterns
craggy marsh
Undead deathmatch also isnt that bad imo
fierce matrix
Everything else is an ex trial
quick verge
which one is undead deathmatch
dim pollen
Bats
fierce matrix
But bro trying to dodge those fuckers greeding uptime
dim pollen
And teethers
sleek moon
The hardest part to me is not killing my melee with vamp stomp aoes on certain b...
bruh we're running dual casters and the tanks and lone melee still find a way to kill each other
fierce matrix
LOL
craggy marsh
which one is undead deathmatch
Bats with chains
fierce matrix
fierce matrix
Undead deathmatch is a fucking normal dungeon mech
sleek moon
if the bat aoes are north south the tanks just fuck anyone in their path
worn bluff
At that point whoever is opposite tank can just pop mit and everyone stack under...
oh i see i didn’t even think about it like that lol. theres no reason that the party has to start taking the stacks by fire boss, as long as they can get to the bosses after the jump
fierce matrix
Yep
dusk sky
Why is the cast undead death match when the actual tower is bloody bondage
Much better cast name imo
dim pollen
Cause bondage is by yourself a death match involves 2 people
sleek moon
also bat+chain was where i died on my clear 
dim pollen
Rip
sleek moon
idk whats up with the fucked up snapshotting there
dusk sky
Doesn’t undead deathmatch just set up the bat towers 😭
quick verge
idk whats up with the fucked up snapshotting there
u didnt move fast enough
sleek moon
i dont record
dim pollen
Yes but your chained to the bats
dim pollen
Like how bombers death match is tieing you to him
dusk sky
When you think it’s alternating cleaves but really sanguine scratch is the most fucked up rotating pattern actually
sleek moon
nah im way closer to the US than that, i got 91ms ping
fierce matrix
Chat I got a grey am I shit?
fierce matrix
Cause I died
quick verge
pad next week
quick verge
get your weapon and its time for historical 100 demon runs
dusk sky
The 10 padding is wild
dapper zealot
Chat I got a grey am I shit?
Washed, it's over
fierce matrix
get your weapon and its time for historical 100 demon runs
SO TRUE
We are running splits too
dusk sky
I only whiffed one gravity on our kill 
sleek moon
then 9 padding is wilder, all your parses will be double rng now
fierce matrix
So I get weapon w2
dusk sky
I think it was when Red Hot jumped away for arena split
sleek moon
crit rng + spawn pattern
quick verge
9 padding is light work
you hit your cleave buttons and they hit no matter where you are
sleek moon
yeah but hes a tank
craggy marsh
Chat I got a grey am I shit?
It bothers me that it's "Lindwurm 2" instead of its actual name in phase 2
quick verge
have a mnk take a far tower
worn bluff
i think the water buster problem might also be solved the normal way if water tank gap closes to fire so both bosses are together anyways
but then you need to save a 2nd gap close to do the funny snapshot
dusk sky
Wait it’s name changes??
fierce matrix
No
craggy marsh
Oh it doesnt?
quick verge
no
dusk sky
fierce matrix
Nope
craggy marsh
Lame
fierce matrix
Its just lindworm
sleek moon
i still havent seen an english vid of that tbh, i only saw lucrezia's
dusk sky
I thought so, like it does become a House of the Dead Magician looking fucker, but same name
fierce matrix
i think the water buster problem might also be solved the normal way if water ta...
Ig yeah but I think this is an easier solve
fierce matrix
I thought so, like it does become a House of the Dead Magician looking fucker, b...
Because its the birth of a new lindworm
dusk sky
fierce matrix
WE ARE WITNESSING THE BIRTH OF A NEW LINDWORM
quick verge
kihra is just boring and doesnt give it a cool name
dapper zealot
It bothers me that it's "Lindwurm 2" instead of its actual name in phase 2
The true name of John Arcadion
dusk sky
I guess the code Veronica boss is closer
craggy marsh
So is this the first time we dont have a fight named after the raid series
fierce matrix
Listen when im teleporting fucking dimensions
sleek moon
rip arcadion prime
fierce matrix
I really dont care
sleek moon
maybe in the ultimate
fierce matrix
This fight is banger
dusk sky
Smh why didn’t the president name the Arcadion after Lindblum
quick verge
is the last mechanic in 12-2 hard
dusk sky
Looks @ them causing the apocalypse
worn bluff
rip arcadion prime
perfect arcadion
quick verge
or is it just visualslop
fierce matrix
Not even close to visual slop tbh
sleek moon
it looks like memoryslop
dapper zealot
So is this the first time we dont have a fight named after the raid series
Yeah I am sad we didn't get the namesake fight
quick verge
can someone call it out because i dont play this game to remember mechanics
dusk sky
It looks like the type of encounter where the boss spends 60% of time just setting up
sleek moon
i think you gotta remember what your clone has but the other stuff can be called out?
worn bluff
all of the feral souls combine alexander style into the building and you fight the building
quick verge
tldr
fierce matrix
That is the TLDR
quick verge
wp
fierce matrix
:)
worn bluff
E12 is that you
dusk sky
I understand completely now 
fierce matrix
No
sleek moon
like see 10 and 12 are the first and third stock mechanics
fierce matrix
E12S had two stocks and two releases
sleek moon
which is a crazy thing to do
quick verge
E12 is that you
its called stock
not junction
because this
is the ff9 expansion
not ff8
worn bluff
oh true
craggy marsh
Stockslop
quick verge
subscribe for more funny jokes
fierce matrix
like see 10 and 12 are the first and third stock mechanics
Thats also 3 mins later BTW
sleek moon
at least its not remembering a cast bar in the middle of burst window like certain other fights
fierce matrix
The worst part is you are just hitting a fucking striking dummy for a minute straight
Then its like
OKAY RESOLVE GO GO GO GO
quick verge
the most puzzleslop fight to ever puzzleslop
fierce matrix
And the downtime is during a 1 min and the mechs are during the 2
Its not even puzzle swap
Slop
Whatever
sleek moon
i saw a tweet that brings the idea that this was cut from FRU
fierce matrix
Its the mechs memory
quick verge
yea thats puzzleslop
worn bluff
i think i’m ready for m10 clear party i just have to resist the intrusive thoughts to gap close the final water buster
because if i fuck it up on a clear pull i’m uninstalling
quick verge
just max melee
fierce matrix
yea thats puzzleslop
The difference is puzzle means like parsing out a bunch of debuffs and shit. This is simple mechs just memorizing when they are going off.
Think like p8s p2
That shit is puzzle slop
quick verge
p12s panda express
worn bluff
just max melee
i’m gonna run to the next zip code to make sure we clear
quick verge
would yugi moto run to the wall to guarantee a clear
worn bluff
quick verge
is it even worth clearing if you lose dps from playing safe
no
worn bluff
technically everyone loses dps if the bosses are separate
boreal pumice
yugi moto would , the pharaoh meanwhile 
quick verge
thats optimal pad strat
i have a stardiver there
well before that
but a starcross
quick verge
feint is like 10y
sleek moon
if you're using hg cant you just chill in the fire
quick verge
you only cant feint if blue boy is in the wall
worn bluff
if you're using hg cant you just chill in the fire
i go in the fire sometimes yeah
if there’s no clean cone
it gives 15s bleed but you have plenty of mit for it to use if you want
quick verge
the burn is negligible on tanks
craggy marsh
I cant wait for M10 on pld bc it's just total eclipse gaming
worn bluff
more like holy spirit gaming
craggy marsh
SCH gets to have fun with art of war spam
spice path
There's so much downtime in 10. No using any coil in melee range on viper. Gotta save them all for being out of range.
worn bluff
using coil in melee range feels lame anyways
spice path
If i am gunna overcap when I know i have extended melee time I'll pop it but... thats about it.
jaunty pulsar
I read a post on reddit people are really getting angry in US for the DDoS attacks, people are hating the game?
you know how's reddit so I wouldn't trust who post there xD
sleek moon
we got 3 days of peace
boreal pumice
after the race it stopped
but lets be real if you were getting ddos over an over why woulnt you be pissed?
visual geyser
Yea they will continue
spice path
Its been okay for a few days. But it was very very annoying. Yeah we were mad.
visual geyser
Thing is most of the ddos usually happens in the .x5 patches
jaunty pulsar
any idea who may be the attacker?
visual geyser
No because that’s the point of a ddos xd
jaunty pulsar
sadly I wouldn't blame SE for it, it happens quite a bit from time to time since I started playing
personally I still think it's competitors doing it, but ppl say no
spice path
Its probably even multiple people. Some people might not even know they are part of it because its malware that turns their home router into a ddos machine basically.
boreal pumice
you can have a list all you like but you cant prove it , i could say your doing it , my evidence? i made the fuck up
jaunty pulsar
I agree
craggy marsh
I don't blame SE for it but I do think it's funny how Yoshi said they have their defences in place for the ddos during world first
when he actually meant defences for JP
kind elm
like im shocked they havent even said anything other than that lodestone post that pops up every few days
craggy marsh
ya
kind elm
we can absolutely blame SE for the absolute dysfunctional community communication about what is happening
boreal pumice
well hes gonna have a fun LL to explain it or a NA fan fest
craggy marsh
while I know other games get ddos happen to them idk if it's the same frequency as XIV
like with WoW I rarely notice a ddos
dull drum
I read a post on reddit people are really getting angry in US for the DDoS attac...
tbf if i have to turn on a vpn just to play a game i pay a monthly subscription for without worry of getting sent back to login screen id be pissed too
jaunty pulsar
yeah I also got pissed a year ago when it happened on eu ngl
boreal pumice
wow got DDOS alot during the onlyfangs event (streamer thing) to get theor hardcore characters killed
jaunty pulsar
the goal of the ddos is make us stop playing
jaunty pulsar
hopefully ppl find other ways to invest money than cyber attacks, that's all I can hope for
zealous meteor
well hes gonna have a fun LL to explain it or a NA fan fest
due to unforeseen circumstances we are unable to take live questions during the NA fanfest. we apologize for the inconvenience
low hearth
Ugh, what a drag! Let’s do this together bro!
craggy marsh
I'll wipe you
scarlet lintel
I’m nervous bruh
P1 enrage is tuff and considering p2 is harder idk if I have enough days
jolly flume
everything burns 
light it up let's go light it up let's go everything burns light it up let's go light it up let's go
sinful brook
Everything erms
boreal pumice
everything birds
shy obsidian
everything wurms
craggy marsh
Everything boo-urns
jolly flume
you guys think we have enough mit on this
boreal pumice
MORE
boreal pumice
maybe you are forgetful and need a reminder where to be
stick it somewhere like the right bottom right below the party list w/e
worn bluff
you guys think we have enough mit on this
smh feint early by 0.2 seconds
or is reprisal late by 0.2s
reprisal is the odd one out ig
sleek moon
you guys think we have enough mit on this
need more to make it -67%
or wait
the second last
its good enough then
boreal pumice
just get a crit shield ez
valid solar
need more to make it -67%
worn bluff
too many pixels
quick verge
need more to make it -67%
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
jagged aspen
mits are optional ig
alpine plover
how do you
hold 2mins
in bubble
do you send 1s then wait a bit after bubble pops to send 2s?
or do you not send anything
amber fable
Each fire tether does like 10% damage
I was on drk and didnt had to spend anything beside doing some egde
You can probably do 1m still
If your dps is good then you can hold
jagged aspen
do you send 1s then wait a bit after bubble pops to send 2s?
i think if you want to optimize you only want to hold for a little and hold both
so that it aligns with burst after insane air 2
i dont remember the timestamp on that but you cant hold for too long
worn bluff
i think it’s 15% per fire
worn bluff
if bubble is 15% by last hit you win
jagged aspen
6
worn bluff
6
amber fable
Okay
amber fable
Well 6x15 is 90 already
So 8.6m hp have to get dpsed
1m at start of bubble should be fine
jagged aspen
my tomestone is barely working im trying to check timings
worn bluff
i thought 1s come up at end of snaking and then middle of bubble
worn bluff
idk what people normally do w the 1s but yeah i held them just bc we didn’t need the damage on bubble
and then pot after with 2s
idk the timeline to know if you lose a use of 1s that way
jagged aspen
ok so insane air 2 finishes at 8:40
which is when you want to send last nukes
so you have a total of 40s delay
bubble ends at 6:30 ish
so you send 2mins there
and it works out fine
and it starts at 5:40 ish
so youre not losing 1mins
unless youre failing to kill bubbles
aka
0:0x 2min+1min
...
5:0x 1min
<bubble phase>
6:30 2min+1min
7:30 1min
8:40 2min+1min
9:40 1min
boss dead
with earlier buffs if youre lacking damage on ball
jagged aspen
its fine to send on last dashes or w/e
to finish ball
also you have a couple seconds to finish it after mech ends
so you can do giga cleave on 3 targets
low hearth
Triple cleave 
jagged aspen
but ofc that situation is kinda scuffed and you shouldve been sending cds earlier if its that tight
worn bluff
i feel like parallel helps a lot w making things predictable for average PF to DPS
sinful brook
so you can get 6 fires or smth
It's 6 pairs of tethers not 6 total
jagged aspen
yes but you cant get more than 6 tethers yourself xd
sinful brook
So each set of tethers is a water and a fire
jagged aspen
i mean each player can get more than 2 i think
jagged aspen
hmm i didnt quite pay attention then
worn bluff
idk how it picks
sinful brook
I've gotten 2 fire before
jagged aspen
its definitely not 1 of each color per player though
worn bluff
i’ve def gotten 2 in a row but idk if i’ve gotten more than 2 total
jagged aspen
ye that definitely happens
i didnt quite pay attention to whether we got more than 2
worn bluff
Tank jail was the worst strat ever
i think it was just people assuming you take a lot of damage inside or something
and then shortly after people realized you actually take less i think
jagged aspen
well yea you see big tower you send tanks, easy logic
also do balls hit ppl inside or not?
finite plank
how do you
maintain as much uptime as possible, if gauge job, up to you to guess what you can spend or not
for nin, all my mudras are going to be used for disengage and suiton for final, and bunshin, i just use bunshin on cd as usual
one time i disengaged too much that lead to a lot of throwing daggers, i did less damage than a whm and a warrior in a 2m/1m hold jail attempt
it did clear, jail, but it was until later that i noticed how atrocious my dps during jail was
jagged aspen
it does, but it does greatly reduced damage
but like is it a big deal at all? ive seen people throwing a fit because we crossed tethers
finite plank
but like is it a big deal at all? ive seen people throwing a fit because we cros...
definitely not a big deal of damage when being a non tank in jail
you have no job at all besides hit ball or heal party if you're in jail
jolly flume
cross tether can make it annoying for the people outside I guess
unpredictable movement and dropping an extra aoe in the arena
parallel is so free idk why you'd ever want to cross them honestly
sleek moon
yeah the idea is to leave that big ass 40% of the arena free
shy obsidian
WHY ARE YALL SLANDERING MEEEEEEEE
finite plank
what are you? a sam player?
shy obsidian
🥺
rain geode
Instead progging I let my boss convince me to help him with some store decorations so now he has me doing origami and im not sure which of those two thing makes me more angry lmao
Oragami or progging
stray forge
I've learned this lounge is for ppl with a thing for humiliation 🥀 I would say I don't judge but I think they want me to judge
remote gate
sometimes it feels good to be humiliated and then become good enough to rise above the humiliation
finite plank
i was called to be shit here, years later, im less shit
least i learned to maintain gcd uptime even if it meant an excessively large amount of throwing daggers before it all happened
wicked delta
bullying builds character or something
rain geode
As with all video games that require skill everyone sucks and If you think you don't your the worst
boreal pumice
nah that just makes you a journalist
wicked delta
low hearth
Samurai players when forced to decide between greeding one gcd during insane air or wiping the entire raid
quick verge
there's no greed during insane air btw
thin fox
insane air is a full uptime mechanic
its lowkirkenuinely harder to uptime insane air as caster than it is melee
terse zodiac
i never understand how you can be bad at greeding, nobody is enraging to 1 lost gcd, deaths lead to enrages
thin fox
because the spins make your casts get fucking interrupted
terse zodiac
the spins are toxic af
rain geode
I mean I had a 10:04 clear of m9s but I felt like there were bigger problems the a gcd or 2
terse zodiac
m9s close calls are definitely gonna be down to many deaths/damage downs
the check is really lenient
rain geode
We had 1 death and I think 0 damage downs I think my mates simply weren't pressing buttons
terse zodiac
well that too lol
rain geode
Expect my BLM they were kinda blasting and if the parse is to be believed so was i
Thinking about it if I didn't send pots we probably don't clear that pull it was tight
rain geode
But honestly they were the best group I had gotten so far so all is forgiven
golden jewel
got my ex2 clear in pf \o/
it was not without its challenges though lol
rain geode
I've gotten all my clears of everything in pf tho I'm starting to regret it for savage lmao
true beacon
got my ex2 clear in pf \o/
it was not without its challenges though lol
Zoraal Ja?
golden jewel
yas
true beacon
Which part was challenging…?
rain geode
Maybe I should have more faith in others but every ex I've done so far I've been like "yeah if you want to try anyone can clear" but I'm starting to have my doubts about that in savage
shy obsidian
Well to be fairrr, every extreme is daunting for a newer player
golden jewel
tank kept not taking their tether, wiping us (happened at least twice)
and a Bard that had cleared before was being a dikdik about everything
shy obsidian
It’ll feel more like a normal raid the more ya do it lol
golden jewel
for some odd reason, tanks lost aggro during conga with half-full, and they would not stop typing during the fight to rage about it as well
that wss the only pull we hit enrage and wiped to it
still dont know why they lost aggro
we were all kinda laughing about it though except the bard
true beacon
Wow, those guys were dicks
golden jewel
it was a messy clear, but hey I got it and we did 2 more runs to clean up lol
im a little messy myself at the swords stuff and the partners part, was just confusing
golden jewel
I dont even know 😭 stances were on
wicked delta
golden jewel
they were both alive
wicked delta
i would like to ask the same question
how do you lose aggro
with stance on.........
true beacon
On Zoraal Ja
golden jewel
I was really confused, they lost it during his little mine is the path phase right before turmoil then conga
rain geode
My goal tonight is to get to the point where I can join enrage parties
true beacon
In the first warp phase?
boreal pumice
with stance on.........
only way would be you die or dont press buttons
golden jewel
In the first warp phase?
yes first warp
sorry I memorized some stuff by his voicelines lol
true beacon
Then they literally weren’t pressing buttons for like a good multiple seconds
Oh I do too
golden jewel
it was easier to watch the arena and then hear him go "bleed" to check which side I needed to be on
golden jewel
Then they literally weren’t pressing buttons for like a good multiple seconds
which is wild bc the gunb had cleared before, only the pld, myself, and the whm were fresh
sinful brook
you win these
zealous meteor
boreal pumice
buy chiyos ded 
zealous meteor
washed
jolly flume
we have arrived
zealous meteor
that's just a man
boreal pumice
but how much time do you hav left?
clear plume
after basically 2 days on 12-2 enrage finally it dies
(idyllic was hard for people but it is what it is)
trim frost
that's just a man
put some respect on fleshiva
boreal pumice
i mean time still in the duty
jolly flume
an hour
we didn't study anyways so its just
yolo pull the rest of the lockout
then movie night
clear plume
boss dedge
jolly flume
gz
clear plume
we could not get a clean kill for way too long
boreal pumice
drg still using gay bulge peak drg speak design
jolly flume
we could not get a clean kill for way too long
that rough?
I basically know nothing about the phase besides the first replication and a general idea of idyllic
clear plume
chemist for next clear pog
clear plume
that rough?
we had our first low enrage like 2 days ago so i assume your group wont struggle as much and be able to kill on a healer lb3 angle type thing
But we got bard bow drop (bc game hates me playing jobs I enjoy) and drg spear so it should be free on reclears at least
craggy marsh
well there's my all healers lol
WAR for the phase 2?
clear plume
Had as many pulls on p12-2 as it took for my fru prog
craggy marsh
then you'll have done every healer
rapid whale
boss dedge
congrats!@
clear plume
Oof
rapid whale
pf be pf
clear plume
Oh you’re pf?
rapid whale
ye
clear plume
Chain tower is the towers beta drop when they break from an alpha
Blob towers are the ones that drop before he spins around you
Chain towers will always be opposite of where the exit was when they broke chain, always intercard for blob towers
finite plank
is it actually top looper
scarlet lintel
im crashing out
finite plank
i'd probably hit 250 pulls on pf for m12
thin fox
is it actually top looper
its 3412 yeah
jolly flume
ok replication 1 is free
dull drum
im crashing out
close enough
scarlet lintel
u know
i thoght since warrior doesnt get any changes
i didnt have to check if the opener ever updated
well
aparenty it did
finite plank
what was the change
scarlet lintel
just pot timing i thnk
and apparently u use diff openers depending on thefight
im gonna swap to early ir opener for m12s since it ends weird
finite plank
prepull ir
trim frost
-29.5s opener
scarlet lintel
i lose an IC if i do this in the opener
but i get all my ICs and stuff at the end as well
fierce matrix
im gonna swap to early ir opener for m12s since it ends weird
Yeah its cancer lmao
jolly flume
we SUCK
fierce matrix
The end of the fight is like RIGHT at the 2 min end
jagged aspen
you failed
fierce matrix
I was able to get one of my two shadowbringers up and 2 of my delirium GCDs
zealous meteor
ethers and gemdraughts share a cooldown right?
clear plume
The end of the fight is like RIGHT at the 2 min end
It’s end of a 1m, not 2m
finite plank
i think
fierce matrix
Thats what I meant
clear plume
You use 2m early so you can do it before clones 1 defas go to narnia
clear plume
Ik tank makn
fierce matrix
I just woke up from raiding for 18hrs
fierce matrix
DN I think does the same thing we do
clear plume
Yeah that’s the one I used
clear plume
Is replication 1 the clones or starting mech
fierce matrix
I believe the clones
true beacon
finite plank
i still sometimes to forget to count the tethers on my side that are going to swap or not
actually
tether players are the only one who needs to swap right?...
there's no way for all 4 tethers to be on one side right?
without deaths
proven pivot
Bruh I bought the wrong ore for the EW relic, can I exchange them for tomestones or something
boreal pumice
its just poetics no big deal
vestal hollow
thin fox
i need m11 help
trim frost
Bruh I bought the wrong ore for the EW relic, can I exchange them for tomestones...
hold onto them for the next relic
boreal pumice
i like the homer sam
finite plank
avoid this, so, go more to your right of the screen shot and on the waymark
also, i do not see where the other meteor on the platform is coming in that pic
it's going to be up or down
this thing can be pretty forgetful
thin fox
oh I see what Im doing
Im standing on the right edge of the marker
I have the marker positions flipped
I need to be on the outer edges not the inner
what is this people are talking about wrt a cursed pattern
finite plank
i still sometimes to forget to count the tethers on my side that are going to sw...
i believe it's about when you have to do tether swaps? but im still not sure
finite plank
I have the marker positions flipped
i also believe you would be on the inner because the source of the meteors could be from mid and you need to watch out nvm, i dont think this is possible
thin fox
I think I know what's happening
ok idk then
these raidplans aren't explaining it properly
this at least says go inside corner of marker
finite plank
yeah, this should want you at inner at all times
thin fox
https://prnt.sc/LExlXsix2ril
so is this a case of the strat being bad or the tether not being far enough
because I am doing what thjje strat tells me to and I am dying
finite plank
im gonna need more info on that tbh
it could be the guy with the proximity tether not in position and killed you
thin fox
ok so what Im hearing from elsewhere
is that I died to cursed pattern
which is when you're on the side with the split portals and the half of the platform where you can melee the boss is being cleaved
terse zodiac
kinda nonsense to call something a cursed pattern when its a 50/50 every time the mechanic happens lol
finite plank
i thought cursed pattern would be the pattern where you'd have less space to back up for proximity
clear plume
kinda nonsense to call something a cursed pattern when its a 50/50 every time th...
25% for you to get it though
thin fox
ok I get cursed pattern now
ppl in pf were giving a kind of confusing explanation
I get what to do now
trim frost
okay man 😭😭
finite plank
there's no way for all 4 tethers to be on one side right?
i'd still like to know about this
clear plume
I don’t think it would be possible to stretch them
Middle of opposite end isn’t stretched even so
thin fox
do you mean whether the tethers can spawn there?
I imagine you just have to body language for the people on the ohter side who is going over
finite plank
as in, would it pick one entire side to all have tethers which makes the side with no tethers incredibly confusing to swap
thin fox
Ive never seen it personally
finite plank
i hope that's an impossibility unless deaths occured
clear plume
No, it always targets 2 from each platform and if one has to swap the opposite side has to swap one back
finite plank
ok, that should make it really simple as only tethered players will ever need to swap
clear plume
There isn’t 3-1 or 4-0 patterns where you need a prio for non roles to flex or anything
finite plank
i was worrying if there'd be a situation where a non tethered would need to swap which would things a lot harder without deaths
thin fox
oh yeah I wanted to ask something that I wasn't sure about with the fight
in meteor rain where tanks have to be in front for the first stack
do I need personals on that lol
dull drum
ppl in pf were giving a kind of confusing explanation
the amount of misinfo in m11 pf is fucking crazy btw
clear plume
My tanks used I think very minor mitigation on it but idr
I’m not a tank so
Press a short and see if it kills you or not
finite plank
i throw a feint for the first one sometimes, i see rep used there too
thin fox
I like having short for the actual busters
I might just throw rampart
since it lasts for 20s anyway
clear plume
But I think it just gives you a magic vuln and the busters are physical
thin fox
oh right I should just throw rep
clear plume
So it stops whoever is first 2 from being in future stacks
dull drum
trying to make sure i have enough mit for the tethers
clear plume
People aren’t using invuln there on any non pld?
trim frost
is this not an obvious point
dull drum
People aren’t using invuln there on any non pld?
no idea people didnt want to invuln m10
thin fox
I invuln the double buster in snaking
dull drum
"idk why you're using so much effort to invuln snaking buster when you can just share with me"
trim frost
same
thin fox
I usually invuln the deep impact in snaking too just cuz Im too lazy to hit mit 
trim frost
is this not an obvious point
oh nvm i understand now
dull drum
clear plume
Bro my offtank in 12 was complaining about how much mit he has to press during a 2m buster and he doesn’t use LD at all the fight
It was a real head scratcher
dull drum
see im confused because people didnt want to invuln in other content ive done too is it like
a cardinal sin
its literally part of my kit why would i not use it
lol
"oh what if you need to survive a mech fail" just dont fail then
clear plume
Bc I know I only parse on tanks normally but I think if I was gonna prog a fight I’d think of the funny hourglass button
Then the mech is already failed a tank invuln doesn’t raise a healer
dull drum
thin fox
Im so fucking bad at orbital man
I cant do this mechanic
I have to stay on tank so I can just eat the aoes
thin fox
alliance raids are too hard
have you ever done tower at paradigm's breach
red girl is harder than TOP p5
finite plank
Im so fucking bad at orbital man
focus on the 2nd set
i was told the 2nd set will always be in melee range
and it seems true
dull drum
i think i saw a yt video about this
thin fox
so I'm basically always aiming to dodge into the 2nd set
dull drum
no idea if accurate but i'll test today
comments seem pt happy though so ima assume it works
finite plank
so I'm basically always aiming to dodge into the 2nd set
yeah
thin fox
and if the 1st set is also a melee range intersection
I can just dodge into 1st and win
jolly flume
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaUi3dgxtk8
don'tn do this
finite plank
yeah
dull drum
pt sure it was pinned in the comments no
jolly flume
same concept massively easier execution idk why you'd ever want to look at two intersections and go opposite and all that bullshit
dull drum
the updated version braindead
jolly flume
idk I haven't watched it since two days ago
shrug
but 212 dodge is practically impossible to fuck up just dodge through and back immediately
thin fox
ok yeah this seems simple
I might use sprint for it too. ik you don't need it but
ping
dull drum
https://www.twitch.tv/kyoshirin/clip/ObliqueHardHeronCurseLit-0r-vzXz9PK3B2DgI
bro recorded this in gridania
😭
thin fox
kindred no buddies seems good for arena split
finite plank
I might use sprint for it too. ik you don't need it but
most likely not needed if planning to dodge into 2
might need it if dodging into 1
thin fox
I want it for safety because I'm playing with 180 ping
daring pine
is it possible
finite plank
no
daring pine
what if i just hit her really fast
dull drum
its a 10 minute fight this is ragebait
boreal pumice
dull drum
"erm actually its 9:50"
daring pine
its a 10 minute fight this is ragebait
dull drum
@thin fox at least we chill during the meteor rain part
just gotta pick up our tethers
dull drum
no
thin fox
Im too scared to 
dull drum
or a meteor
finite plank
plenty of space... no need to test it...
thin fox
its like learning that the knock up aoe can be stood on
for arena split
I dont think anyone knew that until it was time to do the race
craggy marsh
its literally part of my kit why would i not use it
I'm always looking for spots to use my invuln so tanks who don't use it are aliens to me
thin fox
invuln just rarely saves a run so
like idk if you hit the 1 in a million circumstance that a multihit stack goes on the tank when both healers die
sure
rapid whale
is this not an obvious point
u know better than to ask that
zealous meteor
proggers
trim frost
u know better than to ask that
😔yeah
loud nymph
jolly flume
12p2 got hands
shy obsidian
should I do it
true beacon
You look like a Mad Max 4 character
thin fox
why the hell is unc so freaky
thin fox
12p2 got hands
idyllic dream looks like the real ultimate relativity
true beacon
I wouldn’t be surprised if they had originally planned it and scrapped the mech basics for later
zealous meteor
i'm honestly kinda surprised that m9s traded normal mode's lp stacks/spreads for basic ass half cleaves
during the first add phase
true beacon
I mean you kinda need to make it something else
But if people get hit enough that safe spot is a fuckin’ SLIVER
rain geode
Our summoner just killed me twice in one pull 🙁
stray forge
Our summoner just killed me twice in one pull 🙁
And I’ll do it again
rain geode
And I’ll do it again
If it was on purpose at least some respect
but he apologized the first time and I doubt he noticed the second
clear plume
Idyllic is the hands down coolest mech in this game
They made it actually the entire fight and wow it lives up to it
4 minute ass mechanic
jolly flume
why are they putting ultimate mechanics in my final floor 🥀
clear plume
I wish they put this mech in fru
thin fox
is idyllic dream also executionally tight or is it mostly just a memory check
like assuming you have 0 issue remembering shit is it still hard
clear plume
You need to be very sure of where you’re going bc you get very small margins of time for movement
thin fox
so not only do you have to remember all the spots but you have to haul ass too
clear plume
And it does do a lot of damage
clear plume
And the hardest mech for pf
jolly flume
would be funny if I got to idyllic and found out double shield is ass for it and now I get to reprog the entire fight on ast
clear plume
Dooms you need to esuna
clear plume
But yeah uh
jolly flume
hey that's only like 3 deltas