not much, we did 2/2 proteans and fire ppl just make sure to stand across from blue
they stack puddles in a specific way for more consistent cone bait i guess
#endgame-lounge
jagged aspen
rapid whale
i thought it was to reduce the likelyhood fire gets hit if it's reverse
err not reverse mb
the one where u stand still and the proteans move
deep gale
M9S is 760, M10S is 765, and M11 and M12S are 770 minimum. I assume that's what you're asking(?)
boreal pumice
M9S is 760, M10S is 765, and M11 and M12S are 770 minimum. I assume that's what ...
woulnt you be able to skip ilvl requirements anyway since its a premade party?
remote gate
9s being 760 minimum is low key crazy because im in 772 and it feels pretty balanced to me
cant imagine what its like with 760 stuff
clear plume
9s being 760 minimum is low key crazy because im in 772 and it feels pretty bala...
do r6 with min ilvl sync iits great
fun add phase
remote gate
mine m6s?
zealous meteor
woulnt you be able to skip ilvl requirements anyway since its a premade party?
great way to get blacklisted
clear plume
realistically 770 is min ilvl for everything bc people will expect it
pine holly
9s being 760 minimum is low key crazy because im in 772 and it feels pretty bala...
We had an incredibly scuffed pull with 22 damage downs and she was still down to 11%.
remote gate
i believe it
deep gale
If you don't have full 770 you are making things harder for no reason.
boreal pumice
a full hq set of just crafted is like 2-3 mil not asking alot
remote gate
in the famous words of avx, just dont eat shit
pine holly
If we didnt get delayed by ddos and our off tank having a sudden case of computer death that necessitated grabbing a random dude from pf we probably would've cleared
Its a pretty lax fight I felt
remote gate
yeah 9s is chill i just need to clean up a few things myself
deadass thinking I might invul after aetherletting to have it carry to the tankbusters
boreal pumice
hopefully ppl will be able to get a few more clears now hectors made a guide
worn bluff
yeah went in with some friends last night and we cleared 0:
rain geode
9S isnt that bad yeah, Im just waiting for PF variance to be in my favor
valid solar
9s being 760 minimum is low key crazy because im in 772 and it feels pretty bala...
If you're in PF don't forget some of that is just pf being bad at their jobs
hollow jackal
woulnt you be able to skip ilvl requirements anyway since its a premade party?
Thats cool didn't know that
hollow jackal
M9S is 760, M10S is 765, and M11 and M12S are 770 minimum. I assume that's what ...
I was thanks
pine holly
The off tank we got from pf was a nice dude just kinda all over the place
rapid whale
like
remote gate
If you're in PF don't forget some of that is just pf being bad at their jobs
maybe why I kept dying to autos after aetherletting
hollow jackal
So when I roll for gear from the normal tier I just spam need on everything is that right?
rapid whale
the avg pf is a good 4-5000 dps lower than decent/good players
remote gate
like ik i sound like a broken record but really urked tf outta me to die to autos
pine holly
maybe why I kept dying to autos after aetherletting
If people fuck up then the autos start getting kinda chunky
worn bluff
mits/healing are kind of all over the place. i need to plan mine out better too
rapid whale
yea
boreal pumice
? if your going for cheapo options sure need all you like
pine holly
Its like Honey B where as a tank you are gonna have to adjust your mits when people fuck up
remote gate
If people fuck up then the autos start getting kinda chunky
fair enough her attacks get worse at every 4 stacks
wicked delta
rapid whale
So when I roll for gear from the normal tier I just spam need on everything is t...
in general crafted gear is the go to for raiding
true beacon
So when I roll for gear from the normal tier I just spam need on everything is t...
You get one token per floor per week
valid solar
maybe why I kept dying to autos after aetherletting
keep in mind 31k isnt even good on mch
hollow jackal
in general crafted gear is the go to for raiding
Ah my msq gil ran out
boreal pumice
chad bungo
pine holly
fair enough her attacks get worse at every 4 stacks
I think at 8 her tank busters become giga huge
hollow jackal
You get one token per floor per week
Im kinda confused
worn bluff
Its like Honey B where as a tank you are gonna have to adjust your mits when peo...
it's fun when tank doesn't pay attention to stacks for the TB and it's big
hollow jackal
So do or dont roll need on everything?
valid solar
now this is a wipe log so dont take the numbers at immediate face value but they should be a hell of a lot higher than this (wipe was not at burst)
true beacon
!faq normalloot
pine holly
it's fun when tank doesn't pay attention to stacks for the TB and it's big
Xenos moment
storm frostBOT
boreal pumice
do you even know what you want?
worn bluff
yeah 8 stacks is big TB. 2nd TB is normally small if no one messes up, but sometimes you get 8 stacks there
rapid whale
o i thought this tier changed so every floor gave every piece
valid solar
it's fun when tank doesn't pay attention to stacks for the TB and it's big
wiping to the tb jumpscare because tanks didnt realize she hit 8 stakcs
hollow jackal
do you even know what you want?
Everything/ Everything I dont have i guess
pine holly
If you want something from normal no reason not to roll, even in Savage outside of a static you roll need on everything
worn bluff
wiping to the tb jumpscare because tanks didnt realize she hit 8 stakcs
our clear pull i had to type it in chat in case the other tank didn't know lol
hollow jackal
So if I roll on 1 thing and don't get it can I just queue again and reroll on it?
worn bluff
it was the last pull of the night
rapid whale
gaddem
valid solar
nope
worn bluff
so i didn't want to waste it
valid solar
only one chance per week
hollow jackal
So may as well roll need on all then?
pine holly
Weirdly strict for normal mode I never did understand that
boreal pumice
thats gonna be a ultra slow gearing then since if you wanted say a chest you would need 4 chest tokens from all 4 fights then your locked out of gear for the week
pine holly
I guess to force longevity for casual players or something
hollow jackal
thats gonna be a ultra slow gearing then since if you wanted say a chest you wou...
I unfortunately dont see another choice rn
I probably wont do this savage floor rn tbf
true beacon
Just run them again
zealous meteor
normal raids: one piece of loot per week, if you don't get one, you can redo the fight to roll again
savage raids: one chance to roll per week, you can win multiple rolls or none, reclearing doesn't give you more tries
boreal pumice
honestly id just look at to make some gil buy my crafted set , ya know i wasnt already a crafter
rapid whale
I unfortunately dont see another choice rn
Crafted gear
boreal pumice
they are a broke boy reling on msq chump change
rapid whale
That should be enough aren't sets like 2mil
hollow jackal
That's fair I think it seems too much effort for now I'll queue when I catch up
pine holly
I do wish I sold some crafting materials right at the start of the patch
Could've been rich
hollow jackal
That should be enough aren't sets like 2mil
I wasn't smart when gearing gatherers throughout levelling
rapid whale
Normal mode gear tends to have weird sub stats
remote gate
I think at 8 her tank busters become giga huge
they do! at the second crowd kill the following tank busters need to be taken to the walls
rapid whale
You can buy it
hollow jackal
And other uses of gil and also am not one to want to spend
pine holly
they do! at the second crowd kill the following tank busters need to be taken to...
Or earlier if your party fucks up
rapid whale
That's a personal decision then
boreal pumice
id do the smarter play , grind math tomes , buy the crafted mats and look for a crafter that will make you the gear at a discount
hollow jackal
That's fair I think it seems too much effort for now I'll queue when I catch up
Ye I know i was just hoping there was a quick and easy way in
rapid whale
That is the quick and easy way
hollow jackal
I guess so
hollow jackal
id do the smarter play , grind math tomes , buy the crafted mats and look for a ...
How much math tomes we talking?
pine holly
I got mine cause my static made it. I blew my money on the materia instead.
hollow jackal
Oh maths the easy ones I have 2k
pine holly
Not a lot of I remember
boreal pumice
to make like a fullset is like 1800 ish
boreal pumice
pretty much
rapid whale
What job do you play?
hollow jackal
If only I leveled crafters
hollow jackal
What job do you play?
Sage typically
worn bluff
what is braindead deep aerial 
rapid whale
Gimme a sec I'll find a team craft list for you
hollow jackal
Tbf my savage experience is generally low so ill probably try start at the beginning of dt or do other savages and extremes
rapid whale
what is braindead deep aerial <:pepothink:390323777289977870>
I think? It's referring to the one where the fires go to inter card markers
hollow jackal
Gimme a sec I'll find a team craft list for you
Team craft list? Thank you
Is strategy board any good and would it be considered useful in a pf environment?
rapid whale
Good for memes
hollow jackal
Oh
true beacon
Yeah if you haven’t done much savage before some third tier stuff might be tough if you aren’t used to major triage healing
Vamp isn’t too bad for what I’ve seen
dapper zealot
Have you done the previous tiers?
hollow jackal
Yeah if you haven’t done much savage before some third tier stuff might be tough...
My most experience is probably the sword guy extreme in dt (got carried by echo)
true beacon
There’s like two of those
hollow jackal
Have you done the previous tiers?
I'll say no
hollow jackal
There’s like two of those
Oh everkeep
dapper zealot
Probably a good idea to get some more experience first
hollow jackal
Probably a good idea to get some more experience first
Thats what I was thinking i only was gonna do one due to a full blind pf if I could get gear very quick but overall im not too bothered
Kinda wanna do omega savage but pf queue times are painful for it
dapper zealot
Are you queuing for them?
hollow jackal
I just put up pf get 8 and queue in (queue may be wrong word)
I know I cant queue that stuff properly
Would people queue m1s in current times? (Pf )
tulip wraith
right now? probably not cause new tier just came out
hollow jackal
Thought so
tulip wraith
there's probably some that would be down but majority are focused on the new
rapid whale
old savage gear is weaker than current crafted gear
hollow jackal
Im not doing it for the gear
hollow jackal
Ive given up on that ill just get it eventually
rapid whale
ya
daring pine
gay little hyur man is back at it
rapid whale
Team craft list? Thank you
this will tell u all the mats u need for a full crafted set
says its 1360 mathematics
dapper zealot
managed to end the day as top 20 pct
Back to the pf mines you go
hollow jackal
Thank you
daring pine
managed to end the day as top 20 pct
go outside buddy
rapid whale
no u
hollow jackal
So whys the raid tier (M)?
hollow jackal
Ah cool thanks
tulip wraith
and the game labeled it m1-4 as well
zealous meteor
the in-game names are light-heavyweight M1-M4, cruiserweight M1-M4, heavyweight M1-M4
hollow jackal
Whats all of them? Alexander A Omega O? then whats next?
tulip wraith
a o e p m
hollow jackal
Eden theres no point me guessing P tbf I haven't even done half the normals
tulip wraith
pandaemonium
hollow jackal
Oh i have heard that cool
boreal pumice
neat m12 mount comes with a cat
dapper zealot
The rizz mobile
hollow jackal
So i do / used to do a lot of old content mine in pf is it worth tryna figure out the strategy board stuff?
rapid whale
i wouldnt say so
hollow jackal
Fair is it something you can have up in fights or do people just look at it before going in? I dont know exactly how the feature works
tulip wraith
you can have it up but most people will just have a raid plan up on a second monitor
hollow jackal
Is that an exterior thing?
tulip wraith
its just a website yeah
its what the strategy board feature is but a website and came out before
hollow jackal
Ah and im guessing people use it over the board as they can just and do throw it over to the over monitor
tulip wraith
pretty much
worn bluff
how is cutback blaze baited? is it like a line across his sides but angled at a random player or something
the thing that's supposed to leave a small sliver
mortal flower
and A for arcadion was already taken
You know what wasn't?
aRcadion
Fucking hell
true beacon
If they hadn’t used m for matches it would’ve been that
mortal flower
It should've been R
dapper zealot
I would love to see the next series be R :)
mortal flower
I would love to see the next series be R :)
it does make me wonder if they do name them based on the community given names
proper cave
Still think it’s funny how they pushed C last time but everyone went with P
clear plume
~~it does make me wonder if they do name them based on the community given names...
then theyd have match consistent between lanuages, but they dont
zealous meteor
i still think they should've just kept the numbers going instead of resetting each tier
"but it's less accurate to wrestling" we can be a little less accurate if it makes it less confusing
dancing green should've been M5 in game
mortal flower
I think expecting them to count up is stupid
dapper zealot
I wouldn't be able to tell you which Eden raid is which number
proper cave
Pandaemonium circles kept their numbering consistent and that went ignored lol
mortal flower
In any tier but bahamut
Deltascape is a new set of tests
Alexander is each induvidual zone/part
Pande was divided into subsections/wards
zealous meteor
I think expecting them to count up is stupid
i think them not counting up, when the community always numbers them sequentially, is silly on SE's part
either have the numbers count up or don't have numbers at all
mortal flower
i think them *not* counting up, when the community *always* numbers them sequent...
Now I think that's stupid
zealous meteor
either pull a pandae or pull an alex/eden
don't do this "M1-M4 three times" thing 
coral saffron
So I want to try Savage raiding this time around (hardest content I've done up to now is Extreme/Unreal) and was wondering what's the quickest way to gear up for it
valid solar
So I want to try Savage raiding this time around (hardest content I've done up t...
Buy crafted
true beacon
Do you have Gil
wicked delta
buy crafted gear if possible
rain geode
I knew pf would be bad but I dont know it would bad y'know
valid solar
You don't need every piece since some are replaced with tome
wicked delta
should be like 2-3 mil for a full set
random needle
I knew pf would be bad but I dont *know* it would bad y'know
You never realize how bad it truly is until you're properly in it
coral saffron
Buy crafted
Figured - I have a lot of gil sitting around and I'm in the middle of maxing out my crafting jobs, so I'll go ahead and do that
valid solar
I knew pf would be bad but I dont *know* it would bad y'know
Have you been going without break since the party we were in?
rain geode
no comment
valid solar
coral saffron
Also, how important are food and pots?
valid solar
True pf demon
random needle
Food is absolutely mandatory yeah, just buy the caramel popcorn off the market board if you don't have any
wicked delta
pots you can kinda save until you feel like you can comfortably get to enrage
rain geode
I did get one party that maybe could have cleared but we got ddos Im taking a break now
random needle
Pots are extremely helpful when you're almost ready to clear, especially if you're seeing enrage, but they become less mandatory over time
mortal flower
- Use food
- Maybe have a backup/cheap food until you're totally sure to clear
- Don't pot every run unless you're rich as fuck
Food is more HP
And stats for dps
So not having food is a throw
But having the peak/BIS food, is dubious
coral saffron
So "food is a must and pots are kind of a luxury at the Savage level" is what I'm taking away from this
rain geode
no pots are a must you just dont use them every run
wicked delta
yeah
coral saffron
Right
wicked delta
food is just bigger prio to get
mortal flower
Use food, but don't feel obligated to use the 'best' food.
I'm the prog demon on your shoulder.
Best food for only the best parties
wicked delta
bc you will use it for every instance you go in
man fuck that lol
if you can buy the best food then why not
it doesnt matter that much
rain geode
I was gonna say food functionally isnt as expesnive
dapper zealot
Pots are extremely helpful when you're almost ready to clear, especially if you'...
This would have been nice to know when I was progging ex3 a while ago
wicked delta
"best food for best parties" as if ppl who are worse at the game dont need more help generally speaking lol
rain geode
even tho I felt like I was gonna pass out I should have made myself prog more yesterday
coral saffron
I've got alchemist and chef nearly to 100 - how expensive can crafting raid consumables be? 
dapper zealot
The bigger concern is actually being able to craft them
mortal flower
^
random needle
And that doesn't just take the experience, it also takes materials and gear
wicked delta
you'd need current crafted bis for the food iirc
mortal flower
Crafting them is... the hard part. Getting the mats? Ehhh
proper cave
Might take tome or scrip mats but otherwise shouldn’t be too bad if your gear is up to date
wicked delta
if you dont have that then its pretty monkas
mortal flower
Crafting it needs expensive as fuck gear, melds, food, etc
And then a kick butt rotation
Then you can sell them for moni
dapper zealot
And then a kick butt rotation
Laughs in raphael
mortal flower
Alot of people say they'll grind out crafters to be the big momey maker
They get them to 100 and then learn why it's a money maker
wicked delta
thanks for the info bro
mortal flower
Cuz that shit sucks
dapper zealot
thanks for the info bro
You're welcome
jagged aspen
eh the gear and melds isnt the worst. especially if youre not trying to pentameld on a big patch
but spending 2 hours pressing macro to make precrafts, thats where it gets really sad
round burrow
This totally ain't cid, thats Marques
dapper zealot
They get them to 100 and then learn why it's a money maker
I made the same plus more in 3 weeks then I did for the whole of 7.3
wicked delta
bapple made a pentamelded set for me for christmas
i thanked the lord above
bc the idea of crafting all that shit was zzzzzzzzzzzzz
mortal flower
^
dapper zealot
Idm crafting
mortal flower
"Oh, pfft, why doesn't everyone just level this shit, that was eas-"
"Oh"
"Fuck"
"Crap"
"Nah I'm good"
dapper zealot
Unless I don't have macro chain then fuck that
random needle
I might try for it again in 8.x, I didn't realize what it entailed this time around and I wasn't ready
dapper zealot
Should be all entirely need stuff so no need to prep anything
jagged aspen
correction, its backloaded af. its quite easy until split platforms
and then its prog with a hard body check
mortal flower
DoH is a job that demands money to speed up leveling.
Then you learn it's a job that demands money to make money
And then demands money to keep relevant.
coral saffron
"Spend money to make money" - just like real life
rain geode
If anything I am really glad I went with a bit of a none-standard set that has a bit more piety
loud swift
Holy
there was a ddos during out mistwake run and our tank never came back
so we just 3 manned the dungeon
wicked delta
went to get the milk
loud swift
maintaking as a dps was very sketch but the white mage made it work
wicked delta
tbh sometimes if i get dcd mid dungeon i just go over to eu and never come back
loud swift
thankfully i had arcane crest and feint always come off cd when tank busters happened
wicked delta
my toxic trait 😭
random needle
there was a ddos during out mistwake run and our tank never came back
I had a healer that never came back to Sastasha Hard last night and we ended up disbanding after a replacement didn't show up
loud swift
well a healer is infinitely more important than a tank in a dungeon tbf
random needle
I got Hero's Gauntlet when I requeued, so it kinda worked out
Especially in Lv50 content when you have nonexistent utility
rain geode
well a healer is infinitely more important than a tank in a dungeon tbf
I dont know if I would go that far
loud swift
no i stand by my point
rain geode
Since tanks have so much healing you dont really need a healer
loud swift
some tanks sure
dapper zealot
Healer strike flashback
rain geode
I bet even DRK could do a dungeon nowadays without a healer
loud swift
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
maybe after every single pull you wait for your cds to refresh
scarlet lintel
Surely once I get to m11s pf will be more consistent since all the inconsistent players will be stuck in m10s still
That’s how it works right
rain geode
maybe after every single pull you wait for your cds to refresh
I think your heavily underestimating how much healing tanks actually have when they press their buttons
loud swift
dark knight has 3 healing buttons and one of them is on their 1 2 3
random needle
The main issue is that it was a Lv50 dungeon, so everyone has bugger all buttons
tired egret
The main issue is that it was a Lv50 dungeon, so everyone has bugger all buttons
unless you're ninja
random needle
Hell, if it was Lv60 or something, I was on red Mage, I could have been a Vercure bot. But it's 50, so there's just nothing there
rain geode
The main issue is that it was a Lv50 dungeon, so everyone has bugger all buttons
that is true in early dungeons before anyone has any buttons it is a problem
dull drum
pt sure the only tank that can reliably do one tank 3 dps without much effort is warrior
the rest are sketch
not saying impossible but yeah
loud swift
okay technically you can use living dead too but thats only 4 buttons
sly basin
green
loud swift
i like green
rain geode
not saying impossible but yeah
its harder but GNB and PLD can certainly still do it
WAR its arguably easier if you dont have a healer lmao
jagged aspen
how does healers in bubble work? they take tank towers?
or is it just proximity after the tower
rain geode
Anyone have magic powers to fill another human with motivation?
clear plume
paying them normally does the trick
rain geode
with no ddos?
rain geode
paying them normally does the trick
unfortunatly I cant pay myself lmao
wicked delta
m9s done in 90 minutes <a:AH_pepelightsaber:749640746553966683>
Lord give me this kind of luck
visual geyser
fight is pretty easy if people dont eat dds
olive hearth
I lb'd the towers on screech 2 for the sake of prog, definitely not good but it was funny
jagged aspen
m9s done in 90 minutes <a:AH_pepelightsaber:749640746553966683>
well hector guide is out pf is saved
wait nvm he didnt do static pizza 💀
alpine plover
well hector guide is out pf is saved
mb
but well it's not hard lmao
the chained bats are a bit of impossible content
but besides that 
jagged aspen
turn camera up and walk close to boss, easy mech 😄
zealous meteor
ISNT ONE LINDWURM ENOUGH
alpine plover
paladin is actually
pretty goated
100% uptime
if you keep holy spirit for when you gotta go out
boreal pumice
get outta here themis
random needle
Maybe its because I'm not actually in it, but the chained bats surely cannot be that hard
rain geode
Joins enrage prog party, immediate wipe vamp stomp.
rapid whale
its more annoying than anything
rain geode
give party the benefit of the doubt dumb things happen
second pull person puts their aetherletting puddle in the wrong spot
rapid whale
such is life in pf
random needle
Tell them your goldfish is drowning and dip /hj
rain geode
Thankfully someone else read the writing on the wall and dipped so I didnt even need to come up with an excuse
random needle
You now know a fraction of my pain when I joined DSR p6 parties that could not reliably see past Sanctity
alpine plover
its more annoying than anything
^
they don't hit hard it's just that it's pretty tight
you get the DD mark of shame tho
loud nymph
Tell them your goldfish is drowning and dip /hj
"gotta go, Grandma is on fire"
random needle
"Not now, mother! It's just the northern lights!"
rain geode
Maybe im not actually strong enough for PF lmao
loud nymph
nah you just gotta hit them with the "I don't respect this group enough to come up with a fake reason why I have to leave"
random needle
Positive mental attitude
rain geode
nah you just gotta hit them with the "I don't respect this group enough to come ...
based
warped gate
gotta go my computer is left on at home
rain geode
"oh noooo Im getting DDOS'd dont wait for me to get back"
random needle
"my cat just got into the circuit breaker"
rain geode
well healer and a melee and Im back in it
visual geyser
the timing on the last mech of m9 is weirder than i thought it be
if i move to early into the purple i got damage downs 😡
vestal hollow
the timing on the last mech of m9 is weirder than i thought it be
the bats? yeah it is
the snapshot feels really weird
i dont like it at all lol
visual geyser
its like arkvield
visual knot
I think our OT was trying to do that uptime stomp thing in the Yuki video guide.
visual geyser
every aoe in the game lets you move into it the second they go off but this one doesnt
cringe
visual knot
Problem is it don't work if they aren't fast
rain geode
You actually have to time it yeah.
visual knot
Also pf views it as griefing.
random needle
every aoe in the game lets you move into it the second they go off but this one ...
Oh weird, you have to wait for the cleaves to disappear on that part before it's safe to move? Or are you talking about the AOEs the bats make?
visual knot
You actually have to time it yeah.
Im sure pf will eventually settle on their uptime strats after a few days or weeks.
...unless it becomes like revelation cheese.
alpine plover
visual geyser
Oh weird, you have to wait for the cleaves to disappear on that part before it's...
I mean I was thinking you just dodge into what was purple but it’s gave me damage downs
I’ll have to see a video
visual geyser
Yall say this every time and pf finds a way
visual knot
pf isnt clearing m11
Give em time.
visual knot
Its only day 2.
People used to also say fru is impossible in pf. And top.
Then it became possible.
rain geode
I think were already over the hump of people who can clear M9S
visual knot
Reclear fru though is actually impossible in pf.
thin fox
also pf literally could not do TOP that's why we have AM required now
visual geyser
thin fox
sinful brook
okay technically you can use living dead too but thats only 4 buttons
@kind elm drk bad no sustain take a shot
thin fox
like the people who said TOP in pf would be impossible were right
visual knot
like the people who said TOP in pf would be impossible were right
Only cause pf don't wanna learn flexing in P5
Monitors doesn't even need AM's. Its just a conga.
sinful brook
maybe after every single pull you wait for your cds to refresh
https://www.fflogs.com/zone/rankings/57?metric=speed
this isn't true it all lol if you just look at team speed by dungeon there's some runs of drk's cracking top 10 in clear speed and its 1 tank 3 dps
there's examples of every single tank doing this
and even standard comps
loud swift
color me suprised
vestal hollow
you dont need self healing if you kill things before they can do anything
loud swift
but also those people are... the best of the best
vestal hollow
that
sinful brook
they probably aren't
vestal hollow
doesnt matter
loud swift
or atleast have the knowledge going in
thin fox
if we're talking about the average player, the average warrior doesnt even hit bloodwhetting
visual geyser
Stop posting that fuck ass emote 😭
visual geyser
I just knew you had another
random needle
I love being a caster and watching melees kill each other with biblical greed
jaunty pulsar
they've decided to go hard at USA players while we chill in EU without any DDOS? <.<
visual geyser
no one cares about EU enough to make peopel there miserable
jaunty pulsar
lmao
loud swift
they said hecc u to the na raiders in specific
sinful brook
or atleast have the knowledge going in
i don't really think it requires as much knowledge as you think it does
loud swift
i guess i just suck at living with dark knight i guess idk
or maybe underestimate myself
i didnt even know there was a dungeon speedclear website lol
i understand the point of kill faster=less damage to you
my case where we didn't have a tank so we only had 3 people i would've taken a healer over a tank
sinful brook
its not specifically a dungeon speedclear site
fflogs is a site that tracks the combat data uploaded by other people
dungeons happen to also be included
though most people look at it for raids
loud swift
oh
sinful brook
!faq fflogs
storm frostBOT
dull drum
if we're talking about the average player, the average warrior doesnt even hit b...
or holm
thin fox
@dull drum now you can clear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR3wuG8VQ0o
is anyone on NA rn I need elp transferring items to alt
rain geode
Im on NA but Im busy subjecting myself to PF
thin fox
slludge
low hearth
snaking is way too hard bruh
hot rose
<@324701710541127690> now you can clear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR3wuG8V...
He dun fcked up pf with that terrible aetherletting strat
we’re doomed
hot rose
Idk which pfs you’ve been to but
I’ve been in two pfs and static aether letting is better
thin fox
he only shows the old version of aetherletting to explain how the mech works
and then hes like "ok heres static aetherletting it solves all the dodges for you"
random needle
Yea
thin fox
hector will often do this where he'll show some whatever thing just to make it super clear exactly how the mech works
jolly flume
the aetherletting strat where you rotate isn't too bad in the first place, you never have to eyeball dodges lol
low hearth
they gotta nerf firesnaking bruh
jolly flume
but obv not moving at all is a bit better
low hearth
why mfs not baiting 😭
thin fox
the main problem with the original version is that people would just move weirdly and kill each other with the marker
how are you enjoying the tier chiyochan
random needle
Third floor curse still not broken?
jolly flume
not because the fight is bad but because of the part where he dashes around like 10 fucking weapons
I don't have enough lightspeed charges for that
thin fox
jolly flume
11 is still definitely much more of a "standard" ff fight than 10 is though
so I guess the formula still holds
thin fox
split arena phase looks cool at least
jolly flume
I'm still mostly blind on 12 but I think we should be there by friday
I only saw some p1 stuff
jolly flume
p2 arena 
p2 bgm 
dull drum
<@324701710541127690> now you can clear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR3wuG8V...
i cleared yday
ln we got through m9 and started m10 with 30 mins of raid time left, ended on m10 snaking
undone tide
p2 arena <:GladgePlant:1255156932075982869> p2 bgm <:SadgePlant:1254294071305044...
hating the p2 bgm is crazy
low hearth
undone tide
you actually have zero taste
dull drum
p2 arena <:GladgePlant:1255156932075982869> p2 bgm <:SadgePlant:1254294071305044...
dude you are so based
i agree
m12 is awful music
jolly flume
motifslop
dull drum
🥀
loud nymph
it's not as bad as p12sp2 music at least
undone tide
fight got hands
loud nymph
which was so fucking forgettable I literally can't even remember it beyond I guess there was some chanting
visual geyser
Ivaliceslop ost
random needle
Just make a metal version of Athena, The Tireless One or something
loud nymph
Just make a metal version of Athena, The Tireless One or something
husky by the geek already did that btw
alpine plover
ok so i just saw i had 19 parse but 96% uptime
which means i ate SO many damage down snacks
from the bats
still cleared tho
apparentely the debuffs for which one you get
is not proximity
whichever you get it's random
for m10s
gg
robust shoal
It's proximity but random
undone tide
apparentely the debuffs for which one you get
its proximity based but it will either be far or near
robust shoal
Like the blue guy gives either the four closest people blue or the four farthest people blue
robust shoal
Otherwise you couldn't do the last mech reliably
But if you stand under your boss, you always get your light parties all the same color
robust shoal
https://youtu.be/vIFfJm_mtoA
Why are we not doing this for red jumps on double ...
covers the arena in garbage
scarlet lintel
i love this fight ubt i want to move on already pls pf 
kind elm
p2 arena <:GladgePlant:1255156932075982869> p2 bgm <:SadgePlant:1254294071305044...
p2 arena 
p2 bgm 
clear plume
https://youtu.be/vIFfJm_mtoA
Why are we not doing this for red jumps on double ...
many teams are?
echo ibex
many teams are?
Not EU apparently
clear plume
covers the arena in garbage
my group did it just side by side in a corner
echo ibex
Fight gonna have so many ways of solving itself gonna be a while until something sets up
Aka until hector does it's video
thin fox
p2 theme is motifslop but motifslop is good
alpine plover
the legendary yoyo back in ff
thin fox
can someone elp me transfer items from main to alt
i need to send pots/materia to my alt
echo ibex
the legendary yoyo back in ff
thin fox
wicked delta
lets do this together bro
thin fox
bro... lets do this together bro...
thin fox
this is deep blue / red hot for me
tawdry delta
same as last tier
pallid gale
damn M11S absolutely slaps compared to M10S
cant speak for melees but feel like it's less uptime hell and all around more directly engaging
valid solar
anyone have the raidplan for m10s
boreal pumice
anyone have the raidplan for m10s
simple plan?
ember quartz
oops wrong channel
pallid gale
anyone have the raidplan for m10s
https://raidplan.io/plan/syjvfhacdxz7awet
also links to the ones of the other fights
stray forge
am nervous about my first savage later 
scarlet lintel
finally done with m10s, aobut 9 hours, not too bad i think?
stray forge
9 hours in a row is crazy. The only time I did that I wanted to quit the game forever by the end
valid solar
nice, im about to start m10
valid solar
m9s took me 2 and a half hours of prog, thats not too bad for pf I think
I did prog lie a little though
vestal hollow
I did prog lie a little though
i prog lied to hell in a cell because what tanks need to do is very static
so im just like
bedge
worn bluff
i prog lied to hell in a cell because what tanks need to do is very static
stand in the hole
or
stand in the hole
vestal hollow
literally
scarlet lintel
i prog lied a liiitle bit for arena split bc i couldnt deal with arena split parties being watersnake parties
vestal hollow
i hit da buttonge
i stand in da hole
i go stand in the other hole after mt stands in their hole
worn bluff
watch other people run around based on cast bar
stray forge
im about to prog lie bc everyone in the group prog lied
vestal hollow
da fuck they doin over there
prog lying is fine because you're probably better than everyone else
worn bluff
prog lying in m9 is funny because most people at a later prog point probably don't have many pulls of the fight anyways
i cleared and i still basically feel fresh
vestal hollow
i cleared and i still basically feel fresh
i have like 20 pulls and it doesnt feel that bad
i basically saw enrage on pull 10
going in with like 6/8 tonight, speed progging a few and we should clear
worn bluff
yeah i have like 25 pulls or something
vestal hollow
mind you
worn bluff
i think it's easier than M1S
vestal hollow
i like the fight
vestal hollow
i think it's easier than M1S
unironically the hardest mechanic for me is undead deathmatch
fucking
snapshots
dogshit
worn bluff
the proteans?
vestal hollow
the thing where ur chained to the bat yeah
worn bluff
the proteans in the beginning of FRU are easier
vestal hollow
it's visually overwhelming
for me
i also cant see the fucking donut or pb indicator
i might just be bad
also
something i found really odd is how coffinmaker is easier in savage than normal
normal has spreads and stacks
shocked savage didnt have them too
worn bluff
classic FF difficulty modifier
"now you have to look at the side instead of the back!"
ok
kind elm
pog
low hearth
😭
rain geode
and a lot later then I would have liked but
thin fox
watching a pov of m12 p2
its so funny that metem the whole time is just like wtf is going on bro
this shit got no logic to it
rain geode
No way it doesnt drop before locking in but seeing a purp is kinda nice
It really is just you hit your buttons and youll almost certainly get a blue
boreal pumice
im not crazy right but the low rider mount in the cutscene for the tyrant was black with flames right
kind elm
no
dull drum
no
kind elm
it was bright fuckin orange
boreal pumice
saw the mount in oc and was like was it this colour
boreal pumice
leave kikio alone
low hearth
mfs would rather sit and wipe the raid instead of losing a gcd
jolly flume
mfs would rather sit and wipe the raid instead of losing a gcd
cmon bro this cannot be a surprise 😭
boreal pumice
mnk meanwhile is just like alright spam chi button
low hearth
Snaking is impossible bro
And then you get to deep aerial and someone hits the bubble with blue tether
boreal pumice
why do you think sam players are somehow the most greedy
low hearth
😭
boreal pumice
long live the king
true beacon
what is this superchain relativity shit bruh
Yeahhhh that looks fun
worn bluff
i'm going to revive the old TN debate
the cone thing after watersnaking with spread/stack... i feel like that should be relative and not TN but that's just me
low hearth
True north making it easier bro
worn bluff
toxic friends has the first wave based on relative tho
why second one TN
just because of starting spot ig?
boreal pumice
shy obsidian
leave kikio alone
👁️ 👁️
thin fox
ddos again
terse zodiac
tank tower just doesn't even make sense
thin fox
i think ppl just assumed it did tank damage
terse zodiac
probably
jolly flume
my war said
finite plank
this is stack damage right?
boreal pumice
is your war xenos
rapid whale
LMAO
timber stratus
yeah the fetter mechanics do that a lot
worn bluff
punishment for playing WAR
finite plank
this is stack damage right?
if someone's free to decode whether this was a tank or stack damage, feel free to do so, i believe this should be stack damage as it should be impossible for it to be tank as the tanks swapped properly i believe for .... snaking 2? i forgot what it's called but last major mechanic before clock spreads
wicked delta
Mb
finite plank
i once told a tank in holm to use mits, they proceeded to call me a slur and left so i reported them
in crystal
boreal pumice
thesee people are not real
well go on tell us what happend
worn bluff
mb
limpid edge
healer will save em!
boreal pumice
chiyo is the healer
wicked delta
Healer will save em!
low hearth
What a drag !
trim frost
#usualsuspects
boreal pumice
whm
scarlet lintel
I liked tank tower bc it was easy but I don’t like not being able to primal rend
But I kept getting frustrated at people fucking up the mechanic
Healer tower makes more sense anyway
And if I do the mechanic that’s one less person fucking up cause it’s literally easy I don’t understand what the problem is
Made some progress in m11s and now my party won’t fill. Where are the gamers Q.Q
clear plume
why would healer tower make more sense, tower bleed hurts non tanks hard
scarlet lintel
I haven’t seen it hurt more than the raidwide
clear plume
yeah thats why they dont like taking both
scarlet lintel
I don’t think you get hit by anything else when ur in jail
Unless I’m just that tanky
clear plume
the healers are spamming aoe heals so tanks dont really notice yeah
scarlet lintel
Still I imagine it’s easier to sit there and spam heal than it is to run around and do a mech that’s mostly eyes and heal at the same time
clear plume
easier to just do the static tethers thing
scarlet lintel
Every time I see “braindead tethers” people mess it up just as much anyway
“First tether went the wrong way. tether didn’t stretch enough. Etc”
worn bluff
i was on the edge of one of the line things at the beginning of M10S and then someone moved last second
murder
limpid edge
the bj bros are gnarly
random needle
"Bet you've never seen anything this gnarly!"
dapper zealot
worn bluff
"Bet you've never seen anything *this* gnarly!"
craggy marsh
I wanted to say something but it would probably get me bapped again so I shall not
rain geode
Hey, Save some fun for me
boreal pumice
I wanted to say something but it would probably get me bapped again so I shall n...
nah you cook king
limpid edge
mountain fire still the best tankbuster of DT
prob best tankbuster of all time but i havent experienced the older fights synced
low hearth
Oh no, they've been felled with a vengeance! 😲
zealous meteor
do i hate my friends enough for this
rain geode
# Oh no, they've been felled with a vengeance! 😲
I seem to hear that one a lot
rain geode
do i hate my friends enough for this
If someone pulled that in one of my lobbies Id be at their throat like a rabid dog
versed kayak
do i hate my friends enough for this
it's a shame text bubbles don't appear in combat because this one is extra funny with those
flat bane
it's a shame text bubbles don't appear in combat because this one is extra funny...
I think they mentioned they might add the functionality depending on how it goes?
but yeah problem would be that people are gonna abuse it for mechs
versed kayak
yee, I doubt they'll add it
flat bane
I do feel like it'd be nice if they at least just enabled it for normal content
and disabled it in extreme and above
rain geode
huh
sleek moon
what if they are into that
jagged aspen
13 hours of long live the king, my head D:
sleek moon
cn was technically in this world race since they are synced with global now
first cn group had the #8 clear
shy obsidian
ngl i'm kinda hesitant to join more prog parties for Vamp because I planned to clear it with my static and I'm worried about disappointing the public party finder peeps if I leave just before we clear
shy obsidian
but i've only seen up to hell in a cell... should I uhhh do more public parties
sleek moon
isnt that like
2 mechanics away from the end
unless you're gonna join parties to practice earlier phases it's probably not a good idea to join more parties
zealous meteor
i think doing this on SCH might just be worse than doing it on BLM
unrelated, i'm looking for a new friend group /s
worn bluff
ngl i'm kinda hesitant to join more prog parties for Vamp because I planned to c...
unplug your router if you get close to kill and they’ll think it was ddos
low hearth
yo @jagged aspen !
wtf does this mean
i got a mean ass damage down from something bruh
trim frost
based wtfdig creator
jagged aspen
wtf does this mean
supposedly if you stack just right, it leaves a narrow safe space in the middle if you get "reverse oppa whatever"
low hearth
during arena split?
low hearth
o
finally got to arena split after 6 hours
i was lowkey the one griefing al lthose parties
👉🏿 
raw sand
remote gate
whole estuary
B is not in B tier smh
jagged aspen
i thought ppl liked m5
jolly flume
5 is a great first floor tbh
craggy marsh
Honestly all the first floors were great this time around
zealous meteor
M5S: S tier (it's the only savage i even loaded into)
everything else: F tier (i never touched them)
rain geode
M5S is probably my favorite fight ive completed so far
tulip wraith
vapid path
where are the healers in 9s
woven tundra
<:namazuconcern:685268305275256852>
theyre right
vapid path
we just want to clear tonight rip
woven tundra
where are the healers in 9s
on 10s
trim frost
where are the healers in 9s
shitting they pants because they forget to heal ss2
vapid path
<a:yippe:1277647465197076512>
congrats
woven tundra
i havent done it but dancing green in C tier 
vapid path
but missing our healers today
woven tundra
not doing m5s is the biggest mark against my ffxiv career
but i had crazy deadlines
gg
rain geode
where are the healers in 9s
This healer finished it earlier
I think I like healer
but I also think I hate healer
low hearth
The flames are spreading! At this rate, the challenger will be trapped!
dapper zealot
<:GIGACOOKED:1402550527186702366> 👉🏿 🫧
low hearth
olive warren
Bioblaster
boreal pumice
They really hate dots
dense oxide
Who up casting Bioblaster on single target rn
low hearth
<:LunaGalaxyBrain:662985567234949191> Bioblaster
where u see this
craggy marsh
Who up casting Bioblaster on single target rn
shoutout to patch trailers that show boss fights where for some reason one of the people is using aoe
the MCH that uses bioblaster on ruby weapon in the 5.2 trailer lives rent free in my head
true beacon
Because healing is fun
indigo raven
has any party tested whether m9s light party towers can be solo soaked by tank invulns? or does each light party need to be chained to a bat?
rain geode
I havnt directly tested but when I rezzed people it seems to still connect them to one of the bats at random unless Im misremembering
indigo raven
thats if they're dead before the towers?
interesting well good to know i'll definitely test more when my group starts later
inner apex
I havnt directly tested but when I rezzed people it seems to still connect them ...
When I've died and been rezzed during that mechanic, I get chained back to the bat I was connected to before
Granted I'm the only one being rezzed so it might be different with multiple people down
rain geode
For sure test some more Im going of vague recollections Im pretty sure I rezzed people who didnt take a tower and died to the mechanic before and they got tether
inner apex
The only thing I can definitely say is that you get reconnected to a bat if you die and get a rez during the mechanic
torn kindle
valid solar
nice
torn kindle
Uhh, I think this was probably 80-ish pulls? I wasn’t keeping count
I think 5 or 6 parties total, counting one that was a bit of a trap
I can give a more accurate number once tomestone updates
Though I think one party got missed due to no one in it using tomestone
valid solar
I bought a fantasia but I cant actually go use it because if I leave aether now I will not be able to get back on
torn kindle
valid solar
torn kindle
Yeah 90% sure this is missing a party
valid solar
if you hit that filter icon button in the top right itll tell you the number of pulls and the amount of time spent in instance
rain geode
I think 5 or 6 parties total, counting one that was a bit of a trap
Man I'm Keeping track of how many parties it took makes me scared to check how many parties M9S took me
valid solar
Which one at the top? Never really used tomestone
that one under the activity tab
this is mine for vamp
torn kindle
I’m not seeing this, is this in the activity tab or elsewhere?
valid solar
activity
torn kindle
Why is my brain grey parsing rn
Can you do a bigger screenshot for where it is
Might be a mobile tablet UI fuckery thing
rain geode
If Tomestone is to be believed I chewed through 16 parties for my M9S clear
Also this graph kinda hurts me emotionally
rain geode
you shouldnt have kept going after the party of doom we were in
Oh no I left that party
I just stepped into another party of doom
and into another
and into...
trim frost
i hate melees bro
valid solar
Oh no I left that party
yeah thats what I meant you shouldve taken a break
nice camera angle
trim frost
yw
rain geode
yeah thats what I meant you shouldve taken a break
Break are for the weak
I saw as I did end up taking a break
rain geode
also tbf after that party of doom you were in with me I got a lot more aggressive with just leaving parties I didnt think could clear
rain geode
Should have continued day 1
Yeah Im still extra tilted about the ddos I easily would have cleared day 1 if not for that
torn kindle
Sadistic adds was the main wall for my prog
rain geode
I started holding Serphism specifically for Screech 2
tulip wraith
day 1 my co healer and I just would keep forgetting the raid wides and die to those 
torn kindle
Water snaking and arena split are definitely walls that need good execution
Otherwise you cover up safe spots and wipe to one thing or another
amber fable
So more personal responsibility
torn kindle
Yeah I’d say so, though I’m a bit of a casual in terms of savage stuff AKA never cleared a tier
shy obsidian
JUST TRY AND GUESS WHICH TEAM THE FLAMES WENT FOR DURING THE LATE STAGES
amber fable
Yeah I’d say so, though I’m a bit of a casual in terms of savage stuff AKA never...
Brother you're already ahead of curve
shy obsidian
WHY DON'T THEY GO FOR THE TEAM THAT IS ABOUT TO CLAIM AN A-RANK AND IS 100-ISH AWAY FROM VICTORY AAAA
rain geode
Im gonna clear this tier
amber fable
You got it
shy obsidian
ngl for some reason I'm terrible at the Coffinmaker and idk why
shy obsidian
and yet I'm still blind for some reason
torn kindle
Oh that sounds evil
shy obsidian
sooooooooooooo
i wanna do the pandaemonium raids for FASHION
how much do I need to learn for em
torn kindle
I think for Asphodelos you can skip basically everything with full DPS or 1 healer 7 DPS
The rest need proper parties and usually learn the first third/half of the fight
P8S for example needs you to learn animals 1 and High Concept 1
shy obsidian
what about Pandaemonium and Themis
torn kindle
Not sure, haven’t gone back to do those myself
random needle
My understanding is that p11s was already relatively straightforward on content, but p10 definitely has a lot going on
torn kindle
You’ll probably kill before Harrowing Hell, but even then you’re learning a lot and dealing with strict body checks
So you can’t drag corpses through
shy obsidian
i only really needed tops (and maybe pants) anyways lol
so I'll probably look into Themis
rain geode
I also need a top
rapid whale
share the code
torn kindle
I’m on console so here’s a site that has it https://ffxivstrats.io/fight/jokes
rapid whale
Also this graph kinda hurts me emotionally
tiny steeple
hi. does anyone know what are pot windows for m9s?
rain geode
https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-movie-james-cameron-western-gif-17538858
yeah... well see how M10S goes
shy obsidian
ngl I keep losing track of where the flails are so whenever my time with the doornail is done I just go straight back to hitting Vamp 😭
that part has so much going on that I can't process anything but the doornail and Vamp...
rapid whale
hi. does anyone know what are pot windows for m9s?
im p sure opti is 1 430 9, hold 8mins 2 until 9 send 1s
will pf ever do that, shrug
rain geode
My clear only the supports sent pots
and thank good I did because uh
enrage is 10:05
shy obsidian
dang you REALLY wanted to stay with her until the end
lean ginkgo
m10s in pf is absolute hell
low hearth
only the people on this side need to dodge weird?
torn kindle
Huh
low hearth
other people do it like normal?
torn kindle
Yeah just those two need to move for reverse
rain geode
Maybe one of these days I should actually put on a title
valid solar
I've been running special advisor for like 2 years now
stray forge
wait what does flame puppy mean
low hearth
god these dumb ass melees greeding spreads
low hearth
wait what does flame puppy mean
pvp title bro
stray forge
ok
rain geode
I actually dont even know where you change your title
stray forge
profile tab in character sheet
teensy piece of paper looking thing next to your weapon
u should put on flame puppy to show everyone you do pvp
valid solar
rain geode
alright put a title on for the first time since I started playing
valid solar
rain geode
nice
random needle
I'm too embarrassed of myself to keep a Legend title on consistently, so I usually just stick with The Final Witness
rain geode
Man I dont know if I like having a title on
dapper zealot
mine's writer of histories