endgame-lounge

[thin fox]

I haven't even cleared Necron yet

[fierce matrix]

Unsheathing them

[thin fox]

because its just so boring

[fierce matrix]

Nah

Its cause your bad

Clearly

[jagged aspen]

yea necron is kinda meh

[thin fox]

def the biggest miss this expac imo

[fierce matrix]

Prob cant do mm2

What a bozo

[thin fox]

idk what mm2 even is

[fierce matrix]

EXACTLY

[thin fox]

do u think i remember mechanic names in this game

[fierce matrix]

Yes

Limit cut

Nisi

Protean

Gavel

[thin fox]

counterpoint: limit cut refers to 1000 completely unrelated mechanics

[sly basin]

mm2 = mama mia 2

[fierce matrix]

BUT IS IT A MECHANIC

[thin fox]

gavel is just nisi that doesn't even count

[fierce matrix]

All the relativities

[thin fox]

its so strange that this game makes it incredibly difficult to share hud layouts between characters

[fierce matrix]

Wrath of the heavens

[thin fox]

ik theres a plogon for it but

plogone

I do not fucking remember the relativity names

[fierce matrix]

Advanced

Ultimate

Basic

[random needle]

"limit cut is 1000 different mechanics" Akh Morn has like 6 billion variations but everyone knows what you mean when you say it

[loud nymph]

I usually just copy/paste the folders on my pc

[fierce matrix]

Demolition deathmatch

[thin fox]

yeah ik how to do it its just

[fierce matrix]

Debris deathmatch

[thin fox]

its strange the game doesnt let you do it in game

[loud nymph]

yea

[fierce matrix]

Cause

SpAgEhTtI CoDE

[loud nymph]

but like when did sqex ever do things for quality of life

it took uh

[fierce matrix]

Remember chat we just need more people to unsub to get things

Like glamour

[loud nymph]

12 years to get an actual "repair all" button

[fierce matrix]

Where is my extract all button

[zealous meteor]

where's the limit cut alignment chart

[fierce matrix]

Ffs

[loud nymph]

We just don't have that technology

[fierce matrix]

My b

[jagged aspen]

Does anyone have a list of normal raid pieces used?

So I can skip crafting those pieces

[loud nymph]

for which job

[jagged aspen]

All of them

[loud nymph]

[jagged aspen]

Or well, all roles if we want to avoid job specific funnies

[robust shoal]

nraid pieces are universally cheeks

or at least healer/tank are

[jagged aspen]

healer pants are decent no?

ive seen them in some lists i think

[loud nymph]

NIN is only using 1 nraid piece (neck) because crafted has SkS, I assume VPR is the same

[jagged aspen]

oh yea i forget melee have funny sets, my melee is DRG

and i already have aiming set crafted

[loud nymph]

presumably DRG/RPR would avoid any crafted piece with SkS too

but I haven't looked at those

[jagged aspen]

but for dnc for instance you still want crafted piece if its penta

since raid is det/dht

[fierce matrix]

The only way you want one is if you dont want to dump tomes on a non-bis tome piece

And thats only for some people with certain gcd speeds

And its also like a 100 dps loss or something

[jagged aspen]

im assuming most people dont want to dump tomes?

maybe except WF

[fierce matrix]

Most people are going to doing it for w1

[jagged aspen]

and im not dumping tomes on alt jobs anyway

[fierce matrix]

Youll be behind a week on tomes

But it doesnt matter since you wont have the augments anyway

[jagged aspen]

2 weeks if its pants?

[thin fox]

wf are probs just not playing jobs that require it lol

[fierce matrix]

None are pants

Its only accessories

Because of sps/sks accessories

[jagged aspen]

surely theres more important factors when picking jobs for wf 😄

[thin fox]

its less that it matters for wf

[fierce matrix]

Stop putting sks/sps on crafter gear yoshi p

[thin fox]

and its more that wf players are typically people who want to be done with the raids

asap

which means not forcing an extra week of tomes

[jagged aspen]

healer pants have piety

[zealous meteor]

melding skill speed on my crested gear so my crafts are faster

[jagged aspen]

which is worse than sps

unless youre planning to spam raise

[loud nymph]

should meld sps on your FSH gear so your casts are faster smh my head

[thin fox]

I need 8.0 rn tbh

[thin fox]

so we can have our CUTE Au Ra villain

[remote gate]

i give you my true, kinger

[zealous meteor]

magnai is right there /s

[fierce matrix]

I mean whm uses it so

[thin fox]

idc what 8.0 story is

it having Halmarut means its peak

cinema

[jagged aspen]

in high piety set

[remote gate]

we fight evil stuff and have awkward moments with the scions that make the player go 😐

[fierce matrix]

Idk what you bis set is using but just follow it then

[jagged aspen]

i guess ill just craft everything, 1 item is not a big deal anyway

[fierce matrix]

If you have it pulled up just look at that and go crazy

[jagged aspen]

i just wanted alt job sets just in case

[fierce matrix]

I mean

Just look at the sets lmao

[jagged aspen]

they have normal pants in the mid piety set

[fierce matrix]

Whatever gcd speed you want for whatever job, see what normal raid gear it uses if any and then craft the rest

Then yeah just craft everything but the pants then lol

[jagged aspen]

pants are 3 tokens?

[fierce matrix]

4

1 drops from 9 and 10, 2 drop from 11 and 12

[sly basin]

whats the name of the new raid food btw..

[fierce matrix]

Matters

[jagged aspen]

caramel popcorn

[fierce matrix]

Caramel popcorn is for most

[sly basin]

matters??

oh ok

[fierce matrix]

Yes

[jagged aspen]

if you need crit/det

[fierce matrix]

There is different food for different people lol

[jagged aspen]

isnt it only like, sch

or all healers ig

if they want sps

[sly basin]

wol pulling out this before raids

[fierce matrix]

BLM wants sps too

[torn mesa]

better than mate cookie

[fierce matrix]

2.15 my goat

😤

[torn mesa]

just some healers/BLM AFAIK

[zealous meteor]

scholars want popoto

[vast jacinth]

I wanted caramel popcorn :(

[zealous meteor]

i can't believe my bis food makes me a CANNIBAL

[hasty lodge]

Why would SCH prefer spell speed over determination?

I've never really looked into it but assumed it was Crit>Det>spell speed>>>>>>>>>piety(useless)

[robust shoal]

stacking sks/sps in a vacuum is very good because it has increasing returns like crit does (it takes the same amount to lower 0.01 off your gcd each tier but that's a larger fraction of your gcd as you get faster)

almost all jobs just have parts of their kit that don't scale with speed (mostly cooldown-gated damage) so that's why it's not widely done

but more broils is more broils

[hasty lodge]

But more Determination is also just more Broil damage right? Is there a sweetspot for where one is better?

I found det is better for me as if I mess up and don't click a gcd at least the last broil did more damage, because my determination is higher, but I guess the answer to that is "dont mess up"

[jagged aspen]

is ex1/2 still 1 totem per kill and you need 100?

[loud nymph]

yes and yes

[vast jacinth]

Yes

[jagged aspen]

jeez why

[loud nymph]

because square enix hates us

[vast jacinth]

They never change totem drop rate

They only up mount drop rate

[tall field]

We will look into methods of gearing

[robust shoal]

idk the exact threshold but getting to 2.31 is a big thing because that's exactly 13 gcds between dot refreshes

[tall field]

The wise words of the devs

[robust shoal]

also if you end up at a weird gcd by avoiding piety, may as well lower it some more to 2.40 or 2.31 for alignment

[tall field]

Cats how it feels watching esteem aura farm

[robust shoal]

esteem is a pretty cool guy

or girl

[hasty lodge]

Will add this to my BiS spreadsheet, ty!

Trying to find the best gear I can access as I don't run savage/ex content but want to just have the best stuff (apart from the actual best xD)

[boreal pumice]

what popcorn do you like the most

[jagged aspen]

is mount drop high-ish now?

[loud nymph]

not really high ish

you'll see it once in every like 10 clears

instead of once in like 50

[remote gate]

whats the drop rate on the crafted mat btw

[jagged aspen]

in train? decent

ive seen it maybe 5 times in 20 ish clears

[jagged aspen]

thats pretty decent? i wonder if merc party would fill for it

[remote gate]

neato maybe ill get lucky and get it myself (it'll drop and I roll a 22)

[jagged aspen]

are you going for train chocobo?

[boreal pumice]

shiggy type of guy to need all wpns to desyth for crafting mats

[jagged aspen]

you can desynth them already?

[boreal pumice]

im assuming so

[remote gate]

yes

im a lalafell imagine how funny it'll be to ride a tiny train chocobo

[zealous meteor]

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-ff14-doom-train-gif-15779438

[jagged aspen]

the bardings only work on the basic chocobo though?

[zealous meteor]

every chocobo is tiny when you're a lala

[boreal pumice]

always on the basic choco

[remote gate]

is this how doomtrain came to be

[boreal pumice]

the fusion of soken and yoshi p yes

[remote gate]

incredible

[jagged aspen]

idgi my inventory keeps getting full

[loud nymph]

I mean until you realize you're rolling against 7 other people

[jagged aspen]

ye but merc

for like a couple mil

10% droprate on a boss that dies pretty fast

should be decently attractive maybe

[loud nymph]

I guess

[boreal pumice]

not like you guys have anything else going on you got 3 weeks till savage

[peak compass]

ive just been running archfiend when im bored still not got everything from there yet

whilst i wait for savage

[lyric summit]

i still dont know what to play in savage

[valid solar]

bard

[boreal pumice]

spin the wheel

[lyric summit]

no we alr got prange gamer

im the melee/caster

[valid solar]

cooked

whats available

I see

rdm

[lyric summit]

probably

[valid solar]

with their new extendable sword

its gonna be a good time

[loud nymph]

can anyone who has cleared ex and has a weapon confirm

do the weapons make choo choo noises when you pull them out

[valid solar]

they make the ding ding ding ding

sound

[loud nymph]

Dang so close and yet so far

got to car 6 in PF last night before ddos ruined it

arcane revelation is easy

just use ears

[thin fox]

yes

[loud nymph]

aw I was hoping for train whistle, still awesome though

[thin fox]

anyway

my speculation for 8.0 is they're gonna move every job to one button combos like picto and viper

[timber stratus]

hope so, FINALLY we can enjoy the CINEMATIC experience fr

[lyric summit]

if there's enough things in the other parts of the kit to keep you busy I'm all for it

but at the same time nonstandard 123 creates some of my fav jobs

opomax or mch ammo is really good

even dealing with procs on rdm or dnc would fall under it

[thin fox]

time to go meet a celebrity

[thin fox]

such a bizarre bug

what even changes internally to allow this to happen

"this random enemy in a heavensward area doesnt spawn properly"

[random needle]

Current hypothesis is that it's related to Beastmaster

[remote gate]

imagine if this was the teaser for beastmaster

and we keep getting these lv 1 . mobs in other areas

[sly basin]

i met feristal from tiwtter and died immediatly

[visual geyser]

lol

[hasty lodge]

Just move to Europe :3

[sly basin]

does europe have good texmex

[hasty lodge]

We have it, if it's good I can't say

Going to assume no 😭

[jagged aspen]

whats twitter

[sly basin]

evil site

[hasty lodge]

Twitter? I hardly know her

[sick dirge]

uhm ackshually its X

[flat bane]

naaaaahhh

no way the doomtrain weapon makes choo choo noises when unsheated

[worldly grotto]

It’s so peak

[wicked delta]

The fuck is a texmex

[jagged aspen]

oh do they? i glammed over mine

[flat bane]

nuts

[jolly flume]

texas+mexican

[valid solar]

who

anyways

are y'all 3-6-9 gamers or 3-3-12 gamers

(bard)

well I think with crafted you're forced to do 3-3-12 because of skill speed

[loud nymph]

I am giga casual on BRD but 3-3-12

[sly basin]

she makes animation mods

usually cute or silly ones

[jolly flume]

wanna hear a secret

the difference literally doesn't matter I did 3-3-12 on .50 and still farmed like 97-98

just flip a coin

[valid solar]

oh yeah im sure it doesnt matter until the very tip end of optimization

lowkey speaking facts

I had a caster who took r1

and I kinda felt bad for them watching them run forward and back

[loud nymph]

I wanna smack anyone who does "Hector but we do this one thing different"

just say raidplan

[jolly flume]

what's slide 6

[worldly grotto]

Is it like slide 7

[loud nymph]

it's a different set of spreads for 3 puffs during intermission

[jolly flume]

SIX SEVENNNNN

[valid solar]

this is 6

[loud nymph]

6 has r1 north

[trim frost]

rdps rankings for train, apparently

[valid solar]

this is what hector does

[jolly flume]

I saw one on twitter that was 5x static spots and phys range fuck off this morning

[loud nymph]

30 (Hector) has all the ranged south

[valid solar]

the problem with all ranged south is if the caster is group 1 they need to run north for stack

[jolly flume]

why don't they just do

melees h1 stack on the orb

ranged h2 fuck off

[trim frost]

rprbros it’s over

[loud nymph]

thats a thing too

[clear plume]

this is solved by not being r1 as caster like a normal person

[jolly flume]

that was our blind strat

seemed pretty fine

I still think static spot is probably

best option though

[loud nymph]

basically this

[jolly flume]

at least if tanks can be trusted

idk if they can

[loud nymph]

but it does come down to do you trust your tanks to not cleave the melees

[jolly flume]

that but you can move them even further and have someone stand dead center under the orb

that might be a little sketch

but minimum 4 people

can just afk

it's just revolutionary again

gl tanks

lock in

[wicked delta]

Delete your account

[wicked delta]

That was the nicest way I could put it

🙂

[jolly flume]

all my friends so toxic man

[wicked delta]

[loud nymph]

the other thing I'll say

[loud nymph]

this is less movement for r1

but phys ranged aren't people

[rapid whale]

ya seems better

[loud nymph]

so they don't deserve it

[sly basin]

ive heard a few ppl say that this week, they were all ages 5-8

[jolly flume]

👶

[trim frost]

five eight

[zealous meteor]

if all your friends are toxic maybe you're the problem

[sly basin]

i think being a little toxic is good for ur soul

[loud nymph]

unironically true

[remote gate]

100%

especially when ur in the right

[jolly flume]

I would never be problematic

[wicked delta]

[rapid whale]

https://tenor.com/view/ヒカキン-ひかきん-hikakin-slurs-no-gif-12827826542896770215

[valid solar]

how I feel going back to mch and not needing to watch my hotbars like a hawk anymore

[remote gate]

hawk... to... A...?

[wicked delta]

So true

[placid gulch]

Me no in balance discord, any word on SMN prebis?

[remote gate]

https://xivgear.app/?page=sl|c7b75676-49bd-4ddc-ba7e-cf15b04f0474

[trim frost]

i would just join balance personally

[placid gulch]

Ty ty

[remote gate]

post savage

https://xivgear.app/?page=sl|d5b4545d-6803-4b44-b826-6edfb3ca37a0

[terse zodiac]

Dont have to join their discord either can just go to their website

But discord is usually updated first

[clear plume]

mfs ddosing at 11 am on a friday to ruin my dungeon runs

[warped gate]

im saying

[loud nymph]

I usually greet with "Gamers"

[pale blade]

Gamers,

[random needle]

o/ is DF standard though

[robust shoal]

\o

[clear plume]

Im stealing ni haowdy

[pale blade]

there is a pipe bomb in your mailbox

[jolly flume]

ni haowdy is criminal

[pale blade]

How can that be made worse and combined with meowdy though

[rain geode]

Wrong meowdy is the best

[jolly flume]

meowdy everynyan makes me want to commit war crimes

please be serious

[rain geode]

but if your a cat you have to make at least a few cat puns

[sick dirge]

make more original puns

[rain geode]

Why reinyanvent the wheel

[sick dirge]

do i wanna google that word

[jolly flume]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[sick dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/azumanga-daioh-hello-everyone-hello-everynyan-oh-my-goh-gif-4097965043367168076

[proper cave]

Annyeongyeehawseyo

[jolly flume]

@thin tartan I need a translation

[lime ridge]

o/

this one is just setting yourself up for loss

[mossy eagle]

o/ should absolutely be top tier

[sick dirge]

now we need a tier list of things people say when a duty finishes

[mossy eagle]

Simple flowchart:

Run was ok to good: tyfp
Run was dogshit: ""
Run was really dogshit: "please consult The Balance."

[robust shoal]

I sit there for 10 seconds in case someone wants to commend me then leave without walking to the exit

[rain geode]

I just hit em with the gg

even if it was bg

[zealous meteor]

how to read sam:
"gg!" > gg
"gg" > holy shit you're so bad you should delete the game

[mossy eagle]

Actually the real winner is being in a prog party that's memeing and then hitting them with "tyfp" and then immediately leaving

[visual geyser]

O/ is in S

[pale blade]

I think I posted this the other day but I got the comms and they didn’t

[visual geyser]

Asking for comm lmao

Whoever has the coolest portrait gets the comm

[verbal frost]

Whoever is Viera gets my comm

[thin tartan]

Where did yee come from…

[proper cave]

[random needle]

Sapphire Raiden # Siren: my goldfish is drowning gtg
Dragonsong's Reprise (Ultimate) has ended.
You have entered a sanctuary.

[alpine plover]

endgame lounge

i need your wisdom again

how would you define a soft enrage?

like i know what it is but idk how i can formulate for a friend

[robust shoal]

A soft enrage makes it untenable rather than impossible to continue

[finite plank]

something that hits really hard that you can survive, but it's preferable you don't deal with it in such a way

[random needle]

When the boss keeps doing one attack over and over without any more mechanical variation or skill than just "stay alive and kill it before it kills you" maybe?

[worldly grotto]

Something like the TEA enrage maybe?

[finite plank]

i.e.

not killing shit in time in m6s

[worldly grotto]

It doesn't outright kill you but the more people get trapped in stasis the less likely it is to clear

[robust shoal]

Jwaves is a soft enrage but perfect alex is a hard enrage

[finite plank]

not killing ray in time so the arena is flooded

[worldly grotto]

So more mechanics led rather than "This is my ultimate fuck you move now die"

[finite plank]

not killing the squirrel things in time so everyone now has stacks of bleed

[random needle]

Yeah TEA is a hard enrage, if you don't kill it before everyone is trapped you are guaranteed to lose at a specific time

[alpine plover]

i have noted , thank you

i like the squirels example

[mossy eagle]

For additional context, soft enrages used to be more common, but during one of the Coils fights people found a way to cheese the soft enrage, hence the shift to hard enrages over time

[random needle]

Hmmm... Is Bahamut with Damage Up in UCoB p5 considered a soft enrage?

[mossy eagle]

You can kind of sort of combine them. Sonic Shatter from P5S and Terminal Relativity from E12SP2 mimic the feel of a soft enrage but those fights still have hard enrages

[mossy eagle]

Probably intended to be a failure condition, but as it's been beaten, I guess it's super technically a soft enrage now?

[random needle]

I mean, soft enrages are already meant to effectively be fail states, it's just that people are worryingly good at making them Not That

[mossy eagle]

I guess I define failure state slightly differently then

Failure state to me is incorrectly solving a mechanic, leading to the fight ending prematurely

Vs. Enrage which is more "you got through the fight but you're out of time"

[terse zodiac]

The ucob isnt a soft enrage bc its not an enrage

But its close enough

[mossy eagle]

Yeah the devs clearly never intended players to beat Golden with the damage up

[terse zodiac]

E12 ending is the closest we've had afaik since really early

Or ig m8s is similar

[finite plank]

if e12 is considered one

then there's harrowing hell

[terse zodiac]

Unsolvable hard engrages are the best imo like harrowing

Just adds flavor

[finite plank]

i dont consider those soft enrages, it's not a failure difficulty but a mitcheck

[mossy eagle]

Hate boring raidwides

[finite plank]

if it soft enrage is considered that

then it's just a mitcheck

[mossy eagle]

Yeah that's why I said "kind of sort of combined".

It's absolutely not a soft enrage

It just mimics the mits and heals that would be put into delaying a soft enrage

[finite plank]

all the shits in here qualify for soft enrage, you can still beat the fight after failing it, but it is going to be difficult

[random needle]

Like Artistic Anarchy?

[terse zodiac]

Yeah most of arcadion had good enrages

[rain geode]

Id personally just call it any type of enrage that doesnt outright kill you in one hit

[modern helm]

Hey all is this the place to discuss the train EX?

[rain geode]

you can

[sick dirge]

go for it

[modern helm]

Which of these do I boost, and which do I mute to hear that train audio cue

Because I can not hear it.

[rain geode]

I believe its under sound effects

[loud nymph]

it is

but you'd probably also want to turn the others down

[sick dirge]

maybe lower BGM or completely turn it of

[rain geode]

Unfortuantly most of the combat noises are ALSO under sound effects afaik

turning BGM down might help

[loud nymph]

personally I just stopped trying to listen for it and just stare at the big train

easier for me

[rain geode]

Thats also an option (tho I tend to lose the little train when I do that)

[boreal pumice]

so you are train spotting

[modern helm]

I gotta be honest, this might be my limit

[loud nymph]

I didn't have that issue personally, stare at big then you have several seconds to locate small and get into position (though to be fair I'm mdps so I have to travel less than others)

[modern helm]

I've got the wings (or enough totems to get the wings) on all the other fights

[loud nymph]

I think as long as you hang out near mid though you should be fine

[modern helm]

but I do not see myself going 99 rounds with this thing.

[sick dirge]

understandable tbh

[rain geode]

At the end of the day whatever works for oneself is the best I just got used to the audio cue

[loud nymph]

yeah for sure

[low hearth]

What’s wrong with doom train bro 😭

[rain geode]

Ill probably go the 50 rounds I really want a pair of wings

then again you cant buy the wings for forever so maybe I wont

[modern helm]

Just way too much going on

[alpine plover]

obviously but i needed a less textbook answer for my friend. but she understood now

[rain geode]

Really I found him easier then necron

although I was healing and necron has a lot of annoyances for healers

[visual geyser]

I turned down bgm for the new ex

Makes it a lot easier

[thin fox]

yuuuuuuuuuuuuup

[sick dirge]

lol

[thin fox]

so NA has 0 chance of winning wf for savage

[modern helm]

I still can not hear it at all

[craggy marsh]

Is there a lore reason why FFXIV gets ddos'd every day

[zealous meteor]

we killed zodiark and now He can no longer protect us from attacks

the true villain was ddos all along

[thin fox]

are you talking about intermission

if you so you can just look at the higher up train to see the visual cue instead of relying on the audio one

[loud nymph]

yeah that's kinda what I was saying, just watch the blue plumes out of the big train

horn -> look at train -> count blue -> look at smaller train -> go to spot accordingly

[hot rose]

Never let the opps win

[craggy marsh]

LONG LIVE THE KING

[hot rose]

The puffs start happening once the tank busters show up

[low hearth]

Calm them nerves got the whole world watching…

That song is so goofy omg

[craggy marsh]

Its funny bc it doesnt match what m12 is showing at all

Epic music for boring mechanics

[sick dirge]

seriously

[hot rose]

Its p8n situation all over again

[sick dirge]

M11N was unironically more engaging

[low hearth]

It doesn’t even go well with the fight 😭

[hot rose]

Where they save EVERYTHING for savage

[sick dirge]

surely M12S will be peak

[hot rose]

The music video is a harrrrrd watch

👁️👄👁️

[rapid whale]

god forbid a man have fun

[hot rose]

No i kinda LIVE

Its so camp lool

[rapid whale]

the budget was like

20 bucks, a pack of cigarettes, and a case of beer lol

[hot rose]

He’s dancing like he just 👃 ❄️

🤭

[loud nymph]

NOW GET DOWN ON YOUR KNEES,I'M ASKING PLEASE

[low hearth]

Light it up.

[loud nymph]

I'M SINISTER, UNDER YOUR SKIN, IN LACE AND LEATHER

[dapper zealot]

I like the theory that it's our song, not the boss's

[dapper zealot]

Unstoppable force meets an immovable object

[sick dirge]

no fucking way

mb didnt mean to ping

[loud nymph]

how in the fuck

literally pixel perfect

[low hearth]

Never had a choice…

[sick dirge]

this the type of shit id expect from a lalafell but

damn

the confidence they had in that pixel is admirable

[modern helm]

I got carried to 2 clears

did not feel earnt at all

Party would probly been better off if I just lay there dead and my drone shot for me.

[low hearth]

Swap to tank and ignore intermission bro !

[limpid edge]

WUK LAMAT

[modern helm]

But I need to be R2 to signal that I'm just gonna follow the party and do nothing of worth or note.

[limpid edge]

i love playin tank to ignore intermission

[sick dirge]

hey a clear is a clear

[limpid edge]

can you full uptime intermission on tank? I'm afraid to greed the cleave

i always miss one gcd there

on each cleave

[low hearth]

It is easier than Necron yea

[oak drift]

Would this include the shadowbringers alliance raid as endgame or just purely dawntrail stuff?

[low hearth]

Wiping to those towers at the end of ex5 was crazy man

[low hearth]

Mostly dawntrail stuff I think

[oak drift]

Ty ty

[scarlet lintel]

i hope brainded revelation doesn't stick :/

[limpid edge]

bwaindead?

[scarlet lintel]

idk what exactly it is but it involves tank lb and i dont wanna think about it

braindead intermission is fine but revelation like idk

[clear plume]

God no losing just one gcd is less than most lose

[limpid edge]

i lose 3 cuz each cleave

maybe 4 if there are dps deaths

MY DPS!!!!!!!

[scarlet lintel]

i usually lose 2 or 3 per cleave

[limpid edge]

wait prob more cuz i play super safe on the cleave

i aint no greeder

i like wait for animation

it prob snapshots half a second before

[loud nymph]

I saw there was a braindead car 5 strat but it sucked and got removed from the raidplan

So hopefully it's dead and buried

[scarlet lintel]

i know that sometimes my primarl rend perfectly happens after the snapshot but it like depends on how i've done my rotation up to that point so i stopped doing it after i killed the party once

[loud nymph]

Fuck

[clear plume]

A samurai player is trying to bring it back saying you should mit everything on first and tank lb second instead of spreading mit

[scarlet lintel]

what about the third

[loud nymph]

revelation is not even hard

why would you need to braindead it

[limpid edge]

the bd strat might make a comeback cuz i saw a host advertise it and swear by it

[scarlet lintel]

also i literally dont understand theres like a chance of missing 1 gcd per revelation like its not that deep

its literally so easy and just follow someone if u dont know how to do it 😭

[limpid edge]

follow someone might be too late

at least from my experience, people that wait to follow someone are usually too slow, they get hit by the revelation circle

[alpine plover]

ok whm is now pretty goated in chaotic

🔥

[limpid edge]

cuz of network delay and all that

i just listen for sound and then look at where circle ends up. That worked for me except for this one time it didnt make a sound and killed everyone

[sly basin]

fun silly video https://youtu.be/lONFFfYIY9I

[modern helm]

I'm beginning to think there isn't a sound at all

literally turned off all other sounds

[sick dirge]

wild thumbnail

[craggy marsh]

I'm sorry but if you need a braindead strat to do revelation then you dont deserve a clear

[sly basin]

if every strat is braindead, are they truly braindead....

[scarlet lintel]

sometims it doesnt make a sound, i thuoght maintenance would fix that but it apparently hasnt

either way i just look at body language if that happens

[alpine plover]

which one is revelation again

[limpid edge]

moving circle boi

[alpine plover]

the
/
\ /
?

oh so that one

do i dare ask how is the braindead strat for it

[limpid edge]

2 tanks top left and 6 others top right. Stay there and mit when circle hits you

[scarlet lintel]

its funny how it just moves all responsibility to the healers instead

[thin fox]

ngl lowkenuinely excited for upcoming msq now because of the patch

[sick dirge]

people actually need a braindead strat for that?

lul

[limpid edge]

need is a strong word, it's more like they're just lazy and want to make farming as simple as possible

i hear JP is standardizing it and im sure they can do it the "normal" way

[alpine plover]

why would you do that

[limpid edge]

we standardized sphene flares too but im sure PF is capable of doing the normal way as well

[alpine plover]

ok it's braindead but not for the correct reason

[limpid edge]

if we ever learned it

[thin fox]

super giga excited for halmarut

[random needle]

This feels somehow even worse than BD EF2 in ex4

[sick dirge]

fair

[thin fox]

at least in NA i 95% see non-braindead

[low hearth]

Uh tanks left and everyone else right

[craggy marsh]

it makes farming simple until you get the shit healers who can't do it and then people blame them instead of the party just doing the mechanic normally

[limpid edge]

i think this is one of the few times where i had an easier time with the normal way than BD way

[low hearth]

And then you just super mit I think

[limpid edge]

i had the timing for normal way down so i didnt want to learn another way

[low hearth]

You can solo the stack on tank ngl

With like 5% health left

[random needle]

I really hope Hector doesn't make a vid for this, this doesn't need to be legitimized

[craggy marsh]

I still think EX4 was only a shit show in pf bc of hectors video doing a different strat then what pf was already used to

[limpid edge]

this is probably better in a static situation where yuou have familiar healers and mitplans

[sick dirge]

mmm

[limpid edge]

PF i wouuldnt trust yet until we well overgear the fight

like 790 gear

[wicked delta]

Hector live reaction

[limpid edge]

which works for me since i generally dont farm wings early. I wait until we gear up

[low hearth]

End of expansion movement ngl

[sick dirge]

LOL

[limpid edge]

i'll also farm if there's a merc party but ... <=5m and all the merc parties ive been in were traps

[sick dirge]

this strat so ass...

[wicked delta]

It was literally in reaction to a braindead strat shared in here like 😭

[sick dirge]

surely he doesnt make a separate video

[limpid edge]

hector's generally doesnt make another video unless the normal strat really sucked

[worldly grotto]

This is such a teacher response lmao

[limpid edge]

whcih i think the normal rev strat is fine

[sick dirge]

makes sense

[limpid edge]

he made one for... raining cats cuz it's the hardest mech in Dawntrail and needed a better one

[undone tide]

chat

i’m gonna miss cruiserweight

[rapid whale]

all the fights this expansion have been p fun

[wicked delta]

Failure of a raidtier according to some people tho

[undone tide]

m3s

[undone tide]

according to who lmao

[rapid whale]

that's still p fun

[undone tide]

cooly?

[wicked delta]

[undone tide]

i like m3s because it’s challenging to get full uptime

cruiserweight is perhaps my favorite raid tier of all time

[modern helm]

3/50
Got absolutely hard carried across the finish line.

[low hearth]

Just listen to the audio cues bro

[clear plume]

Honestly cruiserweight was a fun tier to prog, awful to reclear

[rain geode]

they are sorta hard to hear (and sometimes arcane revalation just bugs out and doesnt give you an audio cue)

[undone tide]

loved it both ways

[limpid edge]

did bout 15 clears, one time didnt make a sound

SE might have to add another SFX volume slider for mechs only

or split between player and enemy SFX

ideally they give us an individual volume slider for every ability in the game....!

[undone tide]

i think SE is leaning a lot towards execution based mechanics in savage rather than puzzles

i don’t know how i feel about that

if they’re going to do that i feel failure needs to be more punishing

[whole estuary]

make everyone personally solve Superchess for the next raid

[limpid edge]

what if puzzles were less precictable w/ many possible solutions? Then they can be more fun to do non-blind

[whole estuary]

add catchpas to Interphos

[undone tide]

you pick the one that’s easiest

[limpid edge]

i also say less predictable in a sense that the easiest solution might not always be a solution for one instance.

as for how they can design a puzzle like that without being too much of a brain-twister... hmm not sure, upto to the expert puzzle makers to figure it out

[sleek moon]

this is how we end up with bodychecks everywhere

[undone tide]

and body checks are a bad thing?

[sleek moon]

excessive ones are

[undone tide]

ok

so just have a few

lol

[sleek moon]

people like mr ozma dont know the meaning of a few

[undone tide]

if you get hit by an avoidable aoe you should die

i thought p10s was a great fight even in pf

[sleek moon]

i think its a good fight but remove the pf from that sentence lol

[undone tide]

fights should never be designed around pf

[sleek moon]

yeah well, fights should never be designed around only statics either

[limpid edge]

here lies the crux of trying to balance for a large range of players: P10S was a beloved fight but many people also complained about body checks

[sleek moon]

all kinds of people play the game

[craggy marsh]

Bodychecks are fine until you have a fight like P10 yeah

Not every mechanic needs to be a bodycheck

[rain geode]

I feel like fights should almost exclusively be designed around PF

[craggy marsh]

Golbez EX suffered this too

[sleek moon]

but its also the placement of body checks

[undone tide]

its just a classic square thing, we’ve overcorrected to there being no body checks

[clear plume]

@jolly flume

[undone tide]

absolutely not, fights would be clearable by 5 y/os

[sleek moon]

like the issue of golbez is they put a mechanic that apparently is hard for most people to execute, and immediately follow it with a body check

zero recovery time

[undone tide]

what hair is that

[rain geode]

thats... not true?

[limpid edge]

5 y/os who can game sure

[undone tide]

the average pfer is garbage

[wicked delta]

Hair from chaotic

[undone tide]

is my point

designing fights around them would not be challenging

[rain geode]

Honestly I dont even think thats true like sure there are a lot of bad players but there are also a lot of good players

like the last thing I want is to not be able to play the game anymore

[undone tide]

being a good player in this game does not help you at all

[craggy marsh]

Like for an ultimate this is fine

But an ex? Idk chief

[undone tide]

one to two bad players in a group can ruin a party

[sleek moon]

4th floor too should be fine to have many body checks

[craggy marsh]

Ya the 4th floor should have hard mechs that require consistency

[rain geode]

All Im gonna say is a decent PF should be able to clear a fight

[craggy marsh]

But dont make the 2nd fight of the tier be bodycheck city

[sleek moon]

like ideally as you progress a tier it starts mostly personal responsibility and shifts to party

but they didn't stick to that at all in panda

[undone tide]

and it always has been able to

[thin fox]

necron was p fuckin bad but otherwise i agree

[craggy marsh]

Necron was just

Boring

[rain geode]

hence fights are designed around pf and thats what I prefer

[craggy marsh]

But thats the curse of an off savage patch ex

[wicked delta]

I mean

[craggy marsh]

SoS being an exception to the rule

[wicked delta]

What do you mean by that exactly

Designed around PF

Because do you mean that the lowest skill people in PF should be able to clear it?

[thin fox]

in some games it is basically impossible to raid without vc lol

see: Destiny 2

[rain geode]

Generally speaking reasonably skill players should be able to clear a fight in PF

[wicked delta]

Or around week 1 savage/ultimate people

[rain geode]

thats what I mean

[sleek moon]

also i moved to materia just to craft because im scared of ddos

this place is a ghost town

[craggy marsh]

They can they just have to be aware of their surroundings

[sleek moon]

i only see other voyagers

[wicked delta]

The skill pool of PF is so vast that I don’t think its really a thing

[undone tide]

i want to say materia only had 2k native active players

in the last luckybancho

for comparison, aether alone had 80k ish

[craggy marsh]

If someone is "decently skilled" at the game then they should absolutely be able to handle 95% of the mechanics in this game

[sleek moon]

they even have housing first come first serve still, no lottery

[rain geode]

yeah

[sleek moon]

you can go to shirogane and grab that plot 30 anytime

[undone tide]

i’d still find a way to lose

[wicked delta]

Yeah like the average player is pretty fucking bad lmao

So im just not sure what it means

[craggy marsh]

The average player thinks dungeons are too hard

[dull drum]

bruh just @ me if you're gona call me out

[craggy marsh]

Fucking, people thought Shinryu NORMAL was too hard

A fucking NORMAL trial

[rain geode]

honestly I dont htink thats true I think the average is better then people make it out to be

[undone tide]

dawntrail dungeons

[rain geode]

like I dont think the people struggling with dungeons are the average they're a very vocal minority

[wicked delta]

Most the playerbase doesn’t even raid as is

[rapid whale]

tew not even 40% of the community participates in ex trials

[dull drum]

dawntrail dungeons

i can literally drop the whole thread for the fifth time

people thought alexandria first boss was too hard

[rapid whale]

less than 20% participate in savage

[wicked delta]

When we say the average player is bad its like an objective truth bc they don’t touch the content

[craggy marsh]

I can drop the "Dead Ends is too hard" post too

[wicked delta]

Lmao

[dull drum]

i havent seen that one

[craggy marsh]

People said Dead Ends had savage mechanics

[sick dirge]

thats

ok

[rain geode]

I mean sure you can post the forum that only proves that they are vocal

[sick dirge]

LOL

[dull drum]

i bet it was the first/second boss

[wicked delta]

The only boss I can think of is the second one

[rain geode]

whereas in my games I rarely see parties actually struggle to clear content

[wicked delta]

First boss just put the esuna in the bag man

[craggy marsh]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/452783

[rapid whale]

think back to how you were before you stepped foot into an ex

[craggy marsh]

It's an amazing read

[rapid whale]

and then think that over 60% of the community is at that level

if not worse

[sick dirge]

its def the second boss

[sick dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/book-cat-lore-cat-reading-reading-gif-8424606799553805726

[rain geode]

well it was like less then 2 months ago so its pretty easy to remember

[rapid whale]

ya

you actively took effort to get better

[dull drum]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/504705-Feedback-Dawntrail-MSQ-dungeon-difficulty 34 pages be like

[rapid whale]

that alr is not norm

[craggy marsh]

Honestly? There's no "too hard" mechanics right now in the game and thats good

[random needle]

This thread is the reason you get extra lives in DS now I think

[dull drum]

wait what

[craggy marsh]

I dont like it when devs overcorrect

[dull drum]

thats a thing now??

[rain geode]

I mean I didnt really until I hopped into ex's

[dull drum]

when did that happen

[sick dirge]

that was added this patch i think

[rain geode]

and its not like I was struggling to clear content through the story so it clearly cant be to hard for casuals

[dull drum]

bro...

[craggy marsh]

I hate how they implemented it tho bc you only get extra lives after you die the first time. So those people will still complain

[wicked delta]

They nerfed a solo duty in Endwalker because it was too hard

[random needle]

Meso Terminal executioners are impossible content

[zealous meteor]

exaflares
ridiculously difficult mechanics

lmao

[craggy marsh]

Slow moving exaflares too

[sick dirge]

the exaflares are NOT hard to resolve i promise you 🙏

[dull drum]

hopping into exs already puts you above the average lol

[craggy marsh]

It's also a mechanic that can be ignored bc the healer has esuna

[dapper zealot]

I'd get more into highend if I had a group of friends to do it with and wasn't stuck in OCE

[wicked delta]

Like its nice that you think the average player is not as bad as you think they are but they kind of just

[rapid whale]

thats my point

[wicked delta]

Suck

Thats not necessarily their fault

They have no incentive to get better

[rain geode]

but i still cleared the content just fine so clearly the average player can handle it just fine

[wicked delta]

You dont need to learn your rotation to clear content

[boreal pumice]

Warriors dragging 3 corpses in dungeons

[rapid whale]

idt you 're getting my point

[dull drum]

also for the record i dont think any of us are elitist we are just being objective when we say like

[rapid whale]

you stepping into extreme and trying to get better after

already places you above the avg player

[dull drum]

when we say average players are bad

they are BAD

[wicked delta]

I corpse dragged people through so many dawntrail dungeons in early access on DRK lmao

[thin fox]

we need to fix invulns. they should just autopop. do you know how hard it is to hit buttons like holmgang? just ask our poor struggling tanks like @dull drum

[rapid whale]

many ppl dont even bother trying extreme

[dull drum]

WOAH WOAH

[rapid whale]

even less try to improve after

[dull drum]

i dont play warrior anymore

[rain geode]

that doesnt really have anything to do with my point is the thing

[dapper zealot]

I saw someone mention that you could get around the ex6 min ilvl by premade. Like just bro

[rapid whale]

the data disagrees with what you are putting out is my point

[dull drum]

it does though you say you're average but at least you hopped into an extreme

[zealous meteor]

oh yeah you can literally just ignore them lmao

[dull drum]

thats literally above the average already

[rain geode]

I didnt say im average

I said I think the average player can clear normal content

[zealous meteor]

call me elitist but anyone getting filtered by dawntrail dungeons deseres to get filtered

you have had 90+ levels to learn the fucking game

they're not hard

[rain geode]

and that a vocal minority on the forums doesnt actually mean that much

[rapid whale]

your point was that the average player can do stuff in pf we are saying by definition they cannot

[sick dirge]

youve got some very high expectations

xD

[wicked delta]

Yeah lmao

[rapid whale]

because the avg player doesnt even try extremes

[craggy marsh]

People treat the game like a visual novel and get frustrated when they cant win by doing nothing

[wicked delta]

We’re not talking about people doing normal content this is about PF

Most people haven’t even done an EX, designing content around “the average player” means catering to those folks

[whole estuary]

You can win by doing nothing for 3 years

[wicked delta]

Every single savage would be O1S as a result

[craggy marsh]

Yeah savage and ex clears are really low percentage wise

[dull drum]

14% of people have done necron

[rain geode]

I mean people not doing EX doesnt mean they couldnt in theory clear them if they wanted to if that was the case no new players could ever do ex

[boreal pumice]

Not today Zerg

[rapid whale]

thats kinda what we're saying tho

you using the phrase 'the average player should be able to clear content'

alr goes against the basic data

[craggy marsh]

I know what you mean when you say the "average player" but it's hard to gauge what the average player is in this game

[zealous meteor]

14% of people with public achievements

like... that's 34k characters

[rain geode]

should be not has to, if someone wants to clear an ex and is willing to put in some work I think they should be able to clear it

[craggy marsh]

It's like when people say "we need more midcore content" but they dont really give examples as to what midcore even means bc it's different for everyone

[boreal pumice]

That’s the thing willing to put in effort

[dapper zealot]

?? you can do that now with how fights are designed

[craggy marsh]

To some people EX is casual

[rapid whale]

yea willing to put in effort = already not the avg player

[zealous meteor]

midcore is content that i can clear without having to put in too much effort, but that the average person i consider worse than me cannot

[rain geode]

YES I LIKE THE WAY THE FIGHTS ARE DESIGN RN

or at least the ones Ive done

[craggy marsh]

Ultimate is midcore content bc i cleared UCOB and UWU without much effort

[zealous meteor]

true

[rapid whale]

true and real

[boreal pumice]

Elitist

[dull drum]

that is true yeah

i still feel like the number is somewhat within ballpark though

[dapper zealot]

So what was the whole point of 'fights should be designed around pf' if nothing changes?

[dull drum]

10-15% margin of error for people who have private achievements

[rain geode]

because someone was saying they shouldnt be designed around PF and I disagree with that

[zealous meteor]

midcore is content than can be cleared by the average midlander player

[dull drum]

midcore is such a stupid word

[craggy marsh]

It is

It really is

[whole estuary]

how about midslop

and slopcore

[zealous meteor]

if anyone in this server uses slop one more time i'm gonna pull an emet selch

[dull drum]

its funny how the average is so hard to define but the extreme ends are pt easy

[zealous meteor]

(become a genocidal maniac)

[dull drum]

like if i said hardcore raid you can probably imagine like

[rain geode]

Im really glad someconversations never change in mmos (in OSRS the conversation is around "midgame" and how overly vague that is)

[dull drum]

week 1 pentamelds + alts for splits, 40+ hours a week probably etc

[zealous meteor]

most ults

oh that's what you mean

yeah

[sick dirge]

sloppeh

[dull drum]

yeah i mean it more so for like mentality

because thats like the biggest issue with statics

midcore is a trap most of the time

[zealous meteor]

casual hardcore static

[rain geode]

dang im casual hardcore

[sleek moon]

"magical girl glam" my ass

[rain geode]

Im gonna play 12 hours a day but Im below average player

[sick dirge]

evil magical girl

[zealous meteor]

you are not, because the term is literally meaningless

[sleek moon]

maybe for a nun

[boreal pumice]

Cat cult

[daring pine]

look at the aiming set

[rain geode]

well I mean my life is meaningless so it fits

wow that was more edgy a joke then I usually go for these days

[sick dirge]

ok

[sleek moon]

speaking of midcore i saw a pf recruiting for a "semi midcore" static and im not even sure what the expectation is for that

[rain geode]

I think midcore is like fine IF you then specificy exactly what you mean

[boreal pumice]

One man’s hard is another’s easy

[rain geode]

True

[wanton sky]

never thought i would waste 40 minutes on a dungeon but here we are

[boreal pumice]

40 but it’s one the fastest

[dull drum]

i bet it was the first boss wasnt it

[sleek moon]

what were your top 5 wipes there

[low hearth]

Bro was playing with plumbers 💔

[wicked delta]

This dungeon is not hard enough to be in it for 40 minutes tf

[rain geode]

I've actually not had any wipes in mistwake yet

[zealous meteor]

i think i've wiped to every boss at least once

and i've done the dungeon TWICE

[true beacon]

I did it with npc’s

[dapper zealot]

neither have I

[rain geode]

Actually that's a lie I died once on my first clear to the dash because I got giga greedy

[dapper zealot]

cause I haven't done the dungeon yet

[smoky magnet]

Fairly new to the game looking for people to play with dm I play tank

[clear plume]

sometimes u just gotta tell people sphene plays better than them

[sleek moon]

ngl i already forgot the bosses but i remember being surprised with how easy the dungeon was

like yuweyawata 2nd and 3rd boss had more hands than anything past it

[rain geode]

Endgame lobby might not be the place

[quick verge]

dont u like bosses like

CATOBLEPAS

famous dont get gazed at mechani

c

[zealous meteor]

actually wait i don't think we wiped to boss 3
on my first clear we wiped to boss 2
and on my second we wiped to boss 1

[rain geode]

Honestly I judge bosses entirely based in if they say something funny during the fight

[boreal pumice]

Every ff game they petrify

[zealous meteor]

-# HOW MANY TIMES IS IT GONNA KEEP DOING THAT?

[sleek moon]

yuweyawata 3rd boss and meso terminal 2nd boss should be the standard for dungeons tbh

[craggy marsh]

"GAYS UPON TRUE POWER"

[quick verge]

next time we're gonna have

[craggy marsh]

Bless you Gaius

[quick verge]

giga behemoth

that casts

epileptic meteor

next dungeon

[zealous meteor]

give me a dungeon boss with an enrage

[please don't]

[quick verge]

catoblepas

[dull drum]

m9 technically has an enrage very early

[zealous meteor]

The party must take care to not let too many rocks be destroyed, as it will cause the boss's Bedeviling Light attack to become unavoidable and wipe the party.
oh huh

i thought it would just spawn new rocks

[rain geode]

There's a few soft enrages

[dull drum]

no it happened to me day 1

people thought hey lets put this telegraphed aoe on a rock

[true beacon]

O2N has an enrage at like

[dull drum]

and see what happens

[true beacon]

23 minutes

[rain geode]

Didn't they add an enrage technically to a random arr dungeon in 7.3?

[sleek moon]

mistake 1st boss might actually have a sort of enrage, i did notice he will target 1 of the remaining pillars every time he does that thunder attack

so if you take too long you could be left without pillars

[craggy marsh]

reasons why aumarot is peak

all 3 bosses have enrages

[quick verge]

notice how the first expert dungeon each expac has tried to copy amaurot

[zealous meteor]

please add an enrage to dusk vigil in 7.5 it would be so funny

[craggy marsh]

I really really fucking really beg them to stop doing the "Go into the past of a long dead civilizations and witness their collapse" thing

It was cool the first time

Dead Ends was cool too

but did they need to do it 3 more times? after EW?

or...2 times I guess

since Meso Terminal doesn't count

[zealous meteor]

the only good memory dungeon is meso terminal because instead of reliving a civilization's collapse, calyx just throws endless at you for fun

[quick verge]

what bosses are those

[jolly flume]

[wicked delta]

Has anyone actually died to the second amaurot boss enrage

[quick verge]

is meso 2nd the one with the 4 guys

[wicked delta]

Yes

[quick verge]

you can just run 3 dps 1 tank and ignore the doom on the healer guy

0 mechanics

[worn bluff]

8.0 final trial will have a cutscene followed by a power boost victory lap with uplifting music. please look forward to it

[craggy marsh]

I mean that's okay bc I love my hype moments

I don't like the constant use of memory dungeons as our final dungeon

[jolly flume]

have you heard? princess sphene is here!

[whole estuary]

as a tradeoff we've had much fewer echo visions in MSQ in general

where are my migraines

[sick dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/sphene-ffxiv-dawntrail-sphere-gif-8076540594294489330

[worn bluff]

if i smile, it’s because you all smile for me!

[rapid whale]

doesnt it just die before the doom is even cast if a dps is on it

[trim frost]

means i don’t have to constantly hear that stupid fucking echo theme

[dapper zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYulbgMfI5I

[trim frost]

get away from me

[dapper zealot]

no, you'll enjoy your flashbacks

[limpid edge]

MAD SNAKE

[zealous meteor]

🐴 where noclippy

[remote gate]

flashback to a scene of two characters talking about something that you'll forget "oh wol, are you okay? you were spacing out for a moment there."

[zealous meteor]

alternatively, giott inventing new slurs for you every time you get an echo flashback

[thin fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEIEcWIpJ00

[tawdry delta]

i'll begin by wearing you down

[tawdry delta]

8.0 final trial will have luk wamat, princess of blindfrost turned queen, barging in and defeating the boss mostly by herself

[rain geode]

I dont hate Wuk Lamet like everyone seems to but she probably shouldnt be a player in 8.0

[jolly flume]

i'll begin by wearing you

skins you alive

[rain geode]

Ill begin by wearing you down

[tawdry delta]

she's probably banished to the shadow realm for 2 expansions

[rain geode]

I mean she had her story It would like if lyse was around in ShB

[clear plume]

or if graha was around in ew

[worn bluff]

graha is popular at least

[jolly flume]

cluegi

[quick verge]

who's graha

[jolly flume]

who's rem

[finite plank]

pajamas

[zealous meteor]

no, she should be part of 8.0

i love her

and it would annoy other people

[rain geode]

That is a good point

[round burrow]

I like wuk.

[rain geode]

I like Wuk as well

[rapid whale]

wuk lamat is just naruto in a fur suit, believe it

[zealous meteor]

it would annoy the annoying people and that's what matters

[zealous meteor]

she is

and that's good

we need a shonen protagonist

the wol clearly isn't cutting it

[round burrow]

Consider her my 5th wife..

it took me a good min to remember what wives I had lmao

[whole estuary]

I don't think we had enough scenes of her eating food in S9