endgame-lounge

[tired egret]

[sick reef]

is GF cd/recharge 30 sec?

[low hearth]

yea

[verbal frost]

ain't that move aoe tho

or am i tripping

oh wait

ain't this aoe?

that's fine then ngl

ninja aoe could be better for sure def make it gain on 2

[proper cave]

Yeah NIN aoe got a slight bump and in exchange VPR got buried.

[verbal frost]

NIN I would've nerf single target buff aoe

these devs are so boring tho

[thin fox]

2 charges @ 30s a charge, bloodfest 60s

[dapper zealot]

does sch start with aetherflow in duties?

[sick reef]

man i can barely keep up with all the gnb buttons at 250 ping

[alpine plover]

no

[thin fox]

no

[verbal frost]

WHM will literally be op

[thin fox]

if you're asking if they changed that this patch then idk

[verbal frost]

this is actually insane

ngl

[thin fox]

but historically it hasn't

[verbal frost]

ppl not gonna know the value

[sick reef]

we are all whm mains

[verbal frost]

of the WHM buffs

[alpine plover]

but usually you dissip first gcd

[verbal frost]

cuz that shit is fucking insane yo

I'm ngl

[alpine plover]

and you have 6 aetherflow to spare

[thin fox]

still never bringing a white mage

[verbal frost]

WHM will be maybe on par with AST

[thin fox]

they could make blood lily do 5k dmg and I'm not bringing a white mage

[verbal frost]

but idk

[sick reef]

2 blood lily opener mmm

[verbal frost]

They hate Sage tho lmao

[terse zodiac]

That would be pointless

[jolly flume]

the three lily stacks they give you at the start are just gonna overcap for like the first 30s of the fight lol

[terse zodiac]

Throwing 3 lilies during buffs to get a 2nd blood lily would be the same as 4 glares

[verbal frost]

not rlly

[amber fable]

Opener blood then spam solace then blood again

[verbal frost]

burst is like 27s

[dapper zealot]

wait so every healer now starts with their gauge filled except sch

[amber fable]

Weird ass opener

[verbal frost]

WHM gonna be even more op in dungeons

nasty work

[mossy eagle]

Wow I can't wait to play GNB now! It was way too hard for me before but thankfully it has been sanded down to WAR with a gun

[verbal frost]

b/c

u are literally using blood lily misery

like 5th gcd

[thin fox]

implying it wasn't war with a gun before

[verbal frost]

so how will it overcap

[amber fable]

Gnb wasnt war

Now it is pld

[verbal frost]

like ye I guess

[tall field]

Pld 2.0 yea

[verbal frost]

first. 8 seconds overcap mayb or smth

[tall field]

Good

[mossy eagle]

I'll give it credit for having some odd and even minute business

[amber fable]

Pld with mantra

[mossy eagle]

Now it's literally a one minute job where you can't overcap

[jolly flume]

the 3 stacks at the start is a pretty pointless change lol

[thin fox]

no chiyo an extra blood lily in the opener will def make up for whm having no mit no heals no util no good players

[verbal frost]

you just mad WHM gonna be competing with AST now

😭

[amber fable]

You literally cant fit burst strike under nm anyway

[jolly flume]

why would I be mad

[amber fable]

Unless you go speed

[jolly flume]

at good balance

bad ragebait man

what I'm mad about is gunbreaker

[verbal frost]

are u switch whm

[jolly flume]

but if I talk anymore about that

im going to kms

[amber fable]

So its more filler burst now

[verbal frost]

I can't believe we gotta wait

5 months

for these boring ass changes

like 8/21 jobs get changed

hell nah

[thin fox]

what were you expecting

[alpine plover]

lmao no

[torn mesa]

@mossy eagle

[verbal frost]

even 7.3 had fun changes

and it was off patch

[torn mesa]

PLD has become the hardest tank

[daring pine]

do you want them to balance all 21 jobs every time we get a big patch

[thin fox]

wtf do you mean fun changes

[verbal frost]

go look at 7.3 patch notes

[amber fable]

I dunno

[alpine plover]

the entire thing is that you get 1 extra blood lilly in the opener

[torn mesa]

despite having a rework in 6.3 that resulted in probably the single largest difficulty drop off

[alpine plover]

dps wise

it doesnt make whm at all op

the extra 10% mit if anything is the important part

[jolly flume]

whm is actually pretty fine now, mit on plenary is not how I'd have done it because you don't necessarily want those two things at the same time but mit is mit

[daring pine]

tithus kitty!

[alpine plover]

now whm is not objectively the worst anymore

[amber fable]

Beside rdm and whm..most of em are w/e

[daring pine]

viper changes make me laugh

[amber fable]

In terms of changes

[thin fox]

whm needs like a decent 60s mit and it'll at least be not completely despair inducing

[alpine plover]

but people will now aflatus first gcd outside of buffs

[verbal frost]

viper lounge is prob crazy rn

I gotta go check

[jolly flume]

but god what the fuck did they do to gunbreaker

im actually going to do it this time

[verbal frost]

viper is so shit yo

[alpine plover]

marce!

[terse zodiac]

Why would viper lounge care

[verbal frost]

I can't

[rain geode]

wait there are balance changes at well?

[daring pine]

equivalent exchange

[mossy eagle]

I miss my beautiful spreadsheet boi

[verbal frost]

wdym their job just got nerfed for no reason

[torn mesa]

this patch is a W for job balance

[jolly flume]

tanking is dead to me I guess

[amber fable]

Except theres no sheet still

[torn mesa]

but probably a L for job design

[verbal frost]

insanity

[torn mesa]

but guys

8.0 job rework will save it

[terse zodiac]

It literally got buffed for all content that matters

[thin fox]

the gunbreaker changes are just so bizarre

[verbal frost]

the only good buff was white mage probably

lol

[mossy eagle]

But I think (and granted this is comparing such miniscule levels of difficulty), DRK is probably the hardest now by virtue of needing to manage TBN

[thin fox]

why is double down 2 carts again

[daring pine]

gunbreaker got taken out back and shot, viper got buried even deeper in its grave, whm got a small buff, rdm got a range buff on melee, prange got small potency buffs

[verbal frost]

0 black mage changes

[amber fable]

Assuming theres gonna be rework

[verbal frost]

btw

[thin fox]

why didnt they just bring gunbreaker back down to 2 carts

[torn mesa]

WHM buffed massively, phys ranged buffed, RDM buffed

[verbal frost]

red mage is objectively just more dps than black mage now

[mossy eagle]

Trust

[verbal frost]

atp

[torn mesa]

it's all a step in the right direction

[verbal frost]

watch red mage will literally be doing more cdps

[torn mesa]

uh those buffs are nowhere near that big

[terse zodiac]

You have no idea what youre talking about lol

[daring pine]

considering we no longer have manafication stacks that buff our own damage

explain this

[amber fable]

Huh

[daring pine]

manafication stacks are gone

[verbal frost]

wym

[amber fable]

Rdm above blm?

[thin fox]

somehow I don't think red mage is leaping this gap

[amber fable]

What

[daring pine]

it's just 3 stacks of free melee

[verbal frost]

they litreally moved it to embolden

[rain geode]

oh jesus I found it the patch notes they did kinda just say fuck GNB huh.

[verbal frost]

embolden

[daring pine]

right

[verbal frost]

manifaction was only

[daring pine]

but what does embolden do

[verbal frost]

5 moves

[daring pine]

6

[verbal frost]

embolden is the whole

20s

[daring pine]

embolden is a party buff

[verbal frost]

overall OP buff

[daring pine]

which means that the blm would also get buffed

[thin fox]

embolden does a self buff too

its the self buff that got changed

[daring pine]

woh

[thin fox]

like embolden does a separate self buff

[daring pine]

im braindead

[amber fable]

Embolden is self 10% now

[daring pine]

i cant read

[verbal frost]

this a major buff

[daring pine]

help

[verbal frost]

lol

manifiation

was like

5 gcds?

or 6 gcds?

[thin fox]

its a good buff but red mage will not be anywhere near black mage obviously

[amber fable]

But it aint beating blm still

[verbal frost]

this is 20s

of 10% more magic dmg

[daring pine]

yeah its still not beating blm

[verbal frost]

it already was in FRU

[daring pine]

what

[amber fable]

What phase

[verbal frost]

4/5

black mage is only better in p3

[daring pine]

are we gonna be looking at off patch 50th percentile stats again

[verbal frost]

even p5 full uptime red mage has a higher ceiling

[daring pine]

surprisingly not

[verbal frost]

so what is ur point

just go check the logs

[daring pine]

nvm

7.3 stats

loll

[verbal frost]

7.3 the patch where red mage got giga buff

[craggy apex]

cdps?

[verbal frost]

now it got buffed again

red mage prob gonna be competing with picto

I'm ngl

[torn mesa]

7.3 stats for FRU is fine, but it fails to account for context

[amber fable]

Cdps rdps ..they both are fine tbf

[alpine plover]

embolden is a 5% partywide buff and a 5% self magic buff. now the self buff is 10%

it's just more damage for them

chill

[verbal frost]

well reed mage burst is very strong

[thin fox]

definitely not

[jolly flume]

red mage wins p5 because you smuggle gauge, that's not exactly the metric you use for "good damage" in the context of an upcoming savage tier

[verbal frost]

espescially now

[torn mesa]

uh

no

[jolly flume]

lol

[alpine plover]

no

[thin fox]

you are massively overestimating the change lol

[alpine plover]

lmao

[torn mesa]

RDM burst is not strong

LOL

[verbal frost]

I don't think u realize

[amber fable]

1.1÷1.05 thats the actual buff rdm got

[verbal frost]

RDM burst is actually good

[jolly flume]

no I think we realize

[verbal frost]

especially 2min

[thin fox]

the only job chiyo knows about is white mage

[daring pine]

waiting on someone to calculate the damage gain this patch (taking into account the manafication stacks removal)

[jolly flume]

I play this game a little

I think

[verbal frost]

u should go look at red mage the balance chat

[dusk sky]

Also worth noting Manafication’s ranged sword skills is a separate 30s buff

[jolly flume]

I am not stupid

[verbal frost]

they gona be saying te new things

[torn mesa]

just going to show this again

[terse zodiac]

During burst specifically, not overall

[thin fox]

chiyo is new to the game

[verbal frost]

red mage the new best caster fr

[dusk sky]

You can do all your burst sword combos at 25y

[torn mesa]

(sorry to my RDM static mate)

[alpine plover]

rdm will now not suck basically basically

[jolly flume]

yeah you know what

mb

[verbal frost]

???

[jolly flume]

I don't know anything

[alpine plover]

cuz u have melee combo as ranged combo

[mossy eagle]

Ah yes, the bastion of sanity. The balance job channels

[amber fable]

Burst context yea

[daring pine]

now they need to remove reprise

[verbal frost]

red mage was literally doing this in q40 fyi

on patch

but the job sucks apparently

[thin fox]

scientists are still looking for a use for red mage backflip

[dull drum]

ok tbf cooly you lost all credibility when you were glazing mch the other day

[alpine plover]

adps

[dull drum]

look what happened to it today

literally nothing in context of other pranges

[verbal frost]

true

[alpine plover]

yea i kinda think cooly is trolling at this point

[verbal frost]

I didn't think they hate mch

[thin fox]

meet: potential prange!

[verbal frost]

that much

[dull drum]

its literally

90% ragebait

if you play this game

[robust shoal]

poor pranged get 10% nerfed in quantum and se are too stupid to understand the bug report

[verbal frost]

troll how? because I am anticipating a underperforming job to get buffed

[amber fable]

Its feature

[verbal frost]

wasn't anticipating a viper nerf

that's for sure

[amber fable]

Not bug

[rain geode]

I know GNB was overperforming (or at least I believe people when they tell me that) but nerfs seem a bit... extreme?

[amber fable]

Its not nerf

[verbal frost]

GNB wasn't even overperforming

this is more of a rework

[mossy eagle]

GNB got nerfed in both damage and fun lmao

[thin fox]

gunbreaker was overperforming lol

[amber fable]

It got more uses of lion combo

[verbal frost]

this is a rework

[terse zodiac]

Oh no viper is nerfed in dungeons

[alpine plover]

saying everything with a slight buff is now best class and overperforming everything else is kinda awk

[amber fable]

So they reshuffled patency

[verbal frost]

DRK has been doing most tank dmg the whole expansion

[alpine plover]

basically

[torn mesa]

damage is probably evened out

[verbal frost]

that's just objectively true I'm ngl

[alpine plover]

[jolly flume]

tank balance wasn't that bad

didn't need much

[thin fox]

tank balance could be a lot worse but gunbreaker is ahead rn while the other 3 tanks are roughly equal

[mossy eagle]

Ah so just fun then

[verbal frost]

even in 7.05 when drks were complaining

[jolly flume]

gnb didn't need this rework though

[mossy eagle]

Tank balance is fine

[verbal frost]

what metric

[thin fox]

yeah gnb was only slightly overperforming

[amber fable]

Its basically sam nerfs with tsubame changes

[verbal frost]

u don't look at ndps for dark knight

u look at adps

[dull drum]

just wait till baldie finds out what happens to gnb

[amber fable]

More uses and slightly less potency

[verbal frost]

LMAO

[dull drum]

hes about to post a rant video

[jolly flume]

7.05 tsubame wasn't even a nerf really

[thin fox]

savage adps

[verbal frost]

wtf

[torn mesa]

7.05 Tsubame was a buff

[verbal frost]

fake news

[torn mesa]

it was a buff in every sense you could argue

[amber fable]

Overall its a buff

[tall field]

He wanted this change

[thin fox]

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/68?class=Tanks&dpstype=pdps take a look for yourself

[alpine plover]

1min LH and 6 cartridges are cool but literally everything cartridge related was nerfed and not sure if it's worth it

[amber fable]

Nerf in potency but overall change was a buff

[tall field]

He in a video himself told make BF 1min

[alpine plover]

we gotta see ingame

[tall field]

So GNB isnt punished unlike tje other 3

[verbal frost]

7.3 savage is irrelevant tho

what tanks got changed btw

[tall field]

The**

[verbal frost]

what tanks got changed

ummm

7.3?

[alpine plover]

not like you were lacking cartridges in the first place either

[verbal frost]

didn't 7.3 not change any tanks

[thin fox]

ok here's FRU lol

[verbal frost]

so drk is still the best tank probably

[amber fable]

Idk about 6 cart tho

[dull drum]

werent you using

[amber fable]

Its basically more filler burst strike

[dull drum]

7.3 savage

[verbal frost]

drk was doing this on content savage

[dull drum]

as a metric

[verbal frost]

no

[dull drum]

holy ragebait man

[robust shoal]

look at adps when the good ppl are playing

[dull drum]

yes you were

[verbal frost]

I don't use off patch savage

lmao

for mch ye

[dull drum]

you literally did

[verbal frost]

because machinist got a major change

7.3

[verbal frost]

yup

[jolly flume]

major change??

[dull drum]

ok but you still used off patch savage

[jolly flume]

20 potency to tools major change?

[dull drum]

thats literally my point

lmao

[amber fable]

20 potency

Major

True

[jolly flume]

lol.

[verbal frost]

even the dude I was talking with

[torn mesa]

yo

[verbal frost]

admitted I was right

for 2/4

[torn mesa]

20 potency is 4 patches of +5 dia

[tall field]

Whats ur opinion on apex arrow?

Change

[jolly flume]

oh my bad

bard was already the best idk why we're buffing it

[verbal frost]

why are we buffing bard / dnc more than machinist?

lmfao?

[jolly flume]

cool ig

[verbal frost]

these devs are ridiculous

[amber fable]

Who cares

[verbal frost]

bring back prime machinist when it was doing same adps as melee

[torn mesa]

erm

[amber fable]

Just use mch and clear week1

[torn mesa]

prime MCH being HW era I guess

[verbal frost]

type shh

[jolly flume]

yeah idk if you want piercing resist up back

[dull drum]

nah just wait

adds phase

[jolly flume]

you ain't playing reaper in that

[dull drum]

they lock out mch

[jolly flume]

that's for sure

[tall field]

This was rhe change

The***

[dull drum]

thats legit what happened CW week 1

mch locked out of m6s

[thin fox]

it was just u

everyone bl'd you

[jolly flume]

m6s has to this day never been cleared with a mch

[dull drum]

i didnt even mch that tier

i was on bard

[jolly flume]

it's not possible

[dull drum]

[thin fox]

they still bl'd you

[dull drum]

i already predicted before hand

games shit

[jolly flume]

so stella

will mch be meta in 8.0

[dull drum]

nah i gave up hope alr

[alpine plover]

all prangeds got buffed so this buff is ok

[dull drum]

im on warframe now

mch is good in warframe

[alpine plover]

stella carry me in netracells?

[jolly flume]

mch is good in gw2

[ember quartz]

hey louis

[dull drum]

are they hard i thought they seemed fine

[alpine plover]

im coming back to warframe i need at least 1 non braindead teammate to actually clear them

[dull drum]

also dont take my word for opinion because i havent been active on the game since new war lmao

[alpine plover]

[dull drum]

i just derusted

but my builds still shred so thats nice

[jolly flume]

guys

it's 2am and im too angry to sleep

what do I do

[dull drum]

next week is gonna be crazy for WF market

[torn mesa]

peep the fact that this change makes single down GNB look hard

[verbal frost]

mch

LMAOOO

I can't believe I was gassing that job up

[jolly flume]

im going to get the rope..

[verbal frost]

💀

[timid epoch]

don't sleep, patch is in like 2-3 hours

[torn mesa]

I mean

[alpine plover]

yea with the event

but i am playing skong and e33 now

i play warframe later

[torn mesa]

they did improve in job balance as a whole with this patch

they made a ton of ground in fixing the single largest disparity

which was WHM-AST

[jolly flume]

yeah the whm thing is actually generational

but they killed my boy :(

[torn mesa]

no melee was buffed in single target

[jolly flume]

oh well

[torn mesa]

while phys ranged (excluding SMN) and RDM were buffed

to bring that gap down a bit too

[jolly flume]

I think it's time to just embrace healer jail

since pf never fills it anyway

[torn mesa]

get Ruby to heal

and you can melee

[jolly flume]

I wouldn't wish me on melee upon my worst enemy

[torn mesa]

I mean

I wasn't kidding when I said I think reworked** GNB is pretty similar to DRG

if you can play reworked GNB, you can play DRG

[shy obsidian]

I'm gonna sammy as a guy who's fucking terrible at melee DPS
pray for whoever is on my team

[jolly flume]

if I were to roleswap I think I'd unironically want melee but mostly so I can fake rdm I think

I just like that job

[dusk sky]

I’ll prob stick to AST

Eats my cards in the corner

[thin fox]

fake melee black mage

[torn mesa]

if I was to roleswap

[jolly flume]

the one solace I take in this is that setting up some double gnashing pot windows might be kinda cool but by and large i'm so sad

[torn mesa]

I think I would quickly realize

[shy obsidian]

I've learned a job from every role except melee DPS
it's time to sammy like no smamy has ever before >:)

[torn mesa]

I would't want to roleswap now

[valid solar]

I've been having a lot of fun with drg recently so Im hoping Ill vibe with new gnb

Alas I already decided not to tank this tier

So I'll just play it in EX

Maybe take it into DSR to see what's up at level 90

[dusk sky]

I don’t learn savage fights on anything but AST, meanwhile I’ll play everything but AST on EXs, whoops

[thin fox]

heres my thing

I find it easier to play healer in ultimate than ex

[jolly flume]

I mean yeah

that's always been true

[thin fox]

Im just a mitsheet slave

[jolly flume]

healing is piss easy

[thin fox]

[jolly flume]

fixing people doing dumb shit is the hard part

and you have way less room to do that in ultimate when you just blackscreen after someone trolling

[valid solar]

So all they have to do to fix healers is remove body checks from ultimates

[dusk sky]

They should make more mechanics like Quake III in M8S

[thin tartan]

enum (almost)

[dusk sky]

Not a real stack marker, just a straight up body and position check

[thin tartan]

The fact that its survivable is funny

With like 70% mit with shields and tank lb

[robust shoal]

I hate soft enum mechanics

[dusk sky]

Someone dead on transition? Just make sure the 3 stack is on the island they’re rezzing on

And that satisfies the body check

[robust shoal]

Let us undersize them cowards

[alpine plover]

you can also play sch sge

and not have to heal anything

at quake

[torn mesa]

FRU moment

where partner stacks are suggestions

[jolly flume]

double shield is so comfy even in the fights it's not supposed to be comfy in

[dusk sky]

It’s just funny how you can see it’s a body check because rezzing people still satisfies it

[jolly flume]

like dsr holy fuck that fight supposedly needs throughput but you just take no damage with good tool usage

[quick verge]

it only "needs" throughput in p7

this is the opinion since release

[jolly flume]

let us put kardia on the boy

but yeah I mean

extra 10/20% mit on gigas is pretty stupid

am1 with panhaima and 15% extra is turbo sleepo

crazy shit

[alpine plover]

healerless dsr

was pretty good

their monk still died in p7

[jolly flume]

should've hit the ultra potion

[proper cave]

Yoshi says that Gold Saucer and Unreal are getting a little crusty so it's coming up on time to update those.

[jolly flume]

is unreal crusty I don't think it's that bad

the only thing bad is the fights we've had recently

[thin fox]

I imagine its more like

stale

is what he meant

[proper cave]

Ye

[limpid edge]

Wtf did they just ruin gnb

[tired egret]

I'm all in for new Gold Saucer stuff ngl

[jolly flume]

I mean I guess

[proper cave]

It hasn't changed at all since introduction

[jolly flume]

I don't think there's too much wrong with it tho

[jolly flume]

YES SIR

[limpid edge]

Now it's a 1 min job, lame

[jolly flume]

THEY SURE DID

[proper cave]

If they give us a rotator of some kind for Unreal I'll be happy.

[alpine plover]

now only drk needs to living shadow every 1 minute

[limpid edge]

I like gnb cuz it wasn't 1m like war or pld

[alpine plover]

and we are all warrior

[jolly flume]

i liked it because you had to resource plan

now you just jerk off and press bloodfest every minute

can't mess it up

[limpid edge]

But why

[jolly flume]

you still get to press buttons fast which was part of the fun

[whole estuary]

GNB self attack buff is still 2 min right?

[jolly flume]

but this patch kinda nuked 30% of it for me

nah it's 1m

[whole estuary]

Ohh

[limpid edge]

They listened to xeno or something again? Make another tank like war

[jolly flume]

yeah

every tank must be war

tbf that's not just something he asked for

people have been crying about gnb being too hard for ages

[valid solar]

That was never 2m

[jolly flume]

this must be how the blm people felt coming into dt

well i'll just put my hands together and pray scholar doesn't get lobotomized in 8.0 I suppose

the second to last job I genuinely really enjoy playing

[whole estuary]

Their 8.0 capstone is Missipation

[low hearth]

[whole estuary]

The SCH disintegrates and you play as the fairy for 20s

This counts as an invuln

[undone tide]

chat when should i log on in case of early maint end

[alpine plover]

that would actually be omega broken

since ulti downtime phases last a lot

you know what they should do

they should give sages a capstone at 100

they dont have one

[visual geyser]

What the living fuck are these job changes

[jolly flume]

this would be whimsical and peak

[alpine plover]

because philosophia feels like it does absolutely nothing

[undone tide]

you also deal no damage so its useless in savage

[jolly flume]

how about a real 98 trait

or 96?

whichever one the fucking physis trait is

[alpine plover]

[jolly flume]

it's actually insulting that it's the analog to 60s recite

[undone tide]

i wish we got healer dot/damage upgrade

instead of just numbers

[dapper zealot]

I don't even remember philosophia exists until after an opportunity to use it

[undone tide]

i want a new animation

[jolly flume]

I want actual healer gameplay beyond 1

[undone tide]

its mostly used for the healing increase

[jolly flume]

[thin fox]

on everyones SOULS we are cracking the brute bomber redux in m12

[jolly flume]

you are doing what to brute bomber ?

[dapper zealot]

Deal, we'll remove healer 1

[thin fox]

https://tenor.com/view/tongue-mogging-onyx-gif-northernlion-gif-4859045831442555861

you know what we're doing brother

[jolly flume]

maybe it would fix ff healer parsers if the job didn't have a damage button

[undone tide]

who wants to run normals on server up

[low hearth]

gotta craft bro

[undone tide]

don’t care

i’ll get that shit the week before savage

oh no i’ll be low ilvl for the extreme!

[proper cave]

Download available

[undone tide]

what a horrible occurence!!

[jolly flume]

yeah tank player speaking

guy has never died to pf healers

[thin fox]

6gb patch

not too bad

[jolly flume]

man I went into m7s in 740 one week to help friends on my alt and died to the powerslam raidwide like every pull because pressing mit is too hard for like 99% of ff players

[amber fable]

Its basically gatcha for mit

One pull both will mit same mech

Other pull none

[visual geyser]

So are the WHM changes good?

[amber fable]

Yes

[wicked delta]

You know what im going to say

[tired egret]

get to use your strongest DPS move, and 3 MP free GCD Heals

[wicked delta]

[visual geyser]

They start with a free misery?

[jolly flume]

whm changes are like the best thing they've done this expansion by far

[dapper zealot]

and plenary gets 10% mit now

[amber fable]

2x misery opener

[visual geyser]

Oh damn they start with all 3 lilies actually

[wicked delta]

Three lilies and a misery is fucking huge lmao

[tired egret]

yep

[visual geyser]

That’s insane lmao

That’s pretty hype ngl

[jolly flume]

starting with lilies is whatever, starting with a blood lily is good, mit change is massive

you don't want to dump raptures in buffs anyways so starting with 3 is kinda meaningless

[visual geyser]

So they have party mit

[jolly flume]

yeah 10% on plenary

not the ideal way to do it but mit is mit

[amber fable]

More party mit

[jolly flume]

dude whm is literally just going to be a dps in tea now it's kinda funny

it already did like 2300 to a tank's 2000

[amber fable]

Love it when low level meta gets shaken by changes for max level

[jolly flume]

always kinda been the case

[undone tide]

who the fuck cares about low level meta

it actually does not matter

stop giving a shit

sorry

[jolly flume]

like gnb is probably gonna kinda suck at 80 and under now

[undone tide]

rant over

[jolly flume]

cuz they nerfed a lot of the potencies to account for lionheart every minute and such

[undone tide]

every ultimate older than a year dies by sneezing on it

even fru does

[tired egret]

tbh I think low lvl meta does sorta matter

[undone tide]

it doesn’t

[jolly flume]

it doesn't but it still kinda blows to heal the boss

[tired egret]

I just know Dragoon in general sucks until Stormblood

[torn mesa]

FRU had the check of an offpatch ultimate on release

[undone tide]

yes

[amber fable]

At lower level it got 210 potency reduction in gf

[undone tide]

that’s my point

[amber fable]

At max its 240

[jolly flume]

that pull we had with dnc + 2x pct death would've been 0.9% enrage if the lb went off

[tired egret]

and almost everything in ARR sucks ass, even the ARR jobs

[jolly flume]

and that's with people doing not great damage

@torn mesa when are you home tomorrow btw

i'm prob gonna go out and touch some grass for the morning but we can do the msq stuff together or smth when you're back from work

[torn mesa]

I don't have a set time for when I'm off work, but usually around 5

[tired egret]

also for lvl 50 stuff, I just prefer if the fight itself is good over... the jobs being actually good

for that the EX Trials + Coils is good

just the job skill access sucks, but ey, the fight is still neat

[jolly flume]

I mean it's not like we can't have both

but uh

the game is going very far in one direction vs the other

[tired egret]

yeah

[amber fable]

Low level play will be rng based on what se thinks is cool

Looking at vpr vs pct

[tired egret]

yeah Viper & Reaper got the short end of the stick

Picto... why

[amber fable]

Same expac release yet vastly different play feel

[tired egret]

yeah

wierd how one job is better on lower level play

while the other is...

boring as shit

[amber fable]

They dont care

And you know thats fine

Low level shit is irrelevant..but skill acquisition can be better still

[clear plume]

consider: whm opener is now 3 overheal lily spends before buffs go out

and thats funny

[undone tide]

does noble read msq

[rain geode]

game (should) be up in like 2 hours right?

[clear plume]

yes, and confirmed no early

[rain geode]

Well guess it give me time to keep reading my book

[tired egret]

yeah main issue imo

just the skill access

[jolly flume]

surprisingly yes

I didn't think he was the type to

[tired egret]

IMO just balance everything around Lvl 50 skill access

even RDM & Samurai had that going on

[amber fable]

8.0

[sick reef]

no early??

its so joever

[amber fable]

1 hour 40 min more

Hopefully dalamud wont take too long

[alpine plover]

Mom asked me if the dishes were washed and I showed her the new viper changes. She left satisfied, knowing that they were in fact properly washed.

[amber fable]

Vpr changes are weird

But again it depends if 2t boss exist or not

Which is most likely m10

Now if m10 is proper 2t then mch is donezo

[clear plume]

Mch has been done for 2 expansions are u late to the news

[amber fable]

No

But extra tomes and what not

So check shouldn't be hard

[proven pivot]

My friend who mains GNB is on the verge of a breakdown… are the changes good or bad

[robust shoal]

different

seems to be easier to play now and you spend even more time using your carts

[jolly flume]

you just drown in carts now p much

[clear plume]

Anybody who says something is good change or not before experiencing them is the last type of person you should trust on it so

[wicked delta]

Its basically like the black mage fhanges

Changes

[alpine plover]

fhanges

[wicked delta]

Fuck you

[clear plume]

You’re now the dnc of tanks

[proven pivot]

GNB was already that, no shade

[alpine plover]

https://imgur.com/qbgfi7J

[wicked delta]

[amber fable]

The gf having charge is nice tho

[undone tide]

gnb will probably not feel very different

[alpine plover]

i will still play gnb tho

[amber fable]

It will play same mostly

[undone tide]

i honestly think people hyped up its challenge but its really not challenging if you have a semblance of a brain, even in ultimate

[wicked delta]

I dont play gnb so I dont care about these changes whatsoever

But rip to Chiyo

[clear plume]

It’s ok they brought back rough divide right

[jolly flume]

I just don't like

[amber fable]

Real change would have been to not break lh from gf

[alpine plover]

there's some weird techs you can do with gnb like i heard you can send the 1min somewhere in downtime and get an extra use or smth in fru which is pretty cool

[amber fable]

Now that would allow some degen combo

[jolly flume]

the idea that you can't set up a burst window "wrong" now

like you physically cannot fail to have enough carts

which means planning the job around uptime segments is probably kinda dead

[amber fable]

Overcapping instead

[jolly flume]

you can't overcap either

6 carts brother

[clear plume]

Only way to overcap is to intentionally use your 123 when you’re at 6 carts so

[thin fox]

yeah the only way to overcap is if you did it on purpose

[amber fable]

10 sec window to use the 3 extras..only time it will be an issue if boss phases out or burst align with some downtime

[alpine plover]

why does chiyo have the feet tag

[clear plume]

Why not

[hushed eagle]

not a fan of smoothing out all the friction we had in rotations and jobs over time

[jolly flume]

like I gave myself cancer in fru today by spending a cart before utopian sky that I shouldn't have and then I had to drift double down like 6 gcds to compensate

in the new patch you just press bloodfest and it doesn't matter

does it feel "smoother" to play? I guess so but I don't want the answer to "what's the correct thing to do here" to be "it doesn't matter"

that's what ticks me off

[thin fox]

why does the balance let people post datamines for everything except the music

[alpine plover]

datamines are here?

[jolly flume]

music most likely to get legal action ig

[thin fox]

yes

[amber fable]

Se goes anal about music

[thin fox]

people have already mined stuff

[amber fable]

So no music

[wicked delta]

It was different at first but he got trolled

[thin fox]

i haven't looked too deeply but people have looked at mounts/arenas/etc.

[amber fable]

Low rider from m12

Probably

[thin fox]

kind of a baller mount

ngl

https://tenor.com/view/car-car-with-hydraulics-driving-gif-12474605

[amber fable]

Does the wheels bounce

[clear plume]

Soken specifically asked for music to not get posted before it’s context is released because it can ruin people’s experience with it

[jolly flume]

bluetooth sword combo

fire emoji

[amber fable]

Well is rdm still the most complex caster?

[robust shoal]

the music is... something

I don't hear a new favorite track, that's for sure

[clear plume]

And people just respect his artistry enough to not want to go against his wishes, especially when datamining isn’t hard if you want to get it yourself

[thin fox]

not gonna let the wicked thunder fan tell me what's good

[robust shoal]

[thin fox]

it'll be really funny if we get Brute Bomber return

[clear plume]

🐝

[amber fable]

I think m11 will be elf

So m12 can be him

Or well mutated him

[thin fox]

It's definitely gonna be woman -> twins -> elf -> president

[amber fable]

With soul juice

[thin fox]

I'm still gunning on the president being the announcer

imagine instead of normal announcer commentary its the boss doing the commentary as well

could be cool I think

[amber fable]

Well president is a guy

[thin fox]

so theyre mocking you when you make mistakes, etc.

[amber fable]

So can be metem

[thin fox]

Id be surprised if we get to the raid and the president is just

some other g uy

feels like they hid him for a reason

cuz if he was just some random guy I would've assumed they'd show him a little bit

like in the earlier story

[wicked delta]

It being Metem would feel too easy

[thin fox]

its the child

[proper cave]

lol

[clear plume]

Finally primal isn’t dead

[sick reef]

???? wtf

primal alive?

[thin fox]

anyway think Im still set on raid -> gear -> msq

[jolly flume]

aether still fully closed right

[thin fox]

though I might just jump into msq

since gf will be up to play

[jolly flume]

no shot it isn't

[proper cave]

Yeah Aether and Crystal unchanged

[thin fox]

well jump into msq after raid

[jolly flume]

figured

[thin fox]

pools closed

[dapper zealot]

7.4 rdm

[sick reef]

this is their ploy to populate dynamis by 8.0

[clear plume]

I remember when that meme was posted like it was 5m ago

[robust shoal]

actually nvm let it burn is pretty good

[clear plume]

👴

[sick reef]

7.4 rdm guys

[wicked delta]

EVERYTHING BURNS

[dapper zealot]

Smh

[thin fox]

things Im gonna be saying when Im done with the first boss

[wicked delta]

Can someone post it again I don’t get it yet

[robust shoal]

I'm very curious how it relates to the boss still

[sick reef]

so basically its

[thin fox]

I think I saw some speculation that president will merge with a phoenix which will then be how Brute Bomber comes back

so phoenix would lend itself to a fire themed song

[jolly flume]

who pooped in it

[thin fox]

mb

[clear plume]

Well u see the boss is using shinryu which ofc is tied to Zenos soul so it’s a reference to ew msq where he says he will burn everything to paint the lines for your battle with the ashes in the shb post msq cutscene

[jolly flume]

high concept 3

[clear plume]

[jolly flume]

🔥

[dapper zealot]

I can't decide whether I should craft or go do raids first

[thin fox]

I wonder if we get door boss this time

[robust shoal]

just the whole attitude of the song

[thin fox]

I wouldn't mind one

but wouldn't be upset either way

[robust shoal]

feels really weird if it's the president

[wicked delta]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[rapid whale]

so are we happy or angry about the changes

[sick reef]

ye cuz fireboy and lavaboy r the second one right? so will the 12th also be fire themed

[wicked delta]

I think they’re generally good

[jolly flume]

I mean I'm not optimistic for gnb but whm got insanely good buffs

[wicked delta]

Not sure about gunbreaker

[thin fox]

did whm get mit buffs

[wicked delta]

But whm buffs are pretty lit

[thin fox]

or just dmg

[wicked delta]

Yeah

[clear plume]

We learnt whms are actually insane by the amount of them upset over the smallest changes to actively buff their job

[jolly flume]

whm has mit on plenary

[thin fox]

wait what

[wicked delta]

Plenary has 10% mit now

[robust shoal]

gnb changes are another reason not to be hopeful for 8.0

[rapid whale]

????

[thin fox]

that's insane

they LISTENED

[jolly flume]

yeah, if somehow we needed ANOTHER reason lol

whatever, just hope the fights are fun

[robust shoal]

they're making deliberate alterations to a job and somehow they're still making them more streamlined and removing punishments

[fierce matrix]

new music

holy

shit

[robust shoal]

there's no indication they'll suddenly reverse course

[fierce matrix]

peak

[jolly flume]

oh is music out

[rapid whale]

i dont understand the gnb changes, is it basically just "you are busier every 1min" ?

[jolly flume]

can you dmge

[dapper zealot]

Where link

[sick reef]

is music out?

link us up my goat

[thin fox]

my only real bit of hmm re: how this relates to 8.0 is that they might still be willing to do old philosophy for rest of this expansion. i'd be curious to hear them confirm whether these changes reflect their 8.0 attitudes at all.

[jolly flume]

you can't fuck up cartridges in any way shape or form basically

[dapper zealot]

I need to burn everything

[robust shoal]

why didn't you ask when I was talking about listening to it I wanna feel cool

[rapid whale]

wasnt that the whole point of gnb

[jolly flume]

you can't overcap and you can't have too few for a successful burst

kinda yeah

[sick reef]

link us up my goat

[fierce matrix]

datamined

[robust shoal]

no links here, but the xivd datamine thread looks like it has it all

[sick reef]

o

[undone tide]

i’ll wait to hear in game

[versed kayak]

that...seems so incredibly unlikely

[undone tide]

don’t want to spoil it for me

[sick reef]

same ill wait to enjoy peak in raids then

[thin fox]

yeah Ill just wait

[versed kayak]

if 8.0 was such sweeping job changes it'd be better to just not change jobs besides some potency tweaks until then

[clear plume]

Reminder the literal exact same quote where yoship said they’d look at jobs for 8.0 included him saying he’s happy where they are now

[jolly flume]

I'll admit I'm catastrophizing with gnb a little but it really does feel like they just lopped off 30% of the job to me

[amber fable]

90 min more till maint end

[jolly flume]

I'll probably still play it but damn

[clear plume]

It was an actual “we will look at what people are saying” and never a promise

[sick reef]

what are we expecting for 8.0? i dunno too much bout that

[wicked delta]

Plenty of time to eat foodge

[amber fable]

Fuckall

[robust shoal]

the gnb tech I did in m4s is all pretty much nonexistent now

[thin fox]

I don't really agree. It's still justifiable to do some immediate changes just to make the game function as-is.

No reason to leave the game in a state of poor balance when your sweeping changes are over a year away.

[clear plume]

Nobody was saying gnb didn’t function

[versed kayak]

but it already functioned, it's not like gnb was unplayable

[thin fox]

You know what I mean lol

[amber fable]

Gnb is still less lobotomy than blm

[sick reef]

they noob proofed gnb with these changes right

[visual geyser]

I mean I can understand why they did changes like rdm lol

[versed kayak]

or rdm really really needed that ranged combo (maybe the new fights force it idk)

[thin fox]

this game is never truly nonfunctional I just mean that immediate balance changes are not unreasonable

[visual geyser]

Because m7s I have wiped because rdms want to do their melee

And they fucking can’t

[amber fable]

Honestly was cart actually an issue since dt start?

[jolly flume]

rdm suffered from the melee combo a bit in fru and 7 but it was never ever so bad that the job was remotely unplayable

[versed kayak]

sure, potency adjustments are fine
but why delete any thought you had to put into gnb resources

[visual geyser]

Sit in the corner like a good boy

[thin fox]

apparently balance has gnb changes at being ~2% nerf for 2.5 and ~1.5% for fastbreaker

[jolly flume]

carts are always a consideration in any fight with downtime segments

[thin fox]

the only real thing is that gunbreaker is uniquely punished for dying near a one minute

whether that necessitated a change is up to you i'm just saying that's what people say about the job

[jolly flume]

planning your carts in ultimates is a lot of what I liked about the job

[versed kayak]

all jobs lose resources tho? wdym

[amber fable]

They did single down then they walked back on it anyway

[jolly flume]

not "just press bloodfest"

[thin fox]

dark knight can just hit delirium

gunbreaker needs carts going into 1m

[jolly flume]

yeah

you had to set up your windows

[thin fox]

warrior/paladin/dark knight don't need gauge going into 1m

gunbreaker does

[versed kayak]

sure, the solution to that is "don't die"

[jolly flume]

no matter how trivial that might have been

and that's gooooone

[amber fable]

Gnb did had 3 cart for 1m burst

[versed kayak]

we shouldn't be balancing jobs around how punishing dying is

[thin fox]

yes I'm just saying it was uniquely punishing for dying

[amber fable]

Yea it was

[jolly flume]

do you think that's fine though

because I do

[versed kayak]

same

[verbal frost]

fuckk

[thin fox]

death is punishment and punishment is part of design/balance. i'm not saying the change was needed, but it's something to consider.

[amber fable]

Ironically rpr still is that

[verbal frost]

RPR is the FRU goat anyways

[limpid edge]

download is up?

[jolly flume]

I think it's fine for some jobs to give you actual cancer when you fuck up

[thin fox]

yes

dl is up

[verbal frost]

RPR is such FRU king

[jolly flume]

if you don't wanna play those jobs fine

don't play em

[verbal frost]

@jolly flume do you like RPR

[versed kayak]

well now you can just bloodfest and not care besides the 25% stat loss, yay

[verbal frost]

chiyosaka

[thin fox]

rpr is a fru king you just have to be willing to play a boring job that sucks

[jolly flume]

why would I like rpr

[verbal frost]

lies lies lies

[jolly flume]

im not a melee player

[thin fox]

reaper is maybe the least fun melee in the entire game

[jolly flume]

it's also just like 123 the job

[verbal frost]

lies lies lies

that's dragoon

[jagged aspen]

when servers?

[wicked delta]

I like reaper

Dragoon is more fun than reaper be fr

[jolly flume]

dragoon is 12345 the job

[thin fox]

dragoon has a much longer combo to keep up, more ogcds

[jolly flume]

also has more buttons

[verbal frost]

can they add lightning farron to ffxiv plz

reaper is higher apm

[thin fox]

its not complicated but rpr is objectively lesser

[verbal frost]

dragoon is lowest apm out of any melee

[thin fox]

only measuring burst

[daring pine]

honestly i would have preferred if they just made fights not fuck us over but we got a buff so i can't really complain that much

[jagged aspen]

its already on mogstation?

[thin fox]

i love doing 123123123123123123123123123123123123123123123123123123123

[verbal frost]

are you tellin the truth to me?

[wicked delta]

I mean it has been

For ages

[verbal frost]

ty

[jagged aspen]

the hair and stuff

[wicked delta]

Lightning’s gear can only be worn by women though

Iirc

[amber fable]

Since a long time

[verbal frost]

fuck

[amber fable]

Clothes and hair

[verbal frost]

rpr not even 123 like that

stop hating

monk is objectively more 123

[thin fox]

are we pretending

[visual geyser]

I mean they’ve always done this lmao

[thin fox]

that monk's rotation

[amber fable]

I mean all jobs are

Lmao

[thin fox]

is as simple as reaper's

[amber fable]

What even is this

[verbal frost]

reaper rotation is harder anyways

[visual geyser]

That’s a large reason why summoner got changed in the early days

[thin fox]

ok you're baiting nvm

moving on

[verbal frost]

reaper is like 3rd hardest melee

when it comes to non-standard

[jagged aspen]

but fr what time servers

[visual geyser]

Because dying literally made your rotation irreversibly fucked

5 est

Hour

[jolly flume]

I mean that's kinda not really possible tbh, they design fights around 4 melee 4 ranged during mechanics and rdm just happens to be on the wrong side of that split sometimes

[verbal frost]

dying on rpr is pretty bad

ye

[thin fox]

1h4m. no early.

[visual geyser]

Same with bard

[jolly flume]

there's a way around it most of the time anyways

[jagged aspen]

in 1 hour? neat

[verbal frost]

how can they fix that bun bun

[thin fox]

yea

[verbal frost]

idk how

[amber fable]

Yeah its punishing to die on rpr but its same on vpr

[visual geyser]

Idk tbh

[daring pine]

yeah

[amber fable]

Rpr guage gain is lower

[visual geyser]

It’s kinda hard to say