endgame-lounge

[verbal frost]

9-11 min fights

[fierce matrix]

Again

[visual geyser]

Gonna see if I can streak into diamond atleast

[fierce matrix]

Its a cosmetic mount

[verbal frost]

we should not have 12 min enrages in fucking extreme

[tall field]

Is still run but not as much yea

[verbal frost]

12 min enrage

is LITERALLY 3rd floor savage

[fierce matrix]

Why should you just get it

[verbal frost]

well 3rd floor savage is like

ye I think 12m

idk

[tall field]

And?

[amber fable]

I am sure 99% of ex players will want 2 or more totems

[verbal frost]

ppl don't know what is good for them

that's the truth

[thin fox]

extremes are always going to be pretty easy dps check wise and if I start imagining what I would prefer extremes look like I'm just going to go on a tangent about my hypothetical version of the game where field exploration is the way expansion areas work and it takes at least a month to get through the story

[amber fable]

Like nobody will say yes 1 totem for us

[verbal frost]

2 totem in a easy fight

so pf dies

[fierce matrix]

People would want bis from logging in

[verbal frost]

extremely fast

^

literally bro

[fierce matrix]

Ik many people who want 1 totem

[verbal frost]

the playerbase does not know what is good for the game

1 totem is better for the game it's more friendly it keeps players active

[fierce matrix]

Yep

[verbal frost]

and I'm totally fine with grinding out 99 totems

[fierce matrix]

Pretty much

[wheat cloud]

Just gonna remind people to keep it chill. Can already see some of yall getting heated. It's fine to be passionate just remember to keep it classy.

[verbal frost]

if they fight is actually good

[tall field]

They want midcore whatever that is

[amber fable]

Which is ironic that getting full savage gear is faster than tome

[verbal frost]

It's all love here dw

[fierce matrix]

SO TRUE

Augments

Ahhhhg

Fuck you

[thin fox]

no heat here <mr.> moderator

[verbal frost]

like bro

let's be real

most of the community prob wants like 5 totem fights

just so they "get it done faster"

in the first week

they only care about themselves they don't care about the latecomers

[fierce matrix]

Most of the community would prob want to kill it 8 times and get a mount guaranteed

[verbal frost]

Extreme should be the most grindy content imo

[tall field]

Our bald streamer wants savage unlocked in a month

[trim frost]

well. that was easy

[tall field]

Soo?

[verbal frost]

that's literally the whole point

[thin fox]

if the new ex doesn't have stacking weapon coffers like Arkveld I'm going to go undercover at Square Enix and delete Yoshi P's character

[verbal frost]

Okay but this is actually a good take

lol

[fierce matrix]

Okay

Fuck no

[amber fable]

Doesn't help that game did introduced shit like that

So it created an expectation

[verbal frost]

Tier being locked is the whole week cruiserweight put up shit numbers

[fierce matrix]

Savage should be unlocked 2 months

Not 1

[thin fox]

he just wants the tier to end faster so he can go back to drama and reacts zzz

[rapid whale]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-mvp-the-goat-gif-27042870

[wicked delta]

2 months is better

[fierce matrix]

On the .x5

[amber fable]

Odd patch is already late enough

[wicked delta]

1 month is some crack pipe shit sorry 😭😭😭

[verbal frost]

Savage tomes should start unlocking

[trim frost]

i fucking just

[amber fable]

Tbf

[trim frost]

blasted the paladin off the crystal

and won

[verbal frost]

Here's my take

[trim frost]

this shit is so funny

[fierce matrix]

They dont do it on the odd patch

[thin fox]

I think savage unlocking at the odd patch is fine and it doesn't need to be earlier

[fierce matrix]

They do it on the odd patch .x8

[amber fable]

Thats what I am saying

[fierce matrix]

Like 7 months later

[amber fable]

It should be

[verbal frost]

savage tome should start unlocking progressively starting 2nd week

[amber fable]

But its not

[rapid whale]

so

[verbal frost]

the actual tier should unlock

hmmm

ye 2 months is fair

[tawdry delta]

Even patch ex inherently has more longevity than odd patch ex because the weapon is bis for savage prog

[fierce matrix]

2-4 months

[verbal frost]

better than fucking 7 at least

2-4 is wild

[fierce matrix]

Sometime between there

[rapid whale]

my assumption is they leave it open for 7 months cuz they dont want ppl to feel invalidated when they clear

[verbal frost]

it needs to be like 2 months

lmao

[amber fable]

More like 9

[verbal frost]

who cares?

[amber fable]

Patch cycle is longer now

[verbal frost]

bro

[fierce matrix]

Im fine with 4 cause it gives people time to actually experience the checks and prog

[verbal frost]

ima be real

[versed kayak]

why would they feel that wot

[verbal frost]

y'all won't like to hear this

[fierce matrix]

But when its past on patch

Its been 4

[trim frost]

lowkey

[verbal frost]

cruiserweight savage tier is not a sucess at all

[trim frost]

ditto to you

[thin fox]

I think unlocking right on the release of the even patch is fine. At least, I would rather they experiment with doing it there first before going all the way back to something like .5.

[trim frost]

who cares

[rapid whale]

i mean emotions r p illogical

[verbal frost]

and I think that's why they are reflecting how they handle savage

[thin fox]

Going from .38 to .25 would be too much of a jump in one go imo

[amber fable]

Yoshi when he smokes good shit

[fierce matrix]

Clear rates =/= success

[verbal frost]

LHW tier

[thin fox]

It's worth testing an in between number first

[fierce matrix]

This is easily the best feedback they got

[trim frost]

if it makes you so mad go complain on the forums or something and stop ragebaiting here

[verbal frost]

LHW tier in off patch 7.1

has more clears than 7.2 savage

[fierce matrix]

So?

[rapid whale]

??/

[versed kayak]

how

[wicked delta]

You’re comparing it to a tier that has an ult

[rapid whale]

lhw was literally the easiest tier they have ever made

[wicked delta]

I think that makes a big fucking difference man

[thin fox]

idk how to tell you this but the next tier is going to probably have even fewer clears than Cruiserweight lol

[verbal frost]

u are overvaluing

[versed kayak]

FRU BiS and it's easy

[verbal frost]

crusierweight tier is not that hard

it's multiple factors

right

[rapid whale]

nobody said its that hard

[verbal frost]

BiS is useless

[wicked delta]

Compared to LHW it absolutely is

[rapid whale]

we are saying lhw is that easy

[tawdry delta]

Nah there's an ulti in 7.5

[verbal frost]

tier is locked for too long

savage tomes are too hard to get

there is so many factors

and that is why they are reflecting prob

because if u look at endwalker for example

[amber fable]

Thats...what

[thin fox]

I could see the natural dropoff over the course of an expansion outpacing this difference considering that people were doing CW for a long time assuming there'd be an ultimate

[verbal frost]

Abyssos almost had more clears

than Asphodelos

actually I tihnk it did have more clears

[amber fable]

Abyssos had top too

[verbal frost]

let me show u the data

[rapid whale]

yoshi p said in an interview w/ famitsu 7.5 ulti is 100% a go

[verbal frost]

did asphodelos not have DSR?

[versed kayak]

gearing is definitely ass which is why I don't bother
But I don't think they're reflecting on anything because CW was (supposedly) bad or something

[amber fable]

Did anab had more clears?

[thin fox]

Remember that people did not know that there'd be no .3 ultimate until fairly deep into .2

[rapid whale]

1st tier is always easiest

[verbal frost]

let me check the data

rq

[rapid whale]

thats just the way it is

[fierce matrix]

You have a piss easy tier which was criticized, on the start of the expansion where more people play, at a point where there is FRU coming which is a long awaited ultimate vs a non ultimate raid tier in the middle of the expansion and a mid tier savage patch where its always the hardest. The feedback has been insanely positive which doesn't matter if the clear rates were lower.

Again

Just looking at stats is not really good if you dont know the context

[verbal frost]

Here's the outlook rn

[fierce matrix]

Okay, this doesnt matter

[fierce matrix]

Posting clears really has no value

[verbal frost]

It's data

[fierce matrix]

If you think it has value you lost the plot here

[thin fox]

these numbers mean nothing out of context

[amber fable]

Se doesn't even care about that

[fierce matrix]

You have to add context

[amber fable]

Or ult wouldnt exist

[verbal frost]

b/c

[fierce matrix]

Which i did

[verbal frost]

when savage tier

has relevant fight

to use the BiS in

it will be more active

[fierce matrix]

And again, clear rates do not matter

[verbal frost]

that is why cruiserweight tier is a failure

they should have delayed chaotic until 7.3

[fierce matrix]

No its not LOL

[rapid whale]

if anything se is incentivized to make savage even easier so more ppl interact with it if going strictly off numbers

[verbal frost]

cruiserweight is a fun tier

notthing amazing imo

but it's fun

[wicked delta]

A failure ahahahaha oh my goodness

[verbal frost]

it deserved to have more players

[wicked delta]

You’re a funny guy

[amber fable]

Bro is smoking something good here

[thin fox]

any time you talk about 'how many people do x content' you have to consider e.g. how many people are playing the game. if 100k people are doing the content, and there are 1m playing the game (10%). that's better than 500k people doing the content and 10m people playing the game (5%).

[verbal frost]

but when you tie

[fierce matrix]

Its literally the best tier they have made in 2 expansions

[versed kayak]

maybe for people that only care about number go up

[verbal frost]

0 content that is worth getting BiS for

how is the tier going to succeed?

[fierce matrix]

Brother what does that have anything to do with succeeding

[thin fox]

you are posting random contextless numbers!!

you do not understand how this works!!

[fierce matrix]

What is your definition of succeeding

[versed kayak]

if you don't care for the fun of a fight and only care about getting more ilvl then sure it's a failure

[amber fable]

By being fun to play?

Idk man

[verbal frost]

Retaining player engagement

[fierce matrix]

Thats a bad definition

[amber fable]

That seems most important

[fierce matrix]

Just really bad

[thin fox]

you don't even know if its retaining engagement

[verbal frost]

FRU is a success

[thin fox]

because you aren't contextualising

ANY

[verbal frost]

even if ppl don't like it

[thin fox]

of this data

[verbal frost]

it's the most popular ultimate

SQEX only cares about the numbers

[amber fable]

Se will see fflogs data and say we doing bad

Surely

[thin fox]

YOU DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS

[versed kayak]

by what metrics

[thin fox]

IS WHAT I AM SAYING

[fierce matrix]

FRU is not a success and alot of people do not like it

[thin fox]

[amber fable]

Surely they dont have internal metrics

[amber fable]

Real big brain thoughts

[fierce matrix]

Just because shit is cleared and cleared continously doesnt mean it's a success

[verbal frost]

Is my logic flawed?

[thin fox]

Yes!!

[fierce matrix]

Again your metric is flawed yes

[amber fable]

Yes

[thin fox]

I am explaining it to you!!

[verbal frost]

Okay, I will listen.

[thin fox]

Let's say you have two pieces of content. One piece has 100k people do it, the other 500k. Which content is more successful?

[verbal frost]

depends

relative to difficulty

[thin fox]

Let's assume roughly equal difficulty content

[verbal frost]

if equal party size

8 man

[fierce matrix]

Ill type something too but I wait till inx types

[verbal frost]

obv 500k

500k is insane amount of engagement for a fight

[thin fox]

Well, what if I told you that for the first piece, only 1m people were playing the game. And for the 500k, there were 10m people playing the game?

[verbal frost]

that's not realistic tho

[thin fox]

So 10% of people are doing the first content, and only 5% are doing the second.

Now which is more successful?

[verbal frost]

ye ppl might call dawntrail dead right now

it's still a very popular mmo

[thin fox]

The numbers are made up to make a point.

[verbal frost]

and the playerbase is coming back

[fierce matrix]

btw

lucky bancho census

[thin fox]

My point being that you have to contextualise engagement numbers with overall player metrics.

[verbal frost]

okay but

the dropoff could be worse

[fierce matrix]

to add context to your numbers

[verbal frost]

that's what I'm saying

[fierce matrix]

the dropoff is literally the worst in the games history

[thin fox]

Just because there is a lower absolute number of people engaging with a piece of content, it could still be getting engagement from a higher % of the playerbase.

[verbal frost]

ngl being back to stormblood numbers makes me sick

shit is gross man

2017

[thin fox]

So Cruiserweight might only be getting half of the unique clears, but it might be getting double of the existing playerbase's attention.

[verbal frost]

You think so?

[thin fox]

My point is that it could be

[verbal frost]

IDK only they have the data like you said ultimately

[amber fable]

How many people do savage?

[verbal frost]

I really don't think so tho

[thin fox]

And that without this information, we can't make declarations about its success

[verbal frost]

like

[amber fable]

Do you have numbers

[verbal frost]

abyssos is objectively harder than asphodelos

it had the worst dps check in ages p8

and it still had around the same clearrates

[thin fox]

Maybe you are right. Maybe Cruiserweight is being engaged by an even lower % of the overall playerbase than Light-heavyweight. My contention is that your data does not clarify this, and thus you cannot make statements about its success.

[verbal frost]

so we can probably assume engagement was similar

[thin fox]

So even if you are correct, you don't actually have a way to know this.

[verbal frost]

ye ik

never was claiming that I will never know

just using the public data it's the only thing I can use

but what I will say

Golbez was harder than Rubicante and way more notorious in PF

and it still had THAT many more clears

there must be a reason for that imo.

[thin fox]

In general there are a lot of factors you have to consider when you're trying to judge how successful a piece of content is. You have to contextualise engagement. Is it fair to judge an even patch extreme against an odd patch extreme, even though even patch extremes offer natural incentives to engage with them due to their relation to savage content?

[verbal frost]

Sphene vs Zelenia is similar argument

since Zelenia was actually pretty chill in pf

but Sphene still had more clears

[thin fox]

You have to consider the patch cycle, the expansion lifecycle

The player base

Why people might engage with a piece of content

[verbal frost]

ye

[thin fox]

Sphene might look off because she's still so high, but she at least has the benefit of still being towards the beginning of the expansion. If Sphene was released as-is but in 7.5 instead of 7.1, the numbers would probably be much lower.

[verbal frost]

why they making odd patch extreme 2 totem then it make no sense

if they are less active already

[fierce matrix]

Another thing I want to bring up is that just because more people played content doesn't mean its a success. Just like Inx said, relative to the playerbase. But you also need to add context to the feedback given to the content given. If 500k do the content but fucking hate it overall vs 100k people who enjoy it overall and want more of it, how do you take that? Engagement with content isn't entirely the best metric as something like LHW was easier to get into and you had an extra week for prep and you only really had people waiting for that after MSQ/Leveling. Whereas when you look at CW you had all the content of the previous patches which split time away, on top of the increase of difficulty and lack of players due to the increased patch time. Not only that, but you have the feedback where players thought LHW was too easy and then CW had a larger difficulty and people enjoyed that on top of adds in fights like M6S (to the casuals dismay). Savage being harder and casuals being upset isn't a failure. Content shouldn't be made for everyone and gatekeeping SHOULD be done. Just because more people clear it doesn't mean jack shit because if its rewarding and engaging content in general, then its more valuable than braindead fights where more people can clear.

[verbal frost]

shit just gonna be dead in pf like it is rn

[thin fox]

I generally do not pretend to understand the nature of their rationale over what fights get how many totems

[verbal frost]

do u agree tho every fight should just be 1 totem unless it is actually warranted 2 totem

[thin fox]

Though either way it seems like, based on the Live Letter, they're not happy with the "1 vs 2 totem" system, and want to change it

[verbal frost]

like hades or golbez extreme

[fierce matrix]

no matter how many totems a fight has it would be dead rn

[verbal frost]

no b/c

valigarmanda and zoraal and zelenia were active the whole patch

[round hazel]

[thin fox]

I'm not super interested in prescribing how many totems the fights should have considering it sounds like they're going to be moving to a different system at some point anyway

Though I imagine such a change would be pushed back to 8.0

[verbal frost]

ye

[fierce matrix]

Its like there were more people playing the game and no content outside of savage

again

context

[thin fox]

Even if they finished the change early, I imagine they would want to wait for a new batch of extremes to try it on, rather than having Dawntrail used a mixture of systems

[fierce matrix]

on expansion launch, all you have is MSQ, EX and Savage

thats it

[verbal frost]

ye

[fierce matrix]

where as on other patches you have additions to Exploration zones, Crafting zones, DD, and all the other content

which take up a LOT more time

[verbal frost]

I just want extreme to feel fun again this is why I am saying this

it's hard to pf this stuff

[fierce matrix]

EX isn't gonna feel fun anymore just by increasing totem count

[verbal frost]

b/c I literally watched necron extreme die

in 2 weeks

[fierce matrix]

thats gonna need fight design to change

[verbal frost]

literally 2 weeks it was crazy

[amber fable]

Off patch

Boring

Bored

There's your context

[fierce matrix]

Yeah again, you are also using a lot of things that don't really factor into a lot of stuff. Now, tbf, 1 totem would extend it out. But maybe like a week

[verbal frost]

Doom Train is 2 totem right?

[fierce matrix]

[verbal frost]

I just can't help but think it's a mistake if it's truly 2 totem, after viewing the trends.

[fierce matrix]

You aren't looking at the trends properly tho

[verbal frost]

do you think ex6 can hit golbez numbers?

I want that level of engagement

[fierce matrix]

No

because the expansion is dying

[verbal frost]

this patch has a lot of hype so it feels like we might be back

[fierce matrix]

and I don't think anything will fix it outside of like Fanfest

[verbal frost]

but this patch has a lot of hype I feel like no?

[trim frost]

no

doomtrain is not as iconic as golbez

[wicked delta]

And thats valid to feel that way but you can’t talk about an issue if you don’t fully understand why things are that way

[verbal frost]

everything burns

that type shit

[alpine plover]

exactly and this is why they flopped with forked SO BAD.

Instead of making it like an extreme or smth easy to medium, they made an ultimate fight with 3 consecutive body checks where if one person does a mistake on boss 2 it's a wipe.

And you cannot just go again, no no, you have to relevel and reinstance and whatnot, and they this is AFTER they made SOME CHANGES to instancing.

And guess what, all people who wanted harder content finished it and then they never play it again, while ocult players who camp there dread the body check like the plague

Everyone wanted dalriada/castrum or Delubrum, and instead we got Ultimate field op where 24 players cannot carry 24 newbies because of some bosses

[wicked delta]

You’re just constantly sending screenshots of data while not actually understanding what it means

[verbal frost]

Don't get me started on occult croissant bruh I could rant about that garbage all day

[fierce matrix]

[verbal frost]

but that was more of a 7.2 rant

[fierce matrix]

You gotta look at feedback

[verbal frost]

it's so boring to talk about now

same as 7.0 msq

[fierce matrix]

thats deteriministic of a failure and a success

not these stats

[verbal frost]

I like to talk about current issues

job balance, design, trends.

[alpine plover]

[amber fable]

We all did bruv

[fierce matrix]

bro

[amber fable]

Like 1000 times already

[fierce matrix]

the horse has been beaten

[verbal frost]

ig if new forked tower is shit

[fierce matrix]

we are all doomers here

[verbal frost]

but I doubt it

[loud swift]

if wuk lamat doesn't suplex the doom train i'll be severely disappointed

[fierce matrix]

atleast they listened and are adding a normal and harder difficulty

[verbal frost]

I'm all for it atp

[verbal frost]

just make the vibe fun

[trim frost]

colon three

[fierce matrix]

i want wuk lamat to get suplexxed by the train

[verbal frost]

Doom Train looks fucking lit tho I ain't gonna lie

[verbal frost]

holy shit

[fierce matrix]

pls and ty

[fierce matrix]

who hurt you?

[verbal frost]

delete this u finna get banned

this not the server to be posting this in

[loud swift]

if no one gets suplexxed i'll be sad

[visual geyser]

astro is so fucking broken

why

whyyy

[verbal frost]

raidbuff stacking

[visual geyser]

!pvpaction macrocosmos

[storm frost]

**Macrocosmos** : Astrologian (30.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 10,000 to all nearby enemies.
Additional Effect: Grants Macrocosmos to self and all nearby party members
Duration: 10s
Action changes to Microcosmos upon execution.
For the effect's duration, 20% of damage taken is compiled.
Restores HP equal to a cure of 4,000 potency plus compiled damage when the effect expires or upon execution of Microcosmos.
This action does not share a recast timer with any other actions.

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[visual geyser]

fuck off man

[verbal frost]

bullshit aoe move in pvp

[visual geyser]

!pvpaction epicenter

[trim frost]

are you still hardstuck gold

[storm frost]

Error!

Action not found, Kupo!

[verbal frost]

they need to make

[visual geyser]

wow

[verbal frost]

CC and FL balance different

[visual geyser]

plat

[verbal frost]

but they never will probably

[trim frost]

oh

hey that's an improvement though

[verbal frost]

or at least

purely balance around CC

[alpine plover]

lord of crowns

[trim frost]

i won one (1) game and now i'm satisfied

[alpine plover]

send lord into the enemy team

say mb

then tp back

???

profit

[verbal frost]

I stopped playing pvp ever since that dogshit purify / guard change

[wicked delta]

No

[verbal frost]

melees just get shit on now

it's like marvel rivals they just nerf dive and buff supports

[wicked delta]

If I get banned for sending woke lamat then I will gladly become a martyr

[verbal frost]

bro this is western community u will get lynched

just be careful

[visual geyser]

real!

[loud swift]

i will be woke with lamat

i am so awake right now

[wicked delta]

So true

[verbal frost]

I ain't even mad if she in msq I just care about good writing

[wicked delta]

Im on #woke shit

[verbal frost]

unfortunately it's too late to give her good writing unless you revise 7.0 msq completely

[loud swift]

it's so funny seeing people complain about her like she's the most evil thing to ever come to the game

[amber fable]

Its been so long since I logged on...i forgot what was going even at msq

[verbal frost]

this is not a Lyse situation she was never written bad she was a side character

[amber fable]

Might have to read it back

[wicked delta]

Alexandrians drank the koolaid

[alpine plover]

bro i had more content in any one of the gachas i play than ff had in 14 years

[verbal frost]

we get one savage tier a year at this point

[wicked delta]

Then spawned in a primal

And wol aura farmed on Calyx anyway

[verbal frost]

2023 anabaseios 2024 lhw 2025 cw 2027 hw

[amber fable]

Yeah..its coming back now

[alpine plover]

i completely forgot what we do in this msq in dt

😭

[verbal frost]

if they went bakc to like

[wicked delta]

We aura farm

[verbal frost]

4 month patch cycle

game would be way healthier

even if they rush updates

[wicked delta]

On an immortal 15 year old

[verbal frost]

I don't understand why they can't tbh

[alpine plover]

gg

[amber fable]

Dead kid

More like

[verbal frost]

considering half the content in a patch is literally released later anyways

so like ???

[wicked delta]

True

Undead?

Can you call Calyx AI

[visual geyser]

Tulioyalal map is actual dogshit

games fucking awful man

[alpine plover]

well at least the actual content in dt is okay

[verbal frost]

Dawntrail is QoL update

[wicked delta]

I love DT content lol

[verbal frost]

did you see the patch notes for 7.4?

actually good QoL

[amber fable]

Dt content is good overall

[wicked delta]

Endwalker was the most miserable expansion ive played

[amber fable]

Can it be better? Sure

[verbal frost]

dt content is fine

[wicked delta]

[amber fable]

But its enjoyable

[verbal frost]

but dt def had failures

[amber fable]

Nonetheless

[verbal frost]

I think V&C will flop again personally

V&C will probably be good content but it will be dead like Quantum

which is a shame

similar to Chaotic but Chaotic is not in that same boat it's active

[amber fable]

Again what will it give

The reaward matters

[verbal frost]

rewards don't even matter

it's the ease to queue in

[amber fable]

It does lmao

[verbal frost]

Variant needs to be in roulette probably

for it to be actual active content

Criterion is rewards I will agree with that

[alpine plover]

ngl i think i will take a long ass break from 14 after this next tier and ultimate

[verbal frost]

isn't 7.5 - 8.0

like almost a year?

[amber fable]

I will probably sub at 8.55

[verbal frost]

or smth

[amber fable]

Next expac

Get all content at once

[verbal frost]

7.5 could be lit if they sneak in another V&C or Chaotic

that will show if they really do care

but I doubt it

It seems like we will only get one V&C per expansion now

[amber fable]

Chaotic is unlikely this expansion

[loud swift]

instead play all the previous final fantasy games

[verbal frost]

this one seems like it has a way higher budget

than the other ones

[versed kayak]

if they cared they wouldn't have deleted trash mobs from criterion

[verbal frost]

or am I wrong?

[amber fable]

Since they need ult designers

For that

[verbal frost]

like the heavily advertised

this V&C

[verbal frost]

Criterion Savage had no reason to go if we being real it's just more content and a extra challenge

rewards never had to be good

[amber fable]

Good thinking

[verbal frost]

Criterion should lead more midcore while Criterion savage is just a scaled up hardcore content

that's what Quantum is the issue is Quantum was aimed to be accesible to casuals said by Yoshi himself

[amber fable]

What he says vs what community feels

Is very different

[verbal frost]

Q15 is like low end savage idk what they were thinking

[amber fable]

Anywho..we will know when it drops

[alpine plover]

what i feel is that savage gearing is beyond dogshit and it should explode

[verbal frost]

b/c I recall yoshi being like

[alpine plover]

i mean... meow

[verbal frost]

"quantum is made for both casuals and raiders"

or something along that line

[amber fable]

Gearing in general in this game sucks

[visual geyser]

If you want to do an easier quantuam do the normal boss bro

lmfao

[verbal frost]

honestly? I'm fine with the gearing

[amber fable]

Numbers go up stop being fun after a point

I genuinely dont care about bis anymore as such

[verbal frost]

gearing honestly on my lesser concerns rn

they did it worse in ff16 which is a single player game

but like

the easiness of getting gear is def a issue

[versed kayak]

I'm just glad you can clear things on min ilvl so I don't have to bother with gearing

[verbal frost]

if that's what u mean

like I think u should realistically be able to get BiS for all 5 roles

if you really wanted to

in under like... 35 clears?

[amber fable]

I cant even play all sks stat on tank melee

[verbal frost]

or smth

well

[alpine plover]

yea and you need weeks if not months to get your bis

[verbal frost]

35 is too much

wtf

I'm wild

like 20 lmao

5 months

[alpine plover]

simply because you are timelocked

that's very dogshit

[verbal frost]

if ppl actually found it realistic

to get alt job gear

they would play the content more

[amber fable]

Overall the very binary nature of how gears are statted

[verbal frost]

but right now it's borderline impossible

since you have a combination of bullshit tome progression

[amber fable]

Means you will more or less have same stat build

Every tier

[verbal frost]

400 tome cap

every week

until next patch

[amber fable]

Just bigger number

[verbal frost]

which is horrible lbr

then u have tier being locked

alongside "if I go straight into m8s I can't do the other fights for the week"

which is just a horrible system but that's just my take

you're just making people not want to grind outside statics and less ppl will engage

honestly I think they should fully unrestrict stuff that is how I would handle it

[amber fable]

People skip floors

[verbal frost]

after you get first time clears

you can dive into any of the fights without doing the previous

without being locked out

it's more convenient for statics and individual static members would be more compelled to help their pf friends clear since it will be full loot

[wicked delta]

Didnt you skip M7 lmao

[amber fable]

Yes

[verbal frost]

that's just bullshit imo

you should def have to clear each fight once

that should be a requirement

but after that they should really drop the other restrictions

[amber fable]

Early week you want anyway

Cuz gearing

Later on

I dont think it matters

I usually despise 3rd floors anyway

[alpine plover]

wait

[verbal frost]

So ye I think just

honest to god the tier should never be locked in the first place

after u get the original first time clears

it just fundamentally makes no sense if SQEX wants more player engagement

[alpine plover]

hmm

can i cook a glam with this new tier's gear

[verbal frost]

maybe they can do a system similar to chaotic also

if you help a new player clear you get an extra book or something

and start doing that after like the 4th week or so

since after the 4th week who really cares who is first and who is last? the race is over

[verbal frost]

it does look nice

[wicked delta]

I wouldn’t care about the gearing system if it didn’t actively fuck me over if I wanted to play with my friends lol

[verbal frost]

mmm when I said gearing I meant more like the actual stats and stuff

the actual getting the gear process is shit it's always been a top complaint of mine

horrible system

even extends to the ILSync bullshit that has ruined the game completely as the years went on

think the ease of getting gear is horrible at an entry level also

like if you want to start savage it's a mess to get gear and not clear at all

[alpine plover]

[wicked delta]

[rapid whale]

simply win gear

[verbal frost]

guarenteed loot might be the move

[amber fable]

Savage gearing isnt even issue bruh

The tomes is the biggest moronic time gated system

And even more stupid is the cap

[daring pine]

@rapid whale @wicked delta @versed kayak IM FREE

[valid solar]

[wicked delta]

Congrats!!!

1 day before patch drop lol

[daring pine]

but

i forgot to set df to lm

:)

and dancer stole coffer

i reported

[wicked delta]

Its fine crafted gear soonge

[daring pine]

ye

i just wanted weapon for the sake of it

i brought it up to the party too and they all passed except for this greedy little prick

[rapid whale]

congrats

[daring pine]

apparently gms are pretty quick

so im just sitting in gridania

[rapid whale]

i mean

did you pay

if pay and they took thats bad yea

[daring pine]

yeah i did

i didnt realise until i checked my inventory

and i was like

wait

then i checked chat logs and i was like oh this motherfucker

[amber fable]

Got robbed in plain sight

[daring pine]

💔

always the dancers

[valid solar]

so they just took it, took your gil, and then just didnt say anything ?

[daring pine]

yes

[valid solar]

damn when that happened to me at least they didnt take the gil

actual bandit

[wicked delta]

What an asshole

[daring pine]

dancer had all greys this tier too

crazy

bottom feeding bandit

[versed kayak]

yayyy! congrats ^^

[verbal frost]

LOL

[robust shoal]

23 hours til we can free Eutrope from the Psychonekrosis Tube

[dapper zealot]

Why can't she just use electrope to free herself smh

It has many uses

[zealous meteor]

why doesn't howling blade use fenrir to free her

its power can be used in surprising ways, after all

[rapid whale]

If she's m12s will you be happy or sad

[tired egret]

He definetly used it all up, also it was the only thing saving him from that yee yee ass haircut of his

[robust shoal]

she won't be but I'd be so excited

[thin fox]

how many scrips should I prep

[trim frost]

m12s is just gonna be Address Me

[thin fox]

should I just get to 4k or should I do more

[rapid whale]

I have about 30k prepped

[zealous meteor]

m12s phase 2 will be greg. manifesting

[trim frost]

you can prep more with collectables n stuff

[thin fox]

final boss of being unemployed

[trim frost]

if you really care about maxing out on whatever scrip item is relevant asap

[zealous meteor]

....we want crafting scrips, right?

[rapid whale]

I make tacos wdym unemployed

[zealous meteor]

i am extremely employed. i have 22 jobs

[thin fox]

I'll probs do about 15k worth

so about 105 total crafts

@rapid whale

trying to remember what's the normal ish stuff to prep

just 98 hq precrafts + scrips?

and sand

or am I meant to prep other stuff

[heady flare]

level 98 precrafts can be done during the patch, i won't mind

you got sand covered

you need to prep Condensed Solution too

[zealous meteor]

i hate aethersand. it's coarse, rough, irritating, and it gets everywhere

[heady flare]

125 orange scrips each

[thin fox]

do I need scrips for shit other than condensed solution

[heady flare]

yes, food always have 1 scrip ingredient

[zealous meteor]

current tier's food required scrip mats right?

[rapid whale]

hell yeah

[thin fox]

you think Im a bum who makes food

[heady flare]

but they are relatively cheap, i think 15 scrips each

[thin fox]

let me see if I have spare cosmocredits to turn into extra solutions

what are the solutions even for again does gear use them

[rapid whale]

yea

the gemsap should

[thin fox]

its not many right

Im crafting for myself / friends and not industrial amounts

[heady flare]

yeah since each Condensed Solution yields 3 gemsaps

for personal use you shouldn't need much, maybe 30 ish

[rapid whale]

1 sand 1 condensed 1 (probably) nopali tender 1 plant

o nopaliflower mb

[thin fox]

ok so outside of

condensed solution / 98 precrafts / aethersand / scrips

there's nothing 2 wry about

I think

[rapid whale]

yea

ultimate u got 3 weeks

only reason i go hard is because i expect prices to be big day 1

even tho theres no need to rush

so i sell em day 1 then buy back cheaper

ez profits

[amber fable]

Day 1 mb savage

[rapid whale]

p much

[amber fable]

I am sure day 2 will be dead

[thin fox]

idk if I need money Ill harass my fc leader into giving me money from our subs

[rapid whale]

gg

inx more like leech

[thin fox]

imagine crafting for money

bum central

[rapid whale]

imagine begging for gil LITERAL BUM

[heady flare]

r/eorzeabets mindset

[rapid whale]

HODL

i shoulda hodl'd those chaotic hairs

i thought ppl buying like 20 of them at a time at 10m were fools

but i was the fool....

[sick reef]

we wont need masons next patch right

[rapid whale]

i dont think so

if im wrong oops

[sick reef]

good cuz someone panic bought all my masons made me 5m LMAO

if we r wrong gg

[heady flare]

yeah outside of ilvl 750 doh dol gear it should not have any other uses

[sick reef]

i love panic buyers

[amber fable]

Gonna get scrip gear

[thin fox]

ur lowkenuinely just begging the mb for gil

ur begging society, not just 1 person

[heady flare]

i remember in EW i had no uses for Gripgel either after crafting my indagator gear

[thin fox]

bum minmaxxing over here

[tired egret]

🙌 💎

[amber fable]

And make it all free with cousin

[rapid whale]

call me an influencer atp

[sick reef]

gambling hoping pre crafts prices spike post patch, rn theyre ass

[rapid whale]

they should spike a lil but realistically not much volume since the ppl who will use them en masse prepped alr

[amber fable]

Materia prices probably will remain higher

[sick reef]

that too

[rapid whale]

yea

[heady flare]

the 3 week prep time made a lot of people be economical with their money

[thin fox]

is levinchrome the new sand

[sick reef]

we r lookin good

[sick reef]

yea

[rapid whale]

yea

[amber fable]

Week 1 raidlog parse with penta

[thin fox]

ok i have 300 of it i'm good

[amber fable]

I have 10

[heady flare]

half my clients next patch only want incomplete sets, or unmelded sets

[sick reef]

u can get like 100 every hour

[sick reef]

makes sense

[boreal pumice]

Made about 20 mil in materia sales

[sick reef]

we will have like what? 3-4 pieces of tome gear?

[rapid whale]

yea

[amber fable]

4 weeks tome

[rapid whale]

plus ex weap

[novel garden]

I have like 700

[sick reef]

yea

[amber fable]

1800 should get you chest and legs

[sick reef]

itll be sleeper for weps except for glam ig

[heady flare]

we will have 1800 of capped tome on day 1 savage

[thin fox]

ok apparently I just had 36 solution on me

[wicked delta]

Bro

[thin fox]

I need 2 go through my retainers

[sick reef]

time to look up whm cane and mass produce for all the girlies

[boreal pumice]

Hear that Tobi a new cane for you

[amber fable]

I havent logged in since june

Well beside free campaign

[wicked delta]

Id rather have you call me a slur

Im not touching healers ever again

[amber fable]

W*m prog

[boreal pumice]

You know I can do that whm

[rapid whale]

was it fun being blamed for every wipe even tho ppl took avoidable dmg

[heady flare]

do you know Specter can heal xD

[wicked delta]

If I shared my thoughts I would get banned from this server

[boreal pumice]

Think you can buy some solutions from the beast tribe if you spare currency

[heady flare]

that's not condensed solution, that's mason's abrasive

[thin fox]

ok

[sick reef]

which one?

[thin fox]

heres my plan

[zealous meteor]

ok white mage

[thin fox]

this is probably enough for my purposes

[sick reef]

yea its abrasive from the yok huy or whatever

[wicked delta]

https://tenor.com/view/violence-cat-speed-cat-slap-gif-1134650139805887121

[sick reef]

should be

[alpine plover]

[thin fox]

I am making

[alpine plover]

healers

[thin fox]

uh

let me figure out

[zealous meteor]

whoa a white mage

[wicked delta]

Im avoiding responsibility like an absent father

So I will not heal again

[queen raft]

So y'all think Aether and Crystal will still be congested tomorrow?

[sick reef]

100%

[boreal pumice]

Ofc

[rapid whale]

welcome to dps life

[alpine plover]

yes

[wicked delta]

Yeah lol

[boreal pumice]

It’s patch day

[queen raft]

What about any of primal?

[alpine plover]

this is the shb ultimate patch bis dawg

[sick reef]

unlikely lol

[alpine plover]

people WILL come back

[zealous meteor]

hey tobi at least you're a good white mage

[wicked delta]

Who gives a shit about primal

[heady flare]

at least that was not a gay parse

[wicked delta]

[thin fox]

i am making (not all of this needs to be done before savage but 3 sets of it does)

• 3x tank
• 3x caster
• 2x prange
• 1x healing
• 1x maiming
• 1x scouting
• 1x striking

[rapid whale]

dam you cleared m8s?

[zealous meteor]

no that's jeuno

[rapid whale]

oh

[wicked delta]

No lol

[alpine plover]

yoooo congratz @daring pine

[queen raft]

I'd figure at least a few of primal's worlds would be congested since new players were forced to make characters in primal and Dynamis

[rapid whale]

ngl alliance raids might unironically be a better representation of the population at large lol

since everyone does em

[sick reef]

famfreak will stay open im sure

[wicked delta]

I dont remember getting a 98

[daring pine]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fast-pet-kitten-cat-pet-pet-cat-gif-25030970

[queen raft]

Oh

[rapid whale]

then again who rly tracks

[daring pine]

thank you kitty

[heady flare]

i play exclusively on PF so there's no chance my AST will get higher than purple lol

all it takes is a person messing up their 2 mins and my rdps goes down the toilet

[rapid whale]

i feel u

[zealous meteor]

i still can't believe THIS is on my profile

[wicked delta]

I havent played dps in a hot minute so im gonna parse like hot ass

Lol

[zealous meteor]

i need to change my name and get a new lodestone id

i'm ashamed of myself

[rapid whale]

i had a barse whre if i had the same level of buff feed as the r1

i woulda been r2

[loud nymph]

congrats on being freeeeeeeeee

[boreal pumice]

Back to dnc Tobi

[rapid whale]

just like tack on the diff from starry

sajj

[wicked delta]

I dont wanna phys range

[rain geode]

just run it again and get a better parse

ezpz

[zealous meteor]

....do parses in later patches count or is that 0 stuck on my profile forever

because i can't be bothered to do arkveld today

[rapid whale]

thats stuck forever

[wicked delta]

Yeah

Lmao

[zealous meteor]

it's okay, i will redeem myself with ex6. trust

[rapid whale]

ez clap

[rain geode]

I mean you can simply private the log if your really worried about it right?

[rapid whale]

privating profiles is a giant red flag tho

[wicked delta]

That would look more sus than simply keeping it up

[zealous meteor]

what's a worse red flag. private log or a 0

[rapid whale]

private log

[wicked delta]

Private log at least to me

[zealous meteor]

i don't care about it looking sus lmao

it's just

[boreal pumice]

Ppl respect honesty more

[wicked delta]

With the 0 I can see what someone fucked up at least

[rapid whale]

yea everyone starts somewhere

i have plenty of grays in my life

[wicked delta]

If its private there could be real terrorist activity in there

[zealous meteor]

it was my first ex clear ever

-# and only, so far, other than unreal

[boreal pumice]

I have no grays

[amber fable]

I parsed 7 on my first clear of m6s and proceeded to parse shit anyway

[zealous meteor]

i mean it's mostly just that i died 5 times

[rapid whale]

yea

plus u have no gear

arkveld ur competing against ppl in cruiserweight bis

[amber fable]

Do the fight more times

[zealous meteor]

yeah i think i was in like... 750 at most

[amber fable]

A one time 0 is nothing

[wicked delta]

I parsed like dogshit on black cat because I played while straight up blackout drunk and I walked off the edge 5 times

[rapid whale]

LMAO

[amber fable]

I had serial grays during abyssos

[zealous meteor]

problem with arkveld is that i have no reason to do the fight
i don't care for the mount

[rapid whale]

the important part is improvement mindset imho

knowing you're not great yet = fine

[wicked delta]

Playing while drunk is actually pretty fun yall

[rapid whale]

thinking others should think you are great despite the numbers (most common form of cope being "i focus mechanics first") = bad

[amber fable]

Doing savage while being high on lsd was something

[wicked delta]

We still didnt see enrage btw

[rapid whale]

what the fuck avx

[zealous meteor]

i should try this
<-- girl who has never touched alcohol ever

[wicked delta]

Even with a dps being basically afk

[amber fable]

It was the weaning period of trip

So we cleared it

[thin fox]

help settle discussion i'm having

tank is obviously the easiest role in this game right

[wicked delta]

Yes

[loud nymph]

by far

[wicked delta]

Why would that not be the case

[thin fox]

in the context of high end specifically

[wicked delta]

Still yes

[amber fable]

Unless tanks has to move around boss

[wicked delta]

That shit is too hard sorry

[loud nymph]

if it's a fight where positioning actually matters

but when in the last few expansions has that been the case

[wicked delta]

Maybe like

FRU 2

P2

For one mechanic

[amber fable]

Its like the exception nowadays

[rapid whale]

ultimates is where it gets harder imho

[amber fable]

Most bosses dont have that

[wicked delta]

It depends on fight

[rapid whale]

strictly savage yeah tank kinda bedge

[wicked delta]

Tank in DSR is kinda monkas

But tank in like

[robust shoal]

A 0, what's a private log gonna be hiding a -1?

[wicked delta]

UWU

What do you do bruh

[amber fable]

Tank in ults are more involved

[rapid whale]

take balls to the face

[amber fable]

Savage unless its lile p8sp2 where you have to mit in short intervals

[wicked delta]

You’d like that wouldn’t you

[zealous meteor]

private log is clearly hiding a pull where i was actively killing everyone

[wicked delta]

Freak

[thin fox]

I was going to argue tank in ultimate is easier than savage actually lol

[rapid whale]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-no-u-no-you-reverse-uno-uno-gif-22508660

[trim frost]

you called

[wicked delta]

Well im gay so obviously

[wicked delta]

Hiiii

[thin fox]

like consider

[rapid whale]

dsr top?

[trim frost]

freak psycho at your service

[thin fox]

gonna throw out a random fight here

[unreal pond]

People want tanks to be more involved which is why you see that in newer fights the tanks need to do stuff now

[thin fox]

p5s

harder to tank than 95% of ultimate stuff

[amber fable]

M6 and m7 had more tank management

[thin fox]

I would say its easily harder than all of TEA

[rapid whale]

i havent done the old savages so i wont make an argument but i somehow doubt it

[zealous meteor]

things tanks need to do:

• press their mits
• tank swap

[thin fox]

ok lets not talk old then

[unreal pond]

lol

[thin fox]

M6S and M7S

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847214350271774760/1382083158387851386/lerolero-2x.gif

[rapid whale]

anything m6s asks you to do top and dsr ask more of you

[wicked delta]

M6S is the sole reason I am happy I didn’t tank this raid tier lmao

[rapid whale]

m7s im not even sure what you mean by hard for tank ngl

[thin fox]

I didnt say hard

I said harder

key difference

[amber fable]

I was very close to clear m6 as tank

[wicked delta]

I wouldve gotten my dick smashed by

[amber fable]

Wiped to 2% enrage

[unreal pond]

LMAO

[rapid whale]

okay what is harder in m7s than top or dsr im confused

[amber fable]

Cuz me and cotank had brain aneurysm

[verbal frost]

m7s is a troll fight

[zealous meteor]

sugar riot's dick smasher 9000

[verbal frost]

m7s hard for tank b/c u have to provoke ig

[thin fox]

this is more related to my take that tanking ultimates is so incredibly fucking boring

[amber fable]

I did died to yan lol

But we cleared adds still

[verbal frost]

would say 7 is more hard for healers / ranged regardless

if they die in p2 / p3 the fight is over most likely

[rapid whale]

sorry melee had to get a positional during seeds and placed it wrong

[wicked delta]

I let my paladin die to the yan like twice in one pull

[alpine plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1158175359561388103/1360359994868109483/yanranch_1.1.gif

[wicked delta]

A miracle we cleared that shit

[thin fox]

it is genuinely crazy how little tanks have to do of actually tanking in any ultimate

[verbal frost]

no bro this was never the case

phys ranged players just can't dodge

[thin fox]

basically all of DSR's complexity is tank-specific mechanics and not tanking

[rapid whale]

im being facetious

[verbal frost]

phys ranged players play the most mobile role in the game

yet they are somehow the least mobile

[rapid whale]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-nick-nickelodeon-patrick-gif-17195320

[thin fox]

since no ultimate involves positioning outside of 1 part of TEA

[zealous meteor]

mario kart

[wicked delta]

He was flaming me in vc so I got mad

[verbal frost]

we even saw this during m6s puddles

[thin fox]

positioning is the main one

[alpine plover]

[thin fox]

because most ultimates have static bosses

[rapid whale]

have you seen the terrorist p1 fru positioning

wat

[verbal frost]

fru

u can literally position in spread every time even for stack

but nobody talks about that

[rapid whale]

im not saying its difficult but a super poorly positioned thanjit was annoying

[wicked delta]

Imagine if we die to damage

[rapid whale]

LMAOO

you're lucky chiyo asleep

[thin fox]

there's nuances but tanking in this game genuinely involves no positioning

[boreal pumice]

Didn’t you kinda prove his point if you let him die

[verbal frost]

making me hate anyone who isn't a melee dps

why are ninja players such chads

[unreal pond]

Aye

[wicked delta]

Its about sending a message

[thin fox]

tanking is like the one thing that the fights this expansion are just still shit at

[wicked delta]

The message is that his life is in my hands

[unreal pond]

Ninja is like the best