where both ranged take left towers
#endgame-lounge
jagged aspen
dull drum
unless you're not pentaing
trim frost
for towers
jagged aspen
5mil is about right for penta? unless its all tools
trim frost
you know how the arena gets divided in half by the hands
dull drum
well the thing is he cant craft the combat gear so hes gonna have to buy that too
dull drum
unless he has a friend
trim frost
the hands go away fast enough after the first tower for melees to just slide over and take the other tower in front
jagged aspen
original strat is group 1 goes left group 2 right and does all towers on that side. uptime is ranged go left + back towers and melee right + front towers
dull drum
although if wol already has materia stocked up alr alleviates most of the cost anyway so
jagged aspen
well the thing is he cant craft the combat gear so hes gonna have to buy that to...
oh wait we talking about combat gear? i thought it was crafting/gathering. combat pentas are dirt cheap though (nowadays)
dull drum
just depends on his luck if he gets screwed over he'll prob burn out his 5 mil
trim frost
chiyo just spent like 5 mil on 11s bruh
jagged aspen
ok i guess XI went up recently
jagged aspen
shouldve bought them alot earlier
dull drum
because of 4 weeks of tomes
trim frost
smile
dull drum
trim frost
ill make a combat set for the first person who asks me nicely
jagged aspen
im sure if you buy it will still cost a fair bit
dull drum
chiyo just spent like 5 mil on 11s bruh
yeah im cooked
i have to penta main + alt for splits
random needle
I'm not going for pentamelds because I know I'm not clearing w1 
dull drum
ok uptime isnt relevant to me since Im a healer I do the mechanic the same way
whm arc???
jagged aspen
you dont have a bajillion clusters?
dull drum
you dont have a bajillion clusters?
not many i think like 100ish
trim frost
ohhh whm but worse ❤️
dim pollen
Actually is there any point pentamelding the new craft gear when we are just gonna replace it almost instantly?
jagged aspen
oh i only have 460 too, damn i thought i had way more
dull drum
just dont pentameld the pieces you'll replace with tomes
jagged aspen
wait no 700, that should be ok
trim frost
Actually is there any point pentamelding the new craft gear when we are just gon...
having good stats for ex/week 1 lol
jagged aspen
for main+alt
dim pollen
Yeah but even those will get replaced with raid gear
jagged aspen
yea but you have to clear the raid first
dull drum
no raid gear is same ilevel as crafted but crafted can penta
jagged aspen
which is the whole point
jagged aspen
normal gear is same as crafted
trim frost
normal raid gear
trim frost
if your balance page maths out what you do/don’t need then you can probably skip out on a couple crafted pieces
dim pollen
Cause you can clear the first stages without pentamelded gear
jagged aspen
yea but youre not clearing week 1 without pentas. or well you could, but youre making it alot harder for yourself
trim frost
and just use nraid gear
dull drum
yea but youre not clearing week 1 without pentas. or well you could, but youre m...
i remember w1 CW they were kicking people from m6 without pentas
lol
trim frost
i mean you can but it’s kinda cringe to just give up on free stats
dim pollen
I wouldn't call over 1mil in gil free stats
random needle
if your balance page maths out what you do/don’t need then you can probably skip...
How hard is it to crunch the numbers on that yourself? If your balance people are slow I guess
dull drum
I wouldn't call over 1mil in gil free stats
technically its no gil
if you grinded hunts
trim frost
0 gil if you prepared
jagged aspen
its called opportunity cost
dull drum
unironically
trim frost
How hard is it to crunch the numbers on that yourself? If your balance people ar...
idk honestly
jagged aspen
you can sell that materia 😄
dull drum
you can sell that materia 😄
trim frost
they sim different sets n stuff for exact dps
jagged aspen
just open xivgear.app
dim pollen
It's just long T_T
trim frost
buuuut you can usually eyeball what gear pieces are “bad” if they have undesired stats baked into them
dim pollen
Like peity on a dps class
dull drum
i find eyeballing is usually enough
sinful brook
You have 4 and a bit weeks to get a healthy stockpile
trim frost
depends
jagged aspen
unless crafted has bad stats
they have been pretty reasonable with stats on crafted gear lately
dim pollen
Honestly I just can't wait to do the final step of arcadion and the third step of Juno
dull drum
825
jagged aspen
375 495 825
thin fox
I never cleared Necron cuz the fight is just soooo zzz
dull drum
I never cleared Necron cuz the fight is just soooo zzz
where was my prog invite
sinful brook
You can get chest pants if that's what your job needs
dull drum
i never did it either
dim pollen
I personally find it tedious
trim frost
i only cleared it once in a single lockout blind and then never went back because it stinks
thin fox
@dull drum there's still slots
dull drum
holy
sinful brook
But it's more likely one or the other and then a head hands foot and some accs
jagged aspen
You can get chest pants if that's what your job needs
but you can get 4 pieces instead, that will be more stats than chest pants
and i dont think any job wants augmented chest+pants
dull drum
@thin fox gl
dim pollen
Whats wrong with chest/pants?
dull drum
Whats wrong with chest/pants?
you can technically pump your ilevel higher if you just bought all accs or hands/arm/legs + accs
sinful brook
And usually statspread doesnt suggest it
jagged aspen
Whats wrong with chest/pants?
your BIS is a mix of raid and augmented gear. pretty much always 50/50. and i dont think it ever has both chest+pants in the same group
thin fox
who else remembers abyssos where healer bis was a 630 tome ring and a 620 unupgraded ring 
dim pollen
Ahhhh fair enough
sinful brook
Pumping ilvl doesn't matter if the stat gain isnt as impactful
sinful brook
who else remembers abyssos where healer bis was a 630 tome ring and a 620 unupgr...
It was that for casters too
dim pollen
Oh ngl I thought the stats would be the same just bigger for each set
sinful brook
No they usually shuffle stuff around
jagged aspen
healers also used crafted gloves in 7.0
sinful brook
Well
jagged aspen
because both aug and raid had abysmal stats
sinful brook
It was a parse set
dim pollen
Well I'm gonna make a mint when the new gear comes out
jagged aspen
well yea for dps
jagged aspen
well yea but crafted gloves were 720 in fru 😄
sinful brook
Took that much damage smile
jagged aspen
not as bad as 710
trim frost
who else remembers abyssos where healer bis was a 630 tome ring and a 620 unupgr...
that was tanks in anabaseios 😌
sinful brook
Even with 720 it was still 10ilvls
dull drum
@thin fox this fight looks too hard i might bow out
thin fox
oh my god bruh
dull drum
oh my god bruh
bro im being so fr
thin fox
youre a bum
wicked delta
What fight are you doing?
trim frost
no you will wipe to solo adds
thin fox
brother this shit is easier than ifrit normal in a realm reborn
dull drum
ima just wing this shit ngl
thin fox
also theres only prange slot
dull drum
im on my tank arc so im not flexing
dull drum
brother this shit is easier than ifrit normal in a realm reborn
this is ragebait
jolly flume
do I go dsr on monk except I forgot all my feint timings and I just wont press it for the entire pull
thin fox
pranges quit
dull drum
@rapid whale dont flame
thin fox
yeah its fresh so w.e
rapid whale
i have no idea wtf this fight does
iw as high as shit when i did the normal mode
time2troll
dull drum
bapples its basically normal mode but bait hands out the arena
and they copy pasted seiryu unreal
LMAO
im cooked
wicked delta
iw as high as shit when i did the normal mode
💀
wicked delta
jolly flume
what a party bruh
wicked delta
Winnable
jolly flume
I know too much to believe
dull drum
@wicked delta i got kicked
jolly flume
tanks that havent seen p7 dont clear p7
dull drum
thin fox
KIDNAPPED 
wicked delta
<@146656795421573120> i got kicked
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
dull drum
did yall die to TB @thin fox after i was gone
jolly flume
wicked delta
What did you DO
jolly flume
haurefanunt
dull drum
you know the donut portions
i got my balls grabbed
and as i was fighting the add
team wiped
idk 
wicked delta
rapid whale
its ok im doing this blind
dull drum
rapid whale
that snowballed so hard lol
zealous meteor
....have tome weapons ever been bis?
jagged aspen
no, why?
jagged aspen
ig its not impossible if raid has really bad stats but i dont think they do that
like for sage, current relic is worse than ex5 weapon i think
imagine they made all healer raid weapons bad or smth and you can never fill the pf 😄
rapid whale
that was a nice break from crafting
dull drum
LOL
thin fox
UP
rapid whale
LOL
thin fox
YOU BAITED THEM
dull drum
dull drum
YOU BAITED THEM
why they watching me
dull drum
my hoc prob would have saved you ngl
jagged aspen
sorry glare more important
dull drum
@thin fox gl
rapid whale
@jolly flume so this is the legendary all caps spam but then wipes
dull drum
WBU
rapid whale
gg
rapid whale
how about u dont join a c41 for a fight u dont know
last time i did this i was rewarded with the cloud of darkness mount
dull drum
@thin fox
rapid whale
wtfdig op
thin fox
I think people usually dont
thin fox
assume people dont
dull drum
i forgot to stance on
dull drum
maybe
undone tide
chiyo probably
rapid whale
everything is harder than top
thin fox
I was tilting because I died earlier from not being healed even though I was at like 25% hp for 10 seconds
rapid whale
aurnaur
jagged aspen
my goat dank tank died to exas
the clearee or the other one
craggy marsh
lies it was Chiyo who died to exas
jagged aspen
he died to lb3 ig
jolly flume
watashia didn't rescue me in for am3 in time
was almost a good clutch
tbh if we won the coinflip there with in/out there was a non zero chance that might've cleared
the true miracle was that the boss got spun on exa1 and somehow nobody died
jagged aspen
the true miracle was that the boss got spun on exa1 and somehow nobody died
do they not start behind him if hes not facing correctly?
or do they spawn behind but arrows are still based on true north
oh god
jolly flume
do they not start behind him if hes not facing correctly?
they spawn boss relative
but the issue is that people use the floor for reference on where to dodge
so if that happens its usually guaranteed deaths from ppl who have no idea what theyre doing
jagged aspen
oh ok, the second safespot isnt terribly tight though is it?
jolly flume
not that bad unless you get the double diag pattern where you get boxed in
but like
you just have to back straight away from the boss
robust shoal
I hate that you can't always do a uhhh
find a spot that's not getting hit and go to it
the back dodge feels almost unintended but sometimes you have no choice but to do it
jagged aspen
isnt it always possible to do a 1 step dodge though?
or you mean not having to go through exas at all
jolly flume
there's not always an exa that has no other exas pointing at it
if you watch like idk the uhhhhh
neverland? idk one of the earliest clear povs
there's one where you have no choice but to fuck off to the wall (or do jp dodge)
thin fox
they cursed the party
jolly flume
jagged aspen
@jolly flume no hate crimes?
jolly flume
only for myself
I had a dentge moment bc I had to spend my first swift raising and I didnt have it on that exa where I usually do
boss died so whatever thank god dissipation exists
remote gate
hey endgame lounge do you want to be flashbanged by viera art
jagged aspen
ive no idea which death tower ranged even take
daring pine
hey endgame lounge do you want to be flashbanged by viera art
bnuuy
sick dirge
jagged aspen
🐇
visual geyser
They’ll dismiss you
I had jury duty for the first time ever and people aren’t lying it’s dogshit
undone tide
wrong kinda jury
undone tide
still wrong kind
dapper zealot
you did warcrimes
jolly flume
ive no idea which death tower ranged even take
your lp tower
basically your am1 spot
healers and tank first, then ranged and 2nd tank, leave melees last
undone tide
i’m realizing now
pandora kinda copied dkt
3 towers on the boss hitbox
like literally the exact same orientation just bigger hitbox
golden jewel
sick dirge
your did it
torn kindle
Enjoy the next step 💚
sick dirge
you are in fact not going to enjoy the next step
golden jewel
I like doing dailies!
daring pine
@remote gate oh man i love pf
i love people fucking up p1 in a cc prog party
(halfway through p2)
verbal frost
fru p5 wings of light and dark is direct snapshot u can start moving once cast finish?
daring pine
you can make it to p2? I get trapped in p1
real
i mean cc is my prog point but everybody fucks up p1 it's infuriating
verbal frost
m8 alwasy been like that
craggy marsh
BUT WE'VE SCARCELY BEGUN
daring pine
since end of p1 is the hardest
the stonefang/windfang after moonlight catches people off guard
quite badly
rapid whale
big f
verbal frost
the stonefang/windfang after moonlight catches people off guard
ya
it's always opposite also
first mechanic and last mechanic of p1
wind first stone second
vice versa
good mechanic
daring pine
it's always opposite also
yea
verbal frost
if p1 second half didn't exist fight would be mid as hell imo
daring pine
i always note which one he did at the start so i dont get fucked later
verbal frost
but yeah it's the hardest part
week 1 p1 enrage was actually a thing also so it was fun lol
daring pine
ngl if i dont have sprint after moonlight im probably fucked depending on where i end up
cant greed casts
verbal frost
example of how a small mechanic can make a fight harder and casuse a lot of wipes
daring pine
and 2min at same time
yeaa
if its windfang there i can do my 2m easy
but if its stonefang i can just barely fit in burst before cutscene
verbal frost
mhm especially if you are opposite side after beckon into cross mechanic
verbal frost
as a melee it can be hard since there is no C marker
daring pine
if it's stonefang i have to go even further out which is arghh
daring pine
yeah
daring pine
i only use sprint like once and it's for decay
verbal frost
for the 3rd eminent / revolutionary reign it has the 2 stone dragons
verbal frost
if it was revolutionary reign I would always gap close and not see the dragons hahaha
daring pine
rev reign is so chill with the heads because you can see them from miles away
anyway im hoping this pf fills at some point
zz
craggy marsh
Rev reign used to be scary as a tank until I learned the trick
daring pine
amazing
craggy marsh
Or whatever the far one is
daring pine
rev reign is the far one yeah
craggy marsh
Still never got my clear 
verbal frost
m8s not a super hard fight imo
trim frost
eng localization team needs to put the fucking alliterations down
craggy marsh
Ya m8s isnt hard
verbal frost
p1 is very discouraging
craggy marsh
Pf just sucks at it
verbal frost
that's the issue
daring pine
7s almost made me quit because of how bad pf was
verbal frost
tbh that's why I prefer that they would just make phase 2 harder
trim frost
marce ur gonna w1 raid next tier right
verbal frost
even door boss
daring pine
marce ur gonna w1 raid next tier right
yes
verbal frost
but eh community likes p1 being harder so what can u do
daring pine
r u gonna w1 valcors
trim frost
idk
maybe
this tier i think i got m5 done week 1 and then took like a four month break xd
daring pine
no thats real
verbal frost
really just depends how hard this tier is I imagine
this tier is not that hard just how I view it
but it was defintely hard to week 1 just b/c the fights are unique than most
verbal frost
even m7s is somewhat of a unique fight even if I think it's pretty shit
craggy marsh
Im excited to do next tier with my goat Shiggy 
spice path
Torn between viper and reaper for this coming tier. Guess I'll do both crafted sets and test my dps between them. Can't fairly test atm cause reaper is 760 while viper only 750.
verbal frost
While I think VIper is the worst melee I do think it's good for solo early prog
any selfish dps is rlly because u aren't giving dmg to others
that's why I told one of my homies to go machinist job will prob get buffed anyways
trim frost
FUCK
verbal frost
only downside with VPR is if u die you lose everything
but RPR has same issue
VPR / SAM def best choice for PF especially if we get another m6s
spice path
Yeah. They are basically same rotation structure too. Viper just has nicer tools when forced outta melee. And your gap closer can't meet you off the map. But also can't fly across to a random spot. Boss only, where reaper can.
Thankfully I have a static. But the other melee is an onmi melee and has amazing past parses on all melee jobs and other roles too lol
verbal frost
vpr 100% gets buffed anyways
spice path
Probably lol
trim frost
ummmm pvp :3
daring pine
wtf 2 tanks just appeared
trim frost
ur welcome
jolly flume
guys
I need everyone to watch this clip
and like
understand my suffering
with sound on
wicked delta
im still laughing
quick verge
that's why I told one of my homies to go machinist job will prob get buffed anyw...
mch getting +10 potency twin
this job been dogass for 6 years
nothing changing
torn kindle
mch getting +10 potency twin
Another 50 potency to a skill you only press once every 2 minutes
verbal frost
mch getting +10 potency twin
shit gonna get buffed who cares
mch the best pf phys ranged anyways
this what I was telling my homie job not even bad in pf bard and dancer only become a lot better when everyone is doing good dps
pf you usually gonna have like 1-3 people doing high dps just the reality unfortunately
quick verge
7.3 patch
daring pine
what the hale
wicked delta
daring pine
tucks you into bed
true beacon
uncut pebble
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1358236705412354058/1447772500451786782...
the only reason mch is so high up is due to gearing being more locked (the same will happen at the end of expansion, 2-4 is fru)
and 75th percentile in 7.2 is lower for the same reason, even in 7.3
verbal frost
75th percentile
pf is just not high percentile players
mch got buff 7.3 also I believe
we just have to see what 7.4 savage shows
sinful brook
yeah but both of those arguments are pointless
because you don't get holistic information from such a low percentile
lol
verbal frost
low percentile is pf
uncut pebble
verbal frost
it's the same reason why viper is strong low percentile
uncut pebble
cdps isnt accurate either in this argument
verbal frost
but when you start getting to high percentile it falls off
verbal frost
how am I baiting tho
torn mesa
what's the statement being made?
verbal frost
you are free to tell me I'm wrong
sinful brook
it doesn't really support or benefit the discussion in a meaningful way
verbal frost
what's the statement being made?
eh scroll I just said machinist is best phys ranged for pf which isn't even a bad take
torn mesa
how do you defend that position?
verbal frost
I just used logs
and the common sense is selfish jobs are better for pf
like yeah if you are doing a static you would probably like having
torn mesa
MCH is still worse than BRD on all fights even at the 50th percentile
I'm not following
verbal frost
samurai dragoon picto dancer week 1
rapid whale
cooly u should move to japan and apply for the job at se
dull drum
can back up nobles claim
undone tide
hi guys
dull drum
ask me and chiyo
undone tide
how are we all doing today
verbal frost
cooly u should move to japan and apply for the job at se
moving from nyc to japan would be a choice
rapid whale
do it
verbal frost
one day mayb
rapid whale
then you can enact these changes
uncut pebble
MCH is still worse than BRD on all fights even at the 50th percentile
the only fight it gets close to (cdps 7.2) is howling blade, but thats moreso because of mch queen bug + bard being rly fucky
7.3 is only higher due to gear capping
verbal frost
u gotta factor in the machinist buffs 7.3
torn mesa
the part of it being a selfish job and thus looking better is true, but it's still worse than BRD even at 50th percentile
verbal frost
it's like 2% dps buff
so like i said we can't really tell until 7.4
where machinist will probably get buffed again but idk
ima roll up to pf with my homie running rpr and mch
sinful brook
if you can't tell until 7.4
verbal frost
out of the ones I've done
sinful brook
why is this even an assertion you can make
verbal frost
lowkey the one I would say would get flamed
soI won't say it
I'll just go with the safe answer and say m6s
torn mesa
and one again I used 50th percentile data, which is obviously unreliable
uncut pebble
that doesnt make sense because even if its odd patches, its still 2% damage buff vs bard and dancer
undone tide
say the real answer
verbal frost
no it will get memed
torn mesa
like
undone tide
anything you say will get memed tbf
torn mesa
50th percentile is not even good data to begin with, I just went with for argument's sake
verbal frost
m2s
torn mesa
but even with said MCH buffs it's still worse than BRD
and the gap obviously widens the more you move up the percentile
rapid whale
wait why m2s
torn mesa
so why
is MCH the best ranged in PF
I still don't get it
logs is telling me contrary
verbal frost
I mean I told u my argument
right
Mch was very undertuned
7.0-7.2
that's the whole reason it got buffed
almost every patch
torn mesa
I just told you, even if you factor the buffs in 7.3
undone tide
ok but why does it matter to you
rapid whale
a job can be buffed and still be underperforming
torn mesa
it still falls behind BRD
rapid whale
see: smn
verbal frost
7.3 it actually got substantial buffs to the point where it's actually not a horrible choice compared to dnc and brd
undone tide
like what content do you do where mch being undertuned matter
torn mesa
do not we not agree 50th percentile is doable even in PF
verbal frost
but that wasn't even what I was saying originally
verbal frost
do not we not agree 50th percentile is doable even in PF
ye it is
I'm just going off the tendency
that even on patch
selfish jobs tend to perform better in pf
torn mesa
I am responding to this take specifically
verbal frost
I just think u are undervaluing machinist
it's really not that horrible compared to dancer / brd
torn mesa
MCH is the best in PF
50th percentils indicative of PF
we agree here thus far?
verbal frost
like only thing we can really judge rn is FRU
which machinist is just not good in objectively
uncut pebble
that's the whole reason it got buffed
im going to be honest +20 potency to air anchor/drill/chainsaw is not significant enough for it to beat bard and dancer. that doesnt mean it is unplayable next tier/ultimate is going to be the same situation as 7.2 and 7.3, even first tier
dull drum
it's really not that horrible compared to dancer / brd
gonna have to disagree here
undone tide
why does it matter what performs well in party finder if we base balancing decisions off of party finder then every fight will get lobotomized because we can’t do top p5 without cheating
torn mesa
BRD is better than MCH on all fights, even with the 7.3 buffs according to fflogs
here you have a contradiction in your logic
verbal frost
so that's why I said let's wait until 7.4 and have the discussion again
torn mesa
it's really not that horrible compared to dancer / brd
right but this wasn't the initial response you gave me when I asked what the claim was
trim frost
ragebait-lounge
verbal frost
right but this wasn't the initial response you gave me when I asked what the cla...
If you think I'm overvaluing pf like that's fine just my opinion
torn mesa
nobody is saying that
verbal frost
personally I will always try to take a more selfish job into pf if it is reasonably balanced
torn mesa
I'm just addressing your claim that MCH is the best ranged in PF
undone tide
personally I will always try to take a more selfish job into pf if it is reasona...
reaper isn’t selfish though
torn mesa
well, if you think 50th percentile is indicative of PF
and BRD is still better than MCH at that level according to FFLogs
uncut pebble
reaper more selfish than the other ones ig
other ones..?
verbal frost
well the other melees
torn mesa
you're contradicting yourself
undone tide
if you want to play a selfish dps play samurai
verbal frost
ninja dragoon monk
undone tide
or can you not play samurai
verbal frost
nah I can samurai
undone tide
there is no meta
terse zodiac
and BRD is still better than MCH at that level according to FFLogs
But is that a 50% brd and mch or is it a say 80% mch and 80% brd that has 50% teammates?
verbal frost
I'm just confused why you get the assumption I play jobs because they are better that's not rlly how I think
all I've said is I think machinist is probably the best option if you are solo pf
terse zodiac
Thats the argument, when your teammates are lower skill level than you
torn mesa
But is that a 50% brd and mch or is it a say 80% mch and 80% brd that has 50% te...
we just use 50 percentile cDPS, whatever that implies
torn mesa
as I mentioned, even if you factor in the 7.3 MCH buffs
torn mesa
MCH still falls behind
verbal frost
you said "it doesn't matter"
trim frost
if you would consult the charts
daring pine
this is one of the most pointless ragebait lounge conversations of all time
verbal frost
is macihnist not the top dps
in that fight
or am I crazy lol
it's best phys ranged at theat percentile
uncut pebble
is that on content though
torn mesa
you're making a false correlation
verbal frost
is that on content though
that's what I'm saying
daring pine
it's off patch and it's 50% percentile man
dull drum
this is one of the most pointless ragebait lounge conversations of all time
literally red flag
terse zodiac
There are no charts where you can compare yourself playing well and your teammates sandbagginf to see how bad a good bard does in pf
dull drum
😭
verbal frost
That's hwy I'm saying it's just my opinion
torn mesa
MCH is the best ranged in 7.3
MCH got buffs in 7.3
the reason for the first statement is cause of the buffs -> this is the false correlation
daring pine
literally red flag
one of many
verbal frost
okay but can ulisten
verbal frost
I showed you why 7.2 logs aren't indictative of machinist rn
because machinist got major buffs this patch
then when I show you the logs after machinist gets buffed albeit they are off-patch
you say they don't get matter
torn mesa
once again, if I we just used 7.2 logs
and increased the cDPS of MCH by 1.7%
which is the buff% they got
verbal frost
so ultimately no logs are indicative of state of machinist rn
torn mesa
they still fall behind BRD
verbal frost
that's just not true
torn mesa
I just told you 50th
torn mesa
and you can go fight by fight
verbal frost
50th of what fight
dull drum
bro its rage bait
uncut pebble
......
torn mesa
as I said already, MCH is worse every fight except M8S even with the buffs
pale blade
yeah they’re being purposefully dense
verbal frost
pale blade
denser than dark matter even
verbal frost
do the math
that's a 250 dps gap
1% of 30000 is 300
you are wrong
or am I using the wrong logs this time
torn mesa
okay yeah I was off about that, but M5S/M6S are still true
verbal frost
okay yeah I was off about that, but M5S/M6S are still true
the fight wher eu can literally stat pad
m6s is literally parse the fight
m5s favors 1min burst jobs
torn mesa
you can pad in M7S too I fail to see this argument
verbal frost
b/c the dmaage buff
and machinist aoe was horrible
before 7.3
they gave machinist a huge aoe buff
which I think might be really good for m10s specifically next tier
daring pine
95% percentile is real funny if you're a bard
dull drum
if machinist 7.3 aoe is huge then whm dia buff was huge
verbal frost
ye
torn mesa
but none of those really matters for your initial claim
verbal frost
I mean bard in statics is just op
torn mesa
that MCH is the best ranged in PF
verbal frost
picto has made bard op
torn mesa
the entire premise of using 50th percentile is already shaky
considering any job can hit purple even in PF
verbal frost
because before picto we didn't have a caster that was truly utilizing what bard gives
but now we have picto which is just caster drg / nin / mnk
dreamy whale
the damage that mch gains from being selfish is outpaced by the potential damage that bard and dancer get through their team just pressing buttons during buff, the only situation I can see mch being better is if you’re playing with trained chimps who can only press a basic 123
torn mesa
to say nothing of how arguing for balance at any level but the top makes no sense
clear plume
when you are choosing what job to play you should be using the percentle you perform at, not what the average is
if youre bad play an easier job
torn mesa
yeah
verbal frost
ya I mean but can u admit the data actually favors my argument
for m7s and m8s
lol
uncut pebble
verbal frost
and I'm going off the assumption machinist gets buffed again next patch
torn mesa
I already said I was wrong for M7S, I already said M8S MCH is better at 50th percentile
but I also mentioned way before this
verbal frost
ye so we are just split 2-2
torn mesa
that those metrics are actually useful for balance
verbal frost
so neither of us are really wrong
we just have to wait for 7.4
this was what I'm saying the whole time
daring pine
dumbass argument bro
verbal frost
😭
torn mesa
as in I only referenced 50th percentile for argument's sake
torn mesa
like I'm mostly quoting 50th percentile to entertain your argument
as opposed to actually expressing any disagreement
verbal frost
I'm just going off pf standards
quick verge
can we get some human %ile numbers
verbal frost
I'm not going to use like 95th percentile when talking about pf
torn mesa
right but the argument that 50th percentile is indicative of PF
verbal frost
just not realsitic
torn mesa
is something I assumed for your sake
I don't actually think 50th percentile indicative of PF
torn mesa
considering my point of how every job can get purple in PF
verbal frost
50th percentile is that
terse zodiac
How much would your % even drop say as a bard with full grey other dps
verbal frost
bard is the must buff heavy job in the game
torn mesa
yes, but you have to keep in mind, I don't believe games should be balanced around the average player
verbal frost
so like you need your teammates to press buttons
dreamy whale
Correct me if I’m wrong but if you’re not pressing queen at a specific time in the rotation it’s much more punishing than using saber dance at 60 gauge instead of 50
torn mesa
I've made that abundantly clear to many others in this chat before
verbal frost
yes, but you have to keep in mind, I don't believe games should be balanced arou...
It is though
😭
Tbh I think this game is balanced around low percentile players
but that's just how I see it rn
verbal frost
that's why when you have certain comps you just destroy fights
dull drum
Correct me if I’m wrong but if you’re not pressing queen at a specific time in t...
theres a battery cheat sheet for full uptime fights its like
verbal frost
since these comps aren't balanced around pf
dull drum
60 90 100 50 60 100 50 70 100 50 80 100 yada yada
clear plume
you can just send queen on cd and not be punished mostly
dreamy whale
Aren’t you the guy who said every ultimate should be a slog that has a crazy ass final phase
verbal frost
no?
torn mesa
my point is why is an average PF a barometer to use
verbal frost
If I said that you can quote me tho
clear plume
only pot and buff opti but its not you punished by that outside of kt
verbal frost
would love to see
torn mesa
the players there have so much to improve as opposed to concern themselves over job balance
verbal frost
Yeah but Noble
dreamy whale
verbal frost
all I really said today is that I think machinist is a good pf choice and the best for the phys ranged role
like ya I understand bard / dnc have higher ceilings and I dont' think that will ever change tbh they don't balance it based off that
torn mesa
if you want to add the caveat that the player you're assuming fails job fundamentals
I'll agree
verbal frost
they don't balance the game excepting you to bring a job comp of
torn mesa
because every job can hit purple in any context just by hitting job fundamentals
trim frost
maybe you should leave opinions as opinions and not try to wring them into facts
verbal frost
ninja / dragoon / picto / bard / drk / gnb / ast / sch
trim frost
try that sometime
torn mesa
assuming they're not undergeared
clear plume
anyways the real best pf job is white mage thoughts?
trim frost
100% true
uncut pebble
anyways the real best pf job is white mage thoughts?
camn you jump off of a building
verbal frost
if good whm maybe
u got the pf legend whm I seen it before
whm so weird to talk about since you have actual gods playing that job but then very sus ppl at the same time
daring pine
best pf job is rdm because i beat people to death with hammers when they ask me to raise
sorry i need to deal damage
verbal frost
prob true tbh
novel garden
I just play whatever gives me the dopamine
torn kindle
Best job is WHM and worst job is AST 
true beacon
crush helm can't be invulned right?
shy obsidian
soooo what job are you guys focusing on first when sevv pont fur happens
daring pine
soooo what job are you guys focusing on first when sevv pont fur happens
bard
i was tempted to do rdm again since it's the job i main but i want to try bard
shy obsidian
gosh, there's a lot I wanna do honestly
torn kindle
I swap between WHM and SGE for learning
shy obsidian
I kinda wanna try machinist and samurai honestlyyyy
true beacon
same
torn kindle
Sometimes SMN if I want to learn but all the healer spots are full
true beacon
those are what I main
shy obsidian
I like healing, but I kinda wanna pivot from that for now
I didn't get much chances to do DPS stuff this time around, so I wanna do more next time
and that means learning more DPS... yaaay
daring pine
healing just makes me angry
shy obsidian
I'm getting the hang of samurai, but optimization still scares me a teensy bit, lmao
and I'm still scared of greeding
and machinist... I'm definitely interested in it, but for some reason I can't manage its stuff to save my life
true beacon
tonight in PF
pale blade
These people are beyond saving
rain geode
Well now Im curious
proper cave
Raid gear
wicked delta
Man ik we’ve seen most of these but I still think they’re fugly
shy obsidian
is the brush tip... glowing?
tall field
Cyber punk goes hard
shy obsidian
the stuff that looks like glasses can be salvageable, I suppose
proper cave
wicked delta
Sorry that last guy looks lame af
😭😭😭😭
Hes tryna aura farm
Vampire lady and the blowjob brothers look awesome tho
undone tide
it looks great but the raid gear is only going to look good when you wear it as a full set
vampire lady is significantly more clothed than twitter art suggests
shy obsidian
what kinda bat is that
proper cave
Batsquatch
shy obsidian
oh my
shy obsidian
oh the Extremes are those... Sanuwa things?
proper cave
amber fable
Raid gear definitely wants a specific glam design....
Good for sci fi lovers I guess
But not my jam
torn kindle
I mean it was kinda expected given the general theme of Solution Nine
amber fable
Lhw was a decent middle ground
amber fable
Time to keep same glam since I had from dt start
Honestly if pants had less belts
Or less belts in general
daring pine
the caster and fending set look the best to me
amber fable
Coats are always good
undone tide
wait they look like mech pilots
alpine plover
who is last boss
alpine plover
wasn't howling blade shown?
torn kindle
Yeah but 12 is absolutely gonna be the president or a giant amalgamation of feral souls
I doubt he’s gonna keep his word of releasing all of them
torn kindle
They usually don’t, yeah
trim frost
Sorry that last guy looks lame af
he looks like shit
wicked delta
he looks like shit
He does 😭😭😭😭😭
quartz mountain
what is the thing the beach brothers ™ fuse with
proper cave
Sanuwa
dapper zealot
discord what are you doing
proper cave
Winged lizard things that the Vanu ride
quartz mountain
OHH
wicked delta
They’re the blowjob brothers smh
quartz mountain
😔 yea
wicked delta
But yeah
quartz mountain
twitter time line is gonna be full of them for a long while
wicked delta
Shit’s gonna give me trauma cus I did the vanu tribe (society???) and sea of clouds is an evil place
true beacon
Hes tryna aura farm
wicked delta
And those things just remind me of sea of clouds…..
trim frost
bismarck savage :3
dapper zealot
Shit’s gonna give me trauma cus I did the vanu tribe (society???) and sea of clo...
I"m so glad I'm finally finished
wicked delta
bismarck savage :3
dapper zealot
It'd be fucking hilarious being based on big fish
wicked delta
I"m so glad I'm finally finished
I finished it last year but it still fills me with unimaginable hatred
trim frost
i cant believe that boring ass elezen got behemoth
big news for the behemoth kinnie on my bluesky tl
untold prawn
why is the silouhette so thin ?? he looks diseased
dapper zealot
The moogles are worse tho
wicked delta
Well yeah moogles suck more objectively but
true beacon
Looks fine to me
proper cave
why is the silouhette so thin ?? he looks diseased
Its mouth is open wider so you don't see its rounded neck
verbal frost
wasn't howling blade shown?
ain't they show p8 in the patch art I think they only try to hide final boss of the whole raid series
wicked delta
why is the silouhette so thin ?? he looks diseased
He took ozempic
untold prawn
Its mouth is open wider so you don't see its rounded neck
because hes underfed hes begging for food
verbal frost
this shit do go hard tho
verbal frost
never watched the trailer ima watch it
true beacon
It’s good
verbal frost
this patch def got pandaemonium vibes
7.4
well
I think they showed the final boss arena
for m12
torn kindle
Scream is like top 10 OST tracks for FFXIV as a whole
verbal frost
but they didn't show the boss
torn kindle
Probably top 5 for me
craggy marsh
this shit do go hard tho
"I SHALL SEE MY WISH FULFILLED"
craggy marsh
such a good patch trailer
untold prawn
I think they showed the final boss arena
oh ? which?
untold prawn
yeah but which arena haha
undone tide
this shit do go hard tho
funny because this is one of the worst patches of all time
untold prawn
iirc they all showed bosses