or if they made it the first mechanic in an ultimate
#endgame-lounge
torn mesa
verbal frost
Well yeah but alarm pheromones isn’t anywhere near as oppressive
jolly flume
only 2 of them even
verbal frost
Alarm pheromones is easier and you don’t instantly die
verbal frost
It’s good to have randomness in mechs, not everything has to be predetermined
dreamy whale
waiting for them to make an Overlord game
jolly flume
I also don't like fulgent blade that much in the first place
wicked delta
Vuln ups are too hard for savage gamers
verbal frost
I also don't like fulgent blade that much in the first place
Tbh with you
torn mesa
the cactus in M6S are similarly unengaging
verbal frost
I’m not a fan of final phases in ultimates being simple mechanics and a choke check
jolly flume
I am
verbal frost
I think they should make a ultimate where the final phase has the hardest mechanics
Similar to UWU
jolly flume
FRU was just way too easy for everyone but tanks in that regard
verbal frost
Like a 1 time thing
jolly flume
the choke check doesn't exist
the mit check doesn't exist
the dps check doesn't exist
verbal frost
Ye
I think Yoshida said today
The 7.5 ultimate will be something new
So I’m hoping they try a new phase formula.
dreamy whale
i think final phases in an ultimate are fine to be simple mechs and a dps check
verbal frost
<a:Dancin:1446315562333503561> i think final phases in an ultimate are fine to b...
But should every ultimate be like this?
It’s just bad design imo.
They need to make ultimates different in that sense.
torn mesa
you do not get to die
would certainly allow me to unleash less people into PF 
tawdry delta
So I’m hoping they try a new phase formula.
Maybe some phases you can do in any order?
verbal frost
Even though UWU is easy, the final phase does have the hardest mechs.
dreamy whale
You just did like 18 minutes of craziness I think it’s fine to have a wind down phase at the end
verbal frost
And it’s not a exaflare choke check
jolly flume
idk I do not think I want to see dynamis in a final phase
verbal frost
While being like 4 minutes
torn mesa
lol
jolly flume
there's a line between hard and cancer
torn mesa
imagine Dive From Grace P6
jolly flume
that would cross it
verbal frost
Like p8 p1
torn mesa
the prog experience would be kind of miserable
I think there's an underlying question of
dreamy whale
“Ok guys final phase we finally did it, we’re about to get world first” and then
dreamy whale
torn mesa
the argument that's it's new and innovative certainly doesn't mean it's an improvement
verbal frost
I feel like they should at least try one ultimate again where the whole fight has harder mechanics each phase.
So when you get that first clear it feels like something, like you just did the hardest phase of the fight to clear it:
timber stratus
they could do where you have to kill X add and it decides the next phase and you gotta do 2/3 or something, thats a pretty classic in wow
so you have agency over which one you do
verbal frost
Like
jolly flume
people choke enough on final phases to have that emotional effect upon clearing
torn mesa
they could do where you have to kill X add and it decides the next phase and you...
would the community not just settle upon a standard
jolly flume
you don't have to make it cbt for people to feel something
timber stratus
sure they probably would but some statics might do otherwise, i just think choice is cool
verbal frost
If FRU p5 had at least one mechanic similar to what Gaia does in p3, it would be really cool. Since both are full uptime anyways.
jolly flume
if I had a dollar for every wc2 cosmo arrow wipe I've sat through I could buy a new gpu right now
torn mesa
I think the choice is cool too
dreamy whale
they could do where you have to kill X add and it decides the next phase and you...
“This is the easiest route don’t bother with the other adds” guide
torn mesa
what I'm more so focused on
is if you're SE, do you really have good incentive
to do this
verbal frost
people choke enough on final phases to have that emotional effect upon clearing
Sure but don’t you think they should at least try it one time.
Community is saying they want a harder ulti.
sinful brook
I feel like they should at least try one ultimate again where the whole fight ha...
making things harder for the sake of difficulty doesn't necessicitate the experience you're after
jolly flume
like I said I think that would cross the line from enjoyable difficulty to cbt
verbal frost
Maybe you don’t have to up the overall mechanic difficulty, just place mechanics differently.
dreamy whale
Also I interpreted the “7.5 ultimate will be something new” to be ascian story ultimate or lightbearer ultimate
verbal frost
ZODIALYN
torn mesa
I say I want a harder ultimate
verbal frost
ZODIALYN
timber stratus
inb4 they make no ultimate and make some slop content that will never return after
loud nymph
lightwarden ultimate where you kill g'raha
torn mesa
but it's more so I want an ultimate that feels more rewarding to clear than FRU
jolly flume
I am one of those people that really disliked FRU for being too lax in a lot of places
jolly flume
but I still would not want that
dreamy whale
How hard are we talking noble
verbal frost
but it's more so I want an ultimate that feels more rewarding to clear than FRU
So make another UWU on content.
torn mesa
the fundamental problem with FRU is the amount of mistakes you can get away
dreamy whale
Are we talking like
torn mesa
and still both prog and clear
dreamy whale
On patch TOP?
timber stratus
i think dsr outside double dragon health % is peak
jolly flume
make another dsr, make another top
verbal frost
Where the final phase is hardest
torn mesa
the final phase being the hardest doesn't actually implicate that it'd be more rewarding to clear
verbal frost
Nobody really wants extremely hard phases early on
verbal frost
Right should progressively get harder
It’s just good design
Makes it easier for prog also
jolly flume
that does not make it easier to prog
jolly flume
that makes it exponentially harder
verbal frost
The final phase should be the hardest to prog and clear, that’s the whole point.
torn mesa
I understand what you're saying, I don't understand why that would make an ultimate more satisfying to clear
verbal frost
You shouldn’t get to a final phase and be thinking “we have the clear if we play it safe” like FRU.
It’s just bad design
dreamy whale
I disagree with making the last phase the hardest, ultimates should be high end endurance content imo
verbal frost
The final phase should be the most risky
verbal frost
I disagree with making the last phase the hardest, ultimates should be high end ...
We’ve had four ultimates like this now though
quick verge
final phase being hardest makes the fight unfun
verbal frost
Shouldn’t they at least try to change things
quick verge
something ultimates already have an issue with
verbal frost
final phase being hardest makes the fight unfun
Not if the early phases are easier
jolly flume
early phases being easy makes it boring as fuck to prog
that's already an issue with fru
quick verge
backloading difficulty gets you p7s
dreamy whale
Not if the early phases are easier
20-25 minutes to get to the final phase and get walled for 2 weeks would unironically make me quit
jolly flume
nobody wants to sit through fof and dd
torn mesa
lol
verbal frost
20-25 minutes to get to the final phase and get walled for 2 weeks would unironi...
20 is overkill
quick verge
if you sit there for over 50 pulls
torn mesa
imagine DSR started with double dragons into eyes
before doing 4 thordan trios in a row
torn mesa
followed by dive from grace
dreamy whale
Doesn’t matter if the early phases are easy if I have to sit through a 6th of a lockout to see my prog point
verbal frost
Idk I just think they should try it at least
And if the community doesn’t like it that is that
The community didn’t like TOP despite it following the same ultimate formula
sinful brook
The final phase should be the hardest to prog and clear, that’s the whole point.
how is that at all the whole point of an ult
quick verge
they shouldn’t because we know what trainwrecks would look like
quick verge
we don’t need to shoot someone to know it would be bad
verbal frost
how is that at all the whole point of an ult
It’s called ultimate for a reason
The final phase is literally the ultimate form of the main boss
torn mesa
I'm really not following your argument here
- Why does switching the order of difficulty loading make an ultimate more fun.
sinful brook
that doesn't mean the fight design is all gas no brakes for 20m
distant knoll
verbal frost
Thematically it should literally be the hardest
sinful brook
it doesn't improve the fun of the ultimate necessarily
jolly flume
idk this is kinda nonsensical to me lol
verbal frost
Not saying that.
sinful brook
no you're just saying things at this point
verbal frost
Saying they should at least try and switch things up.
torn mesa
like I'm open for changing things up
sinful brook
same
verbal frost
I just gave you logic. It’s fine if you don’t agree.
torn mesa
but your logic is kind of circular here
verbal frost
But don’t act like I’m not using any.
torn mesa
you haven't actually explained why that's better
you just said they should try it for the sake of trying it
sinful brook
im don't need to act
jolly flume
I'm the first person to agree that most ffxiv formulae are stale but ultimate is not one of those
ultimate is fine as it is
fru's failure was tuning and mechanical punishment
not difficulty distribution
torn mesa
it definitely can be improved, but make the case for it
rather than just say SE should innovate
dreamy whale
Fwiw UWU P1 is still the hardest content I’ve played, but I’ve also only done A1S-A7S MiNE so I’m sure current content is harder than what I’ve done
sinful brook
innovation for innovations sake is what you're saying
which there's no justification
dreamy whale
Does brd use strength or dex pots
verbal frost
I made the case for it
sinful brook
dex
verbal frost
Thematically it makes sense
dreamy whale
Ok i gotta buy dex pots then
verbal frost
The whole concept of ultimate is it gets harder each phase.
jolly flume
I think the number of people who would want to do an ultimate where it gets progressively harder to the point where your prog curve is exponential in terms of pulls
verbal frost
But if you don’t agree like it’s fine I’m not mad or anything.
dreamy whale
It’s gemdraughts right not tinctures
jolly flume
would just kill off ultimate lol
torn mesa
The whole concept of ultimate is it gets harder each phase.
this is a false premise you inherently assumed.
verbal frost
But I did make a case lol.
sinful brook
how is the concept of an ultimate that it gets harder every phase
verbal frost
I already used UWU as an example where ultimate gets harder each phase
sinful brook
there's no logic to that
verbal frost
Garuda, Ifrit, Titan, Ultima Weapon
dreamy whale
The whole concept of ultimate is it gets harder each phase.
Doesn’t DSR literally have a phase where you pretty much chill bc it’s easier than the rest
sinful brook
it doesn't though? uwu is not harder every phase at the primals level
clear plume
You say that like uwu is the favourite ultimate
verbal frost
and Ultima weapon isn’t a giant choke check with exaflare and simple mechs
sinful brook
its the same difficulty barring maybe gaols
jolly flume
that's one out of six ultimates and also the one people tend to like the least on the basis of design
clear plume
And not like, the least favourite for most of them
verbal frost
You say that like uwu is the favourite ultimate
On content, who knows?
jolly flume
I think wonder does
verbal frost
UWU has been powercrept now so we can’t judge.
clear plume
I did it on content
torn mesa
are you saying this because you did UWU on content?
jolly flume
because he's been playing the game for twelve years
wicked delta
He was literally there
torn mesa
or are you saying this in an argument ad ignorantium sense
wicked delta
Hes unc 😭😭😭
versed kayak
Garuda, Ifrit, Titan, Ultima Weapon
P5 ends on a easy mechanic tho, same for tea
just a choke check really
clear plume
verbal frost
Yeah but the overall phase still has the hardest mechs
Ultimate Annihilation and Suppression
craggy apex
verbal frost
I mean I guess you have Gaols
torn mesa
sure, let's relate it back to your initial point: why that would be better for future ultimates
clear plume
Titan was realistically the hardest phase on content
dreamy whale
I’ve only seen the beginning of P2 for UWU but outside of the big ass damage ifrit does during phase switch it doesn’t seem that bad
alpine plover
versed kayak
Gaols is the one hard mech in the primals and people just cheat for it
verbal frost
But I think Anni and Supp combined is probably harder than gaols
torn mesa
the reason I say you haven't made the case is because you haven't actually given us a reason
clear plume
Uwu had this neat thing called sb sch so you could suppression cheese with recit deploy
torn mesa
besides this is how an ultimate should be designed
verbal frost
Fuck I just got off grand central ima be late take care
versed kayak
I’ve only seen the beginning of P2 for UWU but outside of the big ass damage ifr...
if you skip dashes you can ignore the one thing that required a modicum of brain power
torn mesa
like I'm not misrepresenting their argument right:
- SE should backload difficulty in ultimates
- "why would that make it more fun"
- because ultimates are designed to have growing difficulty as phases drag out
dreamy whale
Yea thats pretty much it
sinful brook
no thats what i've gathered
jolly flume
all i heard was difficulty for the sake of difficulty
worn bluff
The whole concept of ultimate is it gets harder each phase.
i don't recall yoshi P/dev team saying that's their design philosophy. if anything, i would prefer them not to impose arbitrary rules like that in how they design fights
sinful brook
craggy marsh
Difficulty for the sake of difficulty isnt fun
jolly flume
for anyone
timber stratus
i think phase 1 should always be theh ardest so noobs give up
clear plume
Having an early wall is kind of good for prog tbqh
clear plume
Like limit cut party syn are a real “if you beat this you can beat the fight” check
craggy marsh
Id rather have an early wall than a late wall
worn bluff
you shouldn't equate "i prefer things this way" to "this is objectively in the nature of how this thing is"
dreamy whale
They should change TOP and make Hello World happen every phase
And then 5 times in final phase
jolly flume
that would turn the fight into an extreme trial
worn bluff
put 3 sets of dolls at the very end of TEA and not skippable
dreamy whale
jolly flume
hello world is far and away the easiest thing in top by like a full order of magnitude
versed kayak
put 3 sets of dolls at the very end of TEA and not skippable
half their HP too so everyone is forced to use their ranged attacks only due to powercreep
worn bluff
timber stratus
hello world is called hello world cuz its when u can tab out and look at social media (the world)
torn mesa
limitless
dreamy whale
I love markers where it’s not obvious the hitbox is fat so I edge it and get fucked
jolly flume
limitless would've been harder had SE not forgotten to make their flares do damage
worn bluff
half their HP too so everyone is forced to use their ranged attacks only due to ...
also they all cast hand of pain every few seconds so they also have to be within 5% of each other
jolly flume
oopsies
craggy marsh
Personally I like it when the final phase isn't super duper difficult bc I've already spent 16 minutes in this shit just let me leave
versed kayak
also they all cast hand of pain every few seconds so they also have to be within...
that's actually evil
timber stratus
Legit only thing I care about final phases in ults is for it to be a visual spectacle
jolly flume
you know what's evil
timber stratus
me
craggy marsh
Ya the visual spectacle is what i love about the final phases
torn mesa
okay
timber stratus
spiny plumes that you have to feed
torn mesa
but Alpha Omega
wicked delta
I think the final phase of TOP is the only one that gives me chills when I watch people clear for the first time
jolly flume
wait
timber stratus
alexander is still my favorite final phase
craggy marsh
but Alpha Omega
Wave Cannon oomfie
wicked delta
And I have never stepped foot into TOP
timber stratus
but thats because im a sucker for the time travel bs
craggy apex
toby top when
worn bluff
i mean i do think FRU P5 is a bit too much of a victory lap
craggy apex
wicked delta
toby top when
Im bad
jolly flume
I was crying because I narrowly escaped being a saus legend
worn bluff
part of it's the length. i think they just wanted the entire song to play
jolly flume
tears of joy
wicked delta
I couldnt clear that shit even if I tried 😭😭😭
craggy apex
no ur not bad
craggy marsh
So im confused are we supposed to hate saus? Like does he have actual bad shit?
craggy marsh
Always been out of the loop on him outside of knowing he helps people clear ults
jolly flume
no
he's a cool guy
very funny
just the people he shits into ultimate pf are often awful
quick verge
saus is the antichrist
jolly flume
saus legend is basically a slur
craggy apex
mb
wicked delta
no ur not bad <a:ermm:1379291353430884512>
Yes I am…. but its okay
worn bluff
it's bc saus's groups are so well organized at carrying people
jolly flume
haters gonna hate
worn bluff
they're too good at it
jolly flume
hey man like
you play as much as I do
ur bound to do something exceptionally brain damaged eventually right
craggy apex
whys it so dark
worn bluff
does saus even stream anymore? i feel like i haven't seen his name pop up browsing FF anymore
torn mesa
turn the light on
this is taken a split second before the cutscene dims
undone tide
with saus dmgTM
dont tell me shit about sausdmg man
dreamy whale
Mine is eating my own puddle from oppressor in P1 A8S bc I didn’t know how the “i got it” strat worked for discordance
jolly flume
my lowlight is probably the fru incident
i also died to pyretic once because I second winded though
I was scared
dreamy whale
I’m excited for 7.5 I really wanna do an ultimate on patch
golden jewel
sinful brook
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistCallousPigPhilosoraptor-bFMX3mOwVBYS0kNL
just anal right gamer?
jolly flume
yeah ngl that's how I read it the first three times
sinful brook
yeah exactly like that
dull drum
I couldnt clear that shit even if I tried 😭😭😭
fights piss easy i can assure you
you kill 20 seconds before enrage atp
mossy eagle
fights piss easy i can assure you
Clearly you have never played with me
dull drum
also is se stupid why is the m2 fight two dudes
if they’re fire spirits that also surf thats literally fire boy and water girl reference
timber stratus
peak
jolly flume
if the answer is higher than 0 it should say "too many"
visual geyser
But I’m a wh*te mage main…in PvP
mossy eagle
White mage but only dungeons with a PLD
visual geyser
Can I be spared 😔
mossy eagle
Because 17 seconds of no damage is funny
sick dirge
How many times did I play wh*te mage
i wanna know this
i played whm for like 95% of the msq 
worldly grotto
Square Enix should do a ff14 wrapped
How many days did you spend subbed without logging in or AFK-ing in Limsa?
shy obsidian
Imagine if she could stardive
loud nymph
she could pierce me
shy obsidian
But damn
I’m kinda tempted to fantasia or create an alt just so I can cosplay as her
loud nymph
honestly dragoon is kind of a bad job for a bee because you can only stab once
proper cave
That’s her secret. She’s a hornet.
loud nymph
oh fuck
proper cave
Shaw
sick dirge
git gud
craggy marsh
Imagine if she could stardive
you'll be my lol drg honey dead lovely
tired egret
But damn
I’m kinda tempted to fantasia or create an alt just so I can cosplay as...
have fun
worn bluff
for some reason before that clip i never thought about the arcadion fighters knowing how to fight without their special forms
thin fox
@jolly flume
do you happen to know if dsr is at the point where you can just enter with current gear
and the stat sync Just Works
i'm like 90% sure that you just need to be >100ilvl and that's when the sync breaks which would imply it works but i'm not extremely confident in this claim
jolly flume
yea
wicked delta
fights piss easy i can assure you
Brother I am nowhere near ur skill level 😭😭😭😭
visual geyser
oh nice i have 4 trophy crystals left
jolly flume
its more than 100 but LHW sync was good enough
visual geyser
i can probably get the eagle beak set
jolly flume
@thin fox
thin fox
tyyy
dull drum
Brother I am nowhere near ur skill level 😭😭😭😭
you act like i have any skill
i have no idea what im doing
i dont do 3 6 9 bard
thin fox
you do 0 0 0 holmgang 🔥
dull drum
i dont do that weird tech in TOP where you get 2 mirages in a buff window
versed kayak
i'm like 90% sure that you just need to be >100ilvl and that's when the sync bre...
!faq ilvlsync we have a table incase you need for other fights too btw :D
storm frostBOT
versed kayak
wait fok
dull drum
you do 0 0 0 holmgang 🔥
i dont play warrior anymore nice ragebait
versed kayak
wrong one
dull drum
wont work on me
versed kayak
this one
remote gate
will top become the next ultimate to seriously depreciate
thin fox
no ultimate will ever get as bad as ucob/uwu
those ultimates got the way they are due to how they're designed more than anything else
like TEA onwards you simply can't have people dead as often due to mechanics
dull drum
will top become the next ultimate to seriously depreciate
if you mean by dps check it already has
remote gate
i mean like if someone dies it's negligent like ucob/uwu/TEA kinda
thin fox
dps check has never been super relevant for ulti imo
if you can like play the gmae you clear (dps wise)
undone tide
i kinda didn’t hear much about silksong after it released
e33 has been on my timeline pretty much since it launched
remote gate
I think it beats Silksong and Hades II for my game of the year
holy shit its the goat haven't seen you in elounge much
thin fox
e33 kinda #mid imo #SkongNation
worn bluff
moved on to better games
thin fox
#SkongNationMogsFrance
thin fox
timber stratus
ape escape 4 soon guys (real)
deep gale
i kinda didn’t hear much about silksong after it released
everyone is still stuck trying to beat skong
insert the take a break meme
thin fox
its crazy how much hatred this image has even though the guy being depicted is just correct
random needle
Yeah that's the funny thing
Pure spite and malice while depicting a 100% real and calm person
loud nymph
I still want to get into the head of the person who made this meme as if it's a gotcha
deep gale
This image is so funny to me because like yeah just take a break man
thin fox
erm, this you? [shows the most reasonable and well-adjusted take ever]
timber stratus
as a certified break taker, hell yeah
random needle
I forget, which boss was this person dying so much to that they got this tilted over it? Or is it already lost to time?
... It was probably Groal, wasn't it
That or Last Judge
loud nymph
I never did beat last judge, I should get back into silksong after the holiday season is over
it's a really good fight
random needle
And it's also the epitome of "take a break and come back when you've cooled off"
dapper orbit
Do you think we're going to get another set of Lv100 gear that can be purchased with Sacks of Nuts? I'm currently going through the Dawntrail MSQ and I was considering getting the Neo Kingdom gear as soon as my Viper hits Lv100.
loud nymph
that's kind of a waste tbh
it's only 10 ilvl above the AF gear
AF gear isn't, like, good but neither is neo kingdom
proper cave
Current uncapped gear will be moved to nutshack in a couple weeks. Current capped gear will become new uncapped and a new capped set will be introduced as well.
dreamy whale
I have pretty high expectations for 8.0 expansion
Lots of comparisons between it and shadowbringers
Mid expansion before it, Phys Ranged + Tank
sleek moon
i kinda didn’t hear much about silksong after it released
tbh silksong (and hollow knight) dont really have the mass appeal of e33
also zero replayability appeal for me
sleek moon
i went through hell once, i dont want to see hell again
undone tide
tbh silksong (and hollow knight) dont really have the mass appeal of e33
e33 is a turn based game, a genre which people say is literally dying
and it kinda is, e33 needed to implement action aspects for people to like it
sleek moon
thats just people being stupid
as if bg3 wasnt glazed to the end for the exact same thing
and then suddenly there were no turn based games since ff7
sleek moon
sorry, since persona 5
random needle
There were no other RPGs until Persona 5
Then we got E33 and the genre has been saved from oblivion once again
limpid edge
is crabcore officially in FF14?
zealous meteor
and then suddenly there were no turn based games since ff7
the five dragon quest fans sulking in the corner
timber stratus
five, good one
visual geyser
really tempted to race swap
limpid edge
to bun bun again?
visual geyser
hroth lady
random needle
zealous meteor
craggy marsh
and then suddenly there were no turn based games since ff7
E33 fans are the Eminem fans of rpg's
jolly flume
SORRY
remote gate
i open twitter and see that rage against the machine wrote a song for ffxiv
how the fuck did this become a thing
limpid edge
friends of friend
loud nymph
how the fuck did this become a thing
everything burns
jolly flume
tom morello plays tabletop shit with jcm and basically just cold dmed soken with hey we made you a song use this somewhere
and now we're here
that shit goes hard btw
proper cave
JC Miller apparently plays board games with Tom Morello so he called up Tom one day and told him about Soken, who is a huge fan. Morello heard about the passionate fan base and decided to do a thing for him. Tom did everything on his own from there and just sent it to Soken out of the blue one day.
proper cave
Brute Bomber 4 is still possible
limpid edge
brute bomber was the director all along
jolly flume
cant believe m10s is gonna be fireboy and waterboy
loud nymph
brute undertaker
jolly flume
yo @clear plume is this a sildihn portals reference
visual geyser
M9
jolly flume
I'm just assuming they showed them in order in the trailer
jolly flume
the colosseum stage looks cool af though
visual geyser
Oh really?
loud nymph
Oh really?
yeah they showed the fight itself in the PLL
lyric summit
it has Scythes right but the guy's weapon is an axe
loud nymph
including the intro cutscene
lyric summit
and in the shot where the champion jumps down you can see m9 m10 transformed probably shittalking wol and theres a scythe too
lyric summit
yeah i guess axe and greatsword
jolly flume
drops his axes and wields a greatsword
lyric summit
but theres a random scythe there
jolly flume
he probably jumps around the arena picking them up to do diff attacks with?
lyric summit
maybe he lost his duo partner
jolly flume
I think thats something theyve done before
rapid whale
surely the dual boss is gonna have wb1 style mech where we have to make both water and fire hit to create like a safe spot or something
jolly flume
surely the dual boss is gonna have wb1 style mech where we have to make both wat...
yeah you make obsidian
and then make a nether portal
jolly flume
prob bc it's your age
lyric summit
they have fire and water overlapping in the trailer but it dont do anything
remote gate
https://youtu.be/47wpSToWcsQ?t=131
how does square manage to make every trailer goated for this game this is almost as good if not better than the 6.2 trailer
loud nymph
well when they showed the fight yoship had a debuff that looked like blue and red hands shaking, so I'm assuming there will be a "get hit by fire then get hit by water" thing to restore that debuff
jolly flume
your aether tilts dangerously towards the fire aspect!
p12sp1 all over again who's ready
lyric summit
will anything beat the cinema of doing m7 for the first time
jolly flume
was it that cinema
it was harder than average yeah but I feel like most people just got hung up on that bit
limpid edge
hey did everrything burn?
lyric summit
3 arenas was pretty crazy
like it got boring on third reclear but first time experience was peak
lyric summit
but it seems ex train got all the arena budget this patch
jolly flume
train seems pretty fun
lyric summit
ex is looking to have 3 arenas too
loud nymph
train having a nonstandard arena with multiple stages that you go through as the fight goes on is very cool
visual geyser
The coolest thing about the variant is that each route has difference boxes
In EW the first boss was the exact same with slightly different mechs
lyric summit
they took the design budget from the other two, cut them and put them into one variant per expansion
jolly flume
hopefully it's good
clear plume
yo <@270811610795343885> is this a sildihn portals reference
i hope not im bad with that mech
jolly flume
wait I just realized doomtrain has living liquid arms
jade nimbus
Ye, it just grows big asf Arms
lyric summit
this is crazy to me
limpid edge
train is doomin
sick dirge
nyoom
lyric summit
also what are we fighting there he just fucks off through the arena
craggy marsh
also what are we fighting there he just fucks off through the arena
eachother
lyric summit
is there a guy thats gonna jump out
craggy marsh
in the ex that mechanic probably has spread aoes or somethin
loud nymph
this is crazy to me
CHOO CHOO BITCHES
lyric summit
i hope its a phase and not just a weird cinematic like zurvan
loud nymph
also what are we fighting there he just fucks off through the arena
add phase where we fight smaller trains
sick dirge
the children yearn to suplex the train
remote gate
mellow marten
proper cave
the children yearn to suplex the train
We can’t
Phantom Train was our chance and if we couldn’t do it then we won’t be able to do it now
Saying that because this train can clearly fly
zealous meteor
well. do they?
remote gate
well. do they?
the question was directed back to me
zealous meteor
well. do you?
remote gate
and my answer was "kinda"
lyric summit
Phantom Train was our chance and if we couldn’t do it then we won’t be able to d...
remember this.
o5s times
daring pine
okay yeah m10 looks sick
lyric summit
somehow o5s seems more phantom themed than train themed. to me.
remote gate
hope we get a mechanic with the boys doing a tag team where they beat the shit out our characters individually and we need heavy mit/healing/proper positioning to survive
limpid edge
it's the phantom forest
i honestly dont remember how doom train from ff8 went, he was just goofy lookin
lyric summit
im giga nostalgic for sigmascape i feel like thats the tier where i started getting good
limpid edge
hey guess what? || everything burns||
lyric summit
kindof scared of the rage agains the machine song cause they made it sound like the guy just hit them up like "hey here's a ready song for you make it work x" when usually it feels like songs are made to fit the content
and this is the other way round
but if they got it over a year ago maybe they had time to design the fight to fit it thematically
visual geyser
I don’t think designing a fight around a rock track would be the most thing in the world
jolly flume
maybe everything is in fact burning
lyric summit
m4 and m8 themes were so character driven tho like it felt special 😊
lyric summit
and this is idk mail-in song fan request
"hey can you play [everything burns]" uhh yeah sure
timber stratus
maybe this is m11 song
visual geyser
It’s 12
timber stratus
they confirmed it?
visual geyser
Yes
random needle
It's been explicitly stated to be the Heavyweight m4 theme, yes
timber stratus
damn ok thats ass
i mean the song is a banger
just mean the fact its just a random song tho
remote gate
progging to the song will be great tho
random needle
How long ago did they say Tom gave Soken the song?
timber stratus
i mean sure but its the same thing as just putting on spotify
it has no meaning to the fight
timber stratus
atleast i assume
lyric summit
he said they were listening to it on a smoke break outside the saudi arabia concert which would be november 28 2024
trim frost
i mean technically we still don't know who the m12 boss is
jolly flume
so they had this song by the time fru came out
timber stratus
i would be very surprised if its not the president
lyric summit
i mean technically we still don't know who the m12 boss is
it is 99% wicked thunder remix 
trim frost
pretty sure it's gonna go elf guy -> yaoi -> elf lady
jolly flume
idk I think thats plenty of time for them to cook up a proper fight around it
visual geyser
Yea it being a year old means they’ve been sitting on it for a while
trim frost
bro i had a friend in college nearly set off the fire alarm because she burned a frozen sesame ball on a paper plate in the microwave
lyric summit
same arena on these two
jolly flume
how does one burn something in the microwave
true beacon
It was a gift song
lyric summit
i wouldnt be surprised if thats straight up the fight intro cutscene
rapid whale
Remind me again wicked thunder was the actual heavy weight champ before disappearing right
trim frost
also woah i didnt notice honey b dragoon
jolly flume
Remind me again wicked thunder was the actual heavy weight champ before disappea...
apparently
true beacon
Yes she was
lyric summit
they made m6s lala mch lol
tawdry delta
same arena on these two
Give me p8s vibes
jolly flume
electrope converts even the aether of her flesh
rapid whale
If it's wicked thunder 2.0 for the last floor I won't hate it I think
true beacon
I mean she does use a lance in her fight
tawdry delta
M12N duty support?
jolly flume
what tf job is dancing green supposed to be
trim frost
the naive answer is dancer but i dont think he has any weapons
trim frost
oh i guess yeah
lyric summit
i cant tell if m9s is reused skeleton
she does a kick that feels familiar but its a new idle pose for sure
trim frost
yes
timber stratus
unrelated to the kick but yeah u are
lyric summit
or e6s ifrit kicking the fireball maybe
jolly flume
unrelated to the kick but yeah u are
her idle kinda reminds me of the warlock idle from d2
tired egret
I can see the poor man's ARR Monk Relic there
lyric summit
i think it was here someone said their theory was president is a disembodied soul / endless looking for a new host in arcadion champions
i could see it
remote gate
man im glad tea pf is slow as usual today
jolly flume
i think it was here someone said their theory was president is a disembodied sou...
what good does giving all the fighters soul cancer do then
jolly flume
unironically more excited to see how the arcadion storyline wraps up than the actual msq though
rapid whale
real lol
lyric summit
well yeah msq is guaranteed to be nothing but another 2h long edging session for upcoming expansion
thin fox
not washed 
rain geode
unironically more excited to see how the arcadion storyline wraps up than the ac...
Tbf were at the point where they're gonna start setting up 8.0 so nothing to crazy is likely to happen
Whereas the raid series were getting the finale to the storyline
queen raft
How do I select a phantom job?
honest sentinel
Its some coward behavior to not have a femroe wrestler, they're scared of our power.
daring pine
unironically more excited to see how the arcadion storyline wraps up than the ac...
same
so from what i can see
succubus lady is m9, blowjob brothers are m10 and elf dude is m11
it's cool that he has multiple weapons
honest sentinel
As far as we've seent no roes have been active npcs in sol9 but that didn't FULLY eliminate the possibility they exist there but I know what ya mean.
queen raft
I don't think I've seen any femroe players in the game.
shy obsidian
Imagine a savage raid boss that’s the size of a normal player
remote gate
I don't think I've seen any femroe players in the game.
@daring pine
honest sentinel
But come on, femroe muscle wrestler succubus would have gone SO HARD
daring pine
<@333161906435129344>
hi
remote gate
marce here is a femroe player
daring pine
But come on, femroe muscle wrestler succubus would have gone SO HARD
one can hope
yes i did just say that
queen raft
Oh
shy obsidian
But come on, femroe muscle wrestler succubus would have gone SO HARD
Lore reasons unfortunately 💔
All you get is The Queen
safe valve
How do I select a phantom job?
Click the sprite of your current one, then again to pull up the list
honest sentinel
Also another femroe to the collection, it meee
daring pine
the hive mind
queen raft
Click the sprite of your current one, then again to pull up the list
Thank you so much
shy obsidian
But seriously though
I’m surprised we haven’t had any eldites in the Arcadion until now
queen raft
I want to try to get my first Dawntrail relic
remote gate
youre gonna be in for a rough ride
i say that because step 1 is atma grinding which has a shit droprate in both OC and in fates
daring pine
why this bunny look so mad
shy obsidian
She’s short
remote gate
@daring pine
shy obsidian
This is gonna hurt my eyes
daring pine
they hit the fucking pentagon
shy obsidian
Visual clarity my ass
daring pine
This is gonna hurt my eyes
holy fuck my eyes
honest sentinel
Femroe in the wild are hard to find because if youre like me, Im hiding in the sky on my chandelier
remote gate
This is gonna hurt my eyes
enhance image brightness set to max and contrast set to max
honest sentinel
ty ty tis my drk glam
jolly flume
you're drooling marce
honest sentinel
Cant wait to be running around in my alchemist glam with the giant sword
call it applied science how Im crashing into people with a sword twice my size
honest sentinel
Lemme see if I can find one of my alc glam I love it so much
queen raft
Please tell me there's away to move the blue window
honest sentinel
remote gate
Please tell me there's away to move the blue window
ye click and drag it
honest sentinel
oh my gosh your hud is massive in general
queen raft
ye click and drag it
I'm on console. No KB/M
daring pine
do i sense face 2 or do my eyes deceive me
queen raft
oh my gosh your hud is massive in general
I've got shit vision
queen raft
Oh
daring pine
also lovely alc glam
honest sentinel
do i sense face 2 or do my eyes deceive me
its been so long I dont remember which face I have, I think it may be?
queen raft
Usually it's with the virtual mouse but I can't seem to enable it in this area
daring pine
its been so long I dont remember which face I have, I think it may be?
looks like it
face 3 and 4 stand out
don't even remember what face 1 looks like
daring pine
face 2 my beloved
queen raft
The fuck is this and how do I get it!?
honest sentinel
can either buy it or get gud and go to bojangles
daring pine
speaking of femroe glam
remote gate
thats a bozja mount but you can find it very randomly in a chest out in the field
lyric summit
one of the gabriel mounts you can just buy off mb
daring pine
forgot how long i've had this outfit for
queen raft
can either buy it or get gud and go to bojangles
Bojangles is doing a FFXIV event?
daring pine
jesus christ this is from january
remote gate
like the drop rate is low tho in the random chests
daring pine
almost a year
honest sentinel
Fabulous
rain geode
Does the normal raid gear and savage raid typically have the same substats?
jolly flume
no
daring pine
i was looking for good caster glam because i didn't like how many boring robes we had
and boom
jolly flume
all the savage gear stats are visible in game files as soon as the patch hits anyways though
honest sentinel
lemme find mine its snazzy
rain geode
all the savage gear stats are visible in game files as soon as the patch hits an...
Ok so I will at least know which tomestone pieces to buy from day 1
sick dirge
cheapest on NA is roughly 800k according to universalis...
...on balmung
honest sentinel
jolly flume
I mean
sick dirge
giant frying pan
jolly flume
you can usually tell if you'll be using tome in a slot just by looking at it
sick dirge
they think theyre julyan manderville
jolly flume
almost invariably if the tome piece for a slot is bad the savage will be good
and vice versa
they make certain pieces trash on purpose
rain geode
Since they want you to mix the sets for bis
honest sentinel
they think theyre julyan manderville
I was given a chance to use it and you're 100% correct Im gonna use it
jolly flume
im talkin like
daring pine
might as well while i'm waiting for frontlines to pop
random needle
Det speed? Is having Det and speed on the same piece that horrid if the speed lets you align?
loud nymph
might as well while i'm waiting for frontlines to pop
fuck yeah
remote gate
me playing gachas while waiting for tea pf to fill
jolly flume
having no crit on a piece is pretty fuckin horrid for most jobs
wicked delta
jolly flume
for roles that want speed you usually have a crit/speed option anyways
daring pine
forgot to mention my healer/summertime glam is a baywatch lifeguard set
i had a summertime glam for tank, it was pretty funny
gunbreaker in a bikini
rain geode
Det speed? Is having Det and speed on the same piece that horrid if the speed le...
Don't you want crit on like every piece you equip?
For every job
loud nymph
Don't you want crit on like every piece you equip?
unless the piece is already crit capped
daring pine
or that
loud nymph
oh
jolly flume
melds
random needle
I admittedly have not focused too hard on how many stats are on each piece, if I need to follow a gear guide i just go off the names
jolly flume
like here's speedbreaker
even for jobs that want speed
there's almost always a crit+speed option
and the default crit+dh/det ofc
sometimes they just decide to dick on healers with piety though
rain geode
I won't pretend to be an expert but every thing I've seen of this game implies gearing optimization is really simple I mean there are only 7 stats and 2 of them suck
And 2 of them suck on like 80% of jobs
loud nymph
yes gearing is incredibly straightforward
jolly flume
there's some minor things with stat tiering and whatnot but for the most part yeah you can tell if a gear piece is gonna be bis just by looking at it
they tend to be pretty binary since there's only two sources of savage bis
it's either straight ass or two good stats
like compare this shit lol
gosh I wonder
torn kindle
gosh I wonder
Meanwhile 7.0 BiS for healers if you wanted to be sweaty included the normal mode boots
honest sentinel
I fix piety on my smn gear to get those sick physick heals
loud nymph
if only piety actually boosted healing done
it might actually be mildly useful
(no it wouldn't)
shy obsidian
I gotta learn melee DPS honestly
random needle
What does Piety even do? Is it just MP regen?
honest sentinel
endless physick casts
shy obsidian
But like damn uh
What role should I even get gear for first?
timber stratus
yeah but now ill be considered a pranged player
so nobody will take me seriously
im just gonna play my silly little songs and go RAHHHH in 2mins
lyric summit
im stuck between rdm>melee or full blm this tier
sick dirge
where them sources
lyric summit
sick dirge
loud nymph
sick dirge
so true bestie
trim frost
the naive answer is dancer but i dont think he has any weapons
well
dreamy whale
Is it uhh
rain geode
I'm having indecisive thought about healing next tier but if I listen to those thoughts I'll never pick anything. So we sticking with heals
dreamy whale
Tomestones > raid gear > crafted
rain geode
I think raid gear and crafted are equal it depends on the stats
Someone please correct me
timber stratus
sounds about right
crafted with pentameld is better tho
unless its for specific sks/sps usually iirc
rain geode
But I assume it's like tomestone > pentamelded crafted > crafted = raid
timber stratus
yuh
rain geode
At least for week 1 obviously savage and augmented tomestone are better
dreamy whale
Oh ok ty
jolly flume
But I assume it's like tomestone > pentamelded crafted > crafted = raid
on base stats alone yeah
you can also do your first overmeld for relatively cheap though so that's a consideration
dreamy whale
Is it worth to meld with 11 materias instead of 12 if I’m too poor for a full set of pentameld with 12s
jolly flume
you can't pentameld full 12s
your first two meld slots are standard 12s, then your third is a 12 overmeld, fourth and fifth only take 11 overmeld
rain geode
Yeah and you only need what 6 on average 12s to get the overmeld slot filled?
craggy marsh
well
Oh good the goat Metem is there so that means hes safe from "Metem is the President" slander
limpid edge
billions
jolly flume
unless you just like setting gil on fire buy enough for prog which is like 150-200 if I'm being generous
native cairn
Who’s hyped for that new raid track?
jolly flume
then just buy more later when they're cheaper
dreamy whale
unless you just like setting gil on fire buy enough for prog which is like 150-2...
Oh ok
Current pot is grade 3 gemdraught of x right
rain geode
Can I get away with not buying pots or is it one of those "you really should" things
jolly flume
you really should
considering pf does ass for damage
you won't be using them until you're approaching a clear but you will absolutely come up against the dps check with randoms
timber stratus
i only ever start potting when ive seen enrage though so you can hold on to them and see if its feasible
jolly flume
bro pf thought the m2s dps check without hearts was hard 😭
I heard mfs saying the m5s dps check was hard
nothing is easy enough for pf
dreamy whale
considering pf does ass for damage
I’ll be progging heavyweight savage with my static
rain geode
I have no idea where I would even fit them on my scholar hotbar but I'll find a way
jolly flume
your static may or may not do ass for damage
iunno
but even if you don't pots are leeway to screw up
you always take room to screw up in prog
jolly flume
I have no idea where I would even fit them on my scholar hotbar but I'll find a ...
I just click them on some of my jobs ngl, could just stuff them in that new command panel or w/e
zealous meteor
a static will (probably) be more consistent than pf, but that might mean being consistently bad 
rain geode
I guess one thing I could do is take my mount off my hotbar
quick verge
you should be potting on every clear attempt
versed kayak
I’ll be progging heavyweight savage with my static
even then, kill earlier means less opportunities to fuck up
quick verge
and for any phase that needs the extra dps
versed kayak
pots are cheap anyway, no reason not to use them
dreamy whale
What if I consider every pull a potential clear attempt
zealous meteor
What if I consider every pull a potential clear attempt
delusional
jolly flume
and should feel bad about yourself
rain geode
Then your probably doing things wrong
jolly flume
nobody said dont buy pots
we said buy pots but dont waste them on pulls that arent going to clear
zealous meteor
we're getting new pots with 7.4, right?
rain geode
I was gonna say I tried to shrik buying pots and everyone said to buy them
timber stratus
u dont have to buy them straight away, can wait until they drop in price a few days in if ur not rushing
dreamy whale
Ohg
versed kayak
Don't pot if your prog point is 3 mechs in obviously
dreamy whale
Wait I didn’t know we were getting new pots
rain geode
Probably better to buy the pots like the week before savage drops and not right as 7.4 itself drops?
versed kayak
Wait I didn’t know we were getting new pots
we're also getting new food and gear
zealous meteor
at least my lv50 trial roulettes will appreciate my 300 mate cookies
quick verge
What if I consider every pull a potential clear attempt
I potted every pull of every fight this tier
vast jacinth
lmao
zealous meteor
actually how much food do i have
random needle
NOOOO MY 500 MATE COOKIES AND 1000 GRADE 2 GEMDRAUGHTS OF STRENGTH
Sell them now and hope you get a bigger sucker
vast jacinth
i bought pots
rain geode
Alright I'll move mount to the generic hotbar which will free up a slot for pots (can't wait to waste a ton trying to mount tho)
thin fox
#yep #anotherdayinlevelcapdungeons
dreamy whale
Oh no I got them for free from some homies here
versed kayak
NOOOO MY 500 MATE COOKIES AND 1000 GRADE 2 GEMDRAUGHTS OF STRENGTH
grade 2??
vast jacinth
#yep #anotherdayinlevelcapdungeons
omg
zealous meteor
#yep #anotherdayinlevelcapdungeons
scree
dreamy whale
Yea it was when I was progging uwu
Some homies here gave me pots, mate cookies, and gil
vast jacinth
next tier i will craft more pots
versed kayak
oh right I remember giving you gil
rain geode
Maybe I should actually try and make some Gil for a bit of a cushion
vast jacinth
i have 180mil i hope that enough for pentameld
zealous meteor
ok so this is an extremely stupid question
healer wants mind potions and tank wants strength, right?
jolly flume
yeah
vast jacinth
yes
random needle
Yes
vast jacinth
i might just craft all 4 pot options