endgame-lounge

[verbal frost]

Last thing red mage needs is fixed ogcd rotation during melee burst

[craggy marsh]

Why tf does it have damage skills that dont get buffed by its damage buff skill

[rain geode]

like a contiunation for you melee combo?

[rapid whale]

Ya imagine lol

[verbal frost]

That’s ruined viper already.

[rapid whale]

Turn rdm into the busiest job in the tent

[daring pine]

i've ranted about this in vc before lmfao

i was so annoyed

[verbal frost]

RDM already pretty lit.

[rain geode]

Honestly Im personally pretty happy with where the jobs are at overall

[verbal frost]

Are they phys moves?

[verbal frost]

At a surface level, sure.

But idk it’s really just the raidbuffs for me honestly.

They are so gross.

[rain geode]

I like raidbuffs helping my team is fun

makes us feel more like a team instead of a bunch of randos

[daring pine]

yup

[verbal frost]

I like having raidbuffs / support abilities on a class that should actually have it.

[verbal frost]

Didn’t know that, thanks.

[daring pine]

so it doesn't get buffed

[craggy marsh]

Idk but its stupid

[daring pine]

which sucks

[verbal frost]

Like just no reason for 4/6 melees to have raidbuffs honestly.

And tbf I get that the melee ones are actually all different.

[rain geode]

the reason is its nice to have?

[verbal frost]

Like nine are exactly the same effect.

[daring pine]

i like that battle litany is a crit buff instead of just damage

[craggy marsh]

Why doesn't embolden just increase the rdm damage

Why does it have to be their magic damage

[daring pine]

idk

it's dumb

[wicked delta]

Viper is reaper’s coked up cousin

[verbal frost]

They just gotta make dragoon the dancer / bard of melee.

It’s a whole big ass faction in lore.

[wicked delta]

Do you play Warhammer

[verbal frost]

Nah

[daring pine]

dragoons? big faction?

[verbal frost]

Ye

Like for a job

[wicked delta]

Damn

[verbal frost]

I think dragoon has the biggest faction / army

I can’t think of any other that has a bigger one

[rain geode]

I thought the dragoons where just a handfull of weirdos around ishgard

[dapper zealot]

They have the smallest

[verbal frost]

Are you sure?

[wicked delta]

Yeah there are not that many dragoons

[dapper zealot]

yes

[verbal frost]

There are jobs that essentially have none

[daring pine]

i can't think of any dragoons other than the WoL, estinien and the guy that gives you the job

[dapper zealot]

Dragoons are a huge deal but they die a lot

[wicked delta]

Yeah

[dapper zealot]

and it's incredibly demanding

[rain geode]

theres a handful of no name ones

[verbal frost]

Not sure tbh. But like the vibe from the Heavensward trailer. Is these dragoons are a fucking unit.

[sick dirge]

theres the spiked butt guy

[daring pine]

i mean they are a fucking unit

[verbal frost]

So that’s my thinking as to why I think dragoons should be the team melee

[rain geode]

a small unit

[daring pine]

a small unit yes

[wicked delta]

Like there should be more of them but a lot of them just get diff’d by dragons

[daring pine]

but goated

[wicked delta]

Sob

[verbal frost]

Like I guess DRG mains might get mad

[daring pine]

maybe they should just jump higher

[verbal frost]

They are parse demons

But more raidbuffs will probably equal better parse anyways

[daring pine]

considering how little of the community parses i wouldn't think so

[verbal frost]

Tbf

[rain geode]

I mean Dragoon already has a raid buff

[verbal frost]

Nobody is more parse made than ninja players

They are addicted

[wicked delta]

Idk

I think samurai players are worse

[rain geode]

All the single target dotons I see would like to disagree lol

[daring pine]

i've only ever seen shitty ninja players

[wicked delta]

(Sorry Noble)

[daring pine]

samurais on the other hand

ya

its ok we like noble

[verbal frost]

Ye samurai’s crazy

[wicked delta]

Yeah but he deserves the slander

[daring pine]

flashbacks to that samurai in m8s that kept overlapping his aoe with mine during TR

:)

[verbal frost]

What I’m saying is none of the melees have multiple raidbuffs

[daring pine]

idk how i didnt get clipped

[verbal frost]

Dragoons actually used to have 2 raidbuffs

They had the dragon eye

[rain geode]

yeah you spread them out so most people get to have a raid buff

[daring pine]

i think multiple raidbuffs would be a bit overkill

[verbal frost]

It was like AST card kind of

[rain geode]

that way you dont feel like you have to bring the guy who has a lot of buffs

[verbal frost]

If you remove the buffs from the other melees not really imo

Like how I see it

[wicked delta]

It used to be a thing in Heavensward but that also meant the toxicity was just worse

[verbal frost]

4/6 melees have raid buffs right now

[wicked delta]

Some phys range players refused to play without a dragoon in their team lol

[verbal frost]

When it should really be like 2/6 if you want healthy game design

So I think DRG / MONK should keep raidbuffs

[rain geode]

sure but then you have to deal with people giving you shit because your not playing the guy with all the raid buffs

[verbal frost]

probably just take it away from reaper and ninja

[rain geode]

I think 4/6 is kinda the perfect amount

[visual geyser]

Same

[verbal frost]

It’s just way too much

[visual geyser]

They work differently too

[daring pine]

just bring gnb/war/whm/sge/vpr/sam/mch/blm to a raid

trust

[verbal frost]

Too many raidbuffs rn.

[verbal frost]

When ppl say you can “clear with any comp”

[daring pine]

i mean you can lol

[verbal frost]

Ye good luck clearing with this comp in PF

I’ve never seen it before

[daring pine]

pf is a shithole so that tracks

[verbal frost]

I think the worst I had was like

Replace rpr with vpr

[rain geode]

4/6 is the perfect amount you get two differnt flavors of greedy then everyone else gets to have a raid buff

[verbal frost]

And that was the worst comp I was in

[verbal frost]

Ehhh idk

[daring pine]

have a sch and drg in ur party then summon the rng gods to crit everything

[verbal frost]

I just think more jobs should not have a raidbuff

Than should

Just how I think at this point honestly

It’s more healthy this way.

[verbal frost]

This what I pray for as reaper

dnc also? But they’ll probably DP the dragoon instead of me sadly.

[rain geode]

Eh if you start taking raid buffs away especially then giving those raid buffs to anther guy you just make the game toxic

[verbal frost]

wdym?

It’s just jobs at the end of the day

nothing will really change

[daring pine]

drg and rpr are equal in dp prio afaik

[rain geode]

Most people will complain that your not bringing the guy w/ raid buffs

[verbal frost]

the fact DRG is equal to RPR just shows the balance is shit lol

[visual geyser]

?

[daring pine]

huh

[rain geode]

in this hypothetical world

not in the current world

[sick dirge]

go figure

[verbal frost]

Nah

[daring pine]

we're just talking about dance partner priority in a vacuum

oh rpr is above drg

[verbal frost]

Ye I thought DRG was lowest

[versed kayak]

they really really like reaper

[wicked delta]

Depends on what fight we’re talking though

[verbal frost]

DRG does the least dmg out of the melees I think

I don’t think it’s on par with black mage tho that’s wild

[wicked delta]

In FRU for example, id probably DP the drg first

[alpine plover]

meowgonsong

[wicked delta]

Then switch to reaper afterwards

Because reaper is doodoo trash garbage in p1

[verbal frost]

It’s not that bad honestly

[alpine plover]

[verbal frost]

I think it still does more damage than dragoon in p1

[rain geode]

100% yes your already talking about how bad RPR is because it does like 5-6% less giving everyones raid buffs to one guy is only gonna make problems like that worse

[daring pine]

idk in m6s you might wanna dp the melee in your party that does better cleave

etc etc

[verbal frost]

Dragoon just has a better raidbuff

[verbal frost]

Not rlly

That already happens lol

[alpine plover]

meowgoon

[daring pine]

this was my comp earlier in m8s

collect my raidbuffs

[verbal frost]

Less raid buffs will only make the game more healthy

[rain geode]

Itll make the game less healthy and more toxic

[verbal frost]

How?

I just don’t understand that logic

Viper and black mage are the most popular jobs

[daring pine]

idk i feel like vpr popularity has fallen off a cliff

[wicked delta]

Paired alongside jobs with raid buffs

[daring pine]

i'd probably put sam up there considering how many i see

[verbal frost]

in content where dps actually matters people say fuck vpr

FRU is a clear example lol

but in savage it’s very popular

[visual geyser]

Reaper sucks unfort

[verbal frost]

I’m pretty sure for FRU the most played ones are DRG and monk

[wicked delta]

VPR was popular this tier bc it has great cleaving potential

[verbal frost]

Ye

[daring pine]

maybe if it's week 1 or they're trying to parse something

[rapid whale]

vpr is a good job for prog too because any downtime you just disengage and throw boomerangs

[wicked delta]

It probably wont do as good next tier if we don’t get more adds phases lol

[rapid whale]

lose 0 dmg

[verbal frost]

Unless VPR gets buffs I don’t see it being played much lol.

[wicked delta]

Thats also true

[visual geyser]

They nerfed its aoes too

[verbal frost]

But it depends on how hard the dps checks are.

[rain geode]

yup and now those players are gonna complain if you dont play the guy who has all the raidbuffs

[visual geyser]

Dps Checks will be free

[verbal frost]

One of the fights is def two bosses tho tbf.

I think

[visual geyser]

3 weeks of tome

[wicked delta]

Yeah what dps check

[visual geyser]

Lmao

[alpine plover]

mb

[wicked delta]

You basically get free tome pieces this tier

[verbal frost]

What?

Just don’t see this logic

[rain geode]

that I believe

[wicked delta]

What they mean is

[verbal frost]

Viper and Black Mage horrible bursts anyways

They don’t care about raidbuffs

[rain geode]

People are Already toxic to MCH players

[verbal frost]

Removing raidbuffs would make them better if anything.

[wicked delta]

selfish jobs benefit from jobs with raid buffs
so people will refuse to play with ppl who wont feed their dps

[alpine plover]

horrible heists

[verbal frost]

The only selfish job that actually benefits from raidbuffs is samurai

[alpine plover]

mb

[verbal frost]

Like more than raidbuff jobs

[alpine plover]

switches to sge

[verbal frost]

It’s just how they balance it rn sadly

[wicked delta]

You hate me Tithus…

[verbal frost]

The only exception is probably dancer since DP Viper or RPR is still better than the other melees for the most part

Because of standard step

[alpine plover]

nyo

i dont hate you

[daring pine]

oh

tobi

[alpine plover]

proof: i want us to suffer together in chaotic

[daring pine]

i saw p2 btw

[alpine plover]

[rapid whale]

grats on p2

[wicked delta]

[rain geode]

but if you give one guy most of the raid buff he's going to become or at least perceived as mandatory to bring

[verbal frost]

For a static sure ig

In PF nobody cares.

[rain geode]

Nobody cares because most people get a raid buff so it hardly matters

[verbal frost]

Unless a job is insanely overpowered like Picto, or a dps check is very tight, nobody cares.

[rain geode]

youre change would make it a problem

[verbal frost]

Removing most raid buffs would have so many positive effects honestly.

[alpine plover]

picto is not overpowered anymore

[rain geode]

It would mostly have negative effects tbh

[verbal frost]

Would make dps checks together because more consistency will be required.

Also because stacking raid buffs won’t be as strong

[rain geode]

well your saying you want to put multiple on DRG so he would just stack them

[verbal frost]

Say, if red mage was the only caster with a raid buffs, but it does slightly less damage than black mage and picto.

Is it really worth bringing it just for the raidbuff?

[verbal frost]

DRG used to have multiple anyways.

[rain geode]

sounds like a good thing they changed it

[trim frost]

no left eye was peam

[verbal frost]

EW DRG was waayyyyy better

I just don’t get why you want jobs to have raidbuffs, even if it doesn’t fit the job fantasy.

When they can have way more interesting expression

[rain geode]

well first of all I think all the buffs that exist fit the fantasy

[verbal frost]

Explain each of them, then.

[timber stratus]

bard goes graaaaah and you get super hype

[rain geode]

Im not gonna sit here and explain every buff in the game tell me what you think is the least fitting

[verbal frost]

I already said earlier

Jobs with raidbuffs rn

AST, SCH, BRD, DNC, DRG, RPR, NIN, MNK, PCT, RDM. SMN.

[rain geode]

youve been saying silly stuff all night I cant possible rememeber it all which job has a raid buff that you think lorewise fits the least

[verbal frost]

Jobs that should keep raidbuffs:

[trim frost]

job identity is a buzzword anyway

doesnt mean shit

[verbal frost]

It’s not

Just look at other mmos

Anyways

[rain geode]

I mean you are the one suggestion we take away some of a jobs identity by taking their raid buffs away

[verbal frost]

AST, SCH, BRD, DNC, RDM, DRG, MNK.

Should keep

[lyric summit]

job identity is umbrella term for "things i came up with that game devs should add because its really cool in my head"

[verbal frost]

Remove from NIN, RPR, PCT, SMN (unless hydaelyn raidbuff).

[visual geyser]

“However, because there will be a longer gap between the release of Patch 7.4 and the release of Savage than usual, the item level you can increase between the patch release and the release of Savage will also be different from usual. To compensate for this, we have adjusted the numerical values ​​so that it will be just as challenging as usual for those aiming to clear the game on the first week. So, rather than thinking that it will be easier than expected to clear, you can think of it as just as challenging as usual. Please note that this does not mean that you can just get your gear as casually as possible because there will be a longer gap than usual”

[trim frost]

keep headcanons as headcanons please

[verbal frost]

Just wait until 8.0. You’ll see.

[trim frost]

that's good

[daring pine]

nice

[trim frost]

lmao.

okay man

[rain geode]

damn I wanted it to be easy, oh well we will clear either way.

[trim frost]

i hope the tuning actually is how he says it is and we don't get another fucking lhw

[lyric summit]

does that mean reclears will have dps check

because we start at +10ilvl already

[verbal frost]

I wish they would make it super hard. So people actually start complaining.

[robust shoal]

That's gonna be real annoying if I want to try to multi-role in pugs on my alt

[lyric summit]

it maintains the challenge for early proggers but makes it harder for slow groups ngl

[robust shoal]

People will want to see scouting tome pieces if I VPR but I'm gonna be buying all fending

[trim frost]

why is this little man trying to out-aura me

[robust shoal]

Annoying thing about that is your third/fourth tome piece isn't even that big

[rain geode]

NIN typically work together often on missions makes perfect sense for them to have a raid buff, RPR use dark arts to buff themselves it makes sense they could use it to buff others as well, PCT can inspire other with its pictures (literally like bard buffs with its songs) and SMN can literally conjure beings it makes sense they could use that energy to empower.

[robust shoal]

good crafted pieces can beat base tome

[rain geode]

so yeah they all make perfect sense

[verbal frost]

SMN literally uses random arcanist move and its a raidbuff apparently

The only one that makes sense you said is PCT.

At least to me.

[rain geode]

Im sorry your just being silly then

[verbal frost]

For sure. For sure.

I mean keep playing the game.

You’ll eventually see what I told you is true.

[trim frost]

love u but you're not gonna get anywhere arguing against malformed opinions

[versed kayak]

is this from the famitsu interview or somewhere else?

[verbal frost]

Not much I can do to convince you right now. The game is not hard.

[lyric summit]

what are you trying to convince people of again

[verbal frost]

The most I can say is that Yoshida has literally said himself he wants to make jobs more in interesting and unique.

So just wait until next expac.

[trim frost]

make jobs exactly like i want them because i said so

• whatever this corny "you'll all see" attitude is

[verbal frost]

When the developers themselves literally disagree with you.

I don’t know what to say.

I feel like all you do is talk and no backbone.

[lyric summit]

im so confused bruh what are you arguing for what's the two opposing opinions here 😭

"my ideas are really cool actually" vs "people do not agree with my really cool opinions"

[visual geyser]

Game watch

[rain geode]

He said that RPR having a raid buff doesnt make lore sense and I say it does. tl:dr

[visual geyser]

I like my raid buff

[rain geode]

Same

[visual geyser]

Moar chakra

[lyric summit]

reaper sucks opinion dismissed

[verbal frost]

From yoshida himself

In samurai main anyways now

[verbal frost]

Valcors is the definition of a yapper. I think they obsessed with me. At least T’ew has actually bothered to use logic.

[trim frost]

lore-job connectivity stopped being relevant the moment they got rid of job quests in favor of role quests

i have no need to argue in good faith with bait

[pale blade]

Facts and Logic™ types are lmao

[lyric summit]

no you kinda are the one yapping

[verbal frost]

I may disagree with T’ew, but they are actually presenting an argument.

[pale blade]

Nah I'll just win by eating your entrails

[verbal frost]

Valcors past 10 messages beside the most recent one, have all been about me specifically.

[trim frost]

ive literally just popped in for a couple minutes here and there

[verbal frost]

Just scroll up, lol.

[zealous meteor]

[rain geode]

TBF youve been taking up all the oxygen in the room for the the past 3ish hours

[pale blade]

You're a fascinating person. Perhaps I should take you to be studied in a lab?

[rapid whale]

do they have brownies

[pale blade]

No

[rapid whale]

then i dont wanna go

[verbal frost]

No thanks then.

[trim frost]

i saw the uh

barefoot contessa brownie pudding recipe

it looks interesting

[pale blade]

The what brownie

[trim frost]

https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ina-garten/brownie-pudding-recipe-1945347

its not really pudding

just one kinda giant melty brownie

[alpine plover]

i mean i'd still eat it

doesn't look bad

[trim frost]

seems pretty simple to make too

[verbal frost]

Having celiac sucks.

[versed kayak]

why is the brownie barefoot

[rain geode]

because feet are awesome

[trim frost]

so true mods pin that

[rain geode]

Wait no I dont wanna become the feet girl

[zealous meteor]

don't worry chiyo is already that

[trim frost]

ew what fucking material are these gloves made of why is the dye so weird

[rain geode]

Looks like rubber

[amber fable]

Latex

[rain geode]

Actually you know what this game actually needs to be added?

Tail ornament let me put a little bow on my tail

[trim frost]

https://tenor.com/view/void-hollow-hollow-face-cursed-cry-about-it-gif-22118456

[zealous meteor]

you know what this game really needs? removing malera and replacing them with lalafells

[trim frost]

bro can i help you

why am i a lalafell magnet today

[versed kayak]

would probably require a fanta to change to a entirely different tail type

[zealous meteor]

"do you have games on your phone"

[rain geode]

Well... I at least have a bunch of fantas sitting in a retainer!

Although best case scenrio is it would work like facewear

[versed kayak]

would that best case for beards too and yet here we are

[trim frost]

beards 😔

[rain geode]

I guess the downside if it would liked facewear would be anyone not playing a race with a tail would get useless loot so maybe it should just be a fanta thing

[trim frost]

oh.

[versed kayak]

they could let you change it with the aesthetician

he can already do eye surgery to install headlights on lizzers

[trim frost]

my crackpot theory is that hardiboiled existing means interchangeable facial features like beards between faces for 8.0

brute bomber is going to show up again but with stubble trust

[pale blade]

Yeah I think that's the sentiment people held about Hildibrand for the longest time, that it's partially a testbed for character models and animations

[trim frost]

you know the cutscenes where hildibrand and godbert's faces get deep fried

yeah those are considered separate npc faces

[versed kayak]

haven't the Devs said that it's for animations already?

[solar apex]

So lemme get this straight. Coils are somewhere between Ex and Savage by default and the second has an additional proper Savage version?

[zealous meteor]

headlights,,,,

[pale blade]

They did?

[trim frost]

basically yeah

[solar apex]

fair enough

[trim frost]

hard to judge by modern standards but just know it's a lot harder than basically everything else arr has to offer

[versed kayak]

I thought so, but I I've only seen people mention it, don't have any source

[trim frost]

i seem to recall that as well

[rapid whale]

yea from what i remember hildi quest line is basically flexing their animation chops

to then make better cut scenes in the future

[vast jacinth]

And since coils arent in roulettes it wont pop if you queque for it unless like 8 sprouts q in

[rain geode]

thats a good solution the other would just to be to always make every one you release tradable so you can get some value out of it even if you dont have a tail

[vast jacinth]

Ngl hildi is silly and i like it yD and go off testing out your animations engine

[pale blade]

Then yeah it's probably not wrong to say that Hildibrand exists partially as a testbed

[vast jacinth]

Or bones

[dapper zealot]

The EW slamdunk is a prototype for blitzball :)

[rapid whale]

raid plan confirmed to be available in combat and able to change pages mid combat pog

[jade nimbus]

Neat

Uronically while not an issue, having a raid plan in game if it is good means it is a great qol

[rapid whale]

yea

no more hieroglyphs

just click raid plan and see

[dapper zealot]

Rip DICBA4

[jade nimbus]

Still funny asf that m8 raid plan was dogc2 or something like that

[dapper zealot]

I need the command panel already

[rapid whale]

It's basically the collapsing hot bars people already used macros for right

[pale blade]

Yeah, the fact that it is makes it a big plus so no second monitor memes... hopefully

[dapper zealot]

Basically yeah

4 pages of 25 slots

[rain geode]

importantly its more slots which makes it a lot less awkward to use

[visual geyser]

Really? Awesome

I can finally take that disgusting shit off the side of my screen

[rapid whale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscussion/comments/1pdwe3t/patch_74_yoship_media_interviews

[golden jewel]

genuinely, how long did it take yall to get your first phantom relic made
my time available to play is iffy so im worried it might take like months lol

[sick dirge]

like a week

[torn kindle]

The base relic takes like a week of fate farming at the worst

[sick dirge]

but i also slacked off on the grind for a bit so it probably wouldve taken roughly 3 days :p

[torn kindle]

The first upgrade though, that’s a solid 2 weeks of roulettes if you don’t spam them without the daily bonus

[dapper zealot]

Pls omg

[alpine plover]

where is this from

[golden jewel]

ive been trying to stick to CE's, since they have a 20% drop rate vs. a 5% drop
but im also leveling my knowledge level at the same time

[rapid whale]

Reddit thread I linked above

[alpine plover]

oh

[visual geyser]

The base relic took me 3 days

[rapid whale]

When you get sick of ce and only need a few left fate the way to go imho cuz you isolate the specific kind you need

[visual geyser]

The roulette step took me 2 weeks

Because I was plying silksong and only logged on to do dailies lol

[golden jewel]

i do roulettes every day for leveling my off-classes so that might go faster for me

[visual geyser]

It won’t

[dapper zealot]

Oh that's nice

[alpine plover]

i did forked tower 20 times before i finished my base relic

[torn kindle]

Definitely gonna do advanced if the rewards aren’t ass

(They probably will be)

[sick dirge]

(they will)

[rain geode]

speaking of should I do my SCH relic first for my SGE relic first

or is it best to do them at the same time

[sick dirge]

surely the variant dungeon will drop along with 7.4 and not in a mini patch

[visual geyser]

?

[rapid whale]

I thought the glam they showed was really pretty

[trim frost]

lol

[sick dirge]

[torn kindle]

Yeah but it might be from variant

[visual geyser]

DT has had good rewards

I’m not worried as much

[trim frost]

stares at quantum

[visual geyser]

Just add a bonus system/or weekly log

[rain geode]

Well besides Q40 lmao

[sick dirge]

ok yea im looking at the release dates for the previous variants

[rapid whale]

Imagine it gets another really good hair style

[torn kindle]

They’re redoing the difficulty so who knows the reward structure

[rapid whale]

I thought people loved q40 hair style

[visual geyser]

Q40 is bad but q15 and others aren’t the worst

[sick dirge]

q40 having shit rewards is genuine comedy

and yet

[torn kindle]

Q40 is only for bragging rights

[rain geode]

the hair isnt from Q40

[versed kayak]

I think that's just a DD hairstyle

[visual geyser]

I mean it’s a challenge fight

[rapid whale]

Ohh

[rain geode]

as you can see I have it myself

[trim frost]

i would honestly rather have the glam from doing advanced or criterion a couple times over farming the variant difficulty like 20 times

[visual geyser]

And then if you wanna farm the rewards

You drop it down

[trim frost]

noir coat itself being nine runs of sil’dihn

awful

[rain geode]

crazy thing to me is like all the had to do to make it passible was have it drop a totem that lets you upgrade the 755 weapon to 760 or 765 and give it a glow effect.

[rapid whale]

Low key I thought the q40 reward was going to be a shiny upgrade materials for the DD weapon, like how alo savage made tome weapon shiny

[sick dirge]

wdym you dont wanna beat up a mouse/whatever other bosses there are 9 times

[trim frost]

pt weapons not glowing is definitely a choice

[visual geyser]

I think they could’ve had the weps glow

[rapid whale]

Ya same thoughts

[wicked delta]

Next expansion

[trim frost]

can they back implement quantum for excalibur

[rapid whale]

Cuz the weapon designs themselves were really pretty

[wicked delta]

Please look forward to it.

[rain geode]

I think you can have the best of both worlds make it not glow but have Q40 drop a version that glows

[trim frost]

that would be nice

[rain geode]

or probably better for it to be an upgrade material to make the non-glowy version glowy

and maybe make it 765 since its ulti level its probably fine to have max ilevel

[trim frost]

sacramental/first light weapons somehow being even more ass than eo weapons because they’re undyeable

[molten moon]

Take that back

The smn/sch books are so pretty

[alpine plover]

what title do you get from the solo new DD

[sick dirge]

i mean

[rain geode]

some of them are ok but yeah not dying means you have to bend your glam around it

[trim frost]

i don’t dislike some of the designs

[rain geode]

I actually really like the AST weapon

[trim frost]

i just think it’s a shame to not have dyeability option for it at all

[rapid whale]

Cotton I finished bozja are you proud

[sick dirge]

the enlightened

[molten moon]

[trim frost]

hop on drs

[molten moon]

Yeah hop on DRS

[alpine plover]

[molten moon]

Sign up for Lynn's run this weekend for real though

[alpine plover]

bapl go do drs

[molten moon]

Guarantee you your clear

[trim frost]

i will consider it

[molten moon]

I'll even go with you

[trim frost]

i don’t think my holster is ready yet

[alpine plover]

just buy some fragments

[molten moon]

Ask people there if you're missing stuff too

[visual geyser]

GNB weapon is goated

So is the MCH weapon

[rapid whale]

I'm NGL I just followed my friend around and stood on them the entire time

[molten moon]

Lots of vets had a huge hoard to give away for free if needed

Wait did you do DRS bapple?

[rapid whale]

Didn't understand and mechanic other than the chess moves

Ya I did everything but savage

[molten moon]

OK now go do savage

It's actually fun

Plus do it now before it dies off next patch

[visual geyser]

Do forked

[rain geode]

Really I feel the GNB weapon is to bulky

[alpine plover]

get lvl 18 resistance and do DRS

or 15

idk how much NA wants

[rapid whale]

I'm 25

[molten moon]

18 best for QoL

[alpine plover]

perfect

[torn kindle]

Orthos/Enaretos weapons goated for letting you dye the glowy lines

[alpine plover]

then defo sign up

[molten moon]

Yeah go sign up

[rapid whale]

I did the diaurna or whatever

[molten moon]

Nah that's just normal mode

[rapid whale]

Oh is there more after

[molten moon]

Delubrum Regina savage is the super fun one

It's optional content

[alpine plover]

it's like forked tower in a way. needs organized group basically

[molten moon]

Kind of like 4 extreme trials duct taped together with the trash from criterion

Needs an organised group yeah

[rapid whale]

Forked seemed fun but I got mad at oc when I hit like 12 of multiple jelly colors before receiving even 1 of 2

Never went back lol

[rain geode]

I would try forked but getting what is it 48 people seems uh...

at least if Im remembering what forked it

[rapid whale]

You do it over discord

[molten moon]

Yeah it's done over discord atm

[rain geode]

I guess the other question is... is there a reason to do it?

[molten moon]

For fun

[rapid whale]

Ain't nobody got 48 friends

There's also a world where you need a +2 set to make the new set

[rain geode]

tbh im probably close but I can certainly you about 0 of them play ffxiv

[rapid whale]

I think that's how bozja did it, need+2 set from zone 1 combined with +1 set from zone 2 to create +2 set of zone 2

[molten moon]

There's pick up groups at different prog points in a couple discords for NA

[wicked delta]

Damn ur so young 🥺

[rain geode]

Tho it depends on how strict you wanna get with the word friend

[rapid whale]

Die

[rain geode]

Im 27 and I dont feel young

[wicked delta]

Cant believe ur only 2 years older than me Bapple!

[rain geode]

Where do you start the DT relics?

[wicked delta]

So cool…..

[rapid whale]

Oc

[wicked delta]

Occult Cresent

Starting quest should be in Tully

[rain geode]

any shot you remember the name?

[rapid whale]

The blue one

You've been doing all your blue quests right

[wicked delta]

One last hurrah

[jade nimbus]

Started by Gerolt

[rain geode]

pfft no

[rapid whale]

Somebody shoot this person

[zealous meteor]

kill

[rain geode]

Ive done... most of them

but like past a certain point

[zealous meteor]

kill

[rain geode]

theres sooooo many

ok I have to say it

that doesnt look like kill

[zealous meteor]

well it is

[jagged aspen]

its not that many no?

[zealous meteor]

im killing

[jagged aspen]

i think i just skipped everything

[rain geode]

Its like a bunch and like a bunch of it is optional low level dungeons

[rapid whale]

I just did the ones in dawntrail so I feel you

[jagged aspen]

this chain, right?

[rapid whale]

Me having not doing Eden raids but cleared fru

[jagged aspen]

that's illegal

[rain geode]

ok thats a little insane tho ngl

I at least did the like big Blue quests like the raid and alliance raids

[dapper zealot]

Wtf

[rain geode]

well most of them

[dapper zealot]

Go do them

[jagged aspen]

ngl. they should change ult requirements from some random savage that's completely unrelated to the raid, to actually finishing story of the related raid

[quick verge]

nolol

[pale blade]

hwat

[rapid whale]

Lhw effect was bad enough

[rain geode]

I mean the idea of the req is to make sure you can handle the fight

[jagged aspen]

like, what does having to suffer through p8s pf have to do with doing TOP

[rapid whale]

To filter people from top pf

[quick verge]

you must be this tall to ride

[versed kayak]

if you wanna do TOP then p8s should not be an issue at all

[quick verge]

if u can’t body a 2 minute fight in 2025 u shouldn’t do top

[wicked delta]

Bapple automatically disqualified

[quick verge]

and if you couldn’t do it on content

you shouldn’t do top

[jagged aspen]

Yea doing unsync exdeath solo is suuch a great filter nowadays isnt it

[rapid whale]

Duck you I cleared top

[versed kayak]

that's just an argument against what you're saying

[sinful brook]

It was also to make it so that gear from the tier the ult comes from has value

[rain geode]

Now since you can unsync the savages it becomes less of a bar with time but y'know its the thought that counts

[jagged aspen]

It's just a completely unrelated requirement. Why isn't current savage a suitable replacement for it then?

[versed kayak]

locking DSR behind post HW msq? :D

[wicked delta]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-lebron-james-acting-scary-taunt-gif-13634562007812574019

[sinful brook]

And also keeps parity with the level the content is released for

[jagged aspen]

No? It's an argument that it's not a challenge, just a random chore. Especially if you haven't done the raid series, since for instance omega raids have nothing to do with coils

[wicked delta]

Im just calling you a shortie

Happy for your TOP clears tho!

[sinful brook]

Makes little sense for lv60 content to be an unlock condition for lv90 content

[versed kayak]

second panda savage gear was bis for top

lhw is bis for fru

[jagged aspen]

Maybe make clearing any current savage tier an alternative unlock requirement then?

[versed kayak]

it's not unrelated

[jagged aspen]

keyword was

[rapid whale]

I mean

[versed kayak]

well, finishing base shb unlocks unreal trials but yeah

why would they change the requirement afterwards

[rapid whale]

If the new argument is if you don't clear an on patch savage you can't ultimate raid period

As in it locks for everyone until the tier is done every time

That's a bit much but I kinda like it

[jagged aspen]

I did say alternate unlock

Obviously locking all ults for everyone when M12 comes out is not cool

[fierce matrix]

what did i wake up to

[sinful brook]

I think it's not really good for people like chiyo

Who did ults before a full tier

[wicked delta]

Hello Chinese Furen

[jagged aspen]

Nothing much, just my usual rant about having to do old savage raids

[fierce matrix]

[rapid whale]

I mean yeah UWU pf was full of people who had no business being there

[versed kayak]

uwu, ucob and tea basically have no requirements to unlock them already, and the panda raid die quick unsync

[rapid whale]

That much I'll agree with

[versed kayak]

People also still do p8s for glam

[fierce matrix]

P8s still requires you to do HC and NA

If people cant do that then dont do top

[boreal pumice]

Mount

[jagged aspen]

have you tried doing omega raid quest on a new character? i fall asleep when waiting for monitors to blow up

p8 wont require HC soon enough

[versed kayak]

idk I did them MiNe and got the unlock that way so

[sick reef]

I mean what is your suggestion for an alternative path to unlock ults?

[jagged aspen]

any current savage would be good enough no?

[fierce matrix]

Idk doing a quick unsynced piece of content takes no time at all, and when its current it makes sense to have it

Unless your complaint is that it doesn't prepare people for ulti

[jagged aspen]

Like, if you cleared m8s in this patch, that should qualify you for attempting ults, moreso than doing unsync p8s or whatever

[rain geode]

then your constantly updating it and thats also kinda annoying in its own way.

[sick reef]

Sure ig but why fix/change a system that works?

[sinful brook]

I'm just not seeing how that matters

Or why it's important the requirements change

[fierce matrix]

You can solo both omega savage fights in like 3 minutes

[sinful brook]

It's not like clearing the savage means you can play the game lol

[versed kayak]

it's a lot of dev work to save someone an hour of pf maybe

[jagged aspen]

Especialyl when it's something like panda that still requires learning strats, for content that you won't ever touch again

[sick reef]

Isn't that like 2 or 3 real mechanics

[jagged aspen]

Sure but it definitely means more than clearing an old savage unsync

[sinful brook]

Not really

[fierce matrix]

Also if you cant do 2 or 3 mechs unsynced why are you stepping into top

Looper will filter you quick LOL

[wicked delta]

Want to kiss Omega M

[rapid whale]

Good luck seeing them

[fierce matrix]

Gotta get past beetle

[sick reef]

Looper humbling ™️

[fierce matrix]

Mmm panto

[wicked delta]

I’ll make it work

[sinful brook]

This is like saying msqing to 100 means something

[wicked delta]

I’ll just eat the beetle

[sinful brook]

Idk the content itself will filter people if necessary

[rapid whale]

This is why you get sick

[rain geode]

I want to kiss the uhhh robot

[wicked delta]

Why do you hate me

Let me dream of kissing men

[sinful brook]

Idk why there needs to be additional esoteric requirements that update for arbitrary reasons

[rapid whale]

Eating random beetles is a good way to get sick tobi

[sinful brook]

It doesn't improve the experience

[jagged aspen]

p8s is way more esoteric nowadays 🤷

or well, any old savage for that matter

[zealous meteor]

i think it's less "i can't do mechanics unsynced" and more "i have to learn a completely different irrelevant fight just to unlock the fight i do want to prog"

[sick reef]

Bro baited endgame chat n left 😭

[wicked delta]

Im not eating a random fucking beetle… im eating THEEEE Omega beetle

[jagged aspen]

especially for new players that havent done the raid series

[wicked delta]

Who

[sick reef]

I don't think a new player is thinking about doing ults ngl

[zealous meteor]

but also you're learning like 3 minutes of fight at most

[rain geode]

I mean sure but if you take that logic all the way why do you have to do normal raid to unlock savage then?

[rapid whale]

Nope I wanted to do ultimates before I even reached Storm blood

[sick reef]

Riv lmao but my wifi is shitty so everythjfg I send sends later

[jagged aspen]

new player doesn't mean bad though? theres plenty of ppl that played other mmos on a decent level and are trying out xiv

[wicked delta]

Oh I thought it was someone else and almost got excited

[jagged aspen]

some will have a rough learning experience, but i fail to see how something like exdeath or kefka prepares them for it

[wicked delta]

#wewontdropnames

[fierce matrix]

Every piece of content and every mech you do is valuable

[sick reef]

Think of it as stepping stones

[fierce matrix]

As a raider, people should know that

Doing snakes to understand snake prio

[rain geode]

well I dont know if I would go that far but like yeah I like people having to do some basics first

[fierce matrix]

Insanely important

Nah I would.

[jagged aspen]

and yea thats basically what im trying to say

[zealous meteor]

well yeah i still disagree with "weh i don't wanna do P8S for TOP"

[sinful brook]

Idk I think the argument for changing requirements doesn't improve this

[rapid whale]

It's so funny whenever I go do old content and I'm like, "get that's like the mechanic from a Dawn trail savage fight" only to realize that means the solutions have been in the game for like a decade

[fierce matrix]

YES

EXACTLY

[versed kayak]

that's an hour of your time for a fight you'll spend many many hours in

[jagged aspen]

theres plenty of mechs in the game. 99% of them arent particularly hard, they just take time to study and practice

[sinful brook]

It's also a moment of

[zealous meteor]

yea

[sinful brook]

I don't want to play the game to play the gamr

[sick reef]

Ye if u change reqs then ur just adding a new thing to learn before u prog sum else

[fierce matrix]

I just also fundamentally disagree with that they are useless things to learn

They are always valuable imo

Shits so similar across tiers and fights

[zealous meteor]

but the people annoyed at P8S being a requirement for TOP (probably) aren't like "unsyncing savage is too hard ;-; i still wanna do ults tho"

[jagged aspen]

the only relationship between top and abyssos is that they were relevant in the same patch

[rain geode]

maybe but i dont remember keeping a lot of the knowledge from my time with ARR

[zealous meteor]

to be fair ARR is just a mess

[fierce matrix]

I literally reference orb gathering from ramuh ex on fights all the time

[verbal frost]

If you can't do high concept 1, you have no business doing TOP.

[fierce matrix]

Ifrit dashes is also just something you remember

[jagged aspen]

sure, but the same can be said about every other mech in the game. why not have all of them as a gauntlet requirement to enter top, then?

[fierce matrix]

Like DSR is just ifrit dashes for the first mech

[verbal frost]

Savage should have never been unsyncable, that was the first mistake probably.

[rain geode]

I mean Ive never done Ramuh EX everyone said to skip the ARR exs

[jagged aspen]

it's not like they picked p8s specifically because they though it's a good test of skill, but purely because it was the latest savage in that patch

[fierce matrix]

We arent talking about normal fights

Ex+

[verbal frost]

If people can't do high concept 1 they should not be doing TOP

[fierce matrix]

No one gives a fuck about other shit lower than that

[jagged aspen]

and HC won't be a thing in 7.4 anyway

[verbal frost]

TOP is the hardest fight in the game. HC1 is a normal savage mechanic.

Yeah true.

[rain geode]

normal fight are technically speaking a piece of content

[verbal frost]

HC1 is not even that hard, that's the funny thing.

HC2 is a much more complex mechanic.

[fierce matrix]

Again we arent talking about that

I get they are content but im talking stuff that has strats

And prios

Endgame lounge btw

[jagged aspen]

what's stopping people from sending 6 dps and skipping HC currently btw?

[sinful brook]

I think it's also facetious to say they "picked" the fight to connect the unlock

[verbal frost]

Well

like right now

[wicked delta]

People suck

[verbal frost]

it requires everyone to be BiS

and NA1 requires

[jagged aspen]

surely you can still cheese NA

[verbal frost]

well I mean it's still mechanics right

not rlly

[jagged aspen]

just have it roll on dps and tanks invuln

[verbal frost]

NA1 is body check

[wicked delta]

Having safety net helps

[verbal frost]

it's slightly cheesable

is it worth gambling though? No.

[rain geode]

Fair enough all im saying is you said all pieces of content

[verbal frost]

NA1 even for the fire / ice if you hvae not enough ppl you die sometimes

I think fire you must have 2

Ice I think 2 is fine insteadof 3

I'm not sure.

[fierce matrix]

I mean also who cares if they learn anything if the unlock is so old. But requiring people to also do the latest savage means people cant focus prog an ulti and have to stop to prog the newest tier. Or if a tier is piss easy like LHW you just get a free ulti unlock without prep which at that point why not just unsync old stuff

[verbal frost]

But like I'll say it again

[jagged aspen]

i mean, you just have tanks bait both and invuln, that should be good enough?

[verbal frost]

If people cannot do the savage unsyncs, they hvae zero business attempting the ultimate unlocked by it.

They will 100% grief pf.

[fierce matrix]

Its not the fact that they cant

Like they said

Its that its just tedious and they dont want to do it

[verbal frost]

I don't really think ultimate should have unlock requirement anyways, tbh.

Who cares that much?

But It's just how it is, I guess.

I guess it's to filter the trolls, when the content is current.

[fierce matrix]

I would rather people not walk into ulti without clearing the current savage tier thats dropped

[verbal frost]

When it's not current anymore, I don't really see the point.

[jagged aspen]

Pretty much. If you cleared current savage on content, then you can certainly figure out how to do an old one unsync, but the game still wants you to spend time doing that

[verbal frost]

I think that's fun actually

It's interesting.

They should consider doing savage unreals one day.

[fierce matrix]

Because then people can roll in with full augmented tome and relic weapon and I crash out when they cant play the game

[torn kindle]

Me seeing the near-daily attempt of a sprout queueing for old extremes

[jagged aspen]

The raid series are fun yea, but I prefer to do them at my own pace, and not being forced to speedrun them if my friends decide to do an ult for instance

[fierce matrix]

People annoyed the fuck out of me fru day 1 pf cause they had non bis gear rolling in

And we werent meeting dps checks

In p1 no deaths

Id rather not make it worse with having no unlock requirement

[jagged aspen]

Just bring picto lol

[daring pine]

people still annoy the fuck out of me in m8s pf when i see them wearing arcanaut gear

[fierce matrix]

THIS WAS WITH PICTO

[daring pine]

and san d'oria gear

yes this happened

[verbal frost]

I think it's fine how it is.

Nothing really needs to change.

[jagged aspen]

For latest ult yea sure the requirement makes sense

[fierce matrix]

I had a 723 DRG roll in

[verbal frost]

But I would also be fine with there being no requirement.

Ultimately, I don't care that much tbh.

[daring pine]

7..23?

[fierce matrix]

Into day 1 fru

[rain geode]

wait whats wrong with second walk gear?

[verbal frost]

People lock the IL to BiS anyways, for ultimate.

[fierce matrix]

YES

[verbal frost]

If you aren't rolling in with BiS, you are trolling.

for current ultis.

[fierce matrix]

Just require savage

Idk makes sense

[daring pine]

this late into the tier you should have bis apart from weapon

[verbal frost]

That's the thing though to be honest.

[fierce matrix]

To do hardest content, you do hardest content

[verbal frost]

I mean I really don't care it's a non issue

[daring pine]

if you haven't cleared 8 at least

[verbal frost]

way bigger issues

[fierce matrix]

I really care

Its a big issue to me LOL

[verbal frost]

It's a weird hill to die on.

But I agree with both takes.

I can see the argument for both.

[jagged aspen]

if they're still progging there's a good chance it's a returning player and they physically cant get enough tomes

[rain geode]

I mean... I wanna but I have to do the savage to get 760 or burn maths but I have to save my maths for 7.4

[verbal frost]

this BiS is useless anyawys

[jagged aspen]

how much do you even earn from having capped maths going into 7.4

[verbal frost]

It's the most useless BiS since Eden's Promise.

[jagged aspen]

like how much do the mats cost on day 1

[verbal frost]

This BiS is only useful for Extreme and reclearing savage.

[remote gate]

do you guys think doom train is gonna be a good extreme

[verbal frost]

ye

better than Necron

that shit was ass

Just give it a reasonable dps check like Sphene.

[daring pine]

i mean if it's a returning player idrc but if they're been playing actively then erm

[jagged aspen]

well, it's kinda odd to call it useless when a huge portion of people doing savages don't touch ults or criterions anyway

[verbal frost]

Fuck, even Zoraal Ja on release.

[wicked delta]

No but if its worse than Necron then this game cannot be saved

[verbal frost]

The dps check for the recent extremes have been jokes.

[daring pine]

necron wasnt even that bad

[verbal frost]

It's really sad.

Necron was horrible

Nothing is good about that fight.

[rain geode]

ok so Im fine if I do it then since I literally did not have time to get 760

[jagged aspen]

doom train is supposed to be the new trial?

[sick reef]

Can train even be good if they tried?

[wicked delta]

I think Necron was kinda caca doodoo garbage

[daring pine]

well yeah because you have a reason

[wicked delta]

[jagged aspen]

i thought its brute bomber making a return in the form of a train in m11

[verbal frost]

EX1 > EX4 > EX2 > EX3 > Arkveld EX > EX5

So far for me.

[daring pine]

mountain fire glaze

gg

[rain geode]

I was gonna do M6S tonight but then my little sister needed help with stuff and then it was to late to pf 🙁

[remote gate]

how could it be worse than necron besides literally putting you to sleep

[verbal frost]

No

Valigarmanda was just a fun tral

[jagged aspen]

you hated spheen so much?

[verbal frost]

imo.

[random needle]

I think Necron solo phase was interesting, but the more I think about it, the more it's so... bleh

[verbal frost]

Sphene is fine

I think the first 4 are good extremes

[daring pine]

i can help with m6s if you want

[verbal frost]

Arkveld is whatever

[wicked delta]

Where there’s a will there’s a way

[jagged aspen]

i skipped 4, dont think anyone does it anymore

[random needle]

The fight as a whole, I mean

[verbal frost]

Arkveld is fine

It's good that Arkveld is an extreme.

[jagged aspen]

i literally did one pull of arkveld lol

[verbal frost]

I'd rather have it in the game than not.

Necron is horrible.

Well

Idk

[daring pine]

i cleared it twice and then never again

[sick reef]

Arkveld ex was too forgiving

[verbal frost]

Necron has some cool mechs.

[jagged aspen]

i found it the most boring shit since DT MSQ

[remote gate]

still glad arkveld was developed as a ffxiv fight and not a monster hunter fight

[verbal frost]

The fight is just fucking lame.

[wicked delta]

Yo can you kiss Arkveld cus if so I gotta farm

[verbal frost]

What's the hard necron mechanic called?

like Champion's Circuit.

[random needle]

MM2

It's not hard, but PF cannot do it

[verbal frost]

That mech not even hard, people are just dumb.

The other one is harder probably.

[jagged aspen]

its also cheesable af

[rain geode]

oh Ill @ you then when Im doing it if thats ok tho I need to probably fix my sleep scedule first

[verbal frost]

ye but ppl in pf are idiots

the tanks don't know they can take trio towers

[daring pine]

yeah if i'm free i can hop in

[rain geode]

Its like 9 am and I havnt slept yet x-x

[daring pine]

what's your prog point

[jagged aspen]

idk ive seen plenty of times a healer get rez'd into lb

[remote gate]

the raiding server im in has a static that does necron weekly and they still haven't cleared it since jt released

[verbal frost]

if tanks adjusted, it would be a non-mech.

[random needle]

WHAT

[verbal frost]

tbh

[rain geode]

Fresh so it probably would have been more accurate early to say Im progging it

[verbal frost]

I would have to judge the extremes on like how many clears I have of each

so let me show you that.

[random needle]

Tell them to uninstall on god

[jagged aspen]

i love m6s but i dont want to be jailed in adds prog 😄

[remote gate]

which is insane because some of the people in that static i know are great at the game and others not so much

[daring pine]

oh yeah that's fine with me lol

idm helping fresh prog

you're going to suffer during adds though

[verbal frost]

So judging by this honestly.

My favorite was probably EX4.

[rain geode]

Yeah adds looked rought nothing else looked that hard

[jagged aspen]

some statics just have friends that are slow learners and ppl are fine with it, so why not

[rain geode]

Im a quick learner to

[verbal frost]

ex4 was really fun. I likd the fight tbh.

[daring pine]

this is literally the fight

[verbal frost]

Ex4 issue was the dps check was non-existent.

[daring pine]

adds is rough, everything else is whatever

[verbal frost]

but it's not a huge deal.

[sick dirge]

jesus fuck

[verbal frost]

If a fight is fun, I can ignore the dps check being easy.

[random needle]

EX4 is neat, I got tilted because people couldn't do bloom 4 but it's fine

[verbal frost]

Necron is not that fun imo, and the check is a joke.

Therefore I don't like it.

[rain geode]

Arkveld ex is probably the most fun Ive had in an ex

[verbal frost]

Sphene was a painful Extreme in PF, but the DPS check was savage level so I enjoyed clearing it.

[rain geode]

necron is fun when other people can do the mechanics

[verbal frost]

It's weird imo.

[random needle]

Yeah it's genuinely nuts how low the Necron DPS check is

[verbal frost]

They can release Extremes with savage level dps checks

usually first floor savage or second floor sometimes

[jagged aspen]

idk i didnt see anything interesting about arkveld at all

[daring pine]

necron? dps check? xd

[verbal frost]

and then they release extremes with joke dps checks

arkveld is fine having a easy one

because the fight is chaotic

so arkveld is an exception

but ex4 and ex5 could have had harder ones.

[rain geode]

I also think crossover content should be slightly easier but thats just me

[verbal frost]

Necron enrage should be grand cross 2, imo.

[jagged aspen]

isnt omega one of the hardest fights in MH 😄

[verbal frost]

Like the end of it.

[random needle]

Hopefully ex6 tightens the check at least a bit

[verbal frost]

I'll show you my first necron clear

It's absolutely wild.

Quite a bad first impression.

[rain geode]

I need to go back and play wilds

[daring pine]

i need to play wilds in the first place

i've only played a bit of world and a tiny bit of rise

[rain geode]

fun game Id play it with you

[verbal frost]

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/azL2Mw4QfhBV1CFH?fight=85&type=summary

this was my first clear I think

look at the deaths, man.

It's a joke.

[jagged aspen]

imagine if you had to play every MH in chronological order to get to wilds

[verbal frost]

I don't even think we saw the actual enrage also.

This should not be a clear for on content extreme.

[daring pine]

@remote gate shiggy

do you want me to sum up my m8s pf experience in one image

[daring pine]

jesus christ

[verbal frost]

It's really bad.

[zealous meteor]

[verbal frost]

Like I think there was a healer lb3.

It's still really bad.

[jagged aspen]

ive seen more deaths in m5s, so why not

which is still technically current

[verbal frost]

I understand that people think Extreme checks should not be hard

[daring pine]

millennial decay moment

[verbal frost]

But I'm at least expecting Extremes to be like first floor savage dps check.

Maybe it's just me though.

Especially if the fight is on the more chill side mechanics wise.

Suzaku unreal was wild for that.

[rain geode]

I really should make myself sleep if I fall asleep now I can wake up in about 8 hours at 6 pm for me which would be a good time to start pfing

[verbal frost]

Pf what?

[daring pine]

6s

[verbal frost]

Good luck this late, lmao.

[rain geode]

5S wasnt that bad tho 6S is obviously a harder fight

[verbal frost]

Ye I mean

[daring pine]

it took me like 100 pulls to clear 6s and at least 50 of those were people that couldn't do adds

[wicked delta]

6S is easy with cleavemaxx

[verbal frost]

Considering this fight released

[jagged aspen]

if you can clear current savage with 15 deaths, whats wrong with clearing ex with 14?

[wicked delta]

But even outside of adds

[verbal frost]

with min IL 740

[wicked delta]

People cant do mechs

[verbal frost]

and max IL 760

[wicked delta]

Lava phase is TOO HARD

[verbal frost]

the dps check should not be like 160k

Oh, 6s is fucking easy. lmao.

[daring pine]

it is yeah

[verbal frost]

At least as a dps.

[daring pine]

people can't do towers somehow

[rain geode]

I mean pf is basically a lotto right you either get a lot of good people and clear quickly or you dont and dont

[jagged aspen]

lava phase is the bane of reclear pf

[daring pine]

baffles me

[verbal frost]

The hardest part is probably river / bridge phase.

[daring pine]

riv

[verbal frost]

Because people still don't agree on the spread spots.

[daring pine]

i saw 6s enrage once

it was in a reclear pf

[verbal frost]

River / Bridge is the hardest part imo.

[rain geode]

like I got lucky with my M5S and did it in 12 pulls

[verbal frost]

Lightning spreads are really bad in pf

[jagged aspen]

ive seen enrage like once i think

[daring pine]

how on earth

[verbal frost]

since everoyne follows hector for it

[daring pine]

do you see enrage in a reclear pf