Every spotified wrapped makes me think I might just be insane
#endgame-lounge
jolly flume
why am I twice everyone else's age
wicked delta
Holy fucking shit grandpa
zealous meteor
i was assigned 23 at spotify 
wicked delta
zealous meteor
also somehow 2 of my top songs were the natlan soundtrack
????? i haven't played genshin since december
jolly flume
time to listen to return to oblivion again I guess
undone tide
how am i gonna tell the irls that my number 1 is return to oblivion
visual geyser
i...dont use spotify
jolly flume
how am i gonna tell the irls that my number 1 is return to oblivion
by making them listen to it
undone tide
they wouldn’t understand the emotions behind it
jolly flume
This cacophony...aaaaaggghh...my head!
undone tide
unironically i think about the mechanics when i listen to it
timber stratus
🤓
undone tide
the enrage sequence is the best part of return to oblivion
if only you actually heard it nowadays
jolly flume
if only you actually heard it nowadays
how many deaths do you think were in this pull
timber stratus
0 ur just that ass
jolly flume
jolly flume
sorry.
wicked delta
undone tide
how many deaths do you think were in this pull
6 or 7
if p5 had dynamis mechanics fru’s clear rate gets quartered
undone tide
gonna be a good day
timber stratus
i have never seen that monster before
going to make a crazy guess and say its orange
jolly flume
that's my favorite one
wicked delta
Damn ur white af
jolly flume
one of three flavors that doesn't taste like ass
undone tide
that's my favorite one
based asf
it’s the only flavor i get
white is also tolerable tbf
jolly flume
that's one of the other three flavors that doesn't taste like ass
the last one is the mango
undone tide
never had it
wicked delta
I just havent had a monster drink in so long
timber stratus
mango loco is nice but i get tired of it real quick
undone tide
also any monster with sugar makes me go insane
wicked delta
I don’t remember what it tastes like
wicked delta
why did u specify drink
Legally I cannot answer
undone tide
love how nobody pointing out that i’m pale asf because you all are too
timber stratus
im paler
undone tide
I said ur white af
who r u?
valid solar
love how nobody pointing out that i’m pale asf because you all are too
I'm not pale but I drink white monster if that cancels it out
jolly flume
no that just makes you trans
undone tide
I'm not pale but I drink white monster if that cancels it out
why is it long and thin
undone tide
also frat boy sitting next to me asking questions i don’t have the answers to because i don’t have an F in this class
valid solar
no that just makes you trans
undone tide
Im never gonna draw your wol ever
but she’s cute
wicked delta
valid solar
do trans people drink white monster
jolly flume
yeah I learned this from the destiny 2 community
wicked delta
but she’s cute
I only draw people who are NICE TO ME!!!
jolly flume
every trans girl I knew in d2 was a white monster addict
of course I don't
that was a long time ago
undone tide
I only draw people who are NICE TO ME!!!
i’ll kiss you
jolly flume
sexual harassment in my endgame lounge
valid solar
rizz
jolly flume
HR?
undone tide
typical
wicked delta
i’ll kiss you
valid solar
yeah where is it
wicked delta
Thank you for your service
remote gate
thank you for your service
jolly flume
get more on his FREE onlyfans
undone tide
if you’re going to have a free onlyfans just put that shit on twitter man
undone tide
why not?
wicked delta
Sorry I forgot hes the gayest straight man
undone tide
me or him
jolly flume
Sorry I forgot hes the gayest straight man
all straight men are the gayest
i am simply one of many
wicked delta
Im scared of frat boys
undone tide
don’t be the only thing they can do to you is be annoying or haze you
don’t you live in nyc
you guys don’t have frats there
jolly flume
yes
wicked delta
i can't say what i want to say in this channel
jolly flume
<:Clueless:1173370982606581840>
Ugh...aaaaaggghhh!
wicked delta
I fucking cant
jolly flume
I fucking cant
dw bro im listening to kendrick lamar subtly tilts my phone screen towards you
timber stratus
jim
undone tide
y’all should listen
wicked delta
dw bro im listening to kendrick lamar *subtly tilts my phone screen towards you*
😭😭😭😭
Stop im already sick
Ur gonna make me cough
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
jolly flume
blame biscuit
remote gate
dw bro im listening to kendrick lamar *subtly tilts my phone screen towards you*
sentencing you to be in a fresh tea prog but no one can figure out the aetherplasm mechanic
robust shoal
pale blade
jolly flume
honse
dapper zealot
Hose
undone tide
frat boy talking to me about ai now
how do i escape this npc interaction
he pays $20 for chat gpt+
wicked delta
quick verge
how do i escape this npc interaction
shukuchi hide
dapper zealot
Ask chatgpt on how to disengage
undone tide
shukuchi hide
i’m in combat though
quick verge
pvp shukuchi hides u
quick verge
yea so are half the people in pvp
undone tide
including you
quick verge
just burst combo and run
undone tide
he’s pocketed
quick verge
kite them to your team
visual geyser
no chaotic party was dogshit
remote gate
elaborate
wicked delta
Did ppl troll on swaps?
visual geyser
Alliance A got nuked the first towers bro
remote gate
visual geyser
rate hrothlady
zealous meteor
sapph to the left
random needle
I dock a couple points for using face 4, but aside from that I like
whole estuary
Sapph only likes you from the neck down
zealous meteor
blue ✅
girl ✅
face 4 ❌
random needle
Sapph only likes you from the neck down
I'm sorry, face 4 is just a little too close to human to be comfortable, it starts dipping in the uncanny valley for me
Cerb has made it work good, but it looks off on all the other face 4s I've seen unfortunately
remote gate
rate hrothlady
9
visual geyser
`face4 has the best hair tho
blue because of bozja hrothlady
its annoyinbg how they dont get the same hair color options has the other races
random needle
Yeah, hair is weirdge
daring pine
visual geyser
an actual decent hairstyle
visual geyser
Same makes for great money tho
whole estuary
it's very "I wish content had more desirable rewards"
"wait actually no"
jolly flume
it's very "I wish content had more desirable rewards"
"wait actually no"
well you see it's more
jolly flume
"I wish content that I do (and only that) has desirable rewards"
zealous meteor
why do i look so DONE
random needle
Relic grinds, baybee
zealous meteor
oh he imported DAM
shy obsidian
it's very "I wish content had more desirable rewards"
"wait actually no"
when the content has desirable rewards but the content itself makes you wanna explode
craggy marsh
Atleast they learned that materia isnt a desirable reward finally
amber fable
Make it drop like 20x materia even
And include gatherer and crafter
The content will live longer
random needle
Do we think I can solo Suzaku extreme
Because of p1, I'd strongly suggest that you play a tank
When the tethered adds start casting something, press your invuln
Then in p2, there's a couple attacks that are untelegraphed knockbacks and knockins, which iirc are accompanied with an animation of the boss playing music
dreamy whale
Icic
random needle
The DDR intermission changes based on how many people are in instance, so don't worry about the boss getting like 70 damage ups or something
zealous meteor
...is it based on people in the instance, or people alive
random needle
I'd assume in instance? You have like 4 years to rez people before the actual DDR starts
clear plume
The DDR intermission changes based on how many people are in instance, so don't ...
It also has a cap anyways
Icr if it was 10 or 16 but yeah
random needle
Even so, unsyncing at 90 means the boss is gonna hurt a lot more than usual, and you've probably already spent invuln on the first phase
clear plume
Back on content I used to just deploy and eat that with my static rather than doing ddr for farming it
random needle
I like the DDR though :(
true beacon
why do i look so DONE
remote gate
Despair 
sick dirge
Oops!
rapid whale
I have nothing to give you
sick dirge
damn i wanna post something but its on twitter and twitter links are banned here
dreamy whale
damn i wanna post something but its on twitter and twitter links are banned here
Screenshot it
sick dirge
its a video
worn bluff
describe it to us in a paragraph
visual geyser
Please summarize
sick dirge
ok so its a clip of a cat pulling itself out of a couch (slowed down) with neo exdeath's theme playing in the background. theres also his dialogue slapped over the clip
sleek moon
you can download the vid with https://cobalt.tools/ and then upload directly
visual geyser
Oh man i just know the raid gear gonna be ass
jagged aspen
you dont press glam plate the moment you equip new raid gear? 😮
jolly flume
sometimes the raid gear looks good
unfortunately the last time that happened was 6.0
sick dirge
true...
clear plume
unfortunately the last time that happened was 6.0
Baby face caster top is peak though
visual geyser
True
jagged aspen
Is it normal that pf group went 3 mechanics past what was advertised? o_o
sick dirge
yeah. thats even more progress and thats absolutely a good thing
rapid whale
normal? bro you found a unicorn party
if vibes r good too STAY THE ENTIRE LOCK OUT ON GOD
jagged aspen
ppl went to sleep unfortunately
jolly flume
you kind of have a better luck of getting hit by lightning than getting significant prog usually
wicked delta
shadow pilot
undone tide
how does it keep happening
2 days ago: 1 pull wings merc for 4 mil
today: 2 pull wings merc for 5 mil
i am now going to look at every single lavender beds plot in sargatanas
rain geode
very green
golden jewel
learning how to do occult crescent
ive never done a relic grind like this, only mandervilles
im so burnt 😭
wicked delta
rapid whale
At least it's a one time step
Past relics you had to do all that for each and every weapon
proper cave
If we had to do spare parts for every ShB weapon, I would have given up
jolly flume
I might start my oc relic shit after this week
rain geode
Might start on my relic tonight
jolly flume
someone please check on me every day when I do to make sure I don't do something suicidal
wicked delta
i mean
rain geode
I dont think it need it until like 7.5 when the ulti comes out
jolly flume
hater.
wicked delta
when have i ever been nice to you
jolly flume
you are lucky that the wise wolf has infinite patience for opps.
wicked delta
jolly flume
jagged aspen
"oc relic" where 90% of the time is not spent in oc
jolly flume
I wouldn't know
I haven't even unlocked oc
I just know everyone likes to complain about it
wicked delta
this fucking guy
rapid whale
It was fun for like two hours
rain geode
Ive never unlocked a field operation
jolly flume
???
jagged aspen
idk it was kinda fun for as long as i had to spend there to get most atmas done
jolly flume
why are you so TOXIC
dapper zealot
bro I just go into raids and push buttons
well good news, you get to go into raids and push buttons for stage 2
wicked delta
jagged aspen
but if i had to grind out full +2 gear or w/e id elusive jump off a bridge
quick verge
ive been doing 1 cll a day for my achievement
and i realized that playing beast + lost assassinate melee jobs for 500 instance hours of bozja is more fun than anything in occult crescent
rain geode
Im torn between if im grabbing the SCH relic or SGE
jolly flume
you play sge if you hate yourself and sch if you hate everyone around you
if you hate both just play white mage
rain geode
WHM felt kinda akward to play
visual geyser
learning how to do occult crescent
ive never done a relic grind like this, only...
EW really made people think relics were actually easy 
golden jewel
I wish they were 
but i need something to do other than leveling
sick dirge
EW really made people think relics were actually easy <:haha:240841245239410688>
looks at ARR
rain geode
I mean relics are easy they're just a moderate grind
undone tide
mfw my top bis is the top weapon so i have to reveal to this prog party that i’ve cleared so its infinitely more humiliating when i cause a wipe because im derusting
thin fox
alpha legend btw
undone tide
just glam over it
glam what bro
versed kayak
glam some arr weapon over it
grab some crappy arr armour too and everyone will think you're new
undone tide
you can put a g lam on a weapon
they don’t look as cool tho
random needle
if you hate both just play white mage
Sage: self hatred
Scholar: world hatred
White Mage: utter misanthropy
Astrologian: ???
jolly flume
astrologian: joy and whimsy
random needle
Yippee yay yahoo whee
raw sand
Astrologian: makes daily decisions based on star signs
worn bluff
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/420652632454070304/1153527484327931985/2F...
ty ty
undone tide
Yippee yay yahoo whee
i love this move
i kinda missed getting the healer 1 upgrades…
valid solar
astrologian: joy and whimsy
Throwback to the time in EX3 I was trolling valcors because I forgot helios existed and just wasn't gcd healing aside from the regen
rain geode
Is there way to check how many times your brough specific jobs into a duty
valid solar
Don't think so
rain geode
drat
jolly flume
Throwback to the time in EX3 I was trolling valcors because I forgot helios exis...
I mean
forgetting raw helios exists kinda changes nothing
unless you mean both forms of helios
idk
thin fox
@jolly flume do you happen to know why drk is so much worse in tea compared to the other tanks
jolly flume
go adps tab it's not that dire
but removing plunge and rough divide and replacing them with potencyless gapclosers with no other balance changes made at that level kinda nerfed them a little bit relative to endwalker
thin fox
its p dire comparatively
thin fox
o for some reason it didnt pick tea properly
jolly flume
yeah drk is like ass at 70 so it pulls it down overall if you dont pick a fight
anyways yeah thats why pld gnb fell behind a little bit this expac
sorry
drk gnb
robust shoal
L70 gnb was so strong in shb
valid solar
is level 90 gnb strong in DT
rapid whale
!faq metameme
storm frostBOT
rapid whale
jk
valid solar
mb
rapid whale
mbn
valid solar
my sub expired a few days ago so now im just waiting for patch before resubbing
rapid whale
seems like gnb on weaker side in both 90 ultis
valid solar
I see, I thought it mightve been a bit stronger since double down was changed to only use a single cart so you get an extra burst strike every minute
worn bluff
GNB is fun but the second anything goes off of plan i crumble
jolly flume
the fun part is trying to not knock the house of cards that is your plan down
that and also explosions
worn bluff
that and also explosions
rotation working: 
one thing drifts: 
fierce matrix
GNB is fun but the second anything goes off of plan i crumble
No the best part is when it goes off plan
Freestyle gnb is so much fun 
jolly flume
(LIE)
alpine plover
verbal frost
GNB is fun but the second anything goes off of plan i crumble
hardest tank highest damage
it's good design
Unfortunately, Gunbreaker does TOO much damage right now. That's the main issue,
verbal frost
seems like gnb on weaker side in both 90 ultis
Every expansion job shb+ is backloaded as hell. Big issue.
I think the only exception is Sage? Since it's a healer.
verbal frost
Is there way to check how many times your brough specific jobs into a duty
Wym by this?
Like clear rates?
rain geode
no like how many time Ive played a specific job
robust shoal
I don't think gnb dmg is out of line
robust shoal
it's still behind drk in a decent buff comp
robust shoal
most racers will run drk+pld anyway
rain geode
I was hoping for a screen like in MH that tells you how many hunts youve done with each weapon
robust shoal
7.2 numbers exist
verbal frost
ye tbh they are both overtuned
like what can u do
atp they should just slap a rez on paladin if they wanted to actually tax it
would create job identity also.
actually 7.2 drk is overtuned as shit
what the hell?
wtf am I looking at?
robust shoal
that's what happens when you're pulling logs from people who know what they're doing
rain geode
If were giving PLD healer stuff Id rather them chuck esuna on it
verbal frost
tbh I know how to read logs
I just wasn't like looking at tank ones
I swear GNB was the best tank ig I was wrong
DRK is basically tank dragoon though so a job designed like that is broken no matter what.
robust shoal
there's a massive gap from even to odd patches with drk because drk is the #1 speedrun/parse party tank
robust shoal
many parties even run double drk
verbal frost
and add more stuff to the 1min burst
that's how you fix the job balance imo
just treat it like actual dragoon
robust shoal
I like the identity of having the fat 2min
verbal frost
like
rotation wise sure
but dps wise is it healthy for the game
no because they can't balance filler jobs that's the issue
verbal frost
If were giving PLD healer stuff Id rather them chuck esuna on it
I think they should make paladin pseudo healer next expac
and tax it like 1-2% dps
really like a red mage tax or something nothing major
it's already balanced like that
robust shoal
drk is behind gnb in no buff comps
verbal frost
who cares about no buff comps though
robust shoal
it's just scaling really well with buffs that puts it ahead
rain geode
so a tax that doesnt matter but will lead people to declaring the job is dead
verbal frost
in no buff comps, VPR and BLM are the best jobs in the game
Well actually not even
those jobs just suck
but you get the point.
verbal frost
drk is behind gnb in no buff comps
IMO ideal way how they would fix this
rapid whale
huh isnt blm great
verbal frost
remove half the raidbuffs from the game
only jobs that should have raidbuffs are like
AST, BRD, DNC, DRG, MNK, RDM.
Actaul team based jobs in lore.
so raidbuff stacking isn't as oppressive as it is rn.
rapid whale
f it delete raid buff altogether and make every job selfish :^)
verbal frost
Picto is the major culprit of what threw the balance off.
A job that does the same dps as melees while having a 5% raidbuff
it's basically a 3rd melee. A 3rd dragoon / mnk / nin.
rain geode
f it delete raid buff altogether and make every job selfish :^)
f it delete all buffs damage was never meant to be increased
verbal frost
no
they shouldn't delete all buffs
because some jobs are designed to be support / team based jobs
DNC / BRD / AST are the prime examples
but I think even if you look at lore
worn bluff
meanwhile rpr with the weakest raid buff and most potency in filler 
rapid whale
nope we're deleting all of them /s
verbal frost
DRG / MNK / RDM can be extensions of this
As a Reaper main, I'm just hoping for major enshroud buffs next patch.
our burst is fucking dogshit.
I don't even care about the burst honestly
just make our filler EXTREMELY strong if our burst is going to be that bad.
worn bluff
enjoy 420 potency filler combo starter
verbal frost
but not the 1 2 3 combo filler
that's fucking gross
I'm talking like regular enshroud non perfectio
worn bluff
i kind of gave up on rpr
worn bluff
tried other jobs and just found them more fun
verbal frost
ppl don't realize how much we are taxed for our 123 being so high dmg
rain geode
honestly most of the skill in this game is making sure your big cooldowns align with raid buffs dunno why you would want to get rid of jobs raid buffs lol
verbal frost
lol
like I guess infernal slice
is technically part of our burst
but should it even be that way in the first place
no
worn bluff
ppl don't realize how much we are taxed for our 123 being so high dmg
it also just makes it feel less rewarding to set up a proper burst
verbal frost
It should be gluttony into executioners but they can't extend combo dropoff by 1 gcd
😭
well actually
would have to be like 2 gcds
idc tho
verbal frost
it also just makes it feel less rewarding to set up a proper burst
I did the math
burst is fucking ass
barely better than opener
worn bluff
the filler is also just not engaging at all
verbal frost
personally what I would do for RPR
is if you want to m ake it actually engaging
give us more to do with the blood (red) gauge
like samurai for example
worn bluff
yeah single enshroud plus gluttony probably is not that far behind
verbal frost
or even give us a third gauge honestly
verbal frost
yeah single enshroud plus gluttony probably is not that far behind
viper double reawaken is way more impactful than reaper double enshroud
like 30% more
or smth
Viper is still bad though. It could be worse.
rain geode
RPR burst could stand to be a big more strong but honestly when Im playing RPR the big question I keep asking myself is "why are gallows, gibbet and Guillotine their own buttons"
verbal frost
It's our only positionals
but I get what u are saying
my question is why is the 123 their own buttons.
but eh what can u do
rain geode
nah Im saying just make the 123 combo into those buttons
rapid whale
8.0 change ; most jobs 123 becomes 1 button like picto :^)
verbal frost
I would assume RPR / VPR / BLM get major buffs next patch
worn bluff
why would i play rpr when i can play pct and vpr
verbal frost
8.0 change ; most jobs 123 becomes 1 button like picto :^)
Laugh at this
but this is literally how the game should be
if they want more complex overall rotations
We should use the 123 combo way less
and have more actual impactful buttons
fun filler
worn bluff
it’s funny how harvest moon is this 5s cast to get possibly the smallest incremental gain possible
rain geode
I dont think they need to go as far to make every thing one button but like why does arcane circle and plentiful harvest need to be 2 buttons?
verbal frost
since the combo is a CORE part of the rotation
samurai also
but there is no reason for reaper basic ass 123 to be 3 buttons
verbal frost
I dont think they need to go as far to make every thing one button but like why ...
this is... a fair point
ngl
worn bluff
even drk feels more engaging to me than rpr rotation wise
verbal frost
I don't think there is anything not keeping this from happening
I disagree with that
I enjoy the reaper rotation
especially in a fight like FRU
it's way more interesting than like dragoon / vpr imo.
rain geode
this is... a fair point
like half the other raid buffs that have theyre own button you get for pressing them does that
verbal frost
Reaper has fun burst windows
cool shit u can do
my main issue is like you said
the job needs more red mage / samurai feel to it.
if you get what I mean
more ogcds, more ways to spend gauge.
worn bluff
i haven’t tried rpr in fru but it’s always funny when they put the ❌ on their head in utopian sky
verbal frost
lol
verbal frost
like half the other raid buffs that have theyre own button you get for pressing ...
ye
agree
verbal frost
even drk feels more engaging to me than rpr rotation wise
this is a crazy take tbh
I think DRK is literally braindead dragoon
both are the definition of like pure burst window jobs
like yeah you get those nice dopamine hits
but is the job really that complex
it's just hitting your burst windows properly
worn bluff
i think it’s the bigger burst ye
rapid whale
tbpf i dont think job complexity is even a goal of se
worn bluff
but also that a lot of rpr burst isn’t cooldown based once you start it
verbal frost
Dragoon atleast has some complex like with the dive / animation locks.
DRK the only identity u really have is living shadow which is cool ig.
but it's once every 2 minutes.
and most of the time it's just fuel for your burst.
Living Shadow is essentially like a 2500 potency button or something like that.
worn bluff
rpr has so few cooldowns to manage it made me bad at cooldown management
verbal frost
tbpf i dont think job complexity is even a goal of se
Whihc will kill the game
8.0 needs massive overhauls.
The fights and mechanics are complex. So why not make the rotations more complex and unique?
rapid whale
i think in their minds, they'd rather have the fights be where the bulk of where the complexity lies
and the jobs borderline play themselves
verbal frost
It's not even like the complex jobs are the best ones either
worn bluff
sacrificium was a weird addition
verbal frost
it's the easy jobs like DRG and DRK which are the meta ones.
worn bluff
i liked perfectio being ranged
verbal frost
sacrificium was a weird addition
necessary addition*
our burst would be even more dogshit without it
rain geode
those are my two quality of life changes that dont actually affect RPRs strength Id like to see, combine Arcane Circle and plentiful harvest and also combine the 123 combo with Gibbet, Gallows and Guillotine.
and also make it optional so people can choose which they like more
verbal frost
We need more ways to spend the Soul Gauge.
Besides blood stalk / gluttony.
Perhaps give us another variation of enshroud.
But I think Viper needs that way more than Reaper. The job is dull as shit.
And horrible. It's the worst melee in the game rn.
rain geode
I think its fun
verbal frost
VPR is cool.
rain geode
then again I kinda prefer XIV's more streamlined job design
worn bluff
i did like how you had to manage your combo state more carefully in 7.x
rain geode
big thing I like about VPR was making sure uncoiled fury stacks got not overcapped but also using them to make it so you have no downtime
verbal frost
lower level?
rapid whale
ultimates
whoever designed picto def does older ultimates, whoever designed viper doesnt play the game period /sarcasm
verbal frost
Ye idk. Job just needs a rework imo. And I know it's early to say that but it really does.
Not like a major overhaul.
But a rework on when actions are distributed.
I mean it probably needs more ogcds also honestly.
rapid whale
f it every gcd activates an ogcd and they justify it by saying it's your offhand attack :^)
verbal frost
but like you can say that for every gcd heavy job
Reaper, Black Mage, Viper, Machinist.
Oh shit I wonder why these jobs perform the worst?
Makes you think...
Unfortunately the ultimate culprit is raidbuffs and that's why they should remove most of them.
They balance jobs around ndps & rdps instead of adps and cdps.
Like someone said earlier, Gunbreaker might outperform DRK for raw damage. Similar to Viper and Black Mage vs Samurai. But when you factor in party buffs in 8 man content, jobs like DRK and Samurai are way, way better.
Unfortunately they aren't willing to take the risk and let these jobs do flat-out more raw damage than the burst selfish dps, because in non raidbuff comps jobs like Samurai / DRK might suffer.
rain geode
Am I missing something I checked M8S in fflogs and RPR seems to have the highest rDPS?
verbal frost
rDPS is a parsing metric.
rDPS is actually the WORST metric to judge for overall job balance.
rDPS is essentially only judging you as an individual player. But not really because it includes damage your raidbuff gives to other players.
rain geode
I mean you probably should include how your raid buff functions into class balance no?
verbal frost
Yes but with rDPS you are missing the most important factor in fights.
The damage you take from other raidbuffs during burst windows.
It's not factoring when you have dance partner, or any other buffs in general.
The metrics that do that are aDPS, and cDPS for total damage contributed in a fight.
cDPS is a new statistic apparently, but it's the most important one by far. Trust.
I'm still newish to this stuff to be fair, but I think I have a full grasp on it now.
rain geode
alright I checked cDPS and RPR is now in second
verbal frost
Are you judging patch 7.3?
rain geode
that what were in rn isnt it
verbal frost
Like the guy earlier said, judge patch 7.2 for savage since that is when the best players are playing.
and patch 7.3 balance changes were not major.
Even then they buffed Ninja which was already probably the best melee.
loud nymph
that what were in rn isnt it
well yeah, but no one who clears savage in week 1 is still doing savage right now
verbal frost
So it's like what really changed.
The only melee they gave single target buffs to was the BEST MELEE.
I would only judge 7.3 logs for like
Q40 and FRU.
rapid whale
fru?
verbal frost
Extreme also? But I'm not sure if top players are playing that.
FRU logs are fairly accurate
compared to savage.
rapid whale
ig
verbal frost
Like you have
rapid whale
still far from the peak ofthe content's peak popularity tho
loud nymph
odd patch logs are going to present a very skewed picture of job balance
rapid whale
idk why i said peak twice
verbal frost
Can't really judge q40 also because
well that whole fight is a shitshow for dmg metrics
since there is a hidden damage buff raidbuff jobs give
rapid whale
yea jobs r balanced around buffing a full party of 8
verbal frost
it's... confusing?
rapid whale
so rdps jobs look bad
verbal frost
IMO they should just
scale raidbuffs to party size
it's not that hard
but instead they do this hidden crap
🤷♂️
rapid whale
isnt that the same thing
robust shoal
pranged are also bugged to do even less dmg in DD 
verbal frost
and I want it for all content
not just high end content
raidbuffs should even scale in normal and solo content imo.
It will make the game more healthy.
Obviously selfish jobs should still be the best for smaller content.
But should the margin be THIS large? Not at all.
shy obsidian
so, like... less potent buffs when there's more party members?
shy obsidian
no no i get it
verbal frost
Monk has 5% buff in 8 man content
in 4 man content double it to 10%
the raidbuff, Brotherhood.
shy obsidian
makes sense
verbal frost
2 man content you can do like 20%
1 man content if you want actual balance do 40%
but lets be nice to selfish dps and just give it like 30%
Seems fair enough to me
🤷♂️
Not rocket science but I doubt they ever do it. They just too lazy.
rapid whale
i just dont think anything is that srs enough for them to care
oh no my solo duty took 20s longer
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rain geode
lmao
verbal frost
yeah but it will just make the game more healthy imo.
for all content.
Obviously they have to redesign old content.
But let's be honest: that should be their #1 fucking priority for 8.0 already.
verbal frost
100%
dull drum
if we're looking at it from a business perspective theyd rather just focus on pumping out new content
rain geode
I was gonna say Id like some tweeks to older content but #1 prio is a bit much
rapid whale
wat
verbal frost
Old content is not replayable and it's extremely easy.
People have already been discussing this on reddit.
A trial like normal thordan is a 1 minute joke fight.
final boss of an expansion, btw.
rapid whale
i mean
rapid whale
i agree in essence that the msq does its damndest to make you an awful player by giving you nothing remotely challenging but
wicked delta
The only thing I think they should add is better ilvl sync
verbal frost
I understand people want fights to remain the same like how they originally launched.
rapid whale
at the same time, saying it hsould be their biggest prio is a bit of a stretch
wicked delta
But I do not want them to change the duties in themselves
verbal frost
The issue is
wicked delta
They reflect the game as it was back then
verbal frost
the jobs are not staying the same
the gear is not staying the same
they constantly buff jobs
IL sync crep gets worse every expac
rain geode
UWU being or not being a joke doesnt matter to like 95% of the community...
verbal frost
So tbh
when people say
I was talking about this today actually
Don't buff Reaper / VPR / Black Mage.
wicked delta
UWU being or not being a joke doesnt matter to like 95% of the community...
Most casual andies get filtered by uwu so its like 
verbal frost
What they need to actually do is nerf the POWERFUL jobs.
robust shoal
back in my day thordan at least got a few swings off after the intermission
rapid whale
the thing is
verbal frost
Wtf was yoshida talking about earlier this expansion?
rapid whale
why does it mater if older content is easier
verbal frost
"We want to make every job as strong as picto"
WTF? Like FRU wasn't easy enough?
NO! nerf the fucking jobs.
loud nymph
verbal frost
It's not rocket science
rain geode
please dont nerf the jobs I dont have a fru clear
verbal frost
nerf dragoon, nerf drk, nerf mnk, nerf pct, nerf brd
the game will be more balanced
robust shoal
old content gets less and less engaging as you do more and more damage with simpler rotations due to stuff getting culled to make room for another finisher
verbal frost
I would say nerf samurai
rapid whale
yea
shy obsidian
nerf... samurai?
verbal frost
you give samurai a dnc + ast and it's the best job in the game
rapid whale
i do think stuff like skipfrit being basically free is a bit much
shy obsidian
the only other selfish melee DPS?
verbal frost
samurai is competing with the other selfish dps
actually yeah samurai needs a nerf
now that I think abt it
but like not huge one
rapid whale
nerf everything but rpr noted
verbal frost
this is ragebait im sitting this one out
Explain. I'm genuienly willing to discuss.
rain geode
nerf everything but rpr noted
actually Ive looped back around to agreeing
rapid whale
i just dont think it matters all that much
rapid whale
this gives me the same energy as complaining about pepsi vs coke
verbal frost
I mean can we be serious for a second?
yeah I think the top 4 jobs need a nerf 100%
even bard is contributing more damage
and this isn't even a extremely high percentile
bard is outperforming selfish dps at the 90th percentile
sure, this is 7.2. That's still the latest savage patch.
Samurai is even better than what is shown.
Samurai logs don't factor when it has it's strongest comp.
SAM + AST + DNC.
rain geode
I was gonna say if you want the real reason the game is "dying" its because the last expansion had the name "end" in the title and wrapped up the story
verbal frost
that's a vanilla take
rapid whale
p much
rapid whale
yea your problems
verbal frost
it's the overall health of the game
like
yeah do I agree
the MSQ was sad
and bad
rapid whale
implying balance alone is the major contributing factor to the game's decline is a bit much
rapid whale
when not even 20% of the player base engages in savage content
verbal frost
but the stuff I am talking about affects players who actually bother to engage with content
daily, weekly, monthly content
rapid whale
yea but
verbal frost
they mostly design battle content anyways
can we agree on that
sure they phrase this game to be "for everyone"
loud nymph
implying balance alone is the major contributing factor to the game's decline is...
also implying that spending time buffing older content that 95% of the playerbase doesn't engage with will somehow "save" the game
verbal frost
most of the content every patch is high end raiding content
verbal frost
also implying that spending time buffing older content that 95% of the playerbas...
Roulettes
I made a thread on
rapid whale
like imma be so fr
rapid whale
lets assume a world everything you say happens
verbal frost
SO MANY PEOPLE were discussing their issues
versed kayak
I was gonna say if you want the real reason the game is "dying" its because the ...
Most games are in a constant state of dying if you ask their playerbase, most people have not seen a dying game yet apparently
rapid whale
the avg roulette andy has no clue wtf any of that stuff is
verbal frost
let me link the thread
rapid whale
they dont even get like 80% uptime
verbal frost
That's just what you assume
it's part of the issue
casuals care about the game arguably more than we do.
rapid whale
no iknow for a fact when i see their dmg they have no idea and no care
rapid whale
im not saying you are im saying you are conflating data points
loud nymph
no one is saying you're "truly alone" and I genuinely don't know where you're getting that
rapid whale
yea
verbal frost
rapid whale
victim complex frfr
dull drum
i mean isnt that just more so jobs are not engaging enough at lower levels rather than job balance is fucked
verbal frost
It seems like I'm not alone.
loud nymph
no one is saying you are wtf
verbal frost
So if this many people
rain geode
If you saying this affects casuals why are you using 90th percentile for your points
verbal frost
on reddit
obviously a small sample
this is a casual discord / reddit
yes?
if this many people agree with this take
imagine how much the community agrees with it.
loud nymph
obviously a small sample
a small and not representative sample
verbal frost
You're just saying things.
loud nymph
so are you?
verbal frost
These are the people that play the game.
rapid whale
cooly did u see the tomestone stats that came out abt what % of the population does what content
wicked delta
You’re using savage logs to make your points but also a Reddit thread with 557 replies?
verbal frost
who play the game once a patch
loud nymph
ok yeah I'm out this is definitely just ragebait
verbal frost
and don't play again.
dull drum
ok yeah I'm out this is definitely just ragebait
trust me when you've been online enough
you can smell it
verbal frost
If it's ragebait and you can't have an actual convo, you can just blist me.
rapid whale
and didnt u get banned from other discords for being argumentative
and you're doing it again
verbal frost
I'm not trying to annoy you.
wicked delta
No wonder your points got called rage baity like c’mon lmfao
verbal frost
If you disagree.
Feel free to blacklist.
There's no reason to get negative like this.
rapid whale
that's been what we've been telling you this entire time
rapid whale
right im sure yoshi p is in this channel rn reading your ideas
shy obsidian
oh boy
rapid whale
GAMERS RISE UP
rapid whale
WHEN I RISE
verbal frost
Very good.
rapid whale
IN THE RISE
shy obsidian
So uh
about that idea of population scaling for raid buffs
whaddya guys think about it
wicked delta
Stupid
rapid whale
dokumori is now a 1% buff in forked tower
verbal frost
even for high end content like criteron / quantum.
verbal frost
dokumori is now a 1% buff in forked tower
ha
good example tbf
smart
but I would just limit it to full parties probably.
rain geode
I dont think it would like kill the game or anything but it seems very unimportant
rapid whale
ye
shy obsidian
would it make a difference when it comes to 8-man raids though? like, will stuff be more "balanced" or whatever
rapid whale
this is like saying the titanic sank because they didn't have heinz ketchup
verbal frost
But if you agree and just say it's unimportant.
shy obsidian
will the DPS gap be smaller?
verbal frost
I mean we said the same thing about unrestricted glamour right.
rapid whale
and arguing about how heinz ketchup is objectively the best brand due to sales numbers
rain geode
no because unrestricted glamor is important
verbal frost
Were people saying that before the announcement
I doubt it.
From what I hear, people were actively against it.
shy obsidian
wat
wicked delta
What are you talking about fr
rain geode
I heard constant complaints about not being able to use glam pieces that wanted
shy obsidian
okay uh I definitely DON'T remember that
rapid whale
there are also people actively against the consumption of dihydrogen monoxide
shy obsidian
you used specific wording, that's why
verbal frost
a post about it
gets mass downvoted
sure from 2018, the message is still clear.
Is this not enough evidence for you?
It's always been like this in my opinion.
Players don't know what is good for them and the game until they actually see it.
Sure you can disagree.
But this is the reality.
rapid whale
"a bottle of heinz ketchup would have given the captain of the titanic more glucose in their blood stream, as it has the most of any ketchup brand, and therefore is why the titanic sank"
verbal frost
And if you disagree, we can just leave the topic there. No arguing.
rain geode
sure from 2018, the message is still clear.
Seven years ago, on reddit which typically isnt a good indication of a player base at large
verbal frost
Didn't the community ask for 2 minute raidbuffs? And now they are wanting it reverted?
And it's not just me who pushes for this. So many do.
rapid whale
why do you speak about the community like a monolith
wicked delta
You’re battling against ghosts
rapid whale
any and all decisions are gonna have ppl for and against it
wicked delta
Jesus fucking Christ dude
verbal frost
Well I mean
shy obsidian
so uh
i know it's inconsequential in the grand scheme of things
but is there even a feasible way we can bridge the gaps between DPS differences so people can stop doomposting baout machinist
wicked delta
Calm the fuck down for 1 second in your life
verbal frost
You're saying I'm ragebaiting.
When I present an actual argument, I'm ragebaiting.
When I provide evidence, I'm still ragebaiting.
rain geode
The issue is your arguement is silly
rapid whale
you have a lot of non sequitur
verbal frost
I mean it's just how the community is, what can I expect at this point.
wicked delta
So why are you still talking
rapid whale
now what
verbal frost
Eh, I was trying to have a convo initially. It just seems like a argument atp.
Let's just get mods in here to break it up or something. I don't want any problems.
wicked delta
Because you’re difficult to talk to
rain geode
Like I think I saw 2 posts at all about not liking glam being unlocked
wicked delta
Maybe work on that
shy obsidian
oh boy
verbal frost
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewjxqvqzgyo
I really hate this term honestly.
rapid whale
Eh, I was trying to have a convo initially. It just seems like a argument atp.
dawg
you've done the exact same convo before
and got the exact same response
wicked delta
Biscuit save us
verbal frost
When?
rapid whale
could job balance be better? sure
verbal frost
It's better to have the convo, then to not have it at all.
rain geode
Like would I complain if they added scaling raid buffs? no. would I even notice it also probably no.
verbal frost
I mean look how the convo started.
I was literally just explaining to T'ew how the metrics work.
They can admit they probably learned something.
rapid whale
yes and then you used it as a soap box to whine about how your job isnt better
like cool
rain geode
Honestly I think I know less then when I started
wicked delta
I wish reaper was good
shy obsidian
seriously, how can we balance DPS numbers between jobs or whatever
verbal frost
The worst jobs, probably machinist and summoner, are still clearable in the current content.
rain geode
seriously, how can we balance DPS numbers between jobs or whatever
you can remove all jobs and make it so theres only 1 job you can play
verbal frost
Are the clear rates extremely low? Yes lol. But you can clear with them.
shy obsidian
you can remove all jobs and make it so theres only 1 job you can play
err what the scallop
verbal frost
So it's like yeah it's fine to not care ig.
But I feel like this is the expansion where we should be talking about ideas and stuff.
shy obsidian
i just want the machinists to stop doomposing I guess
so I wanna find out if there are really any solutions to this kinda stuff
dull drum
i just want the machinists to stop doomposing I guess
bro why are you dragging our name through the mud
rain geode
err what the scallop
I mean all jokes aside you cant have jobs do differnt things and have everything be exactly equal
dull drum
wtf did we do to you
wicked delta
YOU DONT PLAY MCH ANYMORE
verbal frost
MCH is not like horrible
verbal frost
but like respective to it's role it is pretty bad ig
dull drum
YOU DONT PLAY MCH ANYMORE
CHECK MY TOMESTONE
wicked delta
Get OUTTT
dull drum
RN
verbal frost
it's not bad though
wicked delta
CHECK MY TOMESTONE
GET OUUUUT
verbal frost
I think summoner probably has it worse.
Summoner is competing with 3 strong casters.
shy obsidian
wtf did we do to you
I WANNA BE LIKE YOU GUYS BUT THE MEMES ARE PUTTING ME OFF 😭
I WANNA FUNNY GUN GENUINELY
wicked delta
this is actual ragebait
Im winning
dull drum
you're coping
wicked delta
rapid whale
the community will always pick the meta jobs
verbal frost
Yeah
rapid whale
thats just how it is
wicked delta
I dont need to cope one punch monitor
verbal frost
that's why I think we should be pushing for more balance though
rapid whale
DAMN
verbal frost
right?