endgame-lounge

[sick reef]

Limit cut N/S in pf

Surely that's in normal right

[worn bluff]

i'm not going to farm wings for that

i don't want to see that face 99 times

[sick reef]

I haven't even done ex4 clear yet. I'm waiting for drop rate to go up. I will not do a 100 ex4s

[tawdry delta]

How many 4x4 grid arenas are in the game

[sick reef]

Not enough, next ten fights will have 4x4s

[trim frost]

honestly this arena looks like it sucks

[undone tide]

bruh we can really have tome weapons on all 8 before tier starts

[proper cave]

Still need the raid token to get the tome weapons

[tawdry delta]

Just do 8 splits of m10 during w1

[alpine plover]

Gm

When does tome farming start

[undone tide]

man the insatiable pulse remix is so good

WE FALLLLLL

[trim frost]

one of the only decent pulse remixes

a lot of them are not good

[undone tide]

sometimes i listen to top ost to facilitate the dopamine rush of clearing it for the first time

it is kinda a shame that top doesn’t have more than one piece of original music

same could be said for fru

(by original i mean remixed, doesn’t already appear in the derived raids)

[trim frost]

whoever made the pulse a long fall remix needs to be locked up

[tawdry delta]

Top has 2

P3/4 and p6

[undone tide]

p3/4 is lidolly from o12s

[tawdry delta]

You said you counted remixed as original

P3/4 uses the orchestral version not the o12s original

[alpine plover]

it's slightly different

not the same

[undone tide]

i fucking better hear invincible and to the edge orchestral in the shb ult

[trim frost]

actual ascian ult

welcome back to chrysalis

[undone tide]

holy shit

i just realized

[rapid whale]

sup

[undone tide]

what if there’s a phase with

both hades and WoL

[rapid whale]

yaman

[undone tide]

at the same time?

banger

[rapid whale]

my fan theory was the puzzle would be how do we bait p1 stuff to break minfilia's wall -> we fight giga sin eater that we have to kill by baiting mechs in a way that feeds it too much aether -> hades comes and is like fakka yu and have to also bait darkness attacks to neutralize the stuff from earlier otherwise not enough room to dodge -> wol fight -> wol uses sin eater body as a weapon and hades body as armor/shield final phase

[rain geode]

Honestly I know he died awhile ago but toss Lahabrea in there to have us fight all of the unsundered

[rapid whale]

o thats uwu

for all of 5 secondslmaoo

[rapid whale]

It it's zenos imagine him absorbing zodiark and hydaelyn

Absolute cinema

And make the reward weapons black with a red glow

[undone tide]

i pray that the weapons are derived from the shb artifacts

hades weapons already have insane enhanced versions

[rapid whale]

blood stained hydaelyn ex?

o wait they have enhanced versions too right

[undone tide]

anything hydaelyn related is 100% being saved for endwalker

[dapper zealot]

begging for sin eater hildi as ult

[thin tartan]

1v1 solo phase where everyone needs to win their ones to prog

[trim frost]

sos

[sick dirge]

that shitass qte that i hate

[daring pine]

ex5

[undone tide]

yes please

[zealous meteor]

the humble necron:

i think it actually "just" kills you and doesn't wipe the entire party

[undone tide]

easy solution

if you die you lose a buff that makes it impossible to win

because everyone loves that

[visual geyser]

#ffxiv-screenshots message

🔥 🔥

[undone tide]

mfw i mod my game so much i dont recognize what game m in playing

[visual geyser]

BADDIES 💅

[undone tide]

look a bit closer

it says badess

[remote gate]

open this chat and this is the first thing I see

[undone tide]

labu labu

[dreamy whale]

Hi eglounge

i have 19 days to get through dawntrail

In theory I can get another job to 90, and then finish it in 3 days within that time frame

[zealous meteor]

lalabubu

kill it

[undone tide]

how about

you enjoy dawntrail

and don’t rush it for no reason

because it is a very good expansion

[visual geyser]

I wanted to give benefit of the doubt that the I was just smushed

[undone tide]

yea i was uhh

in disbelief

they forgot the t

[dreamy whale]

Im gonna be raiding heavyweight savage so I gotta get through m1-12 before January 6th

[undone tide]

ok so

[amber fable]

You have till december 16th bruv

[undone tide]

i finished dawntrail’s story in like

4? 5? days on launch

[amber fable]

Dt story is like 3 days

[undone tide]

should be like 7 days with patch quests

[amber fable]

Tops

[dreamy whale]

Ohg ok

[undone tide]

no reason to rush it

its a good story if you don’t like listening to other people

[dapper zealot]

You'll have plenty of time to do it after it comes out. You don't need to worry about clearing week 1

[dreamy whale]

Oh no not clearing but I planned to try it week 1 with my static

[dapper zealot]

You also have to consider the time to gear up as well

[undone tide]

nah q40 looks easy

idk why people are telling me it’s ultimate level

are the dps/mit checks hard

[versed kayak]

mit check/heal check for sure if you don't use the regen pots

and the dps check is hard if you make the mistake I did and pick dancer lol

Mechanically it's easy to wipe if someone makes a mistake

[random needle]

Buff stacking isn't as strong for DPS in Q40 since you only have 4 people

[undone tide]

simple

pld sge sam blm

[manic field]

Is there a way to solo The Dancing Plague extreme? I get stuck at the add-ons you have to keep separated. They all aggro me and I can't do any damage.

[tall field]

@sick dirge
How about snakes

[sick dirge]

NO

[tall field]

Or everyones fav

NA+bonds

Mess up NA dies everyone dies

[sick dirge]

[cerulean crown]

i think you'd either need some kind of really bursty job to be able to kill the adds in time, or just more people. 3-4 should be enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWw7IbxsMVc
haven't watched it fully, but this one uses war at lv 100

[manic field]

I was using lvl 100 warrior

[sick dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSLZiRjLHTE more recent video with drk

[manic field]

they all just ran straight to me lol

[sick dirge]

oh scratch that lol

[cerulean crown]

then i'd watch the video i linked and use the strategies they use

[sick dirge]

the drk killed the adds fine. not sure why they didnt all run to them

ill check the warrior vid

[manic field]

i just need to clear for wondrous tails, ill guess ill see if someone wants to join and dps

[tall field]

I usually stop at stormblood

For wt trials

All but 1 are soloable

[sick dirge]

could be the kill order and positioning..? they both went for peasebloom > puck > mustardseed while standing on the side where peasebloom was gonna spawn

idm lending a hand seeing that youre also on crystal

[manic field]

i made a party finder. ive done this trial plenty of times, just not solo

[sick dirge]

murder

im the picto yes

[cerulean crown]

yeah, i noticed in the war video that mustard doesn't move at all, which i never realized. so you just need to kill puck or peaseblossom before they tether to each other

[manic field]

thank you!

[sick dirge]

sure thing

[jagged aspen]

theres a blu solo video, albeit with max echo, but surely any 100 job does way more?

[cerulean crown]

eh, depends. especially if the blu is final sting combo'ing

[jolly flume]

oh dear

content has appeared on my homepage

[boreal pumice]

tell us why whm is bad chiyo

[jolly flume]

nah

[robust shoal]

Caetsu actually has good takes + does his research

[torn mesa]

watched his summary

his take is accurate, but possibly misleading

this analogy is correct with 1 major addendum: we are considering 1 of 2 students for a scholarship

we are never taking the good student if so

[boreal pumice]

whm is fine just everything else is better

[torn mesa]

right, so it depends if your definition of good or bad

[robust shoal]

kinda depends how you define "fine"

[torn mesa]

is relative to competition or relative to content

[robust shoal]

Can you wk1 with it etc, yeah

Is there any reason whatsoever to pick it if the player is good at ast, no

[jolly flume]

the real answer is just that the players are often worse than the job itself is

[valid solar]

yoshi p give whm lightspeed when

[robust shoal]

honestly even if you suck at ast you probably get better value

[jolly flume]

and that's saying a lot because the job is already not good in comparison to the others

[torn mesa]

not to sound pedantic cats, but this depends on the definition of suck as well

the fact that they cited cure III as a advantage of WHM

seems to imply really really bad groups

[boreal pumice]

it just doesnt provide anything that intresting .unique its basic bitch

[jolly flume]

I just never get the "astro is too much effort" thing

it's not that hard to like

press macro when you see a castbar

[robust shoal]

by sucking I mean like completely dropping the ball with dmg cards

just press div every 2 mins

[torn mesa]

there's layers to this

[jolly flume]

ast was better than whm in 7.05 even if you didn't use any of your cards

[torn mesa]

a bad AST in a savage PF is still outperforming a WHM

[jolly flume]

idk if that's still the case but like

[torn mesa]

but if you're somehow in content where you'd need to cure 3

you're likely not even in a savage PF

[torn mesa]

that's the crux of this conversation

you can apply the first part of this statement to any job

[zealous meteor]

if you need to use cure 3 something has probably gone wrong

[torn mesa]

the latter part of being objectively outclassed is most true for WHM over any other job

which is why it's "bad"

[jolly flume]

if you need unplanned usages of cure 3 something has gone wrong and even if something has gone wrong there's very little you can't heal by just having both healers spam gcds, this isn't an upside of cure 3 because everyone can do it

[torn mesa]

the scenario in which cure 3's extra healing throughput somehow matters

[jolly flume]

I'd argue if you aren't already planning healer cooldowns around places where you might need to spam c3 you're doing it wrong

[torn mesa]

is basically completely false

and hypothetical only

not to mention for emergency situations, cure 3 can't touch seraphism at all

[jolly flume]

you might need to spam c3 during tracking tremors

or you could just press bell, seraphism, neutral sect, or panhaima holos

like

[robust shoal]

m8s stack after someone missed a tower is the kind of thing I'm envisioning where cure 3 would matter

[jolly flume]

the amount of times that heal spamming is necessary and also isn't already covered by good cd planning is 1 in a thousand

[robust shoal]

and might be the only legitimate case for it in the tier

[torn mesa]

like

[jolly flume]

that bleed kinda does nothing ngl

[torn mesa]

the most legitimate argument

you have for WHM over AST

is that WHM has a dash

[jolly flume]

if we missed a tower, both healers put in one extra gcd

[torn mesa]

which is so so so miniscule

and yeah, a job being easy or hard is not a case for or against it being good

[boreal pumice]

only it has going for it is holy stun which is like who cares thats mostly dungeon content

[jolly flume]

bleeding during tremors?

better than c3, even

[boreal pumice]

you ever killed someone with expedient

[jolly flume]

just dont press it when people are sprinting at a wall

lol

[worn bluff]

i once got a SCH that used expedient as people were getting towards the edge of the arena in M4S exas

[jolly flume]

even without the part where people fall off the edge

that's a questionable expedience usage at best

[worn bluff]

i choose to believe they did it just because it's funny

[clear plume]

This is always the way to look at it, you will never be a “good” whm but “suck” at ast. So much carries over that if you can’t handle Asts ogcds well you’re not gonna be amazing at whms kit magically to where it’s like, a 75th percentile vs 97th percentile difference ass shit, and if it is it’s because you’re out here being one of the whms that press asylum zero times in prog type shit every time.

It’s like for tanks when people say they’re good at pld/warrior but can’t drk

Like if you’re at the level where class decisions should ever matter like hell you can’t drk when it’s strictly better

Or mch/dnc etc

But like, every mch has accepted they’re dnc brd for most things, and whms still cope about cure 3 and I don’t get it

Like ast having more tools means when you’re looking at whm c3 output you HAVE to compare it to ast still having those tools

[jolly flume]

you don't even have to go that far

the kind of situation in which you might be pressing cure 3 is the same kind of situation in which you would plan a neutral sect usage

I don't have to explain which one is better

and on the point about sucking at astro somehow

[wicked delta]

No please do explain so you have to type more

[jolly flume]

my friend went from playing whm for 4 tiers straight through endwalker

to playing ast for the first time in cw

and hes still 90+ on every fight

there is no such thing as a good healer player that would somehow be bad at one of the healer jobs to the point that its objective benefits would be nullified

[robust shoal]

Your party cannot legally die without your consent after you press neutral sect

[remote gate]

please write an APA style essay explaining your reasoning with fflog logs of Astros parsing 90+ to prove your point. the essay needs to be three pages minimum and you need five logs with a detailed analysis on why everything happened the way it did.

[rapid whale]

No u

[jolly flume]

if you step back and look at the numbers on neutral sect

it immediately becomes obvious just how absolutely stupid of a cooldown it is

[remote gate]

no u this is 40% of your final grade

[rapid whale]

You have no power here

[jolly flume]

one helcon under neutral sect is a 300p heal, 1050p regen, and 375p shield on top of letting you trigger horoscope for an extra 400p

like

[remote gate]

im your fucking college professor I own you bitch now move to a different spread spot i picked this one already

[rapid whale]

Kenki gauge

[rapid whale]

I knew astro was good but what

[clear plume]

What’s wild is that people still don’t see dissipation the same way, like even on posts like https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1cd5rzk/does_anyone_actually_use_dissipation/ you have replies of “yes it’s energy drain 4-6 in my opener” instead of talking about it being a “no we will not die here” button that it sees exceptional usage at high levels in

[remote gate]

is the suntouched ability to tip of the already busted iceberg

[jolly flume]

dissi is actually crazy for that

like am1 in dsr I pop dissi right after the exa goes off and I get fresh stacks for soil and indom AND a 20% to the 4 succors I press in a row

[clear plume]

Like having 3 extra aetherflow to smack down a soil indom and go to town is a “other healer is dead, party is not” wincon

Whm is probably the job that would benefit the most from it being actively unplayed for a tier so they’d feel fine reworking it because like, ast is so broken in comparison though yeah

[craggy marsh]

Jokes on you I didn't study

[remote gate]

failed you wipe on dolls repeatedly

[craggy marsh]

But

That's what happens already

[rapid whale]

Gg

[dreamy whale]

Hellow

[rapid whale]

Hi

[ancient falcon]

Greetings.

[wicked delta]

https://tenor.com/view/crusin-samoyed-dog-cute-gif-16054608

[jolly flume]

sammy

[jagged aspen]

what is higher prio than tbn

only pct, or sage too?

[jolly flume]

tempera and arcane crest

[rapid whale]

tempura shrimp and zaru soba

[wicked delta]

Are you hungry

[jolly flume]

that's my secret cap

I'm always hungry

https://tenor.com/view/holo-spice-and-wolf-ookami-to-koushinryou-2024-anime-gif-12548915947306703985

[vast jacinth]

fru in pf is impossible content omg i just wanna see P5

again pls

[rapid whale]

you can do it cherry

[jolly flume]

i'll never stop

as many times as it takes

[dreamy whale]

I gotta stop playing warrior

Has too much survivability in casual content

[wicked delta]

https://tenor.com/view/horo-holo-spice-and-wolf-nourriture-eat-gif-12016797

[dreamy whale]

Making me develop bad habits

[jolly flume]

are you a believer now

[dreamy whale]

positioned poorly and can’t move out of the aoe
“Ah well, fuck it”
rampart and bloodwhetting

[wicked delta]

https://tenor.com/view/holo-spice-and-wolf-holo-the-wise-wolf-horo-korbo-gif-13009516793083034180

I get it now.

[jolly flume]

[proper cave]

https://tenor.com/view/spice-and-wolf-holo-ear-gif-581198774704697605

[rapid whale]

if you think about it novelists are basically people whose oc are good enough to be paid for

writers?

wtf brain

[jolly flume]

where are my mistic memory greaves of fending

this game sucks

[clear plume]

I think they’re in meso terminal

[jolly flume]

clearly they're not

or I'd have them

[sick dirge]

the last boss ate them

[random needle]

Getting BiS together is the biggest thing putting me off FRU honestly

[boreal pumice]

It shouldn’t it gives you a goal to do

[jolly flume]

grinding gear is a lame ass "goal" in comparison to actually doing the fight

it's just a chore

[boreal pumice]

Eh gives you somthing to do b4 doing pf or static

[versed kayak]

ye not looking forward to running meso terminal a million times

[boreal pumice]

Hey didn’t say it was a fun or good goal but beats just doing nothing in limsa

[jolly flume]

I mean..

with the time you're spending getting bis

you could be

like in the actual fight progging??

[boreal pumice]

Idk if they have a static playing at a certain time or if any pfs just somthing to do on the down time

[jolly flume]

that might be true if it was something you did on the side

but it's not, it's a prerequisite

and that blows

[zealous meteor]

when will they add the gear pity system to level cap dungeons

[clear plume]

Never probably, they kind of like people running them

Msq only happened bc they added ilvl locks to dungeons

[versed kayak]

idk I just play another game

Still gonna farm in between sessions but its still annoying

[wicked delta]

botanist at lvl 97

how do ppl do gathering shit all day bruh

im almost falling asleep

[boreal pumice]

A 2nd monitor

[wicked delta]

hey man

[undone tide]

people’s obsession with ulti bis annoys the shit out of me

like

go in with the pieces that you have and grind it on the side

don’t let it hurt your prog

it really does not matter

especially when ultimates are as easy on dps as they are with current gear

[dreamy whale]

remember when I went into uwu with all grey crystarium gear

[undone tide]

nice tree brah

[undone tide]

oh i just realized i just copied chiyo word for word

mb

[dreamy whale]

Death to lopporits

[novel garden]

Seeing the tree be a crystal... like I have so many questions

[zealous meteor]

why is namingway standing there menacingly

[zealous meteor]

what the hell

[undone tide]

i guess you should call him menacingway

[novel garden]

A test of your reflexes pushes them into the water

[rapid whale]

hot take we should get a currency that lets us buy any gear from the dungeon or fuck it make it buyable with poetics

[undone tide]

estrogen

[worn bluff]

best loporrit is nothingway

[rapid whale]

found em boss

[jolly flume]

im killing you

[torn mesa]

holy

Otto Dutivius working for Chiyo now?

[zealous meteor]

i think if i ever decide that making the game literally play itself for me is a good idea, i'm deleting it

[wicked delta]

why is he so short

[zealous meteor]

bunboys are just short

[torn mesa]

see here's the catch

most people who use stuff like that

don't view doing it manually as 'playing' the game

[rapid whale]

my BAD

[dreamy whale]

Deadway

[undone tide]

i can start working on the loporrit quests now i just realized

progress

[worn bluff]

"we're named after what we're good at"
"what's your name?"

[rapid whale]

all the dead

[dreamy whale]

https://tenor.com/view/muerto-gif-16250174877271582365

lmao

[jolly flume]

Unknown 01

[rapid whale]

oh hey that's me

[worn bluff]

also urianger giving a speech about how every loporrit's name has a lot of meaning

"m... my name is puddingway"

[jolly flume]

hey

pudding is important

[zealous meteor]

dyingway

every loporrit name is a gerund

[dreamy whale]

“My name is exterminatorway”

[zealous meteor]

with the sole exception of puddingway

because he's comic relief

[zealous meteor]

*exterminatingway

[dreamy whale]

Oh ty

See I hate loporrits so i cant even remember the naming convention

[zealous meteor]

just use a word that ends with -ing and you'll probably be correct

[dreamy whale]

Shittingway

Can I get raidingway in my static

[rapid whale]

cactingway

[undone tide]

yknow

red mage

definitely the hardest caster rn

this fru doc is crazy

[dull drum]

doesnt help that CW was cancer to play it in

[daring pine]

can confirm

[undone tide]

why

i guess i can see m7s being a problem

with the brambles

[dull drum]

m7s yeah

[dreamy whale]

Fs

Have to make sure contre sixte and fleche come out on cooldown

Throw in melee combos

Manafication off cooldown

[dull drum]

maybe m6?

i think its chill in 5/8

[dreamy whale]

still think its crazy that yoshi p didnt even think mch with latency was an issue until mrhappy brought it up

[daring pine]

all of this is easy

[dull drum]

still think its crazy they dont play their own game

but whatevs

[daring pine]

optimising it, however

vomit

[daring pine]

yea rdm is chill in 5s, has been p chill in m8sp1 but im not on p2 yet so idk about that one

m6s was fine except for the end of bridge/start of lava if you're trying to double melee there

because if you don't do it early enough the boss gets dragged south and you're sitting there with 3 stacks like an idiot

m7s was..something

[dreamy whale]

Yoshi p plays blm I thought

[rapid whale]

so

iirc there's unironicalyl like 4 workers on the job design/balance team

and it's very clear they dont play test some of the jobs in a serious manner

[dreamy whale]

[rapid whale]

like on dawn trail launch

there was a tech where pictomancer clicked off their buff because it was more dmg

same with monk

[versed kayak]

he does

[jolly flume]

it was pretty obviously not intended

and it's not like it would've taken more than 30 seconds to figure that out if you compared the ew and dt tooltips

[loud nymph]

we have LL next week right

[dreamy whale]

that’s the eu one tho i thought

[zealous meteor]

there's no separte live letters per region

[dreamy whale]

Ohg

[zealous meteor]

there was an EU stream today but that's not a live letter

[dreamy whale]

Twitter lied to me

[zealous meteor]

just the community team doing community team things

[dreamy whale]

Oh that’s what I saw

[zealous meteor]

many such cases

[torn mesa]

shoutout to RDM going from easiest to hardest caster

despite barely changing from ShB to DT

[zealous meteor]

everything around it changed

[undone tide]

it’s almost as if…

[quick verge]

I been saying for like 8 years that rdm is the best caster

[boreal pumice]

First job to solo ptod rdm king

[undone tide]

man i’m

wondering if i go static next tier or not

just always that fear of i don’t know what my schedule is going to look like

[worn bluff]

that's basically why i can never static

[jolly flume]

for me as long as I can guarantee the hours on w1

reclears are like whatever

we figure it out

[rain geode]

beating something the second time is usually easier after all

[jolly flume]

there are no more stakes after w1

worst case I call a friend to sub for me and I do my own acc in pf

[rain geode]

My plan rn is to put a lot of hours into week 1 and see where the week takes me

[undone tide]

also everyone wants to do splits

at least at the level i’d be able to justify joining a static

[rain geode]

as in split the loot?

[undone tide]

i do not have the time or money to dedicate to an alt

[undone tide]

they run on alts to get more gear every week

[rain geode]

Ah I also wondered how that works I assume you do the like half chest clears and funnel it to the main accounts?

[jolly flume]

4 alts 4 mains, mains get loot, repeat

[undone tide]

yep

i don’t understand it personally

i guess it’s good for parsing

[wicked delta]

[undone tide]

but nobody gives a fuck about pre bis parsing

[sick dirge]

landslides

the landslides

[jolly flume]

it gets me more gear for alt jobbingthe ultimate which is nice

but by and large you're still tome gated

because fuck tomes

[undone tide]

but nobody gives a fuck about pre bis parsing

fixed it

[rapid whale]

erm ackchyalli 🤓 👆

[undone tide]

they hated him for he was correct

[thin fox]

oh my god bruh

i am

FIVE

pulls in

to zalenia normal

[sick dirge]

..?

the hell is happening over there

more importantly why havent you left

[random needle]

Genuinely how does that happen

[sick dirge]

are the healers taking a nice big nap or something 😭

[jolly flume]

big naps are nice

[sick dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-water-tom-splash-gif-8220480

wake up

[jolly flume]

https://tenor.com/view/ashton-hall-ashton-ashton-hall-meme-morning-routine-ashton-hall-morning-routine-gif-14728576734242388520

[thin fox]

NEW LAP

[rapid whale]

how r u so cursed

istg you get the most scuffed runs r u doing your roulettes on dynamis or something

[zealous meteor]

even dynamis isn't (usually) this bad

[sick dirge]

what are yall DOING there

[thin fox]

dawg

we have no rezzers but the healers

and the healers

keep

DYING

and the dps are no better

[wicked delta]

ow

[sick dirge]

jfc

[wicked delta]

i ate a tankbuster and died

very sad!

[rapid whale]

dnc actually fucks at low levels

[zealous meteor]

isn't the whole job identity of DNC that it fucks

one specific person. and nobody else

[craggy marsh]

Yeah, me

[rapid whale]

tank dp

[craggy marsh]

[zealous meteor]

i meant their dance partner but sure

[craggy marsh]

Yeah, me

PLD dp

[sick dirge]

drk dp

[craggy marsh]

No

[sick dirge]

aw

[sick dirge]

youre winner!!

[rapid whale]

ermge

[thin fox]

normal raid roulette could not be worse

[jolly flume]

wait but thats peak

[thin fox]

talking about df quality

[sick dirge]

vro

[zealous meteor]

O12 isn't that bad

O11....

maybe i'm just unlucky

[dreamy whale]

Coping seething malding rn

Im not on raid list for Sunday

Fuck my chungus life

[vast jacinth]

why is there a raidlist for a static huh

or is it like fc raidin?

[dreamy whale]

For my static

We have a bunch of people

I just was the unlucky one

[dull drum]

bro its not even that hard

one tank takes it in the butt, the other gets omega f

[dreamy whale]

We have 23 people but only like 11 of us are active raiders in the group and 9 people were interested in sunday

So i got shafted

[worn bluff]

i like O11 you get to spam melee LB

[thin fox]

what is my luck

a 40 minute yuweyuwata

a half hour zalenia

[rapid whale]

wasnt that hr 30

[thin fox]

wdym

[rapid whale]

120-90=30min left no

[thin fox]

trials are 60m timers

[zealous meteor]

yeah

[dreamy whale]

If I’m learning a phase with a new role and a different strategy than I know I should label the pf fresh prog right

[zealous meteor]

trials: 60m
dungeons: 90m (except prae, i think, which is 120m)
raids: depends on difficulty and floor
alliance raids: 120m

ults are 120m too afaik

[thin fox]

ults are 120m yes

[zealous meteor]

bonus:
field ops: 180m

[wicked delta]

getting this always gives me so much despair

the amount of ppl standing in the obvious aoe with a stack marker on their head

[dreamy whale]

Like if I was doing UWU as a dps instead of tank and I have to learn LPDU strats bc I learned with NAUR

[jagged aspen]

uwu is pretty close isnt it

there are barely any strats to begin with 😄

[undone tide]

so both tanks are taking it up the butt

[dreamy whale]

I dunno I only ever did P1

[jagged aspen]

p1 is just different position at start i think?

[worn bluff]

i like in o12 when the tanks get baited into using their mits on the flare just before optimized blade dance and then drop dead

[jagged aspen]

But I'd say you should review the differences and think for yourself how confident you are in acting outside of your comfort zone. To be safe, you could join something like P1 cleanup, see how you can handle it, then look for P2 cleanup etc. Since re-progging from scratch completely would be extremely miserable.

Of course PF availability might get in the way of that

[dreamy whale]

Well I only learned P1 on tank and I can barely stumble through it without awakening garuda so i dont think it would be that bad

[jagged aspen]

If you're only in p1 then you can do from start ig, it usually doesn't take too long to get past p1

[dreamy whale]

Yeah I only saw P2 twice and died immediately

[dull drum]

i beg for yuweyu

it has that one tank chestpiece

real nice

[dull drum]

does NAUR not just link the tessan video

pt sure tessan goes by LPDU usually

but as riv said the differences are pt miniscule

worst case you just cause like

1-2 wipes

[dreamy whale]

Nah NAUR has a toolbox

[dapper zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-laughing-gif-13031147940704744720

[zealous meteor]

friend :D

[dreamy whale]

Why is bro stanced up

[zealous meteor]

who knows

also can i just say that i love lala /photograph

the :D

[wicked delta]

our tank is dented gg

[zealous meteor]

rip

[thin fox]

[jolly flume]

damn I've never seen that pop in roulette before

[undone tide]

i’m sorry

His solemn vow broken, Hraesvelgr flies into a rage!

[jagged aspen]

i wish i could queue for it

[low hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-mad-angry-ishowspeed-sheisty-gif-13492318246358992086

[dull drum]

just watch the tessan video man

the toolbox is worthless

(imo)

[undone tide]

i like toolboxes more

tbh

actually

i like raidplans more

[low hearth]

I hate the ads

[undone tide]

toolboxes take way too long to load

[low hearth]

Raidplan clears

[dull drum]

was the uwu toolbox even good

i never read that shit

[low hearth]

Well

[undone tide]

do you know the last time i even thought about uwu

[low hearth]

It’s good yea

[jagged aspen]

oh they dont sell level skips for DT jobs?

[zealous meteor]

nope

newest jobs don't get skips

if you want to play them from the start, gotta skip another job then unlock the new one

[jagged aspen]

yea i just didnt want to do 10 extra levels lol

[proper cave]

$2.50 per level pls

[jagged aspen]

$2.50 for an hour saved is not a bad deal 😄

[worn bluff]

i would pay that

[rain geode]

I would't leveling is so fast in this game

[jagged aspen]

well its still about an hour per level

towards the end at least

[rain geode]

Really I get a level in about 30-40 minutes tho I mostly just do my dailies

[jagged aspen]

90-100 is about 2.5 roulettes or dungeons per level. those can be 15 minutes but realistically youre spending another 10 in queue as dps

[rain geode]

I mean daily pvp match is usually about 15 and it like half a level by itself

[worn bluff]

oh like 2.5 full rounds of roulettes you mean

yeah i guess

[jagged aspen]

2.5 leveling/msq/ARcrystal tower roulettes or latest dungeon, per level, roughly

[worn bluff]

oh nvm you said per level

i can’t read

[distant knoll]

if only i could have the red version as a mount

[jagged aspen]

i havent really tried leveling in pvp, i dont hate myself enough to do that 😄

[rain geode]

Your daily PVP match is like half a level and it gets you stuff to spend on glams

[worn bluff]

i don’t mind running around in frontline but last few times i queued it was like a 20 min wait

[rain geode]

Ive never had it go more then 5 minutes

well besides the one time I tried to queue it at like 3am for the lulz

[jagged aspen]

i thought markers are just 2d positions?

[undone tide]

unironically though i’d like to make waymarks less visually prevalent

[vestal hollow]

no they can go up and down with funny tools

[jagged aspen]

the squares often have a purpose though

[vestal hollow]

not really

[jagged aspen]

not so much in fru butyea

[vestal hollow]

there are lines on the floor

[undone tide]

sometimes

[vestal hollow]

most times

[jagged aspen]

yea but like, in top the lines are all identical and im not gona count rings

or aligning monitors

[undone tide]

you kinda have to count rings for proper positioning

[jagged aspen]

depends, party synergy mid positions are exactly lined up with waymarks for instance, or sigma mid are just in front of markers

[undone tide]

delta

delta is probably the tightest positioning in the entire game

[jolly flume]

even in fru

na does ct rewind positions relative to the marker box

[undone tide]

true

[jagged aspen]

oh yea that too but its not terribly precise

[undone tide]

also you need to position directly on the marker for ice

[jagged aspen]

huh which ice, ct?

[undone tide]

yes

[jagged aspen]

you dont soak dragons on the marker o_o

[undone tide]

why tf haven’t we switched to kbi strats

[jagged aspen]

unless its some ancient waymarks that were further out

[jolly flume]

ive been asking the same since a year ago

[jagged aspen]

everyone can kbi without messing it up for others though i think?

since you stay in the same relative positions for both knockbacks

[jolly flume]

yes

but you can full party kbi and stack up in the middl

instead of a corner

[jagged aspen]

the second kb still gets you though

[jolly flume]

it does not

[jagged aspen]

or its not far enough?

and you gotta orient correctly too so tanks eat theirs

[jagged aspen]

doesnt it only last for one even if you press last moment?

[undone tide]

well yea but the point is that you’re standing in the middle so there’s no risk of the wild charge being taken incorrectly

also looking at my fru pov and for some reason the “most replayed” part of the video is darklit

[jagged aspen]

you still want to spread a bit so people dont get hit twice

[undone tide]

🤨

i do not believe you are understanding

[jagged aspen]

maybe theyre looking for how to do cleaves on whatever job youre on

if im watching a pov for specific class its usually because i want to see their cd usage

[undone tide]

you are doing the exact same orientation as if you were in the corner but you are giving your party significantly more space to position

[jagged aspen]

i guess, but by everyone going to the same corner, people that forgot which way the waves were can tell where they need to stand

whereas if you go middle they need to think for themselves

[jolly flume]

what

middle is always middle

you just stack the full party and ignore the vulns because they're non-lethal

[jagged aspen]

isnt it pretty tight if people forget to press mits 😄

like down to 10% if you get hit by two

[jolly flume]

"strat is bad because people forget to press mits" is hardly an excuse to not use a strat that reduces the execution requirement of a mechanic

everything is bad if people forget mits

https://youtu.be/18f9VX4Injc?t=720

[jagged aspen]

idk people dont usually have trouble placing them unless they ate exas on their way to cleanse or just were late in general

[jolly flume]

the entire point of this strat

is to provide more leniency on movement speed

so you cannot be late

nor do you have to rush yourself to grab your cleanse, knowing that the timing is tight

because you are always two seconds closer to where you need to be for rewind than if you were dropping in the corner

[jagged aspen]

i guess
btw both na and eu use different markers now dont they?

a bit closer to middle

[jolly flume]

do you? idk

our markers are right on the edge of the outer ring of the fatebreaker arena

[jagged aspen]

its probably for apoc positions

[wicked delta]

Chiyo, don’t grief your co healers.

[jagged aspen]

these are used everywhere now i think

(without being in the ground ofc)

[jolly flume]

im pretty sure ours have always been that way

in pf anyways

I always hated these markers, we should've done dsr style with color opposites

[jagged aspen]

in the video ppl are doing ct cleanses on the markers

i definitely never confused north and south in dsr 👀

[jolly flume]

opposite color markers make apoc a billion times easier

[jagged aspen]

with voice yea

but without whats the difference?

[jolly flume]

it's easier to memorize a color to bait darkest on than to say 2 4 in your head over and over while flexing across the arena

that's the only real part of the entire mechanic anyways

[jagged aspen]

bait is the same spot where side melee was though

so you just go there?

[jolly flume]

doing mechanics relative to other people is how you wipe

[jagged aspen]

ig its harder if youre doing freepoc since you get 180'd

[jolly flume]

and yeah we do unflex

so

[jagged aspen]

well, if they stood on wrong color you already wiped 😄

[jolly flume]

that doesn't help

they stand on the wrong color, realize they're wrong, adjust, now your brain is scrambled eggs because you were thinking about five other things at the same time

[jagged aspen]

or well, if you do it relative to where they should've been instead, that works too

[jolly flume]

just read it for yourself

but that's the whole point

there's two things I hate about pf apoc

1. mt doesn't plant on the safe marker so ot is always prepositioned for bait

2. we don't do opposite color markers which makes 1 more of a pain in the ass

[jagged aspen]

idk it didnt seem too bad to me, though i didnt prog on tank and only played it after

[jolly flume]

not too bad isn't a reason to make things harder than they need to be

shruge

4-4 akh morn does no damage if your healers have two brain cells between the two of them

we still do 7-1 because it's mostly a better tradeoff

[jagged aspen]

but why do freepoc then

[jolly flume]

don't ask me

I don't make the na pf strats

in fact I just spent the last ten minutes shitting on them

[vast jacinth]

wth is freepoc

[jagged aspen]

when you swap 3 times insread of 1

[vast jacinth]

wow weres that rant

[vast jacinth]

oh so non perma swap

[jagged aspen]

aka go back to your group for spreadies aftet stacks

[vast jacinth]

instead of perma swap

[jolly flume]

yeah we call it unflex

[jagged aspen]

and then back again for stacks

[vast jacinth]

ok i like eu strat more

[jagged aspen]

totallu worth 0.5 melee gcds in 10% of the pulls where they swap to ranged spot

[vast jacinth]

meh sometimes tanks give the melees space so

[jagged aspen]

darklit is weird on na as well

[jolly flume]

darklit is kinda the same mechanic no matter how you try to solve it

there's really no difference

theres only so many ways you can make a bowtie and have the other four people bait proteans lol

[undone tide]

i love this mentality

this strat is easier but you can still fail so there’s no reason to change

[jolly flume]

611 akh morns killed my family

[undone tide]

1-7 got adapted so quickly

i was proud

[jolly flume]

now we teach everyone the truth of 6-2

actually fuck it

1-1

[undone tide]

when are we using penis inception

[jolly flume]

chat does this clear

[vast jacinth]

maybe

where my kill i saw p5 once today

[jolly flume]

idk come to na and I can 1 pull you

[vast jacinth]

and then the tanks fcked up

[vast jacinth]

i need to farm BiS on my alt first XD

[undone tide]

tanks wouldn’t have fucked up if i was there

just sayin.

[jolly flume]

idk what to do anymore

[undone tide]

me

do me

[jolly flume]

bet

log on

[undone tide]

i’m still at my grandparents

[jolly flume]

rip

[undone tide]

copium

home tmrw

[jolly flume]

idk I wanna do a few extra fru totems for fun

kinda nothing to do until patch

[undone tide]

then i go back to school to finish semester

[vast jacinth]

im gonna kill fru

[undone tide]

you do DD

with me

ez

[vast jacinth]

then maybe finish DD

or do tea? or ucob?

[undone tide]

top

[jolly flume]

am I bored enough to do 70 ulti reclears

lol

[undone tide]

no

don’t let them get to you

[jolly flume]

need 1 of each on the hotbar surely

[vast jacinth]

wthh

[undone tide]

no this just shows you have taste

[jolly flume]

true...

[undone tide]

the refined palate does not conceive uwu and ucob

🚬

[vast jacinth]

i killed uwu once

maybe i will rerust one time

[undone tide]

do not

it’s not worth your time

[jolly flume]

that fight is so boring

[undone tide]

i’d rather watch paint dry

[jolly flume]

unless ur doing challenge runs or smth

[undone tide]

i could be frotting

[jagged aspen]

i mean why have flex prio instead of just supports west dps east

[jolly flume]

there

isn't?

its just tank swap with a dps depending on the pattern, like I said, there's only so many ways you can make a bowtie

[jagged aspen]

for baits not towers

[jolly flume]

you're standing there in predetermined spots

[wicked delta]

Don’t do that bruh

[jolly flume]

if you are left

you go left

if you are right

you go right

its like

every conga line mechanic ever made

[jagged aspen]

naur has r1 r2 m1 m2 conga, but r1 goes east if both range have baits 😄

[undone tide]

why

[jolly flume]

use eyes mechanic

always has been

[worn bluff]

yeah idk if there was a conga but i just always used eyes

[jagged aspen]

well ye theres plenty of times to use eyes, thats the point

so why even have conga at all

[worn bluff]

as long as you're not overlapping the other protean and the stack is on the right side it's fine

[jolly flume]

because having people spread

assists in using eyes

is standing in a predetermined line while a mechanic goes off like actually so hard that we have to complain about it

come on

[worn bluff]

oh i guess the DPS line up a certain way right? idk i was tank

and i think it's always 1 tank 1 healer that gets tethered?

[jolly flume]

it's the same shit for dps

yes

dps have to flex sides if two of the same type get tethered

so you just

open your eyeballs and look

[undone tide]

chat is opening a can of beer with one hand more aura than two hands

[wicked delta]

True aura is drinking vodka actually

[undone tide]

eastern european

[wicked delta]

💔

[undone tide]

this mfer romanian

[jagged aspen]

but if you just have dps east and sup west then nobody has to flex bc its always 2 2

[worn bluff]

you gotta smash it over your forehead

[jolly flume]

now you're just deciding which dps is north and which dps is south

in other words

you're just using eyes

it's the same mechanic dude

[jagged aspen]

you just assert dominance and make the other dps move 😄

[jolly flume]

if you do that on prange I hope yoship smites you down from the heavens

[jagged aspen]

yes and make sure to take melee spot for spreads

[jolly flume]

that was actually the one part of old naur darklit that pissed me off

used to just send tanks to the wall for no reason instead of putting the dps inside the hitbox

or god forbid doing rough clock spreads

[jagged aspen]

just be pld

[worn bluff]

pld was so comfy

plus your invuln cd meant you never had to bait somber (with fmbg)

[undone tide]

making the off tank do darkest and somber

it’s just natural

[jolly flume]

"I can only MT" paladin on his way to make me do all the work

[worn bluff]

i deserve a break. i had to move the boss for like 8 seconds in phase 2

[undone tide]

this was me unironically because nobody i played with wanted to MT

for whatever reason

[jolly flume]

drk mt son or serial single digit grey daughter

[worn bluff]

it's because in the beginning people thought OT had it easier because of phase 1/2

[undone tide]

drk mt son is probably a neckbeard

logically speaking

[jagged aspen]

you can still do apoc as mt ig

[jolly flume]

you can do anything as any job

[worn bluff]

every MT only DRK i played with in PF pulled the boss 15 feet off center in phase 1

[jolly flume]

none of it actually matters

[undone tide]

i mean MT has a harder job in p5

[jolly flume]

do they

I don't really think so

you kinda just stand in the middle of a very clearly marked tower and press shirk

[jagged aspen]

ot needs to press more buttons on towers

[undone tide]

you have a good bit of responsibility especially when people can’t adjust to fulgent

[jolly flume]

well

if you do point dodge

sure

I guess

[undone tide]

if boss isn’t facing A you explode

this is pf we’re talking about

expectations are low

[jolly flume]

ok dude

the weird obsession with true north

on polarizing is like

????

[jagged aspen]

fulgent? u mean polaruzing

[worn bluff]

point dodge is easy though

[undone tide]

yea idc

[jolly flume]

ideal polarizing is literally just

point the boss at where the first tower was

but if you dont point the boss at A

you're wiping

[jagged aspen]

i thought its ot that turns boss after towrs?

[jolly flume]

every single time I'm in p5 I voke back from the OT frame 1 because they cannot be trusted

[worn bluff]

there's a cool visual indicator for where to stand for polarizing

it's

the hitbox

[undone tide]

i think next ultimate i’m just going to go in and play paladin when i MT and if im not playing paladin i will OT on drk

i like differentiation

[jolly flume]

you will rip my gunblade from my cold dead hands

[undone tide]

hands you a sword and shield

i promise you it’s better this way

[jolly flume]

the only better I need is the kind where you lock out war from your pf

[undone tide]

already done

[jolly flume]

I see we will get along just fine

[worn bluff]

"i only MT" plays the one tank that can just die to damage on burn mark

[undone tide]

do you guys ever go look at your gameplay and you’re just like

shit this was clean

[jolly flume]

back when I used to do top still

yeah

now I just hit buttons

sometimes well

[undone tide]

https://youtu.be/XlFWhy_q7KY?si=bHhten_EaM1Ca_iZ

like

it’s so clean man

what happened to this

[worn bluff]

no

[undone tide]

why am i bad at the game

[jolly flume]

I think in the fru vod I have on youtube I overcapped a cartridge at pandora's box bc I was yapping

but we killed the boss before I could spend my carts anyways

[random needle]

I just think about what I did on rhe last pull and it makes me want to write an apology to everyone else

[jolly flume]

lol

yo theres an ecouple c41

do I join

[undone tide]

yes

report back in 45 minutes

[jolly flume]

I can already tell you what ill be back with in 45 minutes

it'll be an fflogs report with like 3 apoc wipes and no p5

[undone tide]

no

you progressively wipe

first is fof

second is dd

then ur

then apoc

then ct

then disband

make it happen buster

go in and fuck shit up

[jolly flume]

oh actually

maybe this party clears

[undone tide]

JAMIE JAMS

dodge

[jolly flume]

look I dont like them

but we cleared like yesterday

so surely

[undone tide]

so where is the ecouple

[jolly flume]

diff party

[undone tide]

feel like i’ve seen trauma bonds before

[jolly flume]

goes hard

[undone tide]

don’t remember where

chat should i go on a walk at midnight on my grandparents countryside property

hopefully its not a full moon tn

[worn bluff]

the moon haunts you

[jolly flume]

@undone tide https://medal.tv/games/ff-xiv-online/clips/lBtJGOL3ZTURNZLzG?invite=cr-MSxHZlcsMjEwOTg5MDQ5&v=60

[worn bluff]

damn that one crystal was like a mini boss

[rain geode]

alright it was super clean

but I cleared my first savage

[jolly flume]

hey grats

5?

[rain geode]

yeah figured a good place to start as any

and noticed there was a party that only needed on spot

[jolly flume]

nice nice

[rain geode]

I also 90+'d three of the roles so thatll be nice if I go onto M6S

its also just generally nice because it gets me to 750 which is what I see most of the few ex farm partys that are going have the min stats set to that

I also didnt grey the parse somehow

which is suprising considering there was like 2-3 times during that fight where I clipped my GCD to do two healing actions and at least 1 moment where I just didnt GCD for like 3 GCDs to focus on doing the mechanic

Which in hindsight I could have just pressed ruin II but we learning

[versed kayak]

nice, congrats!

It's pretty difficult to grey parse if you keep your gcd up I think (and dont die)

I didnt grey parse as healer with crafted gear 6 months after LHW released

[rain geode]

I did not die and I felt like I was doing ok with my GCD

Its a bit hard to keep track on casters I feel since I interupt a decent number of casts when I need to move

big thing was struggling to keep track on my DoT

Maybe I need to move the bosses health part and debuffs somewhere more convenient

[versed kayak]

where is it right now?

[rain geode]

let me go punch something in the overworld for a screen shot

[undone tide]

NAHHHH

PICTO IS IMMEDIATELY BLACKLISTED

that’s some parse monkey shit

[versed kayak]

actually nvm I lied, I did once when I died before the 2 mins, skill issue I guess

[rain geode]

This is the current HUD set up

the enemy cast bar is to the right my cast bar

[versed kayak]

hm, I guess you dont look there that often

[rain geode]

which I might also have to change as M5S's move names where so long my cast bar blocked them lol

[versed kayak]

I have everything around my char basically

[worn bluff]

i put my character buffs above my health bar, then boss debuffs above that

[undone tide]

this is

horrific actually

[versed kayak]

works for me :D

[rain geode]

that is the core thing about HUDs

Im not sure if its that where my healthbar is bad for me or if its just the ive never been the best at managing dots lol

thank good its only one

[versed kayak]

it can be easy to forget when youre doing new mechs

try to associate the dot refresh with a mechanic
so when the mech happens you remember to fresh it

[true beacon]

This is the best I could find for mine

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/420652632454070304/1309441568268222484/Final_Fantasy_XIV_A_Realm_Reborn_2024.11.12_-_12.04.36.48.DVR.mp4?ex=692b5d3e&is=692a0bbe&hm=c2fe7aa9bd1412576279755135dd795aaacb216e9f948d5ff9b5d01c48e49d77&

[valid solar]

did that PCT legitimately only use 111/222 on the crystal ?

[dull drum]

yours is kinda similar to mine

[undone tide]

yo vivian banshee????

zzz reference