endgame-lounge

[jolly flume]

all good

[undone tide]

i die to dd every clear bro

[jolly flume]

I was too busy singing footsteps in the snow

to read her dialogue box

mf gang

still got a 52 though

[undone tide]

brother braggin bout a 52

[jolly flume]

with a death and old gear

ill take it

like

better than half of ppl while dying

kinda wild

[undone tide]

i forgot i was kinda cracked

[jolly flume]

ive been avging like

75 ish rn

which isnt bad for a job I dont play much

I think there's tech I don't know though

bc I've seen logs of ppl sending their 2s before ct instead of during darklit

so you can get better pot windows

[undone tide]

gnb opti is fucked

i could not

[jolly flume]

yeah im just vibing my rotation

[undone tide]

instead i choose

[jolly flume]

works well enough

[undone tide]

when i’ve been playing the same job for 4 years so i’ve been stockholmed into thinking it’s fun

[jolly flume]

idk man

just alt job a tier or smth

[undone tide]

nah i love paladin

[jolly flume]

it really is stockholm

[undone tide]

what can i say

[jolly flume]

idk I was the same way with phys range for a while

then I played something else and now I'd sooner just not play

than hop on prange again

[undone tide]

i’m probably going to play some melee next tier

clear on tank

then reprog melee

it doesn’t really help that nobody else wants to play tank

i mean this has been easily the most fun tier to tank i’ve ever done

[jolly flume]

idk every time I pf on dps I just wish I was on support

bc pt doesnt fill

[undone tide]

m6s and 7s are peak

[undone tide]

yeah every time i play dps im like

why am i bored

and then i realize

no mechanics

[jolly flume]

like even fru I've been wishing I did h2 because they don't exist

[undone tide]

my main issue with paladin

is that every other tank player plays paladin

except every time i adjust to play a different tank

they never do it nearly as well as i would

i always hear shit like “good paladins are hard to find in pf”

[ember quartz]

yo u still interested in trying FT?

need 1 more body for an anyprog right now

[worn bluff]

i followed this for half of it then got tired and just winged it for the rest

[undone tide]

i don’t even have the coins to buy 2 ciphers

[undone tide]

honestly if you were to follow any of it follow p4

p4 is easily the most important phase to parse on

[worn bluff]

oh i didn’t care about parse i just wanted clear

[remote gate]

unfortunately the job performs well and is more fun than warrior so it's gonna be picked more

[worn bluff]

i even smuggled a blade of honor into intermission because i had trust issues with PF killing crystals in prog

[remote gate]

and drk is just warrior with ogcds

[undone tide]

this is weird because i always found p2 enrage to be deadlier than intermission

[worn bluff]

idk i guess my experience in PF parties rarely enraged P2 but had weird issues with intermission with killing crystals

i often got DNC partners that didn’t even know technical finish is an AoE around you

[storm frost]

Try these alternative 3rd party launchers.

For Windows and Steam

For Mac OS

For Linux

Please read all the documentation and guides for these launchers before requesting assistance.

Do note that these programs, like ACT, are technically against TOS. Treat them like Fight Club, and don't be rude while using them.

Please note no staff have tested the Mac, Linux and cross-platform

[shadow pilot]

Wrong chat my liege

[worn bluff]

did you mean to post this somewhere else

[versed kayak]

I can't tell if you're talking to ghosts or if my discord is not showing messages

[tulip anvil]

oops

[craggy marsh]

[undone tide]

teehee

that’s us!

[craggy marsh]

Paladin isn't hard at all but people fine ways to suck at it

You do legit nothing outside of burst

[undone tide]

most people are talking about mechanical skill and mitigation

i’ve heard specifically that paladins cant do mechanics

[craggy marsh]

O H

Yeah that's true

We paladins suck at mechanics

But in my defense im spoiled by Req getting a 30 yalm increase in DT

So anything lower than 100 is feelsbad

But mitigation paladins should have no excuse to be bad at it

We got one of the best mits in the game with dt

[undone tide]

press guardian become invincible

unironically would rather use guardian over hallowed

[craggy marsh]

Ya

[torn kindle]

Crazy that PLD basically has a free critlo attached to their 40% mit

[quick verge]

hi chat im new to endgame raiding! does warrior have good mitigation??

[worn bluff]

their mitigation is the friends they made along the way

because they need other people to help them with it

[tawdry delta]

best healing and best invuln but worst mit

[pale blade]

wack

[torn mesa]

worst invuln in DT

[undone tide]

i hate all warrior players

[jolly flume]

he's true

[tawdry delta]

i play war just so i can handle myself if others grief in df

[jolly flume]

the rate at which they suck is significantly higher than every other tank

[undone tide]

paladin is literally better at this

[torn mesa]

playing any non GNB tank

is big L

[jolly flume]

I can excuse pld

[undone tide]

i actually have a hard time playing warrior because i’m paying so little attention that i drop storms eye

[jolly flume]

drk and war are peeposleep

[tawdry delta]

only reason i play drk is cuz of the tea sword

[undone tide]

pld has more opti than people think

[torn mesa]

more than almost none is probably still not much

[jolly flume]

I mean I know the opti but like

needs more buttons to press

[undone tide]

even though there are 3 better drk ulti weapons

[torn mesa]

pre 6.3 PLD

was actually pretty cool

then they made goring blade a 60s CD, FoF work on everything

[jolly flume]

I still like playing pld bc wings fixes healer brain dmg on more than one occasion tho

and the personals are just insane

[undone tide]

mfw people are making it as difficult as possible for me to wings them and i still manage it

[jolly flume]

dsr is just paladin's fight

[undone tide]

dsr is a fight that makes you feel like the main character on tank

pld especially

popping wings during the DKT transition

popping wings for stardiver

taking cauterize

all of p7

[jolly flume]

pld singlehandedly fixes whm sge in dsr

it is forever the goat for that

[quick verge]

whm sge

🥀

pld always been goat

[undone tide]

when both of your healers can’t play the game

[jolly flume]

with pld you can't die to final chorus and sage doesn't have to holos p7 transition

[undone tide]

oh also

popping wings during gigaflare

is amazing

[jolly flume]

the thing is like

sage normally has to burn holos on transition bc it can't match spreadlo otherwise right

with pld you get to holos am1

which is legit like

the most damaging thing in the whole phase

if ur doing 611

[undone tide]

i think tankbusters should start killing you if you invuln

this is my hot tanking take

i despise invulns

[jolly flume]

idk I think invulns are kinda boring

it's more fun when you have to consider how to get best value out of mit

q40 was based af for that

like even fru p1 w the powder marks is a neat way of making people try a little harder

[undone tide]

only time i’ve liked invulns is m6s adds

because you get to choose when you don’t want to take damage instead of just put it in the square hole

[jolly flume]

I especially don't like when you can burn them to cheese mechs

cringe

[undone tide]

yea

i can’t think of the last prominent example

[jolly flume]

idk

ex3 ice

raining cats (not real mech tho)

fkn p3s

[quick verge]

if we're flaming invulns

we have to flame sch/ast

who can hypermit any mechanic since like

1950

it's basically cheese

[jolly flume]

big fan of that act 2 strat where you just go afk with overflow shields

[worn bluff]

GET BEHIND ME MLORD

🪽

[undone tide]

yo

hop on warframe

[dull drum]

whats your main frame

i'll judge you

[undone tide]

i literally just started playing

however i want to main mesa

[dull drum]

my main

[undone tide]

ofc the mch main

[dull drum]

yeppers

been playing it since like 2015?

[undone tide]

tbf tho cowgirl aesthetic goes hard

you just pop 4 and sit still

[dull drum]

shes just also insanely broken

shes been top of the tier lists for years

mesas basekit was mostly just 234, 1 ballistic battery is shit

when they introduced helminth

people just slapped pillage on her so now she armor strips + over shield + 50% dmg reduc + 4 delete

[dapper zealot]

omg

almost 4k hours and I finally met my first toxic curebot

[undone tide]

pulling myself up by my bootstraps

[tired egret]

God that healer is ass

But yeah... undergearing is a problem

[dapper zealot]

what's really funny is they kept alternating between physick and adlo

[tired egret]

I guess they thought "he got a shield on... that probably means I could just Physick away"

Which is stupid af

And Adlo Shield ain't THAT strong

[dapper zealot]

It was stone vigil too

[undone tide]

chat how do you level crafters nowadays

[dapper zealot]

we wiped 3 times

[tired egret]

Stone Vigil... OH FUCK

[dapper zealot]

the tank had to resort to single pulls

[tired egret]

Cosmic if you are subbed and done EW

If Free Trial: Levequests & Diadem

[worn bluff]

some jobs lower levels you can buy stuff to trade in for leves for fast leveling

but takes some market board shopping

[tired egret]

btw I absolutely don't like recommending Cosmic in most regards for starting crafting

and gathering

it's fine if you ignored it up to EW

but if not....

EEEEEEHHHHHHH

I'd just suggest Leves, Diadem, Allied Soc Quests and even Log Completion

[undone tide]

fuck i forgot how beautiful this weapon is

[tired egret]

and I still question why some weapons didn't take on the route of how Sage's FRU weap fx is done

one half white other black

[worn bluff]

the darker bits could at least be more prominent

[tired egret]

yeah

[pale blade]

I have unironically had this issue in my first static

[undone tide]

viper

[pale blade]

But that’s because they don’t take gearing as seriously as I did

[tired egret]

not just Viper tbh

Ninja, Dancer, Monk

those as well

[undone tide]

the fru weapons are the best set of any ulti

and yet they could still be better

[tired egret]

yeaa

[pale blade]

I always set them up with gear and melds; problem is that they never ask and by the time we continue to another floor they are still undergeared

[tired egret]

that sucks

well I really only encountered undergearing in dungeons...

mostly Stone Vigil

[undone tide]

this beaut

[tired egret]

and my only awful moment of undergearing was in like

Lost City of Amdapor, because the DRK had the wrong accessories

but that is not undergearing

rather just guy having the wrong gear parts in general

to which he then shittalked me after clear

[pale blade]

I always have baseline expectations of statics and somehow they manage to be below that

[torn kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-crit-role-cr-arsequeef-undeadwood-gif-15546127

Meanwhile every ff14 commission artist is like

[craggy marsh]

Honestly its really funny that holmgangs only value is "shorter CD"

[torn kindle]

I think SE should say fuck it and give Holmgang a Macrocosmos effect

Doesn’t make sense at all but it’d be funny to watch

But yeah Holm is very reliant on you or your healer/co-tank using buttons to not immediately die afterwards from a gentle breeze

[undone tide]

remember when people thought LD was bad

and now its easily the best invuln

[torn kindle]

I mean for a good while it wasn’t that great

And on release it had the hilarious unintentional “bug” that being at full HP didn’t clear the buff because you technically still had to heal that 1hp the game lets you keep

[craggy marsh]

Wonder if the next tank will be a true invuln or another "you can take damage but not die" one

[alpine plover]

When you die you get healed to full?

Actually that would be terrible nvm

Unless it's like on a duration of 10s and procs all the time within that timeframe

[shadow pilot]

That feels like too DRK already

[craggy marsh]

Kinda ye

[shadow pilot]

Maybe every damage you take now reduced to 1

[craggy marsh]

Honestly the next tank invuln could just work like hallowed and be fine

[shadow pilot]

[craggy marsh]

Doesn't need a gimmick

But knowing SE it'll have some weird effect

[trim frost]

needs flavor

maybe like hp drain or something could be moderately interesting

[craggy marsh]

Party wide invuln

Impossible but would be funny

[dapper zealot]

having a kit around hp drain would be cool

tho knowing ff14 at this point, there's probably some jank preventing it

[craggy marsh]

DRK staring at a job with hp drain skills

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-should-been-gif-23901254

[dapper zealot]

nah as in enemy hp drain

[craggy marsh]

Oh an invuln that does damage?

Based

[worn bluff]

reverse cover pick someone you don't like

meat shield BLU but for an actual tank

convert single target into raidwide damage

[torn kindle]

Me wiping the raid with a vuln-up buster because I’m bored

[craggy marsh]

Wiping the party bc you're bored is a valid reason tho

[torn kindle]

Me telling my friend to stand on me for a buster because map luck is ass

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1296956755301105749/1406871684576710738/IMG_9158.gif

[dapper zealot]

actually that would just literally be the same as self heals but worded differently

[amber fable]

Self heal is that

Self heal based job would be cool if it used hp for attacks

Maybe a pjob or field content archetype at most

Dont see it manifesting for your everyday content

[craggy marsh]

It would be cool but people would kill themselves too much i feel

[alpine plover]

mb...

[daring pine]

tithus!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-pet-cat-cat-pet-cute-cat-gif-24810247

[alpine plover]

marce!

[dapper zealot]

kibby

[alpine plover]

elysian!

[daring pine]

elysian!!!

[dapper zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/downstairs-cat-kitten-playing-black-cat-gif-15488484

[daring pine]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-gif-21801822

[craggy marsh]

Mango!

[dapper zealot]

mango check

[daring pine]

tithus i finally got to new prog point

!!!

[alpine plover]

woah!

[alpine plover]

tell tell

[daring pine]

i saw beckon moonlight

:D

so now i just need to cleanup and then i see p1 enrage

[alpine plover]

[daring pine]

although

[dapper zealot]

I was thinking that a skill where you'd absorb damage then release it back would be cool but then I realised that's just literally tbn

[daring pine]

tomestone says my prog point is terrestrial rage

the shadowchase bit

cuz boss was at like 33%

and when i got to beckon last night he was at 37

[shadow pilot]

37 at 2025 🥀

[daring pine]

there was a few dps deaths

actually

a lot of deaths wtf

[pale blade]

I diagnose them with skill issue

[daring pine]

oh wait party got confused during TR and exploded

then healer did lb3

idk how i forgot about that

[worn bluff]

evasion tank for field content

[jagged aspen]

thats the hardest part in pf, going from bacon to p2 can take ages 🙁

[jagged aspen]

Is there like a tool or anything for testing gcd plans? Kinda like the opener graphs on balance/whatever, I assume those are drawn by hand though? Would be cool to drag skills around and see a damage estimate

woah that might be a record

[loud nymph]

holy

[trim frost]

who was that one guy

blackmage compendium or whoever

[jagged aspen]

lpdu legend

[robust shoal]

balance mentors have a tool to make the opener infographics

though the big rotation ones afaik are usually done by hand (I have elected not to make a graphic of pressing 123 and one bloodspiller between bursts)

there's https://ffxivrotations.com and similar too

not the biggest fan of that one bc it doesn't differentiate ogcds though

[jagged aspen]

yea seems rather simple lol

[versed kayak]

most tools I've seen are just for planning a rotation, none did actual damage calculations

[jagged aspen]

i was thinking more like overlapping it with boss timeline so you can plan stuff around downtime

and it could double as a mit planner

i assume damage calculations are fully solved though?

[robust shoal]

people have their spreadsheets but they're mostly ad hoc/personal stuff, no big unified timeline+planner thing I know of

[jagged aspen]

some games can be quite tricky but xiv doesnt have too many variables, even if it doesnt show any numbers ingame

[robust shoal]

dmg calculations are fully known yeah

gear planner app uses fully simmed rotations for jobs that have them added

[jagged aspen]

yea i saw that

calculating damage for a specific order of skills would be even easier though

[robust shoal]

yeah, a lot of jobs have spreadsheets with running potency totals

but those are mostly just in the hands of mentors/helpfuls or speedrunners as personal things

I made a drk rotation spreadsheet that uses the dumbest hacky way to track mana lol

but tracking a 3-second timer against a 2.46/2.50-second timer is an annoying problem

[remote gate]

this is the samurai opener from my memory how did I do

not looking it up either

[versed kayak]

Gekko first for the damage buff

Senei after Tendo, Zanshin after the second gekko, then higanbana, then Ogi

You also forgot shoha so you're overcapping
And try to avoid Yukikaze under meikyo

I don't even recognise this button, the hell

apparently that's the icon the website uses for shoha, huh

[valid solar]

shoha used to be two buttons, im p sure thats the removed one

[remote gate]

i didnt recognize it either until I looked at the description lmao

[versed kayak]

hm, wiki has this https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Shoha_II

a mysterious third icon

[remote gate]

samurai icon iceberg

[versed kayak]

ah it was the aoe variant, like guren I guess

[remote gate]

shoha II iirc

literally a why button

[amber fable]

Aoe

[remote gate]

like why couldn't devs just have made shoha have cleaving damage in the first place and not need to create the animations, coding, balancing, etc for shoha ii

[amber fable]

Cuz se bulb didnt light up

[remote gate]

youre right my bad glory to square enix AI development and NFT investments

[versed kayak]

I like how it only existed for a single expansion

[jagged aspen]

Btw. Are back and flank attack areas exactly where the opening on the hitbox is? And are the positions snapshot at the moment of skill press?

[robust shoal]

yes to both

[remote gate]

if you can't hit the positional just pop true north

[jagged aspen]

ye but it runs out sometimes

on drg i dont think you can cover both positionals with one TN so that sucks

[random needle]

Just do the best you can, and be grateful missing positionals doesn't break combos anymore

[jagged aspen]

since thats 2x TN for a full rotation

[versed kayak]

well then you're either getting fucked a mechanic or the strat is bad

[jagged aspen]

gotta appreciate tanks that actually turn boss correctly

looper be like that sometimes xd

or panto

true north city

[versed kayak]

ye

in M4S I also sometimes ran out of TN during ion cluster, not much you can do

[jagged aspen]

is that the laser mech

[versed kayak]

ye the laser cannons

[jagged aspen]

surprised they didnt make her omni there

[versed kayak]

if you're infront you're kinda fucked, unless you want to uber greed but I'd rather not risk it

[robust shoal]

hell yeah greeding positionals

[jagged aspen]

i would guess for drg if im running out of TN i would cut the flank skill and just use it on 2x back skills

its like 40 potency every time?

[valid solar]

how would you do that without breaking your combo

Drg has an infinitely looping GCD, definitely do not use the wrong combo because you were out of position for the correct one

[loud nymph]

You'd be losing a lot more than 40 potency by intentionally doing the wrong combo action.

because landing the right combo action upgrades the 5th hit of your combo from 340 potency to 460

so even if you're stuck on the flank and have no TN, you should still do the rear positional

because otherwise you don't get Drakesbane

[jagged aspen]

i mean only tn on the two back skills, not breaking combo ofc

since the flank is too far apart so youre only getting 40 potency from a use

[loud nymph]

There's only the one flank skill anyway so yeah

just TN the two rear ones

[jagged aspen]

its xxBBx xxxFx

[loud nymph]

losing 40 potency vs losing 80

easy choice

[valid solar]

I think you're overthinking it, if your next gcd is a positional, and you have TN, use it, if you don't, just do the GCD without it

Obviously in terms of optimization you should plan ahead for TN but frankly there are like a dozen things to be optimized before that

There's a ton of people who don't use it at all, so you're already doing good just by hitting it when you need it

[jagged aspen]

you also have twice the chance of "accidentally" landing a flank, i assume?

i mean specifically for long segments where you have no control over your position, might as well get more out of it

or flank is only 45 degrees on either side

[versed kayak]

it's 90 on each side

!faq positional

[storm frost]

Visual Example of Positional and Non-Positional Target Rings

Image URL: https://imgur.com/ANOqtwM.png

[loud nymph]

The other thing is you don't have to be outside the ring to hit the positional, if you're forced away from the rear you can still hit a rear positional

[amber fable]

You can stand at interface of flank and rear and just face camera into flank and rear

For positional

It works

[versed kayak]

huh

[dapper zealot]

If you're forced away, how would you even hit it?

[loud nymph]

By being all the way inside the hitbox

Forced away from the rear of the boss, not forced away from the boss

[versed kayak]

tbh if you're at the rear inside the hitbox I wouldn't consider it being forced away

[loud nymph]

Probably not, but most people tend to default to being on the outside of the boss ring

It's the sort of thing that is obvious in retrospect but it kind of blew my mind when I was first learning

[undone tide]

first paycheck

now is when i actually start making money

[jolly flume]

ff14 wage slaving 🥀

[undone tide]

my crafters are already all 63

so theoretically

shouldn’t be too hard from here

[torn mesa]

does he know

[jagged aspen]

you're 63% of the way there

[dreamy whale]

Whats the plogon that yells at you to do mechanics

Its like “spread. Spread. Spread.”

[jolly flume]

a shotcaller

we do not condone the usage of cactbot here

[dreamy whale]

can I learn to do fights without a shotcaller

[torn mesa]

@jolly flume does he look poor to you

[jolly flume]

dude I'd take 500k

I'm out here grasping at straws for gil I only have 19m

[dreamy whale]

I will give you a secret

Sell Varnish and Cobalt Ore

[jolly flume]

people who can't do fights without callouts are bots

[dreamy whale]

Price it one gil below the least expensive one

[loud nymph]

absolutely

[dreamy whale]

I am a bot

[loud nymph]

you just have to use your eyeballs

and your ears, sometimes

and your brain

[dreamy whale]

I went into P1N

Died 4 times

[loud nymph]

I mean

Did you use your eyeballs

[torn mesa]

I was going to say

now you know how I feel looking at you

if you say 500k was poor

[dreamy whale]

I used my eyeballs on my rotation

[torn mesa]

[vapid path]

It gets easier once you get your rotation down

[loud nymph]

well, there's your problem

you were looking at your hotkeys instead of the boss

[dreamy whale]

rest of the game being easy has ruined me

I set up my entire hud in such a way that I never have to stop looking at my hotbar

[loud nymph]

I have bad news for you

[torn mesa]

guys, now we confirmed the answer to the question: "how are some endgame players this bad"

[loud nymph]

P1N is easy

[valid solar]

you should be aware even endwalker normal content is a cakewalk compared to what you're gonna experience in DT

[dreamy whale]

[loud nymph]

boss is charging up a gigantic chain on his left side

GEE I WONDER WHAT SIDE HES GOING TO CLEAVE

[jolly flume]

[dreamy whale]

Im gonna go into P1N with warrior and see if im actually cooked or if it was me playing pld

[valid solar]

ill give you a tip

[jolly flume]

I mean, same

[valid solar]

if you learn the mechanics well enough you can tell whats going to happen with a few glances

[jolly flume]

but you still can't look at your hotbar ALL the time

[valid solar]

you can stare at your hotbar 23/7

[torn mesa]

I mean

just compare doing mechanics to driving

and looking at hotbar to looking at speedometer

[dreamy whale]

I don’t have my license

[valid solar]

this guy lives in the US and cant drive

how do you live

[dreamy whale]

I walk

[jolly flume]

you've seen my hud it's literally designed for the purpose of being able to look at it with minimal effort to look back at the fight

looking left and right is less effort than looking up and down, that's why mine is off to the side rather than at the bottom

and if I had an eye tracker I can guarantee you I'd be looking at my hotbar like

probably 50% of the time min

[dreamy whale]

My dad doesnt have his license so I never had a car to practice in so I never got my license

[torn mesa]

[jolly flume]

holy chills

[valid solar]

mb

[torn mesa]

dude

I thought it was 1 kill

[valid solar]

I was trolled 17 times trust me bro

[torn mesa]

17 best

I had to double check

[daring pine]

i’m shaking

terrified rn

[torn mesa]

guess the job/race combination

you'll never get it

[daring pine]

malera

[jolly flume]

catboy

[zealous meteor]

malera dark knight

[torn mesa]

malera DRK

shocker I know right

[jolly flume]

lol.

[daring pine]

loll

[valid solar]

check your mailbox first thing in the morning tomorrow

[daring pine]

i was gonna guess vpr

[jolly flume]

I just hate catboys

[daring pine]

bungo wish me luck tonight

[torn mesa]

BTW

that picture

[daring pine]

moonlight to enrage/p2 gg

[torn mesa]

is not from an ultimate

[remote gate]

by hydaelyn you will see p2

[torn mesa]

it's from unreal

[jolly flume]

I mean no way its from an ultimate right

[torn mesa]

yeah cause if it was, you guys would guess WHM

immediately

for the job

[jolly flume]

like surely they would never have gotten 17 kills with logs like that

I would kick on sight

[dreamy whale]

Am i supposed to be looking around the outside of the arena like spinning my camera around

[torn mesa]

but you guys are so smart

guessing malera right away

[jolly flume]

I mean is there anything on the outside of the arena to be looking at lol

there isn't 99% of the time

[dreamy whale]

Sometimes

Its the 1% of the time that cooks my shit

[jolly flume]

every mechanic has its tells, you should know what the tells are and if it involves looking outside of the arena

if it's a normal raid and you just didnt know the tells were there gg go next, who cares

theres only so much you can do about shit you didn't know existed

[dreamy whale]

i need to learn the fights so im not cooked when i get to endgame

[jolly flume]

why would any fight you learn now have any impact on raiding in endgame

[dreamy whale]

Transferrable experience I suppose

[jolly flume]

the only thing transferable is fundamentals for the most part but like

knowing that midgardsormr doing 2 flips is a plus aoe is not going to help you in arcadion savage

[remote gate]

^

[dreamy whale]

Fair

Does anything in current make me do a stupid ass obstacle course

[remote gate]

no

well

[dreamy whale]

Amazing

[remote gate]

does fall guys count

as content

[dreamy whale]

No

[remote gate]

alright then no

[dreamy whale]

I already got the mount so im not touching it again

[remote gate]

actual dogshit

[dreamy whale]

Ong

But yea so

Balance beams are ass and should never be a mechanic

[jolly flume]

just learn the common mechanic tells and get good at pushing buttons and thats all thats worth doing

[remote gate]

this reminds me for meteors in p2 of dsr are they basically meteors you need to place in the right spot so they dont wipe the party

[torn mesa]

if you put them too close

you wipe

[remote gate]

you dont need to stand behind them for any line of sight nonsense right

[torn mesa]

you can stand behind them to resist the knockback from the boss at the end of the mechanic

(no)

[jolly flume]

lol imagine

[remote gate]

neat I dont see why ppl wipe at them it's not some bullshit like EW EX7 or DT EX3

[torn mesa]

part of why I keep saying that Chiyo

[jolly flume]

[torn mesa]

is cause anytime we talk about Sanctity

we reference how SE says they won't make KBI a requirement

[remote gate]

incredible

[jolly flume]

I mean there's that no kbi strat people started doing recently

I think it's pretty neat

iirc it solves the cursed pattern too

but strat inertia

[torn mesa]

how do outer people do it without KBI

[jolly flume]

lemme see if I can dig up the clip

[torn mesa]

cursed movement with DNC/NIN notwithstanding

[dreamy whale]

Does height make a return in anything past Alexander

[jolly flume]

https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxx4qEwQGnko8Eo6ang259MNPyRqg0u4r6

[torn mesa]

yo

that's cool AF

[jolly flume]

yuh

my friend is the pov hes a fkn strat crackhead

[quick verge]

this is the strat sqex envisioned

[jolly flume]

and it even solves cursed without needing to flex to e/w meteors

bc you now have inner space

honestly sick

[valid solar]

wait holy shit

thats fucking rad

[random needle]

What in Hydaelyn's name

[valid solar]

leaving e/w open is genius

[dreamy whale]

im not too dumb to raid i just got used to everything being piss easy and not needing to look at shit so i just need to stop doing that

[tulip anvil]

what does the C100+ mean

ive never seen that terminology at all

[dreamy whale]

Ummm

Maybe they want you to have cleared 100+ times

[random needle]

c4100

[boreal pumice]

thats alotta clears

[sly basin]

for all the uncs in here

[rapid whale]

Ty

[dreamy whale]

Ty

[random needle]

https://tenor.com/view/silver-the-hedgehog-sonic-2006-gif-14720385825887962170

[dreamy whale]

I tried going into barbariccia with summoner

[wicked delta]

The fuck no you’re not

[dreamy whale]

Yeah i am im old

[wicked delta]

How old

[dreamy whale]

22

[wicked delta]

Bitch

😭

[dreamy whale]

My knees hurt

[wicked delta]

So do mine but im not unc

[dreamy whale]

I was able to see the tells and i only got hit by aoes a couple times and i only drifted a couple things

[rapid whale]

Yes summoner is the kinda job you can play within like 5 minutes

[zealous meteor]

yeah you're baby

[wicked delta]

Im not hearing shit from a lalafell player

[rapid whale]

Mb

[zealous meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-kill-you-ill-fucking-kill-you-gif-10532113743352507704

[versed kayak]

maybe they cleared 100 times+ and are pointing out that its a alt incase someone checks the logs and sees nothing

only thing I could see making sense with the alt thing

[dreamy whale]

will I be looked down on if I wanna play smn

[versed kayak]

no why

[dreamy whale]

Cause its easy

I wanna play it bc I like the job fantasy

[craggy marsh]

We have people in this chat who play phys ranged so you playing smn is fine

[jolly flume]

LET ME GAMBLEEEEEEEEE

[versed kayak]

damn, tf are you saving for

[jolly flume]

phro and dupes

didn't get her on her initial run

[versed kayak]

ah I see

[rapid whale]

People will joke about jobs like whm smn and war but most sane people don't actually care

[dreamy whale]

Oh ok

[rapid whale]

That being said, the idea is that you have to perform better on a weaker job

Especially if it's easier

[dreamy whale]

So basically i have to git gud

[loud nymph]

nobody cares if you're not a w1 gamer

[dreamy whale]

Whats W1

[loud nymph]

and if you are a w1 gamer you probably already know enough to not pick SMN

week 1 savage clears

[dreamy whale]

Oh

so dont pick smn after i get good enough to do W1

[rapid whale]

It's like, using random numbers, let's say you have to reach 100 points. If a jobs point potential is 150, you only have to perform around 66% of maximum capacity to pass but if the jobs point potential is 120, you havo perform at like 80ish%

To still pass

[boreal pumice]

chiyo is top 2 mchs for w1

[loud nymph]

no it's more "by the time you're in a w1 group you'll understand why people don't pick SMN for it"

[rapid whale]

2 out of 2 lmao

[jolly flume]

my expectation personally for a w1 group is that you are both competent enough and willing to flex jobs to something more meta if the situation calls for it

[dreamy whale]

Oh

[jolly flume]

smn would get a sideeye from me

[dreamy whale]

Is it bc it does less damage than the other casters

[jolly flume]

it has no advantage

[rapid whale]

I'd make the argument anyone applying for srs w1 group as hard lock summoner might not have any business applying

[jolly flume]

all the others do better damage, red mage raises better

[loud nymph]

there's no reason to play SMN in that environment when everything else in that role is better at something

[rapid whale]

Yeah when rdm does more DMG and raises better it's like whm vs astro all over again

[jolly flume]

can it clear? yeah, but if we're trying to get something done in a limited time frame I'm going to expect that we take advantages where we can

it's like going in without melds or something

[loud nymph]

RDM has verraise and another defensive
PCT has better damage and another defensive
BLM has better damage

[dreamy whale]

so im going to assume the aoe regen from phoenix isnt enough to push it over the edge

[loud nymph]

fuck no

[jolly flume]

all that said though I don't particularly think there's a reason for you to care what you play yet

[loud nymph]

it's a single fairly low potency regen once every like 3 minutes

[jolly flume]

just build your fundamentals and they transfer across every job

I have never been a tank or melee player and I can comfortably purple them off rolling my gcd alone

[rapid whale]

some jobs have mini games but i would say most jobs are like 80% the same

maybe a bit high but yea

[jolly flume]

roll your gcd
don't overwrite/overcap
don't break combos

gets you 90% of the way on like any job

[zealous meteor]

to be fair that's more because the average is so bad that doing the bare minimum will get you a decent parse

[rapid whale]

It's me the so bad

[dreamy whale]

Ik i don’t really have to worry about what im playing rn but

I feel like its a good time to start thinking about it bc I do want to get to that point eventually

So developing my fundamentals while learning a job that will see playtime would be beneficial

[wicked delta]

its time to make a new femra

what face should i go for

[jolly flume]

that is the case yes

[dreamy whale]

4

[rapid whale]

Is this your 67th alt

[boreal pumice]

think of driving a car knowing the basics is always best to know

[wicked delta]

yeah

[jolly flume]

but that also just serves to demonstrate the point that fundamentals are the only thing you really need to worry about in this game

[wicked delta]

im bored

[jolly flume]

and most people fail at even just that

[rapid whale]

Mb

[dreamy whale]

So to that end

I will be dedicating the next month to grinding the shit out of ninja

[jolly flume]

do whatever makes you happy

just roll your gcds and don't overcap cds or gauge

and no dps check in this game will ever be real

I showed bapple and toby yesterday what it took to almost enrage fru p5

it was beyond horrendous

[boreal pumice]

can a class get its own parse as well?

[dull drum]

no lol

[loud nymph]

also don't die

[dull drum]

healers already heal enough

[trim frost]

bro can you stop pruning the linkshell while i'm trying to aura farm

[dull drum]

melees have second wind + bloodbath

[boreal pumice]

blood bath on nin is just half their moves dont work with it

[jolly flume]

https://medal.tv/games/ff-xiv-online/clips/lxMpZY5sZnW4zY9d-

[dull drum]

dancer can help heal in downtime, bard has minuet

[jolly flume]

we had like 4 single digit grey parsers + a death in p5

[loud nymph]

bloodbath on NIN is absolutely fucking garbage

[jolly flume]

all that to still kill the boss

[dreamy whale]

Its ok we have shade shift

[dull drum]

not wrong

[jolly flume]

shade shift is cool but you're gapped by mnk and sam I fear

[loud nymph]

for whatever reason bloodbath only heals physical damage

sqex please address

[daring pine]

Surprised they haven’t tweaked that yet

[boreal pumice]

i remeber hearing ppl used to beg bard to use esuna in savage to help some healers i want to say e8?

[dull drum]

i used it in FRU

[boreal pumice]

on self or others

[rapid whale]

there was a cleanse in fru?

[jolly flume]

quad slap

if you don't invuln it

[rapid whale]

oic

[jolly flume]

double invuln p1 is honestly quite reasonable but pf healers cannot be asked to put in 1 non dmg gcd so

it is what it is

[loud nymph]

we had a BRD when I was doing fru but the MT always had to invul because the BRD was actually garbage

[dull drum]

our group it was totally unnecessary

[loud nymph]

casual ultimate groups

[dull drum]

but i was so bored i just put it on tank early anyway

[loud nymph]

don't do it

[dull drum]

cause downtime

i need something to do

[limpid edge]

we getting another male bun for heavyweight? We just got one

i wouldve preffered a fembun there

[jolly flume]

the bard cleanse is pretty based sometimes though

[limpid edge]

i like the fem elezen tho

not sure bout the highlander, unless he's some brutebomber 3.0

[dull drum]

its convenient cause unlike esuna which you have to do right away the bard cleanse you can just slap on early

[jolly flume]

that and it makes your healers unreasonably happy

[zealous meteor]

BY THE TWELVE, IT'S THE BRUTE BOMBER WITH A STEEL CHAIR!

[jolly flume]

the brute bomber needs to lock in

he's already cost his healers 4800mp

[dreamy whale]

Is there a way to disable cooldowns to practice rotations

[jolly flume]

hop in diamond weapon ex

and just jump off every time you want to reset cds

[rapid whale]

unlock stone sky sea

each time you re enterit, it unlocks cooldowns

[boreal pumice]

far as im aware we are getting fem elezen , male elezen (cody rhodes) , blond highlander with the weird haircut and likely who ever the president is

[dreamy whale]

Where do i even enter that

I have it but

[rapid whale]

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Stone,_Sky,_Sea

you have to unlock the first one in order for the quest of the others to pop up

so idyllshire

if you already have it, pick the one for the level of the rotation you're trying to practice n then go

[loud nymph]

just be aware that SSS is fucking garbage for determining whether you're doing things right

[dull drum]

stone sky sea is for the poor, the rich just hit their dummy in the yard

thoughts

[loud nymph]

it's fine for practicing just don't take passing it (or not) seriously

[dreamy whale]

I have a dummy but im like

[boreal pumice]

sadly your on like ps5 otherwise we could give you dragoon may cry

[dreamy whale]

I dont wanna wait 2 minutes if i fuck up the rotation

[rapid whale]

Yes it's just useful because it resets all your cooldowns

[jolly flume]

just unlock

diamond weapon

takes 5 minutes

and it's by far the fastest way to reset

[trim frost]

im too broke to have a dummy of my own so i just use my neighbor's

[rapid whale]

Wait what's the tech on diamond

[jolly flume]

it's a floating arena

[rapid whale]

Valcors has a house?

[jolly flume]

you literally just jump off

[rapid whale]

Oic

[boreal pumice]

ah do rotation die repeat

[rapid whale]

I guess I thought it'd die before the high level rotation finished

[jolly flume]

only caveat is

gotta be at higher levels

but if you are it's faster

man i'm boredge

what do tonight

[zealous meteor]

splatoon

[jolly flume]

cheating at ff14 with aoe overlays? noted

[zealous meteor]

NO

the shooter

[jolly flume]

xd

[versed kayak]

gonna need a few more expacs for that

sam at 740 left it at more than 80%

[zealous meteor]

waff?

[dreamy whale]

People like having ninja cause of the raid buffs right

[craggy marsh]

help me and shiggy prog tea

[rapid whale]

living liquid hell

[craggy marsh]

yerp

[jolly flume]

ermmmmm

when

[rapid whale]

make adrian go

they love tea

[craggy marsh]

Woe Jagd Dolls be upon yee

[jolly flume]

nothing new to me

[craggy marsh]

6pm est

[boreal pumice]

has shiggy learned playstation buttons and chains

[craggy marsh]

need a healer

[dreamy whale]

Fake fan jagd dolls are A4S

[jolly flume]

i'd only have an hour

[craggy marsh]

a pure healer

[dreamy whale]

Oh wait tea

[craggy marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-gif-23330393

[dreamy whale]

[rapid whale]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-back-to-work-spongebob-get-back-to-work-krusty-krab-gif-16474125980856176144

[jolly flume]

if that's ok i can spawn ig

but my friend wanted dsr help at 7

[craggy marsh]

Oh then no worries buddy boy friend pal

[rapid whale]

is it the listing on pf

[dreamy whale]

i have to go to work in 5 minutes thats not enough time to go through sapphire

[rapid whale]

o i thought you were abt to be like

[jolly flume]

[rapid whale]

can i go tea lmao

[dreamy whale]

No lmao

[boreal pumice]

can i go tea

[rapid whale]

idk ask mango and shiggy

[dreamy whale]

Im not doing any savages or extremes until I’m confident in my rotation

[rapid whale]

i mean

you stepped into ultimate already how bad could savage or extreme be

smile

[dreamy whale]

“Hey guys dont mind me if I drop my opener and drift my raid buffs im learning ninja”

[jolly flume]

you should really just figure out the basics then go raid ngl

knowing your rotation on a dummy doesn't mean shit the instant you actually have other mental load

[dreamy whale]

Well yeah

[jolly flume]

you need to practice in a situation where you have other things to think about

[dreamy whale]

Im gonna be taking it into dungeons before raiding

[rapid whale]

1 thing i recommend while still on your dummy arc is to do laps around it while doing your rotation

[jolly flume]

just do normal raids until you can do some semblance of not dogshit then send it

it's really that simple

[rapid whale]

positionals r a thing and what have you but you wanna be able to like, do your burst while moving since a lot of mechanics will ask that of you

[low hearth]

m5s is kinda free rn…

[dreamy whale]

[loud nymph]

it kinda always was

unless your pf was dogshit and couldn't do arcady night fever

[zealous meteor]

or unless you're me

(help)

[loud nymph]

(helps u by throwing you into more endgame content)

[zealous meteor]

AAAAAAAA

yeah i'll make a fresh m5s party that will go well in week 5 billion

[loud nymph]

fr though the way you get better at endgame content is by doing endgame content

[zealous meteor]

i know

[rapid whale]

yeap

[loud nymph]

just get to the point where you can do the basics

then jump in

[rapid whale]

if you can set your expectations low by having horrible m5s experience, surely on patch savage raiding will seem like heaven instead and you'll be more motivated right?? right??

[loud nymph]

you'll probably troll and drift shit and fuck up a lot at first

we all did

some of us (me) still do

[rapid whale]

you too twin?

[loud nymph]

but you get better

[zealous meteor]

gonna make a 200% hotbar containing chain stratagem and put it in the middle of myscreen

[jolly flume]

my first ucob log is archived now

but it was quite sus

[rapid whale]

does that mean you're old

[jolly flume]

in hindsight

it's just >2 years old

[torn mesa]

in FFXIV playtime terms, you're now an adult

[zealous meteor]

unironically i think this might help

[dreamy whale]

wait yo wtf im getting this plogon when my steam deck gets here

[zealous meteor]

which one

[jolly flume]

I mean that's like

kinda what I do

[dreamy whale]

Dragoon may cry

[zealous meteor]

why is the dragoon crying

[boreal pumice]

yh its based off devil may cry

[dull drum]

honest to god just take the job into unreal for rotation practice

[jolly flume]

https://medal.tv/games/ff-xiv-online/clips/lxLXXEAUS57aaEFBw

[dull drum]

even if seiryu is slop

[jolly flume]

big chain, big aetherflow, big recite, big LD

makes them hard to miss

[boreal pumice]

i remeber chiyo had to boost a drg fresh out of ew on byakko

[dull drum]

its time to start recruiting for our week 2/3 group

only condition is they cant be reaper

[jolly flume]

gl don't get cancer

[loud nymph]

I need to start recruiting for my giga casual group

[dull drum]

i just need a melee it wont be that bad

[loud nymph]

gonna be fun

[dreamy whale]

💀

[dull drum]

our old sam quit ffxiv mid TOP

said fight was too hard

but does criterion savage so uh

[jolly flume]

rokkon svg > top

[torn mesa]

why can't

[jolly flume]

no cap

[torn mesa]

they be

RPR

[low hearth]

Lowkey

[dull drum]

my static hates reapers

[rapid whale]

wahoo im no longer a sprout

[dull drum]

idk why

[loud nymph]

based

[jolly flume]

virgin top p6 squares vs moko the restless water exas

[boreal pumice]

they tend to forget DD missing free dmg thats why i dislike them

[dull drum]

im on tank this tier so gl with the poor rando we recruit

2 of us are on new roles

[rapid whale]

its just savage how hard could it possibly be

[torn mesa]

why

[zealous meteor]

sorry

[rapid whale]

cuz i have to be the edgiest in the room or else my ego gets hurt

[low hearth]

Those criterion dungeons are actually hard asf

[dreamy whale]

I just have an issue where I tell myself I can’t do specific things

[torn mesa]

[rapid whale]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-spongebob-imagination-gif-13181381072145564210

[loud nymph]

isn't it grand

seriously though

if some of the Creatures™ I've encountered can do savage

so can you

[low hearth]

That might be bad

[zealous meteor]

yeah

[rapid whale]

https://tenor.com/view/just-a-little-bit-curtis-james-jackson-iii-50cent-just-a-lil-bit-tiny-bit-gif-17901415

[loud nymph]

about 10% worse than it should have been

maffs

[zealous meteor]

yeah

it's only 10% so i don't see the problem /s

[undone tide]

is there any reason to do arkveld ex

[loud nymph]

cart mount

[zealous meteor]

listen man i get it

but you're in the way of my gummies

[sick dirge]

the children yearn for the cart mount

[zealous meteor]

no your typo was right

they yawn for it

[sick dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/бонк-доге-gif-122068642611502956

[undone tide]

why does gark ex have fucking exawaves

[zealous meteor]

i love this guy

[zealous meteor]

why not

[sick dirge]

why are you fell cleaving a naked namazu

[undone tide]

and exalines

bruh what is this fight

[zealous meteor]

because he goes groyble

[dreamy whale]

I also was told I was a gifted child in elementary school and I got burnt out when things started getting tough so if I dont learn things immediately im like “this shit is too hard for me” and I have to force myself to keep trying to learn it

[loud nymph]

what the fuck is gark

[undone tide]

guardian arkveld

[rapid whale]

how does the saying go, bear the weight of discipline or suffer the sting of regret or what have you

the reasons dont matter only the solutions and other life advice from an unc

[loud nymph]

garkfield

[dreamy whale]

Yeah I’ve been trying to stick with ninja bc its fun its just hard getting used to the gcd speed

[undone tide]

just be me and be good at every subject in school so you never try and just pursue music because its the only thing that challenges you and now you are doomed to a life of not making any money

[whole estuary]

referencing his full title like he didn't spend 10 years for an elder dragon degree to be called Mr. Arkveld

[undone tide]

dr arkveld

[whole estuary]

GUARDIAN Arkveld

[zealous meteor]

dr arkveld phd

[undone tide]

i forget how many arkveld i’ve actually killed in wilds

i haven’t played since TU1

smoge

it’s upwards of like 75

because i’d just solo it on every weapon for fun

[dreamy whale]

I have killed 2

Once in story

Once not in story

And then I quit the game bc i hated the way hunting horn handled

MHWorld hunting horn is still the only one I like

[rain geode]

Weak

[undone tide]

everybody has that one monster they do unspeakable things to

i have 100 rey dau kills

[whole estuary]

ah yes, the good ol' Metsu Shoryugeki practice target

[undone tide]

no, he was my Full Release Slash dummy

[jolly flume]

was probably just arkveld for me, he feels made for greatsword

[whole estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/sunhilegend-monster-hunter-wilds-arkveld-great-sword-gif-11707530774510727642

[ember quartz]

greatsword players know this happens 1 in 1000

othewise playing greatsword feels like "mi bombo" tiktok

[whole estuary]

they wouldn't know without 3rd party tools telling them exactly when a part is about to break

otherwise it's "but that would have done a billion damage if it hit tho" gameplay

[jolly flume]

landing the offset on the chain slam is like maybe one of the most satisfying things I've ever done in a video game

[jade nimbus]

mhm, nah

offset is pretty easy in mh wilds

[ember quartz]

oh i dont play wilds only world and started rise

sorry

[jade nimbus]

ye, nw

offset is of the new things about mh wilds

[ember quartz]

so no more greatswords missing raging brachy tail by a cm?

[jade nimbus]

some attacks have the propriety where if they clash with a monster attack, it triggers that animation and a follow up attack

also gs is more forgiving in wilds, but still something you gotta master

[ember quartz]

maybe when wilds dlc releases ill understand

gotta stick to cone bait in fatty in the meanwhile

[jolly flume]

focus mode baby

you just aim wherever you want now

even mid swing

[ember quartz]

cring

👴 back in my day we missed the animation in alatreon and then got flung away by a thunder

[dreamy whale]

I forgor do we have a date for savage tier drop

[whole estuary]

January 6th

notably after the holidays

[dreamy whale]

Okok ty

I need to put in for time off so

[undone tide]

mh wilds is unfortunately mid

i was hoping for better

capcom dropped the ball

[craggy marsh]

Idk to me the combat feels great

[undone tide]

the combat is great

but there’s no content

[jolly flume]

waiter waiter more arkveldslop

[craggy marsh]

World and Rise had similar problems

[jolly flume]

I could fight that mf all day

[craggy marsh]

Base MH games always have poor endgame

[undone tide]

generations

[ember quartz]

i hate the golden monke but goldeen monke good for the game

[craggy marsh]

Generations is an exception bc that was a love letter game

Generations has 95% of the monsters

So of course it's gonna be beefy

[undone tide]

i miss GU

some day capcom will make the right choice and remake a classic

preferably 4U

i wonder what the handheld team is cooking rn

[craggy marsh]

Thing I hate about the Wilds arguments is people don't like comparing Base Wilds with Base World

Base World has similar content problems but nostalgia blinds people

[torn kindle]

The sadness known as Base Rise endgame

I think it only got 2 TUs before the wait for sunbreak started

[undone tide]

base rise was garbage

i actually really want to go back to play more sunrise

sunbreak*

sunbreak had a huge glowup

[torn kindle]

Also got like 7 or 8 TUs

Very beefy game