I don't have my crafters up
#endgame-lounge
rain geode
zealous meteor
sell the mats
dapper zealot
I don't have my crafters up
Well start working
remote gate
Provoke 
Shirk Do you have it?
zealous meteor
anyway, if you want 750 gear just get augmented ceremonial with gil and helio
loud nymph
yes they do
zealous meteor
cool
remote gate
whats easy ways to get a ton of money because getting crafters and gatherers put together has been expensive af
loud nymph
run maps and get very very very lucky
run eureka and get very very very lucky
run chaotic
remote gate
im assuming lucky bunny is what gives the good amount of cash in eureka
loud nymph
mostly for getting rare minions/mounts like copycat bulb or eldthurs horn
or getting blitzring
or cassie earring
etc
torn kindle
Farming fragments can be very good money both in eureka and bozja
zealous meteor
i made 2 mil off a furniture item from khloe's silver shop
torn kindle
Also there’s doing Pilgrim’s and getting very lucky
rain geode
Well start working
I'm working on it it's so boring tho
torn kindle
Can also join mercenary parties for the Gil reward
dull drum
whats easy ways to get a ton of money because getting crafters and gatherers put...
unreal
its basically a weekly and after a bit you can sell a mount for like 6 mil
0 effort
loud nymph
unreal definitely good just get your 0 effort clears in while you can
tsukuyomi is gonna be a lot harder in pf 
loud nymph
the year is 2017, you are wiping to meteors in tsukuyomi ex
the year is 2021, you are wiping to meteors in tsukuyomi ex unsynced
the year is 2025, you are wiping to meteors in tsukuyomi unreal
loud nymph
dapper zealot
you can sell tome mats for money
rain geode
I've been doing unreals for the lols glad to hear they will eventually make me money
loud nymph
I've been doing unreals for the lols glad to hear they will eventually make me m...
it's pretty slow money but it does come in eventually
rain geode
Doing two exs a week isn't exactly a huge time commitment either tho people have been making it sound like the next unreal might take a bit more
loud nymph
yeah for seiryu it's literally like 20 minutes a week
zealous meteor
my tell this week took three tries 
retell was one pull though
loud nymph
like how do you wipe that fight
"oops I forgot to taunt during the tankbuster"
dull drum
its funny how suzaku ex is ironically much harder
torn kindle
Doing two exs a week isn't exactly a huge time commitment either tho people have...
Hardest part about Tsukuyomi is probably your group placing the meteors right
Because god forbid the melee DPS disengage from the boss to put a meteor north/south
loud nymph
melee DPS: take two GCDs of downtime or wipe the raid
"oh boy here I go wiping the raid again"
rain geode
"oops I forgot to taunt during the tankbuster"
Happens a lot more then I think it should
rain geode
Seems to happens a lot less when I play tank tho strangely
torn kindle
SE needs to hate melee jobs more
“Yes, you do in fact need to disengage from the boss to not wipe, deal with it”
zealous meteor
over halfway done with my gummies now
loud nymph
“Yes, you do in fact need to disengage from the boss to not wipe, deal with it”
they said they were doing this in 7.2
then they buffed the melees
and turns out cruiserweight really didn't have that much downtime
so why did you buff the melees square enix
loud nymph
assuming you mean m6s but yeah it's full uptime except for the wingmarks
torn kindle
I hate these letters
loud nymph
and I guess maybe if you got bomb during cactus
zealous meteor
I hate these letters
the M stands for Marcadion
torn kindle
I guess the bomb mechanic DOES fit the wish I have
But you gotta give more DPS bombs
loud nymph
the M stands for Marcadion
square enix has the opportunity to do the funniest thing with the 8.0 raid series
torn kindle
I wonder what the hell people are gonna do when they release a raid series where we can’t just use the first letter
We almost had that happen this expansion but then they titled each duty as a match
Almost a universe where we would’ve called these fights ARC#
loud nymph
I still say arcadion should have been R instead of M
versed kayak
I wonder what the hell people are gonna do when they release a raid series where...
something to worry about once we get there, if we don't EoS before then
worst case we just give it arbitrary letters that are left
rain geode
I wonder what the hell people are gonna do when they release a raid series where...
You just do 2 letters
torn kindle
“Why are we labelling the Four Lords Remake Raid Series as X#?”
“ran out of letters”
“Have you guys tried using more than one for a name”
“Last time we tried that we sacrificed a streamer”
versed kayak
just need SE to cooperate and give the series names that don't use existing letters
rain geode
Um what do you mean we sacrificed a streamer
torn kindle
Next raid series is entirely formatted in WingDings
torn kindle
Um what do you mean we sacrificed a streamer
Yeah they got him
He was kinda cool too
rain geode
Yeah they got him
versed kayak
we can also just start using greek letters even if it'll be a little hard to type
or slap accents on them, À6S instead of M6S, it surely won't cause confusion
proper cave
Memes for the sigma floors are going to be extra stupid
zealous meteor
we can also just start using greek letters even if it'll be a little hard to typ...
i propose Ω for the next raid series
dreamy whale
Can I set up my party list in advance
versed kayak
You can change the default order based on the jobs
dreamy whale
Like tank at the top instead of me
versed kayak
but if you're in a CW party, no I don't think so
zealous meteor
...i don't think you'll ever be a slot other than 1?
torn kindle
You’ll have to manually adjust the party list or use macros for changing who’s at #1
(Trying to find that macro for moving party list slots)
You can do something like
/psort 1 2
/psort 2 3
/psort 3 4
And so on until you’re at the spot you want to be at
dreamy whale
Does sch have ogcd healing other than lustrate and indom at 60
versed kayak
probably your fairy regen
torn kindle
Whispering Dawn if that counts
dreamy whale
Forgot faerie spells
Should i be using lustrate over adlo if i have extra stacks of aethercharge
rain geode
Generally speaking you should prioritize oGCD heals over GCD heals
rain geode
somebody drop the healer meme
I feel like there's more then 1
rapid whale
the "i gcd heal everything" on the ends with the omg if i dont optimize etcetc in the middle
this one
the one i was thinking of was more refined tho with like xiv stuff on all the characters
rapid whale
there it is lmao
dreamy whale
Whats the one on the left
zealous meteor
astro
rain geode
Do they have a super fast and strict burst?
craggy marsh
We almost had that happen this expansion but then they titled each duty as a mat...
R vs M was really funny
sick dirge
they have a lot of weaving to do but idk about a fast and strict burst
random needle
It's probably the most complex one of the healers for whatever it's worth, but it's still doable
It's mainly the targeting the specific DPS that I can understand getting antsy about
sick dirge
performing the opener 
dreamy whale
Do they have a super fast and strict burst?
Cards + divination = brain explosion
rain geode
That's only a few ogcds
dreamy whale
Its mostly the weaving
Selecting the right party member for each card within the weave timing is super stressful
dapper zealot
someone explain to me why card draw is 55 seconds
jolly flume
it was 60 before and if your gcd wasn't a perfect divisor of 60 then you'd microdrift it over time because your weave timings are limited on a job with castbars
for example if you had a gcd of 2.47 you'd cast 24.29 gcds per minute which means every time your draw comes up it's 0.7 seconds later in your gcd roll
which means you either hard clip or drift it even more into the next gcd's weave window
it was absolute cancer
dapper zealot
am I meant to be staggering my draw somewhere to align it with divination at 2m?
jolly flume
yeah you just dont draw off cd
hold your lord/balance deck into divination
the 55s is basically just drift mitigation it's intended to be used as if it was 60
daring pine
im turning u into food
wintry elbow
is there a heavyweight or is that not out yet?
dreamy whale
is there a heavyweight or is that not out yet?
December 16th
Savage will be in January
wintry elbow
i did them and didn't get a 2.0 tomestome for my weapon, did i do something wrong?
daring pine
you need to exchange 4 of the cruiserweight holosaber from m8n
wintry elbow
what is m8n?
daring pine
the 8th fight of the raid series
proper cave
Match 8 normal
wintry elbow
so the M4 cruiser?
wintry elbow
i need to keep doing the cruiser m4 until i get 4 holosabers?
wintry elbow
that was a tuff fight, i just followed the other tank 😄
daring pine
@jolly flume gg
clear plume
Damn not invited
dreamy whale
What jobs have 9 or less weaves within 20 seconds
loud nymph
What jobs have 9 or less weaves within 20 seconds
uh
daring pine
Damn not invited
pf filled 2 quick
loud nymph
that's an oddly specific request
clear plume
Most casters and healers not named ast
jolly flume
6 energy drains in chain be like
idk why weaves in 20 seconds is a metric you're going by though
loud nymph
BLM I guess would be one
clear plume
I take it as in like able to single weave opener for why he’s asking g
dreamy whale
Yeah
night anvil
hello; please forgive the silly question. I scrolled through the channels on the left hand side but couldn't quite find a quick answer to this - where's an appropriate place to post PF recruitment on this server?
(if anywhere)
loud nymph
hello; please forgive the silly question. I scrolled through the channels on the...
There isn't one tbh
jolly flume
dont you play on na now anyways
dreamy whale
I can usually double weave but sometimes I can’t so
clear plume
It’s a global server so they just don’t really have a channel for it
loud nymph
what are you PFing for?
dreamy whale
I might be getting slapped by animation lock
night anvil
we're pfing for p9s on a North American DC - and will follow up with p10s and p11s. working on some TOP criterion BiS farm.
dreamy whale
I probably just need to press my buttons a little slower
loud nymph
I might be getting slapped by animation lock
could be, which job is this on? depending on the ogcd you might be getting fucked by animation lock
jolly flume
top bis in anabaseios?
clear plume
Top bis isn’t 9-11
night anvil
err; criterion BiS'
jolly flume
I probably just need to press my buttons a little slower
uh
dreamy whale
Warrior
Fell cleave , Upheaval>Onslaught>Fell cleave
loud nymph
Warrior
Fell cleave , Upheaval>Onslaught>Fell cleave
this should be doable without clipping the gcd as long as you're not lagging massively
dreamy whale
Im pressing them shits like
clear plume
You’re overthinking what you need for criterion just sync current gear down and the 1% diff is fine honestly it’s not hard dps check even in savage and the extra hp helps (it syncs to 665 instead of 660 so it’s less bad)
rain geode
you press them fast
Nah if your ping is bad you can weirdly press them to fast depending on the button
jolly flume
hes playing on na from na
clear plume
The difference between gnb and pld is triple the difference between gnb in bis and gnb in synced gear (assuming ew relic still)
jolly flume
if you miss the queue window
loud nymph
the only animation lock you need to watch on WAR is on primal rend, can only single weave after that
jolly flume
thats MASSIVELY too early
night anvil
You’re overthinking what you need for criterion just sync current gear down and ...
we understand this.
but if anyone is interested in joining to clear each raid enough for 1 piece of gear minimum in books; DM me for a copy of the PF or look for it on aether
clear plume
You can play on double that without weave issues
jolly flume
that isn't enough to stop you from double weaving on a slow gcd job
dreamy whale
I must be pressing too fast then
dapper zealot
send a clip
dreamy whale
Im at work but I will when I get home
torn mesa
you are probably pressing it too fast, before the next queueing window opens
dreamy whale
Yea im literally like
rain geode
I had that problem real bad when I started playing VPR
dreamy whale
Thumbing over in a frame or two from onslaught to upheaval
Like actually kara cancelling it
loud nymph
yeah then you probably need to slow it down a little bit
jolly flume
this game runs at grandpa speed
dreamy whale
Yeah when i wait like
Idk how to explain it my brain conceptualizes gcd as ticks
So i wait 2 ticks and press and i can double weave
loud nymph
you can practice on a dummy and time your weaves so they are at like 1/3 and 2/3 of the GCD spin animation
dreamy whale
Yeah it never came out
jolly flume
but like
just mash the first button a few times then mash the second button a few times
this aint tekken
rain geode
I just do runescape timing and that seems to work
loud nymph
I don't know what a kara cancel is I assume it's some runescape shit
but you don't need to be giga fast on your weaves
rain geode
Kara cancel is a fighting game technique where you cancel the start up of a move with another move
loud nymph
oh so just animation cancelling with a different name
jolly flume
idk even intuitively with no knowledge of the game systems I don't think this feels like a game where anicancels exist lol
rain geode
oh so just animation cancelling with a different name
More or less only your canceling the start of a move instead of the end of it
rain geode
And when I say "runescape timings" I just mean .6 seconds
Since that's how long a tick is in runescape
jolly flume
.6 is more or less your baseline here
dreamy whale
You use his dash and then cancel the startup into his command grab
jolly flume
technically it's like .58 or some shit but
rain geode
That's also a poor clip to explain kara canceling as it's far to fast
jolly flume
with the queue window and all it hardly matters when you press it as long as it's not like literally one time right as your gcd starts rolling
rain geode
technically it's like .58 or some shit but
Close enuf
loud nymph
Yeah this is not a game where you need to get far into the weeds of timing your ogcds
rain geode
It's also why I like 2.4 GCD I can go "oh it's 4 runescape ticks"
But this game (mostly) seems super lenient with abilities timings
loud nymph
It really is
dull radish
since the first oGCD just queues pretty comfortably and you can just kinda mash the second, double weaving is pretty forgiving/free in most cases
don't have to worry about nuanced timings or anything
loud nymph
generally the only thing you have to think about is "does one of these ogcds have a longer animation lock"
and there's very few that do
stardiver, for instance
or assassinate
and assassinate doesn't matter at max level because DWAD has usual lock
I guess you also have to think about "is this a GCD I can only single weave after" but again, these are pretty limited
primal rend, iaijutsu
distant knoll
primal rend my behated
slender lichen
if youre on pc just get noclippy
loud nymph
etc
loud nymph
if youre on pc just get noclippy
I think they are on console
rain geode
if youre on pc just get noclippy
Plug in I assume what's it do?
slender lichen
slightly cuts down the animation lock of ogcds so its easier to double weave
its how the vanilla game should be tbh
not this jank shit
rain geode
Isn't that kinda cheaty?
Although I'd agree that it should probably just be in the game
slender lichen
no because people who have lower ping already experience this
dull radish
it's a pretty gray area, but regardless in most cases other than especially higher ping or trying to triple weave/double weave stuff with higher animation lock you can do it pretty fine and reliably without noclippy
just makes it a bit more responsive/feels a bit better. But not like, needed to be anywhere near successful in anything
rain geode
I know ping affected the delay of actions switching but it affects the animation lock itself?
loud nymph
No, it doesn't directly cut down your animation locks
slender lichen
since you cant lower ping artificially
the next best thing is to just cut down the animation lock
so the end result is similar
albeit it won't help you with dodging aoes or whatever
loud nymph
as I understand it, it basically simulates lower ping so you aren't waiting for the animation lock longer than you should
jolly flume
it tells the game to let you weave at a time it calculates based on the RTT of a combat packet
instead of waiting for the server to tell your game the same
dreamy whale
I wasnt sure if i was getting clapped by fps extending the “first possible gameplay frame” out of the buffer window
rain geode
So it simulates what the length of your Ani lock would be with better ping and lowers the lock of the animation to accommodate.
dreamy whale
Im probably gonna get the steam machine in 2026 so i can get noclippy and simulate 60 ping
dull radish
if you have especially low fps it has the potential to be a bit problematic as far as input frames are concerned (or for particularly higher end/tighter opti in general it can be a consideration) but it's pretty hard to like, GCD -> oGCD too fast and have the oGCD not queue properly
rain geode
That is very grey
loud nymph
not sure if this is still true but you used to be able to use xivalexander and noclippy to simulate negative ping and that most certainly was abuse
slender lichen
if you think so
daring pine
@jolly flume i dont think the dragons like me
loud nymph
but if you're just using it to accomodate for square enix's shitty godawful netcode
it's something that should be in the game by default
dull radish
I think it's a definitive gray area but something that's pretty broadly considered reasonable regardless under regular use cases
dreamy whale
Yeah im just gonna use it to get down to like 60-70
dull radish
like, it's definitely a bit sketch in how it works and how it can be abused, but if it's used more normally to even the playing field it's like, generally fine
slender lichen
you can't decide how much to lower it
dull radish
well you "can" but realistically just leave things at default and vibe
don't open pandora's box
rain geode
Yeah I think it's a bit to far over the line for me to want to use it but certainly not far enough that I'm gonna complain if others do.
slender lichen
i'd say it's only really a concern if you already have low ping and want even lower ping for whatever reason
then youre going to do weird things like quadruple weave
rain geode
Tho hopefully if your being that egregious someone in one of your games would notice in a parse and call you out
loud nymph
FFLogs will definitely notice if you pull that shit and invalidate your parse.
slender lichen
the game itself would know
dull radish
and even on edge cases that aren't automatically flagged, if you're getting like top ranks people are looking thoroughly at those logs for potential abuse
loud nymph
People take top parses very seriously 
loud nymph
with fenrir's might, the healers die
when I climb
remote gate
are you in the ring
remote gate
adds? surprise more m6s
dreamy whale
you can't decide how much to lower it
Oh
loud nymph
yuweyawata remains the only dungeon that exists for level cap roulette
6 days running
rain geode
So close to off work but man I'm tired I might skip doing second walk tonight, heck I might skip my roulettes even tonight
remote gate
yuweyawata remains the only dungeon that exists for level cap roulette
the third boss somehow wipes teams consistently
austere jay
Hey, I just came back to this game after i don't know, a year and a half break. I'm at the final trial in DT but it requires 670 gear and the MSQ didn't give me that. I'm at 665 or something. Where is the gear acquired?
jolly flume
the msq should've had you stop by a vendor in tuliyollal that gives you 690 artifact gear I'm pretty sure
dreamy whale
So would it be better to refresh aspected benefic under mantra at 1s remaining or wait until mantra is almost out to cast aspected benefic at all
austere jay
the msq should've had you stop by a vendor in tuliyollal that gives you 690 arti...
Yes you seem to be correct, thank you!
dull radish
depends on when you need healing, you generally won't need to have full upkeep of HoTs
dreamy whale
Okok
dull radish
snapshotting them under buffs can be a nice situational consideration but in many cases won't make much of a difference, and if you have the luxury to be that flexible with the timing of it you probably didn't need the first (and/or possibly second) in the first place
dreamy whale
And im playing scholar so it it ok to keep my tank around 50% because i get scared and stressed bc i know adlo shields get eaten pretty quick
And if i use lustrate too much i lose out on sacred soil
dull radish
your goal is to keep people alive, to keep them safe
jolly flume
if you're at a lower level range sure
dreamy whale
Im at 61
jolly flume
at 80+ your tank's hp shouldn't really be dropping that hard anyways
loud nymph
And im playing scholar so it it ok to keep my tank around 50% because i get scar...
yes, it's perfectly ok for tanks to hover around 50-60%
dull radish
you're not beholden to keep people at max as much as possible, but just at a comfortable range that you know you can keep them up without struggling
depending on gear/level/etc that threshold may change
but it's excessively rare to need that % to be 100%
jolly flume
at 61 you don't even have the core preventative tools anyways
you're just a shittier regen healer at that stage
so you more or less just play it like one
you start getting the good stuff at 70 and up
rain geode
As long as your not over healing your probably fine it's not like casual content has an enrage that will screw you over if you used a gcd heal or 2
dreamy whale
At first i went in like “i wanna play summoner so I’ll just level with scholar and drop it” but im really liking sch
jolly flume
even if it's overhealing
as long as you're not literally pressing adlo every gcd
who cares if you cast a few extra shields out of caution
rain geode
SCH is fun especially when you get to the point where you actually have some good buttons
dreamy whale
No i usually spam broil and then im like “oops tank is at half”
Emergency Tactics>Adlo
rain geode
I'm considering bringing it to the next tier
jolly flume
you get excog at 62 which is your first "I don't need to pay attention to you for a while" button
after that you just get more and more
dapper zealot
I find it funny healing at 100 is so much easier than lower levels
dull radish
in part due to having more tools but also generally most people just like, generally overgearing content they'll run into
rain geode
It's on a weird curve
jolly flume
consequence of job design over the years and level sync not working as you'd expect
zealous meteor
excog is a mitigation, right? 
rain geode
Excog is a heal...
dapper zealot
Smh, sch main btw
zealous meteor
i'm well aware that it's not a heal dw
rain geode
All healing is mitigation for death
jolly flume
if it heals back 30% of the damage they took
that's equivalent to them taking 30% less damage
just don't get one shot!
dapper zealot
Not running the duty is 100% mitigation
jolly flume
that's my usual strat
rain geode
Disconnection is mit
jolly flume
if I see a duty lower than level 80 you bet your ass I'm using my 100% mitigation
dull radish
it's so funny in a raid when you have someone targetted by like a major mechanic but they are DCing
so like, you don't have to deal with it at all
doesn't always work that way, but when it does
remote gate
if I see a duty lower than level 80 you bet your ass I'm using my 100% mitigatio...
you get placed in stone vigil hard what do you do
jolly flume
I just did sv hard for the first time in 7k hours 30 minutes ago
remote gate
did you hate it
jolly flume
quite
dull radish
I had to farm sv hard to much for dungeon atma back in ARR
did that dungeon like 40-50 times for the drop
jolly flume
doing arr content genuinely makes me wonder how the game survived the reboot
remote gate
cat girls
jolly flume
although I guess the standards were lower back then
versed kayak
not sure if this is still true but you used to be able to use xivalexander and n...
you can always modify the source code to do that, but then you're purposefully cheating
xivalex docs even explicitly warn you about this
quick verge
doing arr content genuinely makes me wonder how the game survived the reboot
most boring arr job clears most exciting dt job btdubs
loud nymph
I genuinely can't decide what I want to play next tier
might be freed of phys ranged jail
maybe DRG
ember quartz
doing arr content genuinely makes me wonder how the game survived the reboot
tam tara hard >amaurot
fight me
rain geode
I genuinely can't decide what I want to play next tier
mood
worldly grotto
ember quartz
daring pine
@jolly flume the prog is progging
i saw some more of adds which is nice, just need to clean that up
wahoo
rain geode
i saw some more of adds which is nice, just need to clean that up
You can do it!
rapid whale
are you enjoying it
daring pine
oh yeah very much so
daring pine
i love it
m7s was so fucking miserable
especially as rdm
and no the p3 dd wasnt even the bad part
it's the fucking pf healers
dull drum
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1385126906441236622/1406708238535229480...
funny gif
rain geode
I will say xiv might be top 2 in terms of funny mmo gifs
loud nymph
it's the fucking pf healers
I mained rdm for abyssos and I will never main rdm for another tier with the way pf healers are
having caster hp without a personal defensive
nah, miss me with that shit
daring pine
ok p3 dd was bad but not because of the uptime
the pair stacks
the amount of times i just died to damage there because the healers are either dumb or bad
or both
please bruh just throw SOMETHING on me
loud nymph
in p8s I literally had no choice but to pray during dog 1 with the stomps
pray the healers were paying attention
pray for buddy mit from a tank
pray for something
halcyon storm
is it just me or is progression inside the occult crescent not very friendly for new people
true beacon
It’s not much different than Eureka
dull drum
i got more wanna see
sure
ember quartz
random needle
I will say xiv might be top 2 in terms of funny mmo gifs
I have to ask what you think its competition is
rain geode
I have to ask what you think its competition is
Old school runescape is kinda unbeatable
random needle
sick dirge
rain geode
Its so good
shy obsidian
hrmmmmmmmmm
dapper zealot
hrmmmmmmmmm
sly basin
ember quartz
all of christmas bent to my will
mortal flower
"The marvels of Nicholas, mere playthings"
"The first christmas, faithfully recreated."
"Snow on high fall as flakes!"
thin tartan
4 am 2 seocnds away from passing out lets do fru
pale blade
does nobody run Chrysalis or is this a bad time of the day
I think people are deathly afraid of that trial
pale blade
I think it would benefit SE if they turned it into a solo instance
trim frost
hop on furcon
trim frost
I think it would benefit SE if they turned it into a solo instance
im genuinely surprised it still isn't yet
pale blade
im genuinely surprised it still isn't yet
maybe someone hasn’t sucked Yoshida’s toes yet
neon wadi
I was saying that, per story, it would make sense to have a solo instance yea?
pale blade
Not really story but the trial is genuinely a headache, especially when brainlets are involved
trim frost
based on how they treat story these days it would make more sense for it to be a solo instance over an 8-man trial too
pale blade
yarp
trim frost
cuz we gotta whip out the azem pen every time we go somewhere normal people shouldn't be able to
pale blade
That too
But also Chrysalis gameplay-wise fucking sucks
Changing it to a solo instance would not only benefit the game but would also lower barriers in MSQ; further it would save many players the headache of having to run through it
When people pop into Chrysalis, nine times out of ten at least one of the seven others are audibly groaning
Getting rid of Chrysalis as a trial would not be a loss
Unless you’re a FFXIV boomer desperately clinging to old glories and unable to let go
trim frost
post-arr bottlenecks at the trials because it's a lot of new people's first time needing to queue with other people for stuff
so trimming the fat where possible can only be an improvement
and hey while they're at it maybe nuke the relic reborn trials and at least two of the hildibrand trials
tired egret
Getting rid of Chrysalis as a trial would not be a loss
tbh either rework the entire fight so it's not boring as fuck to do as a trial
or just solo instance
works either way
trim frost
it's so far removed from current fight design that it really has no reason to exist as a trial
and like
if you asked players today if they knew that buffs get extended 10x before getting sucked into the white room i'd wager the majority of them would say no
thin tartan
4 am 2 seocnds away from passing out lets do fru
it blew up lets go to next pf
distant knoll
tbh either rework the entire fight so it's not boring as fuck to do as a trial
make the black hole delete your lb gauge
smiles
now everyone* (*mostly the tanks tho) has to do the aetherial tear bit normally
though yeah just nuking chrysalis would not be that bad
the only notable things in the fight are the towers in aetherial tear phase when a dps wastes lb early and like, triple tb on the clueless df tanks
trim frost
it blew up lets go to next pf
r u actually
thin tartan
rapid whale
grindin
dapper zealot
it's taller
trim frost
wish we had dyeable mounts because these air wheelers look sick
trim frost
yea the surfboard whatever
craggy marsh
Tbf mobile got something like that
Its funny that the dyeable hoverboard in mobile came out around the same time as the cosmoboard in main xiv
Main xiv got the temu version
trim frost
It didnt fill for another 20 so o js dipped
what do u even do while waiting for ults anyway
like i think it would be nice to put up an ult pf and then go clean the house or something and come back to a full party
torn mesa
just install pushyfinder
thin tartan
Not forgetting mits
jaunty pulsar
is there mechanics I should be aware for San D'oria as dps? I've only healed in there and it's been ages since I entered
trim frost
no not really
jaunty pulsar
thanks
torn mesa
it would be nice if a lot of plugin functionalities just existed in FFXIV
wicked delta
Use eyes and you will win
trim frost
so true
thin tartan
It doesnt rven take thag lkng to fill anwyay
trim frost
what if i got a Chess Device™ to tell me when pf fills
dreamy whale
it would be nice if a lot of plugin functionalities just existed in FFXIV
Noclippy basekit i beg
loud nymph
if only
pale blade
maybe I should keep running Sandy Oreo until I go deaf
rain geode
You want to be capped on maths when 7.4 comes out right?
visual geyser
That’s the one with no weekly limit
If so yes
So you can sell the tomes to gear nerds for a couple mil
rain geode
Maths is the current weekly capped helio is the uncapped
cerulean crown
yeah, be as capped as you can on all of them
rain geode
So if I'm currently capped on maths how many can I afford to spend and stay capped?
valid solar
So if I'm currently capped on maths how many can I afford to spend and stay capp...
450 is the amount you can get every week
random needle
Patch drops on Dec. 16, so working backwards, you have the weeks of Dec. 9, Dec. 2, Nov. 25, Nov. 18
And if you haven't already hit 450 this week, technically also the week of Nov 12
So about 1800 tomes of leeway, assuming you cap every week
loud nymph
I was doing this math earlier today I was able to spend down to about 400
and still if I cap everything in the next weeks
will be capped going into 7.4
rain geode
I capped this week and am at the 2k cap so I can in theory spend down to 200 and as long as I cap every week I'll be good.
Sweet good to know
(I wanted to buy some 750 gear for the ex)
jolly flume
yo this guildhest shit is peak content
rain geode
One of these days I might do a single guildhest
jolly flume
gheh heh heh heh
loud nymph
level cap roulette WAS NOT yuweyawata
zealous meteor
lol im hopping between instances to get the fates that don't force me to sync my level down
and i got the outjaw in all three instances
sinful brook
yo this guildhest shit is peak content
Ayo chiyo on the mentor roulette pipeline?
wicked delta
Ayo chiyo on the mentor roulette pipeline?
this guy was like
im not actually gonna do it
i just hate having shit locked on my list
i was like
aight man
thats what they all say...
sinful brook
loud nymph
I'm more amazed that there are four p8s PFs up rn
rapid whale
people wanna do top ig
jolly flume
yeah
torn mesa
ping me if you have something.
valid solar
chat are we clearing
stream when you get in 
jolly flume
as it stands I have 0 faith in this party to clear so
if you wanna go for the other one instead I'll come too
torn mesa
the 1 with the only DRK?
jolly flume
ye
torn mesa
ok I'll chill there for a bit I guess
jolly flume
why am I getting flamed
tulip anvil
i realize now i dont know p8s very well
jolly flume
oh no its the hidden logs guy
torn mesa
jagged aspen
why is first boss of alexandria always full of memes
had a tank repeatedly try to stand in party stack with their TB
jolly flume
free
distant knoll
had a tank repeatedly try to stand in party stack with their TB
reminds me of my first run of barbariccia normal where my genius cotank stacked with the flare and killed everyone
distant knoll
reminds me of my first run of barbariccia normal where my genius cotank stacked ...
im like sir you have a bomb. you've brought a bomb onto this plane
rapid whale
congrats to clearee
jolly flume
the lalafell blankly staring in the corner is sending me
rain geode
How does normal raid drops work when they're limited?
proper cave
You get only one token from the chest pool. One per floor. You can run as often as needed until you get it.
rain geode
So you get up to 4 tokens per week.
loud nymph
Yes
And the exchange rate works the same way as when the drops are unlimited, so 4 tokens = 1 chest or legs, 2 = head/gloves/boots, 1 = accessory
so if you get a chestpiece that's all you get for the week
random needle
the lalafell blankly staring in the corner is sending me
A hrothgal that exists, wow
loud nymph
The blade token from m12s will also be weekly locked, and it takes 7 blades to exchange for the savage drop - so 7 weeks for a weapon if you don't get the weapon token from m10s
rain geode
And it's 3 weeks until savage? So youd be able to get about 3-6ish 770 pieces from normal raide before the tier on top of a few 780 pieces from current tomes then you fill the reset with 770 crafted gear
loud nymph
Granted you'll be halfway there by the time savage drops, but still
Yeah, savage is delayed by 3 weeks, so it doesn't go live until Jan 6th
Which means you have potentially 1800 limited tomes before you even step foot into savage
rain geode
Wouldn't it be 1350 or am I missing something
loud nymph
you're forgetting the extra 450 from the week when savage drops.
rain geode
Right it doesn't take that long so you can grind it out before your start
loud nymph
so you can buy a tome chest/legs, head/glove/boot, and an accessory
before even stepping foot into savage
rain geode
Like you can buy one from each of those categories or do you actually get all that?
clear plume
That counts the week of unlocks tomes as well so if you’re alarm clocking you need to cut one out but one of each category
rain geode
So you get a chest or a leg, head or glove or boot, and an acc for 3 780 pieces total
loud nymph
yes
one from each category
which is a ridiculous amount of tome pieces to have going into savage
especially when you consider usually your best in slot is like, 5 or maybe 6 tome pieces
dreamy whale
Does alexander have any body checks in normal or can i desync it
loud nymph
you can unsync it
rain geode
Do I have any options for 770 weapon or is it just crafted?
loud nymph
775 from ex
You'll have 775 relic too, though it hasn't been announced whether that'll be in 7.41 or 7.45
But with 3 weeks with nothing to do but ex, plenty of opportunity to farm train
rain geode
Gotcha so make sure I farm whatever the ex in 7.4 is as well
rapid whale
And it's 3 weeks until savage? So youd be able to get about 3-6ish 770 pieces fr...
yea the 4 weeks (cuz you can do week of launch before entering savage) of tome gear + normal raid gear is why pentamelding will be a lot cheaper this time around cuz we'll have so many slots filled alr
since you can only overmeld crafted gear
rain geode
I should probably learn how overmelding works as well huh
loud nymph
it's really not hella necessary if you're not going for w1 clears
rain geode
Can't hurt to know how it works regardless
loud nymph
it's only for crafted gear
you put 12s in the main slots
you put 11s in the rest
it can only be done by a player
that's basically all there is to it
random needle
Also you have to gamble
When putting Materia in normal slots, it's guaranteed to fit
loud nymph
yeah I left the part out where you burn 50 materia and fail to attach it
rain geode
So if gear has 2 slots I put 12s in there and I cant put 12 in the "overmeld" slots so I do 11s instead simply enough
loud nymph
right
random needle
I think the first overmeld is 20% odds? Something like that?
dreamy whale
Do waymarkers carry over between characters
loud nymph
it goes down to about 5%
loud nymph
Do waymarkers carry over between characters
no
dreamy whale
Tragic
rain geode
So you burn a lot of 11s if you bother with it
loud nymph
yeah
loud nymph
Tragic
that said you can use plugins to make it work the way it should
if you're, y'know, not on console
dreamy whale
Alas PS5
loud nymph
tragic
rain geode
Maybe I'll just use the 11s I have since I already have a stack but not waste Gil on more
dreamy whale
Im gonna get the steam machine tho
loud nymph
Maybe I'll just use the 11s I have since I already have a stack but not waste Gi...
if you do hunt trains you can build up a pretty huge stockpile of tokens for materia turn ins
rain geode
if you do hunt trains you can build up a pretty huge stockpile of tokens for mat...
I'll certainly keep that in mind
dreamy whale
Should i have a crafter at 100 for pentamelds
loud nymph
you need one to pentameld, so yes
npcs can't do overmelds
so either you do it yourself or you beg/bribe/bully another player into doing it for you
rain geode
How much is the new crafted set usually at, I assume it won't be that bad given all the extra loot you can get but I wanna make sure I likely have enough gill to buy the pieces I need
loud nymph
I don't imagine it will be giga expensive what with the long wait for savage
couple million probably
rain geode
So 6m should be plenty to get my hands on it?
loud nymph
I would think so unless you're looking for it day one
the price will plummet real fast
supply is going to massively outpace demand
sinful brook
you're also going to need fewer crafted pieces off rip though i think
compared to previously
rain geode
Yeah that's why I'm assuming it won't be that bad
loud nymph
this is true too thanks to the long wait
sinful brook
i mean thats assuming your bis list doesn't say
tome chest/legs
because thats all your budget at once
loud nymph
I don't think I've ever seen a bis list where you want both
sinful brook
first time for everything
loud nymph
true, true
sinful brook
though that said i think even then your move would be one of those two and a head/hands/foot + acc
this is vibes based no math involved lol
so grain of salt
rain geode
Ok hopefully last loot question I only get 1 shot at loot per week but I can role on everything right? I know statics will funnel gear but in pf you can kinda just free for all and can roll on everything right?
loud nymph
yes
rain geode
so grain of salt
We simply can't know until we see the loot
sinful brook
yes you can roll
loud nymph
you only get one chance per week, but you can win everything
loud nymph
and with PF you should assume everyone else is needing on everything
rain geode
Obviously you don't get loot for not doing the content
loud nymph
you get your clear, you get a book. that is your guaranteed loot
everything else is up for grabs
even if you win none of the coffers, you got your book
sinful brook
statics that aren't week 1 have less purpose in funneling gear to dps
not that they can't/don't but if you clear week 8 that extra dps gear doesn't make a difference lol
dreamy whale
Hey how come sometimes when i use adlo on someone who’s low health it goes crazy and gives them an insane shield
vestal hollow
adlo can crit
rain geode
Crits
dreamy whale
Icic
daring pine
eukrasian diagnosis can also crit fwiw
craggy marsh
not that they can't/don't but if you clear week 8 that extra dps gear doesn't ma...
Funnel gear to whoever crafted everyone their sets and food/pots 
Always keep your crafter happy
dreamy whale
Rinon was talking about raiders doing like a weird strat where they would heal only at super low hp to get more limit break so i thought it was a clutch heal mechanic
loud nymph
nah, just means you got a crit haha
the "heal at low health for more LB" thing is a super niche speedrun thing
daring pine
yeah that's just a speedrun strat to get more lbs out
loud nymph
like that m6s speedrun I saw a while back that killed the boss immediately after adds
rain geode
I would focus on the fundamentals before worrying about wonky specific thi gs like that
loud nymph
unless you're speedrunning it's not something you need to think about ever
dreamy whale
Oh ok
loud nymph
you can see their HP dipping up and down at the start because they're putting low ilvl gearsets on
by doing this they have LB2 after the first raidwide
they also hyper mit the TB and have everyone stack in it
for the same reason
for comparison's sake in normal play you might have LB2 around the start of adds
4 1/2 minutes into the fight
rapid whale
the game is wildly diff at the highest levels
you know how hard uwu is now that you've tried a few lock outs? @dreamy whale there are people here who've intentionally cleared it in challenge modes like 6 man (2 ppl instantly wall) etc
dreamy whale
Insane
limpid edge
who that cute middie in CoD?
rapid whale
uwu
wicked delta
You’re 60 years old
rain geode
That true?
wicked delta
Hes like 35
limpid edge
i rolled a 1 on it FUCKIN
rapid whale
thats just means you got the bad luck out of your karmic cycle surely you win
remote gate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvAznODsB2w
insane run to watch
wicked delta
hmm
daring pine
wuh
versed kayak
so far x_x
looks good!
daring pine
eeh
too much grey
because of that dumbass whm
society if the whm didnt die to stonefang repeatedly
or grief rev reign 500 times in a row
versed kayak
at least you still got some prog
I guess kicking isnt really an option with 5 people left doing m8s at this time
daring pine
no there's plenty of people doing 8s still
7s is also doing ok
5s and 6s are um..they're definitely there
versed kayak
6s in pf sounds like hell now
versed kayak
it already sounded like hell in pf while it was current
versed kayak
oh right its under a different tab
wicked delta
it already sounded like hell in pf while it was current
versed kayak
I was looking at raids
versed kayak
at least you can ban WHM then :D
dreamy whale
versed kayak
dont tempt me
pull quality would improve by 50% probably
dapper zealot
REJOICE IN THE GLORY OF COMBAT
dreamy whale
i should have decided i wanted to play summoner 200 hours ago
Grind from 60 to 88 is diabolical
sick dirge
REJOICE IN THE GLORY OF COMBAT
UNYIELDING AS- fuck i forgot the line
daring pine
pull quality would improve by 50% probably
pull quality will improve by like five trillion % if i can manage to get friends in my pf
anyway time to grab a coffee and then put up a pf
versed kayak
pull quality will improve by like five trillion % if i can manage to get friends...
I'd help but I still havent done the fight yet
wicked delta
7 mentors this was the easiest shit of my life
daring pine
I'd help but I still havent done the fight yet
we can do next tier together it's okay
sick dirge
another extreme
wicked delta
limpid edge
who here is the big birch?
daring pine
groovy moves! the crowd fucking hates it!
versed kayak
the crowd wants their gcd uptime
sick dirge
Hey, what are you trying to do, collect vulnerability stacks?
sick dirge
the crowd wants their gcd uptime
Groovy moves! But your uptime fucking sucks!
wicked delta
lmk if the party does that one part perfectly <:paissawall:430211234906767370>
we did
two perfect grooves
surprising
sick dirge
fire
remote gate
on the dance floor everyone's a star!
sick dirge
i tend to forget that we're in a wrestling match and there are in fact spectators
im always like "the fuck do you mean crowd" 
versed kayak
people trying to get mentor roulette, mainly
sick dirge
mb
daring pine
dude
if one more person asks me if i can flex to fucking melee
i'm killing them
@wicked delta i'm going to
start tweaking
wicked delta
<@146656795421573120> i'm going to
daring pine
stop asking me to flex to melee!!!!
stop it!
i'm ignoring the second guy this is an adds cleanup pf idc if you're on millenial decay man
loud nymph
"millenial decay cleanup" really just means they got through it once and then died to the tracking tremors
I am an expert in translating PFese
anyway add phase is pretty fuckin chill you got this
daring pine
yeah it really doesn't seem that bad, i just need to hope i get people that don't have shit for brains
mostly the healers
if i get shitty healers then goodbye prog lol, welcome millenial decay
honestly most of the mechs in p1 dont seem that bad but i'll hold my tongue until i get to enrage
oh hey 2 dps joined
loud nymph
so TR is not bad but it's fast
beckon moonlight is spooky because you cram everyone into one quadrant
and it's also fast
daring pine
yeah i can definitely see people getting clipped during beckon
raw sand
so far x_x
oops all millennial decay
raw sand
phase 2 is basically an extreme
loud nymph
once you get to the point where you've cleaned up beckon moonlight you're 80% of the way there
raw sand
in terms of the mechanics pacing
loud nymph
the only part of phase 2 that's a little 
is UV4
b/c you're going into it right after heroes blow 2 which is right after LWL
and if people don't book it to the starting platforms it gets dicey fast
but
the actual mechs leading up to that point are chill af
circuit looks spooky at first until you realize you have 8 trillion years to read it and just need to remember the order
twofold is easy
lament is easy
raw sand
circuit order never changes either, its just either cw or ccw
so u kinda just memorize it sooner or later
daring pine
loud nymph
really the biggest hurdle to clearing p2 is cleaning up the end of p1
daring pine
yeah quad doesn't look that bad actually
loud nymph
once you've done that it's not gonna be long
loud nymph
yeah quad doesn't look that bad actually
it's really not the only time it gets fucky is if you're on 3 or 4
loud nymph
because there should not be a C marker there
raw sand
I think most fails I see for reclear happened in TR, at least for my static
raw sand
Moonlight was cleaning up shakies during prog but reclear it wasnt too bad
sinful brook
My group had done small issues with quad moon because my mt would walk hella goofy
loud nymph
the biggest hurdle for me to moonlight was actually reading the safe spots fast enough
sinful brook
And clip me
loud nymph
my melee partner also tended to give me 0 room so I'd literally be at the wall and they'd still clip me
but once you clean that up
yeah you're like 80% done with the fight
wicked delta
this mentor shit easy
loud nymph
for the sake of providing numbers my very casual static raids 2x a week 3 hours a session, we got to TR in mid august and cleared about a month later
p1 is definitely the hurdle in that fight
rapid whale
yea p2 is p much shakey/study check
loud nymph
the one thing that's harder about p2 is it's harder to recover from fuckups
p1 is harder to execute but if you fuck up it's not necessarily a wipe
loud nymph
p2 if someone fucks up it can spiral fast
daring pine
a sam/dnc couple joined but left
thank god
@loud nymph holy shit
two healers joined at the same time
loud nymph
nice
loud nymph
if I wasn't about to jump into some bg3 with friends I'd be ur phys range
or melee I guess I haven't done it as melee but I have NIN bis and could probably flex to it
rapid whale
dull drum
whats wrong with casters
versed kayak
they probably keep asking marce if she can flex melee lmao
wicked delta
can casters stop joining my pf
why dont you lock the slot to phys range
daring pine
whats wrong with casters
i've had like 3 people so far ask me to flex melee because i'm rdm
its annoying
rapid whale
put the melee combo in the bag marce
daring pine
i'll put the melee combo somewhere else
rapid whale
how far r u now
rapid whale
as in you've gotten past it a few times but not consistently type shi?
daring pine
nah i havent gotten past it yet (hence the cleanup) because ppl keep griefing
although i can already tell somebody is going to cleanse too early and wipe the party
loud nymph
tbf I was so worries about adds b/c p12s is my only other savage add phase experience and p12s adds was pain
but m8s adds is so fucking easy
daring pine
dude
kinger
this ast was like
"i have a phys range coming" (there are already 2 ranged)
what the fuck is going on
daring pine
i mean it's doable i guess since we have a pct
but the pct wants to r1
and i'm assuming the prange also wants to
tulip wraith
oops, all prange
daring pine
there's only one prange silly
tulip wraith
wait 
daring pine
rdm pct dnc
ok the lack of a party response is concerning @loud nymph
i dont think this ast was looking at chat when me and pct were discussing roles lol
ok we solved it, the dancer is going to fake melee which is interesting
loud nymph
that is odd
daring pine
it
is very odd
i've only ever seen casters fake melee
shit, if the dancer can actually do it then props to him lol
comp of all time
dull drum
i've had like 3 people so far ask me to flex melee because i'm rdm
welcome to rdm
tulip wraith
mayhaps i try clearing ex5 tonight
rapid whale
do it
rapid whale
o? whatcha doin
daring pine
prange
