endgame-lounge

[verbal frost]

despite having the best burst in the game

well actually in the evidence I used

it literally is doing more raw dps

[rapid whale]

that isn't my point

the point is the metric for reasonable will always shift and can always complain abt balance

[remote gate]

why are you so upset over a dude with a katana doing better damage than an idiot kiriko and some wizard who snorts fire, ice, and thunder crystals

[clear plume]

(This was a top ten dnc parse btw)

[verbal frost]

carontte is good

[clear plume]

In caro we trust

[verbal frost]

but even they admit the balance is bad

LMAO

[jolly flume]

you wanna see something funny

it's called xenoglossy in downtime

[verbal frost]

do adps

[rapid whale]

gloss deez

[verbal frost]

doadps

[jolly flume]

theyre

right next to each other

LOL

[verbal frost]

it's b/c

[jolly flume]

u cannot possibly argue

[verbal frost]

black mage pads p4

[jolly flume]

this is a gap worth caring about

[sly basin]

this guy joined just to complain about balancing

[verbal frost]

black mage pads p4

[rapid whale]

?????????

[sly basin]

he was just doing it in general discussion

[rapid whale]

picto is THE cleave job

wat

[remote gate]

i still think it's insane that people were killing m4s week 1 a minute before enrage because of picto

[mossy eagle]

I'm sorry but this is such an odd hill to die on.

[jolly flume]

it was not because of picto

[sly basin]

also i remember u, u told us "i hope u fucking wipe" when u were late to the PF u signed up for lmfao

[vestal hollow]

I genuinely want ffxiv raiders to play other mmos so they realize how spoiled they are for good balance

[jolly flume]

it was because the check was fake as fuck no matter what comp you brought

[clear plume]

He’s been kicked from most other discords I share with him

[wintry elbow]

Where do i spend my helio tomes at?'

[sly basin]

ive encountered him many times doing chaotic

[mossy eagle]

Yes we want better balance, no we don't care about 200 DPS or whatever. There's far bigger fish to fry

[rapid whale]

solution 9

[remote gate]

solution 9

[rapid whale]

nexus arcade

[verbal frost]

I'm not saying the balance is horrific

[wintry elbow]

is there a specific person and what do i get?

[verbal frost]

I"m saying it could be better

and more fair

to sustain jobs

[vestal hollow]

there are no sustain jobs

[verbal frost]

obviously the balance is acceptable currently

[rapid whale]

depends on your goals and iirc it says <tomestone exchange> or something to that effect

[verbal frost]

because no dps checks have been hard

okay let me use another world

[vestal hollow]

i fear

[verbal frost]

"more sustain less burst"

[vestal hollow]

you dont know

what youre talking about

[verbal frost]

okay

[jolly flume]

there is no such thing as a hard dps check

[remote gate]

we are both right chiyo

[verbal frost]

but can you admit

some jobs have a weaker burst and better filler

?

[remote gate]

yes?

[mossy eagle]

This is a job design issue not a balance issue

[rapid whale]

cooly can we just admit "yes job balance can be improved" and leave it at that lmao

like you're talking in circles m8

[verbal frost]

that's what I'm saying tho

[rapid whale]

ik you are

[verbal frost]

but some ppl are saying it's a non issue

[dreamy whale]

So how come sometimes wing motif is instacast

[rapid whale]

im saying you've been saying the same thing for ike an hr

[verbal frost]

that's what is annoying me

[rapid whale]

because it is a non issue

[verbal frost]

like I understnad it's a non issue

[jolly flume]

it is a non issue

[verbal frost]

ecause you play a meta job

[sly basin]

u didnt agree the way he wanted u to agree so hes mad

[jolly flume]

I play meta jobs?

[versed kayak]

I'll start caring once jobs actually become unfeasible to play because they're that bad

[verbal frost]

well idk what u main tbf

spitball me

[jolly flume]

my bad bro

[torn kindle]

IMO balance has been too focused on 2m burst

[mossy eagle]

We won't get more true sustain jobs due to how encounters, raid buffs, and jobs all interact under the current paradigm

[clear plume]

Damn chiyo the mch main the meta class player

[jolly flume]

i didnt know I was a meta job player

[clear plume]

[verbal frost]

ye I mean respect to mch

[rapid whale]

holy meta slave chiyo

[jolly flume]

idk

[mossy eagle]

Chiyo I can't believe you play a meta job

[verbal frost]

okay but what I am asking

[jolly flume]

I just play what I think is fun

[verbal frost]

is can you admit it can be better

[jolly flume]

bc everything in this game is too easy to care

[vestal hollow]

ffxiv players when a job does like 10 dps less than it should: its literally dead. the balance is terrible., it sucks. anyone who plays that job should quit the game.

[jolly flume]

realistically

[verbal frost]

because like u play in a static

[clear plume]

Glad to hear mch is meta my character “Machinist Enjoyer” finally gets to complete dawntrail msq

[verbal frost]

I think that is obvious

[torn mesa]

even I don't play a meta job

[verbal frost]

I think when you do pf

[clear plume]

Big news for my time this weekend

[mossy eagle]

We said this like a million times

[verbal frost]

this stuff matters more

[rapid whale]

no one has disagreed it can be improved, everyone is saying "we've been known"

[verbal frost]

you don't have the best players

in pf

it's clear you play in a competitive static or something

I'm a pfer myself.

[jolly flume]

I pfed for like

5000/6800 of my hours

[verbal frost]

so like I understand that everything in the game is easy for you

because your party is 99th percentile

[rapid whale]

is your argument that "my job sucking is why i don't clear as fast" or something?

[mossy eagle]

You keep flipping back and forth between the milquetoast opinion of "job balance can be better" (most agree) and "job balance is unacceptable" (most disagree with a few fringe exceptions)

[torn mesa]

the reverse is true in many ways; in PF the value of buffs tends to be undervalued compared to their actual potential

[sly basin]

"TELL ME IM RIGHT"

[vestal hollow]

i have news for you

!faq metameme

[storm frost]

**Do not use this to answer questions**

[rapid whale]

damn

[clear plume]

Most players who are good at the game actually pf a lot, because you tend to get good by enjoying a game and most groups do not do 12 hours a day

[verbal frost]

ye I get it

[jolly flume]

my group is pretty chill as far as semihc groups go anyways

we do evenings only for w1

we dont parse

we dont speed

we log off and play wow

[vestal hollow]

you arent failing to clear because of a job choice, its because of a lack of optimization

[jolly flume]

well, former group

[verbal frost]

nah I mean that's based and I can respect that

but can you still admit your group is well above average

[jolly flume]

sure

[verbal frost]

so maybe you aren't getting like

the same experience

[jolly flume]

but that doesnt affect my job choice really

[verbal frost]

as a casual who is just doing pf

[clear plume]

Oh? Is there news here

[rapid whale]

im ngl

[verbal frost]

because like u are getting 99s

[rapid whale]

does balance really matter to a casual who is just doing pf

[verbal frost]

obviously balance does not matter u are doing like

max percentile damage almost

if anyone is doing 99 in a party they are carrying

[torn mesa]

the other thing is, if you're not anywhere near the top level, balance (or lack of it) almost certainly doesn't matter for you in comparison to playing better

[verbal frost]

but for the average party

[rapid whale]

not sure if that's how it works

[jolly flume]

long ass story but my old raid lead got dumped by his egirl went awol and now everyone's leaving because we cant get ahold of him

[verbal frost]

it's mostly people doing like

[jolly flume]

LOL

[verbal frost]

dps in the 25-75 range

and balance matters more when you just have an average party

[vestal hollow]

its an easy boogeyman

[jolly flume]

people doing dps in the 25-75 range should focus more on pressing their buttons good and less on the meta value of their jobs

[clear plume]

It’s almost like pressing buttons decently is more important than any class balance

[rapid whale]

shrimply play better idk

[remote gate]

[mossy eagle]

If people are parsing green, then 200 extra DPS from playing a different job or a better balanced job is not going to save the run

[rapid whale]

yea a green player is a green player

[verbal frost]

I mean ye I agree but at the same time it's unbalanced at every percentile you've seen it you play mch

[rapid whale]

i mean

[jolly flume]

if it's like 7.05 pct

I'd agree

[verbal frost]

so the jobs being more balanced could just help more people clear

[jolly flume]

rest of the time

just press the buttons better

[verbal frost]

shit like that

[dreamy whale]

What if I parse pink is that good

[mossy eagle]

Our entire point is that the balance is small potatoes compared to skill issue

[rapid whale]

then you have the case of like pct vs blm : at blue blm is stronger but at orange picto passes it

[verbal frost]

Picto was an extreme I agree with that

[mossy eagle]

No you have to parse gold

[verbal frost]

but there still are cases of jobs contributing like 10% more dps than others

I think astro is a very obvious case of this

[clear plume]

Banger

[verbal frost]

astro, monk, drg, nin.

[dreamy whale]

Gray is bad green is salvageable and anything above that is good/great right

[rapid whale]

r u rdy for the inevitable "where were u when i needed u most" post in a few months by them

[torn kindle]

10% more than the next best option or 10% more than the lowest one on the list

[vestal hollow]

anyways i have to go get dinner have a good evening

of

[jolly flume]

talking to wall gif

[vestal hollow]

whatever is happening here

[mossy eagle]

If everyone is parsing high green you can generally clear any fight

[wicked delta]

My boba eyes face 4 catgirl left me

[torn kindle]

Because a lot of games would kill for a 10% disparity

[dreamy whale]

Okok

[verbal frost]

on patch dancing green at the 70th percentile

[torn kindle]

In WoW some dps legitimately do a half to a third of other dps

[worldly grotto]

My bad

[clear plume]

I ended up joining a half team of raid babies (3 of them started in LHW) and dragging a fellow boomer into it

[torn kindle]

We’re spoiled

[wicked delta]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-talking-wall-bricks-gif-17741481

[mossy eagle]

There's so much skill issue at 70th percentile

[rapid whale]

mb

[mossy eagle]

No one is comparing jobs at the 70th percentile

[verbal frost]

damn do you hate them or sum

😭

[jolly flume]

im the most baby both irl age and acc age in mine

[sly basin]

no its reasonable

[clear plume]

We got the healthy mix of “cleared ucob on patch” and “wants to do anab for derust because they haven’t cleared it”

[jolly flume]

not really

[sly basin]

the rl never responded

[jolly flume]

I just think its funny

lol

[verbal frost]

fairs

[rapid whale]

im the "oldest by age, youngest by exp"

[torn kindle]

“I brought DRK because I like playing DRK” in the World first team

[verbal frost]

idk I'm just asking for like

because in 7.3 for example

the only melee that got single target buffs was ninja

[rapid whale]

okok so cooly lets say we are in a world we agree with all your points then what

[verbal frost]

when it was already the best performing melee

[rapid whale]

balance is utter dogshit ok

[clear plume]

That was giga based at the time I was raiding with emiin so I was a drk coper

[rapid whale]

now what

[verbal frost]

idk I was just trying to explain that was really all

[clear plume]

[verbal frost]

I don't think it's dogshit I never said that

I just think it can be better

[rapid whale]

not my point

[verbal frost]

that's rlly all

[mossy eagle]

Yeah I work at SE let me fix it quick

[clear plume]

Emiin and aletin co tank era was crazy og balance shit

[mossy eagle]

It's just a quick slider

[verbal frost]

and I don't think like they are aware of it also

[rapid whale]

cuz atp it seems more like you're trying to argue

[verbal frost]

nah I'm not

[rapid whale]

with people who already agree with the majority of your points

[verbal frost]

if I am arguing lmk

[rapid whale]

so you're finding smaller and smaller nit picks

[verbal frost]

I stop

I quit the arguing life fr

[mossy eagle]

The past like 10 minutes have been fun but pointless arguing

[rapid whale]

coulda fooled me

[sly basin]

🤔

[mossy eagle]

So if you want to stop, uhhh I guess just stop posting

[verbal frost]

ye that's fair ig

[worn bluff]

what else are we supposed to do in here

[rapid whale]

we need to stop attacking opinions

[sly basin]

post silly pf interactions

[rapid whale]

and start attacking each other frfr

[jolly flume]

idk

post cute femras

[mossy eagle]

Rave about E33 (I finally started playing)

[jolly flume]

and samoyeds

make me happy

[verbal frost]

game of the year for sure

[sly basin]

YESSSSSSSSSS

[verbal frost]

but metaphor is better

[vestal hollow]

i feel like you joined just to have an argument

[jolly flume]

e33 is pretty awesome

[sly basin]

what part of game u at rn

[verbal frost]

I didn't

[jolly flume]

if you press the dodge button ur a bitch tho

parry or die

[verbal frost]

I feel like you making that claim is like inherently argumentative

[mossy eagle]

Uhhhh I think toward the end of act 2

[verbal frost]

but maybe I'm wrong who knows

[sly basin]

enjoyy

[verbal frost]

I'm trying to be passive not throwing insults or anything like that.

[mossy eagle]

Yeah I know I'm a bitch my dad already told me that

[verbal frost]

I never do that.

[jolly flume]

😭

[verbal frost]

e33 is good

[rapid whale]

does this make you happy

[verbal frost]

but u gotta play it at the hardest difficulty

or the game is free

[jolly flume]

https://tenor.com/view/cavif-cavifax-gif-3330778137757269524

[verbal frost]

b/c some of the chars are op

[mossy eagle]

I play on balanced

I'm too old to play hard games

[verbal frost]

depends like how u build ig

[sly basin]

https://tenor.com/view/clair-obscur-gif-3997765438463569121

[verbal frost]

but if you are good at builds the game can be very easy

without hardest difficulty

[jolly flume]

I'm still stuck on my last achievement for cyberpunk

bc I dont know

which fucking fast travel terminal im missing

[verbal frost]

E33 is mainly a story game tho

it's so good play it for the story

[mossy eagle]

I'm too ancient for games with tight timing windows

[verbal frost]

I think the timing on normal / hard

is actually the same

fyi

[sly basin]

me in mele trying to scan all the damn keepers

theres like 30 of them

[daring pine]

@rapid whale

im close to relic brah

[verbal frost]

idk what the difficulties are called but if I remember it's the same timing

[clear plume]

I fried a processor doing graphics shit for cp77 mod for a friend and I’ve never even played the game for longer than an hour

[rapid whale]

https://tenor.com/view/knockout-city-dodgeball-gif-26070508

[daring pine]

wtf

[mossy eagle]

Oh yeah it is the same

[rapid whale]

didnt cp77 unironically brick some ppls gpu's early on

[wicked delta]

https://tenor.com/view/samoyed-самоед-собака-самоед-samoyed-dog-собака-gif-9635965278232447043

[verbal frost]

ye here's the post

[mossy eagle]

Wait this is wild

[jolly flume]

man

I need to go buy another coffee

before prog today

or im gonna fall asleep

[mossy eagle]

Why do people talk like parrying is hard in this game

Paper Mario has harder parries

[verbal frost]

because it gest harder

[jolly flume]

OK NICE FLEX BRO

IM JUST DOGSHIT

[verbal frost]

act 1 is easy

[jolly flume]

[sly basin]

get pumpkin spice latte, tis the season

[rapid whale]

if we dont see p6 im rage queuing in pf until i do /s

[wicked delta]

Don’t spend 4 dollars on coke Chiyo

[verbal frost]

you'll see

I don't wanna say to much

[clear plume]

Have u considered white monster or gamersupps

[verbal frost]

but the parrying does get to a point where it's legitimately hard

[mossy eagle]

Yeah for sure I'm sure endgame will be harder

[verbal frost]

like parrying 10+ attacks in a row

[clear plume]

You can drink from an egirl cup and reach your final form

[daring pine]

ok

[verbal frost]

in fast sequence

shit like that

[daring pine]

what dogshit expac am i gonna get from alliance rolo

[verbal frost]

syrcus tower

[jolly flume]

white monster is actually pretty good tasting but every time I drink it I feel like I'm doing something terrible to myself

[rapid whale]

mango monster peak

[mossy eagle]

The best description I've heard about E33 combat is "boss fights take exactly 2 tries"

[daring pine]

fuck you

[verbal frost]

hahahaha

[sly basin]

i wish...

[rapid whale]

everyone point and laugh at marce

[sly basin]

theres 1 boss that took me like 20 tries

ill spoiler

[daring pine]

bro

[mossy eagle]

Again, I'm sure endgame will be harder

[jolly flume]

the lanterns guy took me a few tries bc I suck

[sly basin]

||clea was rlly hard||

[jolly flume]

deadass the only game I dont suck at is 14

im built so wrong

[sly basin]

fair

[verbal frost]

oh that a real spoiler

wouldn't open it

[mossy eagle]

But the combat flow "oh that's what the combo is" and then "ok I parry it now"

[verbal frost]

well actually not rlly

[rapid whale]

it's time for your valorant eboy arc to find you a wife

[sly basin]

i got a char doing the whole solo thing

so i have all the solo pictos on

[mossy eagle]

I'm actually spoiled on 99% of the story so it's fine

[verbal frost]

the main reason I say play on expert is because the enemies get more hp and you take more damage

shit like that

like you will literally start destroying enemies on story / normal mode

[daring pine]

level 50 rdm im dead

[verbal frost]

especially if you use Maelle

[clear plume]

Once upon a time edaters.gg wanted me to sign a contract with them to do league coaching on it

[rapid whale]

do you even get full melee combo at 50 as rdm lmao

[mossy eagle]

Yeah I don't mind that lol

Love me a little power fantasy

[sly basin]

if u leave it

[verbal frost]

ye but like even on expert u can feel that

[sly basin]

u can try again

[verbal frost]

that's my point

[rapid whale]

lmao 1 hour of "so level 2 prio is really big for your lane"

[mossy eagle]

Once I do the lumina farm cheese I will be unstoppable

[verbal frost]

but it depends on what u want ig

oh u know about that

haha

ye

[sly basin]

then u can get an alliance roulette that gives more aetherwell

hopefully

[verbal frost]

what dungeon / level are you on

out of interest?

[clear plume]

It was like 4 years ago?

[mossy eagle]

Uhhh I killed one of the main two bosses in act 2 and am heading to the other one

[jolly flume]

be my league coach if I install the game

[clear plume]

I could have been a professional adc ebf for desperate egirls

[verbal frost]

oh you pretty far in

[clear plume]

I’ll help you get into league

[verbal frost]

LMAO

ok well u prob know most of the stuff I said already then

I thought u were on like act 1 or something

[jolly flume]

im so deadass the only reason im considering this is because worlds is in nyc next year and I might go for the hell of it

and if I do I want to know wtf im looking at

[rapid whale]

wonderbread def better coach than me my intel still has nunu support ezreal adc being viable

stat check em to hell

[clear plume]

I’ve had a few supports lock nunu this season but I don’t win those games much

[worn bluff]

RPR is pretty OP there

[rapid whale]

if you actually follow thru on it i'll join you too chiyo lmao

[verbal frost]

that's like the one game reaper is op in

[clear plume]

They go down the mid lane tyler1 style

[verbal frost]

because yes Sciel is the best character

[sly basin]

is worlds the lol thingy

[jolly flume]

yeah

[clear plume]

Yes

[worn bluff]

RPR AST

[rapid whale]

the good old days of -80% atk speed

[sly basin]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-loltyler1-screaming-dead-wtf-gif-17500255

[remote gate]

puts the song never fade away in your head

[verbal frost]

Sciel was my fav

and she has the best outfits

[sly basin]

i used to watch so much tyler1 omg

[verbal frost]

Her and Verso were my favs

[jolly flume]

im lune fan

bet you cant guess what job I play in xiv nowadays

[verbal frost]

Lune is aoe queen

[worn bluff]

lune is best because she doesn’t walk anywhere

[verbal frost]

I'll give her that

[clear plume]

But yeah chiyo get league and bapple can experience

[verbal frost]

Lune has the best aoe

[clear plume]

SWIFTPLAY

[sly basin]

my fav to fight with is verso, but sciel has the best fits (imo)

[verbal frost]

verso is like really good

but it requires getting that one weapon

kinda annoying

[sly basin]

i actually never finished e33

[verbal frost]

ye I mean this isn't really a spoiler

[sly basin]

im like 5-8 hours from the ending

[verbal frost]

but i'll tag

[jolly flume]

I didnt either

[sly basin]

my chars are all lvl80

[worn bluff]

me watching streamers play verso firing a gatling gun

[jolly flume]

bc I started playing it right before the tier came out

[verbal frost]

|| Verso has the best weapon in the game that doubles all of his damage but it requires beating the hardest boss to get it ||

[sly basin]

lmfao i see ppl do that

[verbal frost]

so at that point you've basically done everything

[remote gate]

im gonna throw a guess and say gunbreaker

[verbal frost]

light side content spoiler ig?

[verbal frost]

getting them all to 99 was fun

I think there's an achievement for it

I forgot

[dreamy whale]

I beat every boss except ||simon|| endgame side content spoiler

[verbal frost]

THey announced dlc for e33

like an actual expansion

so I think that's really cool

https://www.expedition33.com/post/thank-you-from-sandfall-interactive

[jolly flume]

man

[rapid whale]

now we get like an exp 18 prequel right /s

[jolly flume]

I was disappointed by split fiction when it came out this year

but e33 was worth it

[verbal frost]

Metaphor is still my goat

[jolly flume]

life is worth living

[verbal frost]

Metaphor re-release when

[pine holly]

I'm currently working through the post game of E33 and I gotta say, you know how the first boss is really goddamn easy? The Everque? I was caught off guard by how much I hate fighting the higher leveled Everque's

[dreamy whale]

Really? I thought e33 was really good

[verbal frost]

oh wait I just read this ngl

do they actually enforce this

[dreamy whale]

Sorry i meant split fiction

[verbal frost]

I'm not trying to get cooked

[rapid whale]

it's more like if a mod says cut it out cut it out

[dreamy whale]

You’re fine we talk about umamusume in here

[verbal frost]

aight

[pine holly]

If people are actively trying to discuss 14 and you're crowding it out with off topic then probably, otherwise I don't think anyone really cares

[verbal frost]

lol the mimic thing

[dreamy whale]

Yea what frank and bapols said

[verbal frost]

they were cute

[jolly flume]

it was fun but it wasn't it takes two

[torn mesa]

@rapid whale we meeting Jon/Chiyo in NYC 2026?

[rapid whale]

naw im a broke ass

[dreamy whale]

Yeah fair

[pine holly]

"Everqueue unleashes their full strength" and the camera shifts like the game is fucking drunk

hate that shit

[jolly flume]

ill facetime stream it to you from inside the arena

[pine holly]

It's just on that attack

[remote gate]

unrelated but did you clear dsr

[torn mesa]

time to make some money selling body

[pine holly]

We're on P7, got interrupted by ddos last night

[clear plume]

I’d sell my body if it meant TL wins worlds

[dreamy whale]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-big-pete-gif-16502006538543255369

[pine holly]

I think the times we saw it someone kept fumbling the exaflare dodges

[rapid whale]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frogs-frog-kiss-gif-8479381718670557517

[pine holly]

or someone forgot to move in on trinity

We'll get it

[verbal frost]

that's what I'm saying bruh the exaflares lowkey hard

the fru ones were cooking me for a while

[remote gate]

fucking bullshit but I am sending clear waves to your next prog session as well as ddos immunity to your lobby

[pine holly]

Yeeee, we'll get it

[verbal frost]

how hard dsr?

[pine holly]

The hardest part so far is just not making a mistake on p6

[jolly flume]

I need my group to clear dsr already so I can go back to having nothing to do in the game and complaining about it

[verbal frost]

if I bring rpr into dsr am I trolling or nah

[pine holly]

No

[verbal frost]

aight

[pine holly]

the dps checks are non existent anyway

[verbal frost]

I was doing UWU one time and they was clowning me for it

[pine holly]

We have to hold a ton

[jolly flume]

holding for what lol

[pine holly]

To not blitz the phases too fast

[torn mesa]

but why

[pine holly]

Kinda exaggerating by "a ton" though

just a little

[torn mesa]

killing phases fast affects nothing

[remote gate]

ive been choking uwu lately and i dont know why

[pine holly]

Cooldowns and mits will be off

[verbal frost]

greed is like the only way you choke uwu

[clear plume]

Hard to raid while asleep, probably

[torn mesa]

fancy way of saying skill issue I guess

there's no mit you need to be up for any part

that is even remotely tight

[remote gate]

like please dont clown on me but I've fucked up a lot lately and part of me thinks it's me telling myself that it's time to actually focus on tea or something else

[verbal frost]

nah I feel

[jolly flume]

idk

[verbal frost]

UWU was my first ulti

Titan was cooking me

I ain't gonna lie

Titan cooked me so much I don't think I ever want to do the fight again

[jolly flume]

choking a fight you know is like

usually just focus issue

if you're not rusty

[clear plume]

Adhdmaxxing

[jolly flume]

I've been trolling fru kinda but im doing it at 11pm sleepy and I havent been in there in like 5 months

[pine holly]

I'm just going off what the healers say, if Thordan dies right after Ultimate End then our Sage just doesn't have Kera

[jolly flume]

and my dmg doesnt matter anyways im just a silly little tank

[torn mesa]

hey Chiyo

[verbal frost]

plp underrated fru p5 that shit lowkey hard a 4min choke check

[jolly flume]

tell them to holos that instead and do the alt kera timing in p3

[torn mesa]

what do we call such a healer.

[verbal frost]

wait ain't you have that tank mech right after tho

[jolly flume]

if you wanna hold you hold I guess but

you dont NEED to

[verbal frost]

wings of light and dark

[torn mesa]

you never needed to hold for any type of content in this game

[jolly flume]

wings light and dark is a neat mech

its pretty free tho

still like it a lot

[torn mesa]

and the main reason to hold is typically to make a DPS check more comfy by letting some jobs build more resources

[jolly flume]

it still kinda pmo that tanks always get to have fun in final phases tho

[remote gate]

this might be it im honestly not focused on this fight anymore

[dreamy whale]

Df was taking a while

[jolly flume]

and everyone else is strokin it

[dreamy whale]

Went to get turkey

Queue pops and i dont hear it

[remote gate]

like i want to do it but im not putting 100% in it anymore

[dreamy whale]

Rip

[verbal frost]

just take break that fight lame as shit anyways

[dreamy whale]

Hru today shiggy

[pine holly]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[verbal frost]

it's hard to actually enjoy uwu in 2025

that's what they need unreal ultimate or just rebalance the fight

[dreamy whale]

Idk IM having fun

Main tank so epic

I always have fun playing warrior tho

Maybe its less the fight and more the job

[remote gate]

im fine work sucked since me and another guy were scheduled for a position that only takes one person to do so

[clear plume]

Cooly is just fighting his inner demons in chat today dw about it

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[jolly flume]

the way ive always seen it

[dreamy whale]

Damn bro this turkey is so gas

[worn bluff]

i get tempted to learn a new ulti but then get indecisive and then end up doing a roulette and log off instead

[jolly flume]

is that uwu and ucob are fun the way that chinese buffet sushi is tasty

it's great until your eyes get opened

to how much better it can be

[dreamy whale]

I’m holding off on ultis for rn because im having a lot of fun playing pictomancer

[torn mesa]

UWU and UCOB are fun the same way using public transit is convenient, until you realize you can drive

[pine holly]

I don't wanna do uwu cause I would get bored

[versed kayak]

I don't uwu would get much better in an unreal format unless they make the first three phases interesting

[clear plume]

One of my exs father was a sushi chef

[pine holly]

Thought I guess I would be done with it rather quickly

so that's an upside

[remote gate]

the difference between phase 1 uwu and phase 1 tea is irmeasurable

[clear plume]

I don’t like seafood is unironically why it didn’t work out but

[pine holly]

(in comparison to dsr)

[remote gate]

like LL is fun as fuck

[pine holly]

We almost did Tea

[remote gate]

but im so inconsistent in doing it these days

[dreamy whale]

Will it be faster to level picto to 84 in dungeons or bozja

[versed kayak]

dungeons

[verbal frost]

ya but that's like the point of unreal

[clear plume]

Dungeons

[jolly flume]

I wonder how much longer itll take us

[dreamy whale]

Ok

[jolly flume]

to be done with dsr

[versed kayak]

bozja is good for leveling if you're also doing bozja stuff already

[jolly flume]

doth at 8 hours is prob like

clear at 20 or so

[dreamy whale]

Idk how to like

[jolly flume]

which means right around christmas

[clear plume]

On the 26th I get to start my favourite thing

Top reprog

[dreamy whale]

Idk how to check what field notes i have

[jolly flume]

man I wanna do more top

[boreal pumice]

look in collectables

[jolly flume]

my friend wants a tank clear

so maybe I go with

[dreamy whale]

Oh

Wait yeah im stupid lol

[clear plume]

Bring me with I want more top

[remote gate]

once a job gets to the lv 80 bracket bozja exp slows down a ton. bozja is still fun to screw around in as a picto though

[clear plume]

[dreamy whale]

Chiyo chiyo

[jolly flume]

whar

[dreamy whale]

I’ll speed run endwalker

[remote gate]

nooo

dont

[jolly flume]

slow down there bucko

[remote gate]

endwalker is fantastic

[boreal pumice]

chiyo gonna end up boosting this one

[remote gate]

anyone who says otherwise youre completely incorrect

[jolly flume]

hey

[dreamy whale]

And then you wont have to play a shitty 70 ultimate

Yippee

[jolly flume]

i dont c41 ppl that I dont think deserve it

[craggy marsh]

would u c41 me in tea

[jolly flume]

when and where

[craggy marsh]

when i'm not lazy

[jolly flume]

I can probably still do that shit in my sleep ngl

[craggy marsh]

and when I get actual tea knowledge

I just wanna raid again

I feel washed

[jolly flume]

yea thats me rn

thats why im forcing myself to do content

[remote gate]

do you want to do tea with me and my friend michi + other ppl

[jolly flume]

or im legit gonna be cooked come the tier

[boreal pumice]

meanwhile me doing ultimate crafting with rng

[remote gate]

do you have the 750 crafted stuff shinra

[clear plume]

It’s ok, you’ll have 3 weeks of practice after patch drop kekw

[craggy marsh]

[boreal pumice]

ofc i had that all on day 1/2 fully penta

[torn mesa]

but Wonder

that is when we farm the wings of EX obviously

!!

[remote gate]

are you okay with a vc full of dumbasses plus ppl insulting uwu pf

[craggy marsh]

that's my jam

[clear plume]

Ok and for the other 19 days?

[remote gate]

excellent ill ask blizz if i can invite another

[jolly flume]

😭

[torn mesa]

you know

we not even farming it over 4 weeks

let alone over the 1 week you're proposing

[remote gate]

rn static are doing uwu just for that totem serotonin and they are progging fru

[craggy marsh]

wait what role would I beee

[remote gate]

fill

[craggy marsh]

Oh good

[boreal pumice]

mascot

[jolly flume]

I'm debating if I even want to bother finishing the wings collection

[remote gate]

they have a full team but they need fills

[torn mesa]

I've got 4/5

[craggy marsh]

i'm ass at melee kek

[torn mesa]

and my motivation for getting the 5th is negative

[jolly flume]

I got the first 2 then stopped caring

[clear plume]

But realistically yeah probably smart to derust if you’re gonna be on application grind (and get those out sooner than later)

[boreal pumice]

just wait for the final wings mount to choose if you wanna do it or not

[remote gate]

ill ask if I can invite mango

[craggy marsh]

okie

i'll be moral support if anything

[remote gate]

ill dm you if blizz says okau

[craggy marsh]

[remote gate]

check dm

[craggy marsh]

epic

[clear plume]

Check week 1 groups and every one of them has a whm it’s cooked for chiyo gang

@jolly flume u can raid with the goat

[jolly flume]

yeah I think healing with her might make up for the extra four weeks of tome gear we get

[clear plume]

Yeah no your raid leader is vile for disappearing this late into recruitment it actually looks so cooked

[jolly flume]

another one lost to the xiv egirls

[remote gate]

leaving because of an egirl is fucked

[jolly flume]

it's ok tho I wormed my way into another group

ngl if I couldn't get a group with people I knew I was just gonna sit this one out

[craggy marsh]

wait what

static lore

[wicked delta]

He explained it alr but

His static lead disappeared bc his egirl ghosted him

And as a result everyone has been leaving

[craggy marsh]

FFXIV raid lead moment

[clear plume]

Make sure to tell your static leader Claire es is recruiting he can get in there

[craggy marsh]

epic

[jolly flume]

she tweeted about him

😭

500 likes

chat is he cooked

[wicked delta]

I saw the tweet but didn’t know the lore attached to it

😭

Until u showed…

[clear plume]

Dm me this shit

[craggy marsh]

falling for an egirl in 2025 mans cooked

[remote gate]

look mango ffxiv brings in some of the best and worst in us

in this dudes case it was his worst

[craggy marsh]

it do be like that

where's the eboys

then it would be understandable

[remote gate]

what type of eboy is the one worth crashing out for

[craggy marsh]

the cute one like me

[remote gate]

[jolly flume]

lf cohealer for life (must play sch/ast, be 5'7 or below, main femra, and be able to make a good ass plate of pan fried dumplings)

some of those pfs under other crack me up man

[remote gate]

i can do one of those things

[jolly flume]

maybe I should try my luck in there sometime

[craggy marsh]

I can eat the dumplings

[jolly flume]

what's even funnier is I met one of my friends through a pf like that

bc we made an lf egf pf for one of our friends

and she actually responded

and we're still chill

[dreamy whale]

Chat hi

I have questions

[remote gate]

hello moo

[dreamy whale]

So like

Should I prioritize getting my motifs back up over damaging

Or

And then is hammer a gain on 1 or should i focus more on subtractive palette

[clear plume]

Get your motifs up whenever you have the chance to cast them safely and you’ll get to use the cd (don’t paint a hammer you can’t use bc boss is at 4%)

And hammers are a gain on 1 yea

[dreamy whale]

Ok ty

I’m trying to like

Figure this out

Casters are a foreign concept to me bc wdym i cant double weave unless i instacast

[remote gate]

hate to sound tired but picto is very free form and because of that its rotation is chill

[dreamy whale]

Oh fr

[remote gate]

for like super precise damage moments the balance is really good for learning the tight stuff

[dreamy whale]

Also you dont sound tired or whatever i just dont know this stuff

[remote gate]

thats the magic that we all wish we had once

[dreamy whale]

Guh

[remote gate]

wish i didnt know all the tanks and how they play so I could experience that magic again

[dreamy whale]

Picto glam

[craggy marsh]

I feel that

[remote gate]

might be a bad take but i hate how simple drk is now

[craggy marsh]

That's a fair take I feel

I hate how drk is sort of war 2.0

[remote gate]

back in ew you had to align blood weapon and deluu together while maintaining dark side

[craggy marsh]

feels like they just ran out of ideas for it

[remote gate]

which was war 2.0 with more steps but DT made drk the very thing of War 2.0

[craggy marsh]

drk is a good tank before any of the drk defence force show up

[remote gate]

build up blood to 100 and its time to use deluu for five bloodspillers + edges

wow you know what other jobs does that

warrior

ya tbn is cool but drk is lame

[craggy marsh]

drk just doesn't vibe with me

[clear plume]

Drk is cooler bc it’s animations at least look cool unlike warrior

[dreamy whale]

Drk weapons cooler

Unfortunately

[craggy marsh]

I hate how drk feels weightless

i'm swinging around a giant greatsword why am I jumping with every swing

[remote gate]

i miss plunge 😔

[dreamy whale]

To this day the only “big sword” class weight Ihave liked in any mmo

Is Slayer from Tera

Which is unfortunate because tera is dogshit

[remote gate]

did you slay 💅

[dreamy whale]

Yes queen

[remote gate]

💅

[dreamy whale]

Peak hours and i cant take advantage of it because im dps

Fuck my stupid pictomancer chud life

[rapid whale]

korean mmo's are notorious for great combat and then paywalling the good content

[worn bluff]

playing DRK first then learning WAR “this is just DRK… but less?”

[dreamy whale]

Less edgy

Less brain need think

So epic

[craggy marsh]

big button

go cleave

[dreamy whale]

Can literally play the job by feel

Great job design 11/10

[worn bluff]

the only interesting thing to me about WAR is gap closer on GCD

[dreamy whale]

Funny warrior secret

You never have it up when you need it

More damage

All of my actual gap closers happen on accident or at the beginning of a fight with no melees

[craggy marsh]

interesting thing about WAR is once an expansion it pisses off healer players for no reason

I hope Xeno clears another media tour dungeon with no healer

[dreamy whale]

Oh also i have developed a bad habit i think

[craggy marsh]

just to make healers mad

[dreamy whale]

Pls tell me if you guys tbink this is bad

I press arms length if i dont feel like interacting with a knockback mechanic

[craggy marsh]

that's based

[boreal pumice]

many ppl do that

[dreamy whale]

Which is all the time

[clear plume]

Weve already told you playing warrior is fine

[dreamy whale]

Lol

[craggy marsh]

unless you know you need it later there's no reason not to press it

[remote gate]

if its a damage gap closer like intervene or onslaught you use them in your opener and then on cooldown for more damage. if it doesn't do damage, use it to close the distance

[dreamy whale]

If i arms length it i get to press tomahawk less

[boreal pumice]

sometimes when im war and beserk i have them odd moments of confusion why i didnt get push back

[craggy marsh]

same

I forget IR does that

[clear plume]

Using arms length for uptime is correct to do, especially when holding the boss

[remote gate]

also thats fine and sometimes necessary depending on the fight. you can also use it to apply slow when pulling mobs

[dreamy whale]

I forgor but

Does holmgang still bind

[remote gate]

yes

but holmgang bind is literally dogshit and breaks a lot

[dreamy whale]

Ic

And thats why we target macro ourselves rifht

[remote gate]

its best to use to macro to bind yourself so holmgang actually works

yes

[dreamy whale]

And yea shiggy i usually w2w and then use arms length + reprisal

[remote gate]

good boy

[boreal pumice]

you rarely need to bind mobs but i have had moments i needed to

[daring pine]

yeah because if the mob you bind..dies

then holmgang just stops working

[dreamy whale]

I die

[daring pine]

yep

[dreamy whale]

Jank

[daring pine]

yuuuup

[dreamy whale]

I like thordan ex bc it has some ass clenching moments on tank

Mostly swords dance and haurchefant

[thin fox]

hey so is the game fucking playable yet

or are still under 100 years of rmt bot retaliation

[craggy marsh]

Starting exAHsquares in

[quick verge]

i love ffxiv

[thin tartan]

js cleared marce in m7 and we got ddosed in loot screen LOL

[rapid whale]

gg..

no loot for marce

[daring pine]

some fucking monkey got legs because i've been trapped in queue for 500000 years

oh NOW i get back in

[rapid whale]

at least you got your clear smile

[sly basin]

do u think we will get a third brute bomber fight

[rapid whale]

hell yea

[novel garden]

Hmm

[raw sand]

so u have brute bomber

brute abominator

what next

[novel garden]

Brute undertaker?

[sly basin]

brutal abomination

[raw sand]

good enuff

uwu

[sly basin]

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-ramattra-gif-27658099

[trim frost]

brute justice :3

[raw sand]

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-brute-justice-alexander-im-here-bitches-gif-15330160

finally, good content

[daring pine]

we went again

and i got no loot

🔥

then we were like ok lets go one more time

party starts fucking up p1 and p2 ???? how

[maiden vector]

Please no

[rapid whale]

f

[dreamy whale]

Fresh prog here we go

[rapid whale]

glgl

[dreamy whale]

Someone had to eep and other pf leads tumby hurt

Didnt see ifrit this time but fresh prog group and i needed to brush up on mechs

[low hearth]

With Fenrir's might, I rouse a storm! 🐺

[rain geode]

Man doing rotation is a lot harder on a boss that jumps around so much

[rain geode]

Might do another set of pulls to be sure I dont think Im taking RPR in Savages its fun but being melee makes that shit hard to dodge

[worn bluff]

which fight?

casting harpe feels bad but at least it gives gauge so you maintain your gauge economy

if the boss is moving a lot

[rain geode]

Arkveld ex

[worn bluff]

o i haven’t done that

[rain geode]

I have like 7 jobs I want to play so Im doing Arkveld to figure out what I want to play for real

[worn bluff]

other thing is harpe is the highest potency ranged filler out of all the melees so it’s not the worst thing

if you end up out of melee range

[rain geode]

Well its also I just find the dodging/being in melee range/doing my burst a massive pain in the rear

VPR I hear is really easy so maybe Ill give that a try as well but thatll probably be the last mdps I try

[rapid whale]

vpr has benefit of being able to store up uncoiled fury

disengaging boss hurts it the least

[rain geode]

but I might just be accepting that I am not playing Mdps next tier

[novel garden]

Im debating coming off mdps next tier knowing for a fact I will probably stay as mdps

[rain geode]

lmao I respect it tho seeing as Ive never played a tier I have infinite possibility

[tepid briar]

my rotation is so hard

glare (pom) (assize) > aero > glare > glare

[novel garden]

Oh wait I'm dumb I was thinking m for melee not magic lmao

[rain geode]

I meant m for melee

Im saying like I dont know what role I even want to play

[novel garden]

Well in my own opinion just goes with what feels good, I started as Sam when I first started savage raiding I wanted to heal but static needed a melee, after not feeling the groove of Sam I tried vpr quite enjoyed it then I got asked to do another melee class because the other static I was in already had vpr so I just been mnk every since

[rain geode]

Well Im gonna be doing it in PF since I dont have a static but the problem is I dont know what feels good since in casual content nothing really makes you think much about your kit

[novel garden]

Hmm I been in statics but I ended up clearing with PF (it's a long story) but I spent a long time with striking dummy to get feel of rotations

[rain geode]

Ive been learning on the job so to speak when it comes to rotations (tho I used to play fighting games so rotations themselves I dont struggle much with) its more doing my rotation and a mechanic at the same time if my RPR game are anything to go by

[novel garden]

Have u done any exs perhaps?

[fierce matrix]

EX's are the best way to get down stuff as a beginner

[rain geode]

I have like 14 clears of Arkveld ex

and Ive been doing the unreal weekly

[fierce matrix]

you are learning mechs and executing them while also doing your rotation. Going for higher parse numbers in those fights is the best way to see improvement to start out

[rain geode]

yeah getting good parses as RPR has proven a pain tho I am also in rags

[fierce matrix]

Its also something to look at with xivanalysis

if you are keeping full uptime, using CDs properly, having bursts timed properly, etc

[rain geode]

its all well and good but honestly the biggest hurdle has been finding games lol

[fierce matrix]

Finding game?

Do you mean like parties?

[rain geode]

yeah you gotta get 7 people, thats a lot of other humans

[valid solar]

taking a quick look at your logs id say on reaper your biggest issue is that you die once or twice every clear, deaths are almost always a guaranteed grey

you did get a green on sch though, thats not bad

[fierce matrix]

Thats normal, most parties fill pretty quickly overall for EX trials compared to other content

[rain geode]

yeah its basically always on exflares (or people baiting aoes into my tower but less I can do about that) handling them on melee is a lot harder then when I was running SCH

[fierce matrix]

First stuff is always not dying and getting a clear with that

[valid solar]

its gets worse, for example, I spent 3 hours waiting in pf for DSR earlier today and the party disbanded after 6 minutes

[fierce matrix]

Look at your logs for those and tweak your gameplay based on recommendations

[trim frost]

@kind elm moaned a little

[valid solar]

I will say though

once next tier savage starts it wont be as bad

because rn you're playing at a time when most high end raiders arent

[rain geode]

yeah gonna need to pick up a second game to play while waiting but thats life

8 people is a lot

[fierce matrix]

Honestly it really isn't

The chaotics fill so quickly and the stuff like forked tower is a bitch to get in cause so many people reserve

[rain geode]

I 'unno seems like a lot of people to get together to do one very specific thing

[novel garden]

looks at wow raiding how many ppl are needed there again?

[rain geode]

sure there are things that need more people

[fierce matrix]

8 people is not a lot at all

The only bottleneck is people playing a specific role tbh

healers mainly

[rain geode]

Its all perspective if it takes 2-3 hours to make a party I consider it enough to be a fair number of peoeple

Ive had a harder time filling tanks myself but support in general yeah

[fierce matrix]

I wish

tanks fill instantly, makes my life hell as a tank main

tanks tend to fill before rPhys and healers on average

most parties will look for that mostly

[valid solar]

in my experiecne tanks and melee dps fills fastest, phys range and healers take the longest

[fierce matrix]

get out of my head get out of my head

[rain geode]

intresting my experience has been running 3 phys rangee because I end up with so many and tank usually take the longest to fill

not that I have the largest sample size

[fierce matrix]

that might be why people wont join your parties

because you aren't setting them up properly

i sure as heck wouldn't join a 3 rphys party, let alone two

[rain geode]

I mean when it take 2-3 hours to set up an arkveld ex Ill take who I can get lol

[fierce matrix]

You wanna set it up as melee, caster, rphys, and then have a slot open to melee/caster and ig if you want rphys

what im saying is like

you wouldn't have to wait 2-3 hours

if I see like a double dancer arkveld party im not joining it that day and ik many people who wont

[trim frost]

i'll lock one of each dps role and then keep the last one for whatever dps

[fierce matrix]

not like its not doable but like....why make it harder

[trim frost]

• have one person per job on of course

[novel garden]

If u set the pf correctly with filtering it shouldn't take that long to fill if I'm reading the conversation correctly

[fierce matrix]

yep

[trim frost]

double melee isn't as crucial for an ex but i do still at least want the full comp bonus yk

[fierce matrix]

+1% per role is v nice

but yeah many people will see parties and avoid them if they aren't set up properly

like youll see people avoid parties W1 in savage cause its not set up that way or they dont have the proper ilvl restrictions based on the tome gear available

[rain geode]

well yeah in a savage Id probably lock it down more

[fierce matrix]

tbh its still that way now

ulti is the same too

EX is really when its current

or when you have a fight like Sphene where you just wanna skip mechs cause fuck ice phase in PF

[zealous meteor]

[rain geode]

guess it cant hurt to give it a try Im gonna put the PF up

[fierce matrix]

Its also like

7-8am

on a thursday

you are NOT getting people at this time lmao

[rain geode]

yeah like I said 8 is a good number of people to try and get

[fierce matrix]

I mean even with a game like Destiny 2 in its prime I would wait 45+ minutes to get 6 people and that had more active players than FF14

You just need to actually play at the times that people are also playing to fill faster lol

[rain geode]

sure if thats an option perfect

[pale blade]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-uma-musume-uma-musume-pretty-derby-cute-anime-girl-kawaii-anime-gif-13987162657640585622

[novel garden]

Filling did get faster when they actually did their PF but the game was already at its shit state

[fierce matrix]

I mean its just realistic sadly

if you can't play at a time where people are able to play, then you are going to have less people to chose from. And its not 8 people is hard to get, its 8 people is hard to get at 8am on a thursday morning

[rain geode]

Ive certainly filled a handful of late night parties it just take awhile and you have to get a little lucky.

[rain geode]

If there any time restriction I consider it a hard number of people to get lel

[fierce matrix]

If I go outside at 6am and get upset there is only one grocery store open does that mean its hard to go shopping or that its 6am and its bad to shop at that time

[rain geode]

yeah because its hard to get enough people to run a store 24/7

[fierce matrix]

so you would say shopping is hard

[boreal pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/night-shift-the-night-shift-welcome-welcome-to-the-night-shift-night-gif-15159580

[rain geode]

It certainly can be I have a friend who worked third shift and constantly talked about how annoing it was with the times stores are open

[fierce matrix]

[rain geode]

I mean, Im right.

not to mention the fact you ideally want 2 tanks (that arent the same) 1 Regen healer, 1 shield healer, 2 Meldps (that arent the same), 1 phys ranged dps and 1 mage

[pale blade]

getting people to fill a PF during the early daylight hours is a fool’s errand

[rain geode]

Ive managed ir a few times but you gotta get pretty lucky and be very patient

[pale blade]

I dunno why you’re doing this but it seems like you’d be content with waiting forever

[rain geode]

because im on rn? what else am I gonna do.

[trim frost]

solo content

blue mage gaming

[pale blade]

You can literally do something else that does not involve waiting for the sky to fall?

[sick dirge]

idk do roulettes or smth

[pale blade]

Roulettes in early daylight hours is fine

[rain geode]

true tho cool thing about this game is you can do both

[sick dirge]

or dont play the game at all and do something else

[trim frost]

if 10 minutes' worth of waiting during peak time will yield the same result as 4 hours' worth of waiting during off time i don't ever see why you would prefer the latter

[pale blade]

Not “ideal” but you are definitely gonna get more people than a PF at 3 AM

[sick dirge]

nodders

[rain geode]

I dont prefer the latter

I simply lack the luxary of a consistent play schedule rn so I play when Im on, If I want to do two things (work on unlocking flight everywhere and running arkveld ex) why would I not set up a PF for Arkveld ex while I unlock flight?

why would I give up entirely on running arkveld ex if its zero cost to just have it open

[pale blade]

“Zero cost” and you slowly feel your sanity slipping and/or you get bored

[rain geode]

???

I mean sure unlocking flight is kinda boring but like I would like to be able to fly

[trim frost]

shoulda done it during msq

[rain geode]

Eh I just wanted to get through msq quick I did for ShB and pausing the story to run a bunch of sidequests was a pace killer

[zealous meteor]

the only zones i don't unlock flight in immediately are the final zones

[amber fable]

Bunch

[rain geode]

Like I already felt like the MSQ spent waaaay to long on the moon dont need make that feeling worse

[amber fable]

Its like 2-3

At most

[rain geode]

Its like four in most zone looking at the aether current thing plus you have to find the aether currents randomly on the map

[trim frost]

prior expansions' aether currents are less random

they are almost always right next to the path you would take during msq

and there's fewer of them

[amber fable]

I always get those first

[trim frost]

ye

[rain geode]

I feel like its half and half if I see one Ill grab it but theres usually 2-3 off the beaten path

[amber fable]

I get riding maps or would now that I got sds

But the map speed boost help to move around till you get flight

[rain geode]

I dont think Ive ever gotten a riding map I just get flight and call it a day