#questions-and-help

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leaden ginkgo
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I see, tyvm!

vital ruin
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how do u set up LoV action hot bar?

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i can't for the love of god figure it out

jade quartz
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Gold Saucer menu > Verminion, and there's a button to edit your minion hotbar

vital ruin
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gold saucer menu?

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where's that

faint flare
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character menu

vital ruin
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o

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wait so there's no separate action hot bar?

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so similar minions in a group of 4 can use actions?

slate arrow
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You'll have to target the minion and activate using the blue and red button on the side of your hotbar

vital ruin
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ya

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but what's the criteria to get the special action

jade quartz
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bar fills up

void hill
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is thordan's armor set in the game

cold quarry
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nope

void hill
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man it would be nice if it was in the game

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looks sick

warm snow
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Waaaaaaaaayyyy too custom and elaborate

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Not to mention capes were basically impossible for player characters on ps3

sudden mango
narrow jay
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Contest rules say the winners will be selected "on or around June 3", so since it's June 3 and there's no other official announcement about it yet, I believe the answer is going to be "not yet".

sudden mango
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yea i just didnt know if there would be an official announcement or they just send the rewards to the winners

narrow jay
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I don't think it would make much sense for a massive public contest to have silent awards lol.

sudden mango
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yea true

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thanks a lot !

fathom glacier
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when does a relic quest normaily come in a expansion, is it 0.4 ot 0.5

vital ruin
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are there any replacement for wind up yugiris to kill odin in LoV?

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are there no replacements

narrow jay
green grail
vital ruin
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nvm got the replacement

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turns out wind up yugiri is not a must for odin

heady gate
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Hola friends, me did buy the limbo boots of fending for drk, at Djole, the item exchange merchant, now my Problem is that I didnt get the Boots? x.x at first I was confused I did check my inv., I thought I just didnt buy them but checked it and the merchant now says cant buy the same item 2x, which means i did get it but somehow not? I didnt discard any items and didnt touch the boots, which me doesnt understand, can anyone help? xd

green grail
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if you can't buy another pair it means you already have one in your inventory

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do /isearch limbo then right click the boots and search for item

heady gate
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alright will try

green grail
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and it will say which tab of your inventory or armory chest they're in

pure zenith
heady gate
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Oooh

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It worked

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Ty alot xd

lunar bay
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what's the best way to re cap the lore after returning to the game? I played through all of ARR

open coral
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There are a few options

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1.) New Game+ - No rewards, just replay the entire story at your current level.

2.) The Unending Journey in any inn room - rewatch cutscenes from any completed quest.

3.) Watch a summary video on YouTube

leaden ginkgo
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Does the extra 3 quests from Beast Tribe after raising a level expire on the same day? or can i take it whenever

narrow jay
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They do, yeah; once reset happens you have three quests for the day.

faint flare
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It's 3 bonus quests for that day only

leaden ginkgo
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Thanks

twilit abyss
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what's this thing? it's a box that opens and closes by itself and is unclickable

winter zealot
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how do i find the house i bid on?

cold quarry
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there are 3 others that are like it I think

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2 pillows and a campfire

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well also sun and moon

twilit abyss
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i have the sun and moon and the campfire

narrow jay
winter zealot
narrow jay
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You have to physically go to that plot.

solemn jewel
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u shouldve remembered which plot

winter zealot
narrow jay
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No, what I'm saying is the entry in the Timers should tell you which plot you bid on. Does it not?

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Can you show me what you're looking at?

winter zealot
heavy wadi
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then you didn't bid

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because if you did it would show up there

winter zealot
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i bid for sure

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at least i thought that but nevermind then thx for your help

blissful meadow
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How many NPCs can you put in a large FC house?

twilit arch
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10

lyric rapids
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are the gold saucer challenges in the log daily?

twilit arch
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no

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challenge logs are weekly

lyric rapids
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then whats the best way to farm MGP during the current event?

faint flare
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!faq mgpguide

zinc orbitBOT
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MGP Guide
slate arrow
lyric rapids
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i see, thanks

plucky jewel
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how to go to central / security deck? it keeps looping me to same places

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the fractal continuum for quest do it for gilly

boreal storm
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Open your map, you’ve definitely missed something

plucky jewel
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oh lol i just stepped on the red circle in front

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it opens the gate

gaunt yarrow
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This is my first time login in on final fantasy but it says that my pass is wrong even tho it's right.

minor fulcrum
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are you putting in the OTP when you don't have one

gaunt yarrow
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otp?

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oh one time pass

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yes

minor fulcrum
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dont

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if you don't have it linked to your account and you put anything in that input, it will reject the login

gaunt yarrow
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how am i supposed to log in then?

minor fulcrum
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leave it blank

gaunt yarrow
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just tried it and didnt work

solemn jewel
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can u log into mogstation with those credentials

minor fulcrum
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And you have the correct square enix ID and password?

solemn jewel
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are u playing via steam? or launcher?

gaunt yarrow
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i'm using the free trial?

solemn jewel
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and did u set up one time password or didnt you

boreal storm
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Then you have to enter it

twilit arch
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if you're free trial you can't have a one time password

gaunt yarrow
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i used the google authenticaor

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you can scan a qr code to get the code

leaden ginkgo
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ive heard about whm vfx "upgrades" through the grapevine... how to I obtain such things

robust crow
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if you're talking about skill animation mods

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you need to set up numerous things before you can do that

leaden ginkgo
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is there a guide somewhere?

robust crow
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you need to install xivlauncher, then penumbra, then download the mod files and import them with penumbra

leaden ginkgo
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ok well ive got the first one

robust crow
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google the installation for penumbra

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it's a custom plugin for dalamud

sly saffron
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Should i pick fixed party or matched party for palace of the dead

leaden ginkgo
sly saffron
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That was a super fast answer lol

boreal storm
twilit arch
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it does

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because fixed means you go in with the group are with

robust crow
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the mod you are most likely thinking of is papachin's job custom animations, you can find them on youtube

twilit arch
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i.e if you're solo, you're going in alone

twilit arch
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so if you're using potd for leveling purposes you should do matched

sly saffron
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Are the queue times always so long for potd

gaunt yarrow
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i guess no one can help?

twilit arch
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lower floors can be long, yes

sly saffron
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Ah ok

twilit arch
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since most people are running 51-60 for exp

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once you clear floor 50, you'll get a check point for potd

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that lets you choose to start at floor 1 or 51

robust crow
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if the client is telling you incorrect password, it's not wrong

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someone already asked, can you log in to mog station with those credentials?

twilit arch
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all i can say is if you're on free trial, you need to leave the one time password field blank

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as you cannot register an OTP to a trial acct.

robust crow
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change your password or something then

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and try again

gaunt yarrow
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okay

robust crow
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we're not sqex, all we can tell you to try is basic tech support

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turn it off and on again

sharp oxide
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So for treasure maps I'm in the location... What am I looking out for?

solemn jewel
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use the dig command

sharp oxide
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Dig?

solemn jewel
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or rather, the dig action. Its in the action menue iirc

sharp oxide
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Aaah thanks

vast ferry
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whats the fastest way to get poetics if you've only progressed up to the end of base stb

boreal storm
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Roulettes, the story
Post-sb content

faint flare
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Doing level cap dungeons

narrow jay
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Outside of dailies, Antitower is probably the fastest x0 dungeon there is.

vast ferry
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already did my roulettes and why story theres huge gaps between dungeons

narrow jay
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no there isn't

faint flare
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Eureka is decent it only if you progressed far enough to be high enough level to get rewards from fates

narrow jay
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And story progresses you farther, giving you access to more content and first-time completion bonuses.

vast ferry
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i think i'm level 25ish in eueka

robust crow
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poetics are ass to farm tbh

boreal storm
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Not at all

robust crow
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better to try and get them as part of something else

narrow jay
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Yeah, it's easier to just let the game throw Poetics at you itself than to actively farm them tbh.

robust crow
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eureka is fine if you attend as many fates

vast ferry
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i'm trying to get to the hyperconductive stage since i want my moonstaff back

robust crow
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msq roulette + wondrous tails is usually a burst of poetics when you need them

narrow jay
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Yeah, that's gonna be a bit.

vast ferry
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i'm on the hyperconductive stage now

narrow jay
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HW relics are easy because they're mostly poetic dumps, but at the end of the day they are poetic dumps.

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So just

sacred apex
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How much easier is Scholar in endwalker compared to SHB?

narrow jay
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let it happen.

faint flare
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Got hella qol

robust crow
boreal storm
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Alice, You did get scaeven gear right?

faint flare
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And benefitted the most out of the 1.5s cast time change

vast ferry
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yeah

robust crow
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almost all your movement needs can be filled by the shorter cast on broil

robust crow
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no more planning assize lineups

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with dia

faint flare
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Sch weaves the most out of healers

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Except astro but they already had the change

robust crow
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true but they had ruin 2 to deal with that

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whereas whm had to just blow a lily or wait for dia refresh

digital lake
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anyone know if the new lyse outfit is dyeable?

twilit arch
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its not

robust crow
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I'm told no

twilit arch
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character outfits never are

digital lake
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😔

twilit arch
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exception being krile's, but that only allows the hair to dye

leaden ginkgo
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In the glam plates can I use the same piece of gear in 2 plates but dyed a different color in each plate? Or do I need 2 pieces of that gear

faint flare
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You can

leaden ginkgo
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Oki ty

fossil bloom
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is "slow BLM" viable? i.e. less spell speed materia and more damage substat materia, less spell speed on gear and more crit/dh/det, etc

faint flare
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Yes

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That's why there's a Crit build and a sps build

twilit arch
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"Speed BiS": slightly higher average output, but less variance.
"Crit BiS": slightly lower average output, but higher variance.

In summary: Both sets are exceedingly comparable in estimated output, so pick a set with a SpS that you feel most comfortable with/can perform well with.
fossil bloom
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okay, thanks

wispy gorge
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Hello uuuhm is there a channel to post for an fc event anywhere?

warm snow
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Your fcs discord?

wind zephyr
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is ||endsinger|| ex or ||hydaelynn|| ex harder?

faint flare
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Ex3

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Ex2 is more on healers really

wind zephyr
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then why does ppl say its easy tho?

faint flare
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Cause they're all easy

wind zephyr
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owhh i see

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past contents are harder?

wispy gorge
faint flare
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On release I would rate older content t abit harder, like Shinyru/hades vs ex3

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Ex3 has 1 real mechanic

wind zephyr
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i see, no wonder ppl call it disappointing

stark hawk
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If I get physis 2, do I still need physis 1 on my hotbar?

faint flare
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It upgrades

obsidian patio
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It upgrades to Physis 2

stark hawk
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oh alright

outer mural
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i would argue it's pretty punishing for newer players who have yet to hone their skills

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mechanically and psychologically (you gotta remember things)

obsidian patio
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Me positioning myself for a mechanic 3 mechanics from now in a perfect spot that allows minimal movement.

Immediately dies after mechanic because I accidentally walked off the arena

faint flare
outer mural
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me getting knocked into the head for t he first 2 mechanics every time

warm snow
robust crow
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recruitment channels maybe?

plucky jewel
ancient acorn
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does anyone know how to make the grass not look so weird and straining on the eyes?

obsidian patio
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Not with external tools/plugins, AFAIK

tawny valve
hollow ridge
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um
is it possible to get back a bonding ring that you relinquished if the partner didn't give theirs away yet

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im logged off right now so can't check myself-

slate arrow
pine ridge
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is there any drawback to getting y our resources approved in firmament

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I can still use them for crafting yea

slate arrow
warm snow
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You can only do so in groups of 10 or 5 for special shit and non fish

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Otherwise the non apprived shit is 100% useless

slate arrow
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You'll see in the crafting log it has to be "approved grade x skybuilders"

pine ridge
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ohhh so theres drawback to not approving them

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i guess ill approve it all

noble orbit
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you should approve it all, else it's just vendor trash in your bags

warm snow
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they're shit even as vendor trash cuz they give you the "this is untradeable" warning

leaden ginkgo
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cock a doodle doo everyone

warm snow
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wrong chat?

leaden ginkgo
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no

warm snow
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sir, this is a help desk

leaden ginkgo
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oh wrong spot

warm snow
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lmao

pine ridge
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what is the difference between skybuilders ore and grade 4 skybuilders ore

viral oracle
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Anybody on console?

warm snow
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one's from the first stage of ishgard restoration one's from the fourth

faint flare
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They're different mats for different recipes

warm snow
viral oracle
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I had a question, I wanted to see if I could use a mouse and key on the ps5

obsidian patio
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Yep

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I use a keyboard purely for typing

viral oracle
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It’ll make life easier 😂😂😂

warm snow
obsidian patio
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console does support KBM gameplay and vice versa

viral oracle
warm snow
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yeah, a cheap wireless keyboard is recommended for socialising

viral oracle
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There’s a kbm combo on instacart for 15 dollars 😂

warm snow
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We take no responsibility if you're using your usb ports for other shit

pine ridge
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if you're looking for barebones keyboard and mouses can be p cheap

viral oracle
pine ridge
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a usb port?

warm snow
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You don't know what a USB port is...?

faint flare
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It's how you plug shit in

viral oracle
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They way you used it made me think you meant something different

boreal storm
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How?

viral oracle
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All I have in my ports is a mic & charger

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I have like two other spaces

pine ridge
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those are the usb ports yes

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usb describes a type of plugin, not a type of cable or device

oak lily
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Universal Serial Bus

viral oracle
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I’m pretty much like an old man when it comes to technology tbh

warm snow
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Anyways it's the standard plug used in most electronics

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including pcs and playstation

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so it's the type of port you'll plug your keyboard/mouse into

viral oracle
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Okay cool

warm snow
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An original ps4 should have 2 in the front and 2 in the back iirc

viral oracle
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I usually just call it usb, but I guess port would be a better synonym

warm snow
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that works, I just call it a usb port, potato pohtahtoe

pine ridge
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usb port is the term. usb is the type, port is what it is.

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but yeah if you say port people will get it

leaden ginkgo
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Why does it keep on saying new characters can’t be made at this time

green grail
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!faq serverlock

zinc orbitBOT
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Why can't I enter this server?

Standard, Preferred, and New Servers will dynamically open and close themselves from newly created characters depending on how many players are online. To ensure you're able to make a new character on your server try waiting or doing so at a less active time of day.
Congested Servers will not unlock for new players or transfers until Square Enix removes the Congested Status.

leaden ginkgo
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What if I pick a diffent world

faint flare
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!faq worldstatus

zinc orbitBOT
faint flare
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See what world's are open (can be abit behind on updates)

leaden ginkgo
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It says the one I’m trying to join is open

faint flare
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can be behind om updates

leaden ginkgo
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Brynhildr

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That’s the one I’m trying to join

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How long does it take for the restriction to be lifted

faint flare
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However long it takes people to log off

green grail
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or to log into other servers

faint flare
leaden ginkgo
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Xp

warm snow
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You really don't need it

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Unless you're planning on levelling multiple alt jobs

leaden ginkgo
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No but I only have 2 days

warm snow
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Doesn't really matter

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EVERYTHING is locked behind main story progress

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And that'll be what's levelling you

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And being above the main story level does you no good

leaden ginkgo
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Then what server should I pick

oak lily
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any

warm snow
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It really doesn't matter

leaden ginkgo
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Ok I picked diablos

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Now I’m sitting in queue

boreal storm
leaden ginkgo
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I’m on crystal

leaden ginkgo
warm snow
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Then change it now?

leaden ginkgo
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So you need the newest dlc for scythe right?

crystal bluff
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To play as reaper, yea

leaden ginkgo
crystal bluff
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You do also have to get another class to level 70 first, as well

oak lily
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a combat job

warm snow
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Which is a case of either buy a boost or progress the story

leaden ginkgo
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what do i need to do to be able to put my glamours into eorzea collection? i have my glamours set up on glamour plates but in eorzea collection it says my character has no glamours

warm snow
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You have to manually do it

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it's a fan website, not official

leaden ginkgo
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oh wait

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i get it now

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it was showing me the glamours that i already sumbittedf

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ty for the help

vital ruin
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do i unlock EW raids and stuff after lv 90 msq?

warm snow
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Yes

vital ruin
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o

warm snow
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Can't do Endwalker post game til you finish endwalker

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Same as every other expansion

vital ruin
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o

leaden ginkgo
warm snow
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Yes

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You won't be level 70 any time soon tho

leaden ginkgo
pure zenith
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well its the starting level of the 2nd expac

warm snow
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Generally, until you get to the second expansion

leaden ginkgo
pure zenith
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at this point people get more confused with arr as an expansion rather than being base

pure zenith
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what?

warm snow
warm snow
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Not stormblood

leaden ginkgo
warm snow
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It's the end level of stormblood

pure zenith
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oh yer right I was thinking of SB as the level 70

leaden ginkgo
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Should I play with keyboard and mouse

warm snow
pure zenith
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ye

warm snow
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There's no advantage

pure zenith
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this game expects you not to rush it

leaden ginkgo
pure zenith
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since the story is like half the content

warm snow
stark hawk
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Whats the best way to get this currency?

warm snow
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Level 90 content

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or rolos as a level 90 job

outer mural
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roulettes are the biggest source

green grail
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roulettes, hunts

outer mural
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for repeatable farm i think your best bet is hunts followed by dungeons

stark hawk
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👍

cold quest
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So, as a Bard should I be focusing on Dex?

warm snow
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once you get out of arr you basically can't equip gear that isn't dex

narrow jay
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So yes.

warm snow
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item level >>>>>> everything else

cold quest
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Ah, alright. Thanks.

hidden crow
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Hi, just found out about the fellowship finder, are fellowships like group chats for whoever joins?

warm snow
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Fellowships are an abandoned pseudo forum idea

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no one uses them except RMT bots

outer mural
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yeah i've literally never used a fellowship in my 2 years of playing

hidden crow
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Oh :/

outer mural
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other forms of communication and networking in-game do the sme thing but better tbh

outer mural
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out of game being even more effective

warm snow
# leaden ginkgo I’m on ps4

Still wouldn't recommend rushing the story, it's the main appeal of the game. It'll take you a while to get through it all even if you rush it

leaden ginkgo
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Should I just buy the game

outer mural
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if you want, it's up to you

boreal storm
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That’s not a decision we can make for you

outer mural
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though it's objectively the most money efficient to maximize your time in the trial

warm snow
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if you want to wait the last 2 days of the sale sure, but in terms of efficiency I'd recommend squeezing the trial for all its got until you at least hit level cap

outer mural
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but i bought mine early if you wanted an anecdotal statement and it worked out fine

warm snow
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it'll probably mean missing the sale but then you'll have more experience to tell if you'll even want to buy the game

leaden ginkgo
warm snow
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I mean the free Trial can easily last you months

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and once you buy the game you'll have to pay a sub

narrow jay
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There will likely be other sales in the future, and yeah, there's a load of content in the free trial.

warm snow
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so if money's of concern....

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squeeze the trial for longer

leaden ginkgo
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does anyone know how far i need to get in bozjan southern front to be able to purchase bozjan gear. (like bozjan coat of fending)

warm snow
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rank 10, finish the First zone basically

boreal storm
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Gotta beat CLL

leaden ginkgo
warm snow
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It's your choice

oak lily
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I mean the game itself is $20

warm snow
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we're just laying out the pros and cons

warm snow
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and it's still only down 18 bucks

leaden ginkgo
warm snow
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We don't control your wallet

boreal storm
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Sales will happen later

leaden ginkgo
warm snow
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pros cons, it's all up to you

lucid cloak
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Weren't you saying yesterday that consistently paying for the game was going to be tricky?

leaden ginkgo
warm snow
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I mean if you save 2 months of sub, that's 22 bucks

leaden ginkgo
warm snow
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anyways pros and cons have been outlined, we can't decide for you

lucid cloak
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If sub is set up then all that remains is the initial purchase

oak lily
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do some chores, idk

warm snow
leaden ginkgo
warm snow
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so planning an immediate purchase

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wouldn't personally recommend but I digress, we going in circles

leaden ginkgo
lucid cloak
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That's rough, the question is are they going fast enough that the money saved by buying early new would be more than the money saved by not paying sub for a few months

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If you're playing multiple hours a day, chances are you'll probably chew through the free trial pretty quickly, then hit the trial wall. In which case the money saved from the sale comes into play.

leaden ginkgo
lucid cloak
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Ultimately it's their choice. A fast player will sub sooner. Someone who doesn't play long sessions or daily can get more value out of the free trial.

lyric rapids
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what does exactly farming FATEs in multiple areas and farming gemstones really give me or unlock for me?

lucid cloak
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Might as well sub then. 10 hours a day will chew through the free content in a hurry.

warm snow
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max out all 6 zones for 2 extra vendors with more goodies in the hubs

blissful meadow
outer mural
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you get stuff like orchestrion rolls, minions, etc

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it's minor cosmetic stuff

warm snow
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triple triad cards

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bicolor vouchers for rare shit

outer mural
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there is also a voucher that you need like a few hundred of to get a mount so it's very grindy

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but it's sellable on the mb so people will buy it with gil to alleviate the grind

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which is a decent source of income in of itself

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also crafting mats but i think their usage is depreciated as of 6.1

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could be wrong though, correct me @ anyone

warm snow
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@outer mural is wrong

outer mural
warm snow
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lol

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they're not as useful, still used tho

lyric rapids
outer mural
outer mural
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as i mentioned, the vouchers and crafting mats

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you can check the marketboard to see what sells the most

warm snow
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oh and lunatender blossom and milk are still used for bis food and pots

lyric rapids
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ok got it, thanks everyone

cursive abyss
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Should I use CEM to recruit for this or can pugs just happen?

warm snow
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CEM?

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just make an 8 man PF

queen gulch
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on the shared fates page what is the difference exactly between the fate icons above and the small square icons below it?

warm snow
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one big icon = 10 small icons

queen gulch
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oh ok, i thought that at first but it only showed 5 and not 6 to make a total of 60

#

but i suppose when it reaches max it shows it differently

warm snow
#

60

alpine shadow
queen gulch
cursive abyss
warm snow
#

Super Echo kicks in

alpine shadow
#

8 man it

warm snow
#

so yes, just 8 man

#

I've done it with 3

frank walrus
#

i'm doing the ninja 65 quest and got a really weird issue i have no idea how to fix, ||i get to the part where i'm supposed to free perimu haurimu, but theres nothing to interact with. i can't abandon the duty and there's nothing to kill that could kill me, in turn. do i have to just wait for the instance to time out and try again?||

alpine shadow
#

i dont think its echo? more like that it scales down

warm snow
#

You literally get the echo buff

cursive abyss
# warm snow so yes, just 8 man

And then I can deffer to CEM, (Special Discord Server on Crystal Datacenter for people who want BA and DRS clears) for DRS

warm snow
#

They're not gonna care for DR normal

cursive abyss
#

Yeah I know

warm snow
#

I mean you can ask them to join your PF, but there's no guarantee they'll care

patent pawn
#

Hi all. So someone just came up to me at random and offered me to trade what appeared to be a rose in exchange for 100,000 Gil. Seems like a bad deal to me. What's going on?

warm snow
#

I think they're giving you both

#

people do that for sprouts

patent pawn
#

why?

warm snow
#

shits and giggles

#

being nice

#

passing on a favour

patent pawn
#

those are mutually exclusive!

warm snow
#

no

#

no they're not

patent pawn
#

so is it flirting?

warm snow
#

I ain't a psychic

#

anyways you can't request a specific amount of gil in trades

#

so they're likely giving you 100k

#

which is honestly

#

pennies anyways

patent pawn
#

nods

#

just trying to get a handle on the culture

pure copper
#

ya think they could let us swift/dualcast teleport/return?

warm snow
#

People have been known to just hang around where new players spawn and give away minons for fun

pure copper
#

as a joke sometime

patent pawn
#

ok. Thanks for the info 🙂

warm snow
#

We want people to enjoy the game

#

there's a reason people shilling the game to friends is such a meme

patent pawn
#

Well it only happened since I changed into a cute outfit, so I assumed the worst

warm snow
#

I mean if you're on one of the rp worlds maybe

boreal storm
#

Eh, as long as they’re not actively being a creep

warm snow
#

don't think we got one on Light

#

!faq worldpick

zinc orbitBOT
#
Which world should I pick?

You can play on any world on any datacenter within FFXIV. Aside from the languages spoken, the physical location of the servers, and the status of each world, there are no major differences. This also means population on a given server is quite meaningless.

The majority of content is cross-world, with the exception of Free Companies, Linkshells, and restrictions when visiting other worlds.

If you don't mind where you play, choose a world that is Preferred or New for character creation bonuses. Check world status by using !status <world name> or via the Lodestone. For information about the status types, use !faq worldtype in #kupo-bot-spam.

Notable worlds:

  • Balmung & Mateus (Role-playing)
  • Tonberry & Kujata (Large amount of Southeast Asian and Oceanic players)
  • Moogle (Large amount of French players)
  • Shiva (Large amount of German players)
    ANY CENSUSES OR WORLD STEREOTYPES BEYOND THIS IS INACCURATE BIAS AND SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY
remote lintel
#

could be but if they said nothing then theyre just probably being nice

warm snow
#

yeah we don't

patent pawn
#

OK. Next time, I'll accept graciously!

leaden ginkgo
#

Guys I did a oopsie I picked monk it looks so complicated

warm snow
#

Pugilist is stupid straightforward for the first 10 levels

#

and you can swap jobs til you finish your level 10 class quest

#

and most jobs won't be simpler

narrow jay
#

It's okay, lol, you can switch jobs once you get the the point in the MSQ where you can change towns, and do your level 10 job quest

leaden ginkgo
patent pawn
#

My suggestion: If you really dont like it, just start a new character - that's what I did

#

saves getting to L10

warm snow
#

which is post Level 50

leaden ginkgo
warm snow
#

I did say EVERYTHING is locked behind main story progress

leaden ginkgo
#

WHY IS ALL THE COOL ONE LATER ONNNN

warm snow
#

lmao

leaden ginkgo
#

Very

patent pawn
#

I started with conjourer. Both actions and town were dull. Changed to arcanist - lovely town and great actions.

warm snow
#

Lancer, ie dragoon shares gear with reaper so would have recommended that

patent pawn
#

Different as chalk and cheese

leaden ginkgo
#

What’s that one character that like dashes at enemies

warm snow
#

but you can't get that til around level 15

warm snow
leaden ginkgo
boreal storm
#

And dancer can just dash period

open coral
#

All casters can "dash" at things too.

warm snow
#

and you can't get that til level 15 as well

leaden ginkgo
rapid stream
#

Just curious but to those who play on a laptop, what kind of temperature do you guys get on both cpu/gpu? :o

warm snow
#

since it's in another city

leaden ginkgo
warm snow
#

I'm sorry Jynx but the shit you want is in another city lol

warm snow
#

insert Toad flipping you the double bird here

leaden ginkgo
#

Lmao

warm snow
#

Also any jobs you pick up this way will start at level 1

#

!faq msqtracker

zinc orbitBOT
#
MSQ Tracker image guide
  1. Your current or next Main Scenario Quest. These unlock a majority of content in the game and MUST be done.

  2. An important Side Quest. This can be your Class and Job Quests, Side quests that unlock big features, or Side Quests that are REQUIRED to continue the MSQ. Look here if you can't continue your MSQ due to needing to complete a duty or sidequest.

By default the MSQ Tracker is located at the top-left of your screen.

leaden ginkgo
#

Oh okay

warm snow
#

@leaden ginkgo just follow the tracker anyways, you can ignore side quests, what's at 2 is more important than what's at 1

silent pumice
#

hey guys should i bother farming out each tomestone set when leveling an alt, or should i skip some?

warm snow
#

Up to you, doing Alliance raid roulettes should stock you on some while levelling

robust crow
#

you should aim to have the highest item lvl you can at each landmark level

#

don't grief level 69 dungeons with the 60 poetics gear

silent pumice
#

damn haha

#

ok thanks 🙂

robust crow
#

so yes, you should try and have a full set ready by the time you hit 50/60/70/80

silent pumice
#

perfect

robust crow
#

and if you don't, absolutely try to have filler pieces in weak slots by the time you hit 55/65/75/85

open coral
#

Personally, I'll gear up my main class, then start gearing alt jobs before they even get to level.

#

So like, I'll take say, RPR, and do roulettes with that for poetics, and use the poetics to gear RPR first, then start grabbing gear for whatever I plan to level next.

lime pewter
#

Idk why, but I wanna get myself a Kinna Trident. Best way to farm Aetherpool?

warm snow
#

running 51-100

cursive abyss
#

Wait, so I cannot unsync DR?

warm snow
#

no

patent citrus
#

look for 8 people with essence and pures

#

the echo will make it really easy to clear it

cursive abyss
#

So I just have to wait for the queue to pop and not just enter with an undersized party?

warm snow
#

DR queue is special

#

it'll pop if it gathers 24 people queueing or after 10 minutes with a preformed grop

#

whichever comes first

#

which is pretty much always 10 minutes now

cursive abyss
warm snow
#

if you've below 24 people you get increasingly stronger super echo

#

which caps at 4 people but regardless it's broken AF

#

that said, if it's your first time you better have a healer since most mechanics inflict twice come ruin

#

instead of vuln

#

if you fuck up a mechanic twice in a row you get doom

#

the end

robust crow
#

I sure hope you and everyone else brought damage essences

#

DR is really miserable when people don't bring damage essences

#

it goes from a 15 minute instance to like a 50 minute instance

outer mural
#

especially low-man

cursive abyss
outer mural
#

they did the bare minimum imho

warm snow
#

that's what the 10 minutes and super echo are for

robust crow
#

it's plenty "future proofed"

cursive abyss
#

I brought this:

warm snow
#

it's just that the essences stack multiplicatively with the the super echo

#

so their buffs are hyper charged

outer mural
#

it's future-proofed but essences are still a big problem, especially when less people are there to tell you

robust crow
#

even without echo, people now have bozja honors and easier access to better essences

cursive abyss
#

Can you stack essences, or can you only have one essence buff applied at a time?

warm snow
#

one at a time

#

ditchthe platebearer

#

defensive essences are completely worthless in DR

robust crow
#

bring more damage

#

bravery is good

warm snow
#

because the danger is twice come ruin

robust crow
#

bring something else that does damage

warm snow
#

not the actual damage

robust crow
#

maybe banner or something

#

idk what tanks run

cursive abyss
warm snow
#

I usually throw on a bloodsucker

robust crow
#

if it gives you any kind of extra healing or defense

#

don't bring it

#

the one exception being reraise pots for yourself

#

you and everyone else in that party want max damage

#

nothing actually hurts in there aside from the guaranteed death from fucking up twice

leaden ginkgo
#

how can i get MGP? Is this event an option?

warm snow
#

Gold Saucer

robust crow
#

!faq mgpguide

zinc orbitBOT
#
MGP Guide
warm snow
#

yes it's optional

open coral
#

Play games at the gold saucer

#

Win Manderville Gold Saucer Points

#

aka MGP

hard ember
#

Where in the game do I find this "Sort Retainers Menu"?

warm snow
#

at a summoner bell

hard ember
warm snow
#

other buttons, I'm not at a bell rn to double check

hard ember
#

Oop you're right

#

I'm blind

#

Thanks

boreal storm
#

do you actually have more than 2?

warm snow
#

You can still sort your retainers with only 2

north aspen
#

hello everyone ! do you know if the roulettes bonus change when we start the q ?

hard ember
#

I was an idiot and stuffed all my unique gear on my 9th retainer, which got locked after my additional retainer service ended tatarucry

#

Now I moved it to the top. It's still greyed out though so I guess I have to buy 1 additional retainer again

warm snow
warm snow
north aspen
hard ember
#

At least I only have to buy 1 additional retainer and not 7 again duckling

obsidian patio
north aspen
#

Thanks a lot !

warm snow
#

wouldn't really be reliable otherwise

north aspen
patent citrus
#

they are cheap, only cost like a few clusters each

#

pures are essence that can only be used in DR

#

also encourage others who join your PF to use pure as well, except the healers

#

they can use aetherweaver/profane

warm snow
#

Dudes gotta be deep in drn by now vielen

hard ember
#

I want Beaumartel (9) to become 4

warm snow
#

Honestly idk

hard ember
#

Because I moved him to the top of the list, bought an additional retainer, but it didn't activate him ):

#

Am I gonna have to buy six additional retainers again to access the stuff?

#

I guess I actually have to either fire retainers 4 to 8, or pay the full price

stone plank
#

Is Shinryu EX soloable?

boreal storm
#

With echo stacks sure
So just get a party if you’re farming

robust crow
#

my friend soloed it on sage at 90 with some trial and error

#

that does not necessarily mean you can solo it but you sure can try

faint flare
#

6.18

warm snow
#

Previous tiers

boreal storm
#

It’s always been .x8

warm snow
#

Your friend is wrong

#

They don't unlock until very late

half canopy
#

how do ppl make minions sit on their shoulder/head

warm snow
#

Depends on the minion

oak lily
#

/beckon

boreal storm
#

/Beckon or waiting

warm snow
#

Well shoulder/head is a race thing

#

Not all minions obey a beckon

jovial quarry
#

Depends on the minion but it’s usually /beckon while targeting the minion.

warm snow
#

Midgardsormr for example is a stubborn sob

jovial quarry
#

Some can’t be ordered to and will instead do it at random.

vast ferry
#

Since there are no job quests after stb only role quests where does job gear come from

half canopy
#

ok 😪

storm sapphire
#

When’s the next lottery period?

vast ferry
#

I’ve seen level 80 job exclusive gear on eorzea collection so it definitely exists

obsidian patio
#

Level 80 comes from Grenoldt in the tempest

#

90 from a vendor that unlocks near the end of the leveling story

boreal storm
#

Do the story ™️
And role quests

vast ferry
#

So not till the end of shb got it

robust crow
#

the ShB and EW base job gear sets can't be dyed

#

you need to complete extra steps to get dyeable versions

vast ferry
#

So like the stb ones then

heavy wadi
#

only for shb

#

not for ew

#

for shb you have to complete an optional extreme trial.

obsidian patio
#

EW still needs extra steps, it’s just a lot easier

robust crow
#

yes for EW as well

heavy wadi
#

for ew just... do role quests

robust crow
#

requires completion of role quests

#

role quests that themselves are not required to finish MSQ

vast ferry
#

But how far in the stiry do I need to be befire I can finish my role quests

robust crow
#

for ShB, toward the end, finishing a role quest is required to finish MSQ

boreal storm
#

You don’t need the gear until the end
So you get it at the end

vast ferry
#

Glams tho

heavy wadi
#

for ew they start after level 85 msq

robust crow
#

for EW, pretty sure you can fully complete the role quest as soon as you unlock them, but each step has a level requirement

heavy wadi
#

the msq brings you directly to them so you know.

vast ferry
#

Looking at the wiki the rewards for role quests are kinda crappy

robust crow
#

the dyeable gear from ShB takes numerous extra steps though, since to unlock the EX trial you have to do a bunch of sidequests

vast ferry
#

Just some food and silver pieces

warm snow
robust crow
#

or if you're lucky, the job you want has a pvp lookalike alternative

warm snow
#

But this ain't the place for complaoning

vast ferry
#

Does blm have a lookalike

boreal storm
#

Blm

robust crow
#

pretty sure the trophy crystal gear for BLM is the level 60 set

#

I think it's only dancer and gunbreaker

buoyant monolith
#

How long does the make it rain event last?

robust crow
#

that have the dyeable 80 job gear as pvp alternatives

robust crow
#

I'm fairly sure that all the pvp alternative gears are the 60 sets except for jobs that don't have a 60 set

#

also noteworthy that the pvp alternatives are all higher resolution and may have slightly different coloring than the default set

warm snow
#

But it appears to be recolors of the jobs first af set if they didn't have a hw one

#

So 70 rdm, 90 rpr etc

robust crow
#

I'm not sure that's a completely true blanket statement

#

since MNK has its 60 set for pvp

#

and they definitely had a 50 AF set

heavy wadi
#

??

#

correct, monk's level 60 af is the virtu set.

copper remnant
#

Hey there, does someone know which post was the one where they recently described what forms of toxicity is not allowed?

heavy wadi
robust crow
#

that's the only job I know of

#

idk if any other job's virtu set is the 50 one

twilit arch
#

Virtu is 60 AF for all ARR+HW jobs

#

70 for sb jobs

robust crow
#

yea that's what I thought

twilit arch
#

and 80 for shb jobs

warm snow
#

Recolors of the first af set IF they DIDN'T have a hw one

#

Mnk has a hw af set

#

So it's the hw af set

patent citrus
#

what's the command to get the date of future patch?

#

or a screenshot from the past live letter, lol

boreal storm
#

6.15 is next Tuesday my dude

patent citrus
#

ah yeah, I usually see someone is taking those screenshot about future patch and their date hehe

narrow jay
onyx arrow
#

can someone help me? how do i change from ps4 to pc without paying an extra sub or is it not possible?

faint flare
#

You don't use an extra sub

#

Sub covers both

boreal storm
#

Gotta buy the pc version

faint flare
#

But you need to buy the game again

onyx arrow
#

oooooh that sucks

#

but alright thank yall

faint flare
#

You get 30days free again as consolidation

onyx arrow
#

after buying the game right?

faint flare
#

And registering it to your account yes

bleak falcon
#

Do weapon coffers drop the Sword AND shield for paladin?

faint flare
#

Yes

bleak falcon
#

Thanks

faint flare
#

The shield is part of your weapon

merry basin
#

anyone know where to find the bind for hiding other players names? the default is x

onyx arrow
#

one more question can i get it from steam and then register it to my acc or no?

faint flare
#

You can

onyx arrow
#

alright tysm

merry basin
#

cheers!

narrow jay
#

o7

deft quiver
#

So, I changed pc a while ago, and i just got my old ffxiv files with hotbars and stuff, or what I think is hotbars and stuff, and i tried just replacing them in the current folder but my hotbars are still fucked up.
The files were found in Documents > My Games > FFXIV on both pcs, but for some reason new pc isnt loading those settings up

#

anyone know why?

#

or know a fix

sacred apex
#

What food is recommended for summoner at the moment?

vestal smelt
#

Does anyone here understand what to do in the ARR relics? I got Star Rod Atma and no clue how to progress. No quest to accept either.

twilit arch
twilit arch
sacred apex
vestal smelt
#

Really?

twilit arch
#

titan or garuda opener doesn't dictate what style you're playing

#

how you are melding your gear does

vestal smelt
#

Why the hell did I do the DRG spear the hard way then

twilit arch
#

if you're focusing predominately on crit, go potage, if you're focusing predominately on sps go sykon

vast ferry
#

Is it just me or is blms casting range longer than healer damage skill range

warm snow
# vestal smelt Really?

It's older design where you have to actually listen to the ncps instead of clicking through all text and then reading the text after

#

!action fire

zinc orbitBOT
#
**Fire** : lvl 2 THM BLM (800 MP) (2.5 second cooldown)(2.5 second base cast time)

Deals fire damage with a potency of 180.
Additional Effect: Grants Astral Fire or removes Umbral Ice
Duration: 15s
Additional Effect: 40% chance next Fire III will cost no MP and have no cast time
Duration: 30s

warm snow
#

No range there

vestal smelt
warm snow
#

Then go back to the npcs

vast ferry
#

It’s just I feel like I had to move way more when I played healers to deal with adds

#

Was curious if I was just imagining things like I do quite often or if there was actually a difference

warm snow
#

It's in your head

vast ferry
#

What else is new prob coulda just checked there instead of embarrassing myself by asking stupid questions but leave it to me to not think of an obvious solution

sacred apex
twilit arch
#

its personal choice

boreal storm
#

Either

twilit arch
#

im old and don't like change so i play crit

#

but some people like the speeeeeeeeed of sps build so

neon elm
#

I can't get past that huge battle in 5.5 death unto Dawn. It's just way too hard for me. Any suggestions? I really wanna get into endwalker and I've never had a problem getting past anything until now. So frustrated.

faint flare
#

Toggle very easy mode

boreal storm
#

Very easy or listen to what the game told you in dialogue

faint flare
#

It's there for a reason

frosty forge
#

how do I find the list (called something like sylph*?) that listed what creatures you need to kill in each area?

obsidian patio
#

Hunting log? In the log section of menus

boreal storm
#

Hunting log press H

frosty forge
#

thats it, thank you!

vocal birch
#

where is the make it rain vendor?

boreal storm
#

Near the usual gold saucer vendors

vocal birch
#

tyty

deft quiver
#

whats best 80 to 90 grind?

#

stopped playing like day 2 of ew so have a bit of catching up to do

boreal storm
#

Story
Dungeons/bozja for Alts

vestal smelt
#

I have the Atma rod rn, and don't know to to progress

twilit arch
#

oh i didnt see

#

but regardless the reddit post i linked lays out how to do the ARR relic quest chain

vestal smelt
#

Yeah, its just that G'ju-whatever isn't selling me the books

twilit arch
#

have you already done the animus step previously?

vestal smelt
#

yeah, as a Dragoon

#

I finished the DRG relic already

twilit arch
#

can you post a screenshot of her dialogue when you talk to her?

deft quiver
#

but wanna get another class to 90 bc dont wanna tank lol

fluid oracle
#

how do i get this emote

twilit arch
#

with mods

#

its npc only, otherwise

split dust
#

when the savage lock will be removed from pandaemonium?

boreal storm
#

6.18

sage fjord
#

So im going for the oh so grindful Magicked Card mount. Do I just need 312 cards or do I have to get them all in Endwalker now aswell?

boreal storm
#

Only the stuff that was in SHB
No protag cards either

sage fjord
#

Awesome. That makes it alittle easier

obsidian patio
#

Specifically, all the cards from #1 to #312, so getting EW cards won’t help you with the achievement/mount

fluid oracle
#

meaning? servers just clogged?

primal gull
#

Yes

#

Make it rain means queues for leap of faith will be long

#

Because people stick around in the instance after they are done

#

As long as you're in queue you will get in even if the GATE ends before your queue pops

fluid oracle
#

best things to redeem from GS or are they all cosmetics? even so, best cosmetics?

boreal storm
#

Subjective, the answer is buy what you like

obsidian patio
#

It’s all cosmetics

onyx frost
#

are all the field enemies in heavensward tanky or does my damage just suck

boreal storm
#

Are you geared up

onyx frost
#

still using the augmented allgeran weapons but any chance i can replace my equipment i do

obsidian patio
#

Expansion thing

#

All expansion overworld enemies are much tankier compared to 1-50

#

So unless you got self-sustain, you can generally only 1v1 enemies

obsidian patio
#

If you meant ironworks then that’s the best you can do until you have access to level 54+ stuff

onyx frost
#

augmented allagan sorry. as for 54 stuff where can I generally find better equipment? most of the stuff I find in shops isn't any better than what i already have stat and damage wise

obsidian patio
#

Do you mean replica Allagan? If so that’s glamour gear

fluid oracle
#

yeah i want subjective opinons

obsidian patio
#

And there’s an invisible shield glamour if you play Paladin and want to hide the shield

onyx frost
obsidian patio
#

Head to a blue bag vendor in the starting cities to spend tomestones of poetics on ironworks gear

#

It’s item level 130 and the best possible gear at level 50-53

#

You get poetics from level 50/60/70/80 content and from doing roulettes as a class at level 50 and above

#

If you didn’t spend any since hitting level 50, you should have a ton from the story

onyx frost
#

ogotcha i think I have a lot leftover from doing crystal tower and the coils with friends

#

wyrm dreadaxe on warrior and the allagan on samurai

obsidian patio
#

Get the weapon first for SAM, and then replace whichever slots of gear are your weakest

onyx frost
#

alright cool. also where is curious gorge once you start heavensward? he still on costa del sol?

boreal storm
#

Look at your msqtracker

sacred apex
#

How many tomes of Aphorism can I usually get from a hunt train? Trying to get my ilv to 590 I’m just a day or 2

pearl mesa
#

Is there a way to turn off notifications to my FC when I log in?

#

Sometimes I'm just not up for dealing with them any more.

fossil trench
sacred apex
cursive abyss
#

What can Bozjan Gold Coins be used for?

pearl mesa
#

Bozja equipment. Used to be pretty solid lv80 equipment, now beaten by Cryptlurker; only really useful if you expect to do a lot of Bozja.

fossil trench
#

Daily roulettes with a max class might give you some

sacred apex
cursive abyss
#

Which do you prefer to farm in?

#

And why do people tell me I should do it as a BLU Mage?

fossil trench
boreal storm
#

Because blu is broken

leaden ginkgo
#

Man it’s annyoing when the world doesn’t let you create your character

boreal storm
#

It’s peak time, try again later

sacred apex
leaden ginkgo
boreal storm
#

Morning

leaden ginkgo
#

Bro I’m gonna have to wait till morning

regal pawn
#

you have to do 3/6
and it's split into 3 sets of 2

#

and they recommend blu because

#

!action ultravibration

zinc orbitBOT
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**Ultravibration** : lvl 1 BLU (500 MP) (120.0 second cooldown)(2.0 second base cast time)

KOs all nearby enemies afflicted with Deep Freeze or Petrification. Has no effect on enemies whose level is higher than your own, and certain others.
Shares a recast timer with certain blue magic spells.

Blue Magic

By manipulating aether to imitate the minute wingbeats of a kongamato, a caster generates an ultrasonic wave which ripples visibly through the surrounding air. The vibrations are lethal to frozen or petrified targets, causing them to shatter with dramatic force.

Obtained

Kongamato / The Peaks (11, 25)

Blue Magic

Type: Magic
Aspect: None
Rank: 1

regal pawn
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you can instant kill mobs

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and BLU is just boosted

cursive abyss
regal pawn
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base blue only has water

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and is lvl 1

boreal storm
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You haven’t played blu have you

cursive abyss
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No I have not

regal pawn
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you need to level up to 70 (which is easy with a friend, like 2h)

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and then colelct spells

deft quiver
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is it possible to hide the gear set number with macros?

regal pawn
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BLU doesn't unlock things through level like normal jobs

sacred apex
regal pawn
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hunt trains do A ranks

cursive abyss
regal pawn
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kill shit after it casts shit

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get the spell

boreal storm
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No quina functions like a blu mage
Blu was first

regal pawn
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👏 congrats, you're blueing

open coral
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BLU functions pretty much the same way it does in other FF game appearances.

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Find the enemy that has the spell you want > kill the enemy after seeing it cast the spell/ability > ??? > profit

cursive abyss
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What can a limited job do, versus what it cannot?

regal pawn
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limited to 70

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can't matchmake duties (has to be premade)

boreal storm
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It can’t queue

open coral
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Basically it's "limited" because it has a lower level cap and can't do random group finder content.

regal pawn
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can't do Bozja, Eureka etc.

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it's basically just fun side content

modest igloo
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No potd, hoh, ultis, too

cursive abyss
open coral
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Outside of that, it's an extremely overpowered job that can be used to make farming in the open world significantly easier.

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It's fantastic for relic farming since even syncing down doesn't eliminate its power

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So you can just farm FATEs

boreal storm
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Because as stated, blu is BA-ROKEN

regal pawn
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It's broken

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so yea

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Like if someone asks what's the most broken job

cursive abyss
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Can you cheese the leveling process with BLU and just buy a level potion for BLU if you're a lazy son of a gun?

regal pawn
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We say blu

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no

regal pawn
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there's no boosts for blu

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BUT

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you can "cheese"

open coral
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There are no level skips for BLU

regal pawn
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by having a friend and you go to a lvl 70 area

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like kholusia or amh araeng

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you slap the lvl 70 mob
friend kills it instantly

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👏 big xp

open coral
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BLU gets a baseline buff to kill xp since they can't do leveling dungeons and roulettes though.

regal pawn
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give it like 2h
👏 you're 70

open coral
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Which is why the above method is preferred for leveling it

sacred apex
boreal storm
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Let the professionals handle it

regal pawn
fathom glacier
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whats a good use for centurio seals

modest igloo
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it's what they're most useful for

cursive abyss
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@regal pawn If I invest time into BLU, will it help me with future relic grinds and not just ShB, do you think?

regal pawn
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we don't know wtf the ew relic will entail

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if it has anything in the overworld
blu time

quartz storm
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Does anyone here know when the next house lotto is

regal pawn
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blu can be used in dungeons tho

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so technically can speed up anima relic since you can just bang out ARF really fast for poetics

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same with the fates for atma thingies

primal gull
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That doesn't work actually

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You need a relic equipped to get atmas

regal pawn
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for HW?

primal gull
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Atmas are ARR

regal pawn
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oh wait

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elemental crystals

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not atmas lmao

primal gull
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Yes, that will work

worn lantern
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what would be the fastest way to level up pvp series rank? CC gives 700 if you lose and shorter wait to get in and out but Frontline gives 1000xp and takes 20 minutes

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but i only ran frontlines once so idk which would be better

regal pawn
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CC

obsidian patio
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CC any day

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longest CC matches i had were up to 10 mins
which is still far more efficient than 1k for 20m

obsidian patio
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So it’d look something like
/macroicon Sage classjob
Or

/macroicon “Black Mage” classjob

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Unsure if it wants the shorthand abbreviation

worn lantern
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ill have to run maybe 80 cc to even get to series lvl 20

regal pawn
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that's 5h straight

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assuming average match is 4m

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which it won't be

worn lantern
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jesus just for some armor

regal pawn
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run casual

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they last like 3m at most usually

boreal storm
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You have like a month and a half to do it
5 hrs is nothing

worn lantern
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thats what i been doin

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my teams keep gettin insta wiped and we lose

obsidian patio
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Still good experience

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Only loss of 200 compared to winning

worn lantern
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outta like 50 matches i only got to win like 20 which is fine but i wanna level faster

deft quiver
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/micon BLM classjob works btw

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so shortened class name works too

narrow jay
quartz storm
deft quiver
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eureka still somewhat alive?

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or just completely dead

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got to lvl 58 before ew and never got the raid done