technology-discussion

[humble eagle]

neither of us have played since the new account linking went through in March, so I don't know what steps i need to take to do that

[modest moss]

this is the article SE published

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/4c39f8a03713f8fcbab25ebf908c16837c5faaba

[humble eagle]

Yeah we both read that, but all it says is

To link accounts, the Steam account must possess a FINAL FANTASY XIV license that matches that found on the target Square Enix account/FINAL FANTASY XIV service account
tldr "go look at the license keys on your steam acc" but like... what do I actually DO?

[modest moss]

I don't use steam for xiv sorry, maybe ask #questions-and-help they're usually on point with account related things

we're better if your computer explodes

[humble eagle]

gotcha will do, thanks

[deep sapphire]

https://youtu.be/uZOOC4WTGOI

189 pounds of boost

[hard drift]

Jesus burning brakes smell awful

[deep sapphire]

AMERICAN MADE BABY

[hard drift]

American made trash /s

[deep sapphire]

[hard drift]

Well back to partying i go

[fair parcel]

[deep sapphire]

Let’s go beat his ass

[fair parcel]

let's go

[hard drift]

Smh then why don’t you support ford lol

[deep sapphire]

Because I don’t buy garbage

[fair parcel]

^

he does

undercover Ford guy

[deep sapphire]

Saved

[fair parcel]

I saw his betrayal of Milwaukee

nooooooo

[deep sapphire]

[hard drift]

I’ll post ford proof when home

[deep sapphire]

I DONT OWN A FORD

[fair parcel]

that is out of order on mine

[hard drift]

At a brewery atm

[deep sapphire]

THAT IS MY TRUCK

IT SAYS CHEVROLET ON IT

[hard drift]

Lies

Show me you driving it

We know you drive and smell like a ford

[modest moss]

look

let's keep to the important issues

[fair parcel]

I can't even defend my Ford

[hard drift]

True lol

[fair parcel]

brand new, AC broke for like 3 repair visits

[hard drift]

Wtf

[deep sapphire]

Can’t argue with that

[modest moss]

MY thot though

[deep sapphire]

Can’t wait for your ecoshit to blow a cam soon

[fair parcel]

lol

[hard drift]

[fair parcel]

think my starter will go soon

[deep sapphire]

[hard drift]

[deep sapphire]

Technology

[fair parcel]

I kinda hate the auto turn off stuff tbh

like I'm all for saving the planet but it is annoying

[deep sapphire]

The ford ones are bad, my brother has a fusion and it jerks the whole car lmao

[fair parcel]

yep

[deep sapphire]

Dodge did it right with the eTorque system

[fair parcel]

and then just trying to take off when a light changes

[deep sapphire]

Yeah ikr some dickhead in a ford in front of you

[fair parcel]

lol

[deep sapphire]

I should go to Menards

[hard drift]

That dickhead is you

[fair parcel]

when I first got it I swore someone rear ended me when it did it

[deep sapphire]

I’m bored

[fair parcel]

like wtf

[deep sapphire]

I DONT HAVE A FORD

[fair parcel]

oooh love Menards

[hard drift]

Come drink with me 🙏

[deep sapphire]

No

I don’t drink

[hard drift]

😔

[deep sapphire]

SAVE BIG MONEY AT MENARDS

[hard drift]

Lol

[fair parcel]

all I do is spend money though

[deep sapphire]

https://youtu.be/sweH1131Vw0

A Midwest classic

[fair parcel]

it truly is

[deep sapphire]

Walking into Menards be like “yeah I’m looking for the uuuuuuuh… uuuuuh thing”

[fair parcel]

my local one used to be loaded with hotties, but not anymore

[deep sapphire]

That’s what happens when you forget to send in your 11 percent rebate

[fair parcel]

haha I have a pile on my desk right now I need to send in

[deep sapphire]

[fair parcel]

if it isn't too late

[deep sapphire]

You wouldn’t have even done it had I not said anything

me too

[hard drift]

Wtf is a hotties

[fair parcel]

hot grills

[hard drift]

Oh

[deep sapphire]

Yeah, kingsford

Kingschevy**

[hard drift]

There are some here lol

[fair parcel]

[jaunty light]

What are you having, an extra tall glass of milk?

[hard drift]

Some random ipa

Never really had beer

[deep sapphire]

Ugly pfp change it back

[deep sapphire]

Well you chose a bad option

Drink cheap American beer

Be a true patriot

https://i0.wp.com/photos1.blogger.com/blogger/575/1335/1600/hank-sketches-composite.jpg

https://youtu.be/ubsD_Lg2pJg

@jaunty light

Back when black and decker was a good brand

[hard drift]

Lol why

Having some other ipa now, it’s darker

More hoppy

[deep sapphire]

Lmao that screwdriver, slow as fuck

Wait I tagged the wrong person

@fair parcel

[deep sapphire]

IPA is bitter

7.2v tools

God damn the power!

[jaunty light]

drink da right IPAs

[deep sapphire]

Shut

[hard drift]

Yeah it was eh i like less hoppy

But i know now lol

[jaunty light]

don't go for weird microbreweries with hops you've never heard of, it's bound to taste rank

[hard drift]

I mean I haven’t heard of any lol

[jaunty light]

I like mosaic, citra, crystal, carapils, and munich mostly

amarillo is also good

oh and cascade*

[fair parcel]

lol that is soooo slow

[bitter girder]

based

[sly elk]

My Jeep sadly doesn’t have that

[jaunty light]

Love slime girls

[deep sapphire]

https://youtu.be/EVZmwA9knLc

[boreal surge]

Not an IPA person, luckily brewery in front of my house focuses on not IPAs

[deep sapphire]

Tool sale!!!!

[jaunty light]

pittsburgh

[deep sapphire]

The tap and die set is good fuck you

[fair parcel]

Captain Crunch

[jaunty light]

[deep sapphire]

HUH

[sly elk]

PITTSBURGH

suddenly i'm reminded of those cheap torque wrenches with the needle

[deep sapphire]

https://youtu.be/nAq8jeICgfs

@hard drift

[hard drift]

Yeah, i saw that a while ago

[hard drift]

Get with the times boomer 😉

[deep sapphire]

Oh it says 3 weeks

[hard drift]

Lmao

[modest moss]

if I buy that 3070ti, it really needs better than a 1080p 75hz monitor, doesn't it?

[hard drift]

I mean it doesn’t need better but it’s ultimately wasted if you go that high with that monitor

[modest moss]

my quandary is buy this, build something, then a monitor too, effort

[hard drift]

Lol

[modest moss]

or buy a decent laptop

[hard drift]

Laptop won’t last as long though and wear and tear for laptops is terrible 😭

[modest moss]

do I need better than a 12400 with a 3070ti

[hard drift]

I mean not really especially if you upgrade the monitor

Higher resolutions require less powerful cpus

[modest moss]

hmm

I hate tech btw

[hard drift]

Lmao

I don’t blame you

Tech is hell but also fun

[modest moss]

if I go bigger than 12400 I need to get better than a hyper 212 cooler too, don't I

[hard drift]

Depends, i would go higher than a 212 but could probably get by with the 212 if really needed

Of course, I’d see how much you can get say a d15 or something similar for prime day

Or a darkrock pro 4

[modest moss]

noctua is 3x the price

[hard drift]

What about darkrock pro 4?

[modest moss]

£71 vs £29

[hard drift]

That’s why i said maybe prime day

But not terrible for like double cooling potential

[modest moss]

I probably only need that if I go like 12600k though I'd imagine?

[hard drift]

Dark rock pro 4 and d15 are both like 230w or something

[hard drift]

It’s probably still overkill for it

Could go with a lesser one but idk the cooler range atm would have to look them up

[sly elk]

-shrug-

[modest moss]

?

[sly elk]

i think theyr'e right

those 12th gens run hot

[hard drift]

Intel has ran hot especially since 9th gen

[sly elk]

if you were in the us i'd suggest a refurb corsair or arctic, but ya know, a dark rock pro 4 costs about that much lol

there are other brands of dual tower 120mm that are still good though

also it looks like it's a good thing i never bought that cyberpower ups 😄

[hard drift]

Scythe fuma 2 i believe is another good one but i have 0 idea on pricing

[sly elk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/voy9kl/cyberpower_cp1500pfclcd_fire_hazard/
bit of a scandal unfolding lol

[hard drift]

I’ll look at options when home if i remember

[modest moss]

my main consideration is whether I order that 3070ti at msrp while it's there or I sit tight and see what happens

[hard drift]

Sit tight, stock will 100% be fine

[modest moss]

I can't imagine getting a much better deal on a gpu though

it's the only thing in stock

[hard drift]

Orders for next gen gpus were cut because of so much stock by amd/nvidia and demand lowering

[sly elk]

which one?

[hard drift]

FE

[sly elk]

oh dang those are in stock?!

[modest moss]

so I'm like, should maybe just grab it, idk

[hard drift]

I mean if you are 100% going to upgrade not bad to get it now

But at 1080p you’re going to gain a lot from the cpu anyways

Gpu will also give a huge increase in certain scenarios

[modest moss]

I have a little more cash than I expected, but don't want to be silly

[hard drift]

Understandable 🙏

[modest moss]

3 year warranty on the FE isn't bad either

[hard drift]

Yeah

[modest moss]

but if I buy a laptop it just works, and I'm kinda lazy these days

[hard drift]

Lol but then you’re in this boat again a lot sooner

Not to mention if your cpu is fine gpu is just slot in pretty much

But you said cpu might be dying

[sly elk]

todays' gaming pc is tomorrow's file server

today's gaming laptop is tomorrow's boat anchor

[modest moss]

it's a 4690k, the board/ram/ssd/cpu are 8 years old

then it has a gtx 1080 thrown in

mate gave me the 1080 when he went 3090

[hard drift]

Yeah, it’s high time it gets upgraded 🙏

[modest moss]

maybe I'll just see what deals dell have on alienwares

[hard drift]

Oh gosh

[modest moss]

🎣

[hard drift]

Alienware 😭

[modest moss]

I would build before that

[hard drift]

Good

[modest moss]

so I was thinking a 5900x build

every fucking mobo I add to pcpartpicker goes NAH MATE BIOS UPDATE

fucking AMD

[jaunty light]

[hard drift]

Go for x570e or whatever it is

No chipset fan and 99% chance won’t need an update

[modest moss]

even those do it

and it's just getting expensive

[hard drift]

That’s usually a warning not always the case

Same with cooler dimensions and shit

[modest moss]

not willing to take the risk I don't think

sending shit back is effort

[hard drift]

I mean you have a working pc to download the bios onto

Then just flash it with flashback or whatever since most motherboards have it

[modest moss]

lolno

[hard drift]

Why?

[modest moss]

I'm old and tired mate

[hard drift]

😭

[modest moss]

like

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/NGhL4s is 700

plus 560 for 3070ti

plus what, 300 for a 1440p monitor?

that's over 1500 quid

or I just go £1300 on https://www.box.co.uk/82JY00GWUK-Lenovo-Legion-5-17-AMD-Ryzen-7-16GB-RAM-_4095717.html

and it won't be quite as good but it'll be pretty sweet and minimal effort

[hard drift]

lol true

[hard drift]

also that cpu cooler will be about the best for that price point without relying on something like prime day

[modest moss]

looks like 12400 isn't a huge amount better than 5800h either

[hard drift]

lol

[modest moss]

fucking tech

why can't they just make 1 thing

[hard drift]

laptops and power limits tbf

[modest moss]

power limits kinda good though, a 17.3" screen at 1080p will look great, and using less power saves me money on bills

[hard drift]

i mean yes but also if it has thermal headroom it will boost so no guarantee it'll be much better than the desktop one

but yeah it'll be better power wise overall because no dedicated gpu anymore and no desktop cpu

laptop gpus don't count since they're gimped lol

[deep sapphire]

https://youtu.be/YYBggcWzsB8

Crazy editing

[hard drift]

i clicked this on accident and it interrupted my music 😭

[hard drift]

what do you mean?

some of it will still be saved no matter what because of cache, if it didn't discord would constantly be slow to run especially if changing channels/servers

[sly elk]

oof someone compared the speakers on the new studio display to audioengine a2+

"Sound: great. Sounds very similar to my Audioengine A2+. Maybe a bit more bassy, but less wide. Actually wrote some music in Logic and it worked better than I expected."

i'm not sure if that's good praise of the apple display speakers, or knocking the audioengine speakers lmao

[modest moss]

@hard drift that laptop is a trick

[hard drift]

?

[modest moss]

windows 11 installed

[hard drift]

lmao

[modest moss]

fuck that

[hard drift]

i mean that's going to be a lot of laptops now sadly

[modest moss]

same website has the w10 version, exact same hardware, £100 more

[hard drift]

windows 10 is far superior is why

[sly elk]

m,y favorite boat anchors are dell precisions

[sly elk]

they're like $3000 and built like walmart laptops

[hard drift]

totally worth 100 dollars extra /s

[hard drift]

tbf the windows 11 is one sale

otherwise they're the same price lol

[sly elk]

-flicks monitor-

-it wobbles-

[hard drift]

🤢

[modest moss]

Bidori come build me a pc

I cba

[hard drift]

i mean i would but i'm not paying for that ticket lol

[modest moss]

that 3070ti will be so much better than the 3070m

[hard drift]

well no shit lol

[sly elk]

haha i feel that sentiment shue

[modest moss]

[sly elk]

i mean idk

maybe doing it in a nice fractal or lian=li case with all those cable management channels and stuff

maybe it's easy then

[modest moss]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/NGhL4s

that's the maybe list

[sly elk]

i wonder about those backplane power boards they sell now

i doubt it makes building any easier

is that mobo any good?

[modest moss]

fuck knows

[hard drift]

it's your typical low end board, it gets by and is a popular model for the low end for both amd/intel

[modest moss]

I've had good experiences with gigabyte mobos

[hard drift]

same 🙏

i went to a gigabyte board after my asrock one gave me hell 😭

and it does so much better aside from it not having a debug led readout

[modest moss]

I guess one option is buy that FE GPU today, even prime day won't beat that price

[hard drift]

i mean prime day won't have that gpu lol

[modest moss]

then buy shit during prime day to go with it

[hard drift]

the founder model is pretty good anyways

[modest moss]

might find deals on monitor, storage

[hard drift]

100% will find some

[modest moss]

I suppose the question is how much more will prices drop on other things and how soon

3070ti FE is the same price as some 3rd party 3070 now

[sly elk]

Usually I see gigabyte mobo, intel cpu, and gpu

That’s a hafkinrosh rig!!!

[hard drift]

price drops won't likely happen until we have official release dates for next gen stuff or things like prime day but i don't see anything else really

[modest moss]

prime day here is also much worse than yours

[hard drift]

yeah, but a sale is a sale 😔

i'm hoping the thing i want goes on sale

otherwise i'm stuck paying full price for a new audio interface 😭

[sly elk]

prime day here sucks xD

it's basically
"get a cheap fire or kindle or amazon microphone thingy!"

[hard drift]

lol

[sly elk]

"don't you want a smart home?!"
"hey if you spend $50 on amazon we'll give you an echo dot for free"

"aw fine we'll just send you one of these things anyway"

"come on! plug it in!"

"let us hear your dirty gossip!"

[modest moss]

I wonder how much value I'd find in swapping in a 12600k, Z690 board and the noctua cooler

[sly elk]

the only actual bargains were amazon crap

[modest moss]

last prime day I did get a banger of a deal on an open box tv when they added warehouse deals price cuts

[hard drift]

don't go z unless you plan on overclocking really, it's a useless chipset for your average user. go B or H70(h70 being higher of the two) if anything since you don't need the overclocking

[modest moss]

so don't bother with k either

[hard drift]

pretty much

the K will still boost higher generally though

it also looks like for some odd reason the K gets the efficient cores while the none K doesn't

but that's unique to 12th gen so i learned something new lol

otherwise it is "10 core"(12600k) vs 6 core (12600)

[sly elk]

sooo

if you get a 12600 does it oc better?

[hard drift]

lmao i mean you "can't" overclock it

[modest moss]

12600k is 125w tdp vs 65w on the 12400

that's a chunk

[hard drift]

i mean that's also just base

that's 12600k

that's 12400

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/turbo-gif-23415339

[hard drift]

atleast intel was upfront about it this generation for the most part though

[modest moss]

88w tdp listed on 4690k

[hard drift]

yeah but if you put it under load i promise you it draws more

[modest moss]

so I'm guessing 12400 will average around the same

[hard drift]

tdp is pretty pointless

[modest moss]

yeah just gives me a rough idea

[hard drift]

yeah

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-fire-gif-18709628

[hard drift]

this is supposedly the max though for the 12400 if you go with that

[modest moss]

3070ti gonna cost a lot more to run than my 1080 though

[deep sapphire]

Good

[hard drift]

what 1080 do you have?

[modest moss]

asus strix something or other

[sly elk]

mmm those are nice

[deep sapphire]

Get the 3070Ti so you can complain in here like everyone else why your ffxiv frame rate didn’t go up

[deep sapphire]

[hard drift]

this is the 3070ti fe

so it's about the same

[modest moss]

interesting, google told me 180w for gtx 1080

[hard drift]

yes but that's base spec

[modest moss]

Hank, Bidori tried to scam me into buying AMD cpu

[hard drift]

strix is custom

[sly elk]

mm

yea the 3080ti uses like 400w

it's ridiculous 😄

[hard drift]

i did no such thing 😔 i'm being helpful and working on my music bot for my server 😭

[modest moss]

do I actually need 32gb ram?

[hard drift]

eh not really, but i would say get it because it's good since nvidia fucked up vram lol

so you're going to need some extra ram incase gpu needs it

and i highly doubt you plan on upgrading gpu again right after lol

especially with predicted power usage for next gen

[modest moss]

yeah this will be a long term bitch

[hard drift]

lol yeah, so the extra ram will be needed likely

[modest moss]

hmm so really I think I go either 12400 or bump up to 12700k and end up spending 3-400 more

[hard drift]

12700k???

😭 that's 190w

[modest moss]

yeah, weighing up how much longer it'd last potentially

@tame fulcrum send me your 12900k when you upgrade it in a few months

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/fR3nd9 does look kinda nice though

[hard drift]

it's you smh

you're 100% upgrading

[modest moss]

lol I've known you long enough

[hard drift]

not to mention it'd still work with your waterblock

and motherboard

[modest moss]

spending money is hard

[hard drift]

there's 0 reason why you wouldn't upgrade lol

[modest moss]

actually feel guilty buying shit for myself

[hard drift]

i feel this

[boreal surge]

Shue gotta be selfish

Cause no one’s gonna care for your ass more than yourself

[hard drift]

all the more reason you'll upgrade next gen

[boreal surge]

Also no sense in keeping all the money if worldn’s gonna burn itself

[hard drift]

everyone cares for me more than myself 🙏

[boreal surge]

No shit ice

[modest moss]

3070ti FE available at basically msrp from nvidia store uk has ruined me, idk what to do

[boreal surge]

Get a kick ass game to play on it

[hard drift]

lol

it took nearly a year for gpu prices to drop when i bought mine

so it was worth it 🙏 plus no headache from my 5700xt lol

although still mad my brother has no problems with it

...

[boreal surge]

Gotta start mining crypto on it then

[hard drift]

not worth it

[modest moss]

monitors, do I really need one

3070ti + 1080p 75hz

is that a crime

[boreal surge]

If you’re doing 75 fps on max settings not really

[hard drift]

no but it pains my soul 😭

[modest moss]

I mean, a 3070ti should do way more than 75fps on max settings in basically everything at 1080p

[hard drift]

especially with that cpu

[modest moss]

even with a 12400 I'd think

[hard drift]

yeah

although if you upgrade to 4k or something cpu would matter even less

i will beat you

[modest moss]

if I go 12400 build vs 12700k build, I basically save 300 that'd more than cover a 1440p ips 144hz monitor

is that sound logic

[hard drift]

yes

12400 is still a solid cpu and more than enough for 1440p

even without benchmarks, in terms of what they're upgrading from lol

upgrading to a 4 core cpu in 2022 is dumb

budget or not

[modest moss]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/fR3nd9 vs https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/NGhL4s

wondering if I can save money on either

[hard drift]

dark rock pro 4 would save you like 10ish vs the noctua

[modest moss]

I'm leaning towards the 12400 with 212 anyway

idk what this is

[hard drift]

different brand

that doesn't matter

speeds at that level mean jack shit to most consumers

and i'm 99% sure shue doesn't need it lol

supports what, pcie 4.0?

no idea, but it won't make a difference for shue

it won't make a difference for 99% of consumers 😐

[modest moss]

only the samsungs say they have a cache on pcpartpicker

do I give a shit

[sly elk]

some casual farsighted people trying to shit on nearsighted people all like

SEEING CLEARLY IS BAD FOR YOU, WEAR GLASSES

or somehsit idk

[hard drift]

up to you 🤷‍♂️ worst case scenario you're waiting a bit longer but it's most likely faster than whatever you have now

[modest moss]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/3dvdnQ/western-digital-blue-sn570-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds100t3b0c

this shit is 30 quid cheaper

[hard drift]

wd blue is okay

not everyone here needs the big spender stuff most of us can get by with decent

i mean you also do different stuff lol

i personally have had no problems with WD but everyone's experiences could differ

[sly elk]

i don't understand mounting speakers like that

i mean i guess but

idk

[modest moss]

do I need 1tb nvme, or do I go with 500gb nvme and slap in one or two old sata ssds

[sly elk]

idk i want 2tb

[hard drift]

how much total storage would the two come out to be?

[hard drift]

i have too much storage 😭 you can have some

[hard drift]

i'd say if you want to save money and the storage is enough for the old drives, get 500gb because you can sometimes get like 50ish ones

[sly elk]

mm

i had 500gb then i bought a 1tb, then i bought another 1tb

[modest moss]

970 evo plus looks a lot faster tbh

[sly elk]

they are nice and fast

[modest moss]

980 pro is even faster and that board has pcie4 nvme

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08GS7748F

£16 more than the 970 evo plus

hmm sold by a weird seller but dispatched by amazon

extra 7 quid to buy from amazon

[sly elk]

in the US for something like that i'd be weary of warranty coverage

idk if you have to deal with that bullshit outside the US though

in the US lots of companies will deny warranty coverage unless you bought their stuff from an authorized reseller

now, a lot of the time this means that if you buy from amazon, only buy shipped/sold by amazon

but there are some asshole companies like ubiqiuiti that consider amazon.com an unauthorized reseller

[boreal surge]

Get a 2 TB if it's your everything computer

[modest moss]

yeah looking at some of these things, pcpartpicker is feeding me shit prices

is this 3070ti FE going to be sold out if I don't order it before I go to bed

should I order it and be committed to building rather than being lazy and buying a shit pc

well this is from nvidia so it's uk msrp

I meant buying a shit laptop

laptop is low effort but less performance

[sly elk]

what's your pcpartpicker looking like right now?

[modest moss]

there's an open box asus laptop, 6800h, 3070ti, 16gb ram for £1250

that's so low effort

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/H2JDJM

[sly elk]

what's the price diff to get an rmx?

and are you sure you want an h510?

oh nvm that's the new one with the mesh

[modest moss]

ignore the price, I'll have to pay a bit more for proper retailers and obvs doesn't include gpu

[sly elk]

i mean it sounds relatively solid. not sure about the ram but that's about it

but it looks like a good place to start

[modest moss]

extra £10 for rmx, what's the difference?

and what's wrong with the ram?

[sly elk]

and all the parts are cheap enough that if you build it and decide you don't like something, it's not a big deal to just upgrade that 1 thing

nothing?

when I said I'm not sure I meant idk if it's good or not 😄

[modest moss]

I figured corsair are usually decent and it's 3600 rather than 3200

idk

I'm a dinosaur

[sly elk]

everything looks fine to me though unless you can find a good deal on a 12500 or a better heatsink or a better psu or whatever

[modest moss]

I wonder if I should buy a 12400f to save £18

I have old gpus that work

I might regret it though

[sly elk]

but yea unless you find a good deal for any individual part, yea that build sounds fine to me

and nothing about it sounds like it'll be a pain

[modest moss]

welp I'm going to go to bed and the gpu will be gone tomorrow I bet

[sly elk]

gl getting the gpu!

[hard drift]

… it’s not about the price, it’s power too ice smh

[modest moss]

no chance of a 3090 at that price

3090 is 1400

3080 is £100 more than 3070ti, but I don't think it's £100 better

[sly elk]

that doesn't surprise me

it told me that about my 3080ti+9700k too, but so far my rig seems to be doing better with a 1000w psu lol

[modest moss]

but should I buy this gpu and be committed though, that's the question

[sly elk]

sure

i had a 3070, it was great. performed better than the 5700xt and didn't produce much heat or noise

[dull garnet]

pretty sure it is, has more ram too

3080 msrp was pre nutso pricing so imo still the best buy

[paper tusk]

^ 3080 is a pretty nice leap in performance to 3070/ti (assuming not too much a premium in price)

wouldn't go further unless there's a professional need for it (3090's vram for rendering)

supposedly 3080 12gb is discontinued because of bad sku decisions

[jaunty light]

mlem, even with my 850 I wasn't takin that chance

I tripped 750w with a 2080 and 8700k a few times so I don't be believing their sheets

was looking into the titanium 1000 but for the same price I just went with a 1300w plat

80 plus is a bullshit certification anyways

if you double your expected draw it's a non issue between from like gold to titanium, but beyond that I remember some testing controversies lol

more than enough. good PSUs can handle their rated load + transient spikes well beyond

using 60% easy

I used to have a 600w plat seasonic that I used 90% of with the hardware I ran and it had no issues. replaced it at the 8 year mark because it started tripping rails, but that was just age

[dull garnet]

tripping balls

[jaunty light]

had too many shrooms

[dull garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpson-homer-simpson-drive-chill-high-gif-8367291

[maiden crater]

Does it matter which directx I use? My pc isn't the greatest so I'm not sure if using 9 or 11 changes too much

[modest moss]

11 is better, 9 is what you use if 11 doesn't work

[modest moss]

what's your hardware?

[maiden crater]

AMD R7 Series pretty poopy, i5, 8gb ram

basically

but whenever I use directx 9 i get better performance

but I'm not sure if it messes up anything in the game, i've been trying to switch between both recently, and 11 just lags me somewhat in populated areas and stuff

directx9 aswell, but its way less

[modest moss]

using dx9 isn't a problem, it just doesn't look as good

feel free to use whatever settings feel comfiest

[maiden crater]

Ohh

Okok, thanks alot

[hard drift]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-allegedly-preparing-new-zen3d-and-low-end-am4-processors if this turns out to be true

[hard drift]

tomorrow

[modest moss]

that's just the gpu, I'll try and get decent prices on the rest over prime day and copycat sales this week

try and save a few quid on each

[hard drift]

🙏 good luck

[modest moss]

I'd imagine there'll be an ok monitor on sale at least

maybe an amazon warehouse deal on one

looks like a 4k high refresh rate 27" monitor is expensive though

[hard drift]

yeah, they are pretty expensive for some of the stuff, still not a lot on the market

[modest moss]

guessing I might be best staying QHD, something like https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09KRZGHK3/ ?

[hard drift]

yeah, that'll do fine

a bit dim in terms of brightness but you might not even need higher

[potent arrow]

My poor computer peed itself yesterday

[hard drift]

wtf did you do

[potent arrow]

The elastic band and aluminum tape holding the tube onto the Barb popped off

Lmfao

[hard drift]

[potent arrow]

I actually have to fix my loop properly

[modest moss]

fix it properly Sarah

PROPERLY

[potent arrow]

Eh now you ask me I wont

[hard drift]

wtf kind of jerry rigged loop did you make smh

[potent arrow]

I'll just shove it back on

[modest moss]

Sarah you have to, I'm building a new pc

we're both going to challenge ourselves

[potent arrow]

Eeehhhh

I'm lazy.

[modest moss]

me too

Bidori for reference I have this now

[potent arrow]

Computer is fine.

[modest moss]

https://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/model/UM.HV0EE.020

[sly elk]

i

wanna see pictures of the janky watercooling! @potent arrow

[potent arrow]

If I bother opening it today

[hard drift]

i mean it's atleast brighter than that

[potent arrow]

It's just a lian LI gallahad radiator with random tubing to a random asetek aoi pump

[modest moss]

this one looks great, after I got used to seeing the pixels because I'm too close 👀

[hard drift]

[potent arrow]

Really I should just put the aoi I had in it back lol

[modest moss]

@royal forge get in Sarah's box

lol sorry, I couldn't resist

[potent arrow]

What?

I don't get jt

[modest moss]

you typed aoi instead of aio

[potent arrow]

Cool.

I'm in a relationship : P.

[royal forge]

https://tenor.com/view/box-shame-hiding-hide-im-not-here-gif-17943163

btw Sarah, the laptop is stable now

[modest moss]

oh wait no I wasn't making an innuendo, oops

[royal forge]

i say that, inviting crashes

someone's trying to get a class action against them. so I'm along for the ride

[hard drift]

[modest moss]

I was amused at the thought of squashing a cat girl nurse into your SFF case

[sly elk]

oh yeeeeeeeeeeeah

i forgot about that 😄

[royal forge]

God no. I've seen SFF cases

I legit dunoe how Sarah manages with SFF

it looks...

painful

[modest moss]

Sarah would have to fold you up like a piece of paper

[sly elk]

sff does sound painful

[modest moss]

I'm sure as fuck not building SFF

[sly elk]

but at the same time, the PSUs have shorter cables, and there's no room for crazy accessories so there's fewer of them

and the motherboards are tiny

[potent arrow]

It's just practice : P I know most sff cases inside out so I don't have issues choosing parts

[modest moss]

I have fairly huge hands, I'd get so angry trying to build one

[sly elk]

ok that's a point

I have small hands so I can do some really dumb stuff

[royal forge]

i get angry enough when I dropped a screw in a normal sized build

[sly elk]

hahaha

[royal forge]

needing to dig it out

[potent arrow]

My only issue these days with sff is bensinf 90 elbows

But like 90 into parts

It's so fucking annoying

Because it's not actually 90 but like 85

[modest moss]

it's a shame Sarah isn't local, I'd be trying to do shady deals like get her to build my pc in exchange for my wife baking her a cake

[potent arrow]

I mean shue I ship to UK 😆

[sly elk]

plus, yeah, the small cases if they're popular probably have exact sized cables right?

[potent arrow]

You would just have to install the gpu

[royal forge]

actually, i was looking at SFF, and I'd LOVE to try a hardline build in one, but that needs special equipment, right?

[potent arrow]

Yeah I get custom cables

[sly elk]

i also wonder how they work practically

[royal forge]

From what I saw, you need the hardline kit

[potent arrow]

I sleeve my own cables too

[royal forge]

the special pipe bending thing-y

[potent arrow]

Aoi you don't need anything different then what you do normally

[royal forge]

For hardline?

[modest moss]

shipping and tax would likely be more than I'd value the effort of building at, even if you were kind enough to not charge anything yourself

[potent arrow]

I bend my tubes with the corner of my desk lol.

[royal forge]

OH

[sly elk]

this i would also like to see a picture of

[sly elk]

AND THIS

[royal forge]

I was watching tutorials and they were like "get this kit from so and so"

with the inner tube thing

and the bender

[potent arrow]

Two things you need when doing hardline is the silicone tube thing and a heatgun

[royal forge]

and the special bevel

[potent arrow]

Everything else is extra

[royal forge]

ah

[sly elk]

i want crazy straw tubing

like with loops and stuff

[potent arrow]

I'm doing a new build for a client after midterms, I should stream it

Some of my techniques are esoteric

[royal forge]

oooo

actually... having a water cooling setup like a potion brewing design

would be p cool

like, ya know, tubes twisting around

having ur reservoir be a potion flask looking thing

[potent arrow]

They just like Dupont, kinda you just crimp metal bits at the end and put it in according to the PSU wiring diagram

Yeah I don't do weird spiral shit

That's the only time I would buy premade sections

[modest moss]

Jesus, I got 5 emails within 6 minutes about the GPU... Thanks For Your Order, Order Placed, Payment Authorised, Order Picked, Order Despatched

[hard drift]

good

[modest moss]

is a 12600k wasted on a b660m board

is a 12600k wasted on me or should I spring for the extra so I can OC it later and get an extra year out of it

[hard drift]

i mean even without oc'ing it, the K skus have the efficiency cores while the none K doesn't so it would be fine on a B series board simply for that fact

[modest moss]

but to OC later I should have Z970 from what I see?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/PrV978

[hard drift]

you would have to go Z chipset if you wanted to OC at all yeah

[modest moss]

for an extra £200ish I could do that, hmm

[hard drift]

ultimately that's up to you. just make sure you have enough headers/they are in locations that work for you when planning routing

[modest moss]

the bit lower down on the pcpartpicker sounds ok for that

idk

[hard drift]

idk i've never used it for that lol

i don't even remember that existing when i last used it

[modest moss]

is the noctua dh15 £20 better than the dark rock?

[sly elk]

enough headers? pshh -gets out a commander pro-

[hard drift]

no, they're about the same

[sly elk]

the dark rock pro 4 looks fancier XD

[hard drift]

not to mention a lot of people say the dark rock pro 4 is quieter

[modest moss]

I'm surprised nobody has told me to buy an aio

[sly elk]

Shue: with your budget? nah

[hard drift]

if i remember properly you said you don't want liquid lol

[sly elk]

that, too

[hard drift]

i mean aios are pretty cheap these days

atleast for a 240

[sly elk]

i feel like watercooling is something you have to want

not something you get told to do

also

the dark rock pro 4 comes with a screw driver

to be fair, I think installing an aio is easier than installing one of these giant chonkers

[modest moss]

hmm it doesn't come with a 1170 bracket

err 1700

[hard drift]

they all say that, most recent sales should pretty sure otherwise you contact the company

that goes for noctua and pretty much anything

it's the same with the hyper 212 lol

[sly elk]

but yea water coolers are nice if you want them. on that case i think you'd front mount

[modest moss]

this is such a slippery slope

ended up looking at 5900x again

fml

uses less power than a 12600k build apparently too

end up with the bios headache though

[hard drift]

i mean it's either bios headache or bracket headache lol

pick your poison

[modest moss]

yeah, or the 12400 and b660m just being fine

[hard drift]

also yeah it should be less power, 105 tdp vs the 12600k max of 150

[modest moss]

oh no that 12400 build has same bracket note

hmm

[hard drift]

yeah

it will be literally any cooler shue

not like coolers are really new these days. it's the same coolers for the past few generations pretty much

[modest moss]

5900x build uses less power than the 12400 lol

[hard drift]

potentially, the 12400 boosts to a max of 117w

[modest moss]

514 vs 516

[hard drift]

but base power will be a lot lower on the 12400 system

since it is 65w base

[modest moss]

Hank might disown me

[hard drift]

lmao

@deep sapphire shue wants you to disown him

[hard drift]

in all honesty though, amds tdp isn't accurate either

[umbral moss]

doesn't AMD rate their TDP under some weird "what if we used 100% of our brain haha" scenario

[hard drift]

90w max draw on cinebench with tdp being 65w

so keep that in mind even for amd

[umbral moss]

I think AMD stopped using "max power" for their TDP after intel started pulling away in the "TDP gap"

since intel only uses a power draw based on some specific use scenario, not 100% of the chip being run at once

[modest moss]

I'll just make a snap decision based on any offers I see over the next week

[umbral moss]

it was one of those things where AMD was forced to change because of how the market leader forced them to change

[hard drift]

Intel is more honest now atleast

[umbral moss]

they have to be because enterprise customers started complaining about power draw

so intel has to actually specify TDP in a way that convinces enterprise to buy xeons

[hard drift]

Yeah lol i wish amd was more honest but it’s not so dramatic a change like intel

[deep sapphire]

Ew

[hard drift]

Ew what

[deep sapphire]

Ew

[hard drift]

Ew you

[deep sapphire]

True

[modest moss]

Hank don't hate me

I bought nvidia

and didn't buy AMD yet

[deep sapphire]

USA USA USA

Alright Denzel Washington is getting one too

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-training-day-gif-23255629

[hard drift]

Smh

[umbral moss]

samee

[modest moss]

uh, dumb question probably, if I buy a 1440p monitor and watch 720p videos, it won't look worse than on a 1080p monitor right? will it upscale correctly?

[real edge]

720p videos will look more pixelated fullscreen on a 1440p display than on a 1080p display depending on monitor size

there are other factors than resolution but yes it will look worse, provided the screen is bigger

[dull garnet]

Should look better being that it is an integer

[modest moss]

would be both 27", just going to go from 1080p to 1440p because I ordered that 3070ti

[dull garnet]

Nvidia supports an integer upscale now but I've not figured out how to utilise it for video, bit of a faff anyway but I thought it might be amusing to prod at

[modest moss]

and I tend to watch MMA downloads in 720p, at least the prelims

[real edge]

I do not think it will be different enough for it to matter to you really

[modest moss]

I guess worse comes to worst I throw it at plex and watch on my tv, 720p content looks fine upscaled on that, but much further away

[real edge]

it will look worse but not worse enough for it to matter

1440p is a big upgrade over 1080p anyway

[modest moss]

gaming performance matters more and that gpu would be wasted on my current 1080p 75hz monitor

[real edge]

definitely wasted yes

ull be glad that you got the 1440p monitor

ull see :3

well, provided its a good one yeah

but anything should be better than 1080p 75hz 27 inch

[modest moss]

I suppose the next question ends up being 1440p 144hz or 4k 60hz

[real edge]

1440p 144hz is better for gaming

4k 60hz is better for films

if you are gaming I would definitely recommend 1440p 144hz

[modest moss]

fair

[real edge]

I have a few models I would recommend as well

[modest moss]

would generally watch movies on my tv anyway

I'll see what goes on offer during the prime shit this week

[real edge]

ping me so that I can help you if you would like

when that happens

https://www.youtube.com/c/Hardwareunboxednow/videos these guys make monitor reviews

you can find a review for a monitor on sale there if its a popular model

[modest moss]

cheers, I'll almost certainly overthink it in here when I do, lol

it's much easier to advise other people than it is make my own decisions

[real edge]

I can definitely relate to that

but do not hesitate to ping me I always like helping

[potent arrow]

as long as you dont say lg we good

[modest moss]

what's wrong with LG? my tv is LG and it's pretty good

[potent arrow]

tv

[modest moss]

are their monitors that bad?

my monitor is an acer, I like it but I've seen a few people be negative about acer

[potent arrow]

I like acer gaming monitors because they are so fairly priced

[deep sapphire]

Acer bad

Chevy good

[modest moss]

Hank I swear I will buy AMD

(if it's the best offer)

[hard drift]

🙏 as you should

same if it was intel being the best offer

[modest moss]

vaguely tempted to pay a few quid extra and buy a bundle if I see one, there's a place selling cpu/mobo/cooler bundles that'll have updated bios and/or bracket for cooler

hmm maybe not, they're doing annoying things like 2x8gb sticks and can't upgrade to 32gb

[hard drift]

rip

i mean how expensive are 2 extra sticks of ram or does the board not have 4 slots

[modest moss]

I didn't check, I'd just rather have 2x16 anyway, and they're using cheaper version of that be quiet cooler, little things like that

[potent arrow]

Shue how did you get bapped

[dull garnet]

Shue considering an upgrade triggered the bot

[deep sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-norman-osborn-surprised-you-cant-do-this-to-me-gif-24182893

[hard drift]

what'd i miss?

[hard drift]

gotta go for the best offerings 🙏

[deep sapphire]

Wrong

https://youtu.be/aqmUj6huTxc

USA USA USA

those locking pliers are amazing

[hard drift]

whatchu mean wrong lol

[modest moss]

[royal forge]

JAYSUS

A dual monitor stand costs HOW much?!

[hard drift]

Not that much depending on what you’re after

[royal forge]

100 USD plus pr minus

Local store

[hard drift]

That’s not terrible

They can get much worse

[royal forge]

I was debatin a dual monitor setup

Just lookin at prices

[hard drift]

The most important factor is max weight per arm based on your needs

[royal forge]

Maybe a 1440p and one 1080p setup? And use my old monitor?

[hard drift]

That one is preference just make sure they’re not too heavy for the arms 🙏

[royal forge]

👍 👍

[jaunty light]

Good ones are 2, 300

I have a cheap vert one that i got for 70, works ok and the gas is ok but my AW is too heavy

[hard drift]

how much does it weigh?

[jaunty light]

I didnt really think it was that heavy for a monitor, let me look it up

[hard drift]

i know my arms do like 27 pounds each

[royal forge]

Anyone used curved monitors?

Thoughts?

[jaunty light]

14Lb @hard drift

[hard drift]

i used to, i don't really like curved because it's pretty much a waste usually unless doing ultrawide

[jaunty light]

Its the hinge that sinks, the gas arm holds it fine

[hard drift]

oh that's not terrible

[jaunty light]

Its definitely way heavier than my 4k monitor though

[hard drift]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X262MRK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 this is the one i got, but i paid like 90 for it on sale or something like that

[hard drift]

you're 4k is lighter than 14???

[jaunty light]

ErGear Dual Monitor Mount Arm... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08BHJP422?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

[hard drift]

that's what you have?

that's like my old one the hinges on mine sucked too lol

[jaunty light]

Yeah

[jaunty light]

My alienware panel weighs more than the vp2768 with its stand

[hard drift]

this new one i have has lasted already as long as my old one

[hard drift]

yikes

[jaunty light]

Its about 9Lb for my 4k panel

[hard drift]

oh that's almost the same as mine

my 4k panel is like 10ish pounds

[jaunty light]

Got that one on an ergotron

[hard drift]

i have no idea wtf an ergotron is

[jaunty light]

Most well known maker of mounts

[hard drift]

ah, welp lol

[jaunty light]

https://www.ergotron.com › products
Monitor Mounts | Monitor Arms as Adaptable as You - Ergotron

Also expensive

[hard drift]

probably in part because of the name if they're that well known

[jaunty light]

Yea business type of cost, along with shit like steelcase

[hard drift]

i mean it's usually made to last longer then

[jaunty light]

They are great

The amazon basics mounts are OEM by ergotron and cheap so thats normally what i recommend

[modest moss]

Bidori 1440p 144hz+ IPS or 4k 60hz IPS

27"

[hard drift]

1440p, the 3070 will choke real quick with 4k 60 especially for years to come

going to start being too vram heavy quickly

[modest moss]

ok, just wondered because you mentioned 4k taking more strain off the cpu yesterday

[jaunty light]

how old r u shu

i'd demo it if you can to see if u care about high refresh rate or not

[modest moss]

you know how old I am, the whole server does

[jaunty light]

31

[modest moss]

sure

[hard drift]

yeah but 1440p would do the same thing

just the higher it goes the less it strains the cpu and is more gpu bound usually

trying to find the one page where it showed how little the difference was at 4k between cpus

it was like 5% on average with like a 2600x vs more modern cpus

[modest moss]

I'm annoyed, I mixed up when prime day is

[hard drift]

july 12th-13th

[modest moss]

yeah I thought it was 6-7th for some reason

[hard drift]

lol

https://www.techspot.com/article/2201-four-years-of-ryzen-5-gpu-scaling/ here's one i found for amd, trying to find the one for both intel and amd, but it gives you an idea

[deep sapphire]

Mods @jaunty light is sending me porn

[jaunty light]

[hard drift]

What they do in dms is your own to deal with lmao block them

[deep sapphire]

[jaunty light]

[deep sapphire]

[hard drift]

[deep sapphire]

[hard drift]

Weeb

[jaunty light]

[deep sapphire]

Remember when the Kings had a Chevy logo

[jaunty light]

He enjoys it

[deep sapphire]

Lies

It’s very inappropriate

And I am a Christian man

Lutheran

[hard drift]

I know because he’s requested lewd pics of fanart lol

[deep sapphire]

WHAT

[jaunty light]

He enjoyed the slime girl mascot for red loctite

[hard drift]

You know which pic I’m talking about smh

[deep sapphire]

LMAO

[modest moss]

At least Hank replies to Honk's dms

[hard drift]

He replies to mine too

[deep sapphire]

I’m a busy guy

[hard drift]

No you’re not lmao

[deep sapphire]

Workin all the time

[modest moss]

Busy on pixiv

[jaunty light]

You gotta send him pron

[hard drift]

You always respond in like two seconda

[deep sapphire]

Yes I am I just had to work 14 days

Send me lucus red and tacky grease girls

[hard drift]

Lucas is amazing 🙏

[modest moss]

He just wishes he had Honk as mentor instead of me

[hard drift]

Pfft doubt

[deep sapphire]

Honk doesn’t even know anything besides vtubers

[hard drift]

He wishes he had me as mentor instead of him

[jaunty light]

I woulda been a great mentor 5 years ago but i stopped caring after that

[deep sapphire]

Depression from owning a ford truck

[modest moss]

I have realised tech mentors are pointless anyway

Pleb tier staff

[deep sapphire]

Yeah we don’t do anything besides shitpost

It’s great

[hard drift]

Lol i mean you help every now and then

[deep sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/antonio-rebound-antonio-worried-oh-no-gif-15568678

[modest moss]

And when we try to do more we get told to stay in our lane

[hard drift]

[deep sapphire]

Shue calm down, we aren’t mods

[jaunty light]

If you got enterprise hw questions i can do tho

[hard drift]

Lies

[deep sapphire]

Last time I rented a car from you guys I got pulled over

[jaunty light]

I dont have time to care if the price tag isnt 5 figs

[modest moss]

I would just assume any answer from you was trolling Honk

[hard drift]

🙏

[deep sapphire]

Understandable, that’s all I do

I’m a real life Wario

[hard drift]

Not you

[deep sapphire]

Shitposter, giant biceps

[hard drift]

Honk not hank lol

[jaunty light]

Pls I give plenty good advice

[deep sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-wario-wario-land-thumbs-up-wario-land3-gif-16087604

[deep sapphire]

Send me another slime girl

So I can block you

[modest moss]

You might give good advice but that doesn't mean I'd trust it

[deep sapphire]

[modest moss]

It's your delivery

[hard drift]

I’ll send you something so you can block me

[deep sapphire]

Okay

https://youtu.be/WmmIB4hl9rw

WARIO TIME

[jaunty light]

My delivery skills are unmatched

[modest moss]

Maybe for uber eats

[hard drift]

Not hard when your competition is fedex, ups, usps, and amazon

Look at how well they do

[hard drift]

Lmao

My pets did that all the time

[jaunty light]

Nobody wants to be in your stinky chevy room

[deep sapphire]

https://youtu.be/nmXtwzFUjnU

0-60 in 13.9 seconds

[deep sapphire]

Shut

[odd sand]

Drove past a Ford Raptor truck on the highway today in limp mode belching blue smoke from the tailpipe

[jaunty light]

@deep sapphire https://www.skbcases.com/products/i-series-5014-6-3-gun-competition-case

Buy me this

[jaunty light]

Sounds bout right

[glossy timber]

i thought my graphics card was fucked because motherboard is saying video error but it displays it with a known good one so its just being a cheeky fuck not an expensive fuck

pog

but also

not pog

fuck this pc

[hard drift]

Love when motherboards do that 😭

[glossy timber]

might just need to reseat some stuff

might try the other pcie port

[fair parcel]

yeah annoying problem

[hard drift]

Hopefully it’ll fix itself, i had to replace my motherboard because of it

[glossy timber]

that would be annoying

[hard drift]

Yeah, it would only recognize my old gpu that wasn’t even the one i was using originally on it for some reason

[glossy timber]

tech is cbt

[hard drift]

Lmao

[modest moss]

@hard drift have you built my pc yet

[fair parcel]

[hard drift]

yes

[hard drift]

You don’t want me building your pc, I’m bad luck lol

[fair parcel]

I got you check out my work

[hard drift]

Found your work

[fair parcel]

lol

I used to do build but not anymore so that may be accurate

[hard drift]

https://videocardz.com/press-release/ek-introduces-vertical-gpu-bracket-with-pcie-gen4-riser-compatible-even-with-closed-off-pcie-slot-cases

[royal forge]

I'll build it for u

[hard drift]

Pretty nice for vertical enjoyers

[royal forge]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-burn-gif-5103666

[modest moss]

Gpu arrived anyway, better buy other shit