technology-discussion

[sick edge]

Those numbers are impressive but definitely dorected at the mac users who are... both fanboys and probably artist or something

[agile roost]

Yeah only works with intel based chips

M1 is a no go atm

[sly elk]

yea Apple is kinda in the same position as SGI used to be

[sick edge]

sgi?

[deep sapphire]

silicon graphics

[sly elk]

yea

[buoyant falcon]

So this is weird, as far as I can tell, monitors in multi-monitor setups cannot be assigned numbers and their numbers are assigned based on the port they are plugged into.

Yet after my power got cut because a light switch was flipped (long story but it's stuck in that outlet, need to put tape over that thing), suddenly the numbers have been switched around.

The monitor that was 1 is now 3, the monitor that was now 2 is 1, and the one that was 3 is now 2.

[hard drift]

oh yeah hank, upon watching the computex presentation for amd it doesn't say it's 15% ipc gain it says "we expect zen4 to deliver more than 15% higher single threaded performance" so they aren't saying just how much it will gain all we know is 15%+

so it could be way greater

[deep sapphire]

But it won’t be

[hard drift]

i mean i would highly doubt it's just 15%

i'd even be willing to bet on it. i think it's a strategy against intel but who knows

[jaunty light]

[umbral moss]

to be honest, my HEDT platform is getting long in the tooth

+15% from last gen is what, +50% overall from skylake HEDT?

[jaunty light]

High Explosive Dookie Tower?

[hard drift]

what one do you have?

[umbral moss]

the xeon version of skylake

skylake S?

i7-6800k

for HEDT?

[hard drift]

you have a 6800k?

[umbral moss]

I can't remember if that's older or newer lol

[jaunty light]

Doesnt even have the based 5775c

Hank needs that, not me

He a poor boi

Where tha 7950x at

I feel like I will get muted for such a word so i will not indulge

[hard drift]

the 9900k is not skylake smh

it's 14nm but it's not skylake

[jaunty light]

2500k, 2500k 2, 2500k 3, 2500k 4, 2500k 5, 2500k 6...

[hard drift]

no it's not 🤨

[jaunty light]

Intel went until the bridges ran out then started swimming in lakes, bidori

[umbral moss]

I just want a new HEDT uarch 😔

does intel even do HEDT anymore?

[hard drift]

not really atm but they are going to supposedly

[umbral moss]

or have they just pretended that HEDT is for losers anyway because AMD ate their lunch with threadripper

[jaunty light]

Todays avg CPU is what intel HEDT used to be

They should let me name the architectures

Let's see.. salty cove

Malding lake

[hard drift]

intel couldn't compete in HEDT anymore but they probably can now, we'll see what gelsinger brings to the table

[modest moss]

You kids and your fancy new cpus

[hard drift]

hey now, mine isn't fancy 🙏

i've only owned 2 cpus personally

[modest moss]

Don't you have like a 5800x or something

[hard drift]

3700x and i upgraded to it from an fx 8350

[modest moss]

Still newer and fancier than my 4690k

[hard drift]

i mean even the 4690k would've been better than fx 8350

[modest moss]

We won't mention my 2500k box still running

[hard drift]

bulldozer was trash

[somber solstice]

So who is here gonna swap to zen 4 more like zen 3+++

[hard drift]

what makes it zen 3+++?

[somber solstice]

I mean it is good but pretty underwhelming

Like feels like it is competing for 12th gen not 13th gen

[hard drift]

we don't even have actual benchmarks yet, don't go and say it's disappointing without real results

[hard drift]

they literally didn't give the full results for a reason

they want to surprise intel

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/intel-pentium-ii-pentium-intel-pentium-intel-pentium-ii-ad-gif-22232304

[somber solstice]

Although i like the part where they have iGPU

[umbral moss]

everything is disappoint

[hard drift]

true

intel, amd, nvidia, apple, everyone

[modest moss]

All tech is shit, agreed

[odd sand]

I think that's the real issue. top end desktop CPUs have overtaken the HEDT market, so there isn't much of a niche there.

[hard drift]

eh idk about that one

there's still key features that HEDT has that makes consumer cpus a moot point

[odd sand]

AMD will have a what? 24c48t desktop CPU with 7000 series? And Intel 24c32t?

[somber solstice]

Still aint beating AMD till 12th gen came

[odd sand]

AMD 3Dv cache should have a hefty chunk of available cache too

[umbral moss]

that's largely because intel's HEDT is using fucking server chipsets with LTS features from four years ago

so yeah, the perf gap is dummy thicc

[hard drift]

we don't know yet

[jaunty light]

69c420t where

Its 2022

[odd sand]

It's almost like making modern GPUs is hard and expensive and complicated. How could Intel have foreseen this.

[somber solstice]

[umbral moss]

isn't that still a pending acquisition

like, they just approved it a month or two ago

and xilinx is going to be used in their semicustom division

yeah, pretty much

they were like, "equal to a 3070" but didn't specify at what res or settings

more like equal to a 3050

yeah

the 4090 apparently has some chiplets clipped off

so there's an even bigger version lurking in the water

maybe AMD can release a competitive product

but that won't do anything for GPU prices

[odd sand]

If their numbering scheme is at all related to the Nvidia one, that's not a very hype first part being an x30

[umbral moss]

poggin

[odd sand]

I think I'll be fine sitting on my 3080 for at least another 2 years

[umbral moss]

I only have a 1080 ti 😔

[plain shell]

can anyone recommend a wireless mouse with at least 12 side buttons?

i have a wired one and its pissing me off lol

[plain shell]

the naga is like 100 isnt it?

[odd sand]

I like keeping things simple, so Deathadder it is for me

[plain shell]

i got like a redragon m908 it was like 10 bucks on ebay but the mouse is just ehhhhhhhh

[odd sand]

10 dollar mouse is ehhh ...

[umbral moss]

I thought pixart was meh and avago was the better sensor company

[odd sand]

I still don't know what the point is of the 25k DPI mice. I don't even set mine above 1800 or it flies across the screen

[umbral moss]

logitech uses their own stupid ass sensor now because they didn't want to pay avago anymore

[odd sand]

If you had a 4K monitor I could see the 3500dpi being useful then, but above that? Why?

[umbral moss]

pixel snapping requires true DPI

[plain shell]

huh

[umbral moss]

not interpolated DPI

[odd sand]

Just like logitech made their own shitty mechanical switches that are prone to double-type

[umbral moss]

if you have a 4k display with a very small cm/360, you need a dumb CPI value

[plain shell]

@odd sandthey are more prone to just die than double click from my experience

[odd sand]

How do you even click on anything specific if you have DPI so high you move the entire screen in 1cm?

[umbral moss]

like my settings for cm/360 require a minimum 10k DPI if I wanted to have true DPI with no skipping

I'm an extremely high twitch player and most people would die trying my settings

[plain shell]

COOL

honestly i have no clue whats going on now im scared

soooo if i dont want razer what mouse is also good?

[umbral moss]

native DPI depends on the sensor

the native DPI on the avago 3366 is like 1600 or some shit

[sly elk]

LOL just like their mice

[odd sand]

I have a 1st gen Deathadder Chroma I think it might be circa 2014?

Heavily used, but amazingly still in good shape

Who uses accel on their mouse tho?

[umbral moss]

it's included in the firmware for the sensor

laser sensors are more prone to this than optical

it's why nobody likes laser sensors for ultra high DPI applications

[odd sand]

I'm sorry, I guess the Chroma has 10k dpi max it says. my regular Deathadder from the year before must have still been 3500 then or something

The rubber grip on the side came off, so I got a new one, but I still have that one with the grip superglued back on, but it feels kinda jank

[umbral moss]

logitech heavily implies that the hero sensor is their own sensor, like the romer-g is a custom clone of mx cherry

yeah, the ultra high DPI regimes give you wild shaky results

[kindred brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icEa4c9USS4

OH SHIT

THEY TALKING ABNOUT

NEW GPUS

lets gooooooo

[umbral moss]

for the low price of $70,000 you too can own one preorder of a 4090

supplies not guaranteed

no refunds

[agile roost]

Hate to say it but GeForce is still light years ahead of Radeon

[kindred brook]

wtf

500 hz monitor?

[hard drift]

this is just wrong lmao

[kindred brook]

wow

they didn't announce their new GPU

[umbral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/blueberries-blueberry-fruits-food-gif-18697869

[kindred brook]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-disappointed-fan-seriously-what-are-you-doing-judging-you-gif-17485289

[umbral moss]

isn't that one of those things that they just never expected anyone to actually run into the limit

like how they had to make a specific patch to enable extended memory addressing for hard drives

[hard drift]

🤨

[modest moss]

Nobody will ever need more than 640kb ram

[umbral moss]

the 48-bit hard drive addressing thing was a hotfix for windows XP though

and it sucked

[hard drift]

who cares most people won't be playing at framerates to justify removing the limit right away

not to mention your whole "microled can push over 1000hz" we are still years away from microled especially at that refresh rate

[deep sapphire]

new nvidia cards will be able to do that refresh rate

did AMD announce new GPUs

||||

[hard drift]

gpus won't be announced from either side until closer to end of q2

[modest moss]

My next gpu will be made by milwaukee

[hard drift]

we're barely getting miniled that's affordable

you're a meme

[deep sapphire]

based

[modest moss]

Return to 1024x768 crt

[deep sapphire]

70hz chads rise up

[modest moss]

27" 75hz 1080p ips was all I could afford

[umbral moss]

microLED maybe at like, 250 inch diagonal and $150k for the panel

and definitely nowhere near that refresh rate

that poor LED driver circuit

yeah, it's not exactly "micro" is what I'm getting at

[odd sand]

I mean, considering the previous highest on the market was 360hz and less than 1% of the installbase uses tho, they probably don't have it high on their priority list.

What about the local dimming zones?

[paper tusk]

dimming zones help va lcd's a lot but depending on how aggressive they are managed they can add bloom to dark parts of scenes

[umbral moss]

bloom will always be an issue with backlighting

even with QD formats

OLED still kind of has it if you have very high contrast

you need to calibrate your white and black levels properly to avoid it

[paper tusk]

aka having a budget (I have a tcl 535 as main game display and default backlight settings are ok but can see the bloom from time to time and delay on scene change)

[umbral moss]

microLED has other issues, namely the insane complexity of making 50 million tiny LED modules

the QDOLED design seems like a good strategy

you only have one active OLED element (blue) and you use frequency coupling to make R/G

so your burnout rate is lower

[paper tusk]

I'll pass on pissing away 1000 bucks and having my xiv hud burnt into the screen

[agile roost]

so many experts in chat

😳

[odd sand]

Those have been very funny lately. BRO THEYRE LOSING IN THE EAST. DROP EVERYTHING AND RUSH B

[sly elk]

i like how the background lines up

ahhhhh baller setup

[somber solstice]

https://youtu.be/pVMylCf1opw
gawd the Asus Prime looks good

might consider it for my AM5 upgrade

[sly elk]

-clicks-

when are we gonna get AM5

because I think that's what I'm gonna buy 😄

i wonder if evga will have an AM5 right away or wait 2 years again 😛

[umbral moss]

evga gonna make you wait, and the board will still be shit at the end

[leaden oak]

yo guys any advice on why i get fps drops with ryzen 9 5900x and rtx 3080 32 gb ram 3600mhz?

[somber solstice]

throttling?

temperature?

if you are playing FFXIV there should not be any issues with the game with that spec

[leaden oak]

temp fine i still have to check for throttling

other games runs on max setting without issue i also locked 144fps

also i have a 360 aio cpu shouldnt throttle but i have to check

[somber solstice]

what is your GPU even?

i assume RTX 3000 series

[leaden oak]

yes rtx 3080

[somber solstice]

but you shouldnt have any frame drops with FFXIV for that spec

i assume your PC is throttling

[sly elk]

hahaha nice
bestbuy offers $155 to trade my old gs9 for a z flip 3, which is on sale for $499. And then there's some kinda broken deal where you can get a galaxy watch 4 for $50 with it.

[leaden oak]

i am not an expert how do i check that ? on bios ?

[somber solstice]

my spec is like 5600x with 3600mhz 16gb and i never experienced frame drops except in Limsa or where there are many peeps

[leaden oak]

i am talking about fps drops in uwu btw

still have to check limsa

but again with these specs i shouldnt have problem

[somber solstice]

no throttling is basically when your CPU is too hot and it tries to cool itself down by slowing itself

so when it does that you will experience fps drop

[leaden oak]

someone told me it could be act

[somber solstice]

[leaden oak]

i will check temps on cpu

[somber solstice]

try the game when you are idling in empty area

does your game throttle

[leaden oak]

i will check when i am back home

[sharp star]

https://twitter.com/wario64/status/1529001722584043521 ayo

Wario64 (@Wario64)

MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 3080 LHR 10GB is $807.49 on Amazon after listed coupon https://t.co/iqG8DQqDZ1 #ad

most products are 5% off on Amazon currently for some reason

Twitter · May 24, 2022, 7:29 AM

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1529002450337734656 nature is healing

Wario64 (@Wario64)

ASUS Dual NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 V2 OC Edition Gaming Graphics Card is $550.99 on Amazon after listed coupon https://t.co/m3JVt7yarW #ad

most products are 5% off on Amazon currently for some reason

Twitter · May 24, 2022, 7:32 AM

[somber solstice]

im selling my 3080 as soon as AMD 7800XT comes

[odd sand]

Then ruins it with the tiny shitty keyboard

All you need is a game you can render at 500fps for it to matter /s

Quick! Bring back the Q3ArenaTest!

[odd sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tas0O586t80

He needs to sell it better, but its still clever

[umbral moss]

this is the dead generation, like the 20 series

[boreal surge]

SEGFAULT XD

[odd sand]

You still have some of these up on Newegg and its like ... I applaud your ambition, but good luck with that...

[real edge]

some websites randomly stopped working while others are fine

odd

on any browser mind you

I restarted my router and my PC

so my setup is clearly not the issue

I did not change anything either

I hope that gets fixed eventually

[odd sand]

To the VPN-mobile

[real edge]

I do not have any

randomly got fixed

ok

idk

[sly elk]

BIG MOUSE

[odd sand]

For people who want that trackball feel, without actually having to use a trackball

[dull garnet]

small woman hands

[sly elk]

lol

[kindred brook]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/uwqlil/how_i_keep_my_ssds_freezing_cool/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[hard drift]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-ryzen-7000-5-5-ghz-demo-did-not-involve-overclocking

[dull garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/sheeesh-sheesh-gif-22353817

[potent arrow]

Unironically a good mouse

The MX master and anywhere are my favorite productivity mice

[sick edge]

unironically good? it just more mouse?

[boreal surge]

Is this the same RMA or a different RMA

[buoyant falcon]

Why is it so easy to accidentally close all open apps in Android? You'd think they'd give you a confirmation prompt whenever you do that. <_<

[sly elk]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31494417

i wonder if this is manufactured as a way to get rid of remote workers and force people back into the office

and cut costs, of course

what I'm thinking though

is there might be another manufactured crisis coming in the software industry

if all the big companies say "the sky is falling!" and start laying people off and freezing hiring

then all the small companies will likely follow suit

it'd be a good way to try and 'take control' of the job market again

[lost python]

Old dry paste tends to do that

[odd sand]

No overclocking, but much like the KS, probably top binning

[kindred brook]

damn I used to live in Fullerton

You know what was cool? I once did an RMA for a MSI motherboard

[hard drift]

Nah i could see it being regular

[kindred brook]

their RMA center is in Diamondbar

[hard drift]

It’s the 16 core sku

[kindred brook]

they let me just drive to the RMA center

and grab a refurb motherboard

at some office

it was nice

[odd sand]

Reminds me of when I lived like 10mins from the state IRS building. I wanted tax help and was able to get it taken care of in like 30mins instead of waiting weeks by mail or something

[kindred brook]

LOl

"don't worry I got you fam"

[deep sapphire]

https://youtu.be/WpY0T_Ql3_4

UH OH

[sharp star]

oh no AMD bros

[sly elk]

I called them up once and they were surprisingly helpful and had really good advice on how to file a situation

but the wait time on the phone sucked lol

[hard drift]

So far people think it’s sandbagging which in all honesty i hope i see it being slightly more but not much more

[deep sapphire]

People have unrealistic goals, 15 percent IPC has been the norm for awhile now

[hard drift]

I mean true, but it’s newer in multiple aspects so who knows

I think people are also expecting ipc + vcache as an extra boost

[odd sand]

Yeah, unsurprisingly the tax commercials are mostly BS to scare you into paying them money to do things for you.

THE IRS IS READY, WILLING, AND WAITING TO KICK DOWN YOUR DOOR, SODOMIZE YOUR DOG, and TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HOLD DEAR... We can help!"

In reality, they just want to get you squared away and if you can't pay right away they can setup a payment plan for however long

[jaunty light]

Also the ATF

[agile roost]

98% of this server just got triggered

Meanwhile intel/nvidia chads are laughing per usual

[hard drift]

nvidia isn't laughing they're sweating because they don't have a substantial enough lead performance wise

[odd sand]

There was another tech video I listened to that said the example benchmarks for the 16c 7000 series were like 30% faster than the 12900K, so we'll have to see I guess.

[agile roost]

The only thing that’s sweating are the hilarious thermal readings amd can’t seem to get under control even with liquid cooling

[hard drift]

🤨 what are you even saying

[sick edge]

But isn't that what they're known for?

Being hotbois

[hard drift]

i mean nvidia isn't exactly cool, not to mention the memory chips on nvidia cards

[agile roost]

See we’ve been hearing the same swan song for the past like 5 generations and somehow in real world usage and testing intel still performs better? 👀

[sly elk]

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssL1DA_K0sI

[agile roost]

Look at that explosive performance wow

[hard drift]

you realize we're at the point for competition where they have traded crowns back and fourth right? we as consumers need them to trade blows not one to stay on top forever

[agile roost]

This tbh

[odd sand]

I mean, it was an AMD cherry-picked benchmark, so I'm sure the results vary wildly depending on specific use-case

[agile roost]

This tbh

[hard drift]

and we're already at the point where they are trading blows with both sides

[sly elk]

so AMD has proven 2 things to me time and time again

1. they can have slapdash quality, 2. they will milk the market every time they get an opportunity

[agile roost]

^

Basically

[hard drift]

i mean that goes for anyone on that second one

this is why we don't want just one on top forever

otherwise they'd milk consumers dry if possible

[odd sand]

And yes, the stream I listened to mentioned how ever since Ryzen2 broke open the market again, core counts, IPC, memory bandwidth etc etc has all been growing exponentially. Proving that Intel would have continued to sit back doling out 5% IPC gains per gen until AMD was relevant

[sly elk]

nah I think AMD is much more aggressive about that than intel and nvidia are

[agile roost]

Competition is what drives the market forward

[hard drift]

how so, did you even pay attention to 20 series?

[sly elk]

like, ya nvidia got a little slimey with GPUs when mining happened

[zealous wolf]

better to have competition now than pre-Ryzen days Intel dominated markets..

[odd sand]

AMD is already guilty of that. Their 5000 series are not nearly as good of a deal as the 3000 series was

[zealous wolf]

[sly elk]

but AMD basically tripled the prices of their GPUs

and every time there's a mining boom, AMD GPUs are the favored ones and every time their prices skyrocket overnight

[hard drift]

i mean amd wasn't favored this time except for ram amount, it used to be because of hbm but if they had ram to ram comparison nvidia would've been favored

[sly elk]

but they do the same with the CPUs

when intel has the crown: "We're the bargain alternative!"

when AMD has the fastest CPU: "Well, we've raised prices to match demand...."

[hard drift]

yeah but atleast amds platform is cheaper overall vs intel atleast it used to be

[sly elk]

idk

they are both selling low-mid-end motherboards for $400

[deep sapphire]

400 dollars for a low end board??? Wtf really? This market is a joke

[sly elk]

not low end

[agile roost]

Also one thing people seem to discount is beyond just hardware is the driver support and compatibility

[hard drift]

it is not 400 for a low-mid end board

[sly elk]

idk maybe i should have said mid end

[agile roost]

Which intel and nvidia still reign supreme by a landslide

[hard drift]

400 is more mid-high than low-mid

[sly elk]

i gotta think about it

mid-end = x570 with some OC functions but maybe not all of them, and definitely not the waterblock thingies

a maximus or a crosshair

those used to be $250-300

now they're $450+

[hard drift]

i mean crosshair was always higher end

it's not what your average person goes for

[sly elk]

my qualifying criteria for mid-end is stupid 😄 It has a permanently attached I/O cover

multiple nvme slots with heatsinks, a diagnostic 7 segment screen

[hard drift]

that'd be even my 150ish motherboard then... aside from the screen

[sly elk]

as great as they are, I wouldn't count a tomahawk as a midend board, for example

[odd sand]

It's only cheaper if all you care about is being able to slot a new CPU without replacing the motherboard. But in most cases you'll be severely limiting your CPU using a board that's like 3-4 gens old

[sly elk]

wait maybe i should

the newer ones have I/O shields 😄

[hard drift]

depends on the board/what you're upgrading to but yes, although there's still a lot to gain by doing so there's more to gain by upgrading boards as well

[odd sand]

The upside is the extremely niche use-case of being poor right now, so you slot in some shit CPU and then saving another year and putting in a proper CPU to the same board

[sly elk]

lol

[agile roost]

This tbh

[sly elk]

if you go by # of years

I don't think the board lifetime has really changed much?

[odd sand]

But then you spent the extra money on the CPU which you probably can't resell so is it really cheaper?

[agile roost]

^

Nope

[sly elk]

like back in 2001-2005 a 3 year old motherboard was OLD

[agile roost]

Should’ve just saved and gotten an intel chip

[sly elk]

like in 2001 a 3 year old motherboard was probably super socket 7

so maybe I'm too old for this game haha

but to me a major cpu upgrade = new motherboard

[odd sand]

Apparently the mobo for my old 3770K is starting to fail. I regifted that system to friends like 2 years ago, and they said the USB is starting to be glitchy and sometimes it fails to boot

[hard drift]

i mean that used to be true, but now it's sort of changed

[odd sand]

I told them to either bite the bullet and get another mobo at like $150 since it still ran fine otherwise, or wait until this fall when the CPU uplift happens

[sly elk]

yea hehe

[odd sand]

Although I may update my system this fall again, in which case I could probably just sell my current system to them

[sly elk]

like looking at my maximus xi... I want something with 10gbe and thunderbolt and pcie 4 (or pcie 5 😄 as if I needed it lol)

I can live without all of those things 😄

[odd sand]

In some cases it's more cost-effective to just buy a reasonable board tho and just slot in a 10gbe PCIe

[sly elk]

a proper thunderbolt setup where I could relay my gpu out into the thunderbolt and then plug in a nice 6k monitor would be.. nice...

-needs to stop thinking of irresponsible ways to waste money-

[odd sand]

They can be had for $100 or less, so if you're gonna spend $300 more on a board just to get 10gbe onboard, is that worth it?

[agile roost]

Not a waste if you’re happy

[sly elk]

to be fair, pro display XDRs will hold their value a lot better than an evga 3090

[agile roost]

Absolutely

For one it’s an Apple product

[deep sapphire]

I disagree, modern CPUs hold their value and practicality for much longer and when you actually should upgrade by then so many new standards and what not will be available to you

[agile roost]

This tbh

[deep sapphire]

If you’re buying a new processor every year even when you have a 10 core in the first place for example seems pretty pointless

Like I’m not gonna tell someone how to blow their cash but yeah

[sick edge]

Once you finish all the responsible ways for the month, aren't you just left with the irresponsible?

[modest moss]

kyanche do you need us to lecture you about not wasting money?

[jaunty light]

How dare u

Arent u buying a new v8 truck? U already got one fam

[modest moss]

you're a lost cause

[sly elk]

no, saving for a house!

[sick edge]

The most irresponsible~

[sly elk]

6% isn't that bad

[umbral moss]

it's funny because 6% used to be good

[sly elk]

exactly

[umbral moss]

but if you closed on a loan in january it was 2.99%

[sly elk]

like going back the last 20 years

6% was a respectable number for a long time

[umbral moss]

so that's like 30% more per payment

[sly elk]

yea

the housing market right now is super ugly

[umbral moss]

raising interest rates isn't doing anything but slowly fucking the US's debt obligation

the inflation spiral we're in isn't related to irrational exuberance or speculative balloons

it's just not enough fuckin stuff

[agile roost]

Print more money

[deep sapphire]

[umbral moss]

the funny thing is that people think M1/M2 supply is the problem, but it really isn't

[odd sand]

https://tenor.com/view/make-it-rain-gif-24641537

[sly elk]

idk, companies buying up all the houses cash is kind of a problem lol

[umbral moss]

demand is there and the credit market is healthy enough that even if the federal reserve didn't print free money via stimulus programs the demand wouldn't abate

[odd sand]

Yeah, we really need to make it so housing isn't a primary investment strategy

[umbral moss]

where we are currently isn't in any classical macro economics textbooks

[umbral moss]

dividend investing is literally the safest investment strategy

[odd sand]

If a house isnt your primary residence, there needs to be controls and high taxes

[umbral moss]

REITs are structured in a tax advantaged way that they have to return their profits to the shareholders as dividends

[sly elk]

but aren't we also kinda in a situation where some land is worthless and some is worth a fortune and a half

because the desirability just isn't there

[umbral moss]

so as the market becomes more volatile, more money goes into REITs because rent is guaranteed income

and with more capital REITs will expand to generate more revenue, which means buying more houses

[agile roost]

How much does the earth cost?

🤔

[sly elk]

like, yes, I could get a nicer house for far, far less money in some parts of the country right now

[agile roost]

Just print more money

Metaphorically speaking

[sly elk]

?

[umbral moss]

yeah, that's the problem though

people are taking their big dick money from a coastal state and moving to like, mississippi

and buying houses cash

which is squeezing locals out and blowing up home prices everywhere

[sly elk]

but people are taking their big dick money from other countries and buying houses cash in the coastal states lol

[umbral moss]

it's less of a problem in the US than in canada

canada's real estate market is heavily influenced by chinese real estate buyers

that sounds mildly illegal

no company offers you a kickback of shares

and you can't declare unrealized gains as "lowered" income

[sly elk]

idk dude. We get calls all the time offering to buy the house we're living in with cash (and we're ... not the owners )

[umbral moss]

poggin

[sly elk]

lol afaik the landlord constantly refinances this place to leverage the shit out of it

pft. invitation homes.

there was another company but i forgot their name

[agile roost]

How is that legal but free speech isn’t

Pepega trudough

[jaunty light]

websites that block u from copy pasting password manager BEGONE

[sly elk]

lol

i hate those

imagine how much other shit they break

like screen readers and stuff

heh i wonder if web3.0 shit broke the internet for blind people

[umbral moss]

isn't web 3.0 shit just scams

how to grift money from rubes, 2022 edition

join the metaverse

enjoy advertising from $brand

[deep sapphire]

Hey!

They had craftsman!

https://youtu.be/4rqZZgVxnCk

[umbral moss]

is that 5.5GHz on a mobile chip?

[hard drift]

desktop chip

[odd sand]

web2.0 already broke the internet for blind people unless the site owner is extremely diligent in providing an HTML1.0 text version of the site. Even then it's usually only the most important bits of the site

[sly elk]

all the dark patterns to maximize engagement and ad revenue and 'reactive' mobile/desktop layouts and and and

it all makes the internet very broken ><

[hard drift]

that's sustained with only a 280 aio

[sly elk]

hehe

I have a 280 aio 😄

[deep sapphire]

Go to bed

https://youtu.be/OZ7PeCpmzZY the song of Intel

[dull garnet]

AMD be like https://youtu.be/5nrMIJWQ7Ek

[deep sapphire]

Lmao I love this movie

[sly elk]

that laptop looks nais.

[sly elk]

Admittedly that keyboard looks like crap

I don’t like numpads on laptops

[odd sand]

I figured this would be that expensive daughterboard on the back we've seen before, but no its just a custom board https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7yRd_Tk9XY

[dull garnet]

no cable design
install an aio

[sly elk]

Lol the video card is great because they’ve always been like that

They should just make all their cards have mounting brackets for the PSU cables on both sides

[odd sand]

The best part is the no airflow so the system temps hit 96C

What is the point of eliminating all the visible cables if the system can't operate?

[potent arrow]

Be like me and have a sub 9L with a leaky loop

Literally have to stop prog sometimes to top off the loop

[umbral moss]

poggin, me too

my tower has been whining for water for like six months

I don't want to fill it until I move though, because it's less water to carry

[sharp star]

https://youtu.be/Mt27luCbjmI

[dull garnet]

looks like every pc case these days

[sly elk]

Like a fish tank

[umbral moss]

should just use a fish tank and a submerged pump, honestly

[sly elk]

to be fair, this was a good business decision, because I'm already starting to see H7s a lot on /r/battlestations and stuff

and you see almost nothing but Lian Li O11s

the cases that lean on style instead don't sell that well

and the push for simple looking boxes has made cases with no glass look very bland, too

[languid lava]

i almost got one for my last personal build a couple years ago, but im glad i didnt, i cant stand em now

im ngl

i thought of the raid

[odd sand]

Yeah it's kinda silly at this point how popular the O11 has gotten, especially for such a chonky case.

Previously it was what? The NZXT H510 or something that we saw everyone and their mom get?

[umbral moss]

time to buck the trend and make our own cases

[languid lava]

the H510 is a lil box with the small side window?

or is the 510 the trophy case

[umbral moss]

depends if you ask your girlfriend

[odd sand]

And has the accent stripe over part of the cable enclosure at the bottom

[umbral moss]

esoteric sneakers, $3080

[odd sand]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnamgamingshow-liquid-cooling-pc-build-cool-gif-16874819

That case

[languid lava]

o yah 510i

[umbral moss]

no thanks

[odd sand]

I think the O11 is popular bc everyone wants to hide the cables behind the motherboard, but then it gets SUPER crowded under there and becomes hard to get the case panel on (Just look at that LTT video with the stealth case for example)

So that extra 2 inches of affordance makes it so you don't have to take a running leap at your case to close it

https://tenor.com/view/angry-football-punch-tackle-gif-12678601

Why do you need 3 of them...

That's not what they mean when they say to diversify your portfolio

[umbral moss]

get a load of this guy, only 13 fans

[odd sand]

I have 7, its fine.

[umbral moss]

I have a design in mind for my custom case that needs 18 fans

12 just for the radiators

[odd sand]

Remember to factor in the cost of the hernia to total cost of ownership

[umbral moss]

I mean, my current case is 0.8mm cold rolled steel

it weighs 85lb unloaded

it's a full ATX tower with all steel construction

I mean, I chose the steel case because it was $120

instead of $450 for an aluminum one in the same size class

I have a laser cutter on order but I don't know when it will show up

probably christmas if they don't just take my money and fuck off into the sun

[languid lava]

i do not miss these

o net died

rip

[sly elk]

see, that case would still look interesting without a side window

[kindred brook]

http://nordic.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00002458

[misty pawn]

thats pretty cool actually

[modest moss]

this is my kind of case

no fancy shit, no rgb, just spacious and sturdy

[sick edge]

Mines tbe far version if thaf

[boreal surge]

So what sortagame is this?

[languid lava]

i saw one exactly like this yesterday, one sec

nvm i thought it was something cool it was just the antec corque

[sharp star]

okay I'm just

seeing r/battlestations and yep, it's either O11s or H7s

If I posted mine they'd probably downvote me for having a Torrent or something

[sly elk]

it's the truth lol

[sharp star]

It's all the cases with so much fucking glass

they also have an unhealthy obsession with RGB LEDs and those dumb leaf things

idk I was just told they do

Also IKEA furniture

oh Jesus Christ that's too much RGB

[sly elk]

you just reminded me

thanks.

there's one other case you see a lot besides O11s and H7s

the douche bro Meshify case

the "I'm too mature for childish RGB" case

[sick edge]

confused, why you post?

[sick edge]

but still has tempered glass....

[sly elk]

that way everyone can see your chad heatsink

and brown noctua fans, ofc

that said, chromax fans look sick

if you do a proper theme with the rubber trim and matching custom sleeve cables?

also at the end of the day I really can't hate on performance for the buck, so

[odd sand]

The kind that wants your wallet

[boreal surge]

Well I know it’s likely a gacha game, aside from that

[odd sand]

Why is this the douche case? I got the white version of that for my friends when I regifted my old parts lol

Bc Fractal makes quality cases, the mesh pattern in the front looks nice, and exactly bc they're not the type that cares about barfing rainbows. (Although I think some of the fans in it still have some LEDs)

[odd sand]

I've only seen a little bit. Looks like it might be somewhere between Genshin and Dragalia Lost in presentation and gameplay

[sly elk]

because every time someone makes a gross post on /r/pcmasterrace or /r/battlestations about how their setup has no RGB and they think RGB is ghetto trash, lo and behold, they have that case

[odd sand]

Also it has easy to pull and clean filters and they have pets so that sorta stuff gets sucked into the intake

[sly elk]

it's like the thing on reddit about bad drivers and nissans lol

you're not a bad driver just because you have a nissan

lol

[odd sand]

But yeah, I got that bc the price was okay, looks decent, they're not LEET GAMERS and have small kids and pets, etc. Put my 3770K in there along with a 1660 Super I bought before the market went insane so it was only $225

[dull garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/sweat-down-my-cheek-bead-nervous-hot-gif-20243917

[sly elk]

LEET GAMERS

[odd sand]

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-bebe-on-ta-bebe-chucky-gif-18770856

I've heard bad things about the remake so I've shied away from watching it lol

[dull garnet]

I took the badge off 😎

[odd sand]

Speaking of cleaning filters...

[sly elk]

i usually take it as people who take everything too seriously and can't have a little fun

[dull garnet]

[odd sand]

I've got a pretty deep counter-trend streak myself, but I know not to take it too far.

[sly elk]

i think arctic's aio looks sick

and I think their fans are the best choice lol

you can't argue with those prices

[odd sand]

Like my initial reaction to new shit is to be like "Uhh no, that's dumb" But I will (usually) at least examine it to see if my gut reaction is correct

[dull garnet]

mine were £5 a piece

[dull garnet]

Noctua 12x25 whatever are like 25

i can't justify that

[sly elk]

like the price of one stupid corsair fan

and you get 5!

and they are the coolest looking fan without rgb

[odd sand]

eg: I can't be assed to be all indignant about Win11. It's fine ... certainly not perfect and still kinda buggy but its on my Studio Laptop and its w/e

[sly elk]

I do think the chromax fans look sexy when used in a good color theme

also noctua doesn't sell just the fan

which annoys me

in a build you're going to get a low noise adapter and some other junk

[odd sand]

I have a set of these in my case on my rad https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-cl-f038-pl12bu-a-case-fan/p/N82E16835106325

They make an RGB version of them, but this is just the solid blue ones

[dull garnet]

my Antec 900 had blue LED fans

I think that was the last time I had LED fans

[odd sand]

Then the 3 front case fans are RGB bc they came with the Corsair X570 case

[dull garnet]

soul

[odd sand]

And since I cna't change the other fans I just leave it all blue

Yeah whatever happened to Antec? They were so dominant, then they just... disappeared.

PSUs as well, you hardly see them recommended anymore

[dull garnet]

i've had a few

[odd sand]

Antec300 and 900 were top choices 10 years ago

NZXT was like Enermax or early Steelseries-tier garbage, then they struck gold with the H510

(Granted, that case still has terrible thermals I've heard)

[sly elk]

:\ sorry for being a jerk about cases

LOL

[odd sand]

How do you go bankrupt at this point given how hot the parts market was?

Speculated on GPUs too hard? lol

Oh it's your computer store going out of business?

Yeah I think in a lot of cases the most efficient way is "Choose your parts and I'll give you a quote based on estimated build hours"

Although build times have gone up a lot with including AIOs and RGB lights now etc. I technically have a hub for mine, but I'm too lazy to do anything fancy with it

[sick edge]

"put of his garage" imagine having a garage

[kindred brook]

man I had that case too

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71RuAzF6yjL._AC_SL1500_.jpg

I wanted this

modular design

thought it was neat lol

[sick edge]

Imagine being "less"

[sick edge]

I like it but that means each piece has to have its own cooling, no?

[paper tusk]

they are still around as a zombie company. maybe can find a ripoff case or an earthwise psu around. I think they died off because of shitty quality control and not investing in new case designs relative to diy and other budget to mid price brands

[kindred brook]

yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMcE3cRHLRc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFBl3YkmONs

[sick edge]

Cool, but meh, also I do like symmetry.

Buyt hey no tempered glass.

THis case is old cause this LTT is old. XD

Oh there IS tempered glass.. booo..

BUt I can't jusdge, my case is also old

And I bought it thismonth, so.. XD

Also easily took of yhe log so now its logoless, which is my style.

[odd sand]

Looks like it was vaguely inspired by Republic cruisers in Star Wars

[agile roost]

On carpet tho

[sly elk]

Phones looking so generic in 2022, that even companies are confused, whose phone it is

US$ 1,599. Though Sony says it will ship it everything once it is oficially launched on September, including a 30W charger.

[modest moss]

$1600 for a phone is ridiculous

[sly elk]

agreed

I was going to say 'especially a sony' but really, even if it were an iphone that's nigh insane

[modest moss]

shit, buy a $200 phone, a PS5 and a new TV for that cash

[sly elk]

but I assume pretty much everything android is "it might get an update but you shouldn't count on anything other than what it ships with"

[odd sand]

I had to read your comment before I noticed it was the wrong support LOL

[modest moss]

I mean, I'm still on android 6.0.1 and it works fine

[odd sand]

Although honestly: do people really care what their phone looks like and expect innovation? It's a thin brick and consumers don't want extra bulk added with aesthetic addons ... so what do you do with it?

That's how my Xperia Z3 lasted almost 5 years while still being fairly quick: The only OS update it had was from 5.0 to 5.1.1

My Tab A had a forced update from 7.0 to 8.0, then I couldn't play one of my games on it anymore without lagging

[modest moss]

make calls, send texts, play a few basic games, take ok pictures

that's all I need from a phone

I mean, skype/whatsapp/discord are useful too

[agile roost]

Android taking more Ls

[odd sand]

It's not like Apple hasn't been guilty of mudflating their phones in the past

The issue is security updates until more recently were tied directly to OS version

So if you didn't update the OS, you just literally had no patching

[sick edge]

What am I supposed to do about that, likeseriously?

[agile roost]

Do you have anything that can be used as an elevated surface?

😳

[sick edge]

All tabels are taken.

I got a tv dinner table that gets folded away.

This thing is too chonky to put on anything with me stillb eing able to use it?

[sick edge]

You're jsut paying for the camera and screen resolution, eventually

Processor I suppose but at msot the processor only would make the phone 600 or seomthing.

[modest moss]

yep, and even lower res modern screens look pretty good at 6"

[sick edge]

so you pad onto that with commodities, bang boom, you got a 1.6K phone

Some people are.. what's.. the term for it...

power suers?

users*

[agile roost]

You mean all they do is text and check email?

[sick edge]

I think they like.. do a lot of stuff on it.

[agile roost]

And porn?

[sick edge]

You can have your phone be a lot of things and want to like, watch high fidelity while not at home.

If people weren't just buying it, theyw ouldn't keep making int hat direction, I assume.

[modest moss]

they open netflix 5% faster?

[sly elk]

bestbuy had a unwritten promo of getting a $50 galaxy watch 4 with a $500 z flip 3

I was tempted but I haven't bitten 😄

i wanna get a piano >>

[sick edge]

I for one hope they don't go full buttonless.

[sly elk]

but idk when i'm going to do that xD

[sick edge]

What's a zflip?

[modest moss]

don't buy a piano until you buy a house to put it in

[sick edge]

And I'm gonna assume.. play it?

Naaaah.

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/phone-gif-18480686

[sly elk]

duh!

nah I'm talking about an electronic one not a legit piano

[sick edge]

He's a male in his 20's with a room. He'll get an electric piano, obviously.

^^^

=P

XD

Stereotypes I can track.

[sly elk]

pft I rent a house but really I don't get the whole house to myself :p

[sick edge]

House renting prices.. gross.

[modest moss]

kyanche is dad way before he should have to be dad tbh

[sick edge]

Or dad at the right age but he don't want the kids he has.

Or a wife.

Or a support system really

[sly elk]

i talk way too much

[odd sand]

You get a piece of 20mm pine board and put the case on it

Or whatever piece of scrap wood you can get to fit the size

[sly elk]

you can also use a small bookshelf or a tv stand or something

or a side table

[agile roost]

Anything is better than carpet

So many particles dust mites hair dandruff dead skin etc

[sick edge]

I don't own any side tables

But also, this whole corner of the room is....

occupied

[sly elk]

take a look around amazon or walmart or ikea or whatever, there are a number of options in just about every price range

what's with the microphone cover o_O

[sick edge]

Just for something to holed up a PC?.. I dunno

[sly elk]

just?

bruh!

[sick edge]

Oh, that's the one I take to work if I need a mic at work.

And it doesn't exactly have a case.

Sooo...

[sly elk]

I have my pc sitting on a pretty nice tv stand :]

[sick edge]

TV stands are fat.

Fat AF

Also I don't know if they make them at this wifth.

Bout 17ishinches wide.

can round up to 18 but 17 would definitely fit

Also if I were gonna BUY furniture I woulda gotten a better table in general.

But I got this for free sooo.. really, it's jsut that kinda living I have

[agile roost]

Lol Linus tech tips

[sick edge]

I got the bottle they had before they made the change to a normal spout. ;~;

[agile roost]

Use that weird Lego foam mat thing

[sick edge]

I am.

That's what it's on on the sides.

Oh I have those in a layer, THOSE aren't on the floor cause I need to move it to fit.

[agile roost]

Just don’t want crap getting sucked into your case and causing issues for your components

[sick edge]

Only exhaust from the bottom is PSU.

So... eh.

[agile roost]

Unless you have the bottom blowing out air

And top taking in

[sick edge]

I'm gonna assume that's how the PSU is oriented.

BUt I haven't clue

I dunno, maybe goodwill has somethign I guess

BUt I don't need nothin' that's more than 10$

[modest moss]

literally get a square of mdf to put it on

cheap af

[hard drift]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-ryzen-7000-arent-powerful-enough-for-gaming/ okay now wtf AMD, the gpu compute units will not be good enough for gaming and those kinds of chips will be apus so "cpus" get some just for diagnostic (makes sense) but are too weak to really game on (just why amd, why limit that to just apus)

[modest moss]

that's kinda fail

[hard drift]

so it's 1/4th the power of steamdeck roughly for just the rdna 2 compute units unless there's more improvements to the CUs themselves on just cpus vs apus

the apus better be killer if this is what they are doing

[latent grotto]

They're taking the intel approach

[hard drift]

i mean we already know they are going to have gaming apus

[latent grotto]

Maybe its because of heat constraints?

[hard drift]

100% confirmed, but why they are limiting desktop that much in their whole cpus vs apus is just odd

[modest moss]

so we wait and see what the 7600g or whatever is?

[hard drift]

pretty much

i imagine the 7600g will be twice as powerful as steamdeck

if not, amd is just dumb

i hope for a 7700g being 8 cores and 16+ CUs and the rest being less with a 7400g being the steamdeck apu pretty much but more power

[modest moss]

I'll just continue on with my reject hardware whatever lol

[hard drift]

lol

i mean not taking into account CUs and cores and such. the cpus CUs will probably be more powerful anyways since they're not power constrained like the steamdeck

since the steamdeck with 8 CUs is only 4-15w

so who knows, maybe just maybe, 2 CUs with a 45-85+w power envelope will be powerful

but atleast it's a step in the right direction for the whole diagnostic aspect

[umbral moss]

I mean, at the end of the day it's CUs that determine actual performance, not TDP/TGP

[hard drift]

i mean yeah, but we don't know what else is changed aside from it having a whole new IO die on the chip

[umbral moss]

if you took 2 SMCs and put it on the same power budget as the full 30 SMCs or whatever shit nvidia is doing with their full die, it wouldn't be anywhere near the same performance

[hard drift]

yeah, but i still hope it performs better than 1/4th steamdeck performance

otherwise it's just sad 😭

[umbral moss]

for the APU, I'd bet on it having real graphics performance

[hard drift]

yeah

but cpus with the CUs idk

[umbral moss]

the steamdeck is using a graphics-focused chip so yeah, it's obviously going to be graphics capable

[hard drift]

i know they confirmed having 16CU apus coming but i was hoping for atleast better igpu on all cpus (although having an igpu vs no igpu is technically "better" but yeah)

[umbral moss]

16 CU sounds like it might be getting in on obviating the midrange GPU lines

[hard drift]

for sure, which i mean i'm fine with

apus are for sure going to get more powerful and overtake some of that low-mid range and i mean, they'll probably make the cpus price reflect some of that

so instead of people having to pay for a dedicated gpu in the dead price range of sub 200 you'd pay for a 400 dollar apu or something

[modest moss]

I might be interested if AMD pop out a 7600g or whatever that is a dramatic improvement on this 4690k/1080 box at a cheap price

[hard drift]

i doubt it'd be better than 1080 performance but it for sure would be nice to have just an apu in terms of aesthetics if you care about that

but then you have to pay for ddr5 and x650/670/670E depending on what you're after. the good part is that active cooling isn't needed this generation (thank goodness) those chipset fans are obnoxious

[modest moss]

of course I don't care about aesthetics

[hard drift]

😭

i'd like a clean build with little to no rgb 🙏

[modest moss]

I'd also be interested if it used significantly less power for similar performance

[hard drift]

oh it probably will

[modest moss]

the way fuel bills are going here, it's going to be very costly to run a gaming pc

[hard drift]

i imagine we'll see an apu for 1080p 60fps+ with the 7600g/7700g

i can just imagine those laptops and the battery performance 🙏

[modest moss]

my electricity bill is looking like being maybe 3x what it was a year ago by the time we hit october

so if I can save cash that way, it might be worth it

we'll see

[hard drift]

yeah for sure

[deep sapphire]

[sick edge]

Kids use a lot of power.

[umbral moss]

poggin, love to see it

I want to install solar on my roof and call it a day

[hard drift]

what 😔

[jaunty light]

[umbral moss]

quois?

🤔

what

is it for grid-tie applications?

well, the utilities aren't fans of people getting functionally free power

if I did solar I'd also convert to heat pump and use that extra power

get off fucking fuel oil as soon as possible

heat pumps more efficient and cheaper to operate, especially with solar on hand

[deep sapphire]

Only if you live in a climate that doesn’t get below freezing

No thanks I’ll keep my natural gas

[modest moss]

ed, you still haven't built your personal mini nuclear reactor yet?

[deep sapphire]

My PC was making some funny coil whine that was quite loud

Maybe my 8 year old PSU is finally dying

[umbral moss]

you say that like I haven't thought of converting the 150 gallon oil tank on my property into a reactor

[modest moss]

no I say it like I'm certain you've thought of it in great detail lol

[umbral moss]

even if I got caught trafficking black market enriched uranium and paid a fine it would still be cheaper than putting oil in that fucker

oh yeah, absolutely

[modest moss]

Hank gonna build a new pc

[umbral moss]

I saw something in passing about using an aqueous fissionable fuel so there's no "rods"

[deep sapphire]

Probably not

[modest moss]

12900k, 3090ti, just to jerk off to pixiv and order tools online

[deep sapphire]

Home Depot in 8K

[modest moss]

cat girls in UHD

[deep sapphire]

[agile roost]

Why are you personally attacking me

[umbral moss]

too bad there's no single chip solution to build a 300W desktop 😔

[agile roost]

[deep sapphire]

You mean like every office PC ever made?

[umbral moss]

I want to play video games on it like my current desktop though

😔

[deep sapphire]

Mac

[modest moss]

Ps4

[deep sapphire]

Fitness equipment

[modest moss]

Nvidia now streaming bs

[deep sapphire]

[sick edge]

Do you thinkt he pc could be put on the evga box and be jsut fine?

The box itself seems pretty solid

[umbral moss]

I said play video games

not watch other people play video games

[deep sapphire]

[umbral moss]

it's too bad microsoft didn't add dual boot to windows for the xbox

[sick edge]

Other than the licensing issues, which,r eally, I think developers are in the wrong for, it's a pretty solid service. O~O

[umbral moss]

the xbox already uses fucking windows 11 with a hypervisor

there's no reason they can't do it other than they don't want to

[deep sapphire]

https://youtu.be/ySlBGp-cHXI

[jaunty light]

i do enjoy seeing naming conventions of other orgs

tokyo 1 ip56 at iij

then america is like AETHER 9 AT AREA 03 IN SEATTLE WASHINGTON AREA ONE AT US BLACKBERRY GIN&TONIC NTT

or xe 0 1 0 1 1 r00 sacramento

who the fuck names their server like that lmao

[odd sand]

You're still on heating oil? Big oof. My parents furnace died in 2005, but then the fuel prices jumped in 2008 or w/e so around 2009 he ate the cost and bought a natural gas furnace instead.

I think he lost like $2500 on the furnace selling it to someone else for like $500 or something, but fuel oil was up to like $300/mo or something during winter, so the fact the natural gas was literally like 30 dollars a month paid for itself very quickly

[jaunty light]

I tried to get to sea001 as well but 5 phx-b1-link.ip.twelve99.net [62.115.184.196] reports: Destination net unreachable.

F

that SE server name though

[umbral moss]

not my choice, that's what the house came with 😔

oil is like $230 a month

[odd sand]

And I assume you don't have a natgas pipeline in the neighborhood?

[umbral moss]

there might be natgas but I would rather just put heat pumps in and a tankless heater

poggin

[odd sand]

True, but I assume the base install costs on running heat pumps to the entire house would be a lot higher

[sly elk]

honestly

I'm surprised that major cities still wouldn't have natural gas

[umbral moss]

NYC banned natural gas hookups

[umbral moss]

sort of, some states have rebates for installing heat pump systems

like NYS is something around $7500 in rebates/tax incentives

which is a pretty large chunk of the install cost

[dull garnet]

I think most people did if they owned a PC around 2008

[royal forge]

Alright. Dippin toes in pc buildin again. The last time i built was when 970 was "new"

i9 is like i7 on steroids, yes?

[sly elk]

i never had either of those cases :\

I've only ever bought 4. #1 was a translucent blue/white 'suntek', #2 was a silver raidmax with a side window, #3 was an all glass inwin, #4 was the smashed beverage cup inwin that I currently have 😄

[agile roost]

yes

if you can afford it, it's a phenomenal i-series of chips for gaming and production

[royal forge]

Oh it has actual benefits in gaming?

[agile roost]

absolutely

[royal forge]

Ok, lemme rephrase, is it worth the significant price increase?

I've been redpilled by @deep sapphire to skip AMD

[agile roost]

what are the chips you're considering?

[royal forge]

Just window shoppin atm

If intel or AMD is hintin at new shit, I might jump pn

On*

More likely jump on Intel tbh, after the grief AMD has caused

[agile roost]

https://infogram.com/intel-core-i7-vs-core-i9-gaming-charts-1h7j4dkkvl7d6nr

[umbral moss]

AMD CPUs are apparently fine

but their sockets are like, 12 year lifecycles so they age out pretty rapidly

[odd sand]

I assume the idea is you use the heat pump rebates instead then? Bc natgas is so much cheaper and better than oil

[umbral moss]

currently only NYC has banned new hookups, they're looking to phase out carbon heating entirely

[odd sand]

AMD always provides bullshit benchmarks, so you never know with them until 3rd parties are able to test

[umbral moss]

refrigerant gas from heat pumps isn't exactly much better

but it still consumes less energy than point of use natgas or fuel oil

[latent grotto]

Intel does that too tho

[sly elk]

don't forget apple's way of benchmarking 😄

It features the world’s fastest CPU core in low-power silicon, the world’s best CPU performance per watt, the world’s fastest integrated graphics in a personal computer, and breakthrough machine learning performance with the Apple Neural Engine. As a result, M1 delivers up to 3.5x faster CPU performance, up to 6x faster GPU performance, and up to 15x faster machine learning, all while enabling battery life up to 2x longer than previous-generation Macs.

15x faster!!

[odd sand]

https://tenor.com/view/racing-racingstripe-simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-25164576

[umbral moss]

15x faster at emptying your bank account

M1 ultra ultra plus pro

only $9,999 to upgrade

[sly elk]

it doesn't include the $700 wheels

i admit

i still want one of these

maybe in 20 years when I can find one heavily used for like $1k

[umbral moss]

you need the special reinforced unobtanium alloy wheels to remove the negative vibes from the room where your new M1 ultra ultra plus pro will be installed

so that'll be another $22,000 please

precision ground ruby bearings on unobtanium casters

[sly elk]

i mean you can get a basic mac pro for 6k but it's got a like 3 year old xeon

and admittedly that's a waste because the base model has a wicked motherboard and you're not using any of it in the $6k config

I think the closest equivalent would be some $1-2k tyan/supermicro thing that still won't be as nice

[odd sand]

@deep sapphire Hank, when did I move back to Cali? Why is 91 octane 5.35 here?

[sly elk]

let's see. i filled up the car today and 87 at arco was 5.69

actually down a little. when i filled my jeep up yesterday i paid 5.93 x_X

[odd sand]

And arco is the cheapo gas too

Unfortunately my car needs 91 and im biased towards the main brands bc when I had my saturn it always shit itself on low quality gas

Does that even do anything tho? Bc the MPG is worse, so you're just filling up more often

I'm more fortunate than most bc I work from home and I want to lose weight, so I've been biking more.

I biked to the grocery store last time even and just loaded up my backpack

So I only bring my car out like 1-2x a week

[dusty needle]

Apologies if this is the wrong channel.

Does anyone play with both the Razed Naga Pro mouse and a MacBook Pro - is it compatible? Mixed answers on Google.

Thank you.

Is this when you assign a side button as a hot key in FFXIV?

Ah ok - in which case, I think I should not buy it.

I’m looking for an MMO mouse suitable with MacBook Pro

I seee

I see

And does that mean I also can’t change the colour to pink? #priorities

I’ve just seen the link you provided. Are some mice Synapse 2 and some are Synapse 3? So if I get one which is Synapse 2, I should be ok?

Thanks for your help btw

What’s that?

Just googled - looks like a good mouse. But yeah I’ll need to see if it works with MAC

So I would need to programme it first on windows? What a pain 😭

Ah ok I see thank you for that.

[deep sapphire]

Fuuuuuu that’s rough

[proven oyster]

I may need to get a new mouse
So i am wondering if i can ask for suggestions about such . o.

[agile roost]

Of course you can lol

Like someone probably suggested earlier Razer is a solid mouse brand

[real edge]

razer is a marketing brand more than a solid mouse brand

I have my logitech G600 for 4-5 years now and its working perfectly.

it is a 5yr old mouse

so its sensor will be lackluster

compared to current standards

but it has worked perfectly for me for any type of game for many years now

[modest moss]

I just use a logitech g203 and I'm pretty happy with it, cheap, works pretty well

[modest moss]

it's wired yeah, I've had too many issues with wireless peripherals so I went back to wired and don't regret it

budget is important to me, so the slight irritation of wires is worth it

[agile roost]

Wired forever

I love my death adder v2

https://tenor.com/view/sneki-sneki-snek-razer-gif-22376941

[deep sapphire]

Fuck yeah

It’s been reliable for me, the old DAs were terrible lmao

[agile roost]

😌

[somber solstice]

death adder gang

[agile roost]

🐍🐍🐍

[somber solstice]

tbh bought it because people said it is durable since mouse tend to ghost click after a year of use

[agile roost]

i went into a microcenter and tried out the mice and keyboards

[deep sapphire]

Yeah the old one had notorious double click issues

[agile roost]

wasn't a fan of how the logitech stuff looked and felt

[deep sapphire]

The V2 has been solid for me

[agile roost]

yep i remember the double click issue

[somber solstice]

💀

feels like they are doing it on purpose

[agile roost]

this

[somber solstice]

[agile roost]

corsair is also a solid brand

[somber solstice]

expensive