technology-discussion

[umbral moss]

sell a fixed function arm for 5x what you'd get an adjustable one for

and tell people it's premium for pro users

[odd sand]

Why do that when they can charge you $1000 for their own

[sly elk]

all this said

the $400/$1000 stand's defining feature.. is a nerfed uglier version of the iMac G4's arm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5P3QDm61go

so cute xD

it's funny that they came out with those so many years ago, and still took forever to come out with desktop monitors (or imacs even) that were any attempt at being as ergonomic

[outer sand]

so apparently my hard drive started making a clicking sound for some reason ( 10 + years old )

and can't be mounted (just now), I turned it off, what to do to recover what's inside?

[modest moss]

you're probably fucked tbh

[outer sand]

nani

[modest moss]

if it's clicking it's probably dead and you'd have to pay a professional a bunch of cash to open it up in a controlled environment

[hardy mauve]

You might get lucky if you let it set for a bit.

[modest moss]

you might be able to put it in the freezer and get it working for a bit, but not always

[outer sand]

ah ok, yeah I'll just buy a hard drive now, hope it's turned on later, then quickly move all the things inside to the new hard drive

[modest moss]

good luck

[outer sand]

ty ty

what's current average size for HDD?

🤔

the one that broke just now is just 2 terrabyte, but it's like 10+ years ago lol

[hard drift]

1-2tb is pretty average

[outer sand]

owh, I thought bigger size would be cheaper now

[boreal surge]

Yeah I’d say get 2TB unless you have a horrible steam backlog

[hard drift]

i mean it's cheaper than back then probably but nobody really buys hdd for mass storage like that really, ssds are cheap enough now

[boreal surge]

Even then 2TB is only needed if you’re bad at cleaning up games you don’t play (which I am)

[hard drift]

i have 7TB of storage and i don't even use more than 2 really...

[outer sand]

owh, my HDD is only for pics, movies, musics storage

games is in SSD yeah

I have a very old movie series that I backed up long time ago from DVD/BRIP I rented, etc

[hard drift]

also what speed is your HDD?

[outer sand]

hmm let me check if I can still remember what's the series name

[hard drift]

because 7200 is pretty common/cheap now at 1-2tb vs say older/slower speeds

[boreal surge]

I know mine’s a 2tb firecuda

[outer sand]

exactly this one https://www.usedprice.com/items/computer/iomega/hard-disk-drive/ldhdup2-615179.html

isn't written the speed there, how to check the speed? 🤔

[boreal surge]

...

[outer sand]

dam 2010.. so it's 12 years ago :/

[boreal surge]

Why the fuck is the firecuda $100 more expnesive than when I bought it in 2019

[outer sand]

I guess with cloud storage now maybe I just buy another 2 tb...

or do I need like more than 2tb, just in case the amount of pic/music/video I want to store for collection increased?

I mean back then, there was no netflix, etc lol

that's why I back up these movies

[boreal surge]

But yeah from what I’m checking for laptops,
Barracuda - $65
Firecuda - $160-230
Samsung Ssd - $200

Ok I’m not sure why yall recommend just get an SSD here.

[outer sand]

does speed matters in term of reliability?

[hard drift]

firecuda isn't really the hdd line anymore is why

it's mainly a hybrid drive now

meaning sshd

[outer sand]

what's hybrid drive? ._.

[hard drift]

has some flash storage to accelerate the drive

[outer sand]

oh, this is cool

[boreal surge]

Yeah but I recall that it was already a sshd in 2019.

And I bought it for 65 to shove in my laptop.

Mmm gotta check camelcamelcamel for price history I guess

[hard drift]

also the fact that it uses flash storage and shortages and such going on is probably why it went up

[boreal surge]

Ah.... right. Transistor shenanigans

[outer sand]

how many RPM is recommended? for long-term use?

[hard drift]

go for 7200 generally but 5400 is usable

[outer sand]

how does it work? the faster it is, the faster the read/write but sacrificing longevity?

[boreal surge]

The idea of the SSHD is basically you now have a cache for your HDD, similar to how your CPU has a cache for your RAM.

[hard drift]

also is your hdd external???

[outer sand]

yeah, this one is just for storage... so external

back then before I bought my PC, I only had laptops

and don't have much space to add more HDD, etc

moving to your friends house to watch movie together was still pretty common too

[boreal surge]

External hdd speeds can be limited by how you attach to computer

[hard drift]

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FireCuda-Gaming-Drive-External/dp/B08Y1S6R1V?th=1 can get a 5tb one for 145ish

[outer sand]

now I'm not buying external anymore, lol

[hard drift]

ah okay

[latent grotto]

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-BarraCuda-Internal-Drive-3-5-Inch/dp/B07D9C7SQH/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2SCWWAUMY33Y&keywords=seagate+4tb&qid=1648509759&sprefix=seagate+4tb%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-3

i have 2 of these

[boreal surge]

I read you can take out the hdd from the external hdd shell and shove it in your computer

Er... that does not sound average

[hard drift]

what?

[latent grotto]

i mean

$70

[hard drift]

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-BarraCuda-Internal-Drive-3-5-Inch/dp/B07H2RR55Q/ref=sr_1_3?crid=AMCMOHEM0S0F&keywords=seagate+7200rpm&qid=1648509895&sprefix=seagate+7200rpmn%2Caps%2C50&sr=8-3 2tb 7200 for 47 but yeah, they're both about average

[latent grotto]

hdd prices are pretty low

[boreal surge]

Ok yeah I was not seeing shit

[hard drift]

lmao

that's a huge spike

[latent grotto]

is there even a reason to get an sshd

[boreal surge]

I should buy a hdd and resell my firecuda

[outer sand]

so basically only get seagate brand yeah?

I'm also seeing WD blue/purple, is this good?

since like everyone only talking about seagate 😹

[latent grotto]

seagate has a decent reputation atm

wd is also perfectly fine

[boreal surge]

Tbh only reason i got the firecuda was that at the time the diff between the regular one was less than 10. Or it was cheaper

[hard drift]

blue is their lower end and purple i'm pretty sure is a specific type of hdd not a consumer one

yeah, purple is surveillance drives

[latent grotto]

yea

black is their "premium"

[boreal surge]

Iirc when I bought my hdd I was mainly considering price and warranty

[hard drift]

by the time your drive fails/dies usually it's out of warranty

unless you extend it

[latent grotto]

i don't even know what the warranty is on mine

[outer sand]

what does amazon choice means? 🤔

[hard drift]

it's just a charity usage, some of your purchases go to charity or whatever

oh wait nvm

wrong one

that's just common bought ones when searched

i was thinking smile

[boreal surge]

Yeah that just means a lot of people buy/amazon recommends

[outer sand]

ok ty ty

no difference between the two yeah?

just brand, WD seems cheaper for some reason, both are on sale

does the brand really matters? lol

just for storing movie

and back up documents

expensive in where I live 😹

I mean compared to the link posted above

[hard drift]

i mean even then if it's just for random storage it's not going to matter as much

[latent grotto]

could probably just go wd if its just gonna be storage

[jaunty light]

Now this man is cosplaying a cosplayer

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-sign-of-the-cross-praying-hoping-asustado-gif-10946409

[sly elk]

oh man this car review dude talking about how chrysler should rebadge opel cars

because he likes the buick tour x

which was an opel insignia

ha they should. they should just bring it here and sell it in brown with a manual

though I do agree they need something to catch people's attention, not another EV hatchback suv thingy

[boreal surge]

Hmmm... good question

[odd sand]

679 my ass

Ironwolf Pro is 350, I wonder what the difference is

[hard drift]

They’re in cad

[odd sand]

Ah, that's not bad then. Slightly cheaper than the $299 USD price then

Some random googling says there isnt any major difference between the Ironwolf and Exos drives. I wonder if the supposed firmware differences for NAS specifically actually matter all that much

[deep sapphire]

ur a cad

[odd sand]

There's a spicy meatball

Storing your entire steam collection in case of nuclear winter rite

[hard drift]

Oh well

[stark hedge]

Anyone here super edumacated on refresh rates and frames per second? I have a 165hz monitor and playing FFXIV set to 144fps in the settings. However, GShade shows the game clocking 160-165fps no matter what.

I never experience stutter or tearing or anything, so it's kind of weird...?

Well, I definitely don't need to... It's just confusing me, because I'm trying to learn about refresh rates and frames per second so I can buy a better monitor for my rig... And FFXIV is my goto game, but it's defying logic and making things confusing as hell.

Because if I'm pushing 165hz/fps and the game is maxed out to 144, should I not be having having graphical issues?

Nvidia

So should I try playing the game with "None" selected?

I have zero issues right now.

You just opened up a ton of question that I cannot even word properly...

Mainly on this.

This past weekend. It was warmer than usual... But still cooler than it usually gets during the summer. But I was paranoid and trying to keep my GPU temps down. Was running the GPU fans at 100% in afterburner.

[hard drift]

limit frame rates so they don't exceed your monitor, extra heat for all the extra frames

[stark hedge]

Still was running a lot warmer than usual.

Backstory: Built an entirely new rig two months ago, just for FFXIV (and whatever down the road).

Current monitor is a 1080p 165hz. Wanting to upgrade to a 2K though.

Room was usually 72F and my GPU was only hitting 60C give or take 4*. Never above 76*C

This past week, room was 81F and GPU was pushing 90C on the high end.

If I cap the fps in the Nvidia control panel to 144fps

Will I see a drop in temps?

[hard drift]

you'll see some drop but given your game isn't exactly going over 165 probably still around the same. i'd look at probably dusting the computer and checking fans/airways for possible blockage

[stark hedge]

It's a new setup. Zero dust.

The CPU and mobo temps are cold as hell. Around 30 to 40*C

[hard drift]

check task manager and see what all is using your gpu, it shouldn't suddenly go up by 30c unless you're doing something to it

double check that afterburner isn't overclocking it

[stark hedge]

I knew I'd have warmer temps in a Micro ITX case... But the GPU is really hating it.

[boreal surge]

For anyone interested it’s a 5 C diff in ambient temp

[hard drift]

was the case setup exactly the same for the lower temp and now?

[hard drift]

still wouldn't explain a 30c jump

[stark hedge]

Yeah

[hard drift]

and all your fans are working?

[stark hedge]

They are

[boreal surge]

When you say pushing you mean 89C?

Or hitting 99 C

[stark hedge]

Yep

It capped at like 92*C

Maybe even 100

I didn't ss HWInfo

But I was like wtf

[hard drift]

now the real question is were you looking at hotspot or just gpu

[stark hedge]

So the junction Hotspot was where it peaked 100

But overall GPU touched 92

[hard drift]

what gpu is it?

[stark hedge]

TUF 3080 Ti OC 12GB

[hard drift]

what was the power draw

the difference is that's mainly vram not actual utilization of the gpu itself

yeah, they're talking gpu temp

[stark hedge]

I'm considered going custom loop just for the GPU... But Jesus... I'm just playing FFXIV.

[hard drift]

the vram modules according to nvidia max out around 120c for "safe"

it's a new memory type and if it's within spec no reason it's not 🤷‍♂️

[stark hedge]

I know... And I don't care for the aesthetics. I don't really like the look lol.

[hard drift]

turn down power limit a few percentage points in afterburner and see temps then, also change bios profile of the gpu if possible

[stark hedge]

I just want it to stay cool like my cpu around 30 or 40

[hard drift]

it's just in general, idk anybody that it reaches that but it's the rated spec

[stark hedge]

I wanted the Strix for the extra 8 pin... And better cooling

[hard drift]

lmfao not a chance

[stark hedge]

But they weren't in stock... Now their cheaper than my card smdh

[hard drift]

extra 8 pin means more potential power draw

you don't want that

more power = more heat

[hard drift]

did you just say a 60% power limit????

[stark hedge]

I'm trying to not undervolt it.... I might as well have bought a regular 3080 if I wanted to underclock it... It's also weird to undervolt an OC card.

[hard drift]

[hard drift]

it's not quite the same, a lot of the time it's drawing too much power and dropping a few percentage means less heat and about the same performance. there's too many variables as to why the sudden spike in heat, if you changed nothing and put fans at 100% it shouldn't have spiked that much

and it's not like you're dropping your card class

[stark hedge]

Yeah it's weird... When it was I only hitting 70*C, ASUS AI Suite was doing all the magic.

But then this weekend when it was warmer, I had to ramp the fans to 100% on the GPU and it only dropped to like 80C

Freaking italicize

[hard drift]

but you had a 5c change in ambient temp

80c isn't exactly bad 🤨

[stark hedge]

Well yeah, hence why I ran the GPU fans to 100%

[hard drift]

what is the gpu being used by if it's that worrying

[stark hedge]

I was sweating my ass off lol

[hard drift]

your fps tanked

you're joking right?

[stark hedge]

Hmm

Yeah, I'm not trying to swap cases either... I love this case 🥺

Thinking of installing more Noctuas on the bottom externally mounted under the case for the GPU

And then raising the case up

[hard drift]

in all seriousness turn down your power limit, at 1080p the card is really overkill for a lot of things especially ffxiv

even a 5% power limit reduction will net about the same performance and you'll be generating less heat

[stark hedge]

5% reduction or running at 5%? 😲

[hard drift]

but other than that, going from 70->80c with a 5c change in ambient isn't awful

95% limit

[stark hedge]

Gotcha LOL

[hard drift]

you could probably go lower but of course your card might act different vs theirs when dropped to that low

lowest i'd recommend even going is 90% just because it shouldn't need to be reduced that much to get your temps down since you're worried

[modest moss]

a 3090 running FFXIV at 1080p?

[hard drift]

3080ti atleast in terms of stygal

extremely overkill 😔

[modest moss]

oh that's Marin's 3090, I see

[hard drift]

yeah

but we ignore ice

[modest moss]

oh that's Ice

oh

[hard drift]

yeah lol

[stark hedge]

I'll try running 90%

Didn't think that'd help much

And when I was noticing these temps. I was on a prae run

I didn't want to crash my card... I've never tweaked the settings on it before.

But I'm trying to replace to dual 2k monitors

[hard drift]

it usually won't crash unless you're doing insane things or drivers are unstable/games require certain frequencies it can't achieve. worst case being warzone from my personal experience

generally speaking it should be fine though

[stark hedge]

So that's where my second question comes in

[hard drift]

?

[stark hedge]

If I get 2k monitors or splurge on 4k

But get 2k 165hz monitors

.... I lost my question

[hard drift]

it'll run a bit hotter in general

[modest moss]

I have a question

why have you crammed all that power into a case the size of my left nut?

[stark hedge]

What about 4k at 60hz/60fps?

[hard drift]

it's still a lot more to drive than 1080p no matter the refresh rate

[stark hedge]

I was actually going to get a smaller case..... So lets not question that haha.

[hard drift]

it'll run hotter at 4k but you'll have to test and see how much hotter, you can try setting your monitor resolution to 4k now to get an idea and change it back after but yeah. that's about the best i can think of to test right now

[stark hedge]

Okay, because when I read this:

e.g. at 2k using 60fps (my monitor refresh is 60hz) I only need to use 50% or less GPU to render the game consistently, so, less heat, etc

It suddenly made me think running higher res at a lower refresh/frame rate would somehow be cooler than 1080p at 165fps/hz

[hard drift]

can't directly compare them like that

it's a lot more for the gpu to do the higher you go in terms of resolution

[stark hedge]

That's what I figured

That's why my mind went pitch black blank when I read that

[hard drift]

so you could try different monitor resolutions and see what it's like in terms of gpu temps but that's about it

[stark hedge]

Unfortunately my current monitor is capped at 1920x1080

[hard drift]

you can do custom resolutions

[modest moss]

if you're going to gimp your gpu just so it runs cool in a tiny case why don't you just use a cheaper gpu

idgi

[stark hedge]

Exactly why I didn't want to undervolt or limit it lol.

[hard drift]

you're already gimped at 1080p

[stark hedge]

Working on better monitor lol.

[modest moss]

but by running a low fps/refresh rate you're gimping it

[odd sand]

Good ol' Ticketmaster and their fee-fees

[stark hedge]

I'm running 165fps right now?

[modest moss]

a 3080ti should absolutely smash XIV

at 1080p you are, you just talked about 2k at 60fps

[odd sand]

60fps shudder

[modest moss]

a 3080ti should be doing 120fps at 2k EASY, probably 120fps at 4k

[stark hedge]

As an example lol

[modest moss]

this is too mad for me, I'm going to bed

gl lol

[odd sand]

2k yes, 4k maaaybe. Isn't the game pretty CPU bound?

[stark hedge]

😑

[hard drift]

yes

[modest moss]

what cpu is in there?

[odd sand]

@deep sapphire Got my tickets and room booked for the hockey game \o/

Should be a good game, both teams are doing well this year

[stark hedge]

Gotta start from the top and read lol. I even stated earlier that I didn't want to undervolt or anything. Just trying to learn refresh rates and frames, and then it was mentioned in a 50% reduction of power and temps running 60fps lol

[odd sand]

(Both are 2nd place in their divisions)

[stark hedge]

Ryzen 9 5900x

But then I remembered my heat spike when it got warmer in the room than usual

[hard drift]

well atleast it's not gimped cpu wise lol

[boreal surge]

Well undervolting isn’t exacrly gimping your CPU

[modest moss]

yeah that's not ever going to struggle

[stark hedge]

And we got a bit sidetracked lol

[boreal surge]

You’re still running instructions at the same frequency.

[hard drift]

gpu not cpu

[boreal surge]

I need to double check on gpu but same principle

[hard drift]

i mean we weren't doing undervolting anyways, just turning down power limits. a whole different beast that i wasn't going to walk them through

[modest moss]

you're running some of the most powerful hardware but cramming it into a tiny case with no airflow, I mean

surprisedpikachu time

[stark hedge]

It has tons of airflow... Except the GPU sigh

[modest moss]

then it doesn't

[hard drift]

Hey now pretty sure sarah was talking about doing the same thing shue

[stark hedge]

CPU/MOBO only peak 40*C

[hard drift]

Yeah but it doesn’t use 300+ w unless you’re levant

[modest moss]

if Sarah had the same complaints about temps I'd say the same to her

[hard drift]

She did lmao and it’s because she killed her fan header

Ripped it right off lol

[modest moss]

if you want to cram all that in a tiny box wouldn't you stick a waterblock on the gpu?

idk, I just would use a big case lol

[stark hedge]

That's what I mentioned.... Lol

I can't stand big cases

I think my case is pushing too big

Current one

[hard drift]

You’re in small form factor I’m not helping with a water block

That’d be a fucking disaster

[stark hedge]

The SFF guys say my case is too big to be considered SFF 🥺

[hard drift]

Lol

Who cares

[stark hedge]

Because I can run a ATX PSU lol

[hard drift]

Be glad

Sff psus suck to find and deal with

[stark hedge]

There's the Corsair 750

But it's not enough power

[sly elk]

nt enough power for what?

5900x and a 3090?

[stark hedge]

Headspace 🤷🏻‍♂️

[hard drift]

3080ti

[sly elk]

oh that's fine

i use a 3080ti with a 9700k and a 750w psu 😄

the gpu pulls about 400w when it's really hungry

(see icehunter's comments on this)

[stark hedge]

Apparently the 40 series cards might req a 1200-1500w PSU?

[hard drift]

Eh not likely

[sly elk]

ugh

unless they make a major change in gpu cooling, no way in hell

[hard drift]

For ultra high end sure but nobody needs that

[sly elk]

would I want that

i'd have to do a triple radiator custom loop or something

[hard drift]

If you go ultra high end you’re on your own lol

[hard drift]

Pfft icehunter you struggle enough making decisions

[modest moss]

no normal person can afford the electricity bill for that

[hard drift]

Not to mention some of the ones you make are questionable at best

[stark hedge]

Sooo long story short......

[sly elk]

idk

one of these days imma buy a pro display xdr

and outdo all his questionable decisions 😄

[stark hedge]

I don't even remember what my original question was.

[hard drift]

Just wait, it’ll be irrelevant soon enough

[stark hedge]

Oh

[modest moss]

cringe af

[hard drift]

Smh

You sicken me

[sly elk]

for a sec i thought you had 3 different brands of monitor

she's hella cute tho

[stark hedge]

Is it possible that because I'm pushing 165fps when the game is capped at 144... That I'm just causing unnecessary stress/heat?

[boreal surge]

Yeah

[stark hedge]

Soooo

[hard drift]

Not enough to matter

[boreal surge]

You’re basically 21 more frames than you needcalculating

[stark hedge]

Do I set it to 144 in game or None?

[boreal surge]

And some magic is needed to make it match your monitor refresh rate

[hard drift]

In game limiter is actually ass

[stark hedge]

And then set it to 144 in Nvidia for FFXIV specifically?

[modest moss]

it's not going to make 25c difference

[sly elk]

ice is wise

but it's kinda funny

[modest moss]

but sure, try

[boreal surge]

Qq why did your ambient room temp increase

[stark hedge]

Cuz it was normally 55-70F when I built my rig... But last week we had a hint of summer... And it was 90F.

But summer is usually. 98-118F

[modest moss]

wanna know what's harder than both those things?

[boreal surge]

I’m just wondering if the temp increase is due to heat being stuck in the room

[modest moss]

ding ding ding

[stark hedge]

Possibly?

But when the room is 72, it has no more venting/air circulation than at 80

So I didn't think that was a huge difference?

[hard drift]

Someone else take over I don’t get paid to worry about this, I’m going to die sleep

[boreal surge]

Cause something physics stuff cools more easily with higher temp diff

[stark hedge]

🤔

[boreal surge]

I’d take over if I knew more

[hard drift]

Too late

[modest moss]

I'm out too

gl boys

[stark hedge]

Lol, I don't have anymore questions. I apologize peeps

Although, I do wonder how much more temp increase I'll see when I ditch the single 1080p 165hz for dual 2k 165hz.........

But I'll leave that to actually finding out vs speculation and discussion

Unless I should just get 144hz monitors... But then future gaming and FPS gaming..... 🥺

Probably makes no difference

[boreal surge]

Do you guys have any resource on figuring out what are the AMD equivalent CPUs to Intel CPUs for gaming ?

[stark hedge]

LTT

Like the i7 12700K is the 5900X

5700X is like the i5 12500K IIRC

[boreal surge]

What's the hearsay on Intel vs AMD nowdays anyway

[stark hedge]

The heresay is that the 12th gen alderlake chips require expensive ass DDR5 RAM so building them is a higher premium

But then you gimp the hell out of it

Thing is

I built a 12700K setup

And my 5900X setup cost more... But only because of GPU

The price difference was maybe $250

But factor in the GPU and the price difference.... Won't talk about that.

But the 12700K setup has a ROG Strix 3060 V2 12GB OC

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/fLvWGX

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/YZgJ7P

[boreal surge]

Just entertaining the idea of finally building my own desktop. Can you undervolt a 12600?

Yeah I mean the non K

PC part picker says its 40 bucks cheaper

eh fuck it i got whale money

[stark hedge]

Just get the K

[boreal surge]

Yeah. Now for the CPU fan.

[stark hedge]

D15! Sorry biased...

Big chonky air coolers are so sexy lol

There's that Be Quiet! The rock or something

Seems to be popular... But

[odd sand]

I have an extra 212 evo to sell heh

Bought it and didnt try to put it in the server case until like a month later then found out it was too tall by 10mm lol

[stark hedge]

Ouch

Screw it. Open case

Or just mount it to the underside of the desk.

[boreal surge]

Mmmm going for the D15 (if it will fit). Should I just go for an asrock motherboard or do I go better?

[stark hedge]

I only ran ASUS Strix boards... If I had to pick another board... MSI.

Unfortunately those weren't available when I built the rigs I have

[boreal surge]

Nein. Undervolt maybe. Screw aesthetics, moah power per dollar

[stark hedge]

Z690 boards are nice

[boreal surge]

wanna hook up wifi for it though

Looking at Micro ATX boards

Well I'm not getting it soon, just wondering what the price range will be

[stark hedge]

I have a ROG Strix Z690-i gaming wifi board and it was a breeze.... But if you're running the D15... Please read my build page on PCpartpicker

Granted it's Mini ITX

[odd sand]

I'm waiting until this fall so I can get 2nd gen DDR5 support

Also not paying $400+ for a $125 motherboard

And I'm on a 9900K so its not like I'm hurting as it is

[stark hedge]

What case are you trying to get? Why not get the biggest it'll fit or you trying to find a case built around Micro ATX?

Standard ATX boards aren't extortional

[boreal surge]

Case around Micro ATX. I'm trying to see if i can get something comparable/better than my current laptop, but I don't need my face melted.

What's wrong with all the other motherboard companies

I'm totally not buying anything rn, I'm still extremely happy with my acer helios 300 (2019)

At worst I need to clean the fans and repaste the thing.

[stark hedge]

So... Despite the long talk we had.... About temps.

The Fractal Torrent Nano's biggest mobo it can fit is the Micro ATX. The case I have. And it's meant for high efficient cooling.

It's my GPU that is suffering a bit. Well, it's not hitting severely bad temps yet.

Buts too high for my personal comfort.

32-40*C cpu/mobo and fits the D15.

They do have the Fractal Torrent Compact, which is taller. That would benefit for the GPU as you could install bottom fans.

LianLi just released a small case as well

But I went with the Torrent Nano since it fits the D15 and is a case built around optimal cooling. Not sure about the LianLi's.

I'd say Torrent Compact.

[lost python]

Nah fuck Msi tbh. I have had 3 boards, all of them keep having completely random connection loss.
A friend bought the same board and deals with the same issue every now and then. No fix for it.
Msi support told me i am just imagining the problem or my CPU is at fault or my internet connection sucks. Yeah sure.
Weird that it works just fine with another brand

[odd sand]

If I rebuild my system this fall, I'll probably repack my current hardware in another case and leave it at my friend's place for game parties heh

[stark hedge]

I thought it was a small fraction... But I have heard of wifi and Bluetooth issues on MSI boards...

[lost python]

B550 and X570

On paper they are great and when everything works.
But this was too much of a hassle and the problem keeps reappearing completely randomly

[stark hedge]

Damn... Guess I'm not too sad then... I really wanted the MSI x570-i but they were only sold by third parties and for $150 more than the Strix one.

I'll take fitment issues with Strix any day over that haha

[real edge]

👀

more drops

[stark hedge]

I don't know if Newegg is available to you but they been dropping GPUs left and right, always in stock.

[real edge]

it is

but with tons of import fees

[stark hedge]

Damn

[real edge]

because EU

I like how they have a site for fucking oman in the middle east but not for european countries like germany for example

hilarious

[lost python]

Damn those prices are dropping hard

[stark hedge]

Yeah they are

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/torrent/torrent-compact/black-rgb-tg-light-tint/

Dual 180s.... Yeah... I should've got this instead lol but it's so damned big sigh.

[stark hedge]

Pics?

[sly elk]

I suddenly have the urge to get a fractal case and fill it to the top with RGB

maybe even manufacture some clear acrylic feet to replace the chrome feet, and put RGB lights in the feet

[sharp star]

https://www.pcgamer.com/us-removes-tariffs-on-many-imported-components-from-china/

[odd sand]

Why the fuck did that take so long anyways? Surprised the current admin didn't roll that back within the first 3 months

[sly elk]

isn't it temporary?

[boreal surge]

Mmmm any suggestions on RAM brands? or just go with the cheapest that CPu will support?

[dull garnet]

Whatever is cheapest at a certain capacity, speed and timing

[boreal surge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2R2yk9

Near 2000

:surprised_pika_face:

Then again it is considerably more powerful than my laptop

[stark hedge]

Dat slope after closing FFXIV lol....

Ambient room temp: 69*F

[umbral moss]

because the temporary hold expired effective january 1 2022, and congress was too busy arguing about how much money to waste on duck mating habits

now that they're all bored again they're like "wait, we forgot something"

it's also a trigger they can pull to lower the prices of stuff through the midterms and they can be like "see, we lowered inflation for y'all" because iphones are slightly cheaper

[outer sand]

So there are 5 power supply cables for SSD/HDD. Does it mean I can use all 5?

[solid dirge]

Usually? That's what they're there for.

[umbral moss]

dunno why you'd need to use all five cables, even my porn tower doesn't need that many HDD cables

[solid dirge]

Part of me was wondering if you can exclude an entire drive from recording to Quick Access

Well not recording but you get the idea

I feel like you probably could

[hard drift]

it's a shit card anyways

[real edge]

shitvidia strikes again

[hard drift]

no no, ngreedia

[dull garnet]

Yeah that's the reason you get a 3090, to limit to 60

[modest moss]

yes you cram stuff into a tiny box and gimp it

[hard drift]

smh

of course you got it for other reasons beyond FPS, you paired it with an i3, you're not getting fps anyways

[modest moss]

just staring at this channel trying to decide whether to lay into Ice

nah cba

[potent arrow]

Wait did ice pair a 3080 with an i3?

[modest moss]

he did

a 3080 12gb

[potent arrow]

:|

[modest moss]

but he upgraded to a 3090 and i3 combo now

no lie

[potent arrow]

Why

I don't understand

[modest moss]

because he's a pillock

[potent arrow]

Ur not wrong but wth still lol

[hard drift]

you literally spent money to spend more money...

[modest moss]

he's relishing his role as a #tech meme

[hard drift]

nvm

[modest moss]

he's showing off that you can be both rich and smart and dumb all at the same time

[potent arrow]

You mean egrious spending and flaunting in this channel?

[modest moss]

yes

[hard drift]

yes it is

[modest moss]

he's a 'just don't be poor' kind of guy

[potent arrow]

I just realized the irritating kitigawa character I blocked that joined here recently was Ice

[trail flame]

92 USD is enough money for food and transport for like 2~3 weeks for me

daz a lot

2 weeks then

it's a big chunka money to just toss away

which is fine if you can afford it

[modest moss]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-haha-so-funny-lmao-gif-22433935

[trail flame]

but it's quite a bit

[potent arrow]

It's not when you are poor and drive a civic

[trail flame]

like it's a lotta money, and it's even MORE ridic to just toss it

spending it on sth: logical

tossing it: why

[modest moss]

let's be real, you've used this channel as a pinterest to show off all your spending a LOT

anyway whatever, you do you

[potent arrow]

Ice no offense but you do jump into this channel often and show off expensive shit you bought that week just for the sake of showing off

[trail flame]

which you know, you are free to do, but also people are free to get irritated

[potent arrow]

Basically throwing money around etc, it shouldn't be surpising when people get annoyed at what is basically equated to bragging

[trail flame]

if you keep flexing on people somebody is going to want to metaphorically knee sth

[potent arrow]

Teethy did you see that thing I pinged you with yesterday

[trail flame]

wah where

sorry i get pinged a lot so it must have gotten lost somewhere

[potent arrow]

@Teethyfish#6455

@trail flame

I saw this in Reddit and I immediately thought of you

[trail flame]

omg

i want it

wtf

i want it so badly

[hard drift]

WHY DOES THIS EXIST

thing of nightmares

[jaunty light]

:bidori:

[potent arrow]

[hard drift]

noooooo

let this die already 😭

[trail flame]

i want it

wah

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/gura-gawr-gura-gura-a-dudul-vtuber-gif-23662063

[boreal surge]

I assume this is from a dentist’s office. So basically buy a plush goldfish and ask your dentist to get an old cast.

[deep sapphire]

Holy shit I hate Sony

These fuckin earbuds have a bug that they still haven’t fixed where it randomly turns your alarm and call alert volume down

So I didn’t hear my alarm

Yes

Tell me about it

[hard drift]

this is why sony is bad

[dull garnet]

old windows search sucked too

[sly elk]

old windows search was completely useless

[hard drift]

i preferred the old one 😔

new one is just awful the way it defaults to searched but it's useable

[potent arrow]

@hard drift https://github.com/stnkl/EverythingToolbar

[hard drift]

heck yeah

[umbral moss]

3090 ti price revealed

[potent arrow]

Bad?

[hard drift]

it's like 2k msrp

[umbral moss]

surprisingly not that bad, given that it's aimed to be the titan equivalent

and I paid $1200 for my titan in 2016

[hard drift]

they literally said that about the 3090 originally

[potent arrow]

Great.

[umbral moss]

yeah, they also said that about the first 1080ti

and then the titan xp came out

[hard drift]

lol

[umbral moss]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hard drift]

i expect them to release an actual titan now

[umbral moss]

almost as if nvidia drags out product releases

[hard drift]

3090 ti gets its own drivers too which is weird

[umbral moss]

nah, this is as massaged as ampere can get, it's all the cores enabled with binning to get the clock/boost up

they wouldn't release the DGX chip

[hard drift]

yeah but oh well it's a shitty product anyways

[umbral moss]

all titan cards have special drivers

[hard drift]

draws so much more power for like 5% performance gain lol

[hard drift]

it's not special though

[umbral moss]

there's specific "creator drivers" for titan cards and it's a huge pain in the ass to switch between the creating and gaming drivers

[hard drift]

3090 ti driver

regular driver

exact same for both

known issues and all

[umbral moss]

they might have added the hwid for the 3090 ti

[hard drift]

it's just really weird

it only supports the 3090 ti but does nothing different

[umbral moss]

probably because they haven't fixed any of the known issues yet

and no games have come out that need a compatibility fix

I remember when they released the 10 series and the first driver they released broke FFXI

they had to issue beta drivers to volunteers from the community to test the fixes because they had no idea anyone still played the game so they didn't check compatibility

[stark hedge]

In reference to?

Yes asus

Wtf 3090 Ti will be 2k?

Can we go back just 3 weeks in time... So I can scalp my damned video card. Sigh.

I knew it was overpriced af, even at MSRP.

But my mentors swore that because it was MSRP.. It wasnt too bad.

😭

Oh well fuck it. Sticking with it for 10 years.

[deep sapphire]

Okay this is just flat out wrong lol

The XP search was more useless than discord

[hard drift]

lol

it wasn't that bad

[dull garnet]

discord search is great

[stark hedge]

So, everything you guys tried to help me with went out the window... I updated my Nvidia drivers... And when I loaded FFXIV to set the fps to None... It changed 144 to 165fps... 🤦🏻‍♂️

Also, I could not find a way to cap the fps for FFXIV in Nvidia's control panel, game ready, or the overlay.

[potent arrow]

If you know how to use the filters it's actually op as shit

[dull garnet]

that's what i mean

[jaunty light]

Hank is a thottie

[outer sand]

How long should I wait before turning on comp after I re- assembled everything?

[dull garnet]

0 seconds

[outer sand]

Owh, I thought It need some time before the power supply stabilising, etc

Cause somehow my power metre jumped after I plugged in my turned off comp

[dull garnet]

oh

well, that could be residual power

you can typically remove that by holding the power button with no power cable plugged in

or the PSU switch flipped off

i usually go for 15 secs

it isn't an issue though

[outer sand]

Ok seems like it run normally, I never plugged off anything since I assembled it the first time like 5 years ago ._. . Ty ty

[deep sapphire]

https://www.wihatools.com/combination-ratchet-wrench-sae-10pc-set

They got metric too

Holy shit what a deal

Some of the best wrenches you can own

[late basalt]

Including a wild 10mm?

[deep sapphire]

Lmao

150 bucks for ratcheting wrenches that size will come in big help for me, I work with massive bolts on my equipment and these husky wrenches I got are junk

Sloppy tolerances

[odd sand]

Never heard of Wiha before.

[deep sapphire]

It’s a German brand

Good tools

They’re popular with electricians mostly

Germans make good tools, can’t really go wrong with US and German brands

[sly elk]

Nice nice

Yeah I’ve seen wiha tools before

Even used them 😮

[dull garnet]

TECHNOLOGY

[sly elk]

They have nice screw drivers lol

[dull garnet]

[potent arrow]

Who wants to see the most fucked up touch pad that I got at work

[jaunty light]

Noveau touchpad

[sly elk]

Did the battery break it?

It’s pretty common for battery swelling to pop the trackpad out like that

[potent arrow]

There's no battery on that side

Just keeb and mouse

Lmfaooo

[latent grotto]

[potent arrow]

I'm pretty sure they donkey Kong slammed it

[ebon cedar]

eu server down for anyone else?

or is it just my connection?

[sly elk]

that's funny lol

[kindred brook]

my friend whos a mechanic hates those guys

https://tenor.com/view/why-whatever-gif-23592041

[umbral moss]

people willing to pay

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[kindred brook]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-terry-jeffords-why-b99-brooklyn99-gif-21715381

[boreal surge]

What are drops being currently priced at anyway.

[umbral moss]

mostly msrp

[boreal surge]

Btw how do radeon cards compare to nvidia these days

[umbral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-dont-you-dare-gif-21943972

[dull garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-steve-carell-gif-22904325

[boreal surge]

I’ll take that as a don’t bother

[hard drift]

They’re just fine honestly speaking

[solid dirge]

They function.

[odd sand]

They are decent when they work properly. But if there is going to be a problem with a GPU, 90% of the time it's a Radeon having issues not Nvidia

Which is worse than it sounds bc Nvidia has like 85% market share...

[solid dirge]

Nvidia has their mitts in most graphical development in general

Compare the amount of things which are Nvidia optimized/developed vs AMD

It's not even a contest

[outer sand]

yeah I also read that XIV doesn't take AMD very well?

I'm not sure about the stats, but from what I read often that Games often have more problem with AMD compared to NVIDIA

[jaunty light]

Hate graphics. Thats why i buy amd and intel

[hard drift]

It’s a lot better this gen

Plus with the new consoles being on the same architecture it should get a lot better

[outer sand]

ic ic

my first PC was AMD, hehe It used APU Kaveri

didn't have any problem playing games I liked, but I read that It had problem in some games

[deep sapphire]

AMD having problems in games?

Whhhhat

[jaunty light]

Impossible

AMD greatest brand to ever exist

[eager sandal]

[hard drift]

Shush you we’re giving current information not based on old stuff lol

[boreal surge]

Tbf it doesn’t help that nvidia propietary stuff is everywhere

[paper tusk]

evga 3070 ti in stonk if anyone wants to play add to cart roulette https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P5-3785-KL

[sly elk]

stonks!

[sly elk]

this seems to be becoming a thing hahahaha

[outer sand]

my Macbook Pro A1278 had so many problem >.>

can't relate with the message about convenience

[sly elk]

my 2013 macbook air blew something on the charging circuit (I can't remember if it was a resistor or a capacitor, haven't actually had time to open it up and figure that out). My 2014 MBP has been great, but the rubber at the top of the screen is falling apart. I.. barely use the dang thing! -_-

the minis I've bought have all been fantastic

the 2018 for work? great except for the battery getting bloated and needing to be replaced

powermacs? All great except for one that was a lemon due to defective firmware. they replaced that with a different model.

[boreal surge]

My work mac pro laptop... constantly overheats itself

[odd sand]

https://tenor.com/view/scooch-raccoon-chubby-chonk-absolute-unit-gif-14789220

3090ti be like

[deep sapphire]

thats pretty funny from an OEM card but not unheard of from AIBs if its triple slot

https://tenor.com/view/fat-cat-monday-morning-box-gif-13278049

[sly elk]

the 3090ti sounds about as useless as an apple xdr stand

[deep sapphire]

4 slot!?

wew

Best Buy's page says 3 slot

kinda hard to tell but I'd be alarmed if it was 4

4 slots is just ridiculous

gotta have those mc donalds lips on there to take up half a slot

evga's website says "3.5" but what made me laugh even more is they have an "elite member only" page which im assuming means you have to pay a subscription fee to evga to buy a card

god what a joke

[odd sand]

So much for smaller fabs lowering power usage rite

[deep sapphire]

PC gaming has become a total joke

whats the point of even building a system anymore

you dont save any money

nothing is even overclockable anymore

you gain nothing out of building your own system anymore

[odd sand]

This is going to hurt PC gaming when your only affordable options are 3050-tier cards playing small indies

[deep sapphire]

yeah, specially when all these retailers and AIBs are making subscription services locking in their products

like fuck it at this point, I'll go buy a system from a vendor

and keep my weekend

like intel is another great example

the KS sku

its just a fuckin binned chip

thats it

[deep sapphire]

they saw a market from people online trying to buy binned CPUs

and gave them the middle finger

but its like

whats the point

these chips now run at max turbo freq

so ultimately your cooling is the only thing that matters

they just come from the factory OC'd

[sly elk]

ahhahahahaha i love the ghetto trim around the shroud to make it cover up more of the heatsink

man these things already looked like ass

[deep sapphire]

remember the old cards

it had the red lips

so they just made them black instead

[sly elk]

yea

[deep sapphire]

[sly elk]

I mean, I like how my 3080ti looks

but fuck it

I don't think any of the 30 series cards look good

the nvidia FEs even look kinda tacky and blocky

and those are considered the best

?

ohhhh

I HATE asus fan control

i bought a commander pro to get away from that garbage

it looks better from the bottom

speaking of cringe GPUs

huehue

i like sapphire back plates, though

[deep sapphire]

doesnt have a half naked anime girl on it

would not buy

[sly elk]

TOXIC

[deep sapphire]

does it come with the door knob card

GO AWAY MOM IM GAMING

[sly elk]

xX_31337_GAMER_FUEL_GPU_Xx

[deep sapphire]

REPUBPLIC OF GAMERS

[sly elk]

FTW3 KINGPIN BLACK OC

[deep sapphire]

the ROG logo was designed by someone drunk at a bar using a napkin

like wtf is it, a bird?

[jaunty light]

stop being toxic

[jaunty light]

be quiet rog logo is beautiful

[deep sapphire]

not as beautiful as your eyes

[jaunty light]

correct

[sly elk]

Yeston at least puts a cute anime chick on the back

[jaunty light]

anyways its an eye hank

also a fucked up G

[sly elk]

they have some great looking cards >>

[jaunty light]

i want waifu cards

[outer sand]

is that a real GPU? or just stickers? loll

[sly elk]

no those are real

[outer sand]

👀

JP edition ?

or like JP GPU maker I never knew about

[sly elk]

https://www.newegg.com/yeston-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx6800xt/p/27N-0042-000C8?Description=yeston radeon&cm_re=yeston_radeon-_-9SIAZUEFY85385-_-Product&quicklink=true

i think they're a newer company

[sly walrus]

finally, gpus for weebs

[sly elk]

omg

it's scented

[outer sand]

what, not even JP company

based in Shenzhen according to google

[sly elk]

shenzen

[jaunty light]

JP do nothin' round these parts

[deep sapphire]

the only computers JP uses are Sharp X68000s

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Sharp_X68000_XVI.jpg

[outer sand]

interesting

[sly walrus]

and the msx line

and maybe one commodore

[deep sapphire]

the X68000 had some amazing arcade conversions though

like nearly 1:1 for the era

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajx9y-4c15Q

[jaunty light]

dats correct, cuz they're sexy

[sly elk]

anime desk pads are so last year

i introduce the cork desktop

[jaunty light]

u cant show that

thats my desk after i drank 1000 bottles of wine and made a desk out of it

[sly elk]

lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlestations/comments/trj01d/all_white_affair/
that 3d plastic wall panel thing is becoming more common than ikea alex drawers

myu favorite thing is usually someone asks where they got them from

oooo i like this case

[outer sand]

you are making a T-virus with that pc? 👀

got an RE lab vibe

[sly elk]

it looks so good

nice

[jaunty light]

i like the t virus reservoirs but they dont hold shit

and if u use opaque coolant its a waste

also what case is that i want it

[sly elk]

https://hyte.com/store/y60/

[jaunty light]

3-Piece panoramic glass with 3-times more satisfying plastic wrap removal.

SOLD

[sly elk]

it looks awesome

[jaunty light]

finally a product description that makes sense

[sly elk]

it looks a little trippy in red but I love that haha

[jaunty light]

imma emai lthem adn tell them to powdercoat that bitch purple

[sly elk]

yea now that I think about this

neither of my inwin cases were covered in plastic wrap

they just shipped the case in a giant cotton bag

[jaunty light]

my glass had wrap on it but that was it

[sly elk]

it'd be funny if they shipped that case with no plastic on the glass 😄

that keyboard is looking sweet tooo

[jaunty light]

it probably is a bitch to work in though

looks like it

[jaunty light]

now.. that keyboard on the other hand looks awful

all bubbly.. and shit

[outer sand]

Yeah I like kB like that, easy to clean, compact

Can be used for both ps while in bed and kb

[sly elk]

it reminds me of a newton emate

[jaunty light]

that thing look like a ballsack that turned blue

[outer sand]

👀

[sly elk]

-goes to look at ibooks now-

mmmmmmmm

I want this

somebody has a dual 1ghz powermac g4 for sale for 159... free shipping!

needs a hard drive, but that's fine

[jaunty light]

buy it

then gut it and put an rtx 3090 in it

[sly elk]

lol

no no I wouldn't gut this

if I were going to gut a classic mac I'd use my old powermac g5

the power supply in it died a while ago so there's not much to lose there

and compared to g4s, g5s are way more common

tbh at some point it might be worth more to just put a new power supply in though

i'd guess a lot of those have met their death by pc modders by now

[jaunty light]

yea prob

[sly elk]

omg lol

g5 power supply for sale

"Fully tested, and functional. "

yeah, but for how much longer?!

i'm guessing that stain is from dexcool leaking out of the water cooler the computer had lmao

[jaunty light]

thatll buff out

probably

give it a new licc of apple grey

space grey they call it

[sly elk]

i asked a college friend to talk me out of it and i guess she hates QS G4s specifically hahahhahaa

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/anger-angry-break-gif-19098093

[eager sandal]

hello tech support

[sly elk]

yet again I complain about wtf happened to jalopnik lol

10 best SUVs for going off road. #1: Toyota 4Runner

i'm surprised they didn't stuff the highlander and rav4 in there too

to be fair, yea they're good

[odd sand]

In a less meme way, AMD always had higher core counts but much slower single threaded speeds. It was only when Intel sat on 14nm for like 6 years that AMD was finally able to catch up and eclipse them by a few percent. And most consumers didn't need the high core counts so those multicore benches didn't really matter

I would say 8core is a good goal for most ppl now, not higher than 12 unless you want to run like 120 chrome tabs + 4K gaming + streaming etc. then maybe 12 core heh

[jaunty light]

lame

need 32 cores. need to run 10000 chrome tab. need 512gb ram. playing 4 games at once. three on my ultrawides one on the VR. also rendering complex audio projects as well as video.

[odd sand]

That's the type of use-case hot take someone always makes on reddit after you offer advice for an "average use-case"

It's like well no shit, you don't have an average use-case then so I wasn't fucking talking to you was I?

[sly elk]

lol

[jaunty light]

avg use case im expectin like damn i got 1 stream running, 2 maybe 3 monitors feelin frisky, playin a game

but even with my system i gotta end up closing streams and shit if i dont want horrible microstuttering

compoopers aint magic they gotta process all your garbage one by one

[sly elk]

i do all that with a 9700k lol

i would like a little more oomph though

when I play forza I can't really do anything else

[boreal surge]

I’ve opened 70 firefox tabs on my mac pro :v

[jaunty light]

i legit cant understand opening so many tab

even at work I at most have 20 open

that's on a frisky day

[boreal surge]

It’s called forgetting you have them open

And work shit loving opening additional tabs for info

[jaunty light]

I force reboot policies on you bitches + your browser needs patching

if someone got 70 open it's time to DIE

[boreal surge]

Firefox casts “Restore Previous Session”

[dull garnet]

i don't think i have ever used more than 10 tabs

[odd sand]

My last roommate would have like 100 open bc he "wants to save them for later"

Bruh... that's what bookmarks are for

[dull garnet]

yeah

[boreal surge]

Yeah, side effect of working in big tech. All your shit in web browsers and their in house shit opens even more popups

[odd sand]

Or search history

That's actually the 1 thing I really like about Edge now with the chromium version: You can group tabs and collapse the group

So if I'm working in Splunk atm, I just have all the O365 tabs collapsed

Then I don't have to squint at 5 pixels wide tabs trying to pick at the one I need heh

[boreal surge]

If anything I need a tab limit so I get incentivized to close my shit

My main problem is just forgetting I have tabs to reuse

[jaunty light]

wow im sorry

jk i know 0 about splunk, except nobody on the other team knows how to use it

[odd sand]

I usually have firefox and edge open bc it keeps the accounts separate

[jaunty light]

I use ff if I need to specify an external proxy or different exceptions

[odd sand]

Splunk is one of those tools that has almost infinite utility depth if your org embraces it and you get ppl to learn it

But it takes years to get there

[jaunty light]

oh yeah one of our admins got training and everyone that came to it was like splunk is the fucking shit

except here we just drop shit on people and expect them to learn it in a couple months, and the most they've done is configure a rule to send smtp

[odd sand]

Splunk you need to decide what data/logs you value and get them sent to the heavy forwarder, then trim them down to only the necessary logs for indexing or you're gonna pay out the ass and searches will be slower

[jaunty light]

our network is, what would you say, diminutive at best, so they only pay for a few TB license

[odd sand]

Then you can setup timed searches with triggers for alerts that will either notify or run a script automatically, etc.

[jaunty light]

small by DISA standards is 10,000+ nodes and we're very well below that

[odd sand]

The place I'm with now has an insane number of hosts being indexed. My last place you might get like 2M events in a day. Here I did a 15min search of just NTP logs and it was like 150k events

[jaunty light]

this kinda shit is sweet that I'm looking forward to when I can get my hands on it. Detect a failed snapshot by rubrik, immediately run a script on vcenter/esxi to determine if it's failing to create/delete snapshots, if so cancel that task in X minutes or immediately

then we save the esxi host becoming unresponsive because vmware is just like "run that task until the host needs rebooted"

sorry cancelling tasks after X amount of minutes is not supported

[odd sand]

You can even have it generate custom events to a kvstore database and have those results show up on a dashboard

Then there is a dropdown menu for actions that you can manually execute actions and the person only needs the proper splunk roles, not actual knowledge of all the accounts on the backend and those perms

[jaunty light]

i always push tools and dashboards to other admins and they're like, "historically, that has never solved anything..." or "we always try to get tools and it never works..." but literally when I joined years ago the mantra was "let's diversify and buy different solutions for everything" fuck that

government can be so stupid

[odd sand]

Splunk is the one case I've seen where it literally is a swiss army knife for most things

[jaunty light]

we have infinite budget but no management brains to focus a track and make people specialize in it

[odd sand]

Either out of the box or with plugins you can download. Or you can even make your own

That's a common issue. Always want the new shiny without getting more than a skeleton setup of the existing tool

[jaunty light]

it's why we have EMC, HP MSA and Nimble, NetApp, and whatever the f* else storage in the environment, different virtualization for every environment, sheeit

now they're talking about building a new network, all new AD infra, and switching from vmware to hyperv

no reason given, just because why not

of the 3 people administering the vmware infra, which is me and two others, nobody else has much experience with it, nor hyperv at all so it's like ??

[odd sand]

It's been a fun setup at the new place bc we keep going splunk splunk splunk and they're naturally like

Then we show them demos and they're proverbially like "what the shit?"

[jaunty light]

I'm all for inspecting industry and standardization

[odd sand]

Bc we're not just blowing smoke up their ass

[jaunty light]

buying rubrik was the best thing we've done in fucking years and the people that bought it literally got sold on nothing by another admin on defense

they didn't evaluate it at all and spend $300k

best backup solution we've had in a gd decade though

arcserve and netvault are true pieces of shit

[odd sand]

Yeah they were being demoed yet another SIEM product and we were like NO, you don't need that right now lol

slap hand

[jaunty light]

we have no SIEM but I can request nessus LCE at least

does enough for monitoring but it's not the same as splunk when you can utilize it

[odd sand]

Tenable is nice, except the sadface at all the lows and mediums that never get patched heh

[jaunty light]

i'd be happy with just lows and meds

[odd sand]

Yeah, that's why we don't really complain. At least they're getting Critical and Highs done

[jaunty light]

wks team can't even keep crit/highs/disa cat-1 cleaned up since it's too often + visual studio sucks balls + vpn infra is 600mbps shared for an insane amount of nodes, plus we have.. solaris 10

[odd sand]

It's an interesting time with networking bc there are a lot of orgs that are only now or still haven't clued into just how much you can automate and monitor with huge time savings

[jaunty light]

||thorough checks + superseded kills a mfer|| dev env except they must match boeing in everything so here's your 50 findings for java out of date since jre7u10

[odd sand]

You make yourself a good asset list and suddenly when a Critical pops up, you run an Ansible playbook and patch them all at the same time

1 guy in 15mins instead of all day or all week

[jaunty light]

for really simple deploys just having auto package+schedule in PDQ works but there's a ton of apps that are obtuse

[odd sand]

On the upside, you look like a wizard for each piece you automate for them

[jaunty light]

cough, citrix, fuck you. also visual studio. also o365, because we're not direct tenants

but the problem for us is adhering to 100% disa policy, all the time, as well as the AO because they decide shit on a whim. absolutely 0 of X with no explanation. doesn't matter if it's actually truly mitigated, it has to be fixed

[odd sand]

I've heard of examples like Ruckus generates a rogue AP alert and security gets emailed the picture of the heatmap of where it's geolocated and can go walk down there and confront ppl in minutes heh

[jaunty light]

DISA guidance states you must attach NetApp to AD, which I strongly disagree with because one compromised AD account (incredibly easy to do) = storage compromised, same with backup SRGs

but trying to justify that is like pulling teeth

[odd sand]

I assume even if you point out it's a security threat they wouldnt listen

Okay its almost 3am maybe I should sleep

[jaunty light]

if you report directly to disa they might listen, but we have to go through tiers above us at local depending on the package

i can absolutely add stuff to the "list" of things we will fix (and never do) with just a mitigating statement of why it should be accepted for X timeframe, but it's always come down to fix this

i go purely with meeting the intent of the guidance, not the exact text or "follow this" part of it.

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-have-mercy-lord-have-mercy-im-bout-to-bust-im-bout-to-bust-bust-a-nut-nut-gif-19236822

[deep sapphire]

Someone brought up how Chrysler used a 4 speed transmission for a long ass time so I looked it up, see any vehicle that sticks out? LMAO

[umbral moss]

[torpid kayak]

I'm using dual 4GB Crosair DDR3 1600Mhz RAM
Can I get a pair of same type, but from different brand like G.SKill?

[paper tusk]

Yes as long as more or less same speed

Otherwise it'll clock down to the lowest pair

Memory timings probably matter less

[umbral moss]

as long as you run them at their rated speeds, it's probably OK

if you mix manufacturers (and sometimes batches from the same manufacturer), the overclocking limit can get janky and your CPU might get pissy

[potent arrow]

ITS SO FUCKING COOOOOOLD

SHDUKWDND

MY DAD BROKE THE HEATER YESTERDYA AND NOW WE SUFFER

[umbral moss]

[potent arrow]

https://c.tenor.com/jUwnrTkmarUAAAAM/punch-walk.gif

[umbral moss]

time to burn his car for heat

[potent arrow]

Its set to 25c BUT ITS -5C IN HERE

[modest moss]

just don't be cold

[umbral moss]

dunno why you're complaining, when I was a kid heat wasn't even invented yet

entitled millennials

[dull garnet]

Open furmark and prime95

[umbral moss]

that'll work for about 20 minutes before the caps on the GPU blow

[potent arrow]

I'm gonna fuckin start a fire

[umbral moss]

definitely start furmark then