technology-discussion

[odd sand]

used wi-fiber to save money, then throws a wrench on a car and owes insurance money to fix the damage

[kindred brook]

ED ED ED

Should I get a 5800x3

your unbiased

[umbral moss]

because there are FAA limits on how powerful a laser can be and what wavelengths you can use, and you can get arrested for pointing a visible spectrum laser into the sky where there are commercial flights

[kindred brook]

or should I wait for ddr5 to drop in price

[umbral moss]

I'm waiting for DDR5 honestly

[kindred brook]

[umbral moss]

the next generation of boards should have actually useful memory controllers and DDR5 won't cost a hojillion dollars

[odd sand]

I'm waiting for the refresh this fall when they will have "2nd gen" DDR5 boards

[kindred brook]

when DDR5

becomes actually relevant?

[odd sand]

That is pretty much every new memory gen

You had like DDR3-1866 or maybe even 2100, and the early DDR4 was what? 1600?

[subtle yew]

RTX has been around for 4 years and a lot of games still don't use it.

[umbral moss]

that's because it requires a fundamental overhaul of game engine lighting systems

unreal engine 5 is the first engine to even think about supporting raytracing natively

and lumen is buggy as fuck

don't use too many intersecting geometry volumes with lumen or the engine will stroke out

[void dove]

also need to remember, the speed number doesn't mean anything when timings can mean that a ddr4-3600 kit, performs better than a ddr4-4000 kit
always refer to benchmarks

[umbral moss]

yeah, the overlap in early-gen RAM is notorious for giving worse performance on the new spec

because the roadmap is for higher frequencies, so there's a latency penalty

[dull garnet]

No, only numbers matter

[umbral moss]

DDR2 was really bad for this because the CAS/RAS/tRAS values all shot up significantly over DDR1, and you needed a huge increase in frequency to offset the tripled latency

[kindred brook]

Damn so DDR5 > 100MB cache

in Long run?

[hard drift]

Next gen will have even more

Vcache will be more utilized than now

[umbral moss]

yeah

[hard drift]

No

That’s intel not amd

[umbral moss]

intel will have to figure out what to do with threadripper anyway

since the new TR metrics are like, 50-100% faster per core than the equivalent xeons

so if you need yuge cache wait for the server chips to show up

spoiler: literally nothing you do as a consumer requires 100MB+ of on-die cache

huge on-die cache is like a pcie 5.0 nvme drive, it's pretty close to useless for how much raw data shuffling a normal user does

the most intense read/write a consumer nvme drive will see is installing a video game, one time

b-but my 1600 PBW drive durability

[hard drift]

Why???

Do you really need 16 cores over the 5800x3d having 8 despite it going to be better for gaming?

[umbral moss]

the thing is that prices are likely to cool in the near-term

so you should wait anyway

[hard drift]

These prices aren’t insane though that would more apply for gpu/ddr5

The cpu prices are likely to stay around where they are especially with prices per wafer being up outside of inflation

[umbral moss]

that's true, but you're going to need all the other stuff anyway

[hard drift]

Yeah but most people would be more than fine on current stuff for a few years

[umbral moss]

I'm feisting for a new GPU

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[hard drift]

Yeah same, going to give a buddy my current one since they need a new one

[umbral moss]

apparently the 40 series GPUs are rumored to be anywhere between 600 and 800W TGP

huge increase in performance

maybe this will be the generation where turning raytracing on doesn't shit on your GPU

[hard drift]

Yeah but at that power… not worth it

[umbral moss]

going 1:1 raytracing on/off at 4k/144 sounds pretty poggies to me

[hard drift]

If it takes double the wattage for near double performance… that’s awful

[umbral moss]

raytracing is like avx512, it's very compute intensive

[hard drift]

Yeah, I’m not expecting it to be really good for atleast another generation as most of the time it’s not full raytracing just specific applications

[kindred brook]

DOUBLE?!

[hard drift]

Yeah and it’s not double the performance

Also 12900k isn’t that bad for powerdraw

5950x can draw a lot too when you mess with it just like the 12900k

12900k at base wattage is like 20w more or something

[umbral moss]

voltage is the little gate junction killer

I must not overvolt

[hard drift]

It’s fine lol

[umbral moss]

frequency and voltage will always fight you

switching losses are to the fourth power of frequency, which is why silicon approaches but rarely exceeds 5GHz

[hard drift]

What gear mode because that’s not stock

Pretty sure you can change it

Idk I haven’t looked too much at it but intel was atleast upfront this time with a lot of it

[sly elk]

wake me up when there's a good ryzen 8 core cpu for $300

and a good ryzen motherboard for like $200

[hard drift]

There are already ones for that

[deep sapphire]

WEW it’s toasty today is it pretty warm over in Wisconsin

[hard drift]

Also wait for the 5700 that’s set to come soon it’ll be around there

[umbral moss]

😩

I wish it was warm here

[hard drift]

Although you can regularly get 5800x for 300ish

[umbral moss]

winter can fuck off for another year now

[deep sapphire]

41 degrees but that sun is BEAMIN

[hard drift]

Let’s trade…

68 and the sun is beaming

And very little wind

[deep sapphire]

I don’t like summer because that’s when I get to work 84 hour weeks in a hot ass environment

[hard drift]

Rip

84 hours????

[deep sapphire]

Yessir

[hard drift]

Nasty

[deep sapphire]

That’s when production season starts

[hard drift]

I’m trying to get 50-60

[deep sapphire]

60 hours at dick’s? I doubt they’d give you that

[hard drift]

No, multiple jobs

[deep sapphire]

Ah

[hard drift]

Dicks wouldn’t even give me fucking full time

[deep sapphire]

Yeah retail usually doesn’t

[hard drift]

I’m sick from anger atm

[deep sapphire]

Why not try to get into level 1 desk support

You could do it

80 hours oof

[hard drift]

I’m looking at what’s around me for schooling or otherwise

[deep sapphire]

I’d try and get the job they usually pay for certs

Much faster way to move up

[hard drift]

Only other option at this point is sell my soul to the military like most of my family

[deep sapphire]

They love self taught people

You don’t need any formal education

They always say you do

But that’s usually bullshit

If I was able to get a network admin gig with no degree you can too lmao

[hard drift]

Yeah I’m looking at various ones just a matter of what interests me

Ewww no thanks been there done that

[umbral moss]

just learn to code 5head

[modest moss]

learn to code and Ice will get you a job you fool

[hard drift]

😭

Coding is boring

[deep sapphire]

Yeah but then you gotta live in Canada

[modest moss]

MS don't care lol

[umbral moss]

living in canada sounds like the worst thing

[odd sand]

Supposedly a high of 54 today. Currently 37. The ten-day shows temps thru the end of the month staying in the 50s and 60s so I guess I should order my replacement front tires for the summer rims

[deep sapphire]

It’s like exactly how Canada is it’s suffering don’t do it

[hard drift]

Lol

[deep sapphire]

Though we don’t get as much snow as the east coast

It definitely gets colder though

Shin knows the suffering

[hard drift]

If i went back to canada I’d go back to working at the embassy

[odd sand]

I'll be driving to my parents on the weekend to pickup their couch for my place, so I'll get the rim evaluated then.

[deep sapphire]

That’s dedication to put different tires on for the seasons

I just slap some A/Ts on and call it a day

[odd sand]

Crossing my fingers it's not bent/warped. It was the stock rim so those are usually pretty durable

[deep sapphire]

Them low profile tires tho

Large wheels look nice but with how many fuckin pot holes exist I wouldn’t trust that shit

[modest moss]

next to? you mean WITH

https://tenor.com/view/wandavision-gif-20292667

[odd sand]

She ran right into it at like 70-75mph, that is pretty extreme

Most times you're hitting a pothole in town at much slower speeds

[umbral moss]

here's a radical thought, the town should fix potholes sooner than "whenever we feel like it

[odd sand]

Also they might have been a bit low on air, bc they were filled in CA @ 60F or something and it was probably around 20F in Rockford there

[umbral moss]

I've been driving over the same cutout in the road near here for three months now

[odd sand]

Throw some gravel in the hole I guess heh

[umbral moss]

they didn't even do that

[odd sand]

Spraypaint a penis around it

[umbral moss]

it's just a rectangle cut out in the ground right at the turn-in for the parking lot at the train station

christ, I should

[dull garnet]

how many years until Icehunter's PC is done

[hard drift]

infinite

exactly, infinite

because when is enough ever enough

mhm sure sure

[dull garnet]

there will be a whole new range of SKUs by then!

[odd sand]

Saw that Wish.com watercooling video from LTT and it made me think about just how much low quality garbage like that is made in China and will never be used or never works right and gets abandoned quickly

What a waste of resources just to try defrauding ppl

[dull garnet]

I try not to watch LTT but that was kinda entertaining

$531.4 on FANS

but a 80+ Gold PSU

[hard drift]

awful parts list smh, so many fans and you went with 2 kits of ram instead of a x4 kit

not to mention the triple rad that literally serves no purpose

[boreal surge]

Well, profit is profit

[odd sand]

Sorta, depending on how much of the crap you're able to offload.

[dull garnet]

you just described China

[boreal surge]

I know

There’s a reason economics has terms that help explain that people don’t care shit about what happens outside of themselves.

[sly elk]

a lot of computer parts are like that

hell, a lot of computers are also like that

[modest moss]

ddr4?

you're gonna spend over 6 grand and buy ddr4 just so you can have a white mobo

[odd sand]

The Wish stuff is especially bad though. In many cases it doesn't work at all, or they intentionally send you the wrong thing knowing you wont return it

And they just start new accounts every few months if their reviews get bad enough

CL18 memory

[dull garnet]

its RGB tho!

can you not get 2x 32GB DIMMs?

I'd prefer that

[hard drift]

not to mention that monitor choice....

[warm mesa]

idk man its just excessive pc building

everything is overkill

except the ram

[dull garnet]

looks more like they looked at pcpartpicker for 2 minutes as a troll build

[odd sand]

3090 isn't worth it, especially not for that price

[potent arrow]

[real edge]

for the first time in forever dropped below 1k

[potent arrow]

I

[dull garnet]

money no object though

[potent arrow]

Don't recognize that aib

At all

What is that shroud

[dull garnet]

imagine being able to tell people on the internet that you have a 3090!

[odd sand]

Somewhat reasonable price for a 3080 other than the dubious brand ive never heard of

[potent arrow]

Meanwhile me here being happy with a 3060ti

[dull garnet]

ditto

[real edge]

the next most expensive card

gpus this month have dropped off a cliff price wise

from mid 1k to 1k

[sly elk]

yup

[hard drift]

overseas brand, pretty sure north america doesn't have it atleast from what i've seen

[kindred brook]

@modest moss why does icehunter get to finish building a PC and I can't

😦

[hard drift]

you don't need it

[kindred brook]

WHAT!

I got 30 FPS drops

signficant

[hard drift]

30fps drop from what fps

[sly elk]

30

[modest moss]

he earns 3x as much as you and thus has more money than sense

[hard drift]

if it's 500 -470 it doesn't matter lol

[kindred brook]

100

ok 80

80-50

at 4k

[sly elk]

yea icehunter makes more than i do, i think

lol

[hard drift]

what refresh rate is your monitor

[kindred brook]

DAMN

my monitor can go up to 144hz

its not even hitting 144hz!!

[hard drift]

100 is fine

[odd sand]

Must be local pricing at small shops or something, bc the stuff I see on pcpartpicker still lists them for like $1700-1800 USD

[kindred brook]

ONE DAY I WILL FINISH MY PC

after I pay off my debts

[hard drift]

your pc is already finished what more do you need

[kindred brook]

my frankenstein pc

thats 5 years old

can die!

[hard drift]

can sure, but won't :p

[real edge]

its a site that lists the price of all cards on all small shops

[hard drift]

okay? you're already wasting money on a shitty monitor and triple rad

[real edge]

also gives a handy dandy price progression graph

4 months to today

[hard drift]

😐

[sly elk]

what i need to do is get one of these https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=400-HY-1988-B1

[hard drift]

[sly elk]

they are in stock

just because I need it, doesn't mean I want it 😄

[odd sand]

I just checked the local shop I bought my GPU from. I got this exact card in Nov 2020 for $825

[kindred brook]

My PC can't even run

windows 11

pepe hands

[sly elk]

geez

[hard drift]

windows 11 is shit anyways

[real edge]

time traveler

12gb 3080 in 2020

[sly elk]

i paid less for my 3080ti ftw3...

[real edge]

[kindred brook]

SO IS MY PC

[odd sand]

Oh didn't see that. Well that same card but 10GB lol

[hard drift]

lies

[odd sand]

Only 50% more than I paid! Whatadeal

[dull garnet]

jesus

2020 30 series chads

[odd sand]

OC EDITION OHBOY

[odd sand]

I only got it then bc I ordered it thru the local shop. So you went in paid upfront and got it in a few weeks

That was just before the supply fell off a cliff though, because my friend went into the same shop and ordered one just 2 weeks later and his took about 4 months to get in stock

[zealous wolf]

could prob get the 1070 ti for that much...

[odd sand]

Not only that, but the 3050 is known to be a garbage card

[real edge]

3050 is like 390euro here

[dull garnet]

my friend had a 3080 order with overclockers uk

[real edge]

expensive

[dull garnet]

for about £150 over MSRP

like April 2021 they told him that they basically weren't getting stock any time soon and recommended that people cancelled their orders

they were shipping a few months later, ofc he cancelled his pre order

[odd sand]

Dumbdumb

[real edge]

3060

[zealous wolf]

https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-Graphics-IceStorm-Backplate-ZT-P10710G-10P/dp/B076S4RT1J/ref=sr_1_10?crid=2ZWA76VMPVQ8H&keywords=1070+ti&qid=1647373889&s=electronics&sprefix=1070+ti%2Celectronics%2C174&sr=1-10 1070 ti...

[dull garnet]

whole situation is genuinely depressing

[odd sand]

And they keep rolling out new SKUs of cards

[dull garnet]

that are all worse than a 1080

[odd sand]

Also stupid shit like the 3090ti

[dull garnet]

that still doesn't have a date does it

[kindred brook]

so like if they wanted to

could they just roll out

with more 3080s?

[odd sand]

I dunno about the prices, but if ppl literally can't get enough cards, Im fine with how they rolled out the 2060 6GB bc it wasn't capacity that could be used for making 30 series, so it was all new supply

[kindred brook]

why are they making so many skus

just money?

[odd sand]

The old SKUs MSRP were set on the (more) sane paradigm of prices

New SKUs mean they can inflate the MSRP to the new scalped prices and pocket the money themselves

[kindred brook]

oh

I thought it also has to do with silicon lottery

better silicon can go into higher end cards

• add more money

[odd sand]

We covered that already, I got the 10GB not the 12GB.

[zealous wolf]

that 3060 offer looks tempting tbh...

[real edge]

490 euro is still too expensive for a card of that caliber

[dull garnet]

agreed

but

that's the market rn

[odd sand]

MSRP on 3060 was 349US I think?

[real edge]

prices will continue dropping

[zealous wolf]

huh neat, i think i found a nice or so deal for an rtx 2070...

founders edition though...

[odd sand]

They will, but that is still 65% markup over MSRP so its going to take a long while yet

[real edge]

economy is too shit here in greece and the prices of electricity are skyrocketing

so nobody will buy a gpu

[odd sand]

I read about the history of the economy in Greece when you were having the debt crisis. I dunno if that is ever going to unfuck itself.

[kindred brook]

Nhdala your greek?

😮

[zealous wolf]

649 usd for this rtx 2070...

[odd sand]

Seems rather ingrained into society there

[real edge]

half greek half british

[kindred brook]

ENGLISH FREEK

GREEK*

[odd sand]

Shoulda been a basketball player, rite

[real edge]

gonna be hilarious if prices drop because the economy is too shit for people to afford gpus

[dull garnet]

2070 is a pretty bad card tbh, wouldn't pay that much for one

[zealous wolf]

but isnt it logical to ugrade from this 1070 to a 2070..?

[dull garnet]

oh if you have a 1070 absolutely not

[real edge]

^

the 1070 is still good to this day

[dull garnet]

the 2070 is basically a 1070 with slightly better performance and RTX cores

[real edge]

I can run elden ring at 60fps 1440p

with my 1070

[dull garnet]

my friend's 2070 performance was pretty similar to my 1070 Ti from the benchmarks i tried

[odd sand]

Yeah I wouldn't go from a 10 series to a 20 series. If you set aside the tensor cores, they were barely better

Especially with how you're gonna have to pay a huge premium on the 2070 still

[zealous wolf]

ah i see, thanks for the answers, though as for its performance, my 1070 can run BDO on very high at 60+ maybe the same with ultra/remastered....

though FF14 gets 70+, same with pso2 ngs etc...

[dull garnet]

which CPU do you have?

[zealous wolf]

a ryzen 5 1600...

i could overclock it...

[dull garnet]

I'd look at upgrading that

ngl

[real edge]

what mobo

is it an x370

[dull garnet]

5600X would be a HUGE improvement if your board supports it

[zealous wolf]

b450-f...

[real edge]

ok good

then you will be able to grab the 5600x

[zealous wolf]

its 1 of these...

[hard drift]

all boards should support it soon enough tradeoff being most likely can't go back

[real edge]

and put it into your mobo

[warm mesa]

once you get bios update for that mobo you can do great things

[odd sand]

Games are a lot more CPU-dependent than you think for framerates. That is the real reason your FPS is low, not the GPU

[dull garnet]

1600 ipc especially is quite poor

[real edge]

the 5600x is like 200euro right now, great opportunity to get yourself a nice upgrade 👍

[zealous wolf]

to be honest, im scared of updatng the bios due to fears of killing the board/bricking it...

[dull garnet]

there's no need to be scared

[odd sand]

It should be pretty simple these days, otherwise take it into a PC shop and let them do it if you're that afraid

should only cost you like $40 or less

[dull garnet]

use the board's update utility within the uefi

[zealous wolf]

plus this mobo was a refurbished one i believe...

[real edge]

40$ for a bios update sounds like a scam lol

[odd sand]

I was just pulling a number out of my ass, I have no idea what they would charge

[dull garnet]

probably 15 mins to 30 of labour :p

[hard drift]

15-30 mins? wtf are you doing lmao

[odd sand]

But yes, modern UEFI bios actually does the firmware updates in the BIOS itself

[hard drift]

it'd be like 5

[dull garnet]

running a PC shop

:^D

[odd sand]

You should be able to download and update it without leaving the BIOS

[real edge]

asus boards have a built-in update thingy where u can just let it do its thing by itself

in the bios

[dull garnet]

sometimes I use my MSI's flashback function to update the bios

bc I'm lazy

actually really handy

[odd sand]

I haven't bothered updating my board, I wonder if there even was a bios update

[dull garnet]

I update the BIOS for fun

[real edge]

get yourself a 5600x, update your bios through your bios and you've got yourself an amazing upgrade

[dull garnet]

I think I have FFXIV bench scores from my 2600 + 3060 Ti to 5600X + 3060 Ti

[real edge]

once the 5800ECKSDEE comes out I might buy it as an upgrade to my 2700x

if its good enough over a 5700x/5800x

[dull garnet]

dat L3 cache doe

[zealous wolf]

wont be able to upgrade to a 5700x/5800x cause too poor...

but eh oh well im patient..

[real edge]

5600x is more than enough

[odd sand]

Seems like there were several BIOs updates, but I'm afraid it might slow the system down bc it sounds like a number of them were doing the Spectre vuln fixes etc. which gimp the CPU and I honestly dont care

[dull garnet]

5600X is an excellent chip tbh

[odd sand]

Nobody is going to try hacking my CPU

[dull garnet]

low power

low heat

running mine on a B450 with CL16 3600MHz RAM

🔥

[odd sand]

Hmm... The very latest bios says it does things that removes the ability to rollback, so maybe I'll just stick to the 2nd newest bios. Adds Resizable BAR support and "fix cpu vcore and power behavior" which I wonder if that would fix my weird power reset issues

[dull garnet]

reminds me of the Athlon X3 and X800 GTO^2

I enabled resizable bar

no idea what it does

not much apparently

[odd sand]

Something to do with memory mgmt for the GPU I think. Can be like a 3-5% FPS boost to games I think

[hard drift]

yeah it allows the cpu to address the vram in bigger chunks which in certain games can provide big boosts of 15% but usually not as substantial if at all

[dull garnet]

relative performance gain in techpowerup's test was 1-4% in supported titles

1-2% otherwise

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-pci-express-resizable-bar-performance-test/25.html

[hard drift]

yeah but that's on nvidia, amd has it too, it's good to keep it on anyways as you could be losing out otherwise

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-sam-smart-access-memory-performance/3.html here's one for amd

[dull garnet]

yeah I've left it on

[hard drift]

some games get really good gains from it but probably won't see a lot until later gen games

[sly elk]

ads for ms products in the file explorer lmao 😄

[dull garnet]

have to start preserving the enterprise versions of windows

[sly elk]

to be fair, win10 already pushed onedrive really hard

(to the point I think it's possible to accidentally enable it on a fresh install)

[dull garnet]

and edge

[potent arrow]

Man

So much snow

And I'm using summer tired

Mother FUCK

[odd sand]

Why would you already have summer tires on in Canada? That seems.... unwise.

[potent arrow]

I was running 3 winters and a random spare lmfao

And the weather let up for a week

And I was like okkkkkkkk cuz I ain't gonna buy a new winter.....

[odd sand]

Hope you have enough food at home today

I need to get mine off already next week, since temps seem to be in 50s to 60 thru the end of the month and that's bad for early wearing

Think the rule of thumb was above 45 was bad

[potent arrow]

[dull garnet]

1 million hours in ms paint

[deep sapphire]

Based mentor bullying

[dull garnet]

damn, does shue get health insurance now

[deep sapphire]

Yeah

[deep sapphire]

Technically if you die with debt you don’t owe anything and they can’t go after anyone for it

[dull garnet]

dying to own the libs

[sly elk]

I find it really annoying when car companies say things like

"We're going to ship this car without all the chips installed"

[dull garnet]

Remove the computers

Problem solved

Noooo my modern conveniences

[modest moss]

dude it won't save you a few hundred

it'll cause you to be like UGH I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT DDR5 in a few months

and then you'll want to upgrade it

and you'll give the ram and mobo away

and then be like OH I MIGHT AS WELL GET 14TH GEN INTEL NOW

and buy another temporary i3

and ugh

[dull garnet]

hey

let him enjoy his madness

[royal forge]

THE SLIPPERY SLOPE OF PC BUILDING

SO WHAT? IT'S JUST ONE NEW PROCESSOR

I DESERVE IT

[dull garnet]

if I just wait another year I can buy a 15th gen...

[royal forge]

Next thing you know, you wake up in a haze surrounded by pc parts packaging, with a line of thermal grizzly half snorted

[sly elk]

that's not the correct way to use thermal paste

[dull garnet]

That's what you think

https://tenor.com/view/drugs-drugs-are-bad-cocaine-coke-snort-gif-17010908

[royal forge]

Sounds like someone has very warm nostrils

[alpine glen]

Can I buy PlayStation games with just gift card but no credit/debit cards?

[dull garnet]

Should be able to

[gentle zenith]

Sorry to burst your bubble but if you have any private pension/superannuation then they can go after that.

[sly elk]

there are some things you can do to minimize that though

[sly elk]

argh I hate powerpoint

i hate it i hate it i hate it

[modest moss]

it doesn't really drive me mad, it's just so obvious what you'll do though

buying DDR4 is the exact same regret as buying the 3080 and the i3

today you think it's good enough and you'll be happy

but you'll 100% regret not having DDR5

but hey you're rich, so it doesn't really matter

rich, well off, comfortable, whatever lol

you know what I mean

you could drop 5k on a new pc every 12 months and it wouldn't really hurt you badly, that's what I mean by rich

lol ignoring that

your wife would yell but your accountant wouldn't

could probably write off most of a pc anyway lol

legit work expense for a contractor

[sly elk]

ahh finally done with work today x_X

you bought more watercooling gear? 🙂

[hard drift]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-12900ks-shipped-to-first-customers-ahead-of-the-embargo only cost them 790

[odd sand]

Honestly, unless he planned to sell his DDR5 and buy better later, I think the DDR5 vs 4 right now is a moot point.

He's building the system now with this gen boards, that won't change either way. And currently DDR5 is balls.

[hard drift]

i really hope the 5800x3d beats/matches the 12900k just so intel looks worse and has to really bring it next gen

you're already using intel you've decided on a side

because it was listed early and idk

might be a plugin i'm using

i can also make it so people can't see my messages

lol

i mean the KS is top of the the high end so yeah, it's an enthusiast product and shouldn't be bought otherwise

it serves 0 purpose except to overclockers/enthusiasts

or to say "we're the best for gaming"

it's not available yet anyways

it doesn't even have a release date or msrp pretty sure

people are expecting around the time 5800x3d comes just so amd can't say "fastest gaming processor"

[odd sand]

What's supposed to be different about this 5800x3d that it's a new thing but not worthy of a new gen?

[hard drift]

3d vcache brining performance gains that beat all its current cpus and rival intels latest

it'll be used on next gen stuff but this is their first time putting it into a product for consumers

it's essentially just a showcase of what it can do and giving current am4 people something to use until next gen

[odd sand]

Darn their stale 9 month old 5000 series CPUs

Suffering so badly.

[hard drift]

i mean it's good for consumers

people that are on say ryzen first gen and going to upgrade

[odd sand]

Were Ryzen already considered to be behind Intel again? I would have assumed their lead would have held out longer

[hard drift]

it's a really good option

[odd sand]

Sure, 12th gen is finally on 10nm, but I figure it would take them awhile to get the kinks out of their chiplet design

[hard drift]

i mean it beats what amd has atm but it's intels latest generation that came out later to finally fight amd since 11th gen was pretty bad

[hard drift]

and the lead isn't enough to be like "oh amd sucks again" it's good because it means competition

[odd sand]

That was true even between Ryzen3 and Intel 9th gen, but the sudden bandwagon was vicious and swift

[sick edge]

At the moment apparently Apple trumps both in the consumer market?

[hard drift]

based on what?

[sick edge]

Raw performance to watt ratio of the layered M1 chip

[hard drift]

yeah but for anything involving gaming, apple gets curb stomped

not to mention the price you're paying for comparable performance and it doesn't have a dedicated gpu, can 100% get a laptop with a gpu that'll outgame a mac for cheaper

[sick edge]

Yeah but that's always been a software thing. So the end result is either AMD or Intel shoudl ahve to get power efficient in a later iteration right?

[hard drift]

it's not comparable still

it's a different type of chip, arm is always going to be more efficient than x86

but given that most people aren't just doing rendering and professional work, a mac isn't the best

it's small for a reason it can't really game and has been that way for years and it's expensive for what you get

not to mention if it ever were to be able to game with a dedicated gpu it'd only have an amd gpu which until recently amd had shit gpus in mobile

[sick edge]

50% off by accident... that's a sentence.

[torpid kayak]

dumb question, but can a device that only support bluetooth 2.0 (ps3 controller in my case) connect with a bluetooth 5.0 adapter?

[hard drift]

yes, bluetooth is backwards compatible

[torpid kayak]

thank

[hard drift]

12900k on ddr4 is dumb

considering you will more than likely upgrade to 13th gen then you will be limited because i highly doubt 13th gen will be on z690 without restrictions and if it is that'd probably have more of an impact than it did on 12th gen

also you're investing in a new platform to use older stuff is dumb anyways 🤨

why would you buy a new platform to use old stuff just buy an old platform

or since you already have the i3 why not wait for 13th gen 🤨

i mean it's the same except socket

the i3 would get nothing from being watercooled really but you could

[modest moss]

thing is, you're just doing this as a toy/project/whatever so really it's whatever you like

if you weren't you, I'd tell you to just get an i7 and keep the 3080 and saving 5k and play some fucking games

but you want a pretty watercooled showpiece, so eh

[sick edge]

Watercooled but your pump is pedal driven. Smort.

[hard drift]

i mean an i3 would look the same as an i9 watercooled lol, you're going to see a block/tubes not the cpu

[jaunty light]

R g b

https://tenor.com/view/rgb-gif-23738456

[modest moss]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-wtf-screaming-shouting-gif-15873606

[eager sandal]

what the frick is that

[jaunty light]

the rgb cube

Hail cube

[eager sandal]

update about my ram situation

seller is turning into a broken record telling me to follow instructions and slot it in again

[jaunty light]

Where u bought it from

[sick edge]

Need that nobtendo 64 blow trick

[eager sandal]

a local online shop

[jaunty light]

Play it like a harmonica then reslot

[eager sandal]

good idea

[jaunty light]

Simple as pie ram not detected therefore exchange or refund needed

[eager sandal]

yeah i keep asking if its refundable

[jaunty light]

This why I just go thru amazon

[eager sandal]

dude says 'follow instructions to install ram mm yes'

there goes my money

have to wait for another year to get one

[sick edge]

Get a jobe?

Or catfish a simp

[sick edge]

Is vancouver in the east?

usually the algorithm is volume based shipping

Less speed, more.. cheap. XD The cheapest method possible

[dusky magnet]

Vancouver is east coast. Basically a couple hours north of Seattle.

[sick edge]

seattle is west....

[dusky magnet]

Oh ye

[sick edge]

....

[dusky magnet]

But yeah

Coastal city so it doesn't make sense to send to Kentucky first

[sick edge]

Them probably what I said, or kentucky has theymir hq

and they pass all packages through hq depending, maybe.

[sly elk]

wowwww

[GPU] EVGA RTX 3080Ti XC3 Ultra Gaming 12GB - $1329.99

-rolls eyes-

-falls over-

[eager sandal]

1. only recently turned 16 and the pandemic is ass here
2. i will feel horrible

[sick edge]

Most jobs feel horrible. XD that first point is an issue though.

[sick edge]

Its actually hard tk tell if you're being sarcastic or not. XP

prebuilts woth 3060s cost about that but also, thats about matching with a 3090 which is also about the same price i believe

[eager sandal]

no i meant catfishing

ill eventually have to get a job shitty or not

[sick edge]

Oh, makes more sense. Just lose the conscience. The world will jade you eventually. XD

[torpid kayak]

I'm wondering between 1060 and 2060. Don't think I will go more than Full HD monitor 🤔

[sick edge]

oh sorry, i guess 3 would be lead on a simp 2 is just catfishing

but you can combine both.

Feeling bad for them is... neutral? If you've seen twitch and onlyfans, some people can afford to be suckers. =I

[eager sandal]

yeah i just dont wanna be like, reliant on that idea

makes me feel lazy and underserved

[sick edge]

... I like how that's the problem. =P

and not the underlying psychology of loneliness and self worth the simps must prove. XD

but cest la vie it is an option available to you as being not a dude.

[eager sandal]

people can give money if they want to idrc, i just dont want to bank on valuing myself as a commodity or monetary value

thats horrible

it also encourages behavior like that

which makes that worse

[sick edge]

? thats half of all jobs in some way.

[eager sandal]

at least you aren't living off of some lonely bro's money though

[sick edge]

waiting and dining comes to mind.

well, It's terrible and I'm being paradoxical about it, but also remember if it didnt go to you it went to someone else.

but these are just ideas.

[eager sandal]

yes

just dont wanna contribute to that and im fine with being forever broke till i get a job

ill manage somehow

[sick edge]

The first one of getting a crappy job is your best bet sonce businesses are hiring within those crappy jobs that are well within your experience range

unless youre really good at upselling yourself

or have some nepotist connections

[eager sandal]

my line of work doesn't align with nepotism things

[sick edge]

If you have any skills that arent illegal to market, that would probably work.

[eager sandal]

err my line of future

work

my brother im p sure has that though

[sick edge]

Not gonna lie you're being too idealistic about that.

[eager sandal]

yes

[sick edge]

social networking is just how it be.

[eager sandal]

ill see how it goes in the future

[sick edge]

Your friends and so on are way likely to get you a job unless youre extremely confident and well qualified all on your own.

or in this case, you're 16 and theres lots of open slots for jobs aimed at that age and experience.

or bake cookies and sell to friends and family

[eager sandal]

OH YOU'RE RIGHT I CAN BAKE STUFF

[sick edge]

I guess I shoulda opened with that XD

or something similar to crafting

[eager sandal]

easy

i was always thinking about tutoring but i only get like $10-$20 every 3-4 hours

last time i checked

[sick edge]

if you can make anything. Old high school, it wasnt "allowed" to sell things but lotsa guys made bank selling chips and kool aid gummy worms

and fried oreos. =P

If your school has tutoring positions you can do that if you feel halfway decent on any subject

[eager sandal]

mmm cheesecake

oh i meant outside school

im pretty sure i can get a few people with how much people my mum knows

[sick edge]

as far as being an independent tutor, it's... iffy? legally speaking it would count as independent contractor of you make enough money. but you're 16 so I dont know of legality applies to you as much as just knowing a subject and seeing if anyone you know knows anyone who needs a tutor and what rmeither theyd be willing to pay or whag you would be comfortable charging.

and obviously how good of a tutor you be.

=P what you just mentioned is nepotism. XD

[eager sandal]

yes

also yeah, that's part of my concerns too

but in the context of my country i dont think it'd be so bad of an issue because there's a lot of informal workers that are undocumented yet ignored by our government

some r definitely shady af

but that's probably more of an issue than just,, getting somebody to tutor you

[sick edge]

It could be associated but you can use the same loopholes either way. XD

[eager sandal]

mm

anyway thanks for the ideas

ive always wanted to try baking so i'll try that

[sick edge]

That'll take a bit to be profitable, but good luck. XD

[eager sandal]

thank you

[sly elk]

Looks yummy

[royal forge]

Ok, my screen has turned black yet again

Lights are on

Fans running

Nothing taxing. Just discord and firefox

Ctrl Alt Del doesnt do anything

[hard drift]

ctrl + shift + windows key + b

[potent arrow]

Bro this shit just screams hardware fault

[royal forge]

Ye. I just fired off an email to the support email

I also did ever so politely point out that i was essentially told to reformat my shit

[royal forge]

Wuzzat

[hard drift]

restarts graphics drivers

[royal forge]

Oo

I restarted it already but i'll try it when it reoccurs

[hard drift]

did you look in event viewer to see if it's something causing it?

[royal forge]

Same shit as before

[hard drift]

rip

[royal forge]

But now im paranoid

Because i think the error shows up after the restart???

It's really odd

[hard drift]

the error shows up after restart?

[royal forge]

Nah. As in, it might not be that error

But that error keeps popping up

[real edge]

what error is it

[royal forge]

Screen is off at 9.15pm.

So there's no errors at that time

but on launch

[hard drift]

go to the event below it

or above

[royal forge]

this is the 8.50 one

this is the one right after

so it's a real head scratcher

[real edge]

what the hell

[hard drift]

copy that top line of text for me and send it here please, too much to type

[royal forge]

SCEP Certificate enrollment initialization for WORKGROUP\DESKTOP-A74BVU2$ via https://AMD-KeyId-578c545f796951421221a4a578acdb5f682f89c8.microsoftaik.azure.net/templates/Aik/scep failed:

I've googled it before, it's tied to some TPM fuckery

[hard drift]

are you on w11?

[royal forge]

10

[hard drift]

disable tpm

[royal forge]

Cant

[hard drift]

?

[royal forge]

My fucking pants on head stupid bios doesnt hav that option

im not sure if clearing the TPM will help

[hard drift]

try that, was just about to post that

[real edge]

I assume you googled this stuff already

[royal forge]

yep

as you can see, there is no Turn off TPM button

So that why im stumped

[real edge]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/trustedplatformmodule/disable-tpmautoprovisioning?view=windowsserver2022-ps

seen this?

[royal forge]

hilariously

it cant load

connection timed out

[hard drift]

Disable-TpmAutoProvisioning put that into powershell

[real edge]

I have never seen that error before

[hard drift]

your everything is broken lmao

[royal forge]

now what

[real edge]

hmmm

if you still get the error

disable all the tpm shit via powershell

[royal forge]

But doesn't that show that TPM is activated?

like, after I disabled it,it listed that it's activated

[real edge]

autoprovisioning is what you disabled

logically

[royal forge]

Ah

[real edge]

Disable-TpmEnabled should work if autoprovisioning worked

[royal forge]

Restart done

[real edge]

lets see if you get that same error now

[royal forge]

Still got it

[real edge]

then go through that tpm list and disable all of it

starting with enabled

and then activated

then restart and see if you get the same error

[royal forge]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-shocked-amazed-confused-gif-15177641

[real edge]

Try False instead of disable

[royal forge]

nope

no joy

[real edge]

https://ithelp.brown.edu/kb/articles/managing-windows-encryption-enable-or-clear-tpm

I assume you've seen this already

[royal forge]

Yea. but the bios has no TPM setting

so that's extra gigabraintime

i wonder if clearing will fix it

im just worried it'll wipe everything

[real edge]

if you cannot even use the pc

then doing last resort options might be a good idea

[royal forge]

it's usable

but it's unstable

so i'll just use it for now since I need it for work

[real edge]

do you have a TCG option under security?

[royal forge]

nah

just SecureBoot

[real edge]

might be time to clear tpm then and see if that does anything

[royal forge]

im just worried to do it now

as I have an exam coming up in 1 month that all my work is here and it's the only PC i have atm

PLUS, the exam is online

[deep sapphire]

Let’s setup a gofundme so Aoi can buy a nice Intel machine

[real edge]

the other alternatives are to get a new pc, transfer your hard drives to the new pc and sell your old one or to completely reformat the pc

[royal forge]

i just bought this PC in may last year...

[real edge]

reformatting the PC wipes out the data in the drive the reformat was done in, including registry and stuff

[royal forge]

and with prices being the way they are..

[hard drift]

imagine buying an intel machine

might get stuck with an arc gpu

can't have Aoi doing that

[dull garnet]

User error tbh

[deep sapphire]

reads above yeah imagine having a PC that works

[royal forge]

you say that, but... look at how my AMD adventure is goin

[hard drift]

intel arc if you get it will be worse

[real edge]

I have an amd cpu and it never had problems

[royal forge]

I think it's just the hardware throwing problems

[hard drift]

also this doesn't sound like an amd error, your bios doesn't even have the settings

[royal forge]

Yea...

[hard drift]

my bet is on motherboard lol

[deep sapphire]

noooo you gotta use the right aegis bios that they released

[hard drift]

they just have to have the setting which their cpu should have

[royal forge]

Im just gonna like, sit back and harrass the company

[deep sapphire]

people update their bios?

[hard drift]

you're probably on an old ass bios smh

[deep sapphire]

I’m on an old ass PC

[real edge]

what is the model of your mobo?

[royal forge]

it's a laptop

[hard drift]

so the only time intel was actually good

[royal forge]

gimme a moment

[real edge]

ohh..laptop....great

[hard drift]

oh gosh... laptops

🤢

[deep sapphire]

Sorry sweety my money goes to fancy Milwaukee tools not PC parts

[hard drift]

no no, it goes to that ford you own

[royal forge]

to be honest, i got the laptop because I had no clue whether where I was goin had space for a PC

[deep sapphire]

They just released a new angle grinder

289 bucks for just the tool though fuuu

[hard drift]

suffer

[royal forge]

shit, i wasn't even sure if i would have like.. a consistent power supply

[deep sapphire]

Atleast include a battery wtf Milwaukee

[hard drift]

every tool buyer has loads of spare batteries we don't need to supply them /s

[deep sapphire]

I have 3 batteries but I WANT MORE OF THEM

[hard drift]

🤨

[real edge]

I will google the model of your mobo and tpm

or laptop and tpm

see if I can get anything

[deep sapphire]

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M18-18-Volt-Lithium-Ion-High-Output-12-0Ah-Battery-Pack-48-11-1812/305058854

Should get this

TWELVE AMP HOURS

[hard drift]

that's fucking 250 dollars for one battery...

[deep sapphire]

I only buy shit when it’s on sale

Father’s Day

Home Depot has some banger sales

[hard drift]

i'll just go walk in and ask my buddy for a discount

[deep sapphire]

Nice get me one too

[hard drift]

no

[deep sapphire]

Wow fuck you

Toxic

[hard drift]

going to buy it at 50% off then sell it to you for 10% off

[deep sapphire]

Still a better value than the new AMD processors coming out

[royal forge]

@real edge

[hard drift]

smh

[royal forge]

[hard drift]

i'm ignoring you 😭 i'm going to vanish for the day again

[deep sapphire]

That’s right

You run away

Imagine wasting your limited dollars on products that don’t work

Can’t relate

[hard drift]

my products actually have 0 problems, now if only i could say the same for my ram

[deep sapphire]

Sure blame the RAM

[hard drift]

it is

[deep sapphire]

Not the well known memory controllers on AMD chipsets

[hard drift]

i mean it's worked flawlessly for months :p

plus i'm using 4 sticks

and really cheap ram

[real edge]

I cannot find jack shit on google about that

[deep sapphire]

Here I’ll help you

[real edge]

laptop

[royal forge]

Yep. It's a boutique place. HURR CUSTOM LAPTOP

[hard drift]

tech mentor actually going to work 😮

[deep sapphire]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/homepage.html

[hard drift]

what a novel concept

[hard drift]

you're a failure

[deep sapphire]

LMAO

[hard drift]

here i was expecting you to actually do something smh

[real edge]

contact support and ask them for a new bios for your laptop

[royal forge]

Ye. Thats what im doin atm

[hard drift]

does their website not carry anything?

do they even have a website...

[deep sapphire]

Speaking of weird support

[royal forge]

Yes they do. Which i've already installed

[deep sapphire]

At my last job we bought these small form factor PCs from a company called minis forum

Well guess what, if you needed to contact support

You ACTUALLY had to post on their forum

[hard drift]

shit company

[real edge]

hopefully

they give you a new bios

[deep sapphire]

Guess the implied name of the company wasn’t kidding

[hard drift]

[royal forge]

Im sad

I never have luck with laptops

[deep sapphire]

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M18-FUEL-18-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Brushless-Cordless-4-1-2-in-6-in-Grinder-with-Slide-Switch-with-Lock-On-Tool-Only-2981-20/308866349 buy me this bidori

[hard drift]

no

[deep sapphire]

Damn time to buy a MacBook

[hard drift]

nobody ever does

[deep sapphire]

“It just works”

[hard drift]

they want to game not watch a powerpoint

[real edge]

I never recommend laptops because they are usually more expensive and you cannot swap out anything

[royal forge]

I was hoping this would at least last me to a 4080

Yea. But, life factors, ya know

[hard drift]

the amount of heat a 4080 will generate 😭

[deep sapphire]

That’s alright, we all learn tough lessons

Now you know who to use

[hard drift]

the tough lesson i learned is to block hank

[real edge]

jokes aside amd is fine nowdays

[royal forge]

Want a PC, but

• no space
• HURRR BRING YOUR LAPTOP BECAUSE YOU NEED TO MAKE SLIDES AND PRESENT THEM

[deep sapphire]

You need me

[hard drift]

for what 🤨

[real edge]

their cpus and gpus are both good now

[hard drift]

buy a small form factor prebuilt

[deep sapphire]

Why not build a mATX system

[real edge]

^

[hard drift]

they'd take up the space of about a console

[deep sapphire]

Hey it’s not okay to lie

[royal forge]

Ye... thats the goal

[deep sapphire]

Jesus is watching

[royal forge]

But

Now seems... a bad time

[dull garnet]

Buy a 10 year old X series ThinkPad for school

[hard drift]

also do not expect to go small form factor and get a 4080

[dull garnet]

[deep sapphire]

Go away /g/

[real edge]

the ryzen cpus are great and the gpus are actually competing with nvidia

[deep sapphire]

Install gentoo

[hard drift]

and once intel enters the gpu market we'll have a new person to laugh at

[dull garnet]

[hard drift]

since their gpu drivers are the worst lmfao

[deep sapphire]

It’s so competitive that nvidia has a 95 percent market share

[hard drift]

we're getting there

[dull garnet]

My X201 is like 13 years old and would be fine for that

[deep sapphire]

The way it’s meant to be played

[real edge]

amd was shit for over a decade until the 6xxx series cards

no wonder nvidia has tons of market share

as well as intel

[dull garnet]

Wait

Which ones

[deep sapphire]

Buy once cry once

[dull garnet]

6850/6870?

[real edge]

it takes time to claw up after being shit for so long

[hard drift]

that'll be why intel loses a chance if people go by that mentality

their known issues list grows with each update

[deep sapphire]

What issues

[real edge]

I am glad that there is competition now

[real edge]

the market moves forward

better for consumers

[deep sapphire]

Who cares about Intel GPUs

[hard drift]

you should

[deep sapphire]

Nvidia with its 95 percent market share

Clearly the populous knows who to choose

[hard drift]

we all care about intel gpus because we need them to help normalize market

[real edge]

it built its market share after a decade of no competition

[deep sapphire]

Yeah sucks that other brand couldn’t accomplish that

[real edge]

now there is competition finally

and we are getting better products thanks to that

intel stagnated after haswell until ryzen released

[deep sapphire]

That’s cool, I’ll still buy nvidia

[hard drift]

mindless fanboy 😭

[real edge]

the rtx 2xxx series cards were shit

[deep sapphire]

And that’s not true, skylake was a massive improvement

[real edge]

but now 6-8 core cpus are the norm and rtx 3xxx was great

[deep sapphire]

I wouldn’t say they were shit but I will agree the price they charged for the raster performance uplift they provided was pretty bad

The 3080 at MSRP was a good value

Obviously with the current market that isn’t the case

[real edge]

the market is finally moving forward and progressing at a pace we can be happy with

[hard drift]

i'm waiting for next gen

[real edge]

after years of stagnation due to no competition

[hard drift]

going to be spicy

[deep sapphire]

I think nvidia sorta shot themselves in the foot when they launched the 1080Ti because it was such a bargain

[hard drift]

nvidia shot themselves in the foot when they made a combo generation

[deep sapphire]

They always do that?

They use the same architecture for 2 generations

[real edge]

shit on amd all you want but you cannot deny the good they did to the consumer market by finally giving nvidia and intel something to care about

we all benefit thanks to that

[deep sapphire]

Normally I would agree but AMD is getting pretty greedy and sure you can argue they earned their merit of a high quality product and pricing accordance but AMD was always known as the lower cost offering that was usually within reaching distance of Intel

Other than the FX line AMD always had a fairly competitive product

Phenom 64 I guess as well but that only lasted like a year or 2

[hard drift]

fx 🤢

[deep sapphire]

Phenom II was much better

[real edge]

there was massive stagnation during the FX era

amd was shit both cpu and gpu side

for many years

[dull garnet]

Their GPUs were okay until the 7970

[deep sapphire]

For just AMD? Nvidia had plenty of good product all through the decade

The 680 and 780 were kinda meh but they were designed around efficiency

[hard drift]

fucking discord

[deep sapphire]

Unlike the 7970

[hard drift]

i wasn't trying to post that

[real edge]

I know its a meme at this point

[hard drift]

hey now, you can't hate on the 7970 when fermi exists

[real edge]

but it is a tad tiring to see the same shitting over and over

[deep sapphire]

Atleast my fermi cards worked

[real edge]

I am saying this as a person btw not a mod

[hard drift]

yeah, worked to grill

[deep sapphire]

Should take a nap then cause I’m not gonna stop

[hard drift]

until there's real change it will be this way for a while 😔

[dull garnet]

We can all agree the 5700 XT was the worst

[hard drift]

yeah amd has gotten a lot better but they still don't have the numbers to back it all up plus their prices are just as bad when they need to get more people to their side rather than match nvidia

the 6800xt is amazing for the price too bad you can't get it for msrp

[deep sapphire]

AMD deserves no goodwill, they’re literally releasing products that have existed for multiple generations as new products and are not priced competitively. On top of back peddling multiple times on its compatibility on chipsets

[hard drift]

indeed navi 1 sucked ass

[deep sapphire]

I shat on Intel when the 7700K launched

If you release crap, you deserve crap

[hard drift]

i mean AMD shot itself in the foot when they said am4 would be supported for so long and tried to say 300 can't support it

it also doesn't help when AMD tries to shit on nvidia saying things like "8GB is the new minimum for gpus" or something along those lines then released the 6500xt and tried to hide that exact article

both sides do bad shit and intel when they enter the market will more than likely be no different

[sick edge]

I dunno, a third option always shakes things up

[hard drift]

yes but the only place intel will likely be able to capitalize on atm is the low end because they for sure aren't going to compete with the high end yet

[dull garnet]

I bought a 7700K

Then they released the 8700K

I was so mad

[deep sapphire]

Yeah that was bullshit lmao

Like 7 months later wasnt it

[dull garnet]

I ended up selling it and buying a 2500K

Lmao

[hard drift]

[deep sapphire]

2500K

HUH

[hard drift]

icehunter is that you?

[deep sapphire]

LMAO

[dull garnet]

I upgraded from a 3570K to the 7700K

That 3570K lasted well

[deep sapphire]

Yeah but why would you regress multiple generations

[dull garnet]

Money

[sick edge]

and im ok with that as long as msrp is better for their arc. XP

[deep sapphire]

o-oh okay

[dull garnet]

Madness

Briefly obsessed with how much pc I could get by on with little money

[hard drift]

i mean if msrp is good sure, but if their drivers aren't good you'll just get another 5700xt like generation and that's a big no thanks from me

[deep sapphire]

Sandy bridge was pretty based

[dull garnet]

I bought a 670 for £50

[deep sapphire]

That pretty much killed AMD so I love it that much more

[sick edge]

And supposedly thrres some performance interplay between the arc and their integrated, so Im curious at this point.

[dull garnet]

Using the same psu and case the components were like £200

[hard drift]

we'll see pretty sure it's been done before but really didn't take off

[sick edge]

It'd be my first gpu of I can grab it so Im willing to test waters especially in this market.

[hard drift]

i wouldn't be so eager to test waters trust me

[sick edge]

Honestly just does have to be better than a 3060 to