technology-discussion

[spare elbow]

you realize you can ban any user with an id, right? this doesn't mean they're in your server.

[dire viper]

so basically, cause we are in this server and mfs are connecting in from outside the US, the NSA can just log everything

not sure if that is even true

they have a data farm like 30 minutes away from me

[spare elbow]

they left the server

[tepid gulch]

Couldn't they just set a data collection point on the undersea cables in international waters

What's the law for data collection in international areas

Probably none

And every bit of data moves internationally as people read it around the world

[dire viper]

I mean they dont need to do it internationally when its just free game

FBI/NSA can do it on US soil but they have restrictions, outside the US they dont. CIA not legally allowed to do anything on domestic soil unless authorized by el presidente

and usually CIA on domestic soil is military intervention stuff

involves big boom

LOL

yea it does

FBI and CIA are self regulating typically, and they generally do actually respect their allowed jurisdictions, although they are frequently at odds with each other in what ways they seek resolutions to problems

[hot shadow]

theyre called sharks

[tepid gulch]

I like sharks

https://tenor.com/view/shark-great-white-shark-gif-1382775562057208206

[sharp star]

https://tenor.com/view/cable-underwater-shark-yummy-underwater-cable-gif-10935550427068792581

[sly walrus]

shork hungy

[sly elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MA-ENa3Dz0

of course he would

it's practical, and it matches his jacket

[wide hill]

just rando bots a server has allowed random people to install bots on the server

can't tell if they are bots or just normal users

i just checked on one of my servers, and it was by default enabled for everyone

but since it is a public server, a random user here already could do the same thing as an invited bot does

and it doesn't look like it even has access to even read messages, only to use when the user acts on it, for example an image.

[pine thistle]

oh they already left

[sharp star]

yeah lmao

There's some extremely grand irony in using Ser Aymeric to pull logs from

[pine thistle]

ah well, hope they're happy believing that discord would do that through bots instead of just using the database directly

[solemn geyser]

What’s wrong with Sir Aymeric?

[sharp star]

There’s a whole saga surrounding that but the tl;dr is that it’s spyware that the dev used to snoop on his ex

And other people he didn’t like

[spring raven]

Jesus

[sharp star]

Yeah

[solemn geyser]

0_0

One of my servers I'm on uses it, so... I'll think twice about getting stuff from it. I don't want to support stalkerware.

[wide hill]

don't worry, as long as you aren't in any shape or form being hated on or partially disliked by them, you won't be stalked or have your messages monitored 🤡

[solemn geyser]

I mean if this fuckstick is using it to stalk his ex I don't want to be complicit in that by supporting the program.

[sly elk]

sounds like something from aliexpress

so what are you doing with AI ice

[inland mauve]

you can power two top-end PCs with that

why did he do that?

at least he'll be ready for the RTX 6090

[hot shadow]

HELLA

[sly elk]

in an ideal world you'd have 2 UPSes feeding a redundant power supply

i sometimes wonder why the power supply can't be the UPS itself so you'd just plug a giant 12v battery in

save all the dc-ac->dc conversion nonsense

especially with 12vo on the menu

[sharp star]

screaming

[severe stream]

?

[sharp star]

all that CPU and RAM and a dinky little 5070 Ti

[wraith agate]

"Practicing how to fly the ships which will take me a few weeks alone to figure out."
Yeah makes sense

If you are that dumb then yeah

[severe stream]

That paragraph took me a little while to understand first

[sly elk]

they built it, too

9950x, 96gb ram.. 96! why the heck did they buy a 5070ti lol

hahahaha

https://old.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1kt3v1y/i_let_my_friend_borrow_my_gpu/

in the same sorta realm

[sly elk]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/alVRwdQq0Ug

it's disappointing they'd probably never sell that in the US

certainly not for 25k euros lol

[wild wyvern]

Is my gpu dead if its showing no signal but the fans and power light are showing?

[hazy frost]

I mean.. some people have gaming as their hobby and use their pc for work

9950x and 96gb of ram is either an idiot or they could be using it for video editing or something

[wild wyvern]

But tried diff adapters also nada same as other gpu nada too

[sly elk]

like never at all?

did you try all the inputs, and with a different monitor just to make sure?

You could also try a different slot on your motherboard if it has more than one

[pine thistle]

rest of the money went into virtual spaceships, they didn't have enough for a better gpu :D

[wild wyvern]

Idh any other monitor otjer than a tv but i tried it and still no signal and i tried an old gpu and it doesnt wanna show an image too

My mobo doesnt have an 2nd slot

Idk if its the adapter issue or gpu itself

[lost python]

virtual spaceships in the game they claimed to play which doesnt actually exist yet

[lost python]

get a different cable or adapter

still

[wild wyvern]

Might get an new adapter first

[pine thistle]

I would assume they're talking about star citizen in the first part which does actually exist, it's just not getting finished anytime soon lol

[wild wyvern]

I tried all ports

On the old gpu too but still no display

It might be the adapter

Idh any new ones lying around

[sly elk]

it might be the adapter or the computer isn't posting

does it look like it's booting otherwise?

[wild wyvern]

It is

It just doesnt show any image

[sly elk]

how do you know it's booting into windows?

the fans and stuff may turn on like normal and the computer still isn't booting

ah but yea try the cheaper easier things first 🙂

using a different cable and/or adapter would definitely be the best first move

[wild wyvern]

I know its booting cuz the keyboard lights are flashing

[potent arrow]

that's not an indication of booting

just means your keyboard is getting power

[wild wyvern]

Actually i know it booted to windows

[wide hill]

chrome actually is brave as the engine

[wraith agate]

The first two just hurt

Both of those are chromium based

Bing is a search engine not a browser

[sharp star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puFaUSTwiis

I wonder if 12VHPWR can actually be fixed or is it a matter of it being fucked as an interface and any existing owners of cards that use them can delay the inevitable

[potent arrow]

@lost python going to scream

I felt old

[sharp star]

Jesus fucking Christ

Some months ago I remembered what model ThinkPad I used to have back when IBM still owned the brand

and now I forgot

[lost python]

LOL

[dire viper]

Strange looking Glock

[brave oxide]

Tbh the risk is pretty low for non 90 cards

But I consider every 90 to be a landmine waiting to be stepped on

[sharp star]

lmao

I guess my 4090 is an IED

Bomb has been planted

🤷‍♂️

The Sapphire Nitro+ 9070 XT and any similar cards have been fine because it pushes like 370w

The ones that aren’t fine are those that push 500+

[sharp star]

So wait, if a 4090 is an IED, what does that make the 5090

[hazy frost]

I had to have this conversation with someone the other day

People don’t know the difference between Google and chromium

[brave oxide]

If the 4090 is improvised then the 5090 feels more like professionally made, but idk what's the closest bomb analogy to that

[sharp star]

C4?

[brave oxide]

Oh yeah a c4

[hot shadow]

[tepid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-plasma-grenade-distraught-gif-17625944529914430529

[hot shadow]

it's fun when stickygrenade in halo so you can blow somebody else up with it

[tepid gulch]

[dire viper]

The ironwolf pro is so cringe

But other drives don’t have issues for whatever reason

My 2TB’s are going strong after like 5 years

[tepid gulch]

I stopped using hard drives entirely

[sharp star]

It’s always Seagate I have issues with and not other HDD brands

[dire viper]

True

I should get an NVME expansion card but I make 16 an hour and drive a BMW M product so most of my money goes to maintain the thing I have more interest in

[tepid gulch]

[dire viper]

The car hungers for death but I will not let it die

[tepid gulch]

Bmw has never done anything wrong

Wym

[sly elk]

oh neat those are the kind where you can save to those things that look like the save icon in ms word!

[dire viper]

If anybody wants to give me a GPU that has more than 8GB of vram for free and is better than a 3070 base let me know :)

[sly elk]

-looks at his sad asrock card- mine only uses like 300w lol

i'm actually glad about that though because it means less heat

less fan noise

negligibly less performance

[sly elk]

accurate

[sharp star]

I’ll give you my 4090 once it bursts into flames

[dire viper]

[sly elk]

holy crap 13 reddit replies i must've hit some nerve

[sharp star]

did you piss off some weird Nvidia fanboys

[sly elk]

no it was actually a comment about installing refrigerators in giant wood cabinets in the kitchen

i joked about cutting the top of the cabinet off to fit the fridge the dude was asking about

err bottom shelf on the top cabinet (and just leave the doors there). and a bunch of people said they did just that lol.

[brave oxide]

facts, haven't touched seagate after losing 2

idk how many years ago i bought this current WD HDD and haven't had issues (please dont jinx)

[wide hill]

would anyone unironically want to watch an AI generated movie?

sure watch it once for the curiosity

[tepid gulch]

If it's shit enough that it's funny then yes

[inland mauve]

so many people are already dependant on chatgpt for everything

[wide hill]

the problem now is that it isn't shit funny, it's just boring

[tepid gulch]

So... Like a normal movie?

[wide hill]

a real boring movie has more of a boring impact than an AI generated boring movie

[tepid gulch]

[wide hill]

so i am wondering, who is this for

it's like trying to make brainwash content

and 100%, tiktok is already using it

[tepid gulch]

Brainwashing sim

[inland mauve]

passive income

flooding social media with AI generated slop

fully automated

idk if it's gonna work

like it's going to drive part of the audience away

and it's going to make it harder for human creators to stand out

so it kinda depends on the average user who doesn't mind consuming that slop

[wide hill]

if a human person can suffer to only watch ai slop, they aren't humans anymore

[inland mauve]

none of us here are the intended audience for this kinda stuff, you have to remember that

we're already much more informed than the average person on social media

even the people here who don't mind generative AI know more about them than the average user does

[wide hill]

yeah you got facebook grandma liking ai generated photos of wood creations made by a poor starving person

[tepid gulch]

[inland mauve]

so idk, I think that the quality does matter, or at the very least the entertainment factor

and AIs can never keep consistency up for very long so I don't see them make a feature length movie that makes any kind of sense

what I'm much more worried about is how they're going to be used to spread deepfakes and fake news

[tepid gulch]

Mortal Kombatttt

[wide hill]

it's either going to be that they are using a base ontop, like the actor only is real, and the rest is ai generated

[inland mauve]

and vice versa that we won't be able to trust even legitimate video footage anymore

we've really opened pandora's box there

[wide hill]

cause, the only thing that is most ignored in what you see in front of you is the background

if the main character in the movie looks completely different 10 minutes later, then that is a failure

[inland mauve]

but we already lived in a post-truth world anyway so

didn't need AI for that

I can't be more specific because of the rules of the server

[sly elk]

not big nuff

[tepid gulch]

I talked about this the other day. Soon the Internet will implode because its purpose, to be a source of information, will be overshadowed by ai slop

[inland mauve]

we're already there

[sly elk]

see I was thinking icehunter just wanted the biggest baddest card but he actually does play demanding games a couple hours a day

unlike me who plays demanding games once every 2 months

[inland mauve]

it's almost impossible to find the right information on search engines now

it's all flooded with AI slop

[wide hill]

i heard that memes are getting more yellow-ish cause of ai is feeding themselves ai slop

piss memes they call it

[sly elk]

eh i still get relevant enough results from ddg lol

[inland mauve]

I tried to find something as basic as the command I need to restart a Minecraft server and it's just one AI generated article after another that are total bullshit

one literally gave me fake commands that don't work

[brave oxide]

2 months? That's pretty frequent

[inland mauve]

it just generated something to fill empty space for passive click generation

[sly elk]

yea but like

[inland mauve]

doesn't matter that it's false

[brave oxide]

I have to force myself to stop playing online slop and play some big demanding single player game

[sly elk]

i can't imagine spending $2k more on a 5090 instead of the 9070xt i have

i just can't. I could buy a really sweet guitar with that money

and it's not like the mid end cards aren't cool af looking too

[wide hill]

the feed is just like

ai-slop, ads, ai-slop, ads, ai-slop etc.

consumer behavior

[tepid gulch]

My feed is anime clips and people dying

[brave oxide]

Honestly even if I frequently played demanding games I would buy a literal fire hazard lol

I wouldn't*

[wide hill]

don't worry, they are fixing it now with having 2 12VHPWR connectors

[sly elk]

the smart adapters are neat too

i wonder how much money the gpu manufacturers save by doing it the dangerous way thoguh

[tepid gulch]

That would fix it actually but that's uhh

Not a solution

[sly elk]

there isn't any form of current balancing on the cards

they just bus all the +12v pins together iirc

[tepid gulch]

Hear me out

Just put this on the gpu

[sly elk]

i'm not necessarily disagreeing lol

[tepid gulch]

Just plug your gPU into the wall

[wide hill]

the gpu would need to have a transformer in it

[tepid gulch]

True

Bigger gpus

What could go wrong

[wide hill]

4 slot height gpu

[tepid gulch]

[sly elk]

starts to look like one of those weird intel nucs

[wide hill]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1kt2uhr/seasonics_nextgeneration_prime_psus_to_will_try/

[tepid gulch]

To will try to stop

[wide hill]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1ktgp34/chinese_youtuber_releases_opensource_diy_12v2x6/

so that you are 100% sure you aren't killing your gpu

instead of needing a thermal camera and hope for the best

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1ktrsho/fantasy_author_called_out_for_using_ai_after/

yeah nah chatgpt users are goddamn stupid

[brave oxide]

man why do m.2 ssds never come with the damn screw

fuck do i know where i threw the bag with all the screws that came with my mobo

[wide hill]

you don't screw in the m2 screw?

when there is no m2 ssd?

i think it should come like, pre-installed itself screwed in

(maybe)

[sly elk]

don't the motherboards usually come with the screw already on the slot

[brave oxide]

See if I was a smarter person I would have done that

[brave oxide]

No it was in a bag

I took 1 screw for the SSD I was using but didn't think of leaving the second screw on the second slot

To avoid having to find it again

[sly elk]

ah

not used to that.. allof mine came with it already on the board

mymsi board has these half moon things that rotate to hold the ssds in place

[wide hill]

yeah those are very neat

[brave oxide]

This is MSI too but they cheaped out it seems lol

I found 4 bags of motherboard screws and none of them have the m.2 screw

Might just leave it unscrewed

[wide hill]

scotch tape will keep it in place

[brave oxide]

Would grey tape work?

The kind you use to cover someone's mouth when you kidnap them

(in the movies)

alright seems secure enough

[hot shadow]

now this is podtracing

[hot shadow]

we will build you a beautiful coffin

jk you'll be fine

[brave oxide]

AMD can't be clowned for driver issues anymore

[sly elk]

i'm not having any driver issues with my 9070xt

[sly elk]

and the 1070 was a lot cooler looking

[sharp star]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-releases-firmware-fix-for-geforce-rtx-5060-series-to-address-black-screen-and-reboot-issues

[sly elk]

mhmm

if it weren't for the inflated amd prices i'd even egg you into getting an amd card to try for a bit

[zinc sluice]

GUYS

HOW MUCH

WOULD IT COST

ING EMRANY

TO GET A DECENT MACHINE TO RUN FF

IN 1440P

[sharp star]

Budget?

[zinc sluice]

low.

[sharp star]

I uh, I'm gonna need a number

[zinc sluice]

say like

750

is that too low

already got peripherals

[sharp star]

That's firmly in 1080p territory last I checked

[lost python]

750 is not a lot

But it will also depend a lot on if you got anything to keep like monitors or case or psu etc or if you need everything new

Your best bet would probably be to lurk Mindfactory and their deals as well as mydealz and Kleinanzeigen

[zinc sluice]

ok what if

Um

Any

Non ripoff

Pc prebuilts in germany..

[lost python]

Dubaro has some okay ones but usually more expensive.
Mindfactory offers to build the parts for you for an extra fee

But prebuilt and this low of a budget? You will have trouble finding anything worthwhile

[zinc sluice]

its just i wanna get my wife one and shes in germany

cant build it myself one and ship it to her

Neither do i trust it to get there in one piece

Like i can bump the budget up if i need

I probably can

[lost python]

Does she need a monitor and all that stuff too?

[zinc sluice]

Nah

She already has peripherals

shes playing ff on ps5 w a 1440p 120hz or something

I didnt expect her to get a 1440 but she did like a year ago so

Holy shit do people not sell 30 series prebuilts anymore

God damn

Maybe im just too outdated

[sharp star]

no

Also Nvidia keeps fucking up

[zinc sluice]

what.

whatd they do this time

[lost python]

Dubaro has some prebuilts with 3060s but that’s just not worth it.
The cheapest pc I would call decent is 1200 there

[zinc sluice]

like. is this not okay anymore

[lost python]

It’s a 4060, it was never okay

And the cpu is ass

[zinc sluice]

oh my god

im actually so lost

last time i cared for pc stuff was in 9th gen

im cooked

[lost python]

A lot changed

[zinc sluice]

i figured

I do have a 13700k 3070 machine thats been heating my room

and even then i was malding because of how fucking expensive the card was

[lost python]

AMD dominates in cpu performance now and NVIDIA is current busy killing itself just like intels 14th gen cpus did

[zinc sluice]

OH

THE FUCKINNN

DEGRADING THING RIGHT

How did they fuck that up so badly

Mines probably going to die eventually as well

Are things like this not okay anymore?

i remember reading oh ryzen and nvidia gpu combos perform the best and people were getitng mindblown by amd bending intel over

[lost python]

5600 is old and slow on a dead socket.
The Radeon 7600 ain’t good and the vram will limit her very much.
The 5060 is a disaster

[zinc sluice]

Smadge

[zinc sluice]

Would you happen to know whats like the least terrorist cpu/card combo thats budgety as much as possible

[lost python]

used cards

because you can get stuff like a 6800xt for 300 bucks and its faster than anything the prebuilts have below 1400€

but like, the absolute minimum i would go for, for a new system, that is one a prebuilder like dubaro, is something like this one
https://www.dubaro.de/Gaming-PCs/Konsolen-Killer-PC::8137.html

but even then, you still get a cpu from 2 gens ago on a dead socket

[zinc sluice]

ts pmo

Where woukd one find used cards

that doesnt artifact hopefully

Because mine does!

Tail end of mining era

[lost python]

kleinanzeigen is germanys biggest marketplace for ppl. the only alternative are some hardware forums that have their own private marketplace for active members

[zinc sluice]

Thank you robonator i like your name btw

Wait one last thing

Theres something about mindfactory going bankrupt or something?

[lost python]

huh that was news to me

weird, given that they are by far the biggest seller for all things tech here

[zinc sluice]

https://www.gamestar.de/artikel/mindfactory-vor-dem-aus-warum-das,3429008.html

Not sure

[lost python]

they confirmed it https://www.heise.de/news/Mindfactory-bestaetigt-Insolvenz-in-Eigenverwaltung-10326060.html

but apparently they are already doing better again

[lost python]

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[dawn cave]

Yes kupo shit the bed

[sharp star]

Kupo's still shitting the bed, please hold

[lost python]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1ktt3nl/amd_claims_most_gamers_have_no_use_for_more_than/

amd??? what???

how can you say that when there are games that literally run at 10fps if you dont have more

[hazy frost]

I mean that’s not contradicting their statement

‘Most gamers don’t need more than 8’ is a fact

Bc most gamers aren’t even playing the newest triple a titles and definitely not over 1080p

A huge amount of the people with PCs are playing esports, indie, or older online games

For $250 I don’t think the 8GB one is bad but at $300 it’s eh

[lost python]

and then they wanna try out the new spider man 2 and cant get it to run

[hazy frost]

I mean yeah but that’s just how it is

Didn’t spiderman 2 use way less than 8

[lost python]

nah

[hazy frost]

1920x1080 max was never smth i expect with the $250 GPUs tbf im not that mad

Bc if u go to performance the 8GB cards are doing fine

I wonder if their ‘usage’ is allocated vram instead

Which is bad testing if so

[lost python]

but its shit like this that keeps reinforcing this crap about 8gb being more than enough and people fall for it.
then the next flavour of the month comes along and it doesnt run anymore.

[hazy frost]

Yeah but I’m not mad about $250 gpu being like this

$400 4060ti with 8GB? No

Sub $300 card with 8GB

Whatever

[lost python]

computerbase said that iit for sure runs with less vram but not well. you get get stutter with it

[hazy frost]

I don’t think spiderman 2 should be using >8gb anyway

[lost python]

sure, super budget cards can have that, but we still get 380€ GPUs with just 8gb which is the problem

[hazy frost]

Yeah it’s bad

The 9060xt isn’t one I’m mad about tho

It’s cheaper than the 7600 was and faster

It should be called the 9060 tbf

But factually it is still a 9060xt anyway

[lost python]

300$, so probably 380€ here for that 8gb variant

450 probably for the 16gb version

[hazy frost]

It’ll probably be under £300 here

I do blame retailers in Europe for pricing rn because they could be selling them cheaper

They tried it in the UK as well

Demand is high and they can sell for what they want to an extent

But the only thing u can get for £300 otherwise is a refurbished 6700xt or 3070

[lost python]

dunno if its really just the retailers, because even nvidia themselves are selling the 5060 ti for 400€ here

well, 400-450

[hazy frost]

The 5060ti is just bad

I see no world where it’s worth buying for either version bc MSRP sucked

Either way

But like 5070ti MSRP was fine and retailers across the world decided they could charge $400 more bc people wanted it

They were listed for like 100-150 over and got bumped up to almost 500 over when people started buying them lmao

[lost python]

cheapest 5070 ti is 799 here surprisingly

not if you want it directly from nvidia though, then its 860

[hazy frost]

It’s £730 here as well

It was normal after about 2 weeks

9070xt is £660 which is over MSRP but

It is what it is

[zinc sluice]

@lost python hello rob im back again, when you said 5060 is a disaster, can i ask what you meant?

[wraith agate]

simple, they don't provide as many FLOPs as the previous gen

[zinc sluice]

so do people just not run them

or what

oh.

i see it.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/MzyjC8

is this troll

[severe stream]

5060 also has 8gb vram

Unless you go for 16 gig

And gen on gen performance isn't much improved

Beside the dlss4 mfg

[sharp star]

not exactly helped by the fact that the 50 series is more or less built on false advertising

I think I'm beating a dead horse at this point but I understand why frame gen exists and I think it has a place

[severe stream]

Driver sucks too

[sharp star]

Frame gen currently exists as a way for Jensen to lie

[severe stream]

Fg is good when your default fps is good

If your default fps is like 30-40..fg will be shit

Mfg adds even more latency

[lost python]

for germany, use gh.de

[zinc sluice]

but any thoughts on the parts itself..

peeposit

case could prob change fs

[lost python]

they are just eh.
ssd aint great. case is fine. for ram i would try to get 6000mhz one with not catastrophic timings. cl46 is really damn bad. 32-34 at least should be possible without costing too much more

for just ffxiv, it would be good enough though

[hazy frost]

Buy a cheaper psu, get 6000cl36/30 ram and a better gpu

7600xt honestly sucks

The only thing it has going for it is more vram which you’re unlikely to be playing on settings u need it anyway

The 6750xt is like €380 it looks like

Would be better

If you’re just playing FFXIV u might as well get the regular 7600 to save money tho bc u won’t need more than 8GB

[sharp star]

Yeah the 7600 XT isn't what anyone would call "good"

probably just pick your favorite synonym for "bad" and it'll describe the 7600 XT

[hazy frost]

Lmao

It’s one of the only cards that didn’t need 16gb but got it

And for a very nice $100 price increase or something stupid

[late basalt]

“AMD”?

Jk they’ve actually been getting better finally

[wild wyvern]

Im just weirded out on why the prices are abit high for current gpus

Like

[late basalt]

The safe answer is “recent and current events”

[wild wyvern]

Ah yes true

I wonder if it would drop down tho

[late basalt]

Genuinely? I dont know how soon that’d happen

[wild wyvern]

But seems unlikely af

[late basalt]

Personally I’m not too worried about it for myself

[wild wyvern]

Well

For me im in need of an pc upgrade but

[late basalt]

I ran a 1080ti until the 40 series was out for several months

[wild wyvern]

Yeh

[late basalt]

And still went with a 3070

[wild wyvern]

I could only get what i can get

[late basalt]

My gpu’s good for another 5-8 years

Honestly i probably wont upgrade anything besides ram in the near future

[wild wyvern]

I need a full upgrade tbh

But not that important atm

CPU is the most important part

[late basalt]

How old’s the current build?

[wild wyvern]

10 years

[late basalt]

Ah

[wild wyvern]

Lets continue on dms

[late basalt]

Yea, at the very least upgrade cpu/mobo/ram

[wild wyvern]

Yeh

[late basalt]

Pay less for that than a new gpu

[wild wyvern]

I want a new gpu but not an too expensive one

Like the 5060TI

Soooo

[wild wyvern]

I agree im baffled on the gpu prices anyways

[late basalt]

Unless there’s things that do actually require a 50 series card to run, I’d say look at your options in the 30/40 series and amd equivalents

[wild wyvern]

Uhhh

Well i wanted a 4060 but its out of stock now sadly

But an 3050 is good for me too

since its cheap yet its better than my rx 580 by alot

But im also kinda waiting for 5060 or 9060xt

@late basalt

But yeah i would still look

[late basalt]

True

At the very least you’ll be able to upgrade the other three and not worry about the gpu being compatible

[wild wyvern]

Yeah

I dont think i need to go that high yet if im on a budget

I just need one that works

And can run games well

[sly elk]

are you guys back to telling people to buy nvidia cards again?

never not buy an nvidia card! Get a 5060 if you have to!

[wild wyvern]

Huh

[potent arrow]

[late basalt]

Hey, when AMD used to take so long to put out functioning drivers for their gpus that random people on the internet did it faster….

[sly elk]

ah so you are

[tepid gulch]

There are like 0 modern Nvidia cards worth the money rn

Definitely not a single 5000 card

And most of the 40 series as well

[sly elk]

the 5090 is an insanely good value

it's a $10,000 GPU for just $3000

[tepid gulch]

[sly elk]

minus a few compute units, of course

it's the computing bargain of the decade

[brave oxide]

i forgot the reviews, but wasn't the 5070 Ti also reviewed well?

[sly elk]

a staple for every casual AI workload

[sly elk]

it was, and at just $300 more than a 9070xt for 5% more performance it's a total bargain

[tepid gulch]

The 70ti of each gen is usually the best option

But rn

No

AMD wins

[sly elk]

lol to be fair I am exaggerating the price difference.

most of the 9070xts are going around $800 atm

similar price

[tepid gulch]

$800 isn't bad, beats the hell out of my 4070ti I paid the same for

[sly elk]

LIKE I GIVE A SHIT 😄 -wants-

also they cost too much

[tepid gulch]

Money isn't real

[sly elk]

they got 5070s in stock for 799usd

[sly elk]

hmm

how much? :3

[sly elk]

i think it's based on country of origin

but i think it's like 35% atm?

idk

LOL

yea pizza with chips

don't everyone eat pizza that way

lol the way i see it

they're fantastic for "I'll figure out what to do later" cards

yep

i have no idea

i imagine not

looks like x670e is fine for 9800x3d

[hot shadow]

instead my husband bought ultra widescreens

and mounted it up

[hazy frost]

They’re not

U don’t even need an x670

U just need to not buy one of the asrock boards that have issues

[sharp star]

you can get away with a B650 if you wanted to

But yes avoid ASRock as a rule

[hazy frost]

B850s are kinda cheap now so I’d probably get one of those just for the sake of $20 or whatever

But anything else is excessive

[sharp star]

They didn't have B650E mobos when I bought mine so I had to settle for X670

In hindsight it probably worked out

[sly elk]

yea @tame fulcrum if you're lazy and want literally the exact same aesthetic, my msi x670e carbon looks exactly like your pc's motherboard does lol

idk what the most popular board is, probably some asus tuf b650 or well, the tomahawk?

oh interesting haha, the 9060xt (not 9070xt sorry) nitro doesn't have the 12vhpwr connector

they just used a regular 8 pin connector

also also

the pulse 9060xt looks a lot like the oldschool rx580s did

no it actually looks a lot better than the 580s did

[wild wyvern]

Woah

Still not sure how much would the 16gb version of 9060xt cost here

[hazy frost]

Basically the same for most people anyway

[sharp star]

yeah

[hazy frost]

I got an x670e because a good b650 was almost the exact same price when they were new

Now u can get one for like $100 which is crazy lol

[sharp star]

I thought it did but it also doesn’t go up in flames

The Pulse uses 2 8-pin iirc

[sly elk]

sorry i typed that wrong

the 9060xt nitro**

the 9070xt does have the cursed 12 pin connector

[sharp star]

lmao

[hazy frost]

People are too scared of the 12 pin now, bad design but fine on all the cards except the top flagship from Nvidia

[sharp star]

yeah

[hazy frost]

It’s kind of just pointless anyway bc it doesn’t resolve many issues people actually had lmao

But oh well

[sharp star]

Making solutions to problems people don’t have is how you make new problems

[hazy frost]

We’re not yet at a point where having multiple 8 pins is too ridiculous

Waiting for a gpu that just has a full line of 8 pins along its side to power it soon

[hazy frost]

It looks marginally better

That’s all it’s for

Insane use of money to develop that

[sharp star]

maybe I’d actually believe in that 4090 performance at $549 if that R&D was diverted to raw performance and not AI and MFG

hahahahahaha

[hazy frost]

Lmao

I’ve not actually seen anyone USE MFG either

Which is funny

[sharp star]

Except maybe Jensen’s most devoted dick-suckers

[hazy frost]

I appreciate the improvements to the new DLSS model they should just focus on upscaling and stop wasting money on frame gen

Ray reconstruction should get more attention bc it has actual potential

It’s already pretty good

Meanwhile frame gen feels unusable in 90% of games

[brave oxide]

Someone's jealous I'm gonna get 4090 performance on my 5050

Generating 9 frames per 1 frame

[sharp star]

lmao

[hazy frost]

I mean yeah the 5070ti being like 10% faster than the 4070ti is a bit embarrassing

And the 5080 being similar for the 4080

Meanwhile the 4070ti beat the 3090 and matched the 3090ti and 4080 beat both

This gen should’ve all been shifted down atl one tier but then it would be very hard to sell the 5060 lmao

[hazy frost]

Yes

It’s a lot faster but it’s not that much faster

But it SHOULD mostly be bought by people who need it for actual work or something like Titan cards

But idiots buy it anyway

£2200 gpu is only twice as fast as a gpu that cost £600 a year ago

[hot shadow]

wow im sure glad i didnt buy a gpu or something in the mail because this morning i just found out the cluster mailbox was blown wide open and stolen from

LOL holy shit every single person's mail and package is gone

all doors open

lol my family is out talking to the police rn

i didnt really lose anything too bad, maybe 40 bux of bullshit

i feel more bad for everyone else

lol

all my more valuable mail doesnt seem to have reached me yet

[sharp star]

https://videocardz.com/newz/another-msi-yellow-tipped-power-cable-burns-on-geforce-rtx-5090

I love having Multiple Serious Issues on top of 12VHPWR being dogwater

[sly elk]

i was curious how you'd decide to pick here 🙂

the 9070xt is a perfectly cromulent gpu

which is simultaneously the reason for appeal and the lack of appeal I imagine lol

[hazy frost]

9070xt or 5070ti depending on price both are actually ok value at retail ish

MSRP 9070xt doesn’t exist tho

[potent arrow]

anything MSRP basically doesn't exist

[hazy frost]

3090 is lower, just above where the 4070 super is

Under the 4070ti

So most mid tier GPUs now are an upgrade

[sly elk]

another thing I like about the 9070xt is that you don't have to get the 12 pin connector on them 😄

[hazy frost]

The 12 pin connector is not actually an issue on them tho

Don’t need to scare people about it

[sly elk]

that we know of yet

the card's only been out a few months

[hazy frost]

No it just won’t be an issue lol

There’s a reason it didn’t happen to the 4070ti, 4080, 5070ti

[sly elk]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Nvidia-RTX-5070-is-the-latest-Blackwell-GPU-to-suffer-a-melted-power-cable-and-damaged-connector.998647.0.html

to be fair I only see one case of a 5070 doing that

[sly elk]

afaik on the 4080 cards they didn't bus all the pins together the cheap way?

[hazy frost]

The 4090 and 5090 are just bad bc it’s terrible engineering and then pushing it close to the maximum it’s rated for lmao

It’s just double stupid

[sharp star]

tried to get 4090 performance and crashed and burned while doing so

[sly elk]

i'd still avoid it lol

like

[hazy frost]

I wouldn’t scare people off of it

There’s no reason to actually see it as an issue on anything besides the 5090 yet

[sly elk]

no i didn't mean for a 50 series

i meant i don't see the point in buying the nitro or the taichi if it means getting that connector

if all else, you have to worry about using an adapter or having a new enough psu

[hazy frost]

I just mean if ur looking at buying one and thats one u can get then sure buy it

[sly elk]

most of the 9070xts use 8 pin connectors

[hazy frost]

I think most of the ones using it cost too much anyway

To be worth it

[sly elk]

yea they did before the prices got goofy

to sapphire's credit, the nitro was 799 at launch and still is lol

ah sorry 849 now LOL

[hazy frost]

Absurd price from the beginning

They knew what they were doing

[sly elk]

fr

[sly elk]

sweet

but if you went with one of those 629 9070xts

would you be there thinking hmm i could have had a 5090

or would you just be happily waiting for a 5090 super/5090ti

[sly elk]

i feel your pain

i wonder if the 9070xt would be a better 4k card if it had 24gb vram

and i also wonder if it only has 16gb because they wanted to make a 9080xt

[tepid gulch]

We say only 16gb when Nvidia over here hasn't been putting more than 12 in high end stuff till 50 series

And even then 5080 and 5090 are the only ones with 16+

My 4070ti has 12

4070ti superand 4080 super only

4080 too

Never seen that card in 16gb

Wtf

What I'm saying is Nvidia has had 12gb on a lot of higher end cards for a while

Except like the later released ti.and supers

Their based cards are mid

659

Oh

Canadian rubles

As linus calls them

[brave oxide]

snow mexican pesos

finally someone copes more than jensen

[tepid gulch]

Damn

Must be all that free healthcare

I find it funny the #1 growing Businesses in the UK and Canada are private healthcare companies

[brave oxide]

the 3080 wasnt too far from that price either

before the shortage

[tepid gulch]

Free healthcare is a fever dream idea when humans exist as our greedy selves

[tepid gulch]

I got a 3080 in my 2nd PC

8gb

[sly elk]

i wonder what the power usage on a 5080 is...

360w max?

[brave oxide]

why do you feel like you messed up?

[sly elk]

what's a 5080 cost you again?

in the US, I think getting a 5080 for $1k usd is a good deal

and

do you think you'd be satisfied with a 5080?

out here the 5080s i'm seeing are $1500-ish which is a ripoff

would you be satisfied with a 9070xt? XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5KVwcihQds

the funny thing I gather that may be complete and utter bs

the 9070xt might offer you similar performance to your old 3090

a little better

but that kinda goes back to the point i've been saying to you lol ^^

it makes a good hold out card if you can't make up your mind and want a gpu

problem is... stock availability?

7900xtx performance is similar and sometimes a little better iirc

and if you can save a lot of money and get a 7900xtx today

maybe do that?

besides you can always be an ass

ahh ok

so it's more $$

quite a lot more $$ lol

the sweet spot for those in the US was about 6 months or a year ago

they were selling 7900xtx for like $800-900 here

paying >$1k for a 7900xtx seems silly

and the 9070xts are cheaper than that, right?

how much were the 5070ti again?

😐

so ultimately, a 5080 for $1k would be the best deal

followed by the 9070xt

x_X

so if you don't wanna wait you pay 1600cad for a 5080 or 1229cad for a 7900xtx

that's rough

but also

availability? you have to wait some time for the 9070xt, longer for a 5080

5070ti is in stock right now?

if it is, what are your options in cards?

assuming you want something right now 😄

because tbh if I wanted something now I wouldn't be upset about getting a 5070ti instead of a 9070xt

[sly elk]

"if you see a guy drive a Lambo, are you going to stop him and be like, I should have gotten a corolla instead?"

if you are insistent on getting the best video card then you need to buy that 5090 and not look back

the 5090 is no question the best video card by a lot

it'd be cool if you could cheaply rent a 5090 for like a month lol

let the novelty factor wear off, maybe test drive a 9070xt and decide if the $2000 difference is worth it lol

[tepid gulch]

Rent a gpu

™️

[median copper]

does PCIe speed even matter anymore for your average joes? I'm browsing the internet and checking that my laptop is capable of PCIe 5.0 ssd but even PCIe 4.0 is like already fast enough for loading games. not to mention PCIe 5.0 ssds are also like way more expensive than 4.0 ones.

[tepid gulch]

Most motherboards still don't use pcie 5 nvme slots

Except for gpu slot

If your mobo has a pcie 5 slot for ssds then like, would it be worth it? It really depends on the content you're doing

99.999% of the time your storage isn't your bottleneck

[sly elk]

the different pcie versions mean more bandwidth per lane (iirc)

so a pcie 5.0 gpu can be x8 and still offer better performance than a pcie4 x16 in theory

that gets annoying/messy if you try to use a 5.0 x8 on a 4.0 motherboard

[tepid gulch]

That is true it takes up less lanes

[sly elk]

because it'll still be x8

amd has done that in the past

[tepid gulch]

Theoretically gen 5 lets you use lanes more efficiently

[sly elk]

i',m, not sure if the 9070xt is an 8 lane or a 16 lane card lol

the fun thing is you can have an x8 card with an x16 connector

[tepid gulch]

But in practicality gen 5 ssds are like 15gb/s and gen 4 are 7gb/s

Saturating 7gb is hard

Is it twice as fast tho? Yes. Is it worth it? Rn no imo

[sly elk]

burst speeds i assume

[tepid gulch]

Yeah

Peak speed

[sly elk]

i heard that the difference is noticeable in certain scenarios like starting up huge games

is it worth it? probably not 😄

[tepid gulch]

I wouldn't doubt it

But like

It can be slower because of your cpu and gpu

[sly elk]

but then we get back to like the same thing earlier with icehunter right?

ahh yea that's also true lol

and actually this may even affect icehunter LOL

the case where the gpu performance vs ssd performance is an either or

[tepid gulch]

If you have a 3060 and you go from a pcie 4 ssd to a pcie 5

You won't notice

[sly elk]

yep!

this is especially bad with the x870e generation motherboards

where they take 4 pcie lanes for the usb4 interface

and leave you with 20

[tepid gulch]

I think i have 1 usb 4 port

[sly elk]

hehe

yea i'm using x670e so I don't have that issue

[tepid gulch]

Im also on x670e

[sly elk]

still the idea that you could burn up all your pcie between 1 gpu and 1 ssd is LAME

hurray for pch lanes

wouldn't it be nice if threadripper didn't cost like 4x more LOL

[tepid gulch]

I haven't looked up the lane layouts of my board

[sly elk]

x670e gives you 24

• pch

[tepid gulch]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-X670E-TOMAHAWK-WIFI

Im on this

It's been a great board

No issues

[median copper]

I think it's pretty crazy that 1080 ti is still faster than 4060 in raw performance

[sly elk]

yep 🙂 I have the carbon, pretty much the same motherboard

[tepid gulch]

Nice

[sly elk]

i think the only thing it added was the 7 segment screen and maybe some more usbs

[tepid gulch]

I chose this one over that for some reason

[sly elk]

and i really wanted the 7 segment screen lol

[tepid gulch]

I couldn't care less about that that kind of tbing tbh

[sly elk]

it has one less pcie

i think they may have swapped the x4 for a m.2 slot

[tepid gulch]

Oh right i have a 2nd slot

That i don't use

[hot shadow]

mfw i dont remember when international backup day was

o that was a while ago

[zinc sluice]

Holy fuck loos

Lois

My laptop js blue screened in middle of zoom call

Im buying the lenovo

Holy shit

[wraith agate]

Hey Lois, I'm blue screening

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-accident-fall-gif-11604591976827242360

[zinc sluice]

IT HAPPENED AGAIN

HELLO??????

[hazy frost]

The only thing that saturates PCIe 4 is the 4090 and up lmao

Everything else is the same on PCIe 3 x16

Idk when everyone got convinced they need PCIe 5

The extra lanes in general are nice on higher end boards but not PCIe 5 specifically

Look at that difference fr

[sharp star]

yeah there's no tangible difference between PCIe 4 and 5 unless you're running a 5 x8 card on earlier versions of PCIe

in that case good luck bucko

[hazy frost]

But gen 5 ssd for all those games that totally use over gen 3 speeds

I’ve not seen a game actually need over like 2000mb/s

There’s a point of diminishing or no returns in gaming for a lot of things but people still spend too much for the excess bc they have no idea

[sly elk]

i go with the fancier $350+ boards because they have a few things I tend to really want, like the 7 segment screen and YES actually, I check that sucker more often than you'd expect lmao

plus it says what temperature the cpu is at after post

so just glancing over at my computer i can see cpu temp (motherboard 7 seg display) and liquid temp (aio cooler screen)

be cool if the gpu reported its temp that way too >>

[sharp star]

Yeah unless you absolutely, definitely need the speeds for non-gaming stuff then there's no reason to get a Gen 5 NVMe SSD

[real edge]

gen 4 at most is what id recommend simply because the PS5 has one

so devs might optimize for it but who knows

[sharp star]

And now for a horror story

[hazy frost]

Unless ur doing huge amounts of work with 8K footage idk what ur even using >7000mb/s for

People will be like ‘I multitask’ and they’re using their 990 pro for excel

[sharp star]

Spoiler alert: it was for EVE Online

[hazy frost]

Lmao

It’s the fact people could stop buying pcie5 motherboards and get PCIe 3 or low end 4 drives for gaming and you’d be able to buy the next tier of gpu

[glossy ravine]

I cant believe it.

An actual good use for AI

https://youtube.com/shorts/CMCdO2SNDWQ

(An open source tool that will sift through crash dumps and tell you the reason why.)

[sharp star]

https://youtu.be/CJXp3UYj50Q conclusion: all hail Linux, our new overlords

[glossy ravine]

All praise lord Gaben who blesses us with handhelds, sales, and freedom from Macrohard 🙏

[severe stream]

Bloatware os causing performance issues

Shocker indeed

[hazy frost]

I will not be free until Linux stops messing up certain anticheat

SteamOS save us in 2045 or whenever it actually releases

[sharp star]

in one week (Valve Time)

[hazy frost]

2073

[sharp star]

Nah that's four years from now

[severe stream]

2077

[sharp star]

Two weeks

[zinc sluice]

https://prod.danawa.com/info/?pcode=27861758&keyword=레노버+legion+slim&cate=112758

im js gnna

buy this

[zinc sluice]

nvm

shits too expenxive

im just gonna hit the states then buy or something

idk

DUDE

THERES

A FUCKING BESTBUY NEXT TO MY DORM

GUESS WHAT

ITS 8 MINUTES BY CAR

ITS AN HOUR AND HALF BY WALK

WHAT THE FUCK

Slim 5 14APH8 512gb @ 1385.82 usd (1,899,000 krw)
v
ideapad Pro 5i 16IMH9 ULT9 4050 Plus 1tb @ 1363.20 usd (1,868,000 krw)
v
??? whatever is in the states

[potent arrow]

don't buy an ideapad please lol

[zinc sluice]

hi sarah!!!!!

why are you awake

[potent arrow]

hiii

sev 1 work

[zinc sluice]

gg.

[potent arrow]

somethin broke really bad at work lol

[zinc sluice]

dont die.

[potent arrow]

I'm in bed Yellin at work

lol

[zinc sluice]

u dont gotta go in??

[potent arrow]

nah lol

I support airports...so...

[zinc sluice]

wtf..

i love airports..

[zinc sluice]

y tho

[potent arrow]

Lenovo's lowest tier laptops

[zinc sluice]

erm..!

[potent arrow]

besides yoga

well

[zinc sluice]

erm...!!

[potent arrow]

some yoga's are better

buy the slim 5

[zinc sluice]

dude its expensive as FUCK though

klike

[potent arrow]

not ideapad

[zinc sluice]

what would be 1200$ in the states

is equivalent to 1800$ here

[potent arrow]

wha

[zinc sluice]

yea cus exch rate is fucked

[potent arrow]

also that ideapad literally has ewaste specs

[zinc sluice]

oh awesoem

[potent arrow]

yea

[potent arrow]

same here to a degree

our dollar is worthless

[zinc sluice]

are you in the states

[potent arrow]

fuck no

[zinc sluice]

oph

maple

Slim 5 14APH8 512gb @ 1385.82 usd (1,899,000 krw)

[potent arrow]

taps the leaf in name

[zinc sluice]

umm

oh!

isee.

yeah so

its basically 1900$

for me

[potent arrow]

yerp

[zinc sluice]

i love it

[potent arrow]

it's probably one of the better options rn

look it up, everyone likes it

good pick

ideapad

naur

set it on fire

[zinc sluice]

alternatively

i hit the states in the 19th

and my classes start on like 24th

so in between those days i could buy a laptop in the states

however

i looked for the closest bestbuy from my dorm and um

this is a vile ass country

[potent arrow]

ubah

or deliver to your dorm

first week of school is usually sylabus anyways

[zinc sluice]

im a senior sarah..

well

taht is true

but still

ults are gonna be out

id like to prog a little

:lainsmile:

[potent arrow]

aaaaaandd like

doesn't matter if you are a senior or not, I've always skipped the first week of school cuz it's always syllabus

[zinc sluice]

man

[potent arrow]

waaaasste of time zzzzz

[zinc sluice]

u got balls bruh

i havent missed a single class this sem..

[potent arrow]

I had a < 10% attendance rate

so uhhh

LOL

[zinc sluice]

.

how the fuck did you pass anything jesus

[potent arrow]

Idk

I have an eng degree now tho

[zinc sluice]

YOURE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT SAY YOU CAN JUST NOT GO TO CLASS WHEN YOU WANT

ENGINE

WHAT THE FUCK?

[potent arrow]

profs were mostly useless I just study and show up to exams

[sharp star]

Yeah I uh

[zinc sluice]

thats crazy

[sharp star]

I had an extremely hard time finding any sort of motivation but I also did alright

[potent arrow]

I got better things to do then sit in class

[sharp star]

Comes with being labeled a "gifted" kid

[zinc sluice]

oh dont worry me too!

i crashed out couple semesters ago

two profs decided to screw me over for not meeting their standards despite the label

[potent arrow]

fucking hate post secondary

waste of time because professors all suck

oi djura

did you see that laptop villy posted

that ideapad

I want to beat the engineer who made that thing to death

https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/IdeaPad/IdeaPad_Slim_5_16IMH9

god why

[sharp star]

Thanks I hate it

[potent arrow]

nice hardware but skimp out on a gpu and cpu

what's the point

OLED screen to watch things run in 15fps fr

[sharp star]

Also I was one of those bright but eternally bored kids at school

you know how that turned out

[lost python]

Our „new“ dell notebooks also only have an intel core ultra 5 135u and all the devs are constantly complaining about how slow it is.
Just our antivirus alone is almost entirely killing it

[potent arrow]

We have something similar and sentinel one uses so much resources that it BSODs

it's truly beautiful

work of art

[sharp star]

incredible

[lost python]

I hate it so much

[potent arrow]

.

These companies need to stop making ewaste