How long before companies get a pikachu face that nobody can afford shit anymore bc they squeezed every last penny out of people and hoarded it all in their mountains filled with gold
#technology-discussion
odd sand
dire viper
my car would have cost 85,000 dollars in todays world
but most cars that match it now are sub 40k
value per dollar for say, performance cars, has gotten better
I think the major issue is that people dont care enough about buying a car
they just buy something, run with it, then cry when it breaks or doesnt do what they wanted
consumer reports reflects that
I will say it how it is, Porsche and Lexus are both actually not THAT reliable
Porsche uses lots of tech that is incredibly expensive and complex that has issues and Lexus/Toyota arent as reliable as people champion
yet both always have incredibly high reliability scores. the common factor is money. both brands are up market and are usually bought by people who have a good amount of change on hand for stuff.
Nissan has bad reliability ratings not because of the CVT's, but for consumable related stuff. most of what you see is people complaining about costs associated with regular maintenance surrounding cheap econoboxes. most of these cars are actually reliable, its the buyers themselves that are not
dire viper
hasnt it been like that for a while?
wraith agate
I dunno
odd sand
Traditionally HD meant 1080p, but they wanted to cheap out on streaming so they called 720p HD bc it was DVD quality. Sorta.
golden stream
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rdna4-officially-presented-in-china-radeon-rx-90...
WAT DA FEK
bc I eye'ed the 9070 and 9070 xt prices here is ~1000USD cheapest
paper tusk
yeah really
paper tusk
odd sand
And when you try to meet the unreasonable KPI demands and the AI delivers garbage, you get fired for delivering bad code! yay!
sharp star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZfFPI8LJrc starts in 10 minutes
paper tusk
though if they do price the XT at 649$ vs the 5070ti at ~1000$ thats a huge win
if it is $650 usd I'll consider that good enough
lost python
why do all of these damn live streams or premieres always have a countdown for a countdown
hazy frost
if it is $650 usd I'll consider that good enough
What time are we living in where $350 less is only good enough for a card that is also probably faster in raster as well 😭
$650 for what’s expected is damn amazing with current options
paper tusk
probably tech burnout from nvidia fucking over the consumer market with its natural monopoly
sharp star
"What's up, gamers?"
hazy frost
9070xt imo is actually good just in general its gonna be top of the line performance from last gen for 60% of the price which is what should be happening
I also don’t mind the extra features when AMD aren’t using it to sell a crap product like Nvidia do
glad dove
lost python
hmm
paper tusk
hmm
glad dove
lost python
600USD, so probably... 800€ then
oh god, the smearing and artifacting in the showcase lmao
best amd launch driver in history? bold claims
lets see how many blackscreens we get this time 
according to them, the 9070xt is 2% slower than the 5070ti
lost python
i want to see a reference design because this example model looks pretty
glad dove
whether we'll actually see the amd at 600$ is another story
lost python
with taxes and some other regional bullshittery its gonna be 800+ for us germans 
he just called ratchet and clank a third person shooter
paper tusk
welp guess I'll be upgrading soon
hazy frost
It’ll probably be like £650 here
UK has similar prices to US but £ so it’s like $800 lol
But 20% vat is included ig depends on state
hazy frost
The ray tracing is honestly very impressive if true
Following the level of improvement last gen had
Pleasantly surprised by it if somewhat expected
hazy frost
People will still complain bc it’s not $500 probably
Sell my 4070ti buy one of these and have £300 extra
dull garnet
Unfortunately I don't believe manufacturer slides. Looking forward to reviews though
wide hill
i thought the right side was the 5070ti, but no its the 100% bar at the very left
buoyant wasp
Adios
dull garnet
Good
wraith agate
Skype is forever gone but never forgotten
dull garnet
Felt like an upgrade
glossy ravine
So. Opinion on the new amd cards?
lost python
seems decent
glossy ravine
Of course, we don't have benchmarks quite yet. (I don't ever fully trust slides like this bc it's always best case scenario and cherry picked.)
But i hope this card is good
dull garnet
if AMD leans into raster performance over AI crap I'm down
hazy frost
So. Opinion on the new amd cards?
Thank god they’re actually good
sly elk
i want the sapphire card ^^
hazy frost
Good raster as per usual, good price, allegedly should be good availability, the RT performance is also a pretty good leap
Nothing to complain about imo
sly elk
tbh i think the older nitros were prettier but the sapphire 9070xt nitro still looks good
hazy frost
Good options for people in North America especially
sly elk
can't decide if there's a better looking 9070xt
sly elk
the best part for me is the 9070xt won't cost much of an upgrade from my 3080ti ^_^
and i'll finally have a card with good linux support again :3
LOL acer also calls their 9070xt a nitro
gg
hazy frost
Funny that I could sell my Nvidia gpu make money and buy an upgrade in the 9070xt for raster even if the market was normal rn
lol
sly elk
admittedly the nitro is probably gonna cost a lot more than 599 >>
wait WTF
In any case, this card made news a fortnight ago for the possible integration of a 12V-2×6 as a power connector. Via the ChipHell forum, we’ve learned that the brand has indeed swapped the good old 8-pin PCIe for NVIDIA’s new connector.
NOOOOOOOO
dull garnet
The bitcoin edit lmao
hazy frost
> In any case, this card made news a fortnight ago for the possible integration ...
lol yeah the nitro uses that
They sell another one with regular cables
sly elk
that seems a really stupid decision lol
hazy frost
Plus side is it doesn’t use the kind of power the 5080/90 do
It also won’t necessarily be the same design as Nvidia used
dull garnet
Gonna be using a 12vhpwr cable soon, only for 200Wish though
hazy frost
Yeah but not necessarily the same internally
hazy frost
Also it’s 12v 2x6 which is the new one which should be fine for the power that thing will draw
It’s not the old 12vhpwr cable that would set anything on fire just by user error
hazy frost
I use a 12vhpwr one for my 4070ti at around 300w and it’s alright anyway
Been almost 2 years now?
dull garnet
That is good to know
paper tusk
So. Opinion on the new amd cards?
looks good. my money is on a powercolor reaper since 2 slot and good enough specs ™️
hazy frost
I’d just buy whatever is closest to MSRP they all look pretty good from what I’ve seen
sly elk
yea idk
dull garnet
For me it's what costs least 
hard drift
https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro-pictured-in-the-fle...
The only benefit it will have is its not an insane power hungry card so less likely to melt 
dire viper
https://youtu.be/WYp3wZA34Fw?si=i15Iwl_gtgUD51re @potent arrow
I like how the funny ah revolver with the bolt actually functions
sharp star
https://youtu.be/rlrmFRTXG5g?si=pcKKvP2cikRKEEJm
Holy shit it's That Gun in the hit game Fallout: New Vegas
dire viper
lmao
oh also BIG NEWS
NEW HATSUNE MIKU AMG
GOODSMILE Racing my beloved
the Z4 GT3 era was also cool
golden stream
https://youtu.be/WYp3wZA34Fw?si=i15Iwl_gtgUD51re <@829359022288797726>
I saw Adam Savage 
AND I SAW HATSUNE MIKU
Tho Racing Miku is big tho
dire viper
yea
one of the US Goodsmile racing guys lives here in Utah
US goodsmile racing is just privateers, they dont usually have miku livery
sometimes goodsmile sends over the Miku cars and races tho
dire viper
there WAS a goodsmile racing Porsche in the US that had miku
golden stream
Is this time Racing Miku artist is LAM?
Iirc Racing Miku is big in JP but not really in global hmmmm
dire viper
the thing I like about goodsmile is the website
they list everything they run on the car on the page
so you know its on Enkei wheels with Yokohama tires
its running a hewland sequential transmission
sly elk
Iirc Racing Miku is big in JP but not really in global hmmmm
yes she is popular in the US lol
one of the more popular miku things I see
dire viper
The issue is getting into US racing
sly elk
oh yea that I agree with
dire viper
Goodsmile is spending like 20-50 million a year on domestic racing in Japan
US racing would be more
wild wyvern
@real edge should i wait for rx 9070 or rtx 5060 or just get 4060
real edge
the rx 9070 might be too expensive for you
waiting for the rtx 5060 might be a good idea but ud have to wait for quite some time
wild wyvern
ugh
sharp star
Knowing the 5060 it will also catch fire
real edge
sure, if it will exist
real edge
you can wait for it
wild wyvern
Idk tbh
raw ibex
I really wouldn't get a 8GB card if you can avoid it
golden stream
I really wouldn't get a 8GB card if you can avoid it
8gb for mobile gpu is actually ok though
For internet cafe/school, 8gb is eh okey
Not rly for personal PC tho
And ESPECIALLY no for streamers 
But if you want really budget, only AMD but software compatible for AMD SUCCCCCCC
raw ibex
PC gaming needs AMD's new GPU's to do well
golden stream
it's getting better tho BUT STILL
raw ibex
golden stream
Like ngl 600USD for a yummy card, yup that's good I may be able to import it, hope so
Btw what's the price of 5070/Ti though, in USD?
Atm it's ~1300-1600USD here, 9700 xt is ~1200USD if the cheapest card
raw ibex
The RX 9070 XT has a MSRP of 599 USD
Good luck getting a 5070ti anywhere near that price
golden stream
Ik that price, though iirc CN only?
raw ibex
No, that's from their official announcement yesterday
hazy frost
I really wouldn't get a 8GB card if you can avoid it
I really don’t understand why people are still saying this
Do u think you’ll be able to play on high enough settings to use more than 8GB on the low end cards
Because the fact is u won’t
The only segment where vram is questionable is 12GB 1440p ultra ones
golden stream
Do u think you’ll be able to play on high enough settings to use more than 8GB o...
School that only need a GPU to render, display can be damned
Also internet cafe
And heck even 4gb and 6gb is good enough for those tasks as far as you don't play in max and stream at the same time
hazy frost
There’s like 1 game maybe where 8GB cards might struggle and you’re getting 60fps max if ur lucky on those settings
There is not going to be a 12+gb budget card bc it doesn’t make any sense
golden stream
Though the resell value of AMD card is way lower than nvidia, and render engines are still thirsty for cuda
hazy frost
Rocm support is getting better for any hobbyists
For professionals it’s not worth it still
But it’s a lot more usable if it’s not ur source of income than it has been in the past
hazy frost
I’m not sure how good the 9060 will be but based on what they’ve announced already it should be more reasonable than last gen
I hope they learned from the 7600xt as well
golden stream
I kid u not, 7600xt price in my place is pretty ouch
Then again, weird ass SEA price for some reason
hazy frost
7600xt MSRP is awful
They’re semi ok in price sometimes now but still rough
It somehow made the 4060 look ok
The 4060 is like $40-50 cheaper half the time and all the xt has is vram u don’t need
hazy frost
Buy used and get one of the higher end cards then u might as well
raw ibex
The higher your resolution and the higher quality the textures, the more VRAM you need. 8GB VRAM GPU's are already in hot water because of that
hazy frost
No they’re not..?
Because u can’t actually play at a high resolution with decent settings without tanking ur fps on 8GB cards
All the 8GB cards are only actually good for 1080p in which u are going to struggle to reach 8GB in general
If the 9070 was 8GB yes it would be bad
The fact the 4060 is 8GB on the other hand makes no difference to if it was 12 for its main use
brave oxide
yeah the 60 is now the entry-level GPU tier, 8GB seems fine for entry level 1080p gaming
raw ibex
xx60 has always been the entry-level
xx50 budget, xx60 entry, xx70 mid-tier, xx80 high-tier
xx90 is basically "waste your money"-tier
speaking as someone who owns a 4090
hazy frost
xx90 is what Titan cards were
So not actually for gamers realistically
But it’s marketed to gamers bc it makes them more money
brave oxide
well we just have a different definition of budget and entry lol, if you asked me during the previous generations I would have said the 50 was entry and 60 budget
entry to me is the first step
but point being that now they are one and the same anyways
hazy frost
Entry options are basically whatever’s cheap from last gen or used tbh
There’s never been a good entry level option new
brave oxide
well, kind of, I will simp for the 750 Ti and 1050 Ti
hazy frost
Maybe back with like the 1650 it was decent
brave oxide
1650 too
brave oxide
I forgot if the 1650 needed external power, but the 750 and 1050 didn't
brave oxide
so back then they were basically perfect for anyone with an older PSU or just non gaming rig
hazy frost
I think it’s on the limit of what the PCIe slot can provide
All of the cards releasing now except the 5070 maybe have enough vram tbh
16gb for high end 1440p cards and 8GB on the lower end budget 1080p ones, 12GB for the mid range 1440p ones is looking ok imo
paper tusk
pcie slot spec is 75 watts
golden stream
Buy used and get one of the higher end cards then u might as well
Used are all entry card here aaaaaaaaa
Or 8gb vram slightly higher
brave oxide
yeah it's sort of the same here, if you don't live in a country where people constantly replace their GPUs the used market is just very very ancient low tier stuff
my previous GPU was used 1070 and I had to buy it off ebay from the US
golden stream
All the 8GB cards are only actually good for 1080p in which u are going to strug...
- streaming as well
Some games since CP2077 and the monke game require quite hefty amout of vram in 1440p ultra
And that may or may not include streaming, and possibly multistream
hazy frost
Some games since CP2077 and the monke game require quite hefty amout of vram in ...
Yeah cyberpunk is the only game I’ve played at 1440p that allocates over 10GB
With path tracing on it was like
10.5-11
The only problem is frame gen will eat vram if people are using that as a crutch to play at high frames but u shouldn’t be doing that on a new card anyway
brave oxide
they shouldn't be playing 1440p on entry level either
wraith agate
every day is car day in this channel
golden stream
no bike day?
dire viper
every day is car day in this channel
Physical car day
914/6GT, 911 Carrera 2.7 RS, F40 LM, Dodge Viper with a supercharger
wraith agate
super charge deez nuts
dire viper
Yes
The viper is funny
Cause it makes 800 at the wheels
It literally cannot get traction at anything more than half throttle until 3rd gear
So it does a burn out to 100mph
dire viper
@potent arrow
The 911 needs 2 quarts of oil lmao
Shit burns
Below freezing we driving the M3 with the top down
I forgot my gloves
dire viper
sharp star
hazy frost
I haven’t updated my drivers in months..
brave oxide
I do it if I'm about to play a new game, since they tend to include some game specific fixes
ff16 ran slightly less shit with its proper driver
sly elk
i am thinking about selling my 3080ti and getting a 9070xt
sly elk
https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-jensen-huang-safe-to-upgrade-gif-26481071
would've been better if he winked
hazy frost
i am thinking about selling my 3080ti and getting a 9070xt
big upgrade in everything tbf its worth it
should be better RT, better raster, more vram
dire viper
https://youtu.be/FieeSzmoJgg?si=Pu3g63NbE3NBNa6l @potent arrow V10 swap the world
golden stream
Holy s praise AMD for revealing price 
Vendor in my place redux 9000 cards price from >1000$ to under
actually ~800-900$ for actual price, which is fine, given tax and whatnot
Now I have a dilemma: ASRock or Sapphire?
And I have plan to vtubing, is it ok for vtube?
earnest sedge
Hmm nvidia driver apparently causes lot of issues
Wanted to update cause of mhwilds but i'll wait i guess
paper tusk
I can believe it. there's a hotfix driver today for black screens on 5000 series but it's kinda jank tier in general
sly elk
Now I have a dilemma: ASRock or Sapphire?
the sapphire nitro is using a 12v 6x2 connector (aka the 'fixed' 12vhpwr connector)
word on the street is to wait and see whether there's load balancing on the power pins, or not
golden stream
Price here is a bit ouch BUT still under 1000USD tho
ASRock is 860USD, Sapphire is 980USD lol
golden stream
the sapphire nitro is using a 12v 6x2 connector (aka the 'fixed' 12vhpwr connect...
The Pure still has the standard 2x8 though, only the Nitro has the 'hidden' fixed 12v 6x2
sharp star
sly elk
ASRock is 860USD, Sapphire is 980USD lol
wait what?!
golden stream
Local price
golden stream
Prolly not
But the yuan price may include local tax
But ngl
THAT PRICE IS SO DAMN GOOD
wild wyvern
@golden stream should i wait for rtx 5060 or RX 9060
muted spoke
lunar landing attempt happening now. 4 min to go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChEuA1AUJAY
golden stream
<@421337156821188608> should i wait for rtx 5060 or RX 9060
Just wait anyway
Scalper gonna scalp, better wait
hazy frost
Price here is a bit ouch BUT still under 1000USD tho
lol just get the asrock one then
Easy choice there
$120 usd extra for nothing valuable
Asrock has all 3 of their models retailing at msrp or as close to it as possible
In the US that’s $600
brave oxide
<@421337156821188608> should i wait for rtx 5060 or RX 9060
If yer gonna do that, keep an eye on the 40 and 30 markets as well just in case, I don't expect them to correct the issue of the xx60 being too underpowered for its price
golden stream
lol just get the asrock one then
Aye aye
Funni is ASRock has 2 flavors of 9070 and 9070xt
9070 has Challenger (cheapest) and Steel Legend
9070xt has Steel Legend and Taichi (more expensib)
Still, Gigabyte price holding is ~900$ for 9070, ~1400 for 9070xt, no price for Asus
golden stream
Ye ik, I just see funni prices
Sapphire is only a wee bit more expensive, not that bad, only +100$ max
lost python
wraith agate
why is there a fire extinguisher
lost python
wdym why. its an important accessory for nvidia cards
celest violet
am I dumb or is super resolution buggy in monster hunter wilds?
I have FSR 3 enabled in the graphics settings, but when I go to the radeon overlay it says its enabled but inactive
dire viper
idk if its a sad day
sly elk
sad because they're still selling the same Z car they did when the gt-r came out
sly elk
sooo which chinese company is gonna buy nissan? XD
or maybe it'll be an indian company 😮
mahrinda or tata?
dire viper
you need a 40,000 dollar aftermarket kit to make the 400Z a top dog sports car
sly elk
tata buying nissan kinda feels about right
dire viper
so you have to push it to 100k to make it top notch
sly elk
get that tata sentra lol
dire viper
tata buying nissan kinda feels about right
it would get good lmao
Jaguar got good post Tata
which is amusing
sly elk
there's like a constant ongoing 'who would buy chrysler if stellantis sold them' thread on allpar
and people always think geely
dire viper
Jaguar got the treatment any failing company needs, make things exciting, not what makes sense
sly elk
i think mahrinda would, if jeep were included
sly elk
they just make that one van
sly elk
i mean
dire viper
but so are all minivans
no mid engine supercharged minivans anymore 😔
Toyota took that away from us
sly elk
minivans excel at carrying people and things
sly elk
really my only hangup with them is the fwd transaxle tends to not be very robust
dire viper
whar
sly elk
and i think chrysler trying to half ass their hybrid drivetrains ruined them for a lot of people
dire viper
transaxles are the go to now
dire viper
and have been
sly elk
they do not use cvts
sly elk
yep
sly elk
i think it's because you combine 300hp with a very heavy vehicle
dire viper
steel belt CVT's have a much higher tolerance for no maintenance but failures are catastrophic
sly elk
and minivans are way more likely to get overloaded
also sometimes the car manufacturers really skimp out on payload capacity
dire viper
just changing the transmission fluid every other oil change
thats it
Minivans tend to not be that crazy for weight
sly elk
hmm here we go
dire viper
the heaviest Odyssey weighs as much as a 5 series
sly elk
the pacifica has a gvwr of 6055lbs and a curb weight of 4521lbs
sly elk
7 200lb people is going to leave you barely any weight for luggage
dire viper
then you need an actual van
sly elk
and my guess is a minivan's worth of people is going to have at least 1 or 2 people who weigh over 300lbs
dire viper
minivans have never been the super full type
sly elk
I have never seen a full size van being used as a private passenger van
airport shuttles, after school shuttles, karate class vans
dire viper
I have
sly elk
well yea, you live in utah
dire viper
Metris
sly elk
i imagine that's like the 2nd most common family vehicle in utah /s 😉
dire viper
well yea, you live in utah
not counting what we consider an actual full size van
the Metris is a weird inbetween
dire viper
Metris is a commercial vehicle turned into a buyable commuter
rather than commuter into commercial
sly elk
that
dire viper
which is why its weird
sly elk
i feel like that's drinking a LOT of german car fanboy koolaid
dire viper
no
sly elk
idk I've never heard a good thing about the metris lol
dire viper
cause nobody buys them
😭
its funny tho
im fairly certain the Metris is larger than the Transit Connect or the Dodge ProMaster City
dire viper
thats kinda what I mean
sly elk
idk if we have a size class name for them
dire viper
its... odd
sly elk
but i'd call the transit connect and promaster city 'microvans'
dire viper
apparently they sell ok in Europe
but also its one of the few options
UK its a battle of Sprinters and Transits
sly elk
the thing that blows my mind
dire viper
cause Sprinters and Transits both have cab only roller options so companies can fit them specially
sly elk
is that the transit connect was launched, seemed to sell like hotcakes among a certain crowd
and then was unceremoniously axed and nobody seemed to care
sly elk
UK its a battle of Sprinters and Transits
i'd say the same in the US, but then we have the chevy express
dire viper
Express is on an existing truck frame
sly elk
and of course the ram promaster
dire viper
its a 2500 isnt it?
sly elk
which I assume businesses who hate their drivers buy
dire viper
the reason the transit is around is cause the transit is just on whatever the 250/350 is of the time
dire viper
also its load floor isnt that low
sly elk
yea i see that
dire viper
considering I be driving a few of them occasionally
sly elk
LOL
what is this
there's an amazon delivery contractor that uses promasters out here
sly elk
i think it's funny because some of them don't even have yellow cleraance lights lmao
i don't know
dire viper
I think Rapid is like Mexico only
sly elk
probably
dire viper
cause the Transit can come in 4x4 factory
which wasnt a thing for a long time
there are whole companies whos entire business was converting Transits to 4x4
dire viper
cause the Transit was the go to for the van lifers because it was a lot cheaper than equivalent Sprinters
sly elk
i assume they introduced 4x4 when they killed the e series van
dire viper
so if u see anybody talking about doing van life cause of economy, just look at how much a built sprinter costs...
that shit is over 200k...
Winnebago Transit is 300k
oh the Winnebago one is cheaper now!
sly elk
I can't find any evidence that gm still makes a 4wd express van
sly elk
from 2003-2014 they sold awd
dire viper
why even buy something like this when an old Motorhome is sub 100k for a nice ass one
even smaller ones would be way more value than a fucking Transit floor plan
dire viper
from 2003-2014 they sold awd
I figured cause I see Express vans overlanding
sly elk
there are companies that do conversions
tbh some of these lol
i don't recall ever seeing one of these
and I have seen a lwb vanagon before
dire viper
Westfalia!
believe those ones specifically would be import only
we have two in salt lake
both owned by Integrated Engineering, the VW/Audi tuning company
they make crazy parts, my old shop foreman just bought an anti lag kit for his Audi S4 from them
oh huh
they sold them in the US
just not after 2003
apparently a lot of them are grey market because troops in germany would order them for Tourist delivery in germany, and then VW would ship them back to the US for free
Tourist Delivery is like the Porsche/BMW Germany delivery where you pick up the car there and they take you around places with the car and then pack it up and send it over seas
sly elk
also perhaps the vanagon i saw wasn't factory lmao
someone in town has a vanagon with 2 middle sections
i've never stopped to get a good look at it
but it looks like that except no camper shell
that camper shell is hilarious
it looks like a volkswagen golf
dire viper
kyanche
Porsche powered T2 Van
factory, only 10 made
3.2 liter carrera engine
also the Claer CT3, but Claer was not OEM
apparently the B32's, thats what the Porsche built ones are called, go for half a million
they were built on the highest trim Type 2 Van
@sly elk also in other strange news, Carvana didn’t go bankrupt but also they’ve purchased a MOPAR franchise license
Which sounds odd 
dire viper
Imagine buying a jeep and it being delivered to your front door
sly elk
that was kinda how it worked when i bought the 300 but that was from a dealer that was cool with it lol
having carvana delivery would be way nicer
in my case they had a car shipper dude they recommended and his price was good, but they made me call him myself
that was fantastically sketchy 😄
no paperwork or payment at all until the truck driver delivered the car
but also atm what would I even buy from them
dire viper
car transporters are a bit wonky
sly elk
they don't have charger sedans yet, they're not making 300s anymore, and while I like the wrangler I'm not entirely sold on the grand cherokee and their other suvs are not my speed at all
yea it was still a neat experience
dire viper
either contract up front or payment upfront
sly elk
the dude took like EIGHTY pictures of my car when he picked it up
dire viper
yea lmao
sly elk
and preferred cash payment lol
dire viper
ok thats a bit sketchy
no taxes 💀
did you see the Lamborghini Diablo that fell off the second leve lift of that one transporter a few months ago
that transporter had transporter insurance thankfully but most of them dont, which is why they do all these leaps to avoid a digital or physical paper trail
cause the insurance is incredibly expensive, but if you do exotics that shouldnt be such a big deal...
sly walrus
is onedrive supposed to take a fuckin year to log in
like, you gave me a terabyte of storage, don’t shit yourself just because i uploaded 20 gigs
sly elk
icloud does that too -_-
sly elk
icloud is the worst when you're like "hey I made a lot of changes, push them NOW"
apple doesn't give you a way anymore to force sync
onedrive makes it easy to pull but not to push
i think dropbox was better at that sort of thing but dropbox also cost more
a lot more geez
sharp star
5070 reviews tomorrow
I’m excited for Nvidia to get dunked on again
9070 XT review embargo is the day after which may either be a light in the darkness or will take a huge, steaming dump on our hopes and dreams
golden stream
5070 reviews tomorrow
Can't wait for the result
sharp star
https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/gender-diversity/article/3300193/chinese-man-hospitalised-after-3-hour-childbirth-simulation-lovers-request-sues incredible things happening in China
pine thistle
i think dropbox was better at that sort of thing but dropbox also cost more
they also try to upsell you every fucking time you log in
I hate it, but idk if I wanna deal with OneDrive instead
sharp star
I'm only using iCloud because I'm a mooch and my mom has a sub
pine thistle
my account is at 700GB/2TB used and they somehow think I'd be interested in 15TB
luckily I don't use the website enough for it to actually bother me majorly, but it's annoying whenever I do have to use it
sharp star
odd sand
IT Jesus out to "save us" again huh?
dire viper
The beef between LTT and GN is cringe (cause it’s literally just Steve and Linus for the most part) but when it’s not them talking they both do good work
sharp star
Yeah they’re fine when they’re not hatefucking imo
dire viper
People trying to trade in price bubble cars they paid way over sticker for now finding out it’s harder than ever to sell cars so dealers won’t take their cars as trade in
brave oxide
The beef between LTT and GN is cringe (cause it’s literally just Steve and Linus...
Did that beef keep going after LMG went back to normal operations?
raw ibex
Yeah the Steve stuff started out of nowhere with him suddenly attacking Linus
dire viper
Well
Not out of nowhere
During the LTT labs initial launch, one of the benchmark guys made a joke about having actually real benchmarks and data which, at the time, LTT benchmarks were all fucking over the place with some benchmarks that were so bad they didn’t make sense mathematically
dire viper
And the only other big YouTube channel (and I mean big, lots of good smaller bench mark channels) was GN
Yea it’s older drama
But it’s where it really blew up
I just think it’s funny cause right before the whole big start of this all, LTT put out a benchmark for an air cooler that was impossible
It was the Noctua cooler I think?
Out performing lots of coolers it definitely could not
glad dove
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-latest-driver-update-is-apparently-unable-to-resolve-black-screen-issues-for-many-users/ rip nvidia made things worse with the new drivers and are now crashing users trying to do fake frames
lost python
you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the AMD
dull garnet
lol
glad dove
because this has to be repeated since it's just 
sharp star
"It's okay, Intel, you go when you feel like it"
dire viper
I mean at least Intel has a blank slate
And they actually are good at designing shit, RIP fab cross contamination
glad dove
one of the intel electricial engineers had a great writeup of nvidia's power melting situation, so i think they have good ppl working for them too
brave oxide
idk if I'd call intel a blank slate since they have been on the integrated graphics market since forever, and they never did too hot there
just keeping it barely above passable
glad dove
arent some of their discrete cards decent for low-end builds?
brave oxide
they have good raster performance, just not so good drivers
glad dove
ahh
paper tusk
it's ok for a choice in the budget card space. the known issues section (in intel's arc gpu drivers) feels like it's not changed since arc add on cards have existed
sly elk
they have good raster performance, just not so good drivers
i feel like all the talk about intel/amd drivers is overblown considering nvidia... this isn't even new. every now and then nvidia screws up their drivers royally
brave oxide
well I see this in a "percentage of people affected by issues" way, no GPU has perfect bug free drivers, but generally Nvidia drivers tend to be more stable
AMD drivers are rocky during a new gen launch but stabilize over time
and Intel never gave a crap about their HD drivers so now they have to begin caring for Arc
sly elk
well I see this in a "percentage of people affected by issues" way, no GPU has p...
I still contest this
my experience with my 3080ti has been awful
both in linux and in windows
brave oxide
I fully believe you, but also I don't believe that many people are affected (on Windows)
sly elk
that said, I guess I can't entirely blame it on drivers because the behavior is a little bit on the consistent side here
in short my gpu and my monitor don't get along well
sly elk
doesn't matter if I'm using hdmi or displayport
brave oxide
and Nvidia is nonexistent
sly elk
if the screen goes to sleep, on linux I have to power cycle it, on windows even if I power cycle it I have to wait like 30 seconds for the screen to 'wake' and then 'sleep' and then it'll wake itself again
but windows has way more issues with the screen just going black randomly
never had all those issues with any of my other computers on that screen
brave oxide
that's honestly pretty weird
cold yacht
sly elk
idk even before the 3080ti I had a 3070, a 1070ti, and a 1070 (and with different monitors) and those all had some kinda stupid issue or another
tbh the asus 1070 was the worst lol
sly elk
at least once a week i'd be playing a game and the drivers would just crash out and kill the game and dump me back at the desktop
the 1070ti was a zotac and somehow worked with no issues ever, but the fans didn't go to 0% ever even though it advertised they could, and something about the video output never looked right
it always looked kinda weird
the 3070 was a gigabyte, iirc i got stuck with a bad nvidia drivers on it at some point and had to downgrade, and then it was fine
the 3080ti was made by evga, so I assume some of the issues are just that it was made by evga
brave oxide
I didn't do as many jumps but I went 750 Ti for some years -> (used) zotac 1070 that lasted me 6 years, idk how old it was before I bought it but physically it looked like it had some mileage lol -> now 4070 Ti, never ever had driver issues or crashes
sly elk
Linux is a whole different can of worms tbh <:haha:240841245239410688>
yea nvidia support for linux sucks
it's bad enough on fedora that I gave up using it for the moment
brave oxide
the 1070 is still alive too, just gotta replace one fan
sly elk
because every single time I got an update i had to fuck with the driver
when the 9070xt goes on sale I might buy one and dump this on ebay
brave oxide
the 3080ti was made by evga, so I assume some of the issues are just that it was...
no EVGA slander here, I'll die on the hill that they were the best brand and Nvidia is worse for losing them
friend bought an EVGA 3080 at launch, and still now years later they are honoring the RMA over him thinking the card is a little bit noisier
which is just him being nitpicky
brave oxide
they had the absoutely best support
you should try contacting them and see if they allow RMA
they still have a few 3080s left for RMA purposes
potent arrow
the worst thing about them dying is that they warned us of all of this shit
and now we don't have a fill for them
glad dove
@kind rune check out that video above, i laughed so hard i cried
odd sand
Hahaha.... sigh technology.
We've had this powershell issue dogging us at work for like an entire year and did a ton of troubleshooting and couldn't figure it out.
There was one script that always worked, and one script that only worked every once in a blue moon.
We previously had issues with Splunk's "secure" linting not letting a script run because I used the alias "where" instead of the true command name "Where-Object"
Well I noticed the one script that always worked didn't use Select-Object, it just used the full output from the cmdlet.
So today I decided to try removing the Select-Object pipe from the spotty script and... works every time now.
shadow oracle
sly elk
it's frustrating af they can't just do smog checks the old fashioned way with the tailpipe sniffer lol
odd sand
I think it's trolling me now
Is your car old enough it needs the EGR valve replaced already?
sly elk
no no it's a new car lol
that's the thing, when you buy a car out of state it has to have a smog check to qualify for registration
but the smog check relies on the car's computer saying stuff checks out
but it.. takes some amount of time before it tests everything lol
odd sand
Darn you, California Emissions! /s
sly elk
sadly yes!
odd sand
I kinda cheated on that by continuing to renew my WI plates
sly elk
yea the state i bought my car from doesn't believe in temp plates just a small piece of paper in the back window
which I think is hilarious because california was that way until recently
odd sand
I'm sure my car would have passed since I kept it in good repair and it wasn't that old, but I didn't want to bother with it when I was only going to be around 2-3 years. And at the end of the day I got CA plates when I bought the Stinger anyways.
sly elk
so it was a bit of a joke that people here would just never get plates
the ole' altima with the faded dealer ad plates lmao
odd sand
My roommate and I had a running joke about ppl driving cars with the older plates bc it usually meant they were bad drivers
So whenever we saw someone driving like an idiot we'd look to see if the plate started with a 4 or 5 and be like "Fucking Fours..."
sly elk
lol
odd sand
(It only became a running joke because something like 80% of the people whose driving was so bad it made us notice... did have 4/5 plates lol)
sharp star
l m a o
sharp star
5070 reviews going live in <t:1741096802:R>
golden stream
5070 reviews going live in <t:1741096802:R>
Y E S
potent arrow
who's waiting to see if it shits itself
sharp star
I am! I am!
potent arrow
it's probably gonna shit itself
sharp star
It's gonna shit out an AI-upscaled brick
potent arrow
this is the worst gen in my career
sharp star
loooool yeah
golden stream
Tfw the 1000 ones and 3000 are actually nice
The 3000 was neat tho, plenty of stock
golden stream
2000 was gimmick, same to 4000
sharp star
30 series would've been amazing... if not for the three years of plague
potent arrow
10 series had some legendary cards 1070/1080/1080ti
30 series had the 3060ti and 3080
40 series had 4090 and 4080
sharp star
also crypto bros
golden stream
Ew crypto bros
potent arrow
20 series had nothing of note it was just....there
golden stream
Like the only thing I could think abt crypto is possibly using it to pay for VPN sub
golden stream
20 series had nothing of note it was just....there
Raytrace, but it was weird
potent arrow
1080ti and 3060ti will probably haunt me till I die
lost python
10 series had some legendary cards 1070/1080/1080ti
30 series had the 3060ti and...
i wouldnt count the 3080, given that it is and was held back by its limited vram
potent arrow
i wouldnt count the 3080, given that it is and was held back by its limited vram
not sure the exact reason why, but they were the best for price in Canada at the time
so I sold like... a fuck load
lost python
damn
lost python
my 980 lasted me just as long as my 1080ti 
golden stream
3060ti tho
Really goat for entry-ish card
brave oxide
10 series had some legendary cards 1070/1080/1080ti
30 series had the 3060ti and...
(just let's ignore the unlaunched 4080)
that was the wildest launch -> unlaunch period
potent arrow
yeahhhhh
yeah...
or the fact that the 4080 super is basically a cheaper 4080....?
brave oxide
I think the supers are what solidified the 40 series, and how they should have launched IMO
potent arrow
If there's one person I can kill
it's the guy who added super cards
everything just feels skewed now
didn't we also just get another suffix
rtx 5090E
or something
sharp star
5090D
glossy ravine
5090Downgrade 
hazy frost
i wouldnt count the 3080, given that it is and was held back by its limited vram
The 12GB one isn’t held back
The 10GB one was
They almost released the 12GB 4080 as well lol
hazy frost
5090Downgrade <:KEKW:1287466568145440801>
China getting the worse options for once
lost python
the 12gb one is the 3080ti
hazy frost
They had the 4090D too
lost python
oh wait they actually released a 12gb normal 3080? wow nvidia
hazy frost
the 12gb one is the 3080ti
No there’s a 12GB 3080
lost python
not like 12gb are enough either anyway+
hazy frost
12 is enough for that gpu tho
Ur not gonna be able to run games well enough to need more
The limitation is how fast the 3080 actually is before vram limitations outside of AI
golden stream
I think the supers are what solidified the 40 series, and how they should have l...
Tho the 4000 also had the refreshed 1000 ala 1600 (like 1650 1660)
hazy frost
1600 was cool
golden stream
1600 was cool
I won a lottery ticket w the 1660 OC, undervolted and hella fast
hazy frost
I have many gripes about the 4070ti but how stable 40 series cards are with OC is pretty impressive still
I’ve got +300 core and +1600 memory working atm lol
Free 30% extra ray tracing performance
sharp star
brave oxide
as a 1080p enjoyer I don't even have to bother with OC or undervolt
golden stream
SFF needs undervolt tho
graceful sparrow
We know the specs of the AMD 9070 yes?
golden stream
Yes
graceful sparrow
Should I plan a build right now?
golden stream
This is my plan
HKD or TWD?
graceful sparrow
HK
graceful sparrow
Not yet from what I can tell
golden stream
Except the GPU the rest are good
Bc gotta wait tmr review
And 600USD (I forget how much in RMD) for 9070 is NUTZ
golden stream
HOLY-
sharp star
econony...
golden stream
That GPU of yours is quite decent for the price
FOR NOW
Can wait for review tmr and see if the price may drop deeper or nawn lol
golden stream
Well defo ye
Ayy LTT review has self host AI benchmark and some productivity benchmark
The selfhost LLM AI is decent, Davinci Resolve is neat
but not that better than 4070ti lmao
hazy frost
*but not that better than 4070ti lmao*
The difference between 4070ti/s in certain things with the 5070 is crazy
golden stream
it's literally the same
hazy frost
Like yeah slower in gaming sure whatever but laughable how little it improves anywhere else
It uses like
30w less I guess?
golden stream
Eh ye prob?
golden stream
That's bad
hazy frost
I mean margin of error but COME ON
It shouldn’t even be close like that
The 5090 is the only thing that actually offers big improvements over last gen and it costs u half ur organs
golden stream
The Ti maybe worth itTM
hazy frost
The Ti *maybe* worth itTM
Ehh depends what happens to the 4070ti super
And the 9070xt is just so much better in value unless it somehow loses like 30% of its performance tmrw vs leaked figures
golden stream
Gotta wait for tmr review
hazy frost
AMDs claimed figures match what was leaked anyway
golden stream
Ngl I'm hype for the 9070
hazy frost
So it’s pretty solid but tmrw will be the proof
Slightly slower RT than 5070ti maybe but for $150 less I wouldn’t care at all
Ignoring the fact it’s more like $300 less bc of 50 series stock
golden stream
Slightly slower RT than 5070ti maybe but for $150 less I wouldn’t care at all
I kid u not it ain't $150 here
It's like a whole $300 diff in SEA
hazy frost
It’s 300 everywhere rn
hazy frost
5070ti is like £1000 here at least if u can get one and 9070xt will come out at £600
It’s always just US msrp straight into our currency lol
hazy frost
Part of me is happy my gpu is clearly gonna last another year minimum
Another part is depressed by the state of the options everyone has
golden stream
Actually some RX 7000 cards are p cheapo in my place, let see if 9070 has some good perf increase
golden stream
Another part is depressed by the state of the options everyone has
Do u want a GPU with 3 SATA port
hazy frost
9070xt will probably be slower in raster than the xtx on release by a bit but faster in RT and then end up equal or even faster with drivers as per usual
golden stream
still linux wet dream lol
hazy frost
Nvidia and Linux aren’t allowed to go together anymore
sharp star
golden stream
DEM
sharp star
hazy frost
lol
golden stream
Seems 5070 got The Burn (Savage) treatment
golden stream
I mean
golden stream
I found except the AI fad, 4000 is better
AND EVEN WITH AI FAD, 4000 IS STILL BETTER
hazy frost
Yup
golden stream
SOMEHOW
hazy frost
40 series wasn’t that bad but AMD didn’t have anything as competitive as what the 9000 cards should be
golden stream
The 7000 was ok but prob a bit too late to the game?
I'm not that well verse on AMD if GPU tho
hazy frost
7000 launch prices almost all sucked
golden stream
Unless OEM
golden stream
And AMD has stock of last gen
Not just has stock but a lot
That's why I'm looking at 9000 if the perf is good
Bc that price is already looking good compared to 5000
hazy frost
If they release the 32gb card id buy that
I’m not out of vram on 12GB but if I’m gonna buy a new one it’s not gonna be just to go to 16gb
golden stream
Oh DEFO
Since I also do some self host AI, more vram = yes yes YES Y E S
and Ollama on linux is neat btw
hazy frost
I don’t need more than 12 I’d like to upgrade for more performance but the options are still only 16gb ones so it’s like
Eh
It’s fine but if I’m gonna spend more money it feels stupid
wild wyvern
@golden stream am4 or am5
golden stream
<@421337156821188608> am4 or am5
Budget?
wild wyvern
The cheapest am5 I can get is an R5 7500F
hazy frost
<@421337156821188608> am4 or am5
I swear you’ve been recommended stuff like 10 times by everyone
golden stream
Bc my rig is AM4 and I ain't upgrade to AM5
hazy frost
You’ve got all the information you need before u just need to decide what u actually want to spend
hazy frost
Just work out what ur happy spending realistically then choose
golden stream
<@421337156821188608> 3k myr
Ngl
I'm alr happy w my current DDR4 setup (both PC and laptop), DDR5 atm with current set is a bit dumdum
hazy frost
https://youtu.be/Cq3hCt4jJQ4
Nah this video sucks I watched it when it came out
They couldve done a way more comparable build new but they just didn’t bc they chose bad parts
Idk why
Maybe to exaggerate how good old parts value is for the sake of the video concept
golden stream
It sucks ngl but still, SEA price sucks
At least for older DDR4 it has sale/clearance so it's more affordable-ish
hazy frost
They chose overly expensive new parts for.. no reason
Like why are they using a 9600x that’s like atl $50 u could save getting a 7600 right there alone
golden stream
Well ngl that
hazy frost
They could’ve used that money to get ram that didn’t suck
Which would’ve removed that point from the comparison
And the old pc has a b550 but the new one they buy an x870???
Like
Clearly rigged video and bad advice imo
These kind of things is why I’m not a fan of LTT recently
sharp star
Linus's tech tip
hazy frost
They’ve gone too far to try and cater to video ideas and embellish the reality for entertainment that it’s bad advice for people who are trying to learn
Problem being the alternative is GN who makes videos worse than watching paint dry
golden stream
Clearly rigged video and bad advice imo
Likely they just grab whatever in stock and shoot
hazy frost
Yeah it’s just a poor effort for a channel that claims to be trying to go towards the more serious reviews and educational channel
golden stream
Kinda watch for fun though
hazy frost
Yeah I only have an issue when they try and frame it as advice for people like that video when it’s just not true
golden stream
LTT is for entertainment and possibly screwdriver or backpack
hazy frost
They need to decide what they want to focus on for the main channel imo
They want to do proper reviews and be a channel people go to for advice but they keep sensationalising for views
I only rly watch hardware unboxed or GN for more specific topics in detail
sharp star
a screwdriver-shaped backpack
hazy frost
Their original backpacks were pretty bad quality anyway for the money
Apparently the new ones are actually pretty good tho
golden stream
I may get the new one, not really need the huge old one
real edge
this makes me laugh
if I spend 1500 ill get a whole....6fps on average more and 4070super owners will get....1fps more
what a deal
glad dove
nvidia is smoking something if they think ppl will buy these shit cards
i'm sure they'll sell out and people will have buyers remorse when their games will run like garbage 
sly walrus
and then they come out with the 40 series classic
glad dove
this makes me laugh
this is lack of vram right?
real edge
if I had to guess, yeah
hazy frost
this makes me laugh
that is one hell of a mess lol
the game tho bc why is the 4070 super below the 7800xt
amd gpus were using more vram in most games
dull garnet
man this new Corsair RM850x keeps a lot of hot air trapped in the unit. the fan is designed to kick on at 50c (or a certain level of load, which i'm probably not even gonna hit during normal usage) so i'm like hmm. could manual override the fan but I guess it is okay to be a little warm if that is the design
never really thought about it on my old EVGA PSU
hazy frost
I mean it’s normal and not hurting anything
dull garnet
just funny having a ton of hot air waft out if i do manually override, but yeah you're right
dire viper
When does the reviewer embargo for the 9070 lift 
Or have the reviewers even gotten the cards
dire viper
I mean if these cards are at the performance they claim for the price point and have the supply to back them, it’s not terrible
9070XT at 5070ti performance for 150 bucks less
dull garnet
do we want 5070 ti performance levels?
dull garnet
fair, looks like the Ti was a lot better received than the regular 5070
odd sand
Problem being the alternative is GN who makes videos worse than watching paint d...
I wish they were still only doing videos that are like watching paint dry. Their entire problem is Steve having a savior complex now and half their content is smug holier than thou exposes
hazy frost
I wish they were still only doing videos that are like watching paint dry. Their...
as annoying as he is its still like the only channel doing videos as in depth as they do
odd sand
Which is why I watch the dry benchmark videos and ignore all the rest of his BS
hazy frost
i prefer to read what they publish but sometimes i can sit through whatever steve is saying
hazy frost
9070XT at 5070ti performance for 150 bucks less
$400ish rn tho bc 9070xt actually has stock and 5070ti doesnt lol
dire viper
Lmao yea
hazy frost
9070 has m ore stock than all of the 50 series
ray tracing caught up fsr basically caught up price lower
only rly missing out on DLAA and RR now
the new transformer model is definitely the best for upscaling on dlss but like not every game even uses it yet
dull garnet
riiidge racer
glad dove
When does the reviewer embargo for the 9070 lift <:hmm:976423522530369547>
first thing in the morning when the cards drop at 9am est
or rather the 5070's drop, sorry - 5070 release and 9070/9070xt review embargo lifts, with 9070/9070xt releases on thursday at 9a
copper monolith
I have an audio issue with my pc where it keeps disconnecting and even when its connected I can only hear the muci not the voice. This happened on both my on board audio jack and front audio jack
Does this mean my mobo is the issue?
dire viper
https://youtu.be/d17Yr0Wk5ak?si=m02KTWHQ29PglNbl @potent arrow oh yea it was R32 day in japan, over a hundred R32's at a drift meet
golden stream
Not necessary
Could be just the DAC of the motherboard
Do you have a friend who has a standalone DAC? Can borrow for testing
brave oxide
Not necessary
Could be just the DAC of the motherboard
Do you have a friend who ...
also just a reminder that this is the cheapest DAC that can nearly match all the expensive ones for the low cost of $9 https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MW2Q3AM/A/usb-c-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter
the only time I'm gonna shill that garbage company
golden stream
I'M NOT GONNA SHILL THAT SHIET
It's designed to break
A decent Fiio would be better
But ngl for phone, that smol dongle is already good, the phone's DAC is already decent
In the longerTM run, multiple Apple dongles will cost more than a decent ok durable one
brave oxide
I have firsthand experience of how terrible the durability of apple chargers/cables can be, but surprisingly my dongle has survived fine so far
Since 2021
I just never really move it
copper monolith
Not necessary
Could be just the DAC of the motherboard
Do you have a friend who ...
Do u think a usb sound card will fix this? I'm planning on buying a new pc in a few months so I don't want to spend much on fixing this one
I still dunno how a usb sound card works
golden stream
I still dunno how a usb sound card works
^ that dongle
It should work tho
Or if u want something more concreate, check the audiophile peep, their DAC/AMP may have USB port aka Moondrop Dawn Pro
dire viper
Man it’s crazy to think that the Porsche Cayenne might be the best depreciated car to buy at this point
Top tier luxury and performance SUV for 40k
And the hybrid ones which come with cool color schemes are also cheaper now
Love me the acid green calipers
@sly elk
Just like how these look in the silver with acid green brakes
The 911 918 edition and Cayenne were the first cars to have em besides the 918 Spyder
And the 911 918 edition could only be ordered if you BOUGHT a 918 and it was an OPTION
You got a whole car as an option
Also it’s goofy looking at old 911’s
They sit so high compared to the newer cars
Back when they were more usable
sharp star
I’m fucking crying it’s literally the same card
sharp star
apparently Sapphire alone has more stock of 9070 XTs than the entire 50 series