technology-discussion

[solid panther]

You dont have a 4k monitor dont lie to me

[potent arrow]

No but I want the CUDA cores

[solid panther]

oh fair

[potent arrow]

if I'm gonna emulate an entire plc line on my personal for work

I'm gonna need a good gpu

I don't want to die of old age lol

[solid panther]

so you'd be wanting an 4080 at least

[potent arrow]

and if I'm upgrading, I want to be able to more then comfortably use the stuff I've been doing before like blender and Adobe and shit

yep

hence 4070ti super or 4080

[solid panther]

Good fucking luck

[lost python]

well tbf, you dont render stuff in blender so your gpu doesnt really matter there

[potent arrow]

but 4080 goes for about the same price as a 5080

[solid panther]

You'll have to kill a man if you want one

[potent arrow]

the new cpu handles that better then mine

[lost python]

oh cpu for sure

[potent arrow]

I'm just handwaving my software shit rn

I'm going insane hiccup

I'm at the brink of ripping Israel for a gpu

LMAO

[solid panther]

Im one of those sorry saps who has one of the intel fuck boy CPUs

the ones that kill themselves

[lost python]

just come over to germany real quick. 4090 are only 2700€ here

[solid panther]

But to switch to an AMD I would need to change out the motherboard too I think

So Im just riding the wave until I cant any longer

It's doing fine, I've had no issues thus far and performance has been pretty great

[potent arrow]

here's what I have/purchased so far

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/ftPjBq

[solid panther]

but Im still side eyeing the X3D chips like

[potent arrow]

upgrade your bios and drivers and shit and you'll be fine

[solid panther]

Oh I did already yea

[potent arrow]

[solid panther]

if I can last until the 60 series, the plan is to upgrade all of it then

so I'll switch to an X3D, get a 6070ti or something

new motherboard

but thats still like 2 years away at this point

mini ITX

Are those big enough for an xx80 card ?

Those cards are fucking massive

They eat space in the tower like nobodies business

[potent arrow]

yes

[solid panther]

also

2500?

woof

2500 without the GPU *

lmfao

its gonna be like 3500 by the time you finish

[odd sand]

Jayz2cents was saying it's likely due in part to the launch happening around CNY, but that's kind a flimsy excuse when normally for a launch like this you would be stockpiling cards for like 6 months beforehand

[solid panther]

I think the market is still just

recovering from covid, in part

But also nvidia and amd are pouring more and more of their effort into fucking

the server and AI market

[hazy frost]

Nah 40 series release wasn’t close to this bad

It’s gotten worse

[odd sand]

With modern cases eliminating the CDrom/HDD cages on the front of the case, there are very few cases that don't fit a full sized card. Even most SFF can fit 90 series FE cards.

[hazy frost]

They just have no product to actually sell

[solid panther]

I think it'll probably recover in time but like

you're probably waiting 6 months

minimum

[hazy frost]

I managed to get my 4070ti for retail when they came out and looking at 50 series it’s gonna be 20%+ markup lol

[solid panther]

If you have a 4070ti is a 5070 even worth it?

[hazy frost]

I would be getting a used 4090 probably

[solid panther]

Oh true

[hazy frost]

But the price of new cards is making those expensive too for now

[solid panther]

I will say this though

People talk about how expensive cards are and I absolutely agree, buuut

I think cards last longer now, more than they used to

because of the software

[hazy frost]

It’s been this way for like a decade people only complaining now tho

[solid panther]

shit like dlss and frame gen can extend the life of your card

They obviously have their own issues

[hazy frost]

Like after the GTX 10 series this has been pretty consistent in higher prices

[solid panther]

but its not like before were you were just shit out of luck if your card was too old

[potent arrow]

I LOVE BEING BROKEEEE

[solid panther]

Maybe a hot take

[hazy frost]

Even the 980ti was $650 in like 2015

[solid panther]

But I dont... mind... paying 700aud for a card if it actually lasts me 6 years while letting me play games on high/ultra that entire time

[hazy frost]

Which is like $900 with inflation

[potent arrow]

based, that's why I don't mind high end

[solid panther]

I obviously want it to be cheaper

[hazy frost]

So basically what the 5080 should be

[potent arrow]

if it fucking lasts

[solid panther]

but I can deal

[odd sand]

Just gotta do ubereats every waking hour you aren't your main job /s

[potent arrow]

bro I'm high availability L1/2 support

[hazy frost]

Tbf the top tier Nvidia cards have all lasted 6 years throughout the times they released

[solid panther]

I dont bother with the xx80 cards because they're like 1200aud over here, but at the same time they're also looking more and more viable IF the software keeps up

[potent arrow]

I'm always at work LMAOO

[solid panther]

so hell, maybe I will go 6080 when that releases

if I can get my hands on it

[hazy frost]

In more recent memory the 780 980 1080 and 2080 all aged well

[odd sand]

This is why I've stayed on 1080p still. Do I lose some graphical detail sure? But I could probably stretch this 3080 for 8 years if I needed to bc of that. Maybe even longer.

[hazy frost]

3080 was kind of eh bc there’s a 10GB version which sucks

Would’ve lasted as a 1440p card if there was only a 12GB one

[odd sand]

tbf the 12gb version also sucks

[hazy frost]

True but it’s atl usable for 1440p titles still

[odd sand]

As far as 1440p goes. Really want 16

[solid panther]

Yeah I mean, you dont HAVE to spend 4 grand to make a PC capable of playing new games, but as a working adult Im ok with spending money to get as much out of games as I can

[hazy frost]

12 is fine for 1440, so is 10 usually it’s just occasionally it’s not great

[odd sand]

Shit's dumb anyways. All that time and effort into MAXGRAPHICS textures, only to have to upscale for a decent FPS, which then makes it look like shit.

[hazy frost]

I spent like £1500 last time and I don’t rly have much to upgrade it’s been 2 years

[hazy frost]

Upscaling looks fine at 1440p and especially 4K

[solid panther]

I do big upgrades every 4-6 years, and usually it runs me like

[hazy frost]

In 1080p it’s pretty awful especially in performance settings lol

[solid panther]

1800aud

[hazy frost]

Bc it’s upscaling from like 540p

[solid panther]

Which I can deal with

[odd sand]

For me, GPU usually gets upgraded at twice the rate of CPU

[solid panther]

So it should

CPU should last you much longer than your GPU

Well

[odd sand]

Although as I said, I'm still on 1080p so my 3080 will basically go hand in hand with the CPU

[solid panther]

Also depends on your work load

Honestly the bigger upgrade for me was getting the OLED monitor

[hazy frost]

DLSS quality on the new model looks alright

[solid panther]

Yeah, new model is slightly less performance increase but much better visual quality

[odd sand]

Before the 3080, I normally never got anything higher than a 70 series card, so those didn't last quite as long

[solid panther]

so, worth it

imo

[hazy frost]

It’s not rly that different it’s about 5%

[solid panther]

yeah thats why I said slightly

lmao

well

unless you're on an older card

its worse than that

I think it goes up to like

20%?

[hazy frost]

But the balanced version on the new model is also similar to the old quality settings

[solid panther]

on a ... 30 series?

or was it 20?

[hazy frost]

So u can get more performance for the same image quality anyway

Or slightly less for better image quality

[solid panther]

That plus the improved frame gen with less latency

Another hot take but people bitching about 'fake frames' dont understand that every frame is 'fake' lmfao

[hazy frost]

I still think frame gen sucks it’s not gotten over the smeariness and funny artefacts it has

[solid panther]

The closer frame gen gets to normal latency, the more insane that tech becomes

I wouldn't do multiframe framegen atm

but the regular framegen?

Its gotten fairly decent

[hazy frost]

Even regular frame gen still looks pretty ass

[solid panther]

I dunno I think its fine for the most part

Could be better

but you also dont have to use it, and for those who want to use it it's an option

[hazy frost]

Its fine if u only use that but if you can play a game at 60+ fps anyway it’s probably not worth the visual quality decrease

And u shouldn’t rly have it on if ur getting below 60 anyway

[solid panther]

But I do think nvidia is smart to focus on the software like DLSS and frame gen, regardless of what people say

hardware increases have been abysmally slow these last few gens

but software has skyrocketed

[hazy frost]

Turning on frame gen as a crutch to get 60 fps or DLSS SR performance as well at lower resolutions just makes a mess

[solid panther]

DLSS is really the big one though

[hazy frost]

In part because they can sell software features and charge more money without implementing any real changes

So it’s solving the problem it’s creating

Which just puts u even with where it would be anyway rn

For new cards anyway

[solid panther]

I mean sure, if you want to focus on the negative, but it also means an older card can last longer

[hazy frost]

Old stuff that can use new features is benefitting

But stopping new cards from actually improving in hardware design sucks

It’ll just make the problem worse in the future

[solid panther]

And I don't necessarily think its their fault that hardware increases have plateaued

they were bound to

[hazy frost]

Atl AMD is focusing on both unlike Nvidia

[solid panther]

There's definitely room for improvement but its not like it was before

where you'd get these major jumps

[hazy frost]

It’s their fault for selling them at higher tiers than they should be for extortionate prices tho

[solid panther]

Oh yeah absolutely

[hazy frost]

It’s only a performance plateau for each card bc they’re putting them in a tier they absolutely shouldn’t be in

The 5070 is hopefully not as much of a joke as the 5080 but I doubt it

[solid panther]

but also people keep buying them regardless so like, of course they're gonna crank prices

I mean 5070's price isnt... terrible

[hazy frost]

AMDs new cards are promising anyway

[solid panther]

its cheaper than the 4070 was on launch at least

iirc

so thats.. something

[hazy frost]

4070 got made cheaper pretty quickly bc of bad sales

So it’s basically the same as the first month of the 4070

They learned lol

[solid panther]

If I was a betting man, the 5070 will be the only card this lineup to come out relatively unscathed

but hey maybe it'll end up being a pile of shit

who knows

Im too entrenched in nvidia in terms of GPUs so im not switching anytime soon

but CPUs? I think im done with intel after this gen

[hazy frost]

Nvidia will just wait an entire year to release a good gpu with the 5070 super again

[solid panther]

The super lineup pisses me off lmfao

Its such a double dip move

"Hey, these are the cards the originals were SUPPOSED to be!"

[hazy frost]

I don’t mind them sticking with it bc the 4070 super was pretty cool

[potent arrow]

does the 50 series actually exist or is this a fucking psyops with 2 cards that show up mysteriously

[hazy frost]

I’d like a 4060 super bc the 2060 super was also good

[solid panther]

They kind of exist

But they're super limited lmfao

and scalpers obviously are doing their work

[hazy frost]

They exist bc they’re still in stock here but they’re now £1400

I can preorder for MSRP but it’s not until April lmao

[potent arrow]

wait I'm gonna go hurt myself and look at them on eBay and get whiplash 9000

[solid panther]

lemme check what a 5080 is going for in AUD

[potent arrow]

[hazy frost]

1400 is $2800 aud

lol

[solid panther]

retail

haha

ha

haha

[hazy frost]

I present to u

[solid panther]

ebay

hahaaaaa

[potent arrow]

LORD

[hazy frost]

People really think someone will buy this

I saw a regular like zotac one for £3200 too

Like really???

It’s not even a model people want

[potent arrow]

I'm dead

[solid panther]

4080 super

retail

[potent arrow]

here cards do not exist

[hazy frost]

One place here has the 5080 for £950 but I wouldn’t wait until summer for one lmao

[solid panther]

lmfao

[hazy frost]

It’s not even a card I rly want in the first place

[solid panther]

every fucking card

is sold out

[paper tusk]

[solid panther]

wait wait

guys

[hazy frost]

Almost Everything I bought for my pc is more expensive now than 2 years ago

[solid panther]

we're saved

[hazy frost]

except my cpu

[solid panther]

the 4060 is still in stock

gaming is saved

lmfao 8gb ass card

[hazy frost]

Even in these times no one wants a 4060

[hazy frost]

8GB would be fine if it wasn’t like $300 US lmao

The rx7600 was 240 for a while

Storage is too expensive rn the cheapest 2TB TLC nvme is like £95

[solid panther]

only a cool 4-5k

for a card

[hazy frost]

That seems about right

[solid panther]

my entire PC cost less

I think it cost me like

3500

[hazy frost]

I’d really like a water block for the 4090 as well tho so it’s going to cost me more than just buying one

My 4070ti was £720

Lmao

I bet the 5070ti will launch at around 1k somehow

[solid panther]

oh wait holup

Im shocked this is in stock

its not a super

but still

16gb card in these trying times?

[hazy frost]

Only like $300 over what it should be

lol

[solid panther]

oh and this

[hazy frost]

I’m more concerned about the fact electricity is like 40p/kwh now

[solid panther]

those are the only 2 cards still available

and the 4060

the rest are sold out

[hazy frost]

That one’s actually a good deal

[solid panther]

yeah thats not terrible

PNY isnt the best brand but like

Could be worse

[hazy frost]

PNY is one of the best

It’s just not recognised

[solid panther]

Huh, fair

[potent arrow]

the 4070 super feels like the 3060ti of that gen

[hazy frost]

PNY made the old Nvidia FE cards and makes models of their current quadro cards too

They just don’t get any attention by gamers bc idk

It’s not got giant ROG branding so it must be bad

[solid panther]

Oh I have

a 4070ti from PNY

I forgot

maybe im thinking of someone else

[hazy frost]

Perhaps

[solid panther]

Ppl who say they're a cheap Chinese brand are fucking morons```

Huh, had no idea it was US based

[hazy frost]

People seem to think PNY is like a Chinese company

Yeah

Idk how it happened

[solid panther]

You know

I bet its the name

that throws people off

[hazy frost]

Probably

PNY just don’t care bc they’re making quadro cards lol

And OEM

[solid panther]

PNY is exclusively making Quadros (or whatever they are called now) for Nvidia so yeah, it's a very respectable brand. They're just more into workstation territory and not your average consumer grade with their products.

[hazy frost]

They don’t rly need people to buy their GPUs so they’re just not flashy good quality standard models for the GeForce ones

[solid panther]

Apparently they'll also void your warrant at the drop of a hat but like

thats everyone I've ever dealt with

lmfao

[hazy frost]

They’re better than the majority atp

No one has a good warranty

Especially asus

Which is the one everyone wants still

[solid panther]

But yeah, either way I'll sit on my 4070ti until the 60 series.

50 series is a bust for me, even if I could get hands on one

well, unless the 5070 is magically like

40% better than the 4070

[hazy frost]

Inb4 5070 is worse than the 4070

[paper tusk]

that wouldn't surprise me

[hazy frost]

It’s probably literally just the 4070 super like the 5080 is to the 4080 super

But with multi frame gen!!!!

I’m not surprised if the 5070ti does that too bc it’s 16gb like the ti super lmfao

This gen is just 5-10% over the super GPUs but AI

[paper tusk]

5070 non ti literally same as 4070 super but for a msrp that you'll never find in reality

[solid panther]

5070 is actually the same as a 2070 for some reason

[hazy frost]

I’d be more interested in whether the 5060 is worse than the 4060 like the 4060 was to the 3060 initially

[potent arrow]

i

found a deal on a card holy shit

[solid panther]

did it cost your soul

[hazy frost]

But if u turn on multi frame gen u get 4090 performance so it’s ok

[potent arrow]

it's MSI but I have to settle...

[hazy frost]

MSI is fine

[potent arrow]

MSI GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER 16G GAMING X SLIM

1400$

[hazy frost]

Tbf literally everyone who makes GPUs is fine

Except asus

[potent arrow]

Nah, I have a personal policy at my company to no longer service msi

"company" business lol

[hazy frost]

My one is MSI bc it was cheaper than the others and I decide with my wallet

I hate spending money

[dull garnet]

i love msi

[hazy frost]

And gigabyte ones were snapping PCBs at the PCIe slot at the time lmao

So I wasn’t inclined to go with them

[hazy frost]

I love whoever charges me less money

Which is why I unfortunately have an asus product in my pc

[solid panther]

I can get deals sometimes

I have a friend who works at a pc tech place and he'll give me 20% off pretty regularly

But thats obviously not something most people can take advantage of lmfao

[dull garnet]

what is wrong with asus exactly? my last 3 cards before my two fe cards were asus and fine

[hazy frost]

The product itself should be fine the problem is when it’s not fine they will charge obscene smounts for repairs replacements and rip u off and try to put hidden charges in that is if they help u at all

[dull garnet]

i gotta say

i've never contacted support for any pc part in 20 odd years

[hazy frost]

They’ve been notorious the last few years for awful customer service

[hazy frost]

U shouldn’t have to but when it’s hundreds of dollars on singular parts I’d rather know if something is wrong they won’t try and scam me further lmao

There’s a couple incidents where people sent cards in asus broke them and then tried to charge for those repairs iirc

The fact the first several results on YT when u search asus have mostly controversies is not a good sign

[odd sand]

If you had looked like 2 weeks ago, you probably could have snapped up a 7900xtx for less than that even

[hazy frost]

GN, Jay, LTT have all made content on what’s been going on with asus tho

Pretty good coverage on all the situations

[dull garnet]

do they even have uk support

lol

[dire viper]

992.1 Sport Classic in paint to sample Dark Sea Blue

[kind rune]

1400 dollars for a 4070 ti super

[dull garnet]

lol

[dire viper]

That’s how they’ve shipped for years

They’ll ship PlayStations like that and they’ll get stolen

[glad dove]

[odd sand]

Pretty sure the one I bought from them was in a box, but I can't remember anymore. (PS5)

I got one thru their site the first week or two, then got one in december from Walmart after they started doing the smaller drops. They would spread out the shipment drop like every 10mins, so I missed the first wave, but got one in the 2nd wave bc I think people weren't expecting it

(That one was for my roommate to send to his brother for xmas so they could play games together)

The trick to that stuff is to prep your account ahead of time and have your account at the finalize payment screen, then on another tab you F5 the sales page and add the item there and the moment it's added you click finalize payment on the other tab and the cookie will have been updated and buy it

[paper tusk]

looks like the average msrp of 5070 ti will be $937

[odd sand]

In the past you would expect prices to be less than MSRP, but sadly that doesn't mean much these days. That means the actual price they're charging is like $1300

[paper tusk]

yeah (the average in usd was over 12 skus)

the average transaction price will probably be on the 900-1000 usd tier before tax, assuming restock isn't measured in months

[dire viper]

@odd sand starting to see a lot of other people in contracted positions have all the people around them get laid off

Seeing posts and stuff

[odd sand]

yeah it's really stupid blanket across the board cuts but like, if that was the only person in their department or position... then what?

[dire viper]

Yup

[odd sand]

Or what if they were leading some big project and in the middle of it they just canned the person

[dire viper]

Cripple major departments is the plan I think :)

Now you’ve got tens of thousands of people without jobs

[odd sand]

And since it was sudden, it's not like they would get to gracefully hand off operations. They're just gone. So if not everything was documented yet or you didn't have all the passwords etc? RIP

have billionaire come in and tear up the govt then say look its broken, better sell it to me for pennies on the dollar

[dire viper]

How long are contractors gonna be around is the question

[dire viper]

Billionaire who can’t do basic programming or is incapable of playing games

[odd sand]

cough $400M "armored tesla contract cough no conflict of interest there

[dire viper]

Someone who has no functioning creative center in their brain

Started a banking company that mimicked PayPal and then sold it to PayPal and then got voted out of PayPal over concerns of rampant spending habits that could’ve touched company coffers

And honestly probably did

Not to speak of how bad the original banking company was

It was as secure as DOGE’s website, you could just transfer money from someone’s account into your own no issue and with no checks

So ppl were just stealing other peoples money

[dire viper]

God other things that piss me off are people that don’t know shit about modern cars

Constantly seeing people say you have to remove catalytic converters to get proper exhaust flow to make more power…

Maybe in a base 4 cylinder car that will never actually be fast

There are street legal cars over 1000hp for sale that meet all global emissions requirements plus will meet future ones

Ferraris V12’s make over 800hp and meet both European and Californian emissions standards

Porsches engines recently just got more catalytic converters added to the exhausts to meet standards and didn’t see a power decrease

How it feels to go to a car event and talk to people that know so little they sound actually insane saying this stuff to random people in public because they do say this stuff in public

[odd sand]

For the average consumer engine that's probably true though

But as you said, it's not that it can't be done.

[dire viper]

It’s generally not anymore

Efficiency requires every bit of the engine to be efficient

High flow catalytic converters allow for better exhaust scavenging meaning cleaner fuel burn

And less particles coming out of the exhaust

Lots of cars now even have warmers on the converters

So they’re always within temp to work effectively

I think most car people just only like cars for the social aspect and what it gains them in the social contract that is community

The engineering of cars is super complex so I don’t expect most people to fully understand… but they should understand the basic principles around car design if they really want to get into it

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/2LtbfNJE17A?si=37pWiRezMGTMwmk7 @potent arrow

[sly elk]

YEA ITS GOT A HEMI

[sly elk]

wait why does the ev charger have shift paddles

lol

looks like it's to adjust the regen aggressiveness

[cerulean talon]

That’s what they’re for in the solterra

[sly elk]

i can't really imagine someone wanting to adjust that so much that they need paddles

it seems

erm

the charger going the sorta route bmw does evs where it's just a normal car and some happen to be EV is cool

that they mostly used standard car parts is nice

instead of full width screens and more screens and screens everywhere

[cerulean talon]

I use it fairly often, usually once or twice a drive

[sly elk]

huh really

[cerulean talon]

Mostly when I’m headed downhill and want to be lazy about braking

Yeh, the hill down to town from where I live if I’m in max regen, is taken at 45 mph(speed limit) anything less and I’m braking

[sly elk]

that makes sense

is it just ya don't like feeling of it otherwise?

[cerulean talon]

I find full regen to be a little much most of the time, particularly because I’m used to coast-driving

So it’s usually on 2 of 4, which is where it starts at

Even on max, it’s not nearly as jarring as a Tesla, but it’s not the feel I like

1/4 essentially disables it, it’s so hilariously light xD

[sly elk]

tesla regen is funny when you're driving one sometimes

because

UNINTENTIONAL BRAKE CHECK

so I saw something today in a lucid air in front of me at a red light

that I think may have been a software bug

but I'm not 100% sure

[cerulean talon]

Hah, the solterra is a lifepo4 car, so it can’t charge the batteries below freezing, so my regen is limited atm anyway

[sly elk]

we just pulled up right as the left turn light went red

so we're sitting there with our turn signals on

and after about a minute the turn signal ont he lucid turned off

and then when the light turned green they let off the brake and suddenly their turn signal was back on

idk maybe they turned it off but i think it might've "gone to sleep" because they were sitting long enough or something

the car had a dealer plate on the back though so maybe whoever was driving it didn't know what they were doing idk

[cerulean talon]

That’s wild xD

[sly elk]

i'll keep an eye out to see if I see that again, because lucids aren't that uncommon here

[cerulean talon]

Maybe the blinker battery needed to recharge nods

[sly elk]

i wanna see the gas charger

i think these look cool anyway

i hope they start selling orange and yellow and green ones

and bright blue

the dark blue is pretty but it's not fun enouhg

too serious

oh well at least they stuck red brembos on there

(I looked at the window sticker, they are brembos)

[odd sand]

You want cars with your screen? Weirdo.

[sly elk]

i heard this description once years ago about a car but i think it applies here uh

when i drove that rental model y

everything about it felt kinda off

just enough that I never felt quite right driving it

[lost python]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gpu/comments/1ipjw6d/radeon_rx_9070_xt/

someone got their hands on an actual 9070 xt already

[potent arrow]

what the hell lol

[golden stream]

Interesting
Standard 3x 8 pins

ye I don't want le nvidia weirdge plug tho

And also INTERESTING
The user is EU-based, spectaculating

Like I can get some dudes in my place already handed on some Colorful 50xx cards but then that's EA/SEA supply and availability jank

[hazy frost]

Weren’t there some other leaks earlier about pricing and stuff to do with launch as well

It’s basically what everyone expected anyway

[golden stream]

Possible, I just didn't expect one from EU can hand on this early, usually EA/SEA peep tho

[hazy frost]

He said they accidentally shipped it it wasn’t on purpose

But apparently he’s also selling it at like 2-3x its value now so he’s an ass lol

[wide hill]

does anyone notice the new discord overlay breaking games when tabbing out?

like the game doesn't go correctly into focus with it on

[sharp star]

"Discord" and "breaking" always go in the same sentence

[sly walrus]

turn that shit off, homie

don't trust overlays

[golden stream]

early birb access tax

and possibly also for research/teardown, maybe?

[hazy frost]

It’s not usable for anything else besides that

No drivers bc it won’t be launched for another month

lol

[golden stream]

atm ye

[hazy frost]

It’ll probably go to someone who doesn’t know that and got ripped off tho

Anyone selling stuff at 300% it’s value to take advantage is an idiot

[golden stream]

well ngl fair

the issue for all of the early access is no driver atm

and specific case usage to showcase the worth of the product

[hazy frost]

There’s leaked benchmarks anyway to show what it’s likely to be performing close to

No ones gonna get more accurate results than that until launch

[odd sand]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/an-update-on-highly-anticipated-and-elusive-micro-led-displays/

[still hinge]

hi all - looking for a wireless gaming headset thats decent looking and has a fantastic microphone, decent sound quality, and compatibility with ps5 and pc. currently purchased the steelseries arctis nova 7p which is fine but the mic is very mid. im thinking about returning it and replacing with the razer blackshark v2 pro (2023), but ive heard razer's build quality is very poor
price range is $175-230
does anyone have any thoughts on my current options or suggestions outside of those? thx!

[hazy frost]

the only headset that tends to have a good mic and sound quality is the epos/sennheiser ones

theyre like $150-200

most products have one or the other thats half decent

like the corsair hs80 still is one of the best sounding mics to me but build quality and audio sucks

[lost python]

best you will get is decent mic quality

[hazy frost]

the epos ones sound pretty good considering the price

not as good as quality headphones but theyre the same price with a mic included so

[still hinge]

I checked out the sennheiser ones but it looks like they don’t have a built in mic

Are there some that have it?

[sly elk]

beyerdynamic made some gaming headphones but i don't think they had mics

oh they do

but the mics look like generic cheapos and they aren't wireless

[lost python]

the mmx200 is wireless

or rather, it has a wireless version

[sly elk]

oh there ya go

[lost python]

but its also just not very good

[sly elk]

consider me totally not surprised lol

i'm not sure if there is a wireless headphone/mic combo OH one thing yo u could do

is get a wireless modmic and then use whatever wireless headphones you want

[lost python]

but that probably wont work with the ps5

[sly elk]

i have another suggestion but it's horribly expensive LOL

[lost python]

unless you can plug it into the controller and have it recognize that tihng as a mic

[sly elk]

yea I was thinking

you can get a rhode wireless mic thingy

either use it as-is or plug a lavalier mic into it

it would cost a shitload of money

there are a lot of other options though, i'm not sure if any good cheap ones that let you plug any kinda lavalier mic into it

but that would be the best way to get a good sounding wireless mic

[hazy frost]

EPOS make the headsets that used to be branded under sennheiser as well but the new ones aren’t iirc

They have some branded with other audio companies

[potent arrow]

well

lmao

[hazy frost]

Nice

Not a horrible gamer one either

[potent arrow]

4080 and 3900x time

[dire viper]

How much was the card if you don’t mind me asking

[potent arrow]

2100$ LOL

[dire viper]

How much is that USD- GOOD HEAVENS

that’s like my paycheck

See that’s why ppl get so upset over pricing lol

This shit is peoples whole ass paychecks and it’s required to play games at an acceptable frame rate

[hazy frost]

Tbf it’s not meant to be that price it’s a this month scalper thing

[dire viper]

Still

[hazy frost]

It’s usually atl $400 less than that

[dire viper]

800 bucks is 800 bucks

[hazy frost]

I don’t see it bc it’s not the requirement at all

That’s still a premium gpu

Entry level stuff is still relatively affordable

And mid range

[dire viper]

And suffers for it

[hazy frost]

$450 gets u a 7700xt and that’s more than enough to play all games at respectable settings

[dire viper]

Base cards having under 12GB of VRAM from the leading manufacturer who has a monopoly

[hazy frost]

Some people are making more than that a month as well and they can afford the premium ones

Some people make less and have to buy budget options

Realistically people spend a lot of money on stuff throughout a year tho

The pricing when they’re not suffering from scalpers is fine

[dire viper]

I’m aware of budgeting as I do that

And the pricing isn’t fine at launch

[hazy frost]

5080 will be $950 the 9070xt will be $750

[dire viper]

AMD’s main advantage is that after launch, they depreciate as hard as a Tesla

[hazy frost]

Yeah and no one’s obligated to buy at launch

U can just wait a month

It’s predictable and u know it’s gonna happen so either buy before or prepare to wait

[dire viper]

Or maybe things should be priced correctly and have adequate supply at launch

[hazy frost]

Should but ur acting like this is a common occurrence

It’s 2 specific GPUs that launched very recently

[dire viper]

Cause it is

[hazy frost]

40 series didn’t have it

7000 didn’t

[hazy frost]

I know bc I bought one at launch for MSRP and they had several options

The 5080 and 5090 suck and that’s it

[dire viper]

I actually remember seeing 30 series and 40 series cards go for hundreds of dollars over retail for longer than a month after launch, but yes you could get them for MSRP just like you could with the 5080 and 5090. If you were fortunate.

[hazy frost]

It wasn’t fortune lol

They were selling at MSRP for ages

It wasn’t like this launch

[potent arrow]

I got it from someone on marketplace

[hazy frost]

The 30 series was rough and Covid was making it all rough though so it’s not rly comparable

U couldn’t get anything for a normal price

[hazy frost]

Scalpers doing stuff

I think genuinely these days are the best for budget options to get into owning a pc for gaming especially

I’d hold out judgement on this gen until AMDs launch next month anyway bc there’s only 2 cards from one company out rn

[potent arrow]

No it was a student who got married lol

so she didnt have time to use it

[hazy frost]

Rip

I consider people taking advantage of current prices just as bad tho lol

They’re ripping people off bc of the situation all the same

[potent arrow]

i dont think that was their intention lol, selling stuff for below what they paid for inst the greatest lol

thats why I didnt mind, I was only paying 100$ more then they got it for on their amazon receipt

[hazy frost]

How did they pay that much new that’s impressive

Unless it was in the last couple weeks as well

[potent arrow]

amazon third party sellers lol

Thats what I have a problem with

[hazy frost]

Man people not checking prices on other places is insane to me

People rly just be paying whatever Amazon or X other big retailer asks for

[hazy frost]

I agree it sucks but u also have to be ok with that if u buy smth and then want to get rid of it imo

Tech especially loses value immediately after it’s been used like at all

Atl if it’s Amazon u can send anything back and they’ll just take it and not care

[potent arrow]

idk I don't fault them, they have a family, there's bills to be paid, wasn't their intention in the first place

we don't live in a world of ideals lmao, it is what it is.

[hazy frost]

It sucks but it sucks for the people who want to buy it as well

Contributing to raised prices continuing is a pain

I’ll just wait another year ig

There’s nothing worth upgrading to if u had mid range or better last gen unless amd release the 32gb card maybe

[brave oxide]

Hope you're not saying that's entry level lol

[hazy frost]

It’s mid range

[brave oxide]

Entry level used to be a $150 750 or 1050

[hazy frost]

But it’s not that expensive to have smth like that which will play all new games on high settings

[brave oxide]

Then for 40 series the best you could get was an overpriced 4060 that ran like garbo

[hazy frost]

Entry level u can still get like an rx6600 or 7600 for $200 or under sometimes

40 series didn’t have one

Honestly some of the best value GPUs there’s ever been rn despite everything

AMDs lower end 6000 series, the 7700/7800/7900gre and the 4070super were all better than most stuff has been in a long time ngl

People won’t shut up about the 1080ti but that was $700 8 years ago too

‘It aged well’ yeah it better bc it cost a whole lot of money back then too lol

Nothing entry level has ever aged well ngl it’s just been cheap enough no one cares

[brave oxide]

The supers were pretty damn good for 40 series, but the first line up was really overpriced for what they provided

Can't speak for AMD tbh since almost everyone I know avoids them

[sly walrus]

amd makes cpus

[odd sand]

You say that, but for a long time that simply wasn't the case. Everything turned to mud in 2-4 years on the GPU side of things.

[hazy frost]

People are hung up on stuff from a decade ago

[odd sand]

10 series was the first time you could reasonably expect to get playable perf out of even a 1060 for 4-5 years.

[hazy frost]

I mean tbf not much has changed just peoples expectations have slightly changed

And people don’t account for the inflation that means things don’t cost that different for what they would’ve gotten then

10 series was almost a decade ago and people still want the same pricing

[odd sand]

I remember having an HD5830 which was like an x60 tier card in Nvidia terms at the time, and got like 30fps in Brothers in Arms, with dips into the teens.

[hazy frost]

I mean the 900 was pretty good too

The 700 ehh

Probably not lol

But still i don’t get people acting like stuff is rly different recently it’s been pretty similar for a decade now

Although the 5080/90 are particularly horrible rn

[odd sand]

Whereas now, it's pretty rare to get under 60fps unless you're trying for ultra graphics or on 1440p or something.

[hazy frost]

Yeah I very much believe now as much as people seem to disagree is one of the best times to be buying hardware

The problem is as tech got better so did the standards people have so no one appreciates how good it is

[odd sand]

I think it's a mixed bag, because you really have to do the research to get those price/perf deals.

And simply overall, you can't build what you could even 5 years ago from a perf POV.

[hazy frost]

1080p high setting 60+ fps GPUs for $200 in new triple A titles??? Back when people say the market was better that would’ve been crazy

[odd sand]

You used to be able to put together a system to run new games 1080p high 60fps for like $650

[hazy frost]

And $650 back then is closer to $900 now too

[odd sand]

Define back then?

The problem is wages haven't increased with inflation, so everyone has taken like a 35% haircut in the last 5 years, but they're not earning anymore.

[hazy frost]

Call it 2017-18

It’s like $850-900 now

[odd sand]

So okay cool with inflation that's 900 now. But people can still only afford a 650 system, so that simply means they can't get the same perf they did back then at the same price, despite it being years later.

[hazy frost]

Which is still a budget u can get a good pc or arguably better than what u did back then too

[hazy frost]

There’s quite a lot of people who can afford it too

There were people who couldn’t afford $650 then

People who can’t afford 900 now

[odd sand]

Companies don't give cost of living adjustments yearly anymore and "raises" tend to be pathetic shit like 1-3% every 2-3 years. So unless you job hop you aren't keeping up with inflation, and with modern HR systems being all LLM-screened it's a nightmare interviewing every 2-3 years.

[hazy frost]

Based on median salary and how hardware lasts $900 isn’t egregious really

It’s maybe slightly worse than $650 was before but the time hardware lasts and how good it is rn for the price is also slightly better

A GTX 1060 was $250 back then and an rx7600 is $250 now

[brave oxide]

that's me, but less than a decade, i had issues with amd gpu and moved to nvidia, then a couple gens later a friend went amd, had issues and moved to nvidia, then recently another friend went amd, had issues and is planning to move to nvidia

[hazy frost]

Nvidia has had just as many issues recently if not more tbh

[brave oxide]

so while I get many won't have issues, I don't want to play the lottery

[hazy frost]

It’s just luck if it’s happening

[odd sand]

I think AMD is fine now, but that is only within the last 2 years or so. Before then yes, AMD drivers/support was a mixed bag bc their market share was too small for most vendors to bother really refining the drivers.

So you'd get weird fluke crashes and instability on AMD you wouldn't see with Intel.

Most of the time you were fine so it was still fine to buy them but

When you heard about some weird fluke crash or bad perf in some new game. 90% of the time it was AMD users

[hazy frost]

Ironically Intels drivers for arc GPUs are still terrible

[brave oxide]

I do believe buying AMD GPUs sometime after a new product launch (ideally a year+) is way better than buying within a year of launch

because early on the driver issues are never ending

[hazy frost]

Goes for most things tbh

[odd sand]

Not surprised. Cost/benefit for refining the GPU drivers isn't there for the market share they have.

[brave oxide]

yeah so I've heard about Intel

[hazy frost]

Nvidia has more hardware design flaws than AMD too tho

[brave oxide]

i was hoping they would corner the mid tier market

[hazy frost]

AMD only had one last gen with the Vapor chamber in reference cards initially

Nvidia has had several questionable choices

Not entirely on them but the partners making cards as well

So I can’t fault them 100%

[odd sand]

There's an 80% chance I'll end up on AMD for at least CPU my next upgrade, if not GPU as well.

Bc Intel doesn't seem like it's gonna climb out of it's hole for at least another 3-5 years.

[hazy frost]

I’ve already got an AMD cpu and only have an nvidia gpu bc of the interesting 7900xt/x launch prices

$900? For a 7900xt lol

And 1k for an xtx

[odd sand]

As is typical with AMD tho: The XTX performs a lot better now than it did at release

So it's actually kinda worth the 1k price now

[brave oxide]

oh I'm full team AMD on CPUs

[odd sand]

Although up until a few weeks ago you could get them for 800-950

[brave oxide]

I've had ryzen since the first gen, and zero regrets

and the 3D CPUs are way too good

[odd sand]

They were in consideration for me since 3000 series, but things simply didn't work out both times.

[brave oxide]

I was sad to see the 5800X3D is fully gone now, none of the shops have it anymore

[hazy frost]

40 series does too

Actually both have quite significant improvements from release

[odd sand]

For the 3000 series it's bc you couldn't find any stock for the damn things for months
Then I mulled a 7800X3D but I would have had to wait a bit and I wanted more cores for homelab on the side, so I got the 13900K instead even if I knew it wasn't as great of a cost/perf value

[hazy frost]

5700x3d

[odd sand]

You can still find the 5700X3D and that's very close to it in perf

[hazy frost]

It’s just a lower binned 5800

[brave oxide]

that one I think is also on its way out, average price went up quite a bit after 5800X3D left the market

[hazy frost]

U can get them for $150 on AliExpress still

Just have to wait a while for shipping

Might be closer to 200 rn tho

[odd sand]

Well sure: It's 2 gens old at this point, so that makes sense. They haven't been made in like 3 years

[hazy frost]

It was nice while it lasted

Looks like I’m getting another 4 years out of am5 anyway

[odd sand]

They released some new SKUs, but that was just those lower binned chips held in reserve.

[hazy frost]

The 7600x3d is a lot better than the 5600x3d was

But its microcenter only again iirc

[odd sand]

Like that small run of 5600X3D that was only at microcenter lol

[brave oxide]

it was last year they stopped production of 5800X3D

[hazy frost]

The fact they already have a 7600 is interesting

Given they still make them and it’s not a late refresh

[odd sand]

Oh? Well, it's possible they had some wafer allocation to burn on the older process, so they saved it for the X3D since that was selling like hotcakes

[hazy frost]

Intel won’t compete in gaming unless they make something to compete directly with the extra v cache

Theyre competing with their own last gen rn and losing still as far as I’ve seen lol

[brave oxide]

when you fight against yourself and still lose

[hazy frost]

I think atl now it runs fine on MC instead of boosting performance like 20% if u have a single core running

Idk what was causing that on launch

[hazy frost]

Nvidia with low end 40 series cards

4060 funny

[odd sand]

They do or have something like it in the works, but it seems 15th gen is a rough transition period. Which I guess is to be expected. It's not like Zen was good immediately either

[hazy frost]

It’s going to be rough when the company is struggling and they’re already years behind on the design with a generation between that no one is rly interested in

Intel was struggling to move to the newer process for their 13/14th gen compared to AMD anyway

[odd sand]

I expect something resembling a return to form/competitiveness with 17th gen. 16th will probably be hit or miss still.

[hazy frost]

I doubt it’ll be competitive but hopefully it’s actually somewhat viable unlike rn

At least for productivity bc the 9950x is wiping the floor with Intel in most of their own game rn too

Outside of video editing with quicksync

[odd sand]

AMD is like: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE...

[brave oxide]

compared to bulldozer I'd say zen was immediately pretty damn good

[odd sand]

Well, by 17th gen those new fabs in the US should be operational and/or they should be able to buy some fab time from TSMC or Samsung

[hazy frost]

How the turns tabled

[brave oxide]

the only negative of zen at launch was how dependent it was of ram frequency and timing

and only a negative if you used the worst ddr4 sticks

[odd sand]

Thing is, as much as people hammer on Intel: They still have a ton of enterprise contracts that aren't going to move away from them that quickly. They CAN afford a down or two as most contracts are for 5 years.

[hazy frost]

When u need 2000mt faster ram to outperform ur competitor

While using more power

[odd sand]

tbf it is to their credit you can even do that with Intel, as AMD is basically stuck at 6000 isn't it?

[hazy frost]

Corsair LPX ddr4 mmm

[odd sand]

Power eff though, no chance tho as you said: AMD beats the snot out of them in that.

[hazy frost]

U can run 6400 atl on amd now without much issue idk about 7200 but testing is mostly still 6000 bc it’s probably the most consistent across the whole platform

I don’t think 7000 CPUs scaled well with faster speeds anyway

I think 9000 ones are a bit better

[odd sand]

Last I heard, Intel had plans to have the cache on top of the CPU to improve the interconnect as compared to AMD infinity fabric, but I don't think that made it into 15th gen did it?

[hazy frost]

With like the 9950x specifically I think 6200 or 6400 with good timings makes quite a difference in practice

[hazy frost]

Not that I’m aware of

I didn’t look too much into the architecture after it proved to be horrible in real world usage tbh

I would have hope but last time Intel has transitioned to newer ideas recently has been pretty bad lol

[odd sand]

Makes sense, since there are more cores, so that snowballs across all cores for overall perf in multithreaded.

[hazy frost]

E cores causing the downfall of Intel

They told everyone it’s revolutionary and like 4 years later still haven’t made it work properly

Definitely not for mainstream usage anyway

I don’t rly trust Intel atp but I’d also like some competition in the market lol

[odd sand]

Well, you could say the non-cache cores for X3D were kinda e-cores

And they also had problems with the Windows scheduler due to that

[hazy frost]

There are some issues on the dual ccd ones in fairness anyway but nothing that’s quite as bad for general performance bc it still does its main focus well

The 7800x3d was fine

I think especially the 7900x3d sucks bc of the issues even if u then want to try and resolve them u now just have a 7600x3d and mediocre MC performance

[odd sand]

The one thing I have to facepalm is that Intel decided to confuse the fuck out of their new SKU naming... and then AMD is like hold my beer and does the same shit

[hazy frost]

lol

Intels new sku naming is really bad though I cannot understand why they did this

[odd sand]

AI MAX PRO++ 365/2 Dream Drops Edition

[hazy frost]

Intel works on brand recognition anyway for most consumers and they just changed one of the most well known identifiers for a piece of hardware there is

To something completely incomprehensible

[sly elk]

imho not the first time they fucked up

remember "core duo" and "core solo" and "core 2 duo"

those were about as bad as the "core ultra" crap

actually seems they just went back to it

[odd sand]

Yeah, baffling really given the timing aligning with them in freefall

[wraith agate]

are you telling me to plug my brain into my PC?

[sharp star]

yes

[sharp star]

💀

[paper tusk]

not gonna lie, starting to regret not buying a 4070 ti super when I had the chance (at 750 monies)

[sly elk]

giggled at the 600w with shitty cable 😄

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/rubbish-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-trash-you-suck-gif-5495325

[odd sand]

If it makes you feel any better, you can probably get a 9070XT for about that when it releases and be about the same or better perf

[sly elk]

i feel like i need a computer version of top gear

[paper tusk]

at this point I'm more leaning towards waiting a year because 5070 vanilla might not be enough uplift assuming I can find a $550 card in stock, and 9070 will be a ripoff at the vendor level

[paper tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464785702039584778/1340584839228952607/hx2113paycje1.webp?ex=67b2e46c&is=67b192ec&hm=b6963b0345ea9c711c882b8a17530f4ff5ff894f483e1536d8635a9ceb35d1ed&

[hazy frost]

I mean 9070xt is likely to be $750 and faster than the 4080 was so it will actually be worth getting, 5070 I would say won’t be just based on specs and how things have gone they’re just leaning into MFG

the base 9070 might be questionable in value compared to last gen but it’s like $550-600 supposedly

[signal fable]

I saw that some people said it was in between a 5070 ti and a 5080

But I would wait for the release for benchmarks and all of that stuff

[hazy frost]

It’s probably equal to a stock 5080 by leaked benchmarks

It was about 5% faster than the 4080 which is what the 5080 is

It’ll probably be like a 4070ti super in RT as well though which tbf is nothing to turn ur nose up at either

[signal fable]

I see

I doubt I'm going to buy one I'm good with my 7900xt

But let's see if it shakes up the market a little bit

[hazy frost]

Yeah if u have a 7900xt it’s not a huge difference

There is rumors for a 32gb AMD card as well that may or may not ever release this gen

[signal fable]

[hazy frost]

This gen will probably be decent if u don’t already have a pc but if ur on decent hardware especially from last gen its meh

[signal fable]

Probably needs more energy than then 5090 knowing amd

[hazy frost]

If it’s the same performance as the 5090 I’d be impressed ngl

[signal fable]

Yeah luckily I upgraded my pc at the right time

[hazy frost]

It would probably use like 400w and be slower than the 5090 still

[signal fable]

But most of my friends are struggling finding gpus

[hazy frost]

Give it a month it’ll probably be fine again by then

AMD launches in March and there should be a few restocks of 50 series by then

Scalpers make the launch time of any new product horrible for everyone

[glad dove]

lol

[lost python]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1iqtw4r/l_used_all_my_luck_to_get_the_5090fe_now_it_wants/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[wide hill]

cable beta tester

[kind rune]

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/f9wSkbvhJTk?si=sa-LmvyIT_RZqwV_ @potent arrow @sly elk

Silver State Classic is so awesome

challenge: highest avg top speed on a stretch of Nevada highway

https://youtu.be/PoFbVH6IUyU?si=tsvaq5kiGr5AfHcN

[sly elk]

it's not a dual tower heatsink

[dull garnet]

i know that case

[kind rune]

@glad dove what are you laughing about thats your gpu

[glad dove]

i havent seen any melting on the 8pin splitter

so im still hopeful

[glad dove]

@kind rune

[kind rune]

[torpid kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rfB8uFgl-kY that is a giant GPU :d

may as well make a PC out of the box

and it looks like it gonna sag hard :d

[sly elk]

@dire viper what do you think the most reliable vehicle with a ZF8 transmission is? XD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission#Applications

oh interesting, the 2009-2018 diesel and hybrid panameras used them

[dire viper]

The cost of an 8HP puts it in luxury cars typically

So

Take your pick of any modern BMW

or Aston Martin

[dire viper]

Yea the PDK can’t handle torque as much as the ZF box

The lowest rated 8HP is like 700hp, 700ft lbs

Highest rated is over 1000 of both

And that’s what’s in the new V12 Aston’s

Which honestly

It’s kinda crappy that they’re not DCT’s but also the 8HP shifts so fast it doesn’t really matter

There is certainly a difference between a DCT and not a DCT but the 8HP is just fast enough to where it feels sporty

So it doesn’t detract from sporty cars or GT cars

[sly elk]

heheh a lot of the time you can't even feel the 8hp shifts

unless you're accelerating hard

[dire viper]

Yea

It’s why the BMW M Lite cars are so good

Or even the full M X3

X3 M Competitions are now sub 50k

Have 500hp

And good suspension and brakes

Like actually good stuff

And it’s less of a sin that it’s got a turbo engine cause it’s an SUV and not a full 80,000 dollar sports car with horrible turbo lag like the M3 and M4 comps :)

[odd sand]

Windows Update was just like HEY SO WHEN DO WE RESTART TO INSTALL 24H2?

My response:

[golden stream]

are u challenging SFF peep

but ngl it may sag hard, reminds me of 4090 foundation plugs on an ITX motherboard

[dull garnet]

I wonder if 24h2 has gotten any better yet. Still sticking with 23 though

[lost python]

blender with experimental cycles is so weird. its using my iGPU together with my gpu, as if that would help in any way

[sharp star]

I placed an order for a sheet of PTM7950

Gonna see what the big deal is in a day or two

If I end up liking the stuff I will get more and apply them to my sister’s CPU and GPU

[sly walrus]

i am not moving to win11 until i get confirmation that 24h2 is no longer fucking pcs up

[dull garnet]

i have a 23h2 usb kicking around still luckily

[potent arrow]

I didn't realize how bad 24H2 was ngl untill I got like 6 clients calling me about weird crashes

[dull garnet]

oof, that's gotta suck

[potent arrow]

I expect more

because these guys were all my midrange config

exact hardware

probably my most popular config

[odd sand]

I got a sheet with my messenger bag from LTT, but I haven't used it yet. Probably not a bad time for me to repaste my 3080 since it's been over 3 years now.

[dull garnet]

oh that's nothing

[dire viper]

Imagine redoing paste

[hazy frost]

I don’t repaste if it dies from temps it was natural selection

I might have to if I replace my cpu cooler tho

[dull garnet]

i like to own it at least. not "this is something i should do" but "i have a sickness and this is the only thing i can do to satisfy myself in this moment"

[hazy frost]

The only issue with newer cards is vram temps but I’m not touching that so I just won’t bother at all

It’s been 2 years and I rarely see above 70c still it could be better but I rly just need to clean out the dust

[dull garnet]

as long as i don't have dust bunnies i'm perfectly happy with a little dust

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/MU1edIYMRXU?si=new4q82qv1rZimLq @sly elk @potent arrow

Spinning tires at half throttle

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/qsL6JAUZFiQ?si=vsvZnY3LRtSepcE5

[kind rune]

Bunnies?

[dire viper]

@potent arrow oh yea do you know about the Gundam McLaren Senna GTR

The owner of it had this paint job done because they liked Gundam

Which is the actual truth

Livery inspired by the RX-78-2 Gundam piloted by Amuro Ray

[sly elk]

mmmm V8s

[potent arrow]

nom

[wraith agate]

BRUH

I wanted to eat that >:c

[dire viper]

God I hate seeing shit about car manufacturing

I understand cutting jobs is bad but also, Fiat and Chrysler were literally down billions of dollars until Sergio Marchionne took over and absolutely gutted the companies and then when it became Stellantis owned Carlos Tavares did the same thing

Neither brand would have survived without either at the helm, even with the cost and job cutting

“How did Jeep go from a staple of American manufacturing to producing flawed cars right off the assembly line”

ITS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT

The Japanese and Germans were the ones making the best cars in the world, the US companies got complacent and have repeatedly needed to be bailed out 😭

[sly elk]

The Japanese and Germans were the ones making the best cars in the world
The germans only within the warranty period 😉

the japanese until they started tossing turbos and CVTs in everything

i'd otherwise argue the crown vic and the buick lasabre were the best cars ever made

no that's silly, obviously the camry and the lexus ls

[potent arrow]

fucking LCD screen costs 150$

WORTHHHH

[dire viper]

Actually just the CVT’s

But you can blame F1 for that

CVT tech was in F1 like 2 decades before road cars and it got banned so the companies with the highest R&D budgets in the world dropped the CVT and now manufacturers are just barely at F1 level gear boxes

But also F1 CVT’s are rebuilt every race

[dire viper]

Oh and CVT’s are fine now

They’re just not made for dipshits who don’t maintain their car

Also CVT history is kind of interesting

First available CVT car was in the 50’s in the Netherlands

Then Subaru with the Justy

Same Subaru CVT made it into Nissans and Fiat’s

Also a lot and a lot of off road and heavy machinery uses them

With very little issues

[kind rune]

and everyone called me crazy

[sly elk]

i wanna push all the buttons

xD

wait IS THAT A BUILT IN PAGER?!

[golden stream]

Y E S

[sly elk]

LMAO

[golden stream]

It feels like in a spaceship control lmao

[sly elk]

that's totally a pager

[dire viper]

old Mercedes were awesome

I want a 500E so bad

but they are imports only in the US

400E was the model we got

doesnt have the insane full 5.0 V8

that gets 9mpg

because it has to go 155mph on the autobahn so the gear ratios in the slushbox are designed for a 155mph top speed in final drive so... you get zero fucking fuel mileage

that being said. a 400E is still amazing

I want the W124 Coupe 😔

@sly elk this is like peak luxo barge

[sly elk]

sexy

[dire viper]

A W124 400E Coupe is the dream

Get a 4.2 liter luxury V8

And an amazing interior

And it cruises nicely at 140mph

[wraith agate]

This is how a real car should look like

Not like that fuckass "infotainment"

[sly elk]

Buttons and knobs!

[inland mauve]

hell yeah

[sharp star]

Guess I need to do some burn-in tests once I get my pads

I already know that Prime95 and FurMark exist but I may want to do some burn-in testing for my Steam Deck if that's possible

[potent arrow]

furmark kinda stinky these days

[sharp star]

lmao oof

[potent arrow]

just put up a monitoring overlay and just run mh benchmark on loop

[sharp star]

I just need to run a burn-in test for the CPU and GPU once I get my pads

lol

[potent arrow]

if it's just for burn in

just don't that

do

brain tired

[glad dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z7aco-y4RE

[lost python]

should have included the vids of nvidia cards catching fire

[dire viper]

Just buy a 30 year old Mercedes and it’s yours

More luxurious than most modern luxury cars and built better 😭

[hazy frost]

Companies making the CarPlay units that fit into the aesthetic of 90s-00s cars fix the only problem I had with older interiors

Bc I do like actually having maps and BT without some jank but the off the shelf ones look out of place in the design of most cars

[dire viper]

I just listen to what it says

I don’t care for the screens

[hazy frost]

Listening to what it says is alright until I hit 3 roundabouts joined together and it gives me 7 directions at once and doesn’t repeat them

Generally I only look at it when there’s multiple turns in close vicinity to each other or smth otherwise

[odd sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOV2KWDREB8

[sharp star]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/retailer-held-rtx-5080-ransom-unless-buyer-paid-more-after-the-sale-had-been-completed

[glad dove]

damn thats some scummy shit

[devout nexus]

honestly tho.. in canada

it launched 3 days before tarrifs, then tarrifs hit, completely changed the exchange rate as well

and now the cost moved 10+_%

its the same on AMD cards as well

[potent arrow]

you've seen 50 series here???

[devout nexus]

very little yes

we have gotten 0 5090 so far tho

but like maybe 300 5080 which is nothing

[potent arrow]

Did you see 4080 prices

it's crazy here man

[potent arrow]

yeah basically nothing ;-;

[devout nexus]

ive been updating my prices every day its so volatile. also a third variable apparently parts from china costing more. you see the price increase on even the 4060? thats controlled by board partners

[potent arrow]

yeah it's fucking wild

[brave oxide]

expect those companies to use the US tariffs to milk extra money off everyone else not affected by tariffs

[sharp star]

Got my PTM7950

Time to let it sit in the fridge for an hour

If I like it I will order another sheet for my sister

[sharp star]

Running Prime95 for 20 minutes now

[potent arrow]

genuinely run mhw bench on loop

for like an hour and let me see the temp graphs

I'm curious

it made my current rig a bonfirr

[hazy frost]

The mhw bench has smth wrong with it bc why is it more demanding than actual stress tests 😭

[potent arrow]

ikr

[hazy frost]

I’ve run my gpu with the oc profile I have on literally every stress test I could’ve to make sure it was stable and it works but mhw benchmark said no sorry

Like ????

[potent arrow]

that's why I'm curious about temps with that thing running

[hazy frost]

I’m just confused as to why it’s even like that

[potent arrow]

there's something so fucking wrong with that benchmark

[hazy frost]

It crashed if my core clocks are above +100

But +1650 memory is still fine

I can’t wait for the game to release and be just as bad somehow bc they don’t fix it

Yet I’ll probably still play it

[potent arrow]

game runs better then the benchmark

it's weird

[hazy frost]

It’s weird bc I don’t rly know what performance I’ll get in game either

Is the actual game as stuttery as the benchmark is

[potent arrow]

just watch my new pc struggle with the game

[hazy frost]

In the gameplay portion if was still jumping from 65-100 randomly

[potent arrow]

I can't tell, the game ran at like 30fps for me lol

[hazy frost]

Damn

[potent arrow]

3900x and 3060ti wasn't having it

[hazy frost]

With DLSS on I got an average of 94 without RT and 90 with

On ultra

Kind of annoying bc I’d expect there to be like 5-10% more if it let me run the profile I have but whatever

[potent arrow]

allegedly the beta is an old version so we might get big gains on release

[hazy frost]

U should get 110 anyway on those settings with the 4080

[hazy frost]

I hope they atl have a current version demo so I can see if it runs as badly as it does now

I don’t mind low frames if they’re atl consistent so it still feels playable