technology-discussion

[potent arrow]

I got a 3060ti rammed inside a sub 9L

[wild wyvern]

mine is 300mm max

[shadow oracle]

ZZAW B3?4?

[potent arrow]

that thing is huge

[golden stream]

That's huge ye

[hazy frost]

SFF cases fit larger GPUs than some small Matx cases tho bc they’re designed specifically to fit as much of the modern hardware in as possible as well as being small

[shadow oracle]

My next build is probably gonna be a 15L mATX sff that can take 3 slot GPUs

[golden stream]

Smort design be liek

[potent arrow]

well if the case designer is competent

[hazy frost]

There’s some actually garbage cases that aren’t designed around actual function

[potent arrow]

heqdass deepcool

[hazy frost]

If only the good SFF ones were cheaper

[shadow oracle]

Reminder that the ncase m1 designers forgot they could add 14mm to the height and support matx

That's not a joke

They literally could've made it less than a litre bigger and support matx

[shadow oracle]

Lmao how cheap do you want

You can get a great sff case for $100

Dunno how much cheaper you're looking

[hazy frost]

Not everyone lives in America

[shadow oracle]

Who the fuck said I lived in America

[hazy frost]

Whyre u using dollars then

[shadow oracle]

Import it from taobao

[potent arrow]

aight

[shadow oracle]

Because I'm using AUD???

Lmao??

[hazy frost]

Actually I’m not engaging with u anymore lol

0 reason for the aggression

[shadow oracle]

Why are you this combative

You've done this every single time

Come at me as if I insulted your mother or something

[potent arrow]

!mute 275427016822620161 1h

[opal panther]

Success!

@shadow oracle has been muted by @potent arrow for 1 hour!

[potent arrow]

I warned ya, stop with the aggressive language and attitude

[spare coral]

[wild wyvern]

the 3070 he sent me is 317mm and it wont freaking fit

[hazy frost]

U can probably find one that can fit or if not 6700xt models that definitely fit

[wild wyvern]

3070 is abit expensive for me

[hazy frost]

There’s 280mm 6700xt models and the 3070 FE was like 250mm

[golden stream]

Aaaaaaanyway
Even if import, you still have shipping + tax and whatnot
So the price tag ain't the final price tho

[golden stream]

Yup, can confirm

[hazy frost]

I’d check out maybe a 2070 super then

Or a 3060ti

[golden stream]

Can 3060 if reallllly tight

There're MSI ventus model in general and EVGA bless em which are p short

[hazy frost]

The 3060ti and 2070super on carousel look like there’s some for 850-1000

[golden stream]

SGD?

[wild wyvern]

myr

[hazy frost]

RM

[golden stream]

Ahhhh icic

[hazy frost]

If u can’t afford those then just 6600xt or 3060

[vestal crane]

!mute 702574403803807847 12h

[opal panther]

Success!

@hazy frost has been muted by @vestal crane for 12 hours!

Warning issued for puffin.enjoyer on Final Fantasy XIV

Reason: Repeated antagonistic behaviour directed towards other members of this channel
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Issued By: meara

[wild wyvern]

huh

[real edge]

if u want to ask questions im still here

[wild wyvern]

waffle was truying to ask that person to chill

[vestal crane]

As was described in the warn message, this has been a repeated issue as reported by multiple people

[golden stream]

Aight

[wild wyvern]

3060 is fine too?

[golden stream]

Yup

You may afford higher vram 3060

It comes w 8gb and 12gb ver

[potent arrow]

I would only get a 3060 if that's like your last resort imo, but on a budget yeah...

[real edge]

3060ti is stronger but 3060 has more vram

also ye only on a budget, cards not that good anymore

[golden stream]

sweating in weak currency

And also availability is an issue right after CNY

I asked the shops today and they said no used cards in stock atm

[wild wyvern]

oof

[golden stream]

Yeeee us SEA is a bit oof rn

Can wait a week or two, or next month

[wild wyvern]

ya

i can wait

tbh

i just kinda want to upgrade cpu atm

[golden stream]

O ye, if butget is ~800USD, which card is slightly more futureproof tho?

And I also plan to build a DDR5 system just in case my cousin return, but I'm blind if in Intel side
Any suggestion?

[potent arrow]

probably still find a used AM4 boyo

[wild wyvern]

@golden stream i just want to change my old cpu tbh

[real edge]

budget?

ddr5 amd exists

[potent arrow]

idk if ddr5 is possoble for 800USD without brain damage levels of bargaining, it's barely possible in Canada

[real edge]

800USD will be

very difficult

[wild wyvern]

Cuz atm i dont think 4 cores is good anymore

[real edge]

esp in SEA

[real edge]

5600/5600x/5700x/7600/7600x

[wild wyvern]

AM4 or 5

[potent arrow]

the problem runs into a whole two generations of Intel CPUs I can't recommend lmao

[real edge]

if you buy a used GPU is may be possible

if u get like

[wild wyvern]

oh yeah am5 is still expensiiiive lmao

[real edge]

cheap am5 mobo/7600

is surprisingly cheap

and ddr5 ram

issue is GPU mainly

[wild wyvern]

YEA

[golden stream]

Nahhhh 800USD is for the GPU only lmao

[real edge]

whats the total budget?

[wild wyvern]

Its hard to find budget amd gpu here in SEA tbh

[golden stream]

Like I need an estimate for intel ddr5 system

[potent arrow]

oh that's pretty easy then lol

[golden stream]

Nothing concrete atm

[potent arrow]

1200-1400$

[real edge]

why do u want intel

[golden stream]

Some tasks/works need intel only

[potent arrow]

Yeah uh, you can do a lot sans Intel and avoid their memes

[real edge]

:<

[golden stream]

My system is AMD already

So better having a kinda backup just in case lol

[real edge]

theres intel only tasks?

[golden stream]

Datascience stuff, private softwares u_u

[potent arrow]

kinda, it'll run just not well

[golden stream]

It has some weirdo bugs when running AMD

[potent arrow]

I know some of the FPGA workflows I deal with have a stroke on AMD

that's just because they were built on Intel don't know what to do with AMD cores

weird ass shit

[golden stream]

IKR

[wild wyvern]

@real edge im just planning on going r7 5700x

[real edge]

only half decent intel cpu I can think of is the 13600k

[golden stream]

If you spot any x3d CPU within budget, get it

[wild wyvern]

Or is r5 7600 is better?

Oh

[golden stream]

Diff platform, can't use

[wild wyvern]

Iven been lookinf

[real edge]

x3d cpu = beast

[wild wyvern]

Oh its like 900+ myt

or 1k for 5700x3d

[real edge]

I feel bad for SEA ppl cause of their prices and wages prevents them from getting a good pc

[golden stream]

Ye 5700x3d is gud, or you can wait for lower price/used

[wild wyvern]

Yea

It costs us alot tbh

Thats why i was like not planning to upgrade gpu

[golden stream]

Let me tell u a horror story
A 3050 laptop, 13th intel, price at 1500USD and called as highend

[wild wyvern]

Since mine is still well

[wild wyvern]

Oh hell nah lmao

[potent arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/nbgetsme-stan-twitter-girl-fire-fire-angry-gif-3616085898862372497

[wild wyvern]

is thst the 4gb one?

yeetus lmao

[golden stream]

Ye 4gb

[wild wyvern]

4gb is so crap man tbh

@real edge an good pc cost 4k + myr here

sucks alot

[golden stream]

And u know what

[real edge]

my pc cost me like

1500euro

ish

a bit more

[golden stream]

My 12th gen 4060 8g was 800-900USD

[real edge]

4080super and 5800x3d

[golden stream]

Decent spec and price tho

[wild wyvern]

True

[real edge]

4080super cost me 1100euro and 5800x3d cost me around 300 at the time

then my windows ssd cost me 30euro

2tb like uhh

180?

[golden stream]

I almost misread windows license

[wild wyvern]

Lmaoooo

I will looks ome more

@real edge

[real edge]

cpu cooler like 50

so about 1600 is accurate

[golden stream]

O, not bad, samey price here or even cheaper but OEM-worthy tho

[wild wyvern]

Thanks for giving advice tbh even tho i cant afford some stuffs

[real edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615731608607260672/1309740052926169171/82900820eecc094f97e956668e3ebf9c.gif

[wild wyvern]

It just sucks

[real edge]

first the monitor, then the cpu + mobo + ram, then the gpu, ideally

see if u can find stuff used

for monitor the one waffle linked you is good

the IPS one

[wild wyvern]

Yeh

It is

[real edge]

then ull be fit for the next few years, depending on what your standards are

and if u find an x3d cpu, even better

1080p is cpu bound for the most part

u can do it I believe in you

for gpu

the more time passes

I think the more ull find the rx 7600

https://www.bestprice.gr/item/2158697777/sapphire-radeon-rx-7600-8gb-gddr6-pulse-karta-grafikwn.html

but

ppl will be selling used 6600xt/6650xt

if u can endure used

if on a budget

explore the used market

thats my motto

[golden stream]

SEA used market is p fun ngl

It's a mix of local used and used CN import

[real edge]

@wild wyvern

[golden stream]

There are brands you never heard before as well lol

[potent arrow]

my friend has an all SEA PC build, it's so funny

broken English components

[golden stream]

IT IS LOL

[potent arrow]

his motherboard has a laptop fucking cpu

and it's translated to high-speed heatsink iirc

got it from the fucking markets

[golden stream]

There are rare brands as well like iColor, Colorful and stuff like that

[golden stream]

HOW TF

[real edge]

thats surprisingly common in SEA

ppl engineer all sorts of weird stuff

[potent arrow]

I think they repurpose laptop CPUs or something lmao, I see it a lot

[golden stream]

O wait, it does

[real edge]

to make work and sell

[potent arrow]

his gpu runs off three sata cables too

it's really funny

[real edge]

that sounds like something ud do ngl

[potent arrow]

I kinda wanna do it lol

it seems silly

why use three sata power

instead of PCIe power

[golden stream]

WHAT IS THAT JANK BLACK MAGIC

[potent arrow]

who, why

[golden stream]

Actually can tho

[potent arrow]

like thanks SEA market lol

[golden stream]

But iirc the janks are more in CN-obscure import stuff

But it does exist

And some voodoo black magic idk how

[potent arrow]

ikr

[golden stream]

come to SEA tho we have cheap and fresh food just don't expect much in tech lol

[potent arrow]

one day when I visit nam

Imma eat good and buy a weird piece of tech

[golden stream]

Yeshhhh

[potent arrow]

I really like

[golden stream]

We do have some strange phone brands as well, iirc CN import as well

[potent arrow]

just the weird case options too

yeah weird Android phones with mediakek

[real edge]

mediakek sounds like sth a world of warcraft player would come up with

[potent arrow]

his phone has three screens lmfao, it's running some Android icecream build with an old ass MediaTek soc

horrendous

[potent arrow]

MediaTek is budget soc and rammed into many cheap devices

[real edge]

didnt they start making endgame phone chips recently

like, actual decent ones

[golden stream]

Not sure but iirc they may

[real edge]

that somewhat compete

[golden stream]

Wait MediaTek right?

A lot of Mediatek goods here

But usually like DVD players stuff like that

[potent arrow]

they own SEA

[golden stream]

Yup

[potent arrow]

there's weird political reasons too iirc

but most things run off their socs not just phones

[golden stream]

You can see MediaTek in p much every car unless from rich af peep

And also SEA vehicles
Fun stuff

[wraith agate]

Whatever happened to Deawoo btw?

[shadow oracle]

better than qualcomm tbh

really good 5g modem

doesnt heat up as much

[sharp star]

Daewoo? Went under

[shadow oracle]

qualcomm's sd8e is good but its at the cost of worse heat management and power

and also it looks like they cant get good yields

[wraith agate]

How comes?

[real edge]

soon we will have phones with water cooling

[shadow oracle]

cos they've just relaunched the sd8e but with one big core disabled

[golden stream]

Ain't we alr have it?

Asus something something

[shadow oracle]

nah

[sharp star]

Deep shit during the Asian financial crisis in '97

[shadow oracle]

the uh

whats it called

[real edge]

gaming phones like the razer

and the asus I guess

[sharp star]

And by "deep shit" I mean a corruption scandal, which Daewoo's founder was found guilty of

[shadow oracle]

they arent watercooled

the whatsitcalled

nubia red magics now have a fan lol

[real edge]

as a millenial I remember daewoo

[shadow oracle]

its a bit of a dust magnet

also daewoo got bought by gm

the marque fell out of use in 2011

[wraith agate]

I see

[shadow oracle]

if youre asking about daewoo branded cars they were bought by GM and were largely rebranded and sold in australia as part of holden, or europe as ummm forgot what the eu marque is called

vauxhall and opel

[wraith agate]

Makes sense although Opel belongs to Audi

[shadow oracle]

opel was owned by gm until 2017 no?

[potent arrow]

holy shit my cousin got a 5090

https://tenor.com/view/bees-looking-at-cameron-knowing-he-is-the-bee-pokemon-gif-25278512

[wild wyvern]

I will look tbh

[golden stream]

HOW

They won the preorder lottery?

[potent arrow]

idk but they exist

[golden stream]

LE WOT

I mean some content creators got 5090 but if via buying/preordering, DEM

[potent arrow]

pretty sure it's a work thing

work.provided

[cerulean talon]

Yeh, could probally call up my old boss and do something similar

Dude gets pallets of hw straight from gigabyte ;.;

[potent arrow]

[cerulean talon]

It’s important to keep the right connections in case you ever reallly need some hardware

[golden stream]

Oh ok, work provided is more believable

[potent arrow]

gonna send msi to jail

spent most of my morning diagnosing a system at work

turns out the fucking motherboard is the problem

straight to jail

put a new board in

works magically

another system goes diwn

checks

same MSI motherboard

I hate it here

https://tenor.com/view/pukeko-baby-pukeko-bird-big-feet-baby-bird-gif-17348863752699685649

Oh well

[odd sand]

With my work laptop if I flex the case a certain way it grounds itself and hard resets

[potent arrow]

5hrs of work, time to buy more plastic

[real edge]

I hate it too tbh, I reinstalled windows, fresh install and changed SSD to get rid of the memory_management BSODs only for my new SSD and windows installation to be even more unstable than the previous ssd and windows installation lmao

[potent arrow]

it's not an MSI right

[real edge]

that should be an achievement

[odd sand]

Dell Lattitude

[potent arrow]

oh

call that dell tech

[odd sand]

The case is plastic so...

[potent arrow]

[shadow oracle]

yeah uh

its a work laptop

call their onsight support lol

[potent arrow]

dell tech hours

[odd sand]

It's honestly not a big deal as long as when I pick it up, I do it with 2 hands instead of carrying it at the corner

[shadow oracle]

no no call them anyway

[potent arrow]

so cooked

I'm about to get off call

and I just got another four cases

[shadow oracle]

and also this is why thonkpads are better]

[potent arrow]

screaming

ThinkPad suck now, the t480 was the last semi decent invincible thinkpad

[odd sand]

Do you have any idea how much of a PITA it would be for me to save all the shit that's not in my roaming profile, get a new unit, reinstall all the software and configure my personal settings etc?

[shadow oracle]

a mate of mine does sysadmin stuff for msft. This year australia day coincided with chinese new year. The entire MSFT and azure support staff for asia pacific shut

so this poor japanese customer got punted to msft nigeria

[wild wyvern]

Sheesh

[potent arrow]

yikes lmao

[odd sand]

When the only time the laptop isn't docked is if I'm deciding to be lazy and have it with me in the living room for a teams meeting and want to lounge on the couch or something

[potent arrow]

real

my latitude is suffering rn

[wild wyvern]

Anyone here knowledgable with phones?

[potent arrow]

I don't leave my office much

[shadow oracle]

sure whats up

[potent arrow]

ping ping ping ping ping
service now SHUT UP

[odd sand]

Also I kinda sorta spilled some liquid into it the first month I had it, so I don't want them to see the discoloration on the one side of the LCD panel lol

[potent arrow]

LOL

[shadow oracle]

yeah your warranty is gone

[wild wyvern]

@shadow oracle i scored an redmi 14 pro

[potent arrow]

Also I have my sidegig clients

[odd sand]

I'm content with just riding out the 5yr lifecycle of the unit and quietly exchanging it then...

[wild wyvern]

its my fathers phone but quite new since he xhanged to an s24

[shadow oracle]

note 14 pro? decent phone, midrange SoC, meh cameras, big screen

[odd sand]

Good thing is as long as you're using dark mode, you can't even see the discoloration, and most times I have it docked to twin monitors so it's not an issue

[shadow oracle]

basically just the most average phone to ever exist lmao

[real edge]

if I get another bsod I am just gonna put my ram to the default settings and see if its still unstable, if its not unstable ill just cry due to the fact that ill have to install new ram

[wild wyvern]

he got that phone for free too

[shadow oracle]

be like me and always run my PC on the edge of stability

[potent arrow]

that's it, the next person to ask me for tech help that is not in my service contract I'm gonna ramp service fee up like 2X

[wild wyvern]

@shadow oracle its from xiaomi

[shadow oracle]

hi google is disappeated pls help

[potent arrow]

bam

80$

NEXT

[shadow oracle]

oh Mi14 pro is very different to redmi note 14 pro lmao

the mi14 pro is decent

[wild wyvern]

Wait its redmi tbh

lmao

[shadow oracle]

bruh

one of them is a flagship and the other is a midrange

theyre quite different

[wild wyvern]

but i have an shite Samsung A02

rn

@shadow oracle

Hey atleast i got it for free lmao

[real edge]

I just had a thought

what about clearing cmos

[potent arrow]

@inland mauve I see you, you should know the access password I'm using rn is on the windows password hint field

I'm screaming

[real edge]

would that do anything with the memory_management bsods

[wild wyvern]

Nhadala

i think its ur ram issue

Idk

[real edge]

thats likely with me doing a windows fresh install and the problems still occuring

[shadow oracle]

itll be an upgrade to the a02 for sure lmao

[real edge]

im just trying to do other things first

[shadow oracle]

well itd reset your ram settings

have you reseated your ram?

[real edge]

like, would clearing cmos do anything

[shadow oracle]

are they overheating?

[wild wyvern]

Maybe not tbh

or its like an unstable ram

[shadow oracle]

clearing cmos doesnt really fix all that much but its one of the things where it might just fix it

had a gpu that a system refused to post with. tried everything, shorted cmos breaker and it immediately worked

[wild wyvern]

@real edge poor pc

[inland mauve]

[sharp star]

Multiple Serious Issues?

[wraith agate]

I hate reinstalling Windows

It takes forever

[real edge]

I resetted bios to optimized defaults

lets see if the system is stable now

[real edge]

discord crashed after resetting to optimized defaults

hmmm

idk what it is now

[wild wyvern]

@shadow oracle sorry my new phone is an redmi 12 pro 5g

But still good tbh

[wild wyvern]

Man is it your ram dying?

[real edge]

idk

I still do not know what the cause is

[wild wyvern]

Sheesh lol

[real edge]

multiple ppl told me doing a fresh install of windows and a new ssd would solve it, but I am still getting instabilities

look

either way

im still glad to have gotten a new ssd and reinstalled windows

[wild wyvern]

Ah

Whew

[late basalt]

I’m… not sure what to make of this recent addition

[lost python]

?

[late basalt]

Never new Walmart carried welding stuff

[kind rune]

Ya know

Ahh nevermind

[real edge]

yeah....

even my launched games are crashing now

this is fucked

I do not even know whats wrong at this point

I REINSTALLED WINDOWS

THIS SHOULDNT BE HAPPENING

[dull garnet]

run a memtest

[potent arrow]

I've told him this multiple times already...

[dull garnet]

oopsz

[real edge]

is there a chance that it might be an aging PSU or no chance?

my psu is also fairly old like 6 years

maybe a bit more

[glossy ravine]

I should probably replace the thermal paste in my system. I haven't changed it since I got my 5800X3D back in 2020.

Any suggestions?

[potent arrow]

I always use thermal grizzle

For basically all my clients now

artic silver if you wanna budget

[glossy ravine]

(The temps went to 90c when compiling shaders for FF16.

Typically sits at 67-73ish when under load

[dull garnet]

that's impressive considering the 5800x3d came out in 2022

[glossy ravine]

2022*

Fumbled input

[potent arrow]

I hate to tell ya this but lmao, I dont really like when people waste my time like this:
Ive given a lot of my time to help you troubleshoot or give you directions,
Clear straight cut advice, directions and all ya have done is jumped to different solutions and it really makes
It difficult to troubleshoot and costly on your side even. Tbh I've put more time in then some of my actual service clients.
So hey, if you need advice. Peek at the steps Ive sent in your DMs a while a go. I get it, and youve said it yourself, not everyone is
comfortable with troubleshooting and stuff. But follow your own advice, if someone who is more knowledgeable on the topic gives ya advice
follow it. Thats all.

[real edge]

sorry, ill call my friend tomorrow and we will do a memtest together

I was just waiting to do the win reinstall and ssd change cause I was told by my friend that it should be the key priority

but since the problems still happening I want to knock out ram once and for all

I doubt my friend will charge me again since I paid 50euro for him to fix my problem lol

[potent arrow]

If we started with the free mem test you couldve avoided all of this tbh

maybe not the windows install but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Anyways I have to unfuck this god damn airport lol brb

[real edge]

think about it this way, the ssd and windows reinstall was gonna have to happen eventually, the ssd was corrupted and old

we just expedited the process

and I am very happy we finally did

the windows reinstall was a haunting specter

always in the back of my head as an eventual inevitability

so doing the clean install is a big weight off my shoulders

even if this annoying memory_management issue persists

glass half full

also got rid of an old, corrupted ssd

you know

I feel very tech literate

and very tech illiterate

at the same time

I guess this is what happens when u rely on the same person to build you your PCs and troubleshoot for 17 YEARS

I know that guy for more than half my life wtf

but you know, ever since I restored optimized defaults, my discord and firefox have been crashing less

its just steam and my games now

[dull garnet]

do you not have a usb to make a bootable memtest86?

[wide hill]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1igt5ty/lots_of_nvidia_geforce_rtx_5090_5090d_gpus_are/

imagine buying a 5000 usd graphics card only to die on you

nvm setting the slot to pcie4 fixes it

[dull garnet]

yeah optimum mentioned that

[sly elk]

if your machine was being crashy while installing windows that could've been a good sign it wasn't the ssd

[real edge]

ohh it was not while installing

[sly elk]

but i do agree my first check with crashy crashes would be something like memtest86 on a usb stick

[real edge]

just after the re-install

which was odd when it first happened

[sly elk]

and then taking all the ram sticks out and trying 1 at a time

[real edge]

but now im gonna do a memtest

[sly elk]

and if that didn't find the issue, then 1 at a time in different slots

also if your motherboard/cpu support onboard video, maybe try running without the gpu

just keyboard/mouse/monitor directly plugged into the motherboard and nothing else

[real edge]

5800x3d does not have an APU

unfortunately

[odd sand]

Have you tried running the ram at defaults instead of XMP or whatnot?

[real edge]

yuh

[odd sand]

Or whatever AMD calls it

[real edge]

its a bit more stable

than with xmp on

but still discord crashes and my games crash

etc

[odd sand]

Could try with only 1 stick of memory then the other one and try to see if it's isolated to 1 of them. Or if you have someone you know on an AM4 system that could let you borrow their ram for a bit

[real edge]

this is a fresh re-install with a new ssd so anything to do with windows is excluded from being an issue, so now we move to testing ram

memtest and sticks if memtest finds nothing

[odd sand]

tbf if it said memory management issue, that would have been the first thing I would have done, but it sounds like you wanted to do it either way

[real edge]

my ssd was like

8+ yrs old

and had like 10+ boot partitions

[paper tusk]

win+r, mdsched (for windows memory dx)

[real edge]

so it was about time

my old ssd still works fine

its just corrupted in several areas

a ticking bomb essentially

[odd sand]

My only bugaboo atm is not being able to figure out why unreal dedicated server refuses to allow internet connections. They seem them but says timed out every time

Modem is set to passthru, router has the ports forwarded and windows firewall is similarly configured. No dice.

[real edge]

have u set one of the ports on your modem as lan?

and run the connection from that port?

passthrough is correct yea

but I also had to set a port specifically to act as lan and close/turn off wi-fi and firewall on the modem

[odd sand]

Yep, I have the firewall and wifi turned off on it and have it set to passthru. No packet filtering/shaping either.

Could it be because they're in 2 different subnets? The modem uses 192.168.1.0/25 and I have the router using 192.168.2.1.0/24

[cerulean talon]

Shouldn't matter, though really, if the modem's in auctual passthrough mode, it won't show you an IP address in any range other than your public one.

[sly elk]

i wonder if the corruption was caused by bad memory

and yea the power supply could be causing all of this
I had a pesky crashing issue when my 3080ti was new, and it turned out it was the power supply.

and that was an evga 750 g3 power supply, so in theory it should've been fine

[paper tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1154908647688777798/1335907363911110719/qdKAJ5v.mp4?ex=67a288ef&is=67a1376f&hm=661112953c3bf0f7645c565bc3da1d8f493705447e4d4e15f4ac76061f24ffc7&

[odd sand]

Yeah, I even did the steam api call and it comes back as success, sees the server IP properly etc.

[odd sand]

@cerulean talon Have any other ideas for what I could try? Incoming windows firewall is set for all apps 7777,7778,27015 UDP. Those ports forwarded to my desktop in the router, and modem is all setup for passthru. Public IP is showing as my ISP-assigned IP and steam API returns success contacting the game server

listening flag is also set when launching the dedicated server

[cerulean talon]

How's the modem setup for passthru exactly? Is it auctually passing through, or is it need to be configured for it's own port forwarding?

Or I guess more correctly, the better question here is what modem is it?

[golden stream]

Here I thought 3-4 boot partition is alr bad enough

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/om21ROB1IMQ?si=pyknURynEYl2UCit @potent arrow 4 cylinder turbo 911 and Ruf CTR

or sorry V6

there are only a few of the V6's left as it was an old old project in the 80's

and the current company that made the 11 of the modern 930's with the V6's shoved up the ass got permission from McLaren to produce it as the engine was made by Porsche for McLaren

In the 1980s, Porsche built twin-turbocharged 1.5-litre V6 engines for the McLaren Formula One team. The engine was given the code TTE P01 and was fitted in the McLaren MP4/2 and MP4/3 generating 760–1,014 PS (559–746 kW; 750–1,000 hp) depending on track conditions. The engine was financed by Luxembourgian holdings company Techniques d'Avant Garde (TAG), leading to the engine being branded as the TAG Turbo. A Porsche 930 Turbo was used as a test mule by McLaren in order to test the engine's capability. The car was exterior-wise similar to the standard 930 Turbo but featured RUF sourced wheels instead of the standard Fuchs units, a taller whale tail rear spoiler in order to accommodate a large pair of intercoolers and a new front bumper. The changes to the interior consisted of racing bucket seats and a new TAG branded tachometer with a 10,000 rpm redline.

In September 2018, English automotive company Lanzante introduced a new model based on the same principle at the RennSport Reunion VI. The company obtained permission from McLaren to produce the model and bought 11 of those engines originally installed in the F1 cars for this purpose from the manufacturer. Cosworth is tasked to restore the engines. Each of the 11 cars fitted with the engines would come with a plaque signifying the engine's race history, engine number and the car's production number. The Lanzante display car's engine was originally fitted in 1984 to Niki Lauda's MP4/2 in which he won the British GP.

*I said that this was the Lauda engine car but it is not, although Lauda's engine is in a car with the same color

[cerulean talon]

Phase change cooling for the modern era.

[sly elk]

yea who needs the tiny little pathetic asetek cooler from the 2000s

just se a full up mini split condenser lmao 😄

i do think it's amusing that this is how asetek started out

iirc someone sold a powermac clone in that case too

[shadow oracle]

Lmao is this chiphell

[shadow oracle]

Minisplit? Eww we use triple cascades here

[sly elk]

idk what that even is

[shadow oracle]

3 stage condenser cooling lmao

[wild wyvern]

@real edgeif i cant find an rx 6600 what should i get?

[real edge]

did u check the used market?

check RX 6600 XT as well and 6650 XT

[wild wyvern]

i saw some rx 6600xt

[wild wyvern]

@real edgehttps://shopee.com.my/PROMOTION-USED-GPU-READY-STOCK-AMD-RTX-RX5700XT-RX5600XT-GTX1660SUPER-RX6600XT-RTX3060-Ti-RTX3070RTX2060S-RTX2060--i.1290400725.28959434191?sp_atk=eaae43c1-3a86-4769-88a1-17ba6e966ecd&xptdk=eaae43c1-3a86-4769-88a1-17ba6e966ecd

[golden stream]

is anyone have experience in buying used HDD? I need one or two for data archiving in few days (and also archiving for work)

[shadow oracle]

Why are you so insistent on shopee? Why not carousell?

Shopee prices are always gonna be higher

[golden stream]

possibly bonus point/vouchers

but I can tell that shopee's price is quite high, even higher than lazada, at least in my place

[wild wyvern]

can use coins too

xD

[shadow oracle]

Is it worth paying more for worse just to use coins?...

[golden stream]

coin + vouchers can slash some hefty price

but still, recommend to have a look at Carousell

some may have both shopee and carousell at the same time tho

[shadow oracle]

Like a 3060ti is almost the same price
https://www.carousell.com.my/p/rtx-3060ti-pny-graphic-card-1340099905/

[wild wyvern]

im not gonna use carousell tbh

[golden stream]

why tho

better price + MY/SG native

and unless if u have a f load of usable coin + voucher, shopee would be relatively more expensive

[wild wyvern]

cuz some need meetup

[golden stream]

even better

bc if there are issue, RMA via shopee is a huge headache

I found at least Laz RMA is somewhat easier than shopee

and at least you can make sure that you will hold the card and verify when meeting up tho

[wild wyvern]

im for sure not gonna drive to an faraway place just for that tbh

[golden stream]

that's why u check filter lol

[wild wyvern]

https://www.carousell.com.my/p/zotac-twin-edge-rtx3060-12-gb-1343983483/?t-id=wF276K6UJg_1738666190063&t-referrer_browse_type=seller&t-referrer_page_type=profile&t-referrer_request_id=7D5EDqbt8Y4u8Q7_&t-tap_index=22 oh

i saw an rtx 3060

[shadow oracle]

Yeah no 3060 is worse than 6600xt

Just look at this and figure it out man

Better at 4k because it becomes vram constrained

[royal forge]

Jeez. Shop sellin a 3.5 splitter to audio in and out and they charge 25 ringgit while online stores hav em for 5

No wonder ya'all dont hav customers

[lost python]

but you gotta shop local to support your local shops

who resell the exact same shit at 300% the price

[royal forge]

For five times the price

[lost python]

[royal forge]

And shittier quality

It looks like the TV 3.5 jacks

[lost python]

my local electronics stores all sell the same china amazon cables & stuff but often for 35-50€ instead of 9.
they really bank on those people who need a cable today

[real edge]

the issue with my pc was indeed the ram, I ran windows memory diagnostics(lol) and even it found hardware problems

[royal forge]

Yeah. Nah. Not that despo

[royal forge]

Time for upgrade Nhad

[real edge]

if even the shitty windows tools find an issue with the ram

then its the ram

[real edge]

I ordered new ddr4 ram

[royal forge]

Nice

[real edge]

same specs as my old cause I literally couldn't find any better

[royal forge]

?????

[real edge]

3600mhz cl16

its good

[royal forge]

Ah

[real edge]

only upgrade to that is cl14 which is impossible to find in the EU

and my cpu is an x3d one

[royal forge]

True

[real edge]

so memory is not a huge deal just for 2 memory thingie

[hazy frost]

A lot of them have the same timings as the cl16 kits except primary anyway

So ur not missing much

It’s like ddr5 some of the lower latency kits aren’t rly any better with the same tertiary timings they have basically the same bandwidth

[real edge]

im just glad I finally found the fucking problem

thankfully for the shitty diagnostic tools

but even if the shitty ones find a problem then that is the problem 100%

[hazy frost]

Ram is easy to physically troubleshoot if it’s not ram it becomes less fun to work out what it is

I don’t have spare stuff lying around for my pc now it’s am5 to swap stuff out

[real edge]

but if the windows memory diagnostic tools found an issue then it 100% is the RAM, right?

id assume so since the ram is what the tool tests

[hazy frost]

Probably, u can test it by just using 1 stick of ram at a time u could see if one stick is bad

[real edge]

and I got a popup after it finished saying I have a memory issue

[hazy frost]

It would be pretty unlucky if it was all of the ram at that point

Windows diagnostic tool is correct sometimes but it’s also prone to just saying I dunno probably ram

[real edge]

I reinstalled windows, fresh install

and was still getting the same instabilities

[hazy frost]

I’d use memtest instead of the windows tool

Or physically test by using one stick at a time and see if there’s issues on any of them individually

Or both

[real edge]

I cannot use it myself, I do not have a usb drive

so I just ran the windows tools as a shitty backup and it found an issue

[hazy frost]

I see

Did u check the sticks individually tho

U might as well see

[real edge]

I do not have the confidence to do that

last time I messed with my pc I broke my motherboard

[hazy frost]

Rip

I mean u have to take it out anyway to replace the ram anyway tho don’t u

[real edge]

someone else will do it for me

we already scheduled a memtest so im just waiting for a phone call and ill tell them I ordered new ram

[hazy frost]

I see

I mean usually when windows finds an issue that it thinks is ram it probably is bc the other options aren’t as common to go wrong

What ram did u have for ddr4

[real edge]

some gskill riptide

[hazy frost]

If it’s the corsair LPX one everyone had I wouldn’t be surprised the quality was abysmal on those

[real edge]

3600mhz cl16

I got the trident neo z now

[hazy frost]

They both should be fine it’s just luck whether something is wrong

They’re a certain chance it’s not the ram but it’s pretty unlikely so I wouldn’t worry too much

[real edge]

if its not the windows re-install or the ram then what else could it even be tbh

memory_management is the BSOD

99% chance its either windows or the ram with that

[hazy frost]

Windows BSOD codes are ambiguous sometimes which is frustrating, it’s 99% gonna be ram but if it isn’t it’s a pain to work out

Either way dw about it until you’ve tried new ram bc it’s a low chance that’s not the issue

[wild wyvern]

hmmm do i upgrade my cpu and monitor first before gpu

[sharp star]

Windows BSOD codes are written in an ancient language only Microsoft engineers can understand

[hazy frost]

U can work it out eventually bc of how ancient it is there’s enough posts online to trace what it most likely is

But it’s not fun

There are some that genuinely are just useless like last time the code I got was just it could be everything inside ur pc that’s broken and it turned out to be ram again

[hazy frost]

I think u probably should the gpu u have will manage at 1080p still for a while until u can upgrade it

[shadow oracle]

could pull one stick and use the other for now

[wild wyvern]

yeah cpu is old

i dont really play the latest like indiana jones etc

[hazy frost]

Cpu is more important, u can just turn down graphics settings if u have to at 1080p and it’ll work

[shadow oracle]

eh theres minidump files you can read

[hazy frost]

U can get 60fps in medium settings in most games up until the last couple years

[shadow oracle]

and also on top of that event viewer can see problems

and the messages here are actually useful

oh btw @real edge if you want to make sure its ram and not windows, you can flash this onto a USB and test
https://www.memtest86.com/

that will catch memory problems

[real edge]

I dont have a usb

sadly

[shadow oracle]

rip

alternatively this could work if you boot into safe mode
https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

testmem5 is what I personally use to verify memory stability

[glossy ravine]

I was thinking I could get a case swap and swap from an Air Cooler to a Liquid cooler now that I feel more comfortable building them. (I do such for work.)

That would probably fix my temp issues and then some.

Also be a chance to redo my. Frankly God awful cable management. (First ever build and I never really went back to fix it.)

[hazy frost]

case swap probably, what cpu do u have that would need liquid cooling tho

the best air coolers on the market can keep basically everything at a usable temperature

between the frozn a720, nh d15, and PA140 u can keep everything at 85c or under

[glossy ravine]

5800x3d

[sharp star]

That doesn't need liquid, nor do later X3D chips

[hazy frost]

yeah it doesnt rly get incredibly hot, a bit worse than the 5700x

[hazy frost]

just get one of the higher end air coolers theyre like $30-60

aios dont rly do much besides having more moving parts to go wrong

[wild wyvern]

@golden stream do u expect that rx 6600 will be back or no

[golden stream]

maybe

[gentle star]

I want to add that while this is a factor, a non-negligibke thing AIOs have over air coolers is a greater volume of fluid that has a significantly higher specific heat capacity (by design as heat pipe coolant is designed to be able to evaporate so as to take advantage of latent heat physics)

What this means functionally is that an AIO fluid will act like a buffer that absorbs transient temperature spikes and dissipates them over time, rather than a heat pipe coolant which extracts the heat and immediately dumps it into the cooling fins.

What this means in practice is that air coolers will ramp up the fans rapidly in response to temperature spikes, which depending on your sensitivity to change, can be annoying. Whereas an AIO will ramp up based on water temp and will do so gradually up and down

Oh charts, AIO and air are shown to be the same because testers are testing to the absolute heat saturation point of both types of coolers. This happens when rendering videos or running simulations but during gaming, the load and core temps fluctuate a lot

There is tons to be said about the reliability and economy of air, but AIOs do have the buffer physics on its list of upsides

[hazy frost]

Everything there can be negated by custom fan curves tho

Running stock fan curves on any cooler is kind of eh

Especially if u care about noise

[gentle star]

I reread my message at the same time as posting and feel there is no way you actually read what I wrote

[hazy frost]

I read it

[gentle star]

What I said cannot be negated by custom fan curves because such curves must operate with input from a specific temp sensor. If that sensor is the core sensor, it will still ramp up and down as it spikes from 40c to 80c under transient loads

[hazy frost]

Also if ur sensitive to noise the sound of most AIO pumps at idle is arguably more annoying than anything else

[gentle star]

If you get a crappy pump sure

[hazy frost]

None of them are quiet

[gentle star]

And run it at max speed perhaps

Mine is silent lol

[hazy frost]

Depends how sensitive u are to noise

[gentle star]

The noise sensitivity I mentioned isn't referring to total noise level. I specifically said sensitivity to change

[hazy frost]

They are louder than air coolers at low loads and gaming generally because the pump is louder than low rpm fans

[gentle star]

I.e. intermittent and unpredictable ramp ups

[hazy frost]

If ur running anything more cpu intensive then AIOs are arguably less annoying because the noise level overall is less and can be more consistent but given it’s an x3d cpu I’m assuming it’s mostly gaming

[gentle star]

I do music production in a silent environment and am very sensitive to noise level, my AIO has been great for noise

It is very cpu intensive

My point remains that aios do in fact have a trait beyond additional parts to break

[hazy frost]

Anecdotes from anyone aren’t really helpful bc it’s personal preference

[gentle star]

And if you're presenting an option to someone it's not a bad thing to include mentions of those things

[dull garnet]

my peerless assassin 120 se keeps my 5800x3d in check

[gentle star]

It's not even anecdote I studied thermodynamics in college it's just physics

[hazy frost]

Pretty much any of the good dual tower coolers would

[hazy frost]

Thermodynamics have nothing to do with how someone is going to perceive the audible qualities each have

[gentle star]

You seem very keen to defend something I never attacked btw

May wanna note nowhere did I say explicitly that either air or water was superior over the other, I love air coolers

[hazy frost]

If u think so

Sure

But that’s not what im doing

[gentle star]

But it's just plain inaccurate to say that the only thing AIOs have is more parts to break

It's just plain incorrect

[hazy frost]

I mean if u can’t see the obvious simplification there I can’t help u

Im not including anything else because its not a relevant factor in actually using them in a real life scenario

[sly elk]

my thing with AIO coolers is I've used several over the years and aside from the crappy asetek that my alienware machine came with, they never break

[gentle star]

Then you should clarify that when you suggest a part to someone tbh

[sly elk]

like i've had 2 make it to the 5 year mark with no issues

[gentle star]

Rather than a general statement that aios don't have anything else going for em

[sly elk]

a giant block of aluminum will last forever, that is hard to argue with

[gentle star]

Their situation could change in the future, or someone else could read it and not get the full picture

[hazy frost]

No offence but that’s insane bc no one explains every aspect of the physics behind two options if it’s not relevant to the actual usage in practice

It doesn’t actually make a difference when it comes to using it which is why I didn’t include it

[sly elk]

but spending $150 on a fancy aio vs $70 on a nice heatsink doesn't really..

i spent more on led fans

[gentle star]

Saying "aios are less sensitive to random temp spikes and won't ramp fans up like air coolers" isn't explaining every aspect of the physics

[sly elk]

and there are cheaper aios

[gentle star]

I explained the physics so you as an advice giver would know why

[hazy frost]

And again the fan curve could resolve that which is why I don’t believe it’s relevant

[hazy frost]

I’m aware of how it works don’t worry lol

[sly elk]

so if you're not budget sensitive do whatever you please

[gentle star]

Except fan curves don't solve transient temp spikes lol

[hazy frost]

They don’t solve that no but they solve the end result of fans ramping up and down constantly in a way that’s arguably annoying to people using it

I’m not arguing against the physics each have on their side I’m just saying it can be negated fairly easily which makes it not worth considering generally

If it’s used consistently in something where it’s cpu heavy it becomes somewhat relevant but imo neither are particularly quiet at that point

[dull garnet]

lots of lovely options for fan timings and such in fan control

[sly elk]

my favorite thing about aios is using the radiator as an exhaust

because you blast the heat straight out

[hazy frost]

Not all AIOs have coolant temp sensors either which means they’re working off the same information as air coolers

[gentle star]

Pretty sure at this point it's more than fair to say that the overwhelming majority of aios do in fact have water temp sensors

[sly elk]

i'm kinda surprised nobody's bothered trying to make a motherboard that communicates that info out

[gentle star]

They're not an expensive feature to include

[sly elk]

like a temperature output interface

so that you could plug the aio in and it'd know what the cpu temp is

[gentle star]

They were pretty standard even like 5-7 years ago

[sly elk]

idk

a lot of aios still use the motherboard water pump header?

[hazy frost]

actually not many of them do rn

[sly elk]

in fact i think the only ones that don't are corsair ones

[hazy frost]

The best ones on the market still don’t all have water temp sensors

And the ones that do are often the considerably more expensive ones

Iirc the LF3 still doesn’t have it as an option

The pump noise on that is also pretty bad tho it’s $100 so it’s fair enough for being the best 360mm AIO

U can have a fixed fan speed or very gentle curve for most gaming and non intensive tasks that minimise noise anyway because air coolers are so overkill for anything below the top of the line CPUs rn

If it were the 5950x or 13/14900k it could be more difficult

[sly elk]

i do feel like the more sophisticated systems are worth it for the ability to tweak fan curves on the fly

not that you ever do that past the first few weeks

[hazy frost]

I feel like if u have that much money it’s worth considering custom loops as well

It’s doable in the same amount of money as some of the premium AIOs

[sly elk]

it's still quite a jump

[hazy frost]

It’s more annoying to maintain as well tho

[sly elk]

but putting the gpu opn a waterblock would be huge

[hazy frost]

CPU only loop is just about same price as the expensive AIOs that are top performing

Gpu block makes it a lot more expensive lol

Would be worth it for people who are ok with it

Also no deepcool in US now means losing some of the better budget ish AIOs

[sly elk]

aye

hmm

[hazy frost]

Thermalright have them but they’re kind of barebones for features

The thermalrighr ones were rly good specifically on lga1700 though for some reason

I can’t remember why

[sly elk]

idkl why people keep recommending the arctic one because the mounting system seems a pain in the butt

[hazy frost]

Because it’s $100 and performs as well as the $250 ones

The LF2 was the same

[sly elk]

"you can lease a cybertruck for 749 a month"
-stocks up on more eye bleach-

[hazy frost]

But the LF3 pump is more whiny than LF2 I think

It’s more annoying to my ears anyway

Doesn’t it come with an offset for the new one as well which makes it better for certain platforms

[glad dove]

well, say goodbye to the fancy 2800$ asus astral 5090 and hello to the same fancy tariffed one at 3100$

[signal fable]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-reaction-information-my-reaction-to-that-information-my-honest-reaction-to-that-information-gif-613275461876515673

My god what are this prices

[glad dove]

nvidia is scalping the consumers cause they can scalp the datacenters for 40x that

[dire viper]

Mehhhhh

They’ve been scalping for longer

And also the commercial get discount for bulk

Someone in here has a commercial account and was posting the pricing difference on hardware

Wholesale pricing is very very low

[hazy frost]

How can u say that when u get 1 month free Adobe cloud

They’re practically giving things away here

Tbf tho the asus rog products are always garbage bc they’re like 30% extra markup over other overpriced ones minimum and they give the worst customer service/warranty on them to top it off

The 4090s were terrible too

The gigabyte zotac PNY and palit ones look alright

Gainward had a cheap one for the 4090 too iirc

[glossy ravine]

I have a Deepcool AK620, got it before you know. They proved to be an awful company.

I don't think my airflow is the most optimal either. So that could definitely be a factor.

[hazy frost]

When did deepcool prove to be an awful company

They got banned by the US for US hating countries things

Allegedly for selling in certain countries but it’s just for civilian consumers so

Their products and business practices seem to be fine still

The best air coolers are Thermalright, ID cooling, and noctua anyway

[glossy ravine]

I should probably just apply Occam's Razor and replace the thermal paste. It's just getting such a chonky cooler off is a pain.

[hazy frost]

U might as well try that first

The ak620 is fairly good despite not being near the best anymore so it should be enough

More likely to be ur case if its restricting airflow

[glossy ravine]

It still typically runs fine. It's just that, again. When compiling shaders for FF16, according to Ryzen Master, it went 90c

Outside of that, it's at a fairly safe temp, even with the Thermal paste being a few years old.

[hazy frost]

That’s rough

The 5800x3d can have some issues with how hot it runs but 90 is more like what u should get in stress tests than gaming

I think a lot of people who own one have an undervolt as well though

Like -20 maybe 25 all core seems to be consistent on them

[glossy ravine]

Should I run a stress test and see if it goes up to 90c again or

[hazy frost]

U can do it shouldn’t cause much damage if it does just close it bc u won’t need to run the whole thing

I’d go with changing thermal paste then UV if that doesn’t work potentially

And if u don’t have a case with a mesh front for airflow then replace that too

[glossy ravine]

I have the NZXT H510 compact atx midtower case.

[hazy frost]

Oh yeah that one specifically is known for terrible airflow

[glossy ravine]

So, it doesn't have the flow mesh thing

[hazy frost]

Yeah that’s certainly not going to be helping the temp situation

But it might be made usable by new thermal paste if that’s an issue and then an undervolt is a lot cheaper than a new case

But I do believe a case with actual airflow would be a big improvement especially for extended periods of gaming/more intensive workloads

[dull garnet]

i don't think i'd get 90 even under p95

but my case isn't a joke

[hazy frost]

The h510 sure was smth

[glossy ravine]

Was relying on my Older sibling's advice and he recommended that case to me

So I got it.

(He also got a decent discount for it.)

[hazy frost]

I mean at the time it came out people liked it for the aesthetic

Thermals were always pretty bad tho

Kind of inherent to any case where airflow is restricted to cm wide vents on the side

If u can afford a new one I would upgrade it eventually even if not rn bc it would make thermals a lot better but like I said u can try a couple other things first anyway

[dull garnet]

could you just remove the front panel?

assuming you don't have pets or children

[glossy ravine]

Have 3 cats

[dull garnet]

cute

[hazy frost]

That’s the other issue with those lol

U can’t

The elite one and the flow u can

But the regular compact it’s more permanently fixed- u COULD take it off bc it’s not one piece iirc but it would involve separating it more permanently

[dull garnet]

do you own a drill...

[hazy frost]

Lmao

Honestly a better case now is like $50 anyway so it’s a fairly cheap upgrade it’s just annoying to move everything over

[dull garnet]

huh, gf was complaining that her pc was louder and i didn't really agree but looking in fan control it looks as if pwm control has been lost. it runs at 100% no matter what. cooler master quality for you

[hazy frost]

Lmao

Cooler master make some good products tbh just a lot of terrible ones too

[odd sand]

Dynamic mic came in the mail today ... the typing sounds annoying all my friends have been vanquished /s

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/163886330454081538/1336428916914786364/IMG_20250204_141107.jpg?ex=67a3c5eb&is=67a2746b&hm=3abb59e599040031f32b51df34fa940f0b88a4204d2c1f962b2e17a698aed529&

[dull garnet]

i bumped the case a little while moving it to one side to get the panel off and its behaving again... i've got some corsair ml120 spare i can swap out should i need to luckily

[odd sand]

I have a grumbly fan, but it only does it on boot, then after it runs for 1-2 mins it quiets down to normal. Very strange.

[glossy ravine]

What case would yall recommend i swap to if I do go that route

ATX, preferably compact, with good airflow and easy cable management.

[dull garnet]

i'd probably get a corsair 3000d or 4000d, or maybe a fractal torrent compact

[glossy ravine]

I'm not a fan (heh) of Corsair's Icue software. It's just. A headache imo

That said, Fractal's cases are nearly double the price.

Really

I'm very much a function over form kind of person. I don't have any rgb in my build.

[hazy frost]

Where are u from

[glossy ravine]

US.

[hazy frost]

probably something like the montech air 903 or phanteks XT pro then

The base models of both only come with a couple fans but I assume u have enough to fill the rest already from the old case

They’re about $50-65

[dire viper]

Fractal Pop Air is like 80 bucks

[glossy ravine]

Uh. I never added fans. Only used the ones included in the case

[hazy frost]

Well I’d get those as well then

U can get like a 5 pack of the p12 max for $20 or something

Nvm it’s $35 now

Well most cases come with 1-3 fans included anyway

The air 903 base comes with 3 140mm fans iirc and the phanteks XT pro comes with 1 and the pro ultra has 4

Theyre $65, $50, and $85 respectively tho

The XT pro is one of the best cheap cases rn imo

[sly elk]

i used icue to set my fan curves and that's about it

oh right and the rgb

you don't have to leave icue running

the caveat to that with their AIOs is your only options for temperature source are the coolant temp, or the temp probes you attach to the commander hub

but using it for fan curve setting? i always found it great

beats the hell out of trying to do it with the motherboard's fan controller

[hazy frost]

I used to have it bc my psu is supported in the software but I got so sick of it I don’t use it now lmao

[shadow oracle]

@glossy ravine @sly elk just use openrgb and fancontrol lol

Y'all don't need to have stupid manufacturer software's installed

[shadow oracle]

Coolant temp is enough for CLCs, if the coolant temp isn't rising then turning up the fan isnt gonna do anything

[wild wyvern]

@real edge4060 or 6700xt

[real edge]

6700xt

did u find one used?

[wild wyvern]

i did

[real edge]

6700xt will be a great buy for you I think

thats great

6700xt + 5700x/5700x3d

is a good gaming system

[wild wyvern]

1.2k used

[real edge]

thats good for u tho

270usd is decent

[real edge]

so it seems abouuut right

6700xt is a good value card

you get 12 gigs of vram and decent performance

it will be good

1200myr is good

decent to good

so if u get a 5700x/5700x3d

and a 6700xt

as well as a 1080p display

ull be set for a long time

and every game will run decently well to good

[dull garnet]

seconding arctic cooling fans, they're cheap and good

[wild wyvern]

@real edge I'm told brand new 4060 is better cuz got warranty

[real edge]

the 4060 will have warranty yes but its also a bad card

[wild wyvern]

How so

[real edge]

8gigs of vram

same performance as the 3060ti

ull get dlss and such but

4060 is a bad card

unless u can get it for super cheap I wouldn't even consider it tbh

the 6700xt is better

20% better give or take

[wild wyvern]

There's an 4060 that's the same price as 6700xt used

But I'm just worried that when it comes then the GPU goes boom

I'm just afraid it's an mining card

[real edge]

isnt your current 580 a mining card

[wild wyvern]

Yeah but I got one that was faulty before I got this

[real edge]

just ask the seller if the card is a mining card

u can ask em

[wild wyvern]

which was an rx 480 in disguise

[real edge]

in most used websites u can contact the seller

"What was the graphics card used for and for how long?"

ask them this

[dull garnet]

also keep in mind a 4060 has an 8x pcie 4 interface. if you don't have a pcie 4 motherboard at least you'll be operating at 8x pcie 3

which is going to severely limit performance. not suitable for old platforms

also a card being mined on doesn't mean anything

[wild wyvern]

@dull garnet I'm going to change my CPU and motherboard

[golden stream]

lol ngl that's why I aim for 3060/3060Ti lmao

like the sole reason I got 4060 mobile because it was the only one that has 8GB vram, if not for that I would aim for 4070 but for much higher price tho

[real edge]

now u can see the end vision of your setup

its much more concrete if you get a good reply for the used 6700xt

[sharp star]

If you can't get the 6700XT then the 7700XT is an acceptable alternative

[golden stream]

but depend on the market tho

[sharp star]

Yeah

[golden stream]

SEA is saturated w nvidia cards

spot an AMD card is like seeing an unicorn irl

[wild wyvern]

yeaaaa

amd is so rare

ive went and looked many times

also like viy said

amd cards are non existant

[golden stream]

almost, not none

[wild wyvern]

i mean yeah almost

[golden stream]

then again usually peep here are kinda happy with xx50 4gb or whatever crap

iirc only streamer and whoever have $ able to afford more expensive cards

[wild wyvern]

i have to go look again soon

[wild wyvern]

rx 6660 is like 900 myr

the pdf say got but idk when i go there got or no

[wild wyvern]

https://www.tmt.my/products/sapphire-rx-7700-xt-pulse-oc-12gb-gddr6-192bit-graphics-card

2.6k myr is an oof price

[sharp star]

💀

[golden stream]

oh Sapphire

it's like EVGA of AMD

p gud ye

[wild wyvern]

2.6k tho yikes

[golden stream]

Pulse is decent, akin to Super in nvidia, Nitro is like Ti at the green team

well ngl if I go to AMD I'll get Sapphire stuff

[real edge]

yea dont get it for that much

the 1200myr 6700xt is good enough

[wild wyvern]

still waiting for an response

[golden stream]

can wait till next week

post-CNY slow brain lol

[wild wyvern]

im not upgrading this soon

but i know what cpu i want

[hazy frost]

What? The performance isn’t any different it’s just branding

It’s just slightly different clock speeds as u get with AMD or Nvidia outside of reference models and founders edition

The parent company who makes the reference cards for AMD also owns sapphire tho so it’s possible they’re of a similar quality

Sapphire is akin to PNY or EVGA for Nvidia

[dull garnet]

It's amusing when they slap a 20MHz OC on cards and sell them as the OC model. I mean it's technically correct lol

[hazy frost]

Technically..

Some of them have a reasonable oc on high end ones

And tbf the 6950xt was also just a 6900xt lmao

With a memory OC

[dull garnet]

Yeah but for the premium you're paying it's never worth it unless you're flush with cash

Those palit hall of fame cards are amusing

[hazy frost]

yeah I mean a few years ago maybe cooling mattered but every model u can buy is chunky now

[hazy frost]

They’re beautiful

[dull garnet]

I was wondering if any cards had dual 12vhpwr plugs and lo and behold their 4090 does

[hazy frost]

There’s some specific GPUs I want eventually but they’re a 20% markup and every time I’m like ehh

I can usually buy a tier higher instead of getting the fancy one

I want the PNY 4090 when I replace mine just bc their customer service is so good

[dull garnet]

It's always the better thing to do

[hazy frost]

Yeah

Unless u can already afford the top of the line flagship gpu no point going for specific models these days

The last really bad gpu model was a bioshock 6600xt or something?

That had like +20c temps over some models lol

[dull garnet]

[hazy frost]

Biostar I mean

No one buys their stuff besides motherboards

[dull garnet]

Some aibs have better temps than say my 4070 FE but it's also like, 60c load is nothing

That was my idle temp on my 8800 GTX lol

[hazy frost]

It’s this one lmao

[dull garnet]

woof

5 cent of aluminium for the cooler

[hazy frost]

106 is wild

I don’t think there’s anything THAT bad this gen

[hazy frost]

My 4070ti hits 75 if OC is on and 65 without it yeah I dont really worry too much

New Nvidia cards it’s about vram temperature anyway

They get hotter than they potentially should on almost every model

But u can’t rly get around that it’s just how the card is engineered by Nvidia as well

[eternal zinc]

pity EVGA nvr made GPU anymore

[hazy frost]

EVGA was overhyped outside of North America imo bc the customer service wasn’t as good but the product quality was still up there