technology-discussion

[cerulean talon]

It has a different kind of computing power

[hazy frost]

My car has about 0 computing power

[cerulean talon]

Your phone would be awful at running your car

[dire viper]

I think it has less computing than a calculator

[dire viper]

Not really?

Depends on what ur doing

[cerulean talon]

Cars need realtime systems for anything remotely modern

Phones are absolutely not realtime systems

[dire viper]

1980 forward for electronically controlled powertrain management

So an arduino works

[cerulean talon]

Arduinos have too much jitter for my taste, flash me a rtos and do it right

I’m also talking about proper ecu replacement, not canbus commands

[dire viper]

It’s funny cause I know someone with a 2500hp drag Audi that uses a speeduino for its entire management

[cerulean talon]

Awful humans

[dire viper]

Twin variable geometry turbos to boot

[cerulean talon]

Just go back to the love that is fpgas and real hardware

[dire viper]

If you want no compute just carbs :)

[cerulean talon]

Not wrong tho

[dire viper]

Only issue is carbs fucking suck!

There are other systems tho

The injection system on the Mercedes 300SL in the 50’s was just a continuous injection system

CIS is better than carbs but same shit of no real control

Here in Utah you’d drive up a canyon and pull over to a shop and have them tune up your carbs because of the altitude difference

Back when that was still a concern

But yuh

CANBUS supremacy or something

You have BMW to thank for that

Bosch designed it and BMW spent engineering money implementing it and adjusting it for Bosch

Which Bosch loves to do lol

Their MFI, Jetronic, was a redesigned version of a Bendix MFI they purchased, but they needed help getting it into mass market so they went to Porsche and had them refine it for Mercedes who used it from the 70’s to 93

Last cars with it were the W124 S Class and R129 SL

[sly elk]

hmmm

sitting here thinking what is the newest old car?

the chevy express van

nissan frontier was until recently? same with nissan Zs

wow bendix had their hands in a fair bit of stuff lol

i first heard that name a few days ago watching a video of someone playing christmas music from a bendix g-15 computer

[hazy frost]

Well TECHNICALLY it’s still the exact same car for the last few decades anyway

Lmao

There’s a few cars that are basically identical to something from a long ass time ago but gets released as smth new anyway

[sly elk]

there's also stuff that's new-ish but still not new new?

the charger was kinda there, those engines didn't use direct injection and the internet connected stuff only goes as far as the radio, which is easily swapped out for something else

(or you take the cellular modem out of the radio and it becomes stupid)

(I've been wanting to do that to the radio in my jeep lol)

[dire viper]

I mean modified chassis shouldn’t count

Cause then the 911 would be king

Air cooled and water cooled

[sly elk]

nah i meant like

[dire viper]

The 69 to 88 911 is the same body

[sly elk]

as in not being an internet connected appliance that receives OTA updates and can't be serviced very much without a dealer and the computer that has the $$$ subscription

[dire viper]

Oh lol

[sly elk]

which pretty much everything now is

but there were some stragglers

[dire viper]

Commercial trucks lol

[sly elk]

and some cars are dumber than others

but even there sometimes it gets obnoxious

[dire viper]

Fundamentally chassis have remained the same for 40 years

[sly elk]

like having codes that can ONLY be cleared with a computer running the dealership software

[dire viper]

But the nice thing about a Peterbilt or Freightliner or Mac is that you can just swap in a new Alison transmission and CAT engine and bam

Brand new truck lmao

[sly elk]

^ that is nice

[dire viper]

And it’s not even “swapping”

It’s all factory supported

[sly elk]

though I can't remember if those "count" in ca emissions or not

I,... think they do?

i have heard enough complaints about CA making it difficult to certify engine swaps in cars :\

[dire viper]

In the case of commercial trucks, because the engine and transmissions are service items that will be replaced, I think the “service” replacements are the ones subject to emissions

[sly elk]

which feels stupid because if you take a 2005 and stick a 2010 powertrain in it they shouldn't even bother to ask

[dire viper]

So the new engines are complaint or whatever

[sly elk]

makes sense

[dire viper]

I got to see a blown up Alison trans

[sly elk]

when was the last time you heard a screaming jimmy?

[dire viper]

Recently

Two stroke Detroit’s are still used

Usually in off road

Cause off road is different

They make immediate power so they’re good for heavy loads on short trucks

Oh also some of the twin charged Detroit’s are just incredibly powerful

[sly elk]

sitting here looking at keyboards i could use for my peanuts keycap setup

hmmmmm

cherry has some that are nice and minimalist but sadly the usb cable is permanently attached on those

[odd sand]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/1hp4hk5/developer_fires_entire_team_for_ai_now_ends_up/

[paper tusk]

to better avoid the article it's linking https://www.reddit.com/r/LinkedInLunatics/comments/1hjg60d/replaced_his_dev_team_with_ai/

also has a link to the linkedin post buming for devs

the ones that he supposedly replaced with AI

[proven oyster]

VRAM

I got a techie question in relation to that. :O

I got a laptop, with 4 GBs of VRAM, and 16 of RAM
If i were to upgrade the 16 GBs, to 32 of RAM, would that help?

[lost python]

not for vram

[proven oyster]

wellyah, still stuck on 4 GBs, but wondering if there'd be merit to upgrade the Ram

[lost python]

not really unless you plan on doing some rendering and other memory intensive workloads

[proven oyster]

-# This was sparked cus of Mare ;D

[lost python]

iirc mare profits more from having your mods on a quick SSD

[sly elk]

@dire viper https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/1hpzo6x/not_sure_how_to_remedy_this_one/

[dire viper]

holy moly

[sly elk]

Service BJ Exceeded by 146 Days

-Calls local Mercedes-Benz dealer- "Hi uh my car says it needs a service BJ?"

-gets referred to the sketchy massage place-

[late basalt]

@cerulean talon

[cerulean talon]

The chaotic cat has been summoned, whomst is my sacrifice?

[late basalt]

The last free cubic inches of your net closet

[cerulean talon]

I put 3x30a 240 circuits in my garage.

[late basalt]

Time to save up for a remodel for a bigger closet

[cerulean talon]

It shall be ~delightful~

[late basalt]

….i found hank https://www.motor1.com/news/745420/ev-engine-50-cordless-drills/

[paper tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpozohmVxyQ

[torpid kayak]

anyone here use those ergomic keyboards? :d

[odd sand]

I don't worship the dark one, so no /s

[sly elk]

no those look like rigid drills

hank would never use a rigid drill

https://tenor.com/view/packout-gif-2338736104103854960

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/satania-laugh-anime-lol-happy-gif-13786657

that dude doesn't deserve to run a business after that

like potential employees should know the dude trying to hire them is an idiot that will drop them in a heartbeat, and the customers should know he's an idiot that fired all his devs over an ai sales pitch lol

[dusty viper]

Should i upgrade my GPU (RX 580)? Im struggling to hold 60fps in FFXIV and it's making me enjoy the game less

I get like 45fps on average

[real edge]

what are your pc specs

and are you US/EU or what

[dusty viper]

GPU: RX 580 CPU: I5 12400F, RAM: 16GB DDR4, 500GB SSD, monitor: 1440p 60hz Dell P2720D, 650W PSU. EU (Estonia)

[real edge]

baltic

but ye

you want to upgrade that GPU in your case

[dusty viper]

I was thinking about buying RX 7800 XT

[real edge]

and maybe get a 1440p 144hz or better display to go with it

if u have the spare money

night and day difference

[dusty viper]

I have only 1500 euros in savings and im in college

[golden stream]

Oh

Secondhand market then?

[dusty viper]

I have no expenses though

[real edge]

hm

what to recommend

[dusty viper]

If i buy an RX 7800 XT, i would have around 950 euros in savings, with 100 euros per month as allowance

[real edge]

EU market is a bit scuffed at the moment

[dusty viper]

Could be enough money for 2 years of college since i have everything covered

[real edge]

ok so

do you play games besides ffxiv

and do you find your ssd space enough to fit in said games

[dusty viper]

SSD space isn't an important factor since i have really fast ethernet speed

[real edge]

huh?

both are for different things

SSDs help make your games load faster and run better in the case of modern titles

[dusty viper]

Oh you mean like games with really huge storage spaces?

[real edge]

dont tell me u play games on an HDD or I might cry

[dusty viper]

I already specified i use a 500GB SSD

[real edge]

500gigs is enough for whatever games u play?

[dusty viper]

Yeah

[real edge]

• windows?

huh

[dusty viper]

FFXIV is the only game i have installed that takes up huge storage space

[real edge]

I see

[dusty viper]

Occasionally i play hoyoverse games but mostly leave them uninstalled

[real edge]

as for GPU recommendations

for ffxiv and lower-demand games

since u do not play anything fancy

id mostly recommend a 4070super

which is about

500-600euro

600

[golden stream]

Brand new, and if there's any in stock right?

[real edge]

yeah

check stock and price

[golden stream]

Da heck, sounds cheaper than in my place

[real edge]

its available in my eu country for 600euro

so id assume its similar there

unless the baltic countries have worse stock than my country

the CPU is enough-ish to run the 4070super at almost full power

and ull get dlss and that jazz

lmk

what the price is

over there

[dusty viper]

Cheapest is 620 euros. Average is 700 euros

[real edge]

ok thats not bad

620

its a good gpu that will last you for a good while

easily

id also get a new monitor but

thats if u care about having more than 60hz

in my opinion

144hz + is night a day difference from 60hz

but thats personal opinion

[dusty viper]

I fear that if i get an 144hz monitor i will be upgrading even more often and it's gonna ruin my wallet

[real edge]

hm?

thats not gonna happen I think

why would you think that?

[dusty viper]

I mean if i wanted 144fps on modern games, then i would have to upgrade my pc more often to keep having 144fps no?

[real edge]

but u dont play demanding modern games

[dusty viper]

FFXIV is kinda demanding though

[real edge]

and even I with a 4080super dont care enough to keep upgrading my pc to keep up with my monitors refresh rate

I had a 1070 for the longest time

and I only upgraded because

games were dropping below 60fps

regularly and it was jarring and distracting

but having that high refresh rate when I was able to take advantage of it

was a godsent and made games feel that much better

[real edge]

ehhhh

I wouldn't call ff14 demanding

black myth wukong is demanding

etc

[dusty viper]

Atleast if i buy a new gpu i wont have to upgrade for 5+ years

[real edge]

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/q27g3xmn how much does this monitor cost in your country

[real edge]

yeah

for sure

4070super is good

esp for your style of gaming and games

ull see your fps jump significantly

u wont have to upgrade

[dusty viper]

It costs 388 euros

[real edge]

ohh ouch

wtf

huh

like with a new display u wont have to upgrade if u dont want to

it doesnt force you to do anything

on the games that u can take full advantage of the fps and hz its great

but in the games u cant then its ok

no harm done

[dusty viper]

Yeah, but i still have to think about my financial situation

[real edge]

I have a very powerful pc

and a 240hz display

I dont feel forced to upgrade to a 4090 just to get 240fps etc

[real edge]

fair

I am looking at budget displays and hoping they are cheap over there lmao

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/g2724d

what about this one

[dusty viper]

254 euros in Estonia

[real edge]

ohh thats good

the Gigabyte M27QA?

[dusty viper]

205 euros. https://www.hind.ee/p/gigabyte-m27q/

[real edge]

so 200euros for the base M27Q

and 300euro for the m27QA

254 for the dell

you have good budget options

if u wanna take the dip

personally my recommendation would go like this

M27QA -> M27Q -> DELL

the M27QA is the best of the three

but its the most expensive

M27Q is the cheapest but it has the weakest specs out of the three

put it second due to the cheap price

consider it if you want

just make sure to enable overdrive and set your refresh rate to the max if you get one

[dusty viper]

Thanks for the recommendations

Im still thinking whether it's an sensible financial choice or if im sabotaging my financial future with this gpu purchase

[real edge]

idk tbh

u have to check your expenses and income per month

[dusty viper]

It's more of a "can i use my money in a smarter way" kind of situation

[real edge]

such as?

hm

ok so

do you need anything

[dusty viper]

Investing or emergency fund

I dont actually need anything right now

[real edge]

while you are still young, your parents will take care of you and after college you will most likely have a job that gets you 800 or more per month

that doesnt mean go blow your money on hookers and shit lmao

still be careful

but if u feel like you absolutely need something cause its hampering your day to day life

dont be afraid to ask around for advice and see if you really need it

[dusty viper]

I mean, the game is playable

[real edge]

my gpu recommendation is more on the expensive side but its meant to last you the next 5-6 years

based on the type of games u play

esp at 60fps

the 4070super can do way more in ff14 and other games as well

[paper tusk]

5070 ti super. yeah. sure. https://www.ibuypower.com/support/faq/retail/y40ba7n57t01

[lost python]

https://youtu.be/B9vLnNOBaSs

[hazy frost]

Can’t believe people aren’t more careful with $700 worth of products tbh

It takes an extra minute to make sure everything is definitely correct

[sharp star]

I love user error

[odd sand]

tldr? User thought he had a gotcha moment with AMD and sent the CPU to GN, and they figured out the user was just dumb?

[dusty viper]

How often should i clean my pc if i have two cats?

[odd sand]

Depends on how good your case is at keeping dander and dust out. If you have a modern case where it's those pull out micromesh cover sleeves, just look to if/when they get clogged with stuff.

They generally do a very good job of keeping most stuff out. I only really clean the inside like once every year or two. The filters like every 6 months.

[dusty viper]

Well my case is a 200r corsair ATX so it doesnt have micromesh cover sleeves probably

I was thinking about cleaning it every 3 months

[odd sand]

You have at least the bottom one it seems:

But yeah, for the top and side it looks like you may just have to take the long thin vacuum attachment to the hose to clean them off.

[dire viper]

I cleaned my pc after not doing it for months and idk how my PSU didn’t die, that filter was solid

[modest moss]

My pc is on carpet and I have a cat and I haven't cleaned my pc since I built it

[hazy frost]

Pretty much

User insisted it wasn’t them and it turns out-unsurprisingly- it was in fact them

It was wonky in the socket

[lost python]

They applied enough force while installing to sheer plastic off of the bottom of the socket lmao

[dire viper]

How tf

[dire viper]

@potent arrow my great uncle was contemplating buying a supercharged 8.4L Viper and then decided not too, but the dealer called him back willing to give him a discount so he’s going to buy it

It was between that and an old S197 Saleen Mustang that was also supercharged but it’s got the gross grey metallic that has green tint in the clear coat

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/L6XaxTNLmgQ?si=tjnBq0RNnIEaJ7t-

[hazy frost]

And in this process SOMEHOW didn’t realise they did it wrong and were adamant it’s not their fault

If something is resisting don’t ram it in there 😭

[sly elk]

they can't complain too much

gamers nexus paid them for their broken cpu lol

it was an unsolicited offer too

[inland mauve]

oh my god his fucking user name

LMAO

[glossy ravine]

Hey Shue, what do you think of the Rog Ally? I don't think I ever heard your verdict.

[modest moss]

I've only had time to install GTA 5 on it but it's pretty great

Like 1080p60 on medium settings and it looks really nice

I'm sure I could tweak settings and do better though but I'm happy with it

I'll install Fortnite next probably

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/EVhgeqNcoN4?si=45tgWtSl0Hhq2ggc

[sly elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8HGOVgJj2s

[dire viper]

strongest 392

[sly elk]

the front fell off

it does sounds a little weird leading up to the kaboom

but that's impossible to know for sure given the microphone lol

[dire viper]

billowing white smoke means the head went

[sly elk]

and with loud enough music it's hard to hear anyway

i usually drive with the music up too so

[dire viper]

the head going sounds like a 392 classic cause ppl will not wait for break in and warp the head

[sly elk]

tbh? it has 8900 miles?

idk

[dire viper]

oh true

break in would be 1500

but also a head going right away is odd

[sly elk]

hemis don't have break in periods

even if they should

it's not a corvette

[dire viper]

I mean they do

every engine does

the only exception is turbocharged engines really?

turbocharged engines are obviously designed for high compression and pressure

and the super stiff piston rings they use need to be boosted a few times to seat properly, or so I have been told

ig the nice thing in modern cars is throttle by wire and it can just not give you more throttle

so you simply wont exceed X rpm period before break in

[sly elk]

ENGINE BREAK-IN RECOMMENDATIONS —
3.6L & 5.7L
A long break-in period is not required for the drivetrain
(engine, transmission, clutch, and rear axle) in your new
vehicle.
Drive moderately during the first 300 miles (500 km).
After the initial 60 miles (100 km), speeds up to 50 or
55 mph (80 or 90 km/h) are desirable.
While cruising, brief full-throttle acceleration within the
limits of local traffic laws contributes to a good break-in.
However, wide-open throttle acceleration in low gear
can be detrimental and should be avoided.
The engine oil, transmission fluid, and axle lubricant
installed at the factory is high-quality and energy-
conserving. Oil, fluid, and lubricant changes should be
consistent with anticipated climate and conditions
under which vehicle operations will occur. For the rec-
ommended viscosity and quality grades page 249.

though

i feel like if you buy anything with a 392 the dealer will happily hoon the shit out of it before selling it to you

[dire viper]

meh

[sly elk]

also gotta make sure to chirp the tires on customer cars when they bring em in for service 😉

[dire viper]

really the throttle mapping in the hemi's is dog ass

[sly elk]

little bit of cynicism here

there's a snl skit where they're like

[dire viper]

so unless you blip the throttle hard it doesnt really scoot

[sly elk]

Again, you bought a southwest ticket. You obviously don't respect yourself, so why should we?

replace with mopar

[dire viper]

true

[odd sand]

Southwest isnt on the same tier as Frontier or Jet Blue tho imho

Or Spirit I guess

[zinc sluice]

https://fixvx.com/CentroLeaks/status/1874312953044099093

[paper tusk]

am i fucking high or is there no daughterboard for the card reader?

bet that's going to be fun to repair from stupid people putting crap into it

[odd sand]

It's one contained unit with probably one contact for power on the board

[sly elk]

still better than spirit or ryanair or whatever those "we charge extra for oxygen" airlines are

[odd sand]

Honestly, I can't be mad at them bc you literally get what you pay for with them. They're 100% alacarte

[sly elk]

ehhh

could be worse

[odd sand]

If you don't want to have literally every aspect of your flying experience have a separate price tag on it -- then don't fly with them. What's that? The others are more expensive? DUH.

[sly elk]

you go to use the toilet

and one of these is on the door

or maybe this

and it costs $5

if i were a sadistic billionaire

i'd buy greyhound and then one of the cheap airlines

to create Greyhound Airlines

[odd sand]

Drive the bus right into the cargo plane /s

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-what-huh-will-smith-i-mean-gif-16109629214377968028

can i just get some retired c17s

and then yes park the bus inside lmao

have people tripping when they get a greyhound bus ticket

and don't realize that part of the trip is by plane

comes with the added benefit that they can use whatever airport

[odd sand]

Greyhound to Paris

[sly elk]

no need for terminals

just drive the bus off to the nearest bus station

https://youtu.be/ZO3SnfWH3Bw?t=17
apparently greyhound air was briefly a thing in canada

their marketing department is weird

i think that might even be worse than rax roast beef

[crimson glacier]

@modern iris @tranquil sigil i used pcpartpicker and some google / reddit searching to make what looks like a good build but idk if i could improve it or make it better value, can i get your opinions? https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/CrTwYd

i'm not a tech-y person, i just want a good PC lmao

i just realised i forgot the power supply... kinda need that. maybe Corsair RM850e? that seems good.

[lost python]

ram is too slow, gpu is bad and shouldnt be gotten and yeah it needs a psu. whats your max budget and what is the pc meant to do besides gaming? which resolution is your monitor?

[crimson glacier]

huh, what's wrong with the GPU?

[lost python]

the 4060 is not worth the money. especially with the very slow 8gb vram, there are just much better alternatives at this price range

[crimson glacier]

don't really have a max budget tbh, i knew this was gonna cost a lot. pc is for gaming mostly with a bit of light 3D modelling thrown in. monitor is 1920x1080 but i'll probably get a new one eventually, just gotta decide which 'cause i've got pretty limited space.

[lost python]

if you are able to wait 1-2 months, i would recommend waiting with the purchase, because nvidia is about to announce the new generation of cards which usually leads to pricedrops in current cards and more cards on the used market

[crimson glacier]

i'll have to wait a bit anyway. low on money right now and still awaiting shifts from new job.

[lost python]

the rest that you picked is good, but yeah i'd recommend waiting and revisiting then when you are ready to purchase. the market will have changed by then and there might be some better deals

[crimson glacier]

could you recommend an alternative? tbh i don't need a 40 series, i just noticed it was barely more expensive than the 3060.

[lost python]

well, ironically the 3060 is faster
but not worth it anymore either. i would either look for a 7600xt or check the used market like ebay and whatever else you got in the UK for 6700xt/6750xt or 6800xt cards.
but keep in mind that the 5000 series may surprise us in performance or make other cards like the 4070 cheaper.

[crimson glacier]

i've seen the 7600xt come up in a lot of reddit threads so i may look into that

is the 7800xt good or would you recommend a 7600xt over that too?

[lost python]

7800xt is good, but much more expensive

[crimson glacier]

oh, ouch, yeah, i see that now

[lost python]

a used 6800xt should be more in your price range if you are lucky, but its almost as fast as the 7800xt

[crimson glacier]

how about this?

[golden stream]

The issue is, do you do render 3d, and if yes, which engine

That’s where thing may be jank on AMD GPU

[lost python]

ye thats the 7600xt, but i would still recommend a used 6700xt over it

[lost python]

thankfully blender has been gotten a lot better with gpu computing on amd

[golden stream]

Ye that’s EEVEE and Cycles but unsure about other engines tho

[crimson glacier]

i just make small stuff to 3D print, none of that stuff really matters tbh, i think performance with that will be fine regardless of what i get. it's almost entirely for gaming honestly.

[golden stream]

Not sure w UE5/unity hmmmm

[lost python]

those are just game engines

[golden stream]

Ohhhhhh if that, AMD GPU should be just fine

[golden stream]

There are some 3d projects you can get some decent $ with UE5 and unity tho vrchat worlds

Just in case

My pal’s company does use UE5 for rendering scenes tho

[crimson glacier]

this is what i have rn btw

[golden stream]

Oh

pro tip: both windows 10 and 11 is free, you’re just being locked out from some visual customization and a watermark at the corner
There u go, hundo pound saved

[crimson glacier]

i couldn't deal with the watermark

that would piss me off soooo much

[lost python]

same

but you can find cheap oem keys on amazon etc often for 10-15 bucks

[golden stream]

Ohhh ok fair
Personally I don’t feel paying for windows license worth it esp with recent app breaking updates and AIs shenanigan

[crimson glacier]

is this ram good? pretty dang expensive but 2x32 GB and low latency

i don't really care for the RGB but it is what it is

[lost python]

what do you need 64gb for?

[crimson glacier]

32 GB is plenty for now but i don't know how demanding modern games are going to get and wanna be prepared, i guess

i don't play anything particularly demanding currently so i could just use 2x16 GB i guess

[lost python]

would be plenty for now if you want to keep the budget down.
but you do wanna look for CL30-32 6000mhz ram, doesnt have to be more than 6000

[crimson glacier]

so that Corsair Vengeance 2x16 GB would be just fine?

[lost python]

the non-rgb from your screenshot? yes

[crimson glacier]

awesome

this is still £1.3k but i can live with that

[lost python]

yeah and some stuff might go down in price

[crimson glacier]

hopefully

it'll take a few months before i can afford all that anyway

i don't have to buy it all at once

some parts will work with what i have now

so i can just upgrade it over time

[glossy ravine]

Hell, I'd say 16 GB is still serviceable if you were going for a 1080p gaming/work system.

I'm rocking a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and a Radeon 6750 XT, I've dabbled in stuff like Blender (had 16 GB of Ram ATP) and it's worked perfectly fine for me

32 is really just future proofing things.

[lost python]

32 is the minimum you should get in 2025

plenty of games already appear with 32 as their recommendation

[crimson glacier]

yeah, that's why i was looking at 64, just a bit of future prep

[glossy ravine]

I only just upgraded to 32 GB, and they said they aren't playing the most recently released games.

But I get your point.

64 Is overkill unless you're doing like 7 tasks at once.

7 major* tasks

Multi monitor set ups and all

[crimson glacier]

i'm running a Ryzen 5 2600 and a GTX 1650 with 2x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4

[glossy ravine]

Currently or going to build that?

[lost python]

Current

[lost python]

Ye but it's overkill unless you really plan to get into memory extensive workloads or have the spare money to say "fuck it" and just go for it, but it sounds like you would prefer to keep it cheap.
Though it's worth keeping in mind that upgrading ram when you need it, is really easy to do

The 100+ bucks you save by not going 64 would be better invested into a better CPU or GPU imo

[real edge]

just to add something on top here

if ur going to do 3d modeling

I recommend nvidia just for CUDA

and not the 4060

but u were already told that

I can make you a PC

also dont buy windows

[lost python]

3D modeling doesn't really profit from cuda

Rendering does but they don't do that

[royal forge]

I dunoe what ur talking about. I model in Cycles mode exclusively and its a great help. /s

[lost python]

speaking of, blender is working on vulcan integration so all this shit might run a whole lot better soon

[royal forge]

God i hope so. Just... improving the shader times would be an improvement

[tranquil sigil]

Good morning! I’m taking a look at this now :)

Not to promote it (but u can sometimes get resells of windows for like 5 dollars) because what will happen w companies is they buy a bunch of licenses they don’t need then sell them

But god pls be so careful with scams and whatnot

That’s what I did and it works great for me

Now onto hardware

[tranquil sigil]

I used 32 for a while! Later I got more, but it was great for ffxiv :)

CPU is good for games! I have an AMD ryzen too.

Motherboard is also great! Compatible with CPU

Reviews are great

For storage/hard drives, I would get one 2tb instead of two smaller ones

Much more cost effective

Let me get mine and send it

[glossy ravine]

Ryzen X3D chips my beloved ♥️

[tranquil sigil]

Also windows will only be on one hard drive. So you have to choose which one to boot to. That means you can’t rlly use the storage of the other one if you’re using the other hard drive

Ryzen truly is great

[glossy ravine]

Recommend getting a small ssd for like your boot files and a second drive for all your games and whatnot. That's what I did at least.

[tranquil sigil]

Yea I have another smaller sad

Ssd

Not sad lol

[glossy ravine]

Sad drive

Kek

[tranquil sigil]

Hmm looking at the current parts I def feel like it’s just the storage and ram being an issue

Replacing the entire comp feels a bit redundant

[crimson glacier]

i got this PC second-hand and the 465 GB Seagate was already in it, the Toshiba is an external hard drive 'cause 465 GB wasn't enough

[tranquil sigil]

If you want you can sell em, still would recommend a new 2tb. if you dont wanna do that def try getting more ram

if replacing the storage and adding ram doesnt work, it doesnt hurt to either just return them or use them on a new pc

I had this issue pretty recently btw! My brother fixed it for me, but my computer was SUPER slow even though i built it

ram/storage fixed it pretty well. it works great now

But if it's in your budget and you simply wish to, I'm never against buying a new pc :)

let me take a look at the new pc you put together now

CPU is good

It seems generally ppl want faster ram than that, but it works

Ah i see you went for 2tb in the new build. Nice!

I would wait until they announce new cards so the price on the graphics card will drop

Let me send an amazon link of my graphics card! It's about the same price but works like a dream

[crimson glacier]

i actually changed a couple parts

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/23bv4p

and put a PSU on there 'cause i forgot that lol

[tranquil sigil]

Yes that build looks great!

Much better graphics card

Thankfully part picker is p good about checking compatibility

[lost python]

id still recommend waiting or looking at the used market for a 6700xt+ because they are cheaper but faster though

[tranquil sigil]

Ignore my dawgs

This is what I have

Yeah the 6700 xt works great

[crimson glacier]

after a quick ebay browse, i can't find any for anything lower than RRP

[lost python]

?

[crimson glacier]

dang i didn't see that

£250 vs £310... is there a big difference in performance?

[lost python]

depending on the game its a good bit

the newer alternative is the 7700xt but its 390+

[tranquil sigil]

With mine I can run shaders/high ass graphics/high view distance

omg i tabbed back into ffxiv and i was DED

[hazy frost]

Also if ur patient 6800xt will go for £300-350 fairly often on eBay

Much faster gpu

Basically equal to what the 7800xt is in performance

I’d get a cheaper ssd and psu and spend the extra £40 on one of those

U also don’t need to buy windows

I’d suggest more like this https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hQ6XRV

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/daypD6XbYWw?si=cDHnCaFEXzB6jNJo

[solid panther]

It's been interesting adjusting to having my taskbar turned off. I did it as a way to further protect against burn in on the new OLED monitor and thought it'd be annoying to deal with at first but like

It really isnt

Any notifications I get makes the thing pop up, so I dont miss anything. And its easy enough to remember to just move the mouse to the bottom of the screen if I need to click on something on the taskbar.

[odd sand]

I've always had mine set to auto-hide so I had more screen space

[odd sand]

Protip: The order of the icons left-to-right you can press Winkey+1/2/3 as the hotkey to launch them

Well... other than the Start and Virtual Desktop icons on the left

[solid panther]

huh I've never heard of that before

neat

[flat osprey]

what bitrate do you usually use for recording on OBS?

previously I tried using OBS but the recordings had all choppy frames

then apparently I realized it was because the gpu was damaged on my laptop

[wide hill]

12-16kb for recording? less with av1.

[odd talon]

Now I see why things are not running well

Ngl, I don't know how thr c drive got that clogged

[golden stream]

HOLY

[odd talon]

The main ssd I get

[golden stream]

I think you may like a 2TB for C drive

[odd talon]

My pc is in need of a upgrade tbh

[golden stream]

upgrade the whole motherboard-CPU gen or just some parts though?

[odd talon]

That's the plan

[golden stream]

bc better backup that much data

oh

I'm assuming you're still at DDR4 platform?

[odd talon]

Yup

[golden stream]

is the 7.2TB a NAS or direct storage plugging into the rig tho?

[odd talon]

The main things I need to upgrade are CPU, motherboard and ram

[golden stream]

huh, ok

[odd talon]

The ssd is directly plugged in

[golden stream]

I'd choose best of DDR5 then chilling for 10 years

[golden stream]

wait, 8TB of SATA ssd or NVMe tho

[odd talon]

Nvme

Sata is the 1 tb

[golden stream]

mannnnn the $

2TB NVMe is already so rare in my place

[odd talon]

I get discounts on the Samsung store

[sly elk]

-gets out a pile of floppy disks-

[golden stream]

holy hydaelyn, 2TB NVMe 990 EVO in my place is 200USD

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/3d-pinball-space-cadet-windows95-video-games-lights-gif-16777005

[golden stream]

the biggest consumer grade one is 4TB with ~400USD

[sly elk]

i get discounts on the samsung store too, but their ssds are usually overpriced

[golden stream]

that's directly from samsung store tho

[sly elk]

murrica

https://tenor.com/view/homer-toilet-the-simpons-flushing-australia-gif-9709858

[odd talon]

I'm currently shifting some files into my hdd

[buoyant wasp]

https://x.com/VGC_News/status/1875117890292400481?s=19

VGC (@VGC_News) on X

Apple has reportedly stopped production on its $3,500 Vision Pro due to lack of demand.

https://t.co/kQ0Rp0fjWV

Twitter · Jan 3, 2025, 9:51 AM

How very surprising

[dire viper]

Lmao

They won’t ever make it actually affordable too

Index is 1000 dollars with everything and includes one of the best VR experiences you can buy

I get the Apple Vision is like. Intended for other stuff but also… you look like a dick head in public with it on and I don’t want my eyeballs fucking fried by having it on at home constantly

[inland mauve]

I have a Quest 3 and it's pretty good

very nice resolution

[wraith agate]

what a shocker

[old jetty]

Mhm, tried to install windows 11, It installed the 24h2 version, got an iso for the 23h2, but can't keep files cause version is different, so now I gotta rollback to windows 10 and see if I can install 23h2 from there without loosing everything from my pc

I hate windows and this is why I refuse to upgrade everytime, ngl

[dull garnet]

they pushed 24h2 on me last night. i noticed discord acting funny while playing ff14 at the same time, not sure if that is related

[old jetty]

24h2 seems to have some problems, I tried to play Poe and I noticed quite an heavy FPS drop + a crash, so I'm rolling back

I swear to god, if I'm installing the 2023 version, but now updates to the 2024 one I'm gonna flip the table

[odd sand]

https://tenor.com/view/sarcastic-kirk-gif-20910726

[sly elk]

pretty much why I don't want one

the last thing I want to do is spend hours with a headset like that stuck on my head

it looks like something from a nightmare

i think the tech in vr/ar stuff is really cool and the potential applications are also cool af

so part of me wants one to see what the new tech is like

but yea I already spend enough time at my computer

[sly walrus]

i tried one, and i could not come up with a use case for it

[sly elk]

i think the two things apple has been pushing are the 'use a huge virtual desktop while sitting on a plane' thing and the 'immersive 3d photography or videos' thing

really nothing they'er doing hasn't been done already by ms and htc and others

they're just trying to be more stylish and throw more money at the problem

ms threw a ton of money at it though

i love seeing the difference in ms vs apple's approach

aside from the xbox (and even now actually) it's just impossible for MS to be successful making products for the consumer because it's just not in their DNA as a company to do that

and this was heavily evident with how they pushed their hololens platform

and how they pushed surface and why it (mostly) failed >>

and why pretty much everyone i know hates using MS teams

even though teams isn't really that horrible anymore lol

[celest violet]

Does anyone know how to stop YouTubes adblocker detection? Shits awful

[spring raven]

switch to firefox

[sly elk]

yea, firefox still allows the lower level adblocker that chrome and its derivatives don't

[hazy frost]

Brave has a built in blocker that’s better than ublock in consistency even tho it’s chromium

Which is why I use it on my phone

Firefox with ublock works 99% of the time still

[celest violet]

Been using the opera gx adblocker cause I've been too lazy to download another browser

But if it's worth it

[sly elk]

meh

i tried brave once but I can't remember why i dropped it

there was something sketchy about the ownership?

for me using something other than firefox is also just like

[hazy frost]

It’s not a great browser to use mainly I literally use it just for sites I wanna watch without ads

[sly elk]

i've been using firefox a LONG time lol

[sly walrus]

too much crypto

[celest violet]

Idc about my data being sold to China like people complain about gx

[hazy frost]

I use Firefox on my pc until ublock stops working and I use brave on my phone bc ublock doesn’t work on Firefox mobile

[celest violet]

Thats gonna happen regardless

[sly elk]

like I started using firefox when it was called firebird

i think?

can't remember if I ever used 'mozilla phoenix'

[hazy frost]

If ur using opera just switch to brave it’s not any worse in privacy and it’s just better

[sly walrus]

did mozilla have an email client called thunderfox back then

[sly elk]

nah it was always called thunderbird

still exists

i wouldn't be surprised if I did play with the phoenix beta thingy. IE on mac os x was useless and so there was a lot of demand for anything LOL

the funny thing was when I mentioned this on hackernews or reddit recently I got grilled because apparently IE on mac had a big following from web developers who loved it?

but I hated internet explorer, couldn't render html/css correctly :3

[hazy frost]

I’m not old enough to comment on Firefox before like early 2010s

Well after phoenix lol

What was that like 2005

[sly elk]

i'm an old fart yay

2002

[dull garnet]

i used firefox starting with 1.5, shit was fire

[sly elk]

i switched to mac os x in 2001

before that i ran windows on a janky diy build :3

i also got my hands on something that looked ridiculously like mac os 9

[dull garnet]

probably some windowblinds type crap

[sly elk]

in retrospect i wonder if I was using some version of rhapsody LMAO

no idea

[odd sand]

omfg if this is why... gonna dropkick the IT folks in the other department

[sly elk]

yea I can't remember

there were some really good mac themes for windows back in the day

[odd sand]

We've been bashing our head against a wall for like a month or more trying to troubleshoot event logging issues with one of the regions and today I find what looks like an old version of the app sending errors.

[dull garnet]

I've still got some old desktop screenshots with windowblind themes, they're very cringe

[sly elk]

that said, man

mac os x was an amazing jump back in 2001 lol

[odd sand]

So I ask them what is this? "Oh, that's the old version of the app."
"You do know since it's alphabetically after the current app name it overwrites any config items with the same names, right?"

[dull garnet]

[odd sand]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-angry-triggered-smash-computer-gif-17473293

[sly elk]

computer felt like a spaceship :3

looked like one too LOL

[odd sand]

And this is why I hate that we're not able to directly manage their systems bc they don't know wtf they're doing and we have to play a game of telephone with them to get anything done.

[modest moss]

what did ollie do to hurt you

also firefox/noscript/ublock origin is my daily driver browser

[dull garnet]

He is me

[modest moss]

aha healthy dose of self loathing

[dull garnet]

Man I used to use noscript but unblocking stuff got annoying

[dull garnet]

Name I made up on the spot at 14

[modest moss]

I probably don't need noscript these days, I barely browse any unsafe sites

[dull garnet]

tbh with the amount of bloated crap on websites these days it might even help

what i'd give to not having a fucking cookie prompt ever again

i'm sure extensions to address that exist mind you

[sly walrus]

painkiller mentioned

[dull garnet]

didn't play it much but i did enjoy the stake gun

[solid dirge]

Man, windowsblinds. That throws me back.

I think I used that on 7

[sly elk]

hmm whoever in here has that asus rog azoth: do you think it was worth the $200? lol

[potent arrow]

I mean...I consider it personally the best board I've owned

it's just..pricey

gotten it since it's released, used since

[sly elk]

lol it's funny how, I was thinking if I did another mechanical keyboard i'd go find some popular one and use my peanuts keycaps on it.....

speaking of which they came today!

and I am not disappointed LOL

but so far the top of the list are... a corsair and an asus board? the problem is all the cool kids models are random aliexpress boards basically

[potent arrow]

to me it's my favorite "Mainstream" board

I have a ton of boutique boards that come cloe

or better

but they are all group buys lol

[sly elk]

king tut headrest

lol

those things always look no fun to bonk your head on

[paper tusk]

1500 USD 5080 founders edition comes with added AI on the side because you'll need it for 4k144fps VR money to hallucinate the cash you just burnt

[sly elk]

hey ai make this pile of trash into a passable game

[dire viper]

funny how with a little bit of work you can make a 30 year old car look brand new

[sly elk]

it reminds me of a maserati

[dire viper]

Ferrari 550 Maranello redone by Carrozzeria Touring Superleggera

Superleggera Veloce12

they've done factory concept cars before

I think the coolest car they ever did was the MINI Superleggera Vision

[sly elk]

that is interesting for sure

it gives me last gen ford thunderbird vibes

[dire viper]

supposed to look like an old british sports car

which it does

[sly elk]

i actually

[dire viper]

specifically jaguar

[sly elk]

i don't think these were all that bad looking

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/งอน-gif-2571471192028073225

it looks like a cartoon car

[dire viper]

yes

Jaguar was pretty hardcore into aero on the bodies

[sly elk]

i like that lol

[dire viper]

they realized vertical stabilizers also worked on cars!

[sly elk]

i wanna see some more car companies try weird shit :3

LOL

ok ok

[dire viper]

yea this weird goopy car dominated Le Mans

[sly elk]

so i wonder

these were definitely not designed for aero

[dire viper]

no cause two

doesnt do anything

[sly elk]

i mean?

[dire viper]

plus super thick

[sly elk]

hehehe

ofc it didn't work

[dire viper]

the vertical stabilizers work on that Jag cause a SINGLE thin one is optimal, stops sudden high speed yaw

[sly elk]

man i love the absurdity of that rear end

but it's not even centered 😦

[dire viper]

yes

no plane is centered or symmetrical because aero is cringe like that LOL

[sly elk]

i wonder if any 50s cars had a single tailfin

[dire viper]

asymmetrically perfect

[sly elk]

helicopters are scary

fuck it, we ball

lucas electronics

[dire viper]

yes

prince of darkness, Lucas

[dire viper]

ok chat. 500 dollar budget. workhorse laptop. only needs to do music producing using DAW's

and in FL when you got a full multiple minute beat it can get semi sluggish on a shitty rig

[hazy frost]

M1 MacBook Air and u can use the superior Logic Pro instead of FL bc I’m not biased

U can get them used for $500 pretty easily and it’s probably the best thing at that price

[sly elk]

it's because they want a 4080/4090

also because people keep saying crap like "if you want to get 60fps in <insert old game here> you need at least a 4080"

[hazy frost]

anything 4070 and upwards its fair to buy from either depending on priorities anyway

if u want smth cheaper then buying from anyone but amd rn is stupid

b580 has issues still

[dull garnet]

love me 4070

i noticed 24h2 also broke my network drive... so i was forced to set up a user pw on my smb share because windows doesn't allow anonymous ones anymore apparently

[hazy frost]

Crying with my 12GB 4070ti atm bc it was cheaper than a 7900xt and couldn’t get a used 3090ti

But 50 series doesn’t look promising either and AMD aren’t doing a good replacement most likely

[dull garnet]

i was considering a 3090 but i didn't want a psu update lol

[hazy frost]

lol

3090 would be worse than what I have but they were like £150 cheaper used so it was ehh

Rly wanted the ti

They’re a much better price now

I think I’ll get another generation out of this either way

I have money but probably getting a new OLED display in the new year sales tbh

[sly elk]

yea i was a little disappointed about that. I kinda want to swap my 3080ti out for a 7900xtx but maybe there will be a better 80xx option?

not so much because of performance but monitor compatibility (240hz on my odyssey g9 57") and less wake from sleep glitches and better linux support

[hazy frost]

Radeon next gen ones? At best probably a more efficient equivalent to the xtx I think

They’re not going super high end afaik still

[sly elk]

i'd love a more efficient 7900xtx

[hazy frost]

Might as well wait for it tho I think

[sly elk]

but i get the vibe it'll probably be a more efficient 7900xt at best?

[hazy frost]

It depends what amd means by not focusing on high end

They’re either intending to not target 4090/5090 levels of performance or they’re focusing completely on ‘mid range’ which is going to be an xt or xtx equivalent

I’m not sure which one it actually is

[sly elk]

or just making $200-300 gpus?

amd kinda has a tick-tock cycle like that

as I recall, rx480/580 (cheap), then vega 56/64 (sorta power), then rx5xxx (cheap mostly), then rx6xxx (power)

but rx7xxx was also power sooo -shrug-

[hazy frost]

Who knows

I do think they messed up their more high end GPUs last gen bc the 7900xt had a horrible launch price and the xtx? Had issues with the reference card

And then the 7800xt and 7700xt especially had mediocre launch prices

And by the time the prices came down more and the GRE released imo the super GPUs were better value

[paper tusk]

I want to see how amd fixes video encoding before I jump ship with a 9070 xt. I know AV1 will have b frame support but no info on VVC support yet (nothing from nvidia either through nvenc)

[hazy frost]

So there’s like a few months between when the AMD cards were what I’d recommend mostly

[paper tusk]

welcome back

[sly elk]

https://www.keychron.com/collections/75-layout-keyboards/products/keychron-k2-he-wireless-magnetic-switch-keyboard

that's an interesting design

[sly elk]

forgot something about chevy

[kind rune]

its true half the time depending on what resolution you play at

[odd sand]

He's alive!

(I was babysitting tonight so I haven't been on Discord)

Not gonna say the Vikings aren't good, but I feel like it would have been a far more competitive game if at least Christian Watson had still played, let alone a few of the defensive guys that were out. With Watson out, the Vikings were able to focus even more of their defense on Jacobs. And with Jaire Alexander and our #1/2 Safeties out, they basically passed their way down the field with impunity almost.

It's still really funny to me that the Vikings have the record they do, and there is still very little focus by media on them. They can't catch a break

[kind rune]

over or under 5000 dollar 5090 tomorrow

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-barker-price-is-right-gif-12233207688997894733

https://tenor.com/view/wheel-of-fortune-spin-the-price-is-right-gif-9848245

i think I found my keyboard

the funny thing is I already knew about this one but totally forgot it existed

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HRYS2ZM/A/corsair-k65-plus-wireless-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-for-mac-glacier-blue?cid=aos-us-seo-pla-3pp

that said, $60 premium for that translucent case

BUT IT LOOKS SO GOOD!

i might toss those keycaps on my dygma lol

rawr ordered it

i think it's gonna look sick with the peanuts keycaps :3

[dull garnet]

i found some translucent double shot keycaps on aliexpress, they looked wicked

[sly walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-price-is-rice-looping-happy-fun-awkward-smile-gif-16872825

[wraith agate]

Why is Nicole stuck

[dull garnet]

she updated to 24h2

[sly elk]

duuuude

i got back and found that the keyboard they gave me was returned ;_; like

it has someone's anker usb-c to usb-a adapter kicking around inside

gross

didn't know the apple store did that kinda thing LOL

too bad, the keyboard is hella pretty

like dang I can't believe they made that an apple store exclusive thing because it'd probably sell well on amazon or something 😦

https://tenor.com/view/my-disappointment-is-immeasurable-and-gif-20080022

[sly elk]

actually I was wrong!

the anker adapter is something apple did LOL

because the keyboard comes with a usb-a receiver but macs have usb-c ports

[sly walrus]

https://youtu.be/2Drejv4pNHY?si=SP8YuhqgHn4JiaLx

how do you feel about model kits living inside a case

[dull garnet]

2200 watt PSU lol

[sly elk]

aliexpress special

[paper tusk]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-previews-radeon-rx-9070-xt-and-9070-series-rdna4-launches-q1-2025

[lost python]

why

why did they not stick with the 9700xt or something, why is it the 9070 now

[paper tusk]

probably trying to work on amd's marketing issue/brand image

wsh there was msrp but we'll see during ces

[hazy frost]

They’ve fallen to what Nvidia did with the low end 40 series cards then lmao

Convincing people a 4060 is good bc u can get 60fps if u use DLSS 3

[sharp star]

Happy CES day

Time to be disappointed

[sharp star]

https://videocardz.com/newz/exclusive-first-look-at-geforce-rtx-5090-with-32gb-gddr7-memory

[lost python]

600W GPU for the low low price of 2500$

[sharp star]

That'll be two kidneys, please

[lost python]

ill be curious to see if we once again have cards catching fire, as is tradition

[hazy frost]

They’re going to need to start selling or coming with more robust supports now they’re this big

[sharp star]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-introduces-ryzen-z2-series-confirms-valve-steam-deck-update

[lost python]

god i hate samsung so much

my entire screen gets ultra crazy scanlines when i enable a dark theme in blender

[hazy frost]

Samsung has fallen off very hard on displays outside of TVs tbh

There are good monitors using their panels but they’re never made by Samsung

I think people have complained about scan lines on some of their VA panel ones before

[dull garnet]

I could have sworn there was some aib selling a 9700 XT 25 odd years ago

[dull garnet]

huh, I was able to roll back to 23h2 with zero fuss. rare windows w

[wide hill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJoaV5NnPtw

another year i wont buy a gpu yet

[sharp star]

https://x.com/Wario64/status/1876345832750125118

Wario64 (@Wario64) on X

Ryzen 9 9950X3D/9900X3D available March 2025

Twitter · Jan 6, 2025, 7:11 PM

[drowsy star]

For how much

[wide hill]

why do you need AI laptops when you can just use the internet

is like embedding a crypto miner into a laptop

barely anyone clapping

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-tally-hall-rob-cantor-cuckoo-gif-11039613468823436351

it's just a buzzword to get stock prices to go up

[sly walrus]

hire ai stockbrokers

suddenly have a hand in 50 pump ‘n dumps

[hazy frost]

The only good thing I’ve seen this year is LG not using MLA on new OLED panels

I get the benefits but i think it’s better if they just don’t lol

[sharp star]

https://vxtwitter.com/Wario64/status/1876356110522962337

did they just admit to changing the numbering to have a similar tiering to Nvidia

[inland mauve]

makes sense from a marketing perspective

[hazy frost]

Honestly probably will do some good work on getting Nvidia fanboys to notice AMD exists bc they think Nvidia skipped 4 generations

I do think the naming convention looks horrible when the preceding generation number is larger than the latter 2 digits anyway tho

4060 sure 9060 looks ugly

Maybe that’s just me

[paper tusk]

yeah. I'm ok with it (9070xt) being an improved gre as long as the price is right but the lack of prices on anything is a bit concern

[lost python]

its gonna be unnecessarily expensive

until nvidia releases their shit and suddenly AMD lowers it to be alright

[odd sand]

How many more years will it be before they learn nobody gives af about AI outside of enterprise?

[dusky magnet]

A year or two

[paper tusk]

not soon enough

[dire viper]

Boutta hit NVIDIA with the August 20th, 2023 special

[odd sand]

begs the question if they're gonna go to 9170 next gen then, 10070xt, or what.

[sly walrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k82RwXqZHY8

yensen is bout to yap

[sharp star]

Ne-vidia

[sly walrus]

nividia

[sharp star]

oh god

[sly walrus]

FURRY ROBOT

[sharp star]

"Do you like my jacket?"

No

[sly walrus]

jensen's jacket was harvested from the finest snakes

is he selling his jacket

[kind rune]

the 4080 was invented in 1999?

[sly walrus]

yeah, and vf6 also came out in 1999

the ai predicted 33 whole pixels

that had better be a 5090

fuckin lorge

[kind rune]

theres the leaked neural compression stuff

what if he dropped it

[sly walrus]

oh shit i can afford that

[kind rune]

actually affordable prices the doomposters were proven wrong

[cerulean talon]

I dunno if I'd call that affordable, but more reasonable than I expected.

I really expected the 5090 to be closer to 3k overall.

[sly walrus]

motherfucker

[kind rune]

[cerulean talon]

Mmmmm. Raytracing.

[kind rune]

i wonder if fsr 4 can do that

[sly walrus]

raycing

[cerulean talon]

I like my raytracing, it's shiny and makes me happy. xD

[sly walrus]

shiny happy people holding hands?

[cerulean talon]

The first game I played with it was Control, and I kicked it on in one of the reflective obsidian rooms and I was so delighted with playing around with the effect. xD

[sly walrus]

is jensen about to get blackout drunk

[cerulean talon]

Oh is he live?

[sly walrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k82RwXqZHY8

he is Captain Nanometer

[cerulean talon]

Yeh, just found the live. My sense of time is broken, my brain thinks it's like 10 PM rn.

[sly walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/lama-jumping-gif-7065571732199358268

[cerulean talon]

Llama, llama, duck

Ah yes, workers or robots. Excellent. We're still differentating between humans and machines for the moment.

[kind rune]

i guess dlss 4 saved monster hunter wilds's garbage performance

[cerulean talon]

Mmmmm. Microservice AI's.

Tbh, based on the performance of the card, it makes sense. I'd be surprised if the 5090 doesn't have amazing split workflow performance.

[kind rune]

will kupo bot be happy about that

[cerulean talon]

I will personally remove Eanae's code if she tries to slap one in, and I'm not about to.

[sharp star]

https://x.com/Wario64/status/1876474168109314545

Wario64 (@Wario64) on X

GeForce RTX 50 Series power reqs:

5090 - 1000W
5080 - 850W
5070 Ti - 750W
5070 - 650W

full specs https://t.co/n4PPvcr1w8

Twitter · Jan 7, 2025, 3:41 AM

[cerulean talon]

Interesting how far they downclocked the 5090.

NGL, the specs kinda scream something like the old x2 cards to me, just a more modern form where it's two nominally isolatable GPU's using a large shared memory space.

[inland mauve]

1KW just for the GPU?

[kind rune]

i just wanna know whats better value between 5070 ti and 5080

[cerulean talon]

575 for a 5090.

[inland mauve]

holy shit

[cerulean talon]

The 12 pin connectors are rated for 600w

[inland mauve]

you might as well buy a PSU just for the GPU at that point

[cerulean talon]

I suspect they had to downclock the chip pretty hard, which is sort of agreed with the speeds.

5090 clocking at 2.01, 5080 at 2.30

That screams "I have a power budget and I went over it."

[inland mauve]

LMAO

[sly walrus]

MULTIVERSE GENERATOR

[inland mauve]

does that mean the 5090 might be an interesting GPU for overclocking?

[cerulean talon]

Unlikely, the last couple generations ahve had all power settings locked in the vbios with very tight signing.

There's likely to be some overhead for OEM's who are willing to ask for 2x12 pins, but that's going to be from the factory OC's, but that's alot of wattage to dissipate.

2x12's means you need a nominal 1200w supply /just/ for the GPU, nothing else.

[inland mauve]

also

who is the 5090 for

I ask this as someone who bought a 4090 and wonders what I need all that power for

[cerulean talon]

I'd consider it, mostly because the 5080 is a little light if I really ran my rig at full power.

[inland mauve]

CP77 with path tracing runs fine as long as I use DLSS

and that's pretty much the worst thing I can throw at it

[cerulean talon]

16gb of vram is a little low for running 3 4k's at high framerates.

I'd also prefer the 512 bit memory bus to get the vram speedup.

[kind rune]

black myth wukong with path tracing might be heavier

[inland mauve]

that is fair

if you're such a heavy user I could see it

[cerulean talon]

I'm one of those weird enthusiasts. xD

[inland mauve]

it's not hard to write a piece of shit software that is so inefficient no GPU will be able to handle it

[cerulean talon]

But I also like my 4k120's running hard and fast.

[kind rune]

digital foundry liked it

[cerulean talon]

Alot of issues with GPU's comes from not understanding how to use GPU hardware efficently. shrug

[inland mauve]

that news about the 5070 is good though, if it is really comparable to a 4090 then it's probably a good high end GPU

[cerulean talon]

It's alot better these days because we've moved away from the "oh, I can write my own engine".

The 5070 is likely a little low for 4k work compared to a 4090 just due to 12gb vram vs 24gb.

That being said, I'd be surprised if you noticed it unless you're doing multiple 4k's or really slamming it hard with games that understand how to use vram properly.

[kind rune]

that might not even matter if dlss 4 just generates 4 billion frames

[cerulean talon]

DLSS still uses vram.

[inland mauve]

yeah but for someone who wants to upgrade and has a sensible budget

[kind rune]

yea but they said the amount of vram it uses is lower now

[inland mauve]

it's a GPU I could recommend to friends who want something high end

[cerulean talon]

Yeah, I wouldn't say it's a 4090 competitor, probally a 4080super-ish.

[kind rune]

theres 0 chance the 5070 is 4080 super level in rast

maybe a 5070 using dlss 4 vs a 4080 super using dlss 3

[cerulean talon]

Yeah, most people aren't going to notice though. If we keep relying on framegen, the upgraded tensor cores will cover up for the worst of it.

[sly walrus]

so we've got captain america, doctor strange, and now thor

[inland mauve]

frame gen is going to stay

[cerulean talon]

That being said, if people auctually properly pipeline and unroll their shaders, it's probally fine just due to the cuda core count.

The thing is a literal 6000 core processor if you know what you're doing.

[inland mauve]

that's not going away

not if it gives higher management more excuses to not grant their devs the time to optimize

[kind rune]

i need to know what the input latency on dlss 4 is

[cerulean talon]

Yeah, so 96 64-wide waves on the 5070

That's wild.

Functionally, yeah, it's probally closer to a 4080 than a 4080 super, it's a nice upgrade in general from a 4070 or really anything older except maybe a 3090ti.

[kind rune]

the 4080 and 4080 super are so close together though

[cerulean talon]

Just because the 3090xx cards ended up in a weird spot because of their vram allocation.

[kind rune]

theres like a 2-3% difference

[cerulean talon]

Cycle up on the cuda cores, classically, nvidia does amazing work optimizing them, clock rates on the 5070 OEM are nearly the speed of the 4080 OEM. The biggest thing limiting it will be the 192 bit memory bus.

That being said, gddr7 vs gddr6 may make up for more of that than expected just due to the absurd clockrates.

[kind rune]

how can ai drive a car it doesnt even have feet

[sly walrus]

presenting, kraftwerk

[cerulean talon]

I'm interested to see how big the dies are on the 5xxx series.

Then I can auctually work out how much they're fleecing. xD

[sly walrus]

i mean

[cerulean talon]

That doesn't look like an actual wafer.

[sly walrus]

he was showing off the guts of the card earlier

that might give you an idea

[cerulean talon]

Yeah, I'll have to see if I can find a decent picture.

If I had to guess, it's probally 5-10% larger in terms of die than a 4090 from a quick glance though, I'll have to see if I can find my old wafer calcs.

[sly walrus]

see, shit like this is what hte vision pro shoulda been for

not commercial entertainment

[cerulean talon]

Hard to beat out google in that space though.

Google glass became a serious product for exploring this, as did microsoft for awhile.

[sly walrus]

guys i think jensen likes marvel

[glossy ravine]

The RTX 5090 legitimately being 2000 USD is hilarious

[cerulean talon]

I mean marvel is likely a huge consumer of Nvidia products.

Wtf wouldn't he like them? xD

[glossy ravine]

It has well passed the point of ridiculous with Nvidia going, "Haha Big Numher go brrrr"

[cerulean talon]

Talk to TSMC and get them to kill wafer prices.

Not that nvidia's not making a good markup, let me be very clear about that.

But it's not as absurd as it seems off clip.

[sly walrus]

can we get a petition to call the supercomputer SHODAN

[cerulean talon]

Isn't shodan taken?

If it's not, someone should name one shodan.

Not on top500, so probally available.

[paper tusk]

yeah I have a lot of press x to doubt on that claim. still might be a decent upgrade for the budget given I have other things I need to spend money on.

[dire viper]

wait so

600 bucks for a 4090, is that what they are claiming