technology-discussion

[dire viper]

does your car use dot 5.1

whar

[late basalt]

what i bled out of the system so far could have doubled as oil with how dark it was

dot4

[dire viper]

wack

the dot 4 ive used is just yellow

looks like vegetable oil

[late basalt]

additives maybe?

[dire viper]

european probably

[late basalt]

does sound about right though

[late basalt]

what i saw looked like viniagrette with water droplets or w/e suspended in it

[dire viper]

oh damn

yea thats fair

brake fluid attracts moisture out of the air

so if you live in a humid place you have to change your brake fluid a lot more, the only other thing to prevent water is to drive hard and brake hard but you cant do that most places

my brake fluid has ZERO water in it cause I run my brakes super hard in the canyons here

[late basalt]

so yea, even if it was still good, was one of those "this makes me nervous now that i know" after seeing it

[dire viper]

the temp the brake fluid reaches under super aggressive braking is water boiling point

[late basalt]

i live in florida, so i get both the humidity and sometimes necessary hard driving ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dire viper]

lmao

I have an M3 so it would be a disservice to not drive it hard in the canyons

[late basalt]

especially when were i am it's rural enough the main roads are 60mph but also have stop lights

[dire viper]

they do that shit here in the middle of the city its awful

have like 6 blocks between lights on a road that is 60mph

cant even reach the speed limit unless you have a car that goes to 60 in less than 4 seconds

[late basalt]

i could probably time it if i remember, but my ford escape does go pretty nicely

especially if it's in S gear (sport gear? dunno, manual says it's a towing/hill gear)

[dire viper]

I like my cah

[late basalt]

could be dry as hell brand new asphalt, from a dead stop if i floor it i still get tire slip

[dire viper]

S is sport ya

just lets you select gears manually hence the towing/hill gear recommendation

[late basalt]

i have to remember to let it start rolling first before i floor it

[dire viper]

the escape is front wheel drive isnt it

thats pretty normal

[late basalt]

sadly

[dire viper]

when you slam the gas, weight shifts over the rear, front wheel drive cars will lose grip

its why rear wheel drive cars go like stink

and properly set up AWD cars go even faster

[late basalt]

the torque steering does throw me off sometimes though if i'm not paying attentino

[dire viper]

yea thats real

Mini built a limited run of modern super Mini Coopers called the GP, they have 300hp and will spin with traction control off and if you dont counter steer against the torque steer

[late basalt]

my previous car was a trailblazer, so rwd, and it kept throwing me for a loop like "great, i've got a worn rod causing steering wobble. fuck"

but yea, if i keep a firm grip on the wheel it doesnt happen much if at all

also i've had it for 3 years before finally realizing/acknowledging i had a cancel/resume button for cruise control

[dire viper]

lmao

ive never used my cruise control on my car

mostly cause its manual so its annoying

[late basalt]

using the on/off toggle was/is just so much more convenient ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dire viper]

yea

[late basalt]

my next bout of car masochism might be installing a hitch receiver finally

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/Bufy6m_-lJY?si=mxYnCTte0P6-51SG&t=620

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-zen-focus-walkman-earbuds-gif-12972884

@potent arrow buy one of these ok

this isnt me asking im telling u

8000rpm in a not VERY fast car but a quick car is so fun

after 3rd gear it takes forever to reach redline in 4th but then you're going over 100mph

my car runs right up to 150mph

doesnt really struggle

cars without the governor do 176 at most

https://youtu.be/0NJkUqXBJJ4?si=HWCgQFyXFNjmc2BM&t=636 I wanna do a full CSL intake but it costs 2000 dollars to get the airbox and another 300-400 bucks for an engine map

[late basalt]

class 3 receiver on wholesaler clearance on rockauto for $108

i...... might take advantage of that

...........

$146 shipping?

fuck

no

[dire viper]

tbf its a reciever

50 pounds, giant

[late basalt]

yea, but at that price i might as well buy one from the local uhaul for the same price w/ free pickup

[dire viper]

true

[late basalt]

although the real question's going to be how easy running the battery wire for the trailer connector underneath the frame's going to be

[dire viper]

they sell kits for that

ford probably has a whole kit that comes in a box with all the instructions

"is there a kit with the provisions to add a trailer connector"

[late basalt]

yea, looking at it now

the issue i'll run into is i've got to run a connecting wire from said box in the back of the vehicle all the way up to the battery

[sly elk]

changed the jeep's oil today finally

13 months, 20 days.. and 2759 miles

[sly elk]

also weird: i restarted into linux and... it's al working fine now. no idea why itw as broken this morning

gg LOL

[sharp star]

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[odd sand]

lmao now that's some Prime Grade A clickbait:

[potent arrow]

nightmare

[odd sand]

Should vacuum your room more, then not as much will be in the rad in the future lol

[potent arrow]

probally the hotels I bring it too lol

its portable

[dire viper]

@potent arrow cool car of the day

Polestar 1

Uses a twincharged high output volvo 4 cylinder and 2 electric motors

600hp total output

only issue is it weighs 2 and a half tons

it was an extremely well built car new though, first top tier factory in china was built just to make them

[potent arrow]

I always wanted a polestar lol

[dire viper]

Similar factory setup to Lexus and Porsche

so hand assembled

[potent arrow]

the polestar 2 is my choice for electric

[dire viper]

true

[potent arrow]

fuck the m3 tbh

it uses volvo parts too iirc so my shops can service them better

[dire viper]

wuh

I mean the Polestar does use some Volvo parts

but now Polestar is separated completely from Volvo

they chose to do that cause it was complicating financial stuff

the Polestar 2 is really a peak car

even if it had a normal combustion engine

I want a V60 Polestar Engineered

it has 41 miles of just electric range

[potent arrow]

gimme

Idk it looks so much better then the model 3 too imo

I hate the tacky yellow seat belts tho

[sly elk]

man this looks fantastic

[potent arrow]

but ive driven a P2 before and it actually sits me well, so uhhh been really tempted

[sly elk]

ESD is a fun thing

[dire viper]

they may be tacky but also no other company gives you seatbelt color options for cars that cost under 100k USD

I honest to god think that Volvo is just the new Mercedes

they do everything better

[potent arrow]

I dont get what the EE market is doing theres like 3 options for the everyday man and the rest are hypercars

its so infuriating

[dire viper]

EE?

[potent arrow]

its like leaf, m3 or polestar lol

EV

[dire viper]

wdym M3

[potent arrow]

Im cooked leave me be

[dire viper]

oh model 3?

[potent arrow]

yeah

[dire viper]

Model 3 is ok

the Leaf is not that good

Polestar good

Lucid Air is good

[potent arrow]

I can never recomend the m3 after seeing all the fucking issues I see with QC from my friends

[potent arrow]

strangely the most reliable commuter out of the bunch from what I can tell

ig theres the Ioniq but idky i dont see those as much

[dire viper]

I can tell u its not

its a Nissan

there general build quality isnt actually good anymore

[potent arrow]

yeah but for intercity and groceries, ive heard theyve lived up

[dire viper]

yuh

but you could buy an i3

[potent arrow]

the lucid air starts at like 100k here

[dire viper]

people hate on the BMW i3 but its peak

[potent arrow]

so weird thing

I never see the i3 lol

[dire viper]

it is the most peak compact EV

[potent arrow]

its cheap but for some reason its not here

Im guessing availability in account

[dire viper]

they didnt sell very many

[potent arrow]

here its either the fuckass leaf or the tesla

[dire viper]

what is funny is they predicted they would only sell 30k of them a year and they were right

[potent arrow]

dont get me wrong,
i hate the leaf

its just the common shitbox ev yaris equivalent seemingly lol

[dire viper]

2021 BMW i3 with range extender

it'll go for another decade

[potent arrow]

need more ev in that 40-60k CAD bracket imo

miracle if we get anything in 30k range, thatl compete with the civic nicely

[sly elk]

i see all kinds of EVs out here

going back 15 years to when i lived in the bay area (holy crap, that long?!) I used to see some weird ass EVs

[dire viper]

considering canada doesnt have a terrible tarrif on chinese EV's, the BYD Seagull should end up in Canada soon

sub 15k USD

[sly elk]

like a little ugly green car with a big headlight in the middle of the front

[dire viper]

12-13k USD

thats like 20k CAD?

[potent arrow]

yeah

[dire viper]

I think its crazy that Subaru actually did regional pricing for Canada

the WRX TR?

shits like thousands of dollars cheaper in canada

[sly elk]

the thing that disturbs me

is I see vinfast EVs

on a somewhat regular basis -_-

[dire viper]

Vinfast is funny

because they had issues, fixed almost all of them in the span of 8 months, and now its a counter culture brand

Vietnamese company?

thats crazy

and their build quality is pretty good

[sly elk]

idk how anyone could feel they were making a statement driving one of those

[dire viper]

for a very young company

[sly elk]

i'd also heard the front end design on them was... not ideal?

[dire viper]

well, very young EV maker, they've been doing combustion engine cars

[sly elk]

i think the name is funny

[dire viper]

Euro safety reviews gave it a 4 out of 5 in safety

[sly elk]

talking about the suspension components or whatever

not the crash safety

idk honestly

[dire viper]

most cars are bad now

plastic control arms and shit

[sly elk]

i was going to make a joke about GM doing that

because GM does totally do that

at least the chrysler platforms i know and love didn't do that

i wonder if ford does

ford usually just makes awful engine bays

i wonder if gm used any plastic suspension parts on our cadillac LOL

[dire viper]

probably

[sly elk]

i don't think so? but also that platform has been around a while

[dire viper]

elastokinematics

you need plastic and rubber

[sly elk]

the plastic fantastic suspension stuff i think started with the current gen malibu

;which car wizard wrote off as mierda

though i think he just hates the turbocharged ecotecs and I can't blame him

[dire viper]

real

[dire viper]

we need more rich ppl like Tyler, The Creator

bro be daily driving his fucking LaFerrari

shit has rock chips all over it

he absolutely whips his E30 M3 also

he has a pink Abarth 131 also

@potent arrow rate the spec

also I LOVE that the E30 M3 rear deck lid is just a giant fucking piece of plastic glued to the standard trunk lid

with a wing molded into it

[potent arrow]

damn thats sex

[hazy frost]

Not the wheels tho

I wish e30s didn’t suffer from incredibly expensive car that is actually overhyped now

80k for a manual not low mileage e30 is absolutely wild idk what they cost in NA

I did almost get a 3 series from that generation tho before just couldn’t justify it, kind of regret it bc now they cost more

Just a base 320i

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-oh-no-sad-gif-15157896

'stance'

[hazy frost]

I just don’t think the 5 spokes are as nice as what comes on the evos

[sly elk]

i think optimal height is when the distance between the tire and the wheel well arch is absolutely uniform all the way around

[hazy frost]

This looks great

They rly got it perfect from factory honestly

[sly elk]

-plastidips the chrome kidney grille black-

or actually

black chrome might look good

[hazy frost]

I should’ve bought that 320i man when it was like £5.5k 😭

[sly elk]

i love those wheels

[hazy frost]

Now the cheapest one I’ve seen here is 10k

[sly elk]

i miss when we did polished wheels

[hazy frost]

True

[sly elk]

or just nice metal alloy colors

[hazy frost]

I hate how so many cars don’t even have alloys

[sly elk]

yea the black wheels don't do it for me

[hazy frost]

I just have grey alloys that came on it

They’d be alright if not scuffed

[sly elk]

what makes me laugh atm are the fake steel wheels

[hazy frost]

Lmao

[sly elk]

yea that black car is a beauty

i think if i did aftermarket wheels on my jeep i'd get bronze ones or gold ones to kinda

go with that subaru sti vibe LOL

since it's almost that shade of blue

[hazy frost]

It’ll only set u back like 200 grand lmao

If ur lucky

That one was low mileage perfect condition

[sly elk]

for 200k there rae a lot of other cars i'd be more interested in

[hazy frost]

For sure

That’s my issue with the e30 m3

Like it’s 70k minimum for a decent one

I could get an e36 for 60 grand less

[dire viper]

they arent that expensive

60k for an ok one

most of the deal with the E30 is that, its a homologation car like a Mercedes EVO, and they didnt sell because they were REALLY expensive

cost more than a fully loaded corvette

[sly elk]

now i wonder

[hazy frost]

The cheapest one rn is £60k for 100k miles and it’s not stock so it’s cheaper

[sly elk]

i wonder what it'd cost to make a custom pcb for common old phones like

remember how certain mercs/bmws came with a motorola v600 or whatever

[hazy frost]

Most of them are more

[sly elk]

the hard part about doing that is there's too many phone models

[dire viper]

back then you were paying way way way more for a car that had a 4 cylinder when you could get a 6 cylinder 3 series

[hazy frost]

Oh it’s 60k bc it’s a track car lol

Second cheapest is 70

[sly elk]

but still, could be kinda fun to stick a cheap 5g phone soc on a board and set it up with the hardware to drive the keyboard/screen on a common phone from that era to make it compatible with modern networks

hehe

[hazy frost]

And most of them are 80

[sly elk]

hmm

[hazy frost]

Even at 60 it’s not worth that much tbh

[sly elk]

are there any cases where you'd take the 200k

and just buy a weird 100k car and use the rest on mechanics

idk i think my i don't care car would be

[hazy frost]

Pretty much

[sly elk]

some kinda 90s rolls royce

[hazy frost]

E30 definitely is one of the cars not worth close to what it sells for here

[sly elk]

.... with a hemi

not an LS swap. a hemi swap.

[hazy frost]

The 200sx in the US is also funny

People asking way too much for all of them

[sly elk]

get my ass kicked out of cars and coffee LOL

[dire viper]

180/200 is overpriced everywhere

they are worth less than a miata imo

[hazy frost]

S14 is cheap here

S13 is still kind of expensive

10-15k for an s14 isn’t bad

[dire viper]

that is bad

[hazy frost]

That’s for a good example lol

[dire viper]

its a nissan that isnt a GT-R

[sly elk]

i remember when those were not unusual

[dire viper]

its expensive because of nostalgia and drifting

[sly elk]

i will tell you

[dire viper]

also because japanese cars rust out instantly lmao

[sly elk]

they probably were worse cars idk

but I think the 300zx looked cooler

[dire viper]

they somehow rust out faster than a 60 year old porsche that has NO rust proofing

[hazy frost]

Idk I see a lot of them here

[dire viper]

300 is actually awesome

[hazy frost]

S14a for £7k was on marketplace the other day

[sly elk]

i'm talking about the later one

[hazy frost]

I’d buy one for that much

[sly elk]

the new edge mustang nissan LOL

[hazy frost]

lol

They’re cool

[sly elk]

idk why they kinda have a

[odd sand]

1990 Toyota trucks say hi! /s

[hazy frost]

I like the previous one

[dire viper]

the 300 was also an actual performance car

[sly elk]

they kinda look like more of a car than they are

like a budget budget ferrari

[dire viper]

more touring than anything tho

[dire viper]

Turbo 300 was pretty substantial as a car

[sly elk]

dude when i was a kid in the 90s

[dire viper]

cost slightly less than a Porsche 968

[sly elk]

those were EVERYWHERE

out here in the bay area

[hazy frost]

They’re cool tho

The 300 is super common here

[sly elk]

i'm not saying they were not cool xD

[hazy frost]

The newer one

[sly elk]

they were cool

[hazy frost]

I see one at every show

[sly elk]

to me those are like the quintessential 80s sports car

[hazy frost]

So I’m kind of bored of it atp

[sly elk]

ahh ok

[odd sand]

Friend had a Twin-Turbo 300 circa 2005-2010ish

[dire viper]

the 300 also had actual performance models made in the US

[sly elk]

dude the venetian blind headlights LOL

[hazy frost]

There aren’t a lot of fun 90s cars for a normal price anymore tho

[dire viper]

there was the SR-71 and the SMZ

both were built by actual motorsport companies involved in indycar and GT class racing

[sly elk]

these remind me more of like

c4 corvette?

[dire viper]

the SR-71 Z32 had larger turbos, HKS powertrain electronics and a body kit

[hazy frost]

Idk if it’s a c4, Pontiac firebird, or fiero lmao

[sly elk]

hng i looked up c3 corvette

[hazy frost]

The mr2 looks more like a fiero tho

[sly elk]

i want one >>

[dire viper]

the SMZ had GT-R motorsports brakes, better intake system, better exhaust, more turbo boost

[odd sand]

My dad owned a stingray corvette briefly, but he resold it after one summer. I did get to drive it once though.

Kinda wild doing 50mph in 3rd gear lol

[sly elk]

that is wild

i'm used to cars that can do like 44mph in 1st gear

[dire viper]

well u dont rev out ur gears normally >:C

[sly elk]

LOL

[hazy frost]

I can’t even do 30 in first gear lol

[sly elk]

i didnt' say i actually did that

[dire viper]

and most modern cars do 60mph in first

[odd sand]

Uhhh wut?

[dire viper]

fuel economy

lol

[hazy frost]

I don’t think so

[sly elk]

but i recall my 300c would do something like that if you floored it

i forgot how high it'd go in first but it was around 44mph iirc

[dire viper]

its 50-60 on most new cars with a manual

[sly elk]

which I thought was funny

[odd sand]

44mph in first was like what? 6k rpm? lol

[dire viper]

the mustangs do 60mph in first

[hazy frost]

Mustang is not most cars tho

[sly elk]

that kinda makes sense

0-60 tests lol

[hazy frost]

A CX 30 is not gonna do the same with gearing as a mustang

[dire viper]

yea but a corolla does 50mph in first

[odd sand]

That still seems crazy to me bc generally the gearing ratio doesn't make sense to stay in first beyond like 15mph

[dire viper]

[sly elk]

you get to balance hitting 0-60 without a gear shift vs.. being in the peak torque band longer?

but with a newer automatic i'd assume having multiple gears is better?

[dire viper]

peppy, harsh first gears ruin fuel economy

cause you're revving out

[sly elk]

i am spoiled rotten by the zf 8 speed 😄

[odd sand]

When I meant 50mph in 3rd, that was at like cruising rpm not even pushing things at all, not redlining it

[dire viper]

ye

[sly elk]

can't even feeel it shifting most of the time

[dire viper]

torque and lightweight car

the Viper is at 900rpm at 70mph in 6th

[sly elk]

otoh harsh reverse gears are funny

i've never owned a chrysler vehicle that couldn't burn rubber in reverse

i want that one mercedes that has 2 reverse gears

[dire viper]

cringe long gearing in most cars now 😔

[hazy frost]

lol I still have to be in 3rd to do 50 but it’s faster than some new cars atl

[sly elk]

tfw you drive in reverse and it shifts up

or DOWN

[dire viper]

buy a V12 aston martin and it will do 60mph in first, Porsche just got rid of the 60mph first gear in the GT3's because you break the law before you even get to shift

[hazy frost]

People do not need more speed in reverse they’re dangerous enough as is

[sly elk]

someone once did a video

where they tried to find the fastest car in reverse

[hazy frost]

The speed at which people pull out blind in car parks and stuff is incredible

[dire viper]

meanwhile the BMW 850CSi has a V12 and its first gear is like 29mph

[sly elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhxwGXV92wQ

102mph was the old record lmao

[dire viper]

you have to shift A LOT in the 850CSi

[hazy frost]

My first gear is like 20 maybe

[dire viper]

its also why the E36 is so sought after

[hazy frost]

I don’t pay much attention

[dire viper]

E36 has pretty short gears cause its not a top speed car

[sly elk]

omg lol

that car flying by in reverse

ahhahaha

[dire viper]

E46 gearing I think is a tad too long

1st tops out at 40

I think it should be 35

maybe 30 exactly

[hazy frost]

Shifting makes it feel like you’re going faster even if it’s identical in torque and power staying in one gear

Therefore it’s better

[dire viper]

the pursuit of top speed has ruined many cars

and also, fuel economy, to some extent lol

[hazy frost]

I get 45mpg

:)

[sly elk]

275.74kmh in reverse lmao

[odd sand]

yeah, you don't think cars have really advanced that much in avg horsepower in the last 20-25 years or so, but like I was surprised how slow the 98 porsche was my mom had for a couple years there. Granted, it was their most "pedestrian" model, but still. My car had better accel than it.

[dire viper]

Porsches main reason for the super long PDK and manual gearing in their GT cars was because of emissions, which it was not the emissions that you would think

noise emissions :)

california is where 30% of Porsches go

so the gears are setup to not break the California noise emissions test

[sly elk]

honestly fair

[hazy frost]

Yeah I mean the Porsche is gonna be better to track still probably but they don’t feel quick on normal main roads

[dire viper]

and also porsche thought that people wanted good fuel economy when touring in a GT3?

[sly elk]

i hate it when cars are unreasonably loud

[dire viper]

COWARD

[sly elk]

you go live on a busy street

[dire viper]

I mean they definitely feel fast

[sly elk]

that said

loud but really good quality like

[dire viper]

going 200mph in a 911 Turbo on a public road feels fast lol

[sly elk]

a v12 or something really frigging exotic

i will sorta give a little bit of an ok on

[hazy frost]

I mean compared to smth newer that’s just got more torque and power you won’t notice how bad it handles in comparison unless ur driving it a certain way

[sly elk]

but like

straight pipe on a ford f150

[dire viper]

in the US you know right away

[sly elk]

i will run outside and start throwing oranges at your truck

[dire viper]

handling is affected a lot by ride quality because suspension dictates both

[sly elk]

and yelling that you have a small penis

[dire viper]

its why a lot of cars just are thrashed here

[hazy frost]

That year didn’t even do 200mph out of factory tho lol

[dire viper]

because they need to have good handling and good ride quality

[dire viper]

I was in a 992 Turbo S on I-80

[hazy frost]

Did u read what we were talking about

[dire viper]

they run up so fast to 200

[sly elk]

i don't think i ever want to do 200mph in a car

[dire viper]

no

[sly elk]

especially on public roads

[dire viper]

I-80 is pretty good

only flat road in the US

[sly elk]

maybe on the autobahn maybe

[hazy frost]

We aren’t talking about new Porsches

Talking about how old sports cars feel slower than new daily drivers if ur driving in a normal way

[dire viper]

near 200mph top speed has been a thing for 25 years now for top dog sports cars

996 Turbo S does 190

[hazy frost]

But that’s not what we were talking about

I’m not disagreeing bc that’s not what I was saying

[dire viper]

I saw what they said

average horsepower has increased a lot actually

[hazy frost]

The old cayman is also not that fast tbh

Which is the one I see the most

[dire viper]

and 0-60 times have literally been cut in half over the last 15 years for basic economy cars

[hazy frost]

Especially automatics for the old ones

[dire viper]

over 10 second 0-60 times down to like 6 for sporty economy cars lmao

[hazy frost]

Idk most normal economy cars haven’t halved

Sporty economy cars don’t count

They put a higher priority on that

[dire viper]

they do cause all they get is more power usually

im talking like

Corolla, Camry

[hazy frost]

Corolla did it in like 8s a decade ago and now it does it in 6

[dire viper]

not an Elantra N which is a complete overhaul of a car that shares only half the parts of a standard car

[hazy frost]

That’s not half

That’s down by 25%

[dire viper]

semantics ig

[hazy frost]

I mean 1/4 is big difference to 1/2

If the Corolla did 0-60 in 4s that would be a lot more impressive

But automatics are also a lot better on newer cars which makes some a bigger gap

[dire viper]

anyways, horsepower has increased to counteract weight in a lot of cars, lots of cars have actually stayed generally the same weight so the increase in power is a benefit. most sports cars have not gotten considerably faster tho, if we are talking affordable ones. Porsches have by a large margin but a Mustang hasnt. the BRZ/86 hasnt. The Miata has weirdly, but thats because the power has gone up while the weight has only increased by 100 pounds over 30 years and the miata has only gotten improved with better tech.

the miata is closer to a Lotus Elise than anything short of a newer elise or exige lmao

[hazy frost]

I mean yeah the 86 went from like 190 to 230 and got heavier

[dire viper]

new miata uses extruded body parts and lots of space frame esque reinforcements, using the most out of its size

[hazy frost]

BRZ same thing

Depends what car it is anyway, hatchbacks haven’t actually gotten that much faster, SUVs got so much heavier they aren’t much faster, sedans have managed the best in general for those improvements I think

[sly elk]

that would also be ridiculous

[dire viper]

it is funny that the miata and McLaren F1 have the same design philosophy lmao, simply the best available for what it is trying to do, which is being the best fun road car

[hazy frost]

The GR Corolla is 5s lol

Or like 4.8 in practice I think or almost 5

[dire viper]

the base BMW 228i does 0-60 in 5.1

[hazy frost]

2 series is so ugly tho

I always hated them but man the new one is bad

[dire viper]

for a car you can get a discount on new its very good

[hazy frost]

I just wouldn’t wanna look at it in my driveway every day

I’d rather have the Corolla but they explode atm

[dire viper]

do they?

[hazy frost]

Well they had issues

[dire viper]

is there an issue with the i4

[hazy frost]

The GR one

[dire viper]

well yea

its a toyota

[hazy frost]

Yeah

It’s a GR yaris engine which was already pushing it running too much power

[dire viper]

they havent done an actual full on sport model for 20 something years, not including the Supra cause that was engineered mostly by BMW

the Yaris yea

[hazy frost]

I still like the supra more atm

[dire viper]

Yaris is tiny compared to a 4 door corolla lmao

[hazy frost]

It’s also cheaper

U can get pretty good deals on the supra but not the z4

[hazy frost]

Yeah it’s not that much less powerful considering but the GR yaris is just stupid

[dire viper]

I think the new 330i looks great

this is an m340i

or is it

did the thing lie to me

oh no it is

its got painted calipers

[hazy frost]

340i x drive is cool

The estate one lol

[dire viper]

I hate to give BMW credit for it but. there touch screen infotainment is actually good

[hazy frost]

Quick bc it’s awd

I think it looks pretty good

A lot better than the 2 series lol

[dire viper]

M240i XDrive is better than a Mustang Darkhorse at everything other than straight line speed, and its only slower in the quarter by .1 second over a 10 speed auto Dark horse

Mustang GT is so sad now

its 30k cheaper than a Dark Horse, and the Dark Horse is basically a glorified handling package unfortunately

[hazy frost]

I’ve always thought the GT is boring compared to the performance mid size sedans anyway

[dire viper]

literally it would be better to buy a GT, put on 6k super bougie suspension, and its a Dark Horse

[hazy frost]

I don’t like many of the modern muscle cars

ZL1 was cool

[dire viper]

we had an exercise in this already, the Mustang Mach 1

GT but with handling

poor mans GT350 but without all the GT350 overheating issues

so its actually better

[hazy frost]

GT500 is actually not that expensive

Tbh

[dire viper]

true

its also built at shelby

so its good!

[hazy frost]

I’d take a gt500 over the dark horse

Easily

[dire viper]

there is also the super snake

if you want a Corvette and Porsche fighting mustang

160k

[hazy frost]

Dark horse is what 65k

[dire viper]

62k starting

GT is 31k

[hazy frost]

Yea

Gt500 starts at 80 but like

Buy a used one lol

[dire viper]

true

[hazy frost]

62k is way too much for that car tho

[dire viper]

m240i xdrive base is 55k after fees and delivery

lmao

[hazy frost]

It’s the best looking mustang we’ve had in a while tbh

But it’s just not that great

[dire viper]

the V8 is funny but also turbo i6

boxer 6's and i6's are just so fun

[hazy frost]

I’m still a fan of the new RS3

They’re like 60k

[dire viper]

I wish that Audi wasnt attached to VW

because i feel like thats been the worst thing for it

[hazy frost]

I think they still have some cool stuff

[dire viper]

the issue is that as margins shrink they've gone to excessive parts sharing

[hazy frost]

The S3 and RS3 mostly

[dire viper]

car platforms shared between brands is fine, its just the Audi being built the same as a VW and costing more is wack

its cool that you can swap RS3 subframes, suspension and brakes onto a GTI but also why the fuck is that possible

[hazy frost]

It depends bc I think a lot of people will daily cars like the 240i or rs3 or mustang GT so like I don’t think the downsides of the rs3 would bother me much

[dire viper]

the people ive seen with RS3's dont daily them lol

[hazy frost]

I do appreciate how easy it is to get performance parts for shitboxes given that I own one lmao

[dire viper]

M240i's definitely

[hazy frost]

The few people with one I know do

[dire viper]

they're like cockroaches here

[dire viper]

yea the GTI is awesome for that

its cheap af to mod

[hazy frost]

If u have a polo/golf platform there’s like infinite part choices

[dire viper]

but its funny because RS3 specific aftermarket parts are way more, despite some of the GTI aftermarket parts bolting right on lmao?

same part but 150 dollar price difference sometimes

the RS line has been BMW'ed in terms of being fucked over on aftermarket prices

[hazy frost]

RS3 is just ridiculous from factory id only want to do mods for suspension on it

[dire viper]

yuh

[hazy frost]

I could put a TT engine in my car

That would be fun

[dire viper]

at the end of the day just buy old cars

996 Turbo's are like sub 50k

speed yellow turbos are the most expensive at around 60

[hazy frost]

Some guy with a polo has a TT engine making like 270hp I think

I can’t remember who it is now

[dire viper]

I want a Golf R32

but they are rare

[hazy frost]

They’re not too expensive here

[dire viper]

funny VR6

its also hard to find one that isnt crazy modified

or automatic

[hazy frost]

10-15k for an ok one

[dire viper]

thank u VW for selling manual ones in the US

[hazy frost]

It’s not cheap but

It’s worth it I think lol

[dire viper]

I mean 10-15k sterling is like 20k USD equivalent

most of the R32's I see are 25-35k USD

even if its branded title

[hazy frost]

Yeah that’s rough

[dire viper]

LMAO

[hazy frost]

I saw one for 7 here but

It was not looking great

U can get a 2015 golf R for like 20k here lol

Hot hatches are like the cheapest thing u can look for in this country

[dire viper]

yea thats about the same in the US

[hazy frost]

Everyone had them especially in the 90s and 00s

[dire viper]

30k USD equivalent

[hazy frost]

I’d like an escort RS cosworth but those are real expensive

That engine is awesome as well

[odd sand]

I feel like after Dieselgate, VW in the US fell off a cliff and never recovered

[dire viper]

they just didnt recover

period

Dieselgate wasnt just a US thing

[hazy frost]

I think the Skoda and seat versions are cooler and cheaper anyway

[dire viper]

VW basically actually made cleaner diesels that met EURO requirements sooner than petrol cars

the changes in the ECU to cheat the system were a much more recent thing, probably 2 or 3 years prior to the whole first break on the story

sounds like VW couldnt keep diesels actually clean and had to cheat to meet global sales demands and investment returns

[sly elk]

even before that vw wasn't really idk

i think their fall happened before that

[dire viper]

eh

sorta?

[odd sand]

I mean, you still saw a lot of Beetles and golfs etc. around

[dire viper]

market for cars has been declining a lot over the last decade

[odd sand]

They were relatively well represented

[dire viper]

VW just has an identity issue

[odd sand]

Then again, maybe I just don't notice them as much if they shifted to SUVs bc I don't give af about SUVs and so I don't really pay attn to the brands for them

Since all mid-size and full-size SUVs these days look almost identical

[sly elk]

BINGO!

[dire viper]

BMW is sporty, mercedes is opulence, VW is... nothing

Audi is... nothing

[sly elk]

imho THIS was when VW lost their touch in the US

and it was why the 2nd gen new beetle failed

and why the 'new vw bus' took forever and a half to lanch

[dire viper]

porsche is opulent performance, Lamborghini is obscene

[hazy frost]

Tbf a lot of companies have nothing and do better so like

Idk

[sly elk]

so

around 2004 or so

VW decided they wanted to be a luxury brand

... which made absolutely no sense because that's audi duh

[odd sand]

The ID.buzz does look pretty fun, but I imagine the price on it is like what? 40k+?

[dire viper]

its because other companies are cheaper or their identity is reliability or some political statement

[sly elk]

60k+

[dire viper]

its 70k

[hazy frost]

But Passat v12

[dire viper]

which in the current market its not that crazy

[sly elk]

Phaeton!

[hazy frost]

Lmao

[sly elk]

yea the Phaeton was about the moment where VW had fully jumped the shark lol

and they doubled down on it

[odd sand]

I mean, 70k is still like twice the cost of the average family vehicle tho...

[sly elk]

when they were like "ehh you dumb americans JUST DONT GET IT"

and they started selling the US a china-market passat/jetta

[dire viper]

the average age of a new car buyer is 56

[sly elk]

and kept their $50k base passat for germans

[odd sand]

I believe it. Can't afford shit new anymore

[dire viper]

yes

well

[odd sand]

They want like 50k for a fucking Chevy Colorado

[dire viper]

yes

[hazy frost]

It was cool as hell tho

Impractical too

[sly elk]

yes it was

[hazy frost]

Everything you could possibly want from a family car

[dire viper]

well the Colorado starts at 32k

but why would you buy a pickup new?

they depreciate like a rock

[odd sand]

I considered a Jetta for awhile, but I think at the time they went with the center-dash instrumentation craze the year I was at the auto show and was like meh

[sly elk]

but yea the b6 passat looked like a nissan altima and cost twice as much and offered nothing for that twice as much

[dire viper]

the ID Buzz is cool tho

it really is a unique little minivan

[hazy frost]

The VW arteon is pretty cool

[sly elk]

the jetta was even worse iirc

[odd sand]

Do they? Has the market finally cooled off on trucks? Bc I knew for awhile there the prices were insane

[sly elk]

the arteon is still a perfect sign of what i mean though

they tried to sell that shit for like 50-60k

and it's just a fwd econobox

[dire viper]

yea, also depending on where you live it changes things a lot

and what search engine you are using

[sly elk]

i thought vw was doing ok with their suvs though

but vw seems to have gone for the

infiniti/acura bracket

the "why does this brand even exist?" crowd

[dire viper]

Infiniti doesnt exist

[hazy frost]

I mean it’s a nice one

[sly elk]

like somehow

[odd sand]

My dad was running his 99 Silverado into the ground until he recently bought some newer white fleet truck that was sold at auction or something.

[sly elk]

acura seems even less relevant than chrysler

[dire viper]

lmao

so real

[hazy frost]

Most of the brands selling cars in specific countries that have other versions elsewhere suck

[sly elk]

chrysler's facebook is so funny

they still post about 300s a lot

[odd sand]

The 99 has like 350k on it I think and the truck bed wheel wells are rusting out pretty bad now and it's always had wonky electrical issues that were never worth the cost of getting the entire harness replaced

[sly elk]

they stopped making them last year and don't erally have any left to sell

[hazy frost]

The only good one is Lexus tbh

[sly elk]

but i guess they can't really talk about the one van they still sell

[hazy frost]

Opel, Infiniti, Acura are/were all kind of ass

[dire viper]

Acura was just rebadged Honda's

but also Acura had an identity for a while

the Acura Legend really was a stand out car

[sly elk]

yea the TL also stood out a lot

[odd sand]

Yeah I think Acura kinda doesn't have a reason for existence anymore.

[sly elk]

these were the last stand for acura imho

[odd sand]

They aren't so upscale that Honda can't simply have a trim level that reaches what the Acura does mostly.

[dire viper]

they didnt sell a sporty Civic other than the Si here, they did sell an Integra Type R tho

so Acura did fill a gap

[hazy frost]

Yeah I’m pretty sure Honda already matches that now lol

[dire viper]

until they started selling the Type R Civic, and Honda generally went nicer

cause Acura was supposed to be the nice cars

[hazy frost]

They could’ve just sold the Honda one tho so like

It’s stupid

[sly elk]

yea this

[dire viper]

which one

[odd sand]

Although I did strongly consider getting an Acura TLX AWD

[dire viper]

the Civic Type R/

[sly elk]

this is exactly the kinda thing LOL

[dire viper]

Civic Type R didnt meet US emissions for a long time

[sly elk]

i don't really understand it

[hazy frost]

The integra being Acura not Honda is weird

[sly elk]

iirc honda didn't really do things like leather or heated seats

[hazy frost]

The RSX is also weird

[odd sand]

Bc I wanted a sporty AWD car that had a manual or at least full bump shifting

[dire viper]

RSX is peak

[sly elk]

that was when you bought an acura

[dire viper]

cheap as fuck and a good car to mod

[hazy frost]

Yeah but why it’s not just an integra I don’t understand

[sly elk]

also

the rsx was one of those 'teen killer' cars

[dire viper]

yes

same with the tC

[hazy frost]

The RSX and integra could’ve been sold under Honda as the integra

[sly elk]

i don't think the tc was

err

[dire viper]

tC is the speeding ticket printer

lmao

[sly elk]

LOL

[dire viper]

one of the highest speeding ticket rates out of a car still

[hazy frost]

Atl Lexus had specific cars that u couldn’t get basically anywhere except Japan under Toyota

[sly elk]

no i mean the tc at least had safety measures from that decade

[dire viper]

the tC looks and feels sporty

[sly elk]

iirc the rsx was a 2005 body on a 1998 car

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/sgLKVoRmbj4?si=afPWPSh7o2sfPL3Q ay yo

[sly elk]

my thoughts might be wrong but as I recall it didn't have any kind of electronic stability control

not even sure it had ABS

[odd sand]

Scion tC? Yeah that one I thought was the only decent looking Scion lol. Although wasn't it a rebadged Corolla?

[hazy frost]

This is better

[sly elk]

with the broken trunk handle

[dire viper]

u dont need those things kyanche

[sly elk]

the one that really blows my mind

is how fast the first gen xb disappeared off the road

[dire viper]

idk how people spin FWD cars

but they manage it

[hazy frost]

lol

[sly elk]

like imho

[dire viper]

by design they dont wanna spin unless its a brand new type r or mini gp

[sly elk]

the first gen xb was the best looking car toyota ever made

change my mind

[hazy frost]

I’ve not managed to spin a fwd car

[dire viper]

you need stability control in a good weight distribution RWD car tho

[sly elk]

the only way i've heard of spinning out fwd is hydroplaning

[dire viper]

if it has actual power

[hazy frost]

If it’s not raining heavily it’s impressive if u lose traction in a fwd car

[sly elk]

but i mean otherwise

losing traction is just gonna make the car go straight instead of turning

because fwd sucks 😄

also fwd engine bays are hideous

[odd sand]

My friends still have one lmao. They got into an accident with it while moving cross country and the driver door got fucked and it's been sitting in their driveway with a towel crammed into the window to keep it sealed bc the window won't go up all the way anymore. For some reason they haven't sold it and haven't bothered finding a spare door from a junkyard

[hazy frost]

Nuh uh

[sly elk]

yes they are!

wth the stupid sideways engine

[dire viper]

the xbeezy

[odd sand]

It's been in their driveway for like 2 years now unmoved

[hazy frost]

I love my stupid 1.2 fwd creature

[sly elk]

take this 2017 civic si for example

why is the engine <<<< over there

[dire viper]

because

it needs to be

transmission is on the other side

[sly elk]

fwd is stupid

[odd sand]

I don't get it either bc he's a CTO for a company and they have a brand new Ford Bronco top trim and he's got a WRX as well. So why they keep the xB molding there I dunno

[sly elk]

it's for people who live in places with crappy weather

[dire viper]

i mean

it snows here and I be driving rwd

[sly elk]

pft lol

[sly elk]

no I mean

[hazy frost]

Not mine

[sly elk]

give you a heart attack shoveling snow snow

[dire viper]

the only time RWD is legitimately bad is when there is INCHES of snow on the road

[sly elk]

not technically it snows

but your ass is getting fired from target if you don't show up at 6am in the blizzard weather

[hazy frost]

lol

[sly elk]

and everyone's mad at you for being late

and your heating bill is like $1600 a month

that snow

[dire viper]

thankfully in states where it snows regularly they have plowing down to a science

[odd sand]

I have the best of both worlds with my Stinger being AWD, but does the whole power bias thing so in sport mode it's like 90% RWD

[hazy frost]

If it snows here it’s not a problem bc it can be dealt with easily

[sly elk]

the stories people have on reddit or whatever about snow lol

they're like

[hazy frost]

It rains a lot but like I can just cope with that

[sly elk]

i woke up for work and snow was above my front door

[hazy frost]

Occasionally I’ll shit myself when I go through a giant puddle or something at the side of the road

But that’s as bad as it gets

[dire viper]

oh also every single longitudinal engine is slightly off center for the transmission and drive shaft, also cause of torque

[sly elk]

for me that was the year it rained a hell of a lot in california back in like idk 2010

[odd sand]

How to say you live in Buffalo/Syracuse without saying you live in upstate NY /s

[dire viper]

or in the case of BMW's, they used to be VERY off center

BMW angled the engines by 60 degrees and then slightly moved them to the right for all the fun physics stuff

[sly elk]

i was going down highway 58 at like 20mph

i had a line of cars behind me and pulled over to let them pass

and they fucking didn't

because nobody wanted to be the lead lmao

[dire viper]

hence why the cylinder head is all the way over to the right at an angle

[odd sand]

Although I suppose I've seen funky pics like that from people living up near Tahoe as well

[sly elk]

tfw when every time you hit a puddle it noticeably slows the car down hard

like you're doing 40 and hit the puddle and now you're doing 25

[odd sand]

That's what happens when you don't bother to crown your roads at all to deal with any sort of precip

[sly elk]

honestly that's FINE

[dire viper]

cars are very asymmetrical because physics requires it

same reason why planes and helicopters are

[sly elk]

but like idk

i don't like sideways engines

[dire viper]

the Mi-24 is just so wonky

looks like it was thrown onto a table and smooshed a lil

[odd sand]

crazy Russians /s

I assume some stuff is asymm so it can loiter in circles?

Not that a heli needs to do that to stay aloft but

[dire viper]

weight, prop wash, a lot of things

its why every planes propellers are angled

mono prop planes that have the propeller in the nose, have the prop angled, because the air literally rotates around the plane and pushes into the rudder

and when its angled the effect is reduced

but because its still present, it makes the plane fly straight

very odd shit

[odd sand]

I'm always amazed how quickly they figured out how to fire through the propeller with guns and what a simple solution it was heh

[dire viper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissymmetry_of_lift

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/vY6jOFHGetc?si=jl17qNrGID3GY7aL

[shadow oracle]

Lmao Wtf is going on

https://reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1gd7xnh/arrowlake_big_little_core_scheduling_remains/

Disabling all E cores boosts gaming performance by 10%

disabling all but 1 P core also boosts gaming performance by 10%

[real edge]

wtf lol

[shadow oracle]

It's so fucking wild

[lost python]

lmao

[shadow oracle]

Like

??????

Boosting gaming performance by 10% would unironically make it at least competitive

[sharp star]

Intel moment

[hazy frost]

Intel promised us dropping hyperthreading for more E cores would be good

They’re working out real well it seems

That happened with raptor lake tho with scheduling too

I’ve seen a lot of people who waited for the U9 now buying the 9950x tho

[celest violet]

Hardware companies design a good product challenge

[hazy frost]

X3D CPUs:

[celest violet]

True

Crazy after how good the 5800x3D was designed that the newer 3Ds aren't as good

But maybe that's intended

[hazy frost]

What? The new ones are definitely as good

The 7800x3d and 7600x3d and 7950x3d are faster than anything else pretty much

Let alone when 9000 ones are out

[celest violet]

Oh yeah I know the performance is good. More so meaning they could have done better like they did for the 5800x3D

5800x3D vcache was legendary

[hazy frost]

Yeah but I mean the 7000 is exactly the same

The problem is comparing the 5800x3d to non x3d CPUs and comparing the 7800x3d to the 5800x3d

And 5000 was a decent step up on 3000 anyway

I think you underestimate how good the 7800x3d is tho

[celest violet]

I don't mean that the performance is bad by any means. More so that I think AMD could have given more to us at the price point if that makes sense

Nvidia, intel, and amd could all stand to do better at the price points. But ig lack of competition maybe

I feel like at the price given, the 5800x3D was doing better by the consumer, not that either of them are bad chips

[sly elk]

yea AMD has a habit of doing that

if they make a very successful product, the next gen of it tends to be kinda conservative because they're like "oh people are gonna buy this anyway so let's screw them a little for more profit"

the way I saw it when I bought my 7800x3d a year and a half ago was the 7800x3d is just a 5800x3d on a ddr5 platform

at the time the benchmarks kinda looked that way too LOL

there was zero reason for someone owning an am4 motherboard to buy a new motherboard to get a 7800x3d unless they really wanted a new motherboard

AM4 itself was AWESOME

you're talking about motherboards from 2017-2018 still being relevant today

i initially ordered an x470+1700x I think and canceled it and ordered a z390 and 9700k
that was a huge mistake lmao

oh well, I like my x870e+7800x3d 🙂

hmmmm

should i buy a 2.5gbe switch :3

the $49 ubiquiti one is in stock again

[hazy frost]

My x670e and soon maybe 9900x3d should last forever

I hope

[sly elk]

word hahaha

i don't need it

[hazy frost]

What chipset is the x870e even using tho lol bc the x870 is just the b650e is the x870e much over the x670e

[sly elk]

but i will probably buy a 9x00x3d when they come out

[hazy frost]

Is it just PCIe 5 lanes

[sly elk]

but what i really want

if the prices are good anyway?

probably a radeon 8900xtx or whatever the heck they call it

[hazy frost]

That won’t exist

[sly elk]

as long as they don't do 12vhpwr

[hazy frost]

They’re not making high end cards next gen

[sly elk]

that sucks :\

[hazy frost]

I’d expect an 8800xt at most

50 series doesn’t look very good except the 5090 again

[sly elk]

I thought they were just not trying

[hazy frost]

Even the 30-40 series jump looks better

[sly elk]

i assume an 8800xt would be faster than a 7900xtx?

maybe?

maybe it makes the 7900xtx cheaper? :3

i want an amd card because nvidia linux drivers annoy me a bit

[hazy frost]

Afaik they’re only targeting the market that makes them the most money anyway

[sly elk]

and hdmi 2.x

[hazy frost]

Well the 7800xt isn’t faster than the 6950xt so not sure

[sly elk]

LOL

fair

[hazy frost]

The 7800xt is equal to the 6900xt ish

So maybe 7900gre or 7900xt if they make an 8800xt

[sly elk]

as it stands i've got a 3080ti and it

[hazy frost]

But each generation so far AMDs RT performance has gotten closer to Nvidias as well

[sly elk]

it works perfectly fine for my needs

it's kind of a "just barely" though

[hazy frost]

I have a 4070ti that I’ll replace with a used 4090 tbh

7900xtx isn’t a big step up for me

[sly elk]

it drives my 7680x2160 monitor, but only at 120hz

and the games i play on it play fine, but around 90fps lol

[hazy frost]

I might get a 32” 4K OLED if I get a 4090 tbh

[sly elk]

but also

[hazy frost]

I’d like a bigger display

[sly elk]

it's fine

like

the 90fps more than does it for me!

[hazy frost]

3080ti just doesn’t have enough vram

Only downside of it not being a 3090

[sly elk]

iirc aside from vram the 7900xtx was more of a side-grade that would cost $$

[hazy frost]

7900xtx is quite a bit better

[sly elk]

and i'd be the dumbass to want the sapphire nitro 😄

so more like a $400 sorta but not really upgrade

[hazy frost]

It’s like 30% faster iirc

Its onlt 20% faster than mine and not even that in games I play so I cba

I don’t think the 7900xt or xtx were amazing anyway

[sly elk]

word

the 30% sounds really really generous and probably in specific stuff

[hazy frost]

$1000 launch price on the xtx killed it for me

[sly elk]

word lol

they do sometimes dip into the 800s for the powercolor ones

[hazy frost]

Almost same price as a 4080 and it has worse power draw, RT, and back then FSR sucked

7900xt launching at over £100 more than the 4070ti here was funny tho

Idk in what world they thought people would buy that

[hazy frost]

U could get one for $740 like a month ago I think

The 7900xt was $650 I think as well

4080super is $900 now too

Battlemage won’t save us I think lmao

[sly elk]

3 days ago you could get a sapphire pulse 7900xt for 635

[hazy frost]

Yeah sounds about right

4070ti is like 650 now too bc of the super which is a weird price

The 4070ti super is like the same price as the 7900xtx it’s weird

[sly elk]

the 7900xt pulse is currently 649 on newegg

[hazy frost]

Cheap

Not a big upgrade from the 3080ti tho lol

It’s actually impressive that the 6900xt was faster than the 3090

xtx didn’t manage such feats

Like 6950xt matched the 3090ti up to 4K and the 4090 is 30% faster than the 7900xtx lmao

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/rMi-tdzPwuU?si=cU_OwcnMMD9SDv8e @potent arrow twin turbo v12 yummy

[sly elk]

why so much storage o_O

also that's gonna be noisy LOL

THAT ONE

LOL

[sly elk]

those things are almost certainly overkill

but yea if you want a rackmount case with drive sleds

but the price isn't too shocking

[potent arrow]

just use like

an atx case lol

[modest moss]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[cerulean talon]

Why not?

I need to find a colo that’ll give me 25amps or so

I need to rack the nas somewhere xD

[potent arrow]

why not just use an atx case with a bunch of drives

there are some cases with a pipes of HDD space

ram in a fuck ton of icy docks into a cheap case

basically what I did

that's why I use icy docks loo

I don't really hotswap too often tho tbh

only when drives are fubared

[cerulean talon]

Icy docks are expensive

Trayless hot swap is where it’s at

Though I might get that super micro with room for 24? Drives

https://www.ebay.com/itm/146109299845?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=rI5jpFxtSLW&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Just get myself one of these and be done with it

That’s what I’d do tbh

16 slots is a little limiting, 36 would be nice

And turning on the 60 bay monster is hard inside of the house