technology-discussion

[real edge]

I hope they fix the heat and power consumption issues

[deep sapphire]

It’s going to be significantly better. Going from 10nm to 3 is a huge leap

The notebook chips are already out and have had plenty of praise

[real edge]

competition is good

[paper tusk]

that's for the performance profile (set to PL2 on 7/9 cpus, or 159w on 5 245K). blame intel for it still being confusing (also that you can ignore the extreme profile's existence)

so yet another thing that needs benchmarking (the impact of the new intel default or performance profile has on amount of work done to electricity used)

[real edge]

waiting has always been worth it for me personally, good things have always come if I was patient

[sly elk]

you understand why i don't want it

i will say

between my asus z390 maximus hero ... and my x670e carbon, yea the asus had better audio i think

but also, are you even using onboard audio?

and for the price difference between a board with high end audio and a board without, you can buy a nice dac anyway

[paper tusk]

yeah although it's never available in the US so the next least bad option for me is a asrock b650 pg lightning (and buy a intel ax210 wifi card separate)

[lost python]

guess im lucky that i got my hands on one

[paper tusk]

it's just affordable ($150 us moneys) and decent

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93K6SJoBnua-x9O-y_6hv8sPs/edit?gid=0#gid=0

8 layer board, no disassembly to put in mentioned wifi card, plenty of usable pcie slots/m2 slots for my garbage

since I'll use a x3d cpu the vrm's are whatever

[lost python]

also its one of the few b650 boards that come with a good amount of USB ports in general and USB-C 3.2 10gb without costing 250-400$

[golden stream]

I think imma upgrade to either current gen or next gen if there are boards w plethora of ports like that

[sly elk]

hehe

@tame fulcrum i'm surprised you don't have some KEFs or some other reddit approved speaker

i guess edifers?

heheh

sooo I think what i'm going to do is buy one of these because it comes with a free g4 pro camera... and it turns out I do want one of those

kinda laughing at the absurdity of buying a 7 disk NVR

i guess i could load it up with cheap 1tb ssds

yeaa actually that's not a bad idea

[hazy frost]

caring about audio enough to buy a specific board but not buying a DAC instead is insane to me

Like a reasonably priced dac is miles better than any expensive motherboard is

[wise musk]

I can’t even post any screenshots anymore without discord nitro now that u have 4k displays…

[pine thistle]

desktop still doesn't have automatic compression does it?

[wraith agate]

They reduced the non-nitro file size to 10 mb

That's nothing

[sly elk]

I agree lol

But when they do it well it does work well

My old Asus board used an ess dac and had very good amplification on the headphone jack

But here's the problem with thar

Aside from the noise inside the case the headphone io header is probably the world's cheapest wiring hahaha

Not hard to fix that though

And when I plug my dt880a into my. Computer it's not like I could sit there and go oh this is crap boy do I wish I had some good Schitt right now

Too noisy a house for that lmao

Everything integrated onto an expensive motherboard can be had cheaper separately and the dac is one of those things lol

[hazy frost]

i think anyone who cares about audio should just get the $50 dac and be happy

good investment

[sly elk]

Fan control is another

Th only downside of the dac

Is more shit on my desk

[hazy frost]

put it under the desk

[sly elk]

More shit under my desk

[hazy frost]

a lot of people make smth to attach it to the bottom

[sly elk]

More usb shit

And usb shit that likes being troublesome too

Also worth laughing over

[hazy frost]

lol

[sly elk]

My amd motherboard uses a ducking usb audio chip

[hazy frost]

i ke ep mine on my desk but its tiny so

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/yanabells-yanabellz-stil-awake-im-still-awake-cant-sleep-gif-25478609

[hazy frost]

i had an audio interface already

[sly elk]

Sweet

[hazy frost]

theres smaller ones u can get than this

[sly elk]

I just use wharber

[hazy frost]

i got focusrite on sale

[sly elk]

Wharber lol wtf whatever 8 mean

I have a focus rite and my elgato wave 3 has a good headphone jack lmao

[hazy frost]

nice

[sly elk]

Like real good

[hazy frost]

focusrite stuff is overpriced normally tbh

[sly elk]

Honestly. Prefer using that than the gpcuarite

Because of the giant headphone jack lmao

[hazy frost]

i have an actual amp as well but that is NOT going on my desk

[sly elk]

Mwh

There's always those like ifi ones or whatever

The weird looking dac Amp. Combo

[hazy frost]

im gonna just put it somewhere else and have cables long enough to reach

[sly elk]

Idk

I think Schitt isn't worth buying

Keep seeing. Complaints about it breaking

[hazy frost]

i got it for free i wouldnt have bought one usually

[sly elk]

Even someone here had a Schitt thing break on them

[hazy frost]

havent seen it

[sly elk]

And it's like dude how do you fuck something up like that lol

[hazy frost]

skill

[lost python]

i got a schiit stack back when everyone was still talking about how great they are for the price

[sly elk]

Ifi zen

They used to be cheap

They are no longer cheap

[hazy frost]

nothing is cheap anymore

[sly elk]

And they are kinda weirdooking

[lost python]

turning 5 years old soon and still holding up, except the volume knob sometimes rubbing and generating noise, but moving it back and forth a couple times every few weeks fixes that

[sly elk]

That's good to hear

I still don't get how something so simple can even break lol q

[lost python]

manufacturing defects etc happen all the time

[sly elk]

Someone sniffed too much solder

[lost python]

at least its not like audient and their weird history with dacs/amps suddenly sending deafening noise through your speakers

[sly elk]

Isn't audiemt the one that makes Hella expensive cables wait no that's not

Audiemt is the id4 company

[lost python]

ye

[sly elk]

I remember seeing those reviews lmao

Omg I spent like 2 weeks agonizing over which interface to hit

Ended up just buyinv a scarlet solo for like 89 bucks on sale at Amazon

[lost python]

i just went with trusty old focusrite right away. still regret not getting the scarlett solo 4th gen, because it has the XLR port on the backside, which would have been ideal for me

[sly elk]

No I a. Thrilled

I almost spent twice that for a ua volt

And I wanted the fancy one with thw wood sides and the knobs on top

Those are giant fucking ripoff lmao

[lost python]

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/telmo-coca-harina-raquetaso-esnifar-gif-25660568

I could spend that money on so much other good stuff

[lost python]

my biggest disappointment was that nobody prepared me that i would need a fethead or cloudlifter for my mic. so excited to get my hands onto it and then boom, cant hear shit

[sly elk]

Lmao are you using a sm7b

[lost python]

nah, i went for the procaster because i liked how it sounds more than the 7b

[sly elk]

I don't like how people always set them up to make their voice heavier

[lost python]

buy popular interface
click radio filter
boom

[sly elk]

I like my voice to sound like it should and that's that

But also

I really should buy. Dynamic mic

One of these days my brothers had words are gonna make it through in a meeting

[lost python]

yeah im glad mine rejects noise from behind somewhat well

still, setting up noisefilters and compressors in eAPO took ages until i had a setup i was happy with

[hazy frost]

i still use a USB mic i paid like £40 for lol

didnt wanna buy an xlr one

bc it would be more annoying to use on multiple devices

[golden stream]

Meanwhile me: zoom h1n goes BRRRRRR

[wise musk]

They reduced it to 10mb

[pine thistle]

yeah but that wouldn't be an issue if the client just jpeg'd shit before sending it, like every other messenger

I suppose by making it inconvenient they get people to buy nitro

[wise musk]

My annoyance is that It’s 2024 and I can only upload a 10mb file and stream to my friends unless I fork up 10 a month.

At this point I might just host a teamspeak server like a boomer

[wise musk]

Exactly, it has a term. Shitification

[pine thistle]

can TeamSpeak even do either of those things

been a few years since I used it

[wise musk]

It can, it is definitely less user friendly then discord. Neither is it as pretty (the UI)

[pine thistle]

Enshittification but yeah

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/Y2XtF7A8Rj0?si=XfqVIc3e4A4DvWf8

They were disappointed by the Zonda

F50 is the F50 so it was good

[potent arrow]

@dire viper straight into a ditch time

[dire viper]

Yes

Where a jeep belongs

[potent arrow]

dude the drive assist on this is so fucking aggressive lol

it yanks your wrist if you look at the lane wrong

[dire viper]

Basically the Zonda looks good and is entirely bespoke but the actual pure Zonda’s drive terribly unless you just use it as a touring car but then there are better offerings from equally expensive cars (the Zonda’s go for around 7-10 million)

[dire viper]

I hate new commuter cars

This is why most younger drivers are bad I think, they get handed a new cheap shitty car with all these crazy aggressive safety features so they don’t actually need to drive lmao

[potent arrow]

lmfao

so like

I dont really drive commuter cars ever

I drive a civic from 2012

that thing has negative safety features

and my track cars want me dead

so like whenever i rent these vehicles im like shellshocked lmao

[dire viper]

Yes

I can’t drive my grandmas Mazda

It has zero steering feel and zero pedal feel

The seating position makes me feel too high

[potent arrow]

yeah is that like

common lol

People look at me like im crazy when Im like, I get no road feedback at all

I feel like the power steering on this is a lot stronger and dampened then the 600-800hp monsters I drive

[dire viper]

Yes

It’s now common on factory cars with that much power

Which is scary cause how tf do you know what the tires are doing

Like new BMW’s

570hp M3 that will go sideways at any moment and you can’t feel the front tires doing anything

Same with the M2

M2 is fat and has zero steering feel

And has weird turbo lag

[potent arrow]

The db12 was neat, it corrects itself really well if you ease up

and I can feel the road with it

[dire viper]

Ye I think the rear has more weight?

Aston does a really good job with chassis

If it wasn’t for dickhead lance stroll they would be slaughtering F1 rn

But he’s the son of Aston’s owner so he gets to race despite not being at that level

Fernando Alonso hardcore carrying and he’s twice the age of his closest competitors

[deep sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVyu7NB7W6Y

phones really do need to change, the basic landline design doesnt work anymore

[cold yacht]

Driving any new car is weird to me Ngl, compared to my 03 bucket

When I test drove a Subaru Impreza felt 0 resistance in the steering wheel

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/m0qp_tXTIi0?si=ACbzLyzAScqqfNkR @deep sapphire old V12 car sound so good

[sly elk]

i miss oldschool hydraulic steering

[dire viper]

I like how they complained about the steering being numb in the early 2000’s sports cars

Lots of reviewers did

And now lol

Get a 800k Ferrari and you can’t feel a single thing it’s doing but it’s so well engineered it doesn’t matter

[late basalt]

@cerulean talon when spaghetti code gets out of hand-

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/TvsxEGcthFo?si=-fSkJMS8yKYk5bJ8 @potent arrow

The single most driven Nissan 400R

Vinny is reviewing it in this video but the actual owner iirc drives it at least once a week which is insane

Most of these cars have under 1000km

Only 44 were built so lol

[potent arrow]

wtf

I want it

[sly elk]

o_O

that can't be real lol

[neon shell]

SE making the landline design

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/5YMAqqCYe00?si=t7mUY7YaEUxsP7t7 HOLY SHIT HES DOING A BIG BOY REVIEW

[deep sapphire]

god damn

[dire viper]

yea its hard to get the scale of just how big Big Boy is lmao

ive been next to it while it was in Utah

[kind rune]

it really is a big boy

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/yEEiFRaCbU4?si=RZ8Jmb_92r5xSH2t holy crap

matching yellow and red ferraris goes crazy

he has a Dino 206/246 with an F40's twin turbo V8 slightly detuned

[lost python]

props to fractal. they still havent forgotten me and my rusty screws and fans and they keep sending me regular status updates about the status of my replacement parts

[royal forge]

Thats actually p neat of em

I remembered i had an asus laptop. They "serviced" it by reformating it despite it being a CPU problem and then gave it an extra dent

Then about 2 months after i got it back they updated me to say they have sent my laptop back to me

[sharp star]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/kaspersky-deletes-itself-installs-ultraav-antivirus-without-warning/ ???????????????

[eternal zinc]

Nvr liked them from the beginning

[lost python]

man, i really want a new monitor

maybe i will gift myself one for christmas

[royal forge]

Get two so the monitor wont get lonely

[lost python]

i have 2 already

[royal forge]

4 > 3

My point still stands

[lost python]

imagine having space

[royal forge]

2 on top of 2?

[lost python]

what kinda monitor arm is strong enough to support heavy ass screens so high up

[royal forge]

Wall?

I dunoe

[lost python]

my desk is not on a wall

[royal forge]

I only have one

Which are you considering

I'm debating a second one

But i also promised myself to get MGEX Full Armor unicorn if I get into my Masters

[lost python]

not sure honestly, they are all so expensive

i just know i dont want an ultrawide and i dont want anything below 32"

[royal forge]

me with my tiny ass 27in

[inland mauve]

by now I run my ultrawide in 16:9 mode more than in UW mode

it is still useful for games that support it and for applications that need a lot of screen real estate like DaVinci Resolve

but so many games don't support it properly

[lost python]

i wish monitors with a bigger than XX:9 aspect ratio were more popular

[royal forge]

I kinda WANT a second monitor cuz sometimes i wanna do blender shit and my screen real estate is actually kinda limited

[inland mauve]

if you ever want to stream, dear lord you need so much screen real estate for that

[royal forge]

So i hear

Good thing im never streamin tho

The anxiety and stress would kill me

[inland mauve]

it's tough at the start

but you get used to it

just gotta lock in

but yeah I'm not surprised that whenever a streamer posts their battlestation they have like 3 - 4 screens

[odd sand]

Got a shirt in the mail yesterday

[dire viper]

I want a T509 Speed Triple

[dire viper]

We take regular training for how to not get scammed and yet in the last month 5 people have clicked on phishing emails

And they were really shitty ones too

Not even clever

[pine thistle]

we have regular phishing training and people still ask if the internal phishing test emails are phishing or not

which entirely defeats the point but welp

[deep sapphire]

Kaspersky rescue disk was pretty goated though

and it was completely free

[shadow oracle]

Arrow Lake is N4B

Fuck meant to reply to 3nm

But yeah compute is N4B

That's also fucking days old tf discord

Why did you send that to me as a push notification

[hard drift]

it's a discord bug

you'll randomly get pings every once in a while for nothing

[lost python]

what do you need an x670 board for?

also why are you paying for a 4 year warranty (?) when kingston themselves give you 5 years? cpu and board both also come with 3 years

[shadow oracle]

Don't pay for warranty, drop the board down to B650

[lost python]

how many NVME and Sata drives do you actually run

well then you are out of luck anyway because the board only has 4x sata

then sata slots arent even relevant for this as a reason

[inland mauve]

I need to set up a better local storage solution to manage my recordings

I lost a drive to a dead sector last week

[lost python]

time to buy a big ssd

[inland mauve]

already got two

[lost python]

bigger

[sly elk]

are you the dude who talked ice into buying a 12100f

someone here did lmao

was like

SPEND ALL YOUR MONEY ON THE GPU

GET A CHEAP MOBO AND A CHEAP CPU

use a cardboard box as the case

get that $40 chinese heatsink that steve from gamers nexus said was the best

cheapest ssd, sata, whatever. "you won't notice the difference anyway"

dodge hellcat pc

[lost python]

to be fair, the 25€ peerless assassin is made in taiwan and one of the best air coolers out there rn

[hazy frost]

WHYRE u paying for extra warranty

No need

[hazy frost]

But it’s CHINESE so the noctua one that costs $150 is obviously better

I’d still get a b650 anyway

Or the b650e is probably cheaper than the x670

[deep sapphire]

I swear you will show us a shopping cart of shit you wont purchase 4 times a day

yeah right I've seen you post a shopping cart AT LEAST 4 times in the last few days

[hazy frost]

Lmao

[sly elk]

i think ice should build exactly what Rob tells him to build. it'll probably be worse than his current rig. except for the gpu anyway.

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/hualian-xie-lian-san-lang-hua-cheng-cart-gif-21891972

there's nothing wrong with it being Taiwanese (or Chinese, if it were actually made in China)

but i'll accept being called out for my hypocrisy here

cuz it's pretty bad XD

but ya know the argument gets old of like

WHY BUY A PORSCHE WHEN THIS HYUNDAI IS JUST AS FAST

LOOK. IT HAS LEATHER. IT GETS THE SAME RING TIME.

IDIOT. Buy the Hyundai

[hazy frost]

I mean there are some call Hyundais rn icl

[sly elk]

nuh but pc building people get all angsty about it

when someone doesn't minmax their build

they be like

"if you spent 2 cents extra and didn't get an fps gain you're an idiot!"

[hazy frost]

lol

[sly elk]

the overpriced noctua shit comes in a fancy box and comes with little doodads that will end up going in the trash and getting eaten by fish eventually

but hey that's fancy

[hazy frost]

Unfortunately the noctua products themselves are just mid

Arctic and Thermalright both make similar stuff anyway

[sly elk]

ya lol

i wonder if the noctua stuff is made in germany or whatever

[hazy frost]

The NF A12 is still good bc

[sly elk]

i mean it's just a hunk of metal

[hazy frost]

It’s a slim fan

[sly elk]

it can be made anywhere

[hazy frost]

So it fits in ITX builds easy

Or radiators in awkward places

[sly elk]

i just have a corsair meme cooler

idk if i'd bother doing that again

[hazy frost]

Isn’t it Austrian not German anyway

[sly elk]

but i didn't feel sorry i spent the money on it lol

[hazy frost]

Also noctua do industrial stuff so I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s manufactured in Europe

Or somewhere with better QC

[sly elk]

-gets out a nh-d15 and puts 2 fat delta fans on it-

[hazy frost]

lol

Phanteks T30 ftw

[sly elk]

does it have like 15 phanteks logos all over it

[hazy frost]

They’re literally sunon fans but ✨gamer✨

[hazy frost]

No they’re literally just grey plastic lmao

[sly elk]

iirc not even lights

what's so gamer about that lol

it looks like a bone stock sunon fan :3

it's probably the same way evga used to sell super flower stuff in the US

[hazy frost]

Yeah but it’s phanteks

It’s just a sunon fan under a new name to target normal consumers

It’s the more enthusiast option over noctua

[sly elk]

and yes i'd buy those

[hazy frost]

People who do serious water cooling use them

[sly elk]

i'd buy those over a noctua any day

[hazy frost]

Definitely

[sly elk]

maglev fans are awesome

[hazy frost]

The only downside is they’re 30mm thick

So don’t fit in some spaces

Unless u wedge them in

Like they’ll technically fit in air coolers

But they don’t slide in easily

[sly elk]

i wanna say they don't vibrate or wobble either which is nice

but they do sometimes whine

[hazy frost]

I kind of wish I’d paid the extra £40 to get the AL120 fans from lian li over the EK ones I have

[sly elk]

ahh maybe you can buy ice's old fans

he has a ton of al120s

[hazy frost]

lol

I have the EK 140s now

[sly elk]

ah ok

[hazy frost]

Maybe some day I’ll replace them

[sly elk]

I have a mix of ML120s and ML140s >>

i'm gonna be stuck with them for a while lol

[hazy frost]

They get quite loud at high rpm but for good reason since they perform well

Just annoying sometimes

I’d rather have a less annoying sound profile and slightly worse performance like the lian li ones

[sly elk]

the ML140s are closing in on 6 years old lol

[hazy frost]

I got the Arctic p14 for my exhaust fan

Need to swap it out

I’ve been using a stock NZXT case fan for like 15 months

[hazy frost]

They’re probably better than what Corsair sells now

[sly elk]

i will say i like the thermalrights for cheap fans :3

the worst fan I've held in recent times was a fractal branded fan LOL

which imho goes with the brand >>

[hazy frost]

My Thermalright ones from my pa120se are a bit loud but I also buy $30 fans so they’re probably not that bad lol

[sly elk]

one of these days i need to go to microcenter or something and poke around at a fractal case or two

because i've only poked at the cheap ones and those were terrible

[hazy frost]

Yeah

I’m still waiting for a good black and white case to come out

[sly elk]

i wonder how the torrent & north are build-quality-wise

[hazy frost]

Fractal have a black and white one but it’s ehh

[sly elk]

the torrent kinda looks like the front grille would bend if you poked it

i bet it's not hard to pull the wood off the north XD

[hazy frost]

Oh crazy phanteks have the black and white scheme on the p400 for sale still

[sly elk]

phanteks cases are cool

well, i liked the various enthoo cases anyway

[hazy frost]

Yeah this is the one I like

But they don’t do the colour scheme anymore

[sly elk]

they still come with 5.25 drive bays

[hazy frost]

They replaced the p500a with the G cases but got rid of the black and white one

Now it’s black OR white

[sly elk]

i think the problem for me with the p400

is that some oem gamer pc company used those

so now whenever i see one

[hazy frost]

P400 is too small for me anyway

[sly elk]

i associate it with prebuilts LOL

[hazy frost]

P500a is the right size

[sly elk]

like

[hazy frost]

But they cost like £120 now

[sly elk]

p400 = i9 13900k and a 4060

[hazy frost]

Bc they’re not in stock

Lmao

[sly elk]

and maybe a 2tb hdd and a 512gb ssd

[hazy frost]

Yeah

[sly elk]

and like

[hazy frost]

It’s rly annoying trying to do the black and white colour scheme I might just paint smth myself rn

[sly elk]

who the fuck puts spinning disks in computers anymore

outside of people who want an ass load of storage cheap

[hazy frost]

Media storage

lol

I know someone who has windows on a HDD still

[sly elk]

perhaps they like the sound

i've been thinking about how to outfit that nvr i bought for my cameras lol

it has 7 3.5" drive bays, and ordinarily i'd just stuff a couple of wd purple drives in there buuuuut

i kinda don't want the noise

[hazy frost]

Well what else are u gonna do

[sly elk]

bunch of cheap ssds lol

[hazy frost]

Even cheap SSDs gonna be expensive

[deep sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxAMD6i5dVc b-but x86 is dead

[hazy frost]

For 7

[deep sapphire]

[hazy frost]

Who says x86 is dead

[deep sapphire]

a lot of the internet

[hazy frost]

I mean it’s still not apple ARM level of good for laptops

But it’s a lot better than the previous ones

[deep sapphire]

it'll never work on PC because MS doesnt wanna put any effort to get developers on board

it worked for apple because apple forced everyone to switch over

[hazy frost]

The snapdragon X sucks tho

Unfortunately

I mean it’s good but stuff isn’t supported properly

[hazy frost]

Nvidia making arm based processors

Technically

Just have to wait and see if it sucks

[deep sapphire]

unless developers have an incentive to make arm apps it'll never work, and now that you have laptops with better battery and performance with x86 whats the point

[hazy frost]

Yeah then compared to the heavy loads tho

[hazy frost]

Nvidia is pushing for this anyway

I imagine even more so when their hardware comes out

I don’t expect arm to be good for usage with any MS desktop soon but I see it happening eventually

[hazy frost]

Also this is like the only case where that ultra 7 is on top

In heavy workloads the m3 is still winning by quite a bit

[deep sapphire]

it has great gaming performance and its still a good performer. Apple's chip is more dedicated focused to creative workloads though so yes they are better there

[hazy frost]

It’s a lot faster in creative heavier workloads and the battery lasts longer

[deep sapphire]

but this is still a good step for windows devices

[hazy frost]

Great gaming performance is an overstatement as well imo

It can do 60-100fps in non demanding games on low settings

[deep sapphire]

I mean compared to what intel was doing before lol

[hazy frost]

It’s useable

[deep sapphire]

tit for tat though

[hazy frost]

It’s kind of just the same tier as what AMD already had with integrated graphics

That 880M

I think it’s still good with the battery life for people who need to use windows for some software

Still kind of underwhelming in general, just a LOT better than what Intel was doing before

There’s still slim gaming laptops that manage to do actually not badly in terms of battery life too now

But I suppose atl these new ones are quieter

[sly elk]

they're already selling x870e over there?

[hazy frost]

Probably preorder

[sly elk]

also i agree, too much

iirc out here the aorus ice is supposed to be 359?

[hazy frost]

It looks too similar to their $200 boards anyway lol

[sly elk]

that's better than the prices on the x670e boards lol

[sly elk]

you're looking at the plastic

i'm looking at the usb-c ports :3

[hazy frost]

Obligatory mention of My x670e was £180

[sly elk]

what'd ya use?

[hazy frost]

I’m never gonna stfu about it lol

[sly elk]

the x670e boards are fun because like

i use an x670e carbon, but the tomahawk is pretty much the same board

[hazy frost]

I got the x670e-a ASUS one unfortunately

But can’t pass on a £180 x670

[sly elk]

haha

[hazy frost]

Yeah it’s like £280 here now

I bought it 15 months or so ago

[sly elk]

wait that looks a lot like the board ice had

with the defective m.2 slots 😄

[hazy frost]

I wouldn’t know I only use one rn lol

[sly elk]

that was a z590 or something it hink lol

[hazy frost]

Any other ssd I have has been stolen for other devices

[sly elk]

meh lol

[hazy frost]

More usb ports more better tho

[sly elk]

i'm not doing asus again 😄 they do have nice boxes but they charge too much

[hazy frost]

I wouldn’t buy an asus board usually

[sly elk]

and armory crate sucks

[hazy frost]

At their normal prices I’d buy basically anything else

[hazy frost]

This is true

I hate it

I still use it

lol

I didn’t even know my motherboard had RGB on it for like 6 months

[sly elk]

LOL

that was one thing i did like about my asus board

[hazy frost]

I just liked good VRMs, good chipset, good USB connectivity

Lmao

[sly elk]

there was an option for the rgb to be on as long as the motherboard had power

i must be the only person ever who liked that option

[hazy frost]

It’s on the back so I can’t even see it

[sly elk]

oh yea

[hazy frost]

So I just never noticed

[sly elk]

the io header rgb on my asus board was like, almost invisible

because it was so dim lol

[hazy frost]

lol

[sly elk]

aesthetic wise i much prefer the msi boards

[hazy frost]

I actually noticed because it was on 24/7 by default

So it was lighting up the room at night

I had no idea until that

[hazy frost]

MSI and asrock have by far the nicest looking boards

[sly elk]

but also because the boot screen is a lot nicer on the eyes if you use it lol

^ mine has that logo but in black/white

i'd never get over the stupid ROG EYE logo

REPUBLIC OF GAMERS

[hazy frost]

The asrock taichi stuff is so cool honestly

I’d like one of those

[sly elk]

asrock has some awesome boards right now

and my favorite thing about them is they're CHEAP

unlike asus who only makes special editions that cost $$$$ and sell out instantly

[hazy frost]

This thing

[sly elk]

hehe

yep

[hazy frost]

It’s so unnecessary and obnoxious

It’s great

[sly elk]

and like i said, the asrock stuff looks cool and they never charge extra for it

[hazy frost]

Yeah

The taichi b550 is one of my favourite motherboards of recent

Really cool really not expensive

Well it was expensive but not like what higher end stuff is rn

Just need $500 and I can get this one

I wish more companies made unique products that aren’t limited numbers and $900

[sly elk]

wasn't there one where the gears moved lol

yea

but if you run out of pcie lanes you run out

to be fair

if the gpu supports pcie 5 x8, then you probably won't see a bottleneck anyway

oh lame

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/144adt2/confused_about_rtx_4090_performance_in_pcie_50/

I saw 1.3% performance increase going from pcie 5 x8 to x16 on my 4090/7800x3d/Strix x670e-e system.

this kinda thing wouldn't shock me

if you really need all the ssds

just get em and deal with it, it'll probably still be faster than the 3090 in the old setup

[deep sapphire]

https://youtu.be/JqoL2LIwDek?si=a7Q0LyPzjzRKdEiB people need to stop support Chrysler until they get their shit together

This isn’t even a new powertrain

They’ve always been shit

My dad owned a Plymouth voyager and the only reason it was somewhat reliable because it had a Mitsubishi engine LOL

[hazy frost]

Incredible uplift

4090 like the only gpu that benefits from more than PCIe 4 x16 lol

Even PCIe 3 x16

I know people that struggle to find boards with enough lanes to actually use for stuff outside of gaming without spending like $700 on one specific board

Most consumer boards just don’t consider it

[sly elk]

the consumer cpus only have 20 pcie lanes usually

sometimes 24

[hazy frost]

Well you probably won’t need to replace it until am6 at least

lol

[deep sapphire]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/what-is-going-on-with-the-2025-ram-hds-grille

haha wtf

the chrome one looks alright

[sly elk]

i was mentioning that in #1132844608536190997 lol

uglier than a cybertruck lol

[sly elk]

i'd rather have one of those

[dire viper]

the chrome grills fucking SUCK

I hate the lower chrome bumpers so m uch

they're heavy as fuck and they ship them in the worst packaging possible

so they always come damaged

and now there is no chrome shop in utah so we cant just fix them ourself

Dodge 440?

mmm I dont think it is

probably a GM group car

[potent arrow]

shakes chrome rattlecan

[deep sapphire]

Do they peel easily too

I love how the chrome on my truck is still perfectly fine

[dire viper]

nah

its actual actual chrome

the bumpers weigh more than the rest of the front end of a RAM lmao

[modest moss]

tune in tomorrow to see Ice has dropped $10k on a tricked out synology

[dire viper]

lmao

https://youtu.be/9_lHUc4ptPI?si=JpA1pkD5TgRtt05X

god an X-BOW would so cool to own

it is certainly a car

[sly elk]

fuck that. best I can do is a clapped out old poweredge running an nfs share or two on fedora or something idk

maybe whatever the fuck they call freenas now 😄

but i'm lazy, nfs share in linux is easier

[shadow oracle]

most of the money should be spent on the gpu, $40 chinese heatsink is overpriced (a $20 one is perfectly acceptable for locked intel cpus), cheapest mobo has dogshit vrms and chokes so pass but dont bother with the fancy gaming shit since half the time theyre just a bottom of the barrel board with leds, cheapest ssd is perfectly fine since ssds have very little failure rate (NAND is made by like 4 companies anyway and the controller is made by 4 as well)

[sly elk]

so what kinda cardboard box do you recommend for housing this 4090+13100 rig? 😄

[shadow oracle]

the mobo box duh

[sly elk]

the key word here: upgraded

if you have an am4 board and/or a 5800x3d already there's no point

that said, that video is a year old

ddr5 has gotten cheaper and more readily available, motherboards have gotten better at dealing with it, and drivers have gotten better

also the 5800x3d has gotten a tiny bit more expensive/harder to find than it was then lo

ignoring that, i do feel it's kinda asinine to go from a 13900k to a 7800x3d unless you really really want it

they launched around the same time didn't they? lol

[shadow oracle]

why get a noctua in the first place

[paper tusk]

this is the part where I type part of a sentence and think better and hide in the shadow since what's saving a couple hundred on same difference (to people who made their mind up already)

[shadow oracle]

"but noctua customer service" yeah and you can buy 4 coolers thats just as good for the same price

[paper tusk]

and worse comes to worse can get noctura fans (with a thermalright cooler) and probably still pay less

[sharp star]

Noctua is awesome if you really care about support but I don't think that's enough for serious consideration

With their obscene amount of engineering going into their products I think they can compete, just not right now when everyone else is kicking their ass at lower price points

[hazy frost]

Thermalright support would be fine and also u can just buy 3 more coolers if they messed up around for the same price lmao

[hazy frost]

12100f is still absolute garbage

It’s not usable at all for any half decent pc for gaming

You’d atl buy a 5600 or 12400f

[shadow oracle]

I mean it's fine but also I would never recommend a 12100f to pair with anything above a 3060 lol

[hazy frost]

I wouldn’t recommend it at all

It’s not good enough

Just isn’t

[shadow oracle]

It all depends on pricing

[hazy frost]

Unless it’s free

Then no

[shadow oracle]

But since mobos have gotten so expensive these days it doesn't really make much sense to buy into the platform with a 12100f

[hazy frost]

The 3600 and 5500 would both cost similar and they’re 6 core CPUs not 4 core

Buying a 4 core cpu and a slow one at that for gaming is insane rn

[shadow oracle]

The 3600 is also worse at gaming and not just by a little bit lol

[hazy frost]

Yeah until you’re very severely bottlenecked by having a 4 core cpu

[shadow oracle]

That's not really how it works tho

[hazy frost]

Yes it is?

[shadow oracle]

A massively parallel game (which doesn't really exist) can still make use of the full 8 threads, which will give you worse performance than if it used all 12 threads on the 3600 but it's not a "severe bottleneck"

You just need to look at what exists and going "hmm do I need better sT performance or better nT performance"

[hazy frost]

There’s very clearly times where it makes a significant difference

[shadow oracle]

Then again this discussion doesn't exist in a vacuum, the AM4 platform is so much cheaper to buy into than the LGA1700 platform that you should just get B450 and 5600X

[hazy frost]

30% uplift is not a small amount

The 12100f is genuinely garbage and u should not buy it

It’s maybe $15 cheaper compared to a 5600 on its own

[shadow oracle]

Sure, but the 3600 also isn't 30% better

Like I said earlier, it's an acceptable cpu to use but because it doesn't exist in a vacuum, it's not one you should get

[hazy frost]

The 12100f is a lot worse value lol

U shouldn’t be recommending it to anyone

[shadow oracle]

Yeah that's literally what I said

[hazy frost]

That benchmark is also old and before the game became more cpu reliant

[hazy frost]

U said u wouldn’t recommend it with something above a 3060

Which means u would recommend it

[shadow oracle]

No? That means I would maybe recommended it if there's a specific use

[hazy frost]

Name a specific use where it’s worth buying?

Lmao

And ‘not with anything above a 3060’ directly implies you would recommend it with anything below a 3060

[shadow oracle]

12100 (with the gpu) for Intel quicksync

[hazy frost]

12100f can’t use quicksync

So not even the same cpu

And it’s not good for that either

[shadow oracle]

A guy wants to buy into the LGA1700 platform and upgrade one or two months down the line

[hazy frost]

Tell them to save and not waste $80?

lol

[shadow oracle]

Or someone who doesn't want to buy amd or used and is on a budget

[hazy frost]

Not wanting to buy amd is not a valid reason to just recommend a bad product

If ur actually giving good recommendations u should just explain that the 12100f sucks and they absolutely SHOULD go for am4

[shadow oracle]

No shit

You've obviously not dealt with many of the people I've met lmfao

[hazy frost]

Ok so where’s this scenario with the 12100f actually being useful

Still haven’t given an actual one

[shadow oracle]

A guy who doesn't want tk buy AM4 or used

[hazy frost]

$25 more gets u a 12400f

Again why would u buy the 12100

U wouldn’t

[shadow oracle]

Sure, but pricing like that doesn't exist everywhere

[hazy frost]

I wouldn’t recommend the 12100f regardless

It’s just not worth buying lol

Might as well burn your money

[shadow oracle]

???????

A 12100f gets you a functional cpu

[hazy frost]

Everyone who actually buys them ends up having to upgrade soon after from it being insufficient

[shadow oracle]

Burning your money gets you arrested for destruction of currency

[hazy frost]

Yeah that’s not a thing here

So no it doesn’t

[shadow oracle]

There are also reasons to pair a bottom of the barrel cpu with a bottom of the barrel workstation gpu

[hazy frost]

Name one

[shadow oracle]

You want professional drivers?

[hazy frost]

Why would u need a bottom of the barrel one lmao

That’s not relevant

[shadow oracle]

Wdym

If that's not relevant then 80% of Nvidias quadro series doesn't have a reason to exist

[fluid marten]

intel isnt worth it at all unless you get a high end i9 or i7. just buy the 5800x3d and you wont need to upgrade for years. Probs the best cpu for its price rn

even the i9 14th series have issues rn so dont even bother tbh

if you have the money, fire a 4070ti super with the 5800x3d 🤣 wont have issues for years

[hazy frost]

I’d buy the 7600/7500f over the 5800x3d or 5700x3d if buying new

Same price

If on am4 the x3d ones are great

I probably would go for the 7900xtx over the 4070ti super as well

Similar price

[fluid marten]

those 2 dont outperform the 5800x3d at all, idk about the 5700x3d tho

[hazy frost]

They’re equal to the 5800x3d

And u get a new platform and ur not stuck with no upgrade path

[fluid marten]

amd gpu driver issues have been a thing for years, i dont trust them

[hazy frost]

And no they haven’t

This is just a false narrative still popular in the pc spaces online

It was true 5 years ago maybe

[fluid marten]

Idk, I know a few people that had to switch from amd to nvidia gpus cos of it

[shadow oracle]

Tell me you've never experienced FineWine ™ without telling me

[fluid marten]

For the games I play, the 5800x3d beats all those cpus you listed

for fps

[shadow oracle]

Man I kinda miss my Vega 56 and my Radeon VII

The drivers were fucking dogshit but they were fun cards to fuck around with

Bring back GCN

[hazy frost]

Which ones

Because on average it does not

The only one where it does that people really play is msfs

Otherwise

Equal or faster with PBO

[shadow oracle]

I was gonna say that didn't sound right lol

DDR5 bandwidth uplift is huge especially for such a memory bandwidth constrained architecture like zen

[hazy frost]

7500f is a bit slower but not enough to matter

Bc it’s also way cheaper

7500f is like $150 5800x3d is $300

The difference in platform price is not that much

[fluid marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJo0hA8S7wI

[hazy frost]

7600 is $180 as well

[hazy frost]

???

These aren’t even the same CPUs lmao

[fluid marten]

you asked for what

[hazy frost]

Also a completely unreliable benchmark

Some random guy on YT

Not an actual trusted source

[fluid marten]

well he has the 2 cpus and is playing the game i play

[hazy frost]

And how do you know they actually tested it properly

U don’t

It’s also NOT THE SAME CPU 😭

[fluid marten]

7600x > 7600

[hazy frost]

The 7800x3d is faster than the 7600!!!!! No way

It’s also 3x the price

[fluid marten]

5800x3d is cheap

[hazy frost]

The 5800x3d is not faster either??

It’s a completely different cpu

That’s like me saying the 9900k is faster than the 7600 bc the 14900k is faster

[fluid marten]

also provides me over 600fps at all times which is good because I wanna upgrade to a 360 or 540hz monitor

[hazy frost]

So would the 7600..???

Idk what ur talking about

[fluid marten]

I dont want the 7600 tho and its not better than the 5800x3d

[hazy frost]

7600x is a 7600 with PBO enabled

[hazy frost]

It… is

It’s equal or better lol

[fluid marten]

🤣 I mean, you believe what you wanna believe, but it ain't

[hazy frost]

I actually provided proof and ur just giving anecdotes sooo

[fluid marten]

you get what you pay for when it comes to tech and its price is much cheaper.

[hazy frost]

That’s

Not how it works

At all

[fluid marten]

cool ill buy an i3 then

if cheaper means better

[hazy frost]

Are u stupid or trolling

[hazy frost]

Price in general doesn’t mean better or worse

Better products USUALLY cost more doesn’t mean any product that costs more is inherently better

It does not go both ways

The 5800x3d is expensive and worth it if you’re already on AM4

If ur buying a new pc it’s not worth it

[fluid marten]

At the end of the day the 5800x3d generates far more frames for the games I play so I could care less

[sharp star]

you two cut it out

[hazy frost]

It doesn’t u showed a benchmark that doesn’t even compare them

[fluid marten]

£380 isnt expensive

[hazy frost]

The 7600 is £190

And equal

[sharp star]

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[opal panther]

Success!

@fluid marten has been muted by @sharp star for 3 hours!

[sharp star]

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[opal panther]

Success!

@hazy frost has been muted by @sharp star for 3 hours!

[sharp star]

now

[shadow oracle]

Wtf happened

[sharp star]

people fighting and I had to break it up

[shadow oracle]

Fair enough

[deep sapphire]

😂😂😂

@modest moss

[inland mauve]

my town now

[lost python]

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-early-gif-18074307

[golden stream]

I swear this is so dumb but I may do it anyway
Is XIV able to run on an ARM-based CPU? yes I may try to run it on a pi

[sharp star]

Well… yes? The Windows versions (standalone and Steam) can run on Apple Silicon

[modest moss]

[deep sapphire]

[hard drift]

[celest violet]

I do miss my radeon VII, it was strong af and lasted everything I threw at it. Only 'upgraded' because my ex needed an upgrade so I gave her those and got new ones

This is gonna sound crazy, but I don't feel like the cards I've used since then have been as stable

[dire viper]

Who want the factory racing catalogue for Porsches built in the late 60’s

https://early911nzdownloads.yolasite.com/resources/first edition 1968.pdf

Scuffed ass download but it’s all we got

[odd sand]

Radeon and stable in the same sentence?

[dire viper]

Actual factory catalogues are now like 800 bucks for 60 pages of something you can find online

[celest violet]

Radeon gpus are pretty good. We aren't in the early polaris days anymore

[dire viper]

@potent arrow you could order titanium connecting rods for your Porsche 2.0 race engine back in 69

All this stuff is in the engine of the 914/6GT my last boss owns

Cause it uses a 906 race engine from factory which is the Carrera 6 variant, stroked to 2.2 over the 2.0

[potent arrow]

wtf

[hazy frost]

People haven’t moved on from the issues the 5000 series cards had years ago that were also immediately resolved

[sly elk]

lol

[hazy frost]

PC community finds it hard to not have brand loyalty or hold grudges for an overly long time

[sly elk]

yea

[hazy frost]

It’s been at least 2 generations since it was bad

[sly elk]

the 6600-6700 series cards are basically modern rx580s

[hazy frost]

They’ve proved it’s all good now

[sly elk]

cheap and pretty good performance for the price

[hazy frost]

The rx6800 also

Crazy value

[sly elk]

yup

[hazy frost]

They’re like $300-350

[sly elk]

always makes me raise an eyebrow when someone insists on a 4060

[hazy frost]

Until stock runs out

[hazy frost]

I can’t even imagine going for a 4060 bc it’s too weak for RT, too weak for good raster over AMD, and DLSS in 1080p looks… bad

[sly elk]

lol

[hazy frost]

RT and DLSS become like reasonably nice features once u get to the 4070s and above

Which is why I’d buy a 4070s over a 7900gre

u know what IS cool that Nvidia does

Their HDR setting is WAY better than windows HDR

Makes a lot more content viewable like that

Though it’s still not the best

[celest violet]

I'm loving my 7900gre

I went radeon vii to 3080 to 7900gre

[hazy frost]

Nice

[celest violet]

The 3080 was def the one that I had beef with. Cost me way too much for not much gains

I had to turn settings down in games cause the 10gbs of vram is dogshit

[hazy frost]

I went from idk what integrated Radeon gpu, to an rx570 to a 1070 to a 4070ti

In the last 5 years or whatever

[hazy frost]

Yeah 10GB one is unfortunate

12GB one is alright

[celest violet]

I got the 3080 back in the days of newegg making you enter a lottery, so I couldn't really pick which one.

[hazy frost]

1070 was a good gpu until I wanted to play cyberpunk a few years ago

[celest violet]

Unfortunate but I got a gpu during scalping so not the worst

[hazy frost]

Nice

I couldn’t get a gpu then so I was waiting until just over a year ago to upgrade

[odd sand]

I'm just making tongue in cheek jokes. I have owned several Radeon cards over the years and they ran fine. That said, I haven't had one since I got a GTX770. If they didn't have driver issues over covid, and I hadn't gotten lucky in ordering my 3080 through a local PC shop weeks before supply died (So I got it for $800) I probably would have gotten an AMD card then.

[hazy frost]

I would’ve gotten a 7900xtx had it been later tbh

But when they came out the price was horrible

It was like £900 for a 7900xtx or £800 for a 7900xt

And I paid £720 for a 4070ti

The release prices for this gen weren’t great for AMD tbh

Generally

I still appreciate the features Nvidia has as an added bonus but they’re not worth the premium for most price ranges lol

[hard drift]

They were definitely not immediately resolved coming from someone who used one until 6000 series came out

They had issues going into the 6000 series launch

[sly elk]

the bullshit thing about those cards is how hot/loud they get LOL

like my 3080ti performs fine for my use cases but it gets so loud/hot I don't really like gaming on it

[celest violet]

Mine wasn't loud cause it was liquid cooled out the box

But it was ugly as sin lol

[sly elk]

mine is a 3080ti FTW3

which means

hmm it's like a year and a half old

i bought it towards the end of the evga queue lol

got a free tshirt

i wonder if it makes it to the 3 year mark without crapping out

that's a bit of an accomplishment for anything made by evga lol

[hazy frost]

We learned from this and now everything has a heat sink 3x the size it needs to be

[odd sand]

I suppose it depends on what card you came from. I had a 1660ti, so it was a very nice upgrade for me. And I still use 1080p so the 10gb vram hasn't been an issue. I prefer fps over res. I'll probably jump straight to 4K when the 60 series comes out, as I imagine by then I'll have enough money I can YOLO a 6090 for 4K120

[sly elk]

the 3080ti ftw heatsink is still huge though lol

i think the 40 series heatsink would've been maybe 25% bigger?

[hazy frost]

25% bigger is big

[sly elk]

problem is, 400w is 400w and no matter how big your heatsink or radiators are, you're still putting out that much heat

[hazy frost]

Also 3080ti was like a lot of power and now it’s equal to the 4070s which draws like 200w and has bigger heatsinks

[kind rune]

i have a 3080 and everything runs very well

[sly elk]

like the best you can do is mitigate it using a meshy case with a ton of quiet airflow

[hazy frost]

3080ti was a neutered 3090 in a trenchcoat

[sly elk]

but it's still a lot of heat lol

yup

[hazy frost]

It got hot

[sly elk]

for like half the price LOL

[hazy frost]

Yeah that too

The vram is pain tho

[sly elk]

i mean

[hazy frost]

U COULD play 4K if it had memory

[sly elk]

the vram was what made those hot wasn't it?

[hazy frost]

Nvidia just doesn’t care about memory temperatures

They’ve gotten hot on the 30 and 40 series just by design

Or lack of consideration in design I suppose

But yeah 3080ti has smaller heatsinks than the new equivalent drawing 200w less so it makes sense

Efficiency

[sly elk]

yep lol

[hazy frost]

Technically less efficient than 3090 xd

I do wish the 6950xt was there tho bc that looks even more ridiculous

[celest violet]

The radeon vii is what I came from at 1440p 144 lol. The 16gbs of hbm2 went crazy

Had to turn settings down at 1440p on the 10gbs the 3080 had

[hazy frost]

I don’t use more than 9gb often at 1440p still

The 2 games I do are like FH5 and cyberpunk

Which I run MSAA or DLAA on for FH5 as well as RT and path tracing on cyberpunk so

I’m not surprised

They still only use 11

[odd sand]

I'm not trying to defend Nvidia being stingy on vram, bc they are. And now also stingy on memory bus for some inexlicable reason

[hazy frost]

Yeah memory bus is pretty terrible

Memory OC made me go from 20 to 55fps in cyberpunk lol

I don’t think the amount of vram is that bad still rn

Memory bus is a joke for sure

[odd sand]

I should see what my temps are for my 3080 10gb. I don't have watercooling for it tho so I dunno how well it would OC

[hazy frost]

Mine survived +1900 memory but got too hot on memory

So I left it at +1700

I have a 4070ti tho

40 series seems to be kind to people

I could also increase core clock but it’s like increasing temp by 10° for 2% more fps

It’s definitely more temperature issues than stability on newer GPUs though

[sly elk]

hmmm

i spent way too much time looking into this

for my security cam nvr i really don't wanna spend more than like $400 on drives. so that means 4x4tb wd purple HDDs ($400), or like 7x1tb transcend z ssds ($350-ish) or maybe 4x2tb wd blue ssds ($520-ish)

[hazy frost]

Pretty sure u could get 4 2TB SSDs for $400

[sly elk]

they would be QLCs

the 2tb is where the wd reds really shine but you pay a lot for that, cheapest I see is 646 for 4 2tb from wd themselves

1300tbw instead of 500tbw

[hazy frost]

The MP44L is TLC

I thought

$105 each

From the cheapest seller

The MP33 too

Cheap but slower

SN770 too

$110

They’re all closer to 400 than 520

There’s a few more those just look the best value ones rn

There’s actually quite a few cheap TLC drives

Just not all of them have dram

[deep sapphire]

https://www.techpowerup.com/326978/amd-rushing-in-ryzen-7-9800x3d-expect-product-launch-late-october

damn maybe they should have just done this in the first place

[sly elk]

@hazy frost those are m.2, I'm looking at sata 2.5" 😄

[hazy frost]

Ah

[sly elk]

sata 2.5" really died off in the past year xX_

there are only a handful of TLC options that I'm aware of, and the dram models cost quite a bit

I'm also not 100% sure dram matters in the constant video recording case

the reads might end up being random-ish (if I'm scrubbing through video) but otherwise it'll just be sequential writes

[hazy frost]

Teamgroup ones should still be cheaper

[sly elk]

where dram might shine is because it's gonna fill the SSDs up and then cycle the old stuff off lol

yea

[hazy frost]

For TLC

[sly elk]

they are 96 bucks for 2tb

[hazy frost]

The QX CX and uhh

Whatever the others are

All the same thing

[hazy frost]

Why not save $120 then

[sly elk]

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-Vulcan-Internal-T253TZ002T0C101/dp/B09WMSVHD4 that is their current offering

384 for 4x2tb vs 385 for 7x1tb 😄

[hazy frost]

U can still buy the QX I think

[sly elk]

the only reason I say 7 is these are going in a unifi nvr pro, which has 7 drive bays 😄

but I don't have to fill all 7 bays

[hazy frost]

384 is a hell of a lot better than 500 either way

[sly elk]

those team drives have ridiculous TBW ratings too

for sure

the 2tb has 1600tbw

[hazy frost]

I love teamgroup

Their m.2s are also very nice

Memory is also dirt cheap from them

Lexar too for memory and m.2s

Don’t think they make any 2.5” drives or any good ones anyway

[sly elk]

they do make 2.5

[hazy frost]

Idk how good they are

[sly elk]

lexar ns100 they cost the same as the vulcan z but

[hazy frost]

I know the teamgroup ones are good

[sly elk]

960tbw, no idea if they use tlc or dram, doubt it

amazon says tlc Lol 😄

[hazy frost]

Yeah just get the vulcan z then lol

Same price

Better drive

[sly elk]

k im going with the 4x 2tb vulcan z 😄

[hazy frost]

Nice

Now u just need 3 more to fill it out!

[sly elk]

yep! although if I use raid10 i really will only want 2 more. unless i want a hot spare i guess

[hazy frost]

U could actually get 6 for only $80 more than u originally intended lol

[sly elk]

?

[hazy frost]

$100 each

I assume it’s under $600 for 6

[sly elk]

oh my original intention was to do 7x1tb at 350-ish 😄

[hazy frost]

Ah

[sly elk]

6x2tb would be 560-ish

this is fine xD

[hazy frost]

Yeah

[sly elk]

I'll re-evaluate after I set up the nvr with the 4 drives 🙂

[hazy frost]

I don’t think you’ll need more for a while lol

[sly elk]

if I feel like i really want that extra storage I'll just buy it 😄

[hazy frost]

Yeah

I hate how expensive 2.5” sata drives are still

They have a use so they’re still just as much as the m.2 nvme drives

[sly elk]

nand prices went up like 30-40% over the last year

[hazy frost]

Unfortunate

[sly elk]

yea lol

these 2tb drives used to sell for like 65 bucks

[hazy frost]

I really need more storage just waiting/praying for price to go down

[sly elk]

lol i was thinking similar a few months ago about getting another 2tb for my desktop. i'll get around to it eventually xD

[hazy frost]

I need another 2TB

They’re still £110 for the one I want here

Cheapest one is £97

I’ll just start deleting stuff it’s finee

[sly elk]

fun fun

the last ssd i purchased for my desktop was a crucial p5 plus 2tb

nice solid drive lol

then i got fed up with using windows even for my gaming needs and switched to fedora 40... running on an old 970 evo 1tb I had laying around xD

and it still feels faster than win11, go figure hahaha

then again, the difference between a pcie3 and a pcie4 nvme is hard to notice

[hazy frost]

That’s the one drive I use in my desktop as well

Was the cheapest half decent one

[sly elk]

funny thing about sata ssd vs hard drive

i'd heard if you raid 4x like 12tb HDDs

they'll probably be faster, especially if the ssds don't have dram

BUT THE NOISE, DUDE

[hazy frost]

Oh that doesn’t surprise me

But

[sly elk]

that's the real reason I didn't want HDDs lol

[hazy frost]

It’ll cost like 4x as much too

Lmao

[sly elk]

i don't have a rack or a closet to hide thsi shit in

it's gonna sit in the corner of my living room lol

[hazy frost]

I’m never buying a HDD again

[sly elk]

see fan noise isn't a big deal

[hazy frost]

I don’t want that in my life

[sly elk]

i don't think the machine produces much heat, the controller is just a little quadcore arm soc anyway

[hazy frost]

I appreciate my silence

[sly elk]

which -scratches his head- is such an odd choice for this sorta thing

[hazy frost]

I have been tempted to get HDDs with current nvme prices but I just cba still

Not worth it

[sly elk]

ubiquiti was smoking some crack to call this 'nvr pro' lol

there's nothing professional about it

[hazy frost]

lol

[sly elk]

it uses a phone cpu, it probably doesn't have more than like 4gb ram

it uses sata drive trays