it's not the amount of prongs it's the exposed plugs that's the issue
#technology-discussion
potent arrow
and those have that plastic bit on the prongs
so when they are actually energized, it's Impossinle to touch the metal bit
that's the point
Germans are recessed
sly walrus
hella recessed
when i was in germany i saw a bunch that were three outlets in a circle
and they were an inch into the wall
inland mauve
that's what my outlets look like too
sly elk
also if 220v was common here like it is elsewhere, we wouldn't have so much trouble with ev adoption lol
inland mauve
oh yeah in the USA you guys have 110v, right?
sly elk
yep
sly elk
if the panel is in a convenient spot lol
sly elk
my town is dumb
so most neighborhoods here they ran the power lines in the back of the houses
and the circuit breaker panels are outside
so if you need a 220v plug in the garage then you need someone to run that wiring all the way lol 😄
deep sapphire
maybe if you are stupid
its a bad design I agree but nobody is out here touching the prongs
sly elk
in theory if you hung a metal decoration on the wall above an outlet and the plugs came loose a tiny bit and the metal decoration fell, it could fall on top of the prongs and short them out
or something wonderful like that
now we're talking
https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025
you know what's wrong with that gif
the dude is too skinny
deep sapphire
usually if it gets bad like that, the receptacle is worn out and needs to be replaced
a newer one is usually pretty snug
sly elk
usually if it gets bad like that, the receptacle is worn out and needs to be rep...
that's not murican though
worn out outlet with no faceplate!
deep sapphire
I replaced some in my house last year cause they were really loose
sly elk
also electrical tape on the cable
deep sapphire
pretty easy job and they only cost like 12 bucks lol
cold yacht
I should probably get face plates for my plugs tbh
sly elk
yea there's a few in my house i'd love to change but it isn't my house lol
sly elk
I should probably get face plates for my plugs tbh
-gets out a bucket of paint- gotta landlord special the outlets afterwards tho
potent arrow
its a bad design I agree but nobody is out here touching the prongs
more of accidental slips, children and dumb asses lmao
but that's just safety, you know the drill. The first step to safety is removing the risk
sly walrus
amazing that you made it past being a toddler
inland mauve
you have no idea 
odd sand
so most neighborhoods here they ran the power lines in the back of the houses
Most of the time they're in the backyard is bc they're buried so they can put the transformer box out there
odd sand
My parents have this issue with an outlet under the island in the kitchen. 50+ years of usage has worn the plugs loose. I should really bug my dad to replace it.
Especially since he recently put up a new backsplash and counters in the kitchen.. and left the 1970s outlet covers on them 
sly elk
yea just like smoke detectors, outlets have a usable lifespan
loose is also dangerous because the bad connection is more likely to overheat and cause a fire
odd sand
I've been tempted to just go to Home Depot myself and send him pics and be like "which of these 3 do you like? Otherwise I'm picking one"
sly elk
really silly question
am I the only person who finds the loud beeping that toyotas do when you unlock them really annoying?
and why is it so loud lol
and so many times too
deep sapphire
What’s worse is when you remote start your vehicle and it kills the engine when you open the door
dire viper
Yes
It’s loud cause they know they’re buyers are all the same so the 50 white base base Camry’s in the parking lot can be differentiated from
celest solar
Hey so, on ps4, if I have an update or smth downloading, if I turn it off, will it save what it managed to download or will it start from the beginning once I turn in on again?
sly elk
It’s loud cause they know they’re buyers are all the same so the 50 white base b...
it'd be nice if they at least differentiated the beeps
instead it's always the same
-hits button ONCE- beeeeeeep BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP
and in toyotafornia you hear that shit all day
go to costco and it's a sea of white rav4s
odd talon
Twitter
dire viper
TLDR; they made the car better in a lot of ways and for the 36k USD price point its beating out substantially more expensive sports cars
@deep sapphire the age of Hyundai is in
imagine spending 65k base for a Nissan thats only two tenths of a second quicker around a track than a 36k Hyundai
thats only base
both cars were tested on the same day in the same environment
shit its cheaper than a Type R and its almost identical on a track
the Elantra N is also almost identical to the E46 M3 cause that car has stayed highly competitive in a track setting
the Dark Horse is in the same price bracket as the Z Nismo also, and is faster around their test track by 3 seconds... imagine being beaten by a ford
sly elk
the only one i'm surprised it beat was the rc f track edition
dire viper
RC F Track Edition was a nothing burger
RC F inherently is not a sports car
its a touring car
its why it could never match the 4 series lmao
dire viper
BMW designs there cars for the highest trim first then trickles down, so a base 4 series drives circles around an RC unfortunately, I love the RC's styling and the F getting the V8 is cool but shrug
sly elk
yea but the difference between all of those is extremely negligible
also
civic type R, integra type s, elantra n..... and nismos g, mustang gt, charger hellcat redeye
those are 2 very different types of cars sheesh
dire viper
idk, how a car handles is 50% of a car
dire viper
AMG works on how the Maybachs handle cause your chauffeur probably wants the best driving experience money can buy lmao
sly elk
at what point is the bottleneck the tires and the weight
sly elk
so, tires and weight? XD
at what point does bolting bigger/more things onto the engine make it worse
dire viper
good tires dont do anything if the suspension isnt setup right
you can make cars worse by throwing on crazy tires
cause some cars can never get those tires hot
sly elk
it also doesn't surprise me the teslas did that well in a random track test
dire viper
at what point does bolting bigger/more things onto the engine make it worse
never unless you make the car worse than what it was designed for
hellcat was straight line only
so
it doesnt do the turny thingy good
only the Camaro does :3
dire viper
its probably gonna be better?
sly elk
ON ONE HAND
dire viper
I hope it has multi link suspension
sly elk
I would hope it's better......
on the other i wouldn't be surprised if it was somehow worse in every way imaginable lmao
dire viper
eh
MOPAR can make a good vehicle
sounds like they got a substantial budget with the new Charger
most new cars are around a billion to develop?
which is outrageous for some cars cause they come out as absolute stinkers even with a billion sunk into the program
and then there are other cars like the LFA where they only make 500 of them and lose 1.5 million on every sale
god I want an E9X M3 so bad 😔
the DOHC V8 sounds so good
with the 8 ITB's
honestly the LC500 is the craziest car in production rn
its somehow absolutely beating depreciation cause almost all of the ones ordered so far are bespoke package cars with custom colors and gets away with a crazy loud stock exhaust
Lexus completely missing the point with the RC and then absolutely hitting it on the mark with the LC500
https://youtu.be/Lcr2zpBqRmE?si=PoWEY3y8TlfE0KtD this spec is doodoo but it sounds good so I would drive this regardless
sly elk
MOPAR can make a good vehicle
thing is, 'what is mopar' ... I think changes over time? kinda like 'what is boeing?' lol 😄
dire viper
MOPAR is all US adjacent brands now
sly elk
except in mopar's case
they've changed ownership 3 times now
and had some pretty huge changes in the way the business operates
dire viper
so Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Ram
sly elk
also I'll add, that the wrangler had a big budget/cycle for the JL I think
.... and... ?
dire viper
and they fucked it up lmao
yea idk what the deal is with jeeps
they just have the strangest issues
all the jeeps do, not just the wrangler
sly elk
in terms of like
handling and engine availability and stuff
on the surface, i think they actually did fantastic
dire viper
we had a guy come in with a wrangler that only had 20k miles and he already blew both the cats out like huh????
sly elk
the problems are more like how the electrical system was done, how the steering system was done
dire viper
hes not running a tune or anything on it
sly elk
the way they worked with dana to design the axles they use now?
like a lot of the details are kinda fucked
dire viper
the problems are more like how the electrical system was done, how the steering ...
the Grand Wagoneer having a lifetime electrical warranty now lol
I wonder when they will announce that
dire viper
if they ever will
sly elk
i owned a jk 4 door and the jl 4 door fixed every single pain point I had with the jk and then some
dire viper
if the Wrangler was truly bespoke with a massive budget I think they could make the perfect every use case vehicle
sly elk
but I think the way to look at it
dire viper
like how much are Ineos Grenadiers going for
sly elk
the jk unlimited, iirc started around $22-24k? maybe?
dire viper
cause those dont have any issues ive heard of
sly elk
and then they started jacking up the price like crazy
dire viper
o
sly elk
but at the end of the day, the jk was still what it was
it was basically a 4wd solid axle dodge neon
dire viper
sly elk
the JL does not feel as cheap as the JK did lol
dire viper
but tbf those were built better than the later Dodges
dire viper
the JL does not feel as cheap as the JK did lol
yea they're not bad at all
sly elk
and like i said, they managed to address every pain point I had with my jk
dire viper
I think its just the mega autogroup plague where they share so many parts with other stuff that it hinders the designers ability to make a truly good vehicle
dire viper
cause Stellantis doesnt have a Porsche to do all the group R&D
sly elk
the interior of the wrangler is not very parts bin at all?
dire viper
nah just the switch gear
sly elk
no even that
dire viper
its the electrical and some mechanical bits
sly elk
about the only standard switchgear is the headlight controls
dire viper
modules are the same as a RAM
dire viper
yea we havent had any issues with our RAM?
other than an exhaust manifold leak but thats not common on the gasser, we shoulda had valve tick before that but we havent lol
sly elk
like when a company makes one (1) radio/cluster/bullshit module and shares it with almost all their models
dire viper
but we change the oil every 6k miles instead of 15k so that may be part of it
sly elk
that's great because they can spend all their R&D on designing that shit correctly
and it minimizes the first year issues with a new model because it's using fewer first year parts
dire viper
yep
sly elk
like that always bugged me when people whined about alfas/maseratis using 'dodge caravan window switches'
dire viper
the only annoying thing with the RAM is it got a dealer update to one of the computers that makes it so you cant put the thing in reverse with the door open
which is annoying
sly elk
like yea and mclaren used like random nissan headlights or whatever lol
sly elk
something like that
oh one huge thing i hated about my jk that the jl solved was the turning circle
the jk made comically wide u-turns for its size
dire viper
uses Volkswagen Corrado side mirrors
sly elk
the jl actually does really well at that
dire viper
something like that
did u know that the software for the onboard computers of the F1 can only be accessed by a very specific laptop not made since the 90's
sly elk
but their steering box hahaha dang
sly elk
did u know that the software for the onboard computers of the F1 can only be acc...
yep
i don't remember why
dire viper
if you need to reset the computers you gotta call up McLaren in the UK and they can connect via an ethernet cable or something wack and do stuff
sly elk
i find it hilarious and kinda asinine tbh but hey 90s tech
sly elk
no i mean
that it requires that one specific model of laptop
that I find asinine and funny
sly elk
i don't remembe why
dire viper
dont want just ANYBODY accessing your F1
sly elk
it's probably just the driver was written using an assumption that was only true about that specific computer
90s software, lol
dire viper
"The reason we need those specific Compaq laptops is that they run a bespoke CA card which is installed into them," explains a McLaren spokesperson to Jalopnik. "The CA card is an interface between the laptop software (which is DOS-based) and the car." If you've never heard of a CA card, then Jalopnik commenter Mike Herbst helpfully explains it's a Conditional Access card. Modern PCs use smart cards or USB keys with special access codes to access sensitive systems, and the CA card was used as custom hardware as part of an integrated system for security and copy protection.
this makes sense
dire viper
the car was literally using McLarens Formula 1 engine management system, the other teams were rich enough to buy a car and swipe it if possible
sly elk
that's actually kinda neat
a cybersecurity expert would fucking love it
and ofc everyone else would fucking hate it 😄
so the computer in the car only runs software signed with the hardware key that only works in those laptops
but again why does that key only work in those laptops
dire viper
the best drivers car in the world using a BMW engine 
sly elk
😄 that's the shit 90s software aspect lmao
dire viper
Bavarian Motor Werks goes crazy
sly elk
bmw engine in a not-bmw car is somehow always a winning combo
torpid kayak
anyone uses AFMF 2 or Lossless Scaling on FFXIV? :d
dire viper
both the best of their class
I wish BMW built there V16. it was literally designed and built in an engineers kitchen.
sly elk
Ineos Grenadier uses a BMW inline 6 and a ZF 8HP
yea tbh if I had to trade my jeep for any other suv i'd get a grenadier lol
sly elk
LOL
g wagons cost twice as much though
and yet i imagine they're worse in every way imaginable
the new gen ones, too powerful, too expensive, too many electronic gadgets, too heavy?
idk maybe the new g is lighter than the grenadier LOL
who knows
dire viper
the new gen ones, too powerful, too expensive, too many electronic gadgets, too ...
They’re actually nice I hate to admit
The AMG version has too much power
dire viper
Otherwise it’s a very adequate do everything vehicle
I’ve seen AMG’s out in the middle of nowhere on over landing trails so
They get use here
sly elk
part of me wants
dire viper
But that’s a Utah thing
sly elk
a fussy italian car with like Real Cow Leather™ seats
dire viper
isn't that mercedes whole thing
The last two decades have been rough so 50/50
dire viper
a fussy italian car with like Real Cow Leather™ seats
I can’t think of any off the top of my head lmao
sly elk
like i admit to being a jerk here, i don't want vegan synthetic leather
i want real cow leather LOL
dire viper
The older Ferraris and Aston Martins do but those are only the top dog cars
dire viper
Like an old Aston with cow leather is like the Vantage V550 and the V600 Le Mans which use 6 entire cow hides for the interior
And those are 500k-800k
The V600 only had 50 examples built and they only go up for option every few years
Actually the Ferrari F355 might
But those are only good if you get the manual and it’s gated and a very sporty car so you actually have to drive it hard
dire viper
My M3 is like that, old cars just generally want to be driven hard
sly elk
hmm but i don't get the bit about only super expensive cars having actual leather
dire viper
It’s cause vegan leather costs like a dollar per square foot at those bulk buying prices
sly elk
like I get that you'd have to spend that much to get top quality 'the entire interior came from this set of cows' interior
but i'm pretty sure you didn't need to buy a $600k car to get seats covered in actual leather
sly elk
like i recall at least a few mere mortal cars that had a like $3-5k-ish 'seats actually have leather' option lol
dire viper
So half a cowhide
dire viper
like i recall at least a few mere mortal cars that had a like $3-5k-ish 'seats a...
You specified cow hide
sly elk
oh ok i kinda sorta get it now
idk if they still do ti
but chrysler used to put a dang tag hanging on the seats in the car when new bragigng about the leather LOL
dire viper
They still do cowhide, it’s just the cowhide in a Ferrari is WAY different than the cowhide in a Dodge lmao
sly elk
i don't think they ever offered 'full leather upholstery' though, just 'leather trimmed'
dire viper
The leather in a dodge is normal cow
sly elk
They still do cowhide, it’s just the cowhide in a Ferrari is WAY different than ...
sure sure
tbh?
dire viper
Ferrari has fancy leather
dire viper
They don’t use calf skin tho so it has texture
sly elk
oh ok
sly elk
the funny part i think in my jeep the actual leather piece of the seat is the part with very little texture LOL
but idk for sure
in my old one the entire seat had a pretty hefty texture so I really couldn't tell you what was real and what wasn't
dire viper
Yea leather is kind of messy to get into, it’s always been expensive cause actual leather requires actual skilled workers to make nice
The 911 and Cayman are hand done interiors
Every single one
Which adds a lot of cost lmao
Custom recaro seats just for the 911 and Cayman and then all the covers are hand stitched, and then you can get hand done leather for the vents which is so funny
Suede/leather to just cover the slats of the AC vents 😭
It’s a decently expensive option
sly elk
Suede/leather to just cover the slats of the AC vents 😭
i remember the 'leather hvac control surround' option on the cayman lmao
it's like $350
idk porsche options are hilarious
i love it
dire viper
But yea, old sports car with real leather that is sort of obtainable? Ferrari 360 or F355
sly elk
tbh though i would want to order a cayman
and like get no options except the one stupidest option lmao
dire viper
Ferrari 360 with a gated manual is like 80-90k
sly elk
and maybe uh
dire viper
Ruby star cayenne turbo GT is near where I live
sly elk
maybe i'd get the $6000 paint
and just have someone bring their 90s chameleon mustang over for the paint sample
dire viper
iirc that Cayenne is optioned out to like 300k or something crazy, retired person who owns it too lol
dire viper
maybe i'd get the $6000 paint
You could get 100k paint tho :)
Chromaflair paint is expensive af
That’s the color shift paint additive
sly elk
for $100k
dire viper
They’d do that lmao
sly elk
hell yea 😄
dire viper
They do custom paint jobs all the time
sly elk
"ok look, it's 1986 and I'm a redneck that just won the lottery"
dire viper
It’s a special wishes thing but they don’t care as long as you’re paying
sly elk
"my dream car was a firebird until i won the lottery so ccan I have that bird on my porsche?"
then for laughs
dire viper
Lmao
sly elk
take the car to fender and have them make a matching guitar
sly elk
you only really see it with custom bentleys or rolls royces lol
dire viper
If you’re gonna spend 800k on customizing your 911 you might as well go fucking crazy with it
Some people rack up the special wishes bill to over a million
sly elk
i think part of that is because people have a fear of people recognizing them from their car?
like the whole steve jobs no license plate thing
it's also kinda seen as tacky and narcissistic to have a car that stands out
instead of ya know fun
dire viper
Steve Jobs is just weird
sly elk
but a lot of people personalize/customize their car still
dire viper
Well you’re driving a Porsche
I’m gonna know you by car regardless of what color it is
It’s like buying a special limited edition car and then being like “oh people will recognize me” no shit
sly elk
idk in la there's a lot of fancy cars
dire viper
Yea but there’s only so many people with Bugatti Chiron Super Sport 300+’s
They only made a few of those, almost all of them happen to be in LA lol
sly elk
ya know the only place i've seen a bugatti is in the car museum LOL
sly elk
i don't think i've ever seen one on the road that I can recall lol
ferraris and mclarens and rolls and bentleys i do see
dire viper
There’s a guy with a Bugatti Veyron, Pagani Huayra, and a Koenigsegg Agera and he rotates through all of them every other week
sly elk
hell if I go to the fedex store it's next to the ferrari dealer lol
but uh
i've seen a koenigsegg before
dire viper
In LA I saw Ferrari Enzo’s and shit being driven around which was crazy
sly elk
i don't think i've ever seen a pagani
dire viper
You’d know if you saw either, they stand out insanely well lol
The Bugatti Veyron also stands out like a sore thumb
sly elk
for sure lol
sly elk
the other car i've never seen in peson is a mclaren f1
i've seen pretty much every other mclaren lmao
and no i don't live in that part of la
dire viper
Barret Jackson’s owner, Craig Jackson, had a Black and Chrome Veyron he regularly drives around LA
So imagine that one I posted but all the orange is chrome
sly elk
hehe
dire viper
the other car i've never seen in peson is a mclaren f1
Yea nah unless you go to a Concourse or private auction you’ll never see one
They’re too valuable to drive around often
50-70 million at auction now
Although I will say, when they do F1 owner meetups, they do drive them hard
Same with Bugatti’s lmao
They do a Veyron owners meet and they will do 250 on the highway 😬
sly elk
i don't like driving near cars that expensive anyway
dire viper
Fair
The most expensive car I’ve ever been side by side with in traffic was a Ferrari La Ferrari
Only time I’ve ever seen one also
Ive only seen a Porsche 918 and I’ve been inside a Carrera GT
sly elk
my insurance's property damage liability only goes up to 100k -_-
dire viper
lol
sly elk
i'd have to have an umbrella policy to feel ok driving that close to a $500k car ya know
dire viper
Usually what happens is that if it’s a true accident where neither is at fault or it’s the expensive car owners fault, the insurance companies will sue each other lol
Like you can’t just go “this person has to replace my 2 million dollar car”
Especially with cars like that, a single door has to be made to order by the manufacturer and it costs like 15-30k
If it’s carbon
Some cars get insurance totaled also for minor damage like that cause they crunch the monocoque just barely
I know a McLaren P1 got totaled for a minor dent cause it happened to crack the monocoque just barely lmao
golden stream
HOLY S SO MANY USB PORTS
CAN I HAVE IT
8 A-type 7 C-type, assuming a few more on the case
Y E S
sly elk
ngl
i... kinda wanna swap my x670e carbon for an x870e carbon after seeing the specs
even that has 7x usb-c 4.0 ports
Expansion and Storage performance are further supercharged with PCIe Gen 5.0 speeds to ensure that you can upgrade to next-gen Gen 5.0 graphics cards and SSDs without sacrificing any performance. You’ll also find built-in USB4 (40Gbps) capabilities on these motherboards, thanks to native support for the standard on X870E and X870 chipsets. This means you can connect to a broad range of next-gen USB devices and docks, while also enjoying display-out via USB-C when using integrated graphics.
wait
when using integrated
SON OF A
WHY DIDNT THEY ALLOW SOME KIDNA DP INPUT FROM THE VIDEO CARD YOU STUPID @#%*(@#%@#%
(@#$%(&@#%%#@ THIS IS WHY I HATE GAMING COMPUTER PARTS
lemme use a damn monitor that isn't using 15 year old ports already ffs
raw displayport is trash
it's like one of the worst connectors i've ever had the displeasure of using
and I played with 90s and 80s computers plenty so I've seen some shit
no fuck it, I hate displayport connectors. definitely the worst connector i've ever used
the only worse connectors I can think of are phone charger connectors from the 90s/early 00s
sharp star
hazy frost
The thing is people who play competitive games are still opting for OLED over the ‘faster’ TN panels atl for home setups anyway
U get better clarity and instant pixel response times
The extra 100hz refresh rate to go TN isn’t worth it
sharp star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izqEZmjTfuM wake up babes
golden stream
The extra 100hz refresh rate to go TN isn’t worth it
Or u can opt to CRT screen, even better if u like retro
hazy frost
Or u can opt to CRT screen, even better if u like retro <:haha:24084124523941068...
Nvidias ULMB2 is supposed to be good on the high refresh rate monitor supporting it
But still has issues
OLED is reasonable prices now for 240hz anyway
And like yeah it’s maybe twice what the IPS panel is now but it’s not rly much more than what good IPS panels used to be like 5 years ago either
odd sand
the only worse connectors I can think of are phone charger connectors from the 9...
You don't like how they're locking? The one I hate is the mini-DP bc it falls out so easily
I saw a "Corolla Cross" yesterday... why do they do this?
It's not a fucking Corolla. It's just a Rav4 or a new SUV...
At least the Corolla hatchback still maintains the general footprint of the original coupe/sedan
dire viper
I saw a "Corolla Cross" yesterday... why do they do this?
Cause it’s legally a truck
lol
Which I thought was crazy
They somehow got it to be a light truck
odd sand
Even moreso then: It's not even legally the same class of vehicle, so how can it still be a Corolla heh
cold yacht
They somehow got it to be a light truck
Is it one of those weird edge case things for trucks ?
Well suv and trucks
odd sand
Where's my Chevy S10 SUV at!? /s
deep sapphire
Crossovers are unibody
sly elk
You don't like how they're locking? The one I hate is the mini-DP bc it falls ou...
because they're locking, yet even the nicest dp cables use the crappiest unlock button ever, and most monitors are made so that the connector slams up against the rear of the chassis, so it's hard to get leverage on the button without feeling like you're gonna rip the connector off the board
and dp as a protocol seems to be really delicate because unless you have the best cables it seems prone to flickering or random black screens or whatever
plus the single notch is harder to feel for vs the hdmi double notch LOL
idk i just find it a big annoying connector
oh well
at least the pins don't get bent like hdmi/dvi
dire viper
Yes
Unibody does not mean it isn’t a truck tho
I’m unclear of what makes something a truck but a lot of lifted sedans that they call Crossovers are starting to be classed as them
deep sapphire
I would hardly classify a crossover as a truck, they arent even as big as a small SUV
A crossover, crossover SUV, or crossover utility vehicle (CUV) is a type of automobile with an increased ride height that is built on unibody chassis construction shared with passenger cars, as opposed to traditional sport utility vehicles (SUV), which are built on a body-on-frame chassis construction similar to pickup trucks.
A term that originated from North America, the term crossover was initially used for any vehicle that blends characteristics between two different kinds of vehicles while, over time, crossover mostly refers to unibody-based SUVs.[1][2] Crossovers are also described as "car-like SUVs" or "car-based SUVs".[3][4][5] The term SUV is often used as an umbrella term for both crossovers and traditional SUVs due to the similarities between them.[6]
its just a jacked up car bro lmao
hazy frost
It’s like the Ford puma they advertise as a ‘SUV crossover’ but it’s literally a tall fiesta
Manufacturers use whatever word sells more cars
deep sapphire
I'll give nissan credit that front end looks pretty good
hazy frost
it just looks like generic SUV slop aimed at middle class people compensating for something
its very hard to make them not look like that
the best ones might be the porsche macan or lexus RZ
the EV6 GT And ioniq5 are like CUVs still right
all CUVs look ok
deep sapphire
I like the headlights
sly elk
I'll give nissan credit that front end looks pretty good
i'm getting old escalade vibes from that front end
deep sapphire
That or a Tahoe haha
deep sapphire
sly elk
the only complaint I have is the last couple of generations of short tahoe/escalade look really awkward
the long one looks fine
deep sapphire
sly elk
idk maybe they're more common where ya live, to me when I see them they look kinda weird
deep sapphire
Honestly not really I think they are more popular in the south
I see a shit ton of Silverados though
sly elk
they used to be a lot more popular
deep sapphire
Why did that embed not work
sly elk
like up until the mid 2010s
deep sapphire
sly elk
the tahoe/suburban/escalade/yukon was universally the big suv
sly elk
but at least out here they really dropped off in popularity after like 2015
deep sapphire
Suburbans kinda stopped being practical when they went upscale and started costing 85,000
Back then they were a utility vehicle for work and family transportation
sly elk
that's what i figure
sly elk
but most of what i see now in the larger end is just like grand highlanders, kia tellurides, etc
is the telluride even that big
man I hate them
they have the same 'fake boxy vehicle' vibe going on that the maverick does
deep sapphire
Yeah
sly elk
the headphone output on my elgato wave 3 appears to be dying. RIP.
there's still some possibility it's noise/interference from the usb chain though
uncut raven
Got this keyboard for my best friend. So when I finally get to send him my gaming laptop and extra (brand new in box) mouse he has brand new stuff besides the laptop
sly elk
i think it's funny how there's a company that specializes in.. well.. actually i'm not surprised
they look like apple monitors lol
sharp star
Do you want wider or wider
royal forge
Right. My govt has blocked the usual DNS
And is making it's way through others
I'm assuming a VPN is my only option, or dns over https
They are hijacking the IPs which is, disturbing
Is it difficult to setup dns over https and how much of an impact on speed/performance would I expect?
real edge
paper tusk
Is it difficult to setup dns over https and how much of an impact on speed/perfo...
in win11: settings> Network & Internet > (device - ethernet/wifi) > dns server assignment > set to manual and enable each. dns over https is obvious
sly elk
i just cannot decide whats better between 21:9 and 32:9
watch out for what panel tech they use
if you buy a samsung, the ones that aren't OLED are using VA panels
the amount of color shifting is.. frankly ridiculous
royal forge
in win11: settings> Network & Internet > (device - ethernet/wifi) > dns server a...
It appears dns over https is blocked too
So.. THATS fun
paper tusk
:<
golden stream
I'm assuming a VPN is my only option, or dns over https
you can use ProtonVPN (they have free plan) or DNS changing
it shouldn't impact much but then again we dunno also 3 offices of VNG were raided by police this afternoon
royal forge
you can use ProtonVPN (they have free plan) or DNS changing
They block most of the big dns-es
Kinda shitty
Dystopian almost
golden stream
I've been ProtonVPN for the whole day today
also le typhon is cometh
modest moss
Dystopian almost
have they blocked your big tiddy anime girls?
lost python
shues not blue anymore 
inland mauve
royal forge
have they blocked your big tiddy anime girls?
that and other sites. Even some journo sites that are hosted on cloudflare
get this
they just hijacked cloudflare.com
its just... rather disturbing
but that's rule 4 talk
modest moss
shues not blue anymore <:Thonk:320424213527920640>
indefinite leave yeah, you know how shit goes behind closed doors
lost python
inland mauve
wraith agate
I could write a horror story out of this
inland mauve
oh NO
sly walrus
I could write a horror story out of this
da last of us
golden stream
Okay I'm a bit desperate
So um I was an idiot, updated w11, no issue in dualbooting ok fine
HOWEVER it broke linux fan detect and fan control in general (got my laptop run at 60-80C without fan roaring up and I was ????)
So what's the best way to (re)detect and control fan?
I mean the worst I could nuke my distro and reinstall but I'd rather not do it rn, not bring boot disks w me
potent arrow
what distro are you on
deep sapphire
inland mauve
grats
lethal dune
I need help with getting an HDMI cable
My screen is very old
And I would like to get a new one cable
Unfortunately my current cable is for Mac only is not compatible with PC
This is the slots I have
The white one is for mac
And is a thunderbolt
inland mauve
there is no HDMI port on this screen
modest moss
do you need it to carry sound?
@lethal dune
hdmi to dvi would work
just no audio
golden stream
what distro are you on
Fedora, but I also scouted a dood who using the same laptop model as me (Gigagbyte G5), having same issue on debian
The only way to adjust fan curve is on windows and via Gigabyte Control Center
paper tusk
I build my PC for the first time
grats
sly elk
wow now THIS is what I call a minimalist setup: https://old.reddit.com/r/battlestations/comments/1famp8l/simplicity/
sharp star
https://youtu.be/6VjYFdHMC3A?si=De9Y4BxC4FWskPRm
I'm almost done with the video and fucking Christ, EK
odd sand
I just find him really intolerable in large doses, even if he has a good message
Because he's just so smug and full of himself that he comes across as an asshole while he does it
So it's just an asshole berating other assholes 
old jetty
Yo, I need a bit of help asap
sharp star
With?
old jetty
I'm looking for a case to slot an Asus tuf 4080 in and to replace the current one
As the one I had is just a tad short than what I need
sharp star
Budget for said case?
old jetty
Any is fine, really
I found one already, which is the NZXT H6 Flow, CC-H61FB-01 on Amazon
sharp star
If you want something that doesn't break the bank I would recommend the Lancool 216 from Lian Li
Also you pay for some really nice 160mms with that price
sharp star
I've fit 4080s in Lancool 216s
old jetty
Ye, but I'm looking for something that deliver next week, and that one is like 3-4 weeks atm
Although it would have been pretty good oterwhise, ye
sharp star
Fractal Torrent?
I also heard that Antec's C8 is also a good one
There's options for included 160mms or no fans
old jetty
Mhm, looking, but they're all like 2 week deliveries. Also is the one I posted good/bad? Asking since it is the only one so far that I saw comes monday
hazy frost
Because he's just so smug and full of himself that he comes across as an asshole...
Thank god I am not the only person who thinks that
I felt like I was going insane recently with how much everyone loves him
His presentation really ruins what is otherwise good journalism and testing
hazy frost
Mhm, looking, but they're all like 2 week deliveries. Also is the one I posted g...
It’s not great but it’s not bad
It looks nice, the airflow is fine but u need to buy more fans than other cases and it’s quite expensive
old jetty
Ah, so I'd need additional fans too?
sharp star
yes
old jetty
Nvm
deep sapphire
snow cypress
having trouble with my elgato facecam, keeps saying its needs to be plugged into a USB 3 port which is what i have it plugged it into. But it keeps saying its in a USB 2 port
snow cypress
Would have to order another cord, I was using the cord that it originally came with
sharp star
Is the cable proprietary or something
late basalt
Figured out the problem I was having with my tablet a weekish ago. fucking cable it came with was the problem. used the usbc from my iphone and was able to get into the download mode to unlock the bootloader without any issues.
sly elk
His presentation really ruins what is otherwise good journalism and testing
this is why i miss the review sites with good writing, it's coming down to JUST tom's hardware these days
which is fine if you want to know the latest intel is the best thing ever and there's no contest so just buy it
also reading performance charts from a video is fuckign asinine
sly elk
kind rune
odd sand
Good Guy AMD, amirite?! Aren't we glad they saved us from Intel's tyranny!?
So their plan was to lower the price of the CPUs slightly while keeping largely the same specs/IPC and instead charge mobo vendors more for the chipset huh?
hazy frost
This is basically the price the x670e was
Who’s surprised
Not that u need to buy one anyway bc the good b650 or b650e boards will still do more than you’d need
paper tusk
I found one already, which is the NZXT H6 Flow, CC-H61FB-01 on Amazon
is next friday (13th) fast enough? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D5PHHCK5
Montech AIR 903 MAX is available via prime (it's yet another mesh front case)
probably would want a gpu brace with either case
since not a vertical mount
hazy frost
is next friday (13th) fast enough? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D5PHHCK5
I’d get the H6 over that one even if it costs more
The 903 is better
deep sapphire
why doesnt Toyota offer crate engines, thats just ridiculous to charge a customer 23 grand for a new engine
thats literally the price of the vehicle when it was basically new
what logic is that
odd sand
I guess "buy used beater, rebuild motor, put in wooden crate" is the new crate motor /s
sly elk
sadness
how do you fuck up a v8 man
that's a ford thing ya know
maybe they hired the ford dudes to make that v8
deep sapphire
the engine isnt really bad but when people dont flush their coolant once in awhile it becomes corrosive and starts to eat away metal
and unlike cast iron, aluminum doesnt hold up well to that
sly elk
that's a good point
-makes a mental note to get all the fluids in his jeep flushed-
did that with the cadillac already, well... almost all of it
not the brake fluid or the power steering fluid
cold yacht
Imagine having coolant
deep sapphire
-makes a mental note to get all the fluids in his jeep flushed-
yeah just check the reservoir once in awhile
if its looking dirty then get it flushed
deep sapphire
My Stinger is at 40k now: Anything I should consider flushing for that?
Check the fluid color, if it looks dirty then it wouldn’t hurt
Doesn’t usually cost more then 150 bucks
sharp star
https://gpupurse.com/products/gt730-purse-with-fan okay but why
modest moss
$1024
dire viper
My Stinger is at 40k now: Anything I should consider flushing for that?
Brake fluid
Everybody forgets brake fluid
I checked some of the company trucks on Friday and nobody has been replacing their brake fluid and we had a truck that hadn’t had the brake fluid changed for 100k miles…
It was just black
No clue how it was still doing its job, that shit should’ve been compressing with how contaminated it was
golden stream
Me browsing reddit
https://soulscircuit.com/pilet
THIS ONE IS HECKING DOPE 
lost python
sly elk
i ponder if focusing on video game console sales is a reliable strategy anymore
sure it worked in the past
but I suspect that to some degree, mobile gaming has eaten some of that market
there's also stuff like
deep sapphire
people keep telling me the PS5 is on pace to be the best selling console of all time yet nobody ever talks about them lmao
wraith agate
The only thing I keep hearing about PS5 is it has no games
sly walrus
it has astro bot
sly elk
people keep telling me the PS5 is on pace to be the best selling console of all ...
it may be the best selling console of all time
and there comes the fun stuff, right?
for sony, if it's the best selling console of all time, then it's probably the most profit a console has ever made, yes?
so there's no need for them to say, give up on consoles
wraith agate
it has astro bot
I mean respectable but still not a masterpiece like Knack
sly elk
but every other game company is like "omg we make so much more off mobile"
(no surprise lol)
mobile has the advantage that everyone needs to have a phone and the lower price to entry
you can buy tons of phones that can run most mobile games, for under $300
some random dude in india has $500.. are they going to spend it on a ps5 or a new phone?
I do suppose that means, if the ps5 is the best selling console ever, that amd's plan to target mass market stuff is reasonable
wraith agate
Clearly Sony needs to release the MobileStation
sly elk
and to be fair
if they can produce a "80% of the performance of an nvidia flagship for like 35% of the price" kinda product
that does have room to sell a lot more, for sure
wraith agate
Also not like AMD isn't making chips for smartphones
potent arrow
brick ass
cerulean talon
Gonna need to start including a 20v rail on desktop PSU's at this rate,.
pine thistle
why is it gen 2x2 instead of a simpler Gen 3
cerulean talon
2x2 is the usb-c standard.
The physical-motherboard connector one at the least.
You can get the 3.2 blue wides to USB-c, but it's easier to use the 2x2's, and they're fairly common on modern cases at this point.
pine thistle
er, I should've mentioned I meant the name hah
dire viper
I cant wait for Sreten to finally get to do a car for BMW proper
cool to see him getting factory recognition for his work
hard drift
why does it say tool...?
dire viper
clearly its a reference to the band
modest moss
why does it say tool...?
devkit
hard drift
ah, makes sense
sly elk
tessler
dire viper
there is also volvo's supertruck
which the commercial design of that should be available next year?
the test bed gets double the fuel economy of existing long haul trucks
smaller engine to create a smaller front section to reduce drag
single seater
Supertruck 3 is in testing rn with DOE funding
sly elk
the plus/minus of using electric drivetrains is you can do stuff you couldn't with the diesel engine setup
ugh the problem is the same as with cars though
"It's crap because <it doesn't work for my 1 specific use case that hardly any cars actually work for>"
deep sapphire
the thing I like about the edison is its a hybrid
sly elk
or or
deep sapphire
and hybrids should be more common
sly elk
"It's crap because I need it to do <thing that I've never done with my vehicle and only plan to do once or twice in its lifetime>"
deep sapphire
I mean thats how trains have operated for decades now
electro diesel powertrains
diesel for the sustained transmission of power, electric motors to get it off the line
dire viper
oh no supertruck 2 is a dual seater, neat
in a few years I think hybrids will just be common
kenworth and volvo are already testing them
and have been for more than a year
hybrid plus super low drag platform means doubling fuel efficiency easily
but now you need techs to work on hybrid 18 wheelers
deep sapphire
I think all vehicles should be hybrid period, fully electric doesnt make a lot of sense to me in the current time with huge infrastructure problems. not everyone lives in a house that can charge overnight, and with constant worries of the batteries thermally running away in your garage who wnats to do that anyway
dire viper
wait until molten batteries become a thing in EV's
thats a tech thats surprisingly close and is more energy dense than lithium ion iirc
same with molten salt
they've been messing around with that
deep sapphire
arent Li-Pro batteries the current newest battery standard that still doesnt have wide adoption but it does handle thermal cycles much better than Li-Ion
deep sapphire
oh sorry its Li-Po
dire viper
also not buying a tesla saves you the battery run off issue
In summary, if you are looking for the highest voltage under load (punch or top speed) then choose a LiPo. If you are looking for the highest capacity for the weight (energy density), choose Li-ion. If safety is a big concern, then choose Li-ion.
dire viper
I have discovered the solution to having bad battery density. u just make it weigh nothing, be half solar panels, and be as aerodynamically efficient as possible
deep sapphire
maybe this is what I was thinking of
4 is an intrinsically safer cathode material than LiCoO
2 and manganese dioxide spinels through omission of the cobalt, whose negative temperature coefficient of resistance can encourage thermal runaway. The P–O bond in the (PO
4)3−
ion is stronger than the Co–O bond in the (CoO
2)−
ion, so that when abused (short-circuited, overheated, etc.), the oxygen atoms are released more slowly. This stabilization of the redox energies also promotes faster ion migration.[43][better source needed]
As lithium migrates out of the cathode in a LiCoO
2 cell, the CoO
2 undergoes non-linear expansion that affects the structural integrity of the cell. The fully lithiated and unlithiated states of LiFePO
4 are structurally similar which means that LiFePO
4 cells are more structurally stable than LiCoO
2 cells.[citation needed]
No lithium remains in the cathode of a fully charged LFP cell. In a LiCoO
2 cell, approximately 50% remains. LiFePO
4 is highly resilient during oxygen loss, which typically results in an exothermic reaction in other lithium cells.[19] As a result, LiFePO
4 cells are harder to ignite in the event of mishandling (especially during charge). The LiFePO
4 battery does not decompose at high temperatures.[34]
Lower energy density```tesla and BYD seem to already use em
Aptera will be peak
me with my tent on my fish car
sly walrus
I have discovered the solution to having bad battery density. u just make it wei...
is this a fuckin seadoo from mars
dire viper
nah its an aptera
the pre production ones rn are the most efficient vehicles
how would you word it
ever?
soon to be production
just waiting for the DOT safety stuff to get back to them
muhfuckin car with a lower drag coefficient than most airplanes
odd sand
LiPO has been the standard for batteries in the RC hobby market for at least a decade now
sly elk
Lifepo4?
dire viper
I wanna buy an aptera when they come out
For the energy of one gallon of gas, it would get 370 miles of range 
Cause 75-90% efficiency
odd sand
They make Lifepo4, but actually it was LiPO that's been around for 10+ years. Supposedly LifePO4 can be found for like the servos and receiver battery, but for the main motor batteries it's still LiPO bc LifePO4 have much lower discharge rates
odd sand
I wanna buy an aptera when they come out
Until some dipshit in a new truck or raised truck doesn't see you and uses you as a speedbump /s
dire viper
Well then hey that’s an insurance payout for you
Cause it’s not just trucks that don’t see you
It’s everybody
I know people with Miata’s that have gotten into wrecks with normal sedans and the drivers said they never saw them
Or people with Lotus Elise’s
The federalized Lotus Elise sold in the US only weighed 2000lbs
And was small enough anybody in a crossover wouldn’t be able to see you unless they had their mirrors properly setup
It’s smaller than a golf
odd sand
Well then hey that’s an insurance payout for you
Life-long-pain-and-suffering... $1M payout... lifelong pain... payout... hmmm
Or: I'm dead... payout... I'm dead... payout...
dire viper
Also consider crushing another car completely and going “I didn’t see it” is an easy as fuck win for a lawyer cause they can just go “driver was dog shit at the driving thing”
Plus the aptera is very tall for what it is
Cause it has to seat drivers over 6 feet tall
While something like an Elise won’t fit anybody over 5’ 11 with the roof on
The consequences of weight reduction
The OG Elise not sold in the US only weighed 1500lbs
Which lotus was disappointed by, they wanted it to weigh 1200
sly elk
I wanna say Elise’s are still pretty noticeable
dire viper
They are cause 99% of them are crazy bright colors
sly elk
Yep
dire viper
Very few were just the normal silver
sly elk
Miatas are a little easier to miss but still you shouldn’t miss those things when driving
dire viper
Eh
sly elk
Like if they can’t see a fucking car
dire viper
Miata’s are bigger than an Elise
dire viper
And again Miata’s are usually the bright red lmao
I see new Miata’s get in accidents too, I think it’s just people have never had to setup their mirrors properly
They should be angled slightly downward
Cause it’s helpful for seeing things and also when reversing, but everybody has a backup camera on their tank of death so who cares right
Backup cameras are a great safety thing but everybody relies on them too much
New drivers should not be allowed to drive brand new cars with all this tech that makes them complacent right off the bat
odd sand
Well when you drive a full sized SUV and kids are distracting in the vehicle and you're an idiot that is glued to their phone or 12" tablet sized center console half the time...
dire viper
Also blind spot indicators won’t trigger on some cars like a Miata or Elise with extruded aluminum frames and bodies
They still usually will, it’s just the indicators have a hard time
My M3 is big and all aluminum yet I see some cars with blind spot warnings never even trigger when I’m next to them
dire viper
Well when you drive a full sized SUV and kids are distracting in the vehicle and...
It’s so bad here
Ppl instantly on their phone at lights
And then slam on their gas when it turns green
I’ve almost been rear ended at a light even when I’m going very quick off the line
Minivan mom on her phone slamming on her gas as soon as the color green enters her peripheral vision
And then her car slammed the auto brakes on her
odd sand
My friend is bound and determined to throw a rod in her Odyssey
I went on a bike ride today and got a flat like 5mi in and couldn't be assed to replace my innertube atm so I got my friend to pick me up with her van
6 months ago I did the research to find the ecomode disabler module she needed, and to run techron thru the engine etc.
They still haven't done it and today it was lurching repeatedly when she gave it gas
Probably already fouled another set of spark plugs in like 6 weeks since they got them replaced
At this rate I don't know if adding the module and cleaning up the gunk will be enough. There may already be too much dmg where using techron will just make it foul the plugs faster and they simply need to get the engine rebuilt.
To which I pointed out: Which is cheaper: $100 for that stuff, or $25,100 for a new van? or $2500+ for redoing the piston rings?
dire viper
lol
odd sand
"We're so busy we keep forgetting"
"I'm here with you right now. Make a calendar note."
she did not make a note
sly elk
meanwhile aircraft tugs
deep sapphire
Based
odd sand
That has real "leaned over face an inch from the ground pushing with your tiptoes" energy if it were a person pulling heh
sly elk
i wonder if tesla will get into the airplane business
lost python
i hope not
sly walrus
not if they don’t wanna be responsible for a 500% uptick in plane crashes
imagine the mind that gave us the cyberfuck
applied to a thing that flies
sly elk
i didn't say they'd be successful in it
hazy frost
i wonder if tesla will get into the airplane business
I think it’s more likely space x would do it
They somehow have a slightly better track record than Tesla all things considered
pine thistle
mostly because they keep musks fingers as far away as possible
sharp star
If Musk got into the aviation business he would be too busy trying to impregnate a plane instead of being the genius he claims to be
inland mauve
honest panther
hazy frost
No
golden stream
600$ that's p ok but the spec is lackluster
But the price
But again, the spec and your need
hazy frost
its not good value no matter what
its just 4 year old hardware performance with new names to make it sound better
4050 is a joke, 8gb of ram iss a joke, and the processor isnt fast either
its not a particularly nice model in terms of anything else either
8gb of ram doesnt cut it for anything anymore at all so u would have to pray its not just soldered and has an extra slot and then spend more money on ram
and it would still be mediocre
odd sand
https://www.youtube.com/live/uarNiSl_uh4
The new iLight Nightlight, only from Apple
Although I expecte it's a new OLED display with triple perfect b/w contrast and peak nits OVER 9000
dapper ferry
sly walrus
hi, tim
cold yacht
2 new watches and AirPods
cold yacht
The pink iPhone 16 is cute
sly walrus
i'm looking at all the ai stuff with one eyebrow raised
the stuff they're adding to the watch genuinely looks interesting
cold yacht
ai this ai that
sly walrus
i just wanna know if i'm ai nough
dusky magnet
I think it’s funny that they gave up on the whole titanium frame thing
Back to an aluminum alloy body
sly walrus
nah they're still using titanium on the watch
okay now tell me how this is gonna run zzz
RTX ON
dusky magnet
Give us something to compare it with damn you.
sharp star
WAR THUNDER
dusky magnet
Just say like 3070 or anything.
sly walrus
this looks like a gacha
FRAME DROPPING
don't just tell me re4 is gonna run on this, show me re4 running on this
dusky magnet
We gave it two battery
sharp star
I think it'll be one of the last announcements
sly walrus
we'll see if tim has a "one more thing"
there it is
this is the one that's gonna be able to run cyberpunk
sharp star
There it is, he said it
sly walrus
"announcing SHODAN, our new ai assistant"
titaniuuuuuuuuuuum
desert titanium, for the sands of arrakis
cold yacht
the airpod hearing aids is interesting
dusky magnet
sly walrus
DEATH STRANDING
cold yacht
but yeah apple watch seems intereting though only use i got for it is just for running
sharp star
The Apple Watch and AirPods segments were way more interesting than the iPhone parts
cold yacht
iphone is sort of at that part where theres not much to do with it
sharp star
Yeah
sly walrus
but my family just bought a new printer, so money is tight for a few months
odd sand
What did they get. And please don't tell me they wasted money on an inkjet in 2024...
sharp star
Yeah they're kinda just uh
odd sand
That's an inkjet... Well, if they do like to print color it's at least a more sensible choice than the avg $120 inkjet junk
cold yacht
the sped through skin tone correction lul
cold yacht
i hate my printer
potent arrow
my printer is a 5$ FB marketplace special
sly walrus
think the one we just replaced was a laserjet
cold yacht
its an old 2008 canon printer that barely connets to wifi now
odd sand
Sure, but once again you need to use it often enough to make it make sense or you're pissing away a lot of ink just cleaning the print heads and not using it
sly walrus
most of what we print is documents and sewing patterns
sharp star
Slow-mo, yay
odd sand
Whereas you can unplug a laser for a year, plug it back in, let it heat up for 2mins and print perfectly crisp pages. (Although ngl probably would want to take the toner cart out and shake it a few times)
If its mostly b/w or doesn't have to be color, then it's more economical to have a laser but it is what it is at this point
Laser would be especially good for patterns bc you don't have to wait for it to dry or risk getting that on the cloth
sly walrus
so you can make it sound like live recordings are adr'd
dusky magnet
Why would any average consumer need anything like this
sly walrus
for some reason
cold yacht
i do like how iphone is being used as a way for indie films
cold yacht
Why would any average consumer need anything like this
which feature?
dusky magnet
AI assisted audio mixing on recorded video
sly walrus
the filmmaking shit, probably
dusky magnet
So make a dedicated camera?
cold yacht
expensive
cold yacht
its easier to sell a phone with a pretty good camera on it compared to a dedicated camera
especially since that means apple have to compete with establish camera brands
sly walrus
but yeah apple watch lookin good
dusky magnet
Appa Watch he says lol
sly walrus
yip yip, motherfucker
cold yacht
sharp star
"Clinical grade hearing aid" sounds like a stretch
sly walrus
a new generation of food pornography
sly walrus
"Clinical grade hearing aid" sounds like a stretch
it seems genuine
and they are committing to it
sharp star
hopefully or they'll get in trouble, if I'm not mistaken
cold yacht
darn no mac mini
sly walrus
next time
sharp star
yeah it's not a Mac presentation
cold yacht
but yeah the watch seems interesting
sharp star
They have separate ones for iOS and iPadOS, iPad, Macs, etc.
cold yacht
apple really wants you to swim with your watch
dusky magnet
Never 
sly walrus
They have separate ones for iOS and iPadOS, iPad, Macs, etc.
and the operating system announcements happen at wwdc, which is habitually in june
i remember last year they announced the new macbooks the day before halloween
dire viper
Just buy an actual diver watch if you want a watch for water
You’re wasting money regardless and an actual watch looks cooler
sly walrus
so could be something around then
dire viper
Could get a Zodiac Super Sea Wolf smh
cold yacht
i imagine you get the apple watch for the health monitor
dire viper
L
sly walrus
yeah i wanna track sleep apnea
dire viper
Nuh uh
sly walrus
i wonder if it's also gonna tell me how fucked my cholesterol is
cold yacht
probably accurate enough to get people consider getting tested or get a study