technology-discussion

[dire viper]

so numb as hell

yuh

Bob Lutz is the G

[deep sapphire]

wym every car except really new cars use hydraulic steering

[sly elk]

err

[deep sapphire]

unless you own a 1942 willy's jeep

with no power steering at all

[sly elk]

i don't think any car uses hydraulic steering anymore lol

it's all electric

[deep sapphire]

sure they do

they are

electric assisted

[sly elk]

suuure

[deep sapphire]

its true

[dire viper]

a lot of cars use hydraulic steering cause its cheap

[sly elk]

with the steering wheel that feels like a logitech g29

[deep sapphire]

they still have a hydraulic pump

[dire viper]

you put in the fluid in your steering rack right

thats hydraluic fluid

[deep sapphire]

^

[hazy frost]

Why buy mx5 when u can buy s2000, mr2, or capuccino

[sly elk]

and then there';s the cursed shit my wrangler has

[deep sapphire]

miata**

[hazy frost]

MX5**

[dire viper]

ok so the current issues with the Miata are: build quality, infotainment, steering feel

[deep sapphire]

|| .
.
.
miata .||

[dire viper]

the ND1 had some random ass issues with build quality but they fixed it

[hazy frost]

Are any of the cheap CarPlay receivers good

[languid lava]

what generation of miata are we talking about

[dire viper]

it sounded like production line worker issues

[hazy frost]

I was gonna buy the Sony one but it’s like

£250

[languid lava]

bc i got tagged and we’re talking ND

[dire viper]

yes

[sly elk]

Lutz was at least partly responsible for the Ford Sierra, the Ford Explorer, the revolutionary 1994 Dodge Ram, the Dodge Viper, the Chrysler LH models, the last-generation Pontiac GTO, the Jeep Grand Cherokee, the Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice twins; the Pontiac G8, the Hummer H3, the Plymouth Prowler, the Chevrolet Cruze, the Chevrolet Malibu, the Cadillac CTS, the Chevrolet Camaro, the Buick Lacrosse, the Chevrolet Equinox, and the Cadillac SRX. There are more, both good cars and bad.

[dire viper]

what gen do you own Kaiyo

[languid lava]

nb

[dire viper]

based

[languid lava]

10th anniversary edition

[dire viper]

NB best miata

[languid lava]

[deep sapphire]

bob lutz probably helped bankrupt GM by making them have an SS trim for every fuckin car they made

[hazy frost]

NB is good

[deep sapphire]

but thats still pretty based

[dire viper]

NA is cool but NB is way more refined and nice to drive with a better interior

[sly elk]

did they make an Uplander SS?

[deep sapphire]

okay tbf probably not

[hazy frost]

NA is also overpriced bc internet likes it too much

[sly elk]

too bad

[deep sapphire]

imagine an SS mini van

LMAOOOO

LS swapped minivan

hell yeah

[languid lava]

thank you, people are too obsessed w the damn headlights

[sly elk]

honestly they need to fire the chrysler management for never making a pacifica SRT

[deep sapphire]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a26131407/pontiac-montana-sv6-ls-swap/

bahahaha

[hazy frost]

Pop ups are cool tho

I don’t like the NA pop ups that much anyway

[dire viper]

yea the NB is just the perfect miata

a good NB is cheaper than a bad NA right now

which is funny

[sly elk]

I love that Chevy was that psycho

[hazy frost]

Exactly

[dire viper]

its the cult car effect

[hazy frost]

The problem

The NB is way better value

[dire viper]

you can buy an E46 M3 for way cheaper than any of the JDM cult classics right now and the E46 M3 is just a better car in EVERY single way

[deep sapphire]

the only issue is

[sly elk]

the problem is it's a BMW

[deep sapphire]

the transmission attached to the FWD LS engines

[sly elk]

and worse

it's an M3

[deep sapphire]

was not very good

the 4T60E didnt not handle them at all rofl

[sly elk]

which isn't a problem with the car itself, the M3 is fantastic

the problem is how people act around M3s

[hazy frost]

U can buy the 6P ibiza FR for even less

Best car of all time

[sly elk]

idiot tuner millennials will key them, challenge you to a race at every red light, etcetc

[deep sapphire]

remember this odd thing

[sly elk]

yes?

[deep sapphire]

I cant believe this was a production vehicle

[hazy frost]

My car is both faster and more practical than the NA

[deep sapphire]

true

most cars are

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-snl-hate-to-gif-19605814

[deep sapphire]

(miatas arent fast)

[hazy frost]

And it costs the same amount

[deep sapphire]

sorry @languid lava

[sly elk]

I'm gonna say

[dire viper]

the Suzuki Cappuccino is as fast as the Miata

[hazy frost]

No my cars just slow lmfao

[sly elk]

we need more cars like that

they provide a little spice in life

[hazy frost]

But atl I have 5 seats and a big boot

[sly elk]

but i'm an asshole make me ceo of stellantis so I can bring back the PT cruiser

[hazy frost]

Except I never have 5 people bc 3 door hatchbacks never actually have more than 2 people in them

[sly elk]

andthe viper

and an Imperial flagship

[dire viper]

the viper wont come back

[hazy frost]

PT cruiser sucks

[dire viper]

V10's are dead

[deep sapphire]

thats because the viper was a bad value

[dire viper]

no amount of gas guzzlers fees can bring them back

[deep sapphire]

and it was hard to drive

[hazy frost]

V10 doesn’t even sound good

Ngl

Overrated engine

[dire viper]

the V10 doesnt sound good on the viper cause the exhaust is insanely restrictive

[deep sapphire]

sure does

[hazy frost]

Yes

[dire viper]

the V10 on the E60 sounds good

[hazy frost]

But like

[dire viper]

like really good

[hazy frost]

In general v10 is just meh

[sly elk]

i'd toss something else under the hood then 😛

[hazy frost]

A good v8 sounds as good

[sly elk]

and I know I know

"THATS NOT A VIPER"

yea well a mid-engined corvette isn't a corvette 😛

[hazy frost]

And I think there are I4s and 6s that with a good exhaust also sound almost as good

[dire viper]

how was it bad value, I dont know much about the pricing history of them

[deep sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/A30Qmi5r5Ys

[sly elk]

and a dodge charger doesn't have 4 doors -rolls eyes

[deep sapphire]

why get a V10

when you can get a 9.4 liter V8

[dire viper]

cause the V10 can rev

[deep sapphire]

so can this

[sly elk]

but

ya i'd make a like

[deep sapphire]

its just whats the point all the power is down low

[sly elk]

amg gt competitor that's all

whether it was a 6x turbo i6 or a v8 or whatever idgaf

it would just look cool af

[deep sapphire]

remember the 632 makes 1000hp and 1000lbs ft of torque on pump gas

no turbos

[sly elk]

car just needs to look cool

[dire viper]

you cant compete with an AMG GT unless your car is the same price and better in everyway

[sly elk]

no it would be half the price

and have a shitty interior

[dire viper]

yea cause displacement

[sly elk]

but have a faster ring time

[dire viper]

its why the 7.3 godzilla is a real ripper

[languid lava]

miatas arent fast, but that doesnt mean mine isnt uwu

actually wasnt would be better

[dire viper]

the Shelby Cobra kit cars with 7.3's are scary scary

[sly elk]

after all it's a dodge

dodges are supposed to have shitty interiors

[dire viper]

ND Miata with supercharger kit goes hard

[deep sapphire]

cant be fast when it doesnt even start

(my timing chain isnt even on my truck rn)

[dire viper]

the extra 50hp and the torque range lift makes them a better sports car than anything 20k over them in price cause they have the numbers to back it up

[languid lava]

actually my only issue currently is ac not cooling air

so we’re doing pretty good compared to last year

[deep sapphire]

did you put a gauge on it

[sly elk]

i'd also take over mazda and bring back the 323 and it would also have a shitty interior because it's a mazda and it'd come in brown with a stick shift

[deep sapphire]

check the vacuum

[dire viper]

that sounds like bad lines

on a car that old

my chrysler sebring got pinholes in one of the lines which just happens

and they didnt make that AC hose anymore

[deep sapphire]

lines usually dont go bad per say its usually the condenser or evap

[sly elk]

and i'd bring back the ford escort and chevy cavalier

[dire viper]

so I had to pay like 150 bucks for a custom line

[deep sapphire]

they certainly can but they tend to rot out of the bottom of the condensers or evaps first lol

[languid lava]

i think i j need a freon top up

[dire viper]

idk hank from my experience as long as the AC was serviced at some point the lines will fail first, but yea if it was never serviced the condenser or evap will die

[deep sapphire]

🤓 um its 134a

[dire viper]

AC systems are disgusting if they arent serviced

I need mine to be serviced

they just rot from the inside out

[deep sapphire]

well ive only owned GMs and usually its the compressor that fails because GM hasnt fuckin figured out in 50 years how to make one

[dire viper]

too busy making compressors for turbos

cant spend the money on AC ones

[deep sapphire]

usually what helps prevent your system from failing is to turn it off and wait 30 seconds

then shut the car off

though modern cars I think cycle the system for you even when you shut it off

[dire viper]

yuh

I wish they did oil and coolant cycling in older sports cars

so it actually didnt just sit after a hot summers day

[deep sapphire]

im not really sure how they would implement that when its all driven by engine accessories

[dire viper]

the S54 engine in my car runs VERY hot be design

[deep sapphire]

if it were its own electric pumps or something yeah maybe

[dire viper]

yea they do electric pumps on newer cars

[deep sapphire]

modern AC compressors typically run on its own yeah

[dire viper]

BMW started doing it and engine oil related issues went down when it came to oil solidifying

[deep sapphire]

water pumps and oil pumps are still driven by the engine

[dire viper]

ppl would drive there cars like 30 seconds or super hard then instantly stop them

[deep sapphire]

okay anyways back to game

[dire viper]

which is no good

same

got side tracked in here for hours

[deep sapphire]

yeah

stop talking about CARS

[dire viper]

car brain rot

[deep sapphire]

I like to talk about CARS

but I wanna VIDEO GAME

[dire viper]

Vantage V550 is peak old british muscle car

well

muscle car that was the fastest car in the world in a straight line and around a track

there was also the special LM model that had an even higher top speed

just better aerodynamics and some chassis stuff iirc

[sly elk]

and toyotas?

[dire viper]

I kinda wanna buy the Hatsune Miku Goodsmile Racing bucket seat

they are made by Bride

[sly elk]

cuuute

[dire viper]

so they are actually good

I would rock one in my car

[sly elk]

but unless you have a 4 door car

nobody is ever gonna see it

well you DO have a convertible sooo

[dire viper]

I plan on going full fast and furious with my car

[sly elk]

also dw I may talk shit but I love your M3 🙂

[dire viper]

roll bar, buckets, harness

[sly elk]

I have a problem where when I see m3s now I think of you lol

[dire viper]

cringey japanese dragon wrap

supercharge it probably

[sly elk]

convertibles i'm like oh it's like that dude's car!

[dire viper]

if I supercharge I can push 400whp

[sly elk]

or OBS chevy trucks and Hank's truck xD

[dire viper]

on stock engine

the E46 is underappreciated I think

I kinda wanna make a good show car before I get rid of it

probably go full out with it, make something that stands out, find the right buyer and sell it and move onto a Porsche

[deep sapphire]

True

[sly elk]

hell yea

[deep sapphire]

A fine vehicle if I say so myself

[dire viper]

hank play ghosts of tsushima

[modest moss]

Hank get a vanity plate

C4TGRL

[deep sapphire]

Good idea

[sly elk]

Minnesota o_O

I thought Hank was from Ohio

what's next i'm gonna find out he doesn't own a chevy truck either?

[sly walrus]

you think milwaukee's in ohio?

[sly elk]

idk

[sly elk]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/6/24172866/iphone-apple-watch-hairline-crack-warranty

can't say i'm surprised

The guy at the Apple authorized store said it wasn't covered because it was cosmetic but that if I wanted it to be covered he'd recommend hitting it near the top of the screen lol
Play catch with the apple store guy and the iphone xD

[honest panther]

My laptop just randomly shut off at half charge while I just plugged it in. Do you think it short-circuited?

[sly elk]

idk, could just be the battery charge monitor was wrong about how much battery life you had

[honest panther]

when I plug it in to charge it doesn't even light up

[potent arrow]

0-0

[potent arrow]

what laptop do you have

[honest panther]

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GF63-i5-11400H-Windows-Aluminum/dp/B0B7D19CDC

[hazy frost]

Is it still covered by the Apple care thing atl

Or is it a complete fuck u

It’s a 5% a year additional for it so it’s something I’d pay for regardless if I bought a new phone

[honest panther]

what's the amd equivalent to GEForce experience

[sly elk]

i imagine it's covered by applecare+

but it's still like $130 to replace the screen

mmm

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G-Artanis-WL-White/dp/B092CGJ1S5 I think $116.41 is the cheapest I've seen the wireless g502x plus go

maybe it hit 99.99 at some point? but that's the lowest I recall seeing it so far

i kinda want the millennium falcon one XD

i don't neeeed it

in fact i've got too many mice as it is

[sharp star]

Nothing

[hazy frost]

Adrenalin is more similar to the new Nvidia app that combines GeForce experience and control panel

[sly elk]

yea adrenalin is nice because you can control fan speeds and voltages from it

basically everything except RGB

[hazy frost]

I don’t think I’ve touched the fan curve on my gpu in years anyway

The software I use most is afterburner

[sly elk]

tbh same because the fan curve on the gpu is usually pretty sane

the default fan controls on motherboards are bullshit though

[hazy frost]

True

But any modern gpu on stock profile is fine unless u tamper with clock speeds urself

Or u own that one biostar 6600xt that hit like 100°

[sly elk]

mmm melted plastic

[honest panther]

did some diagnosis my laptop's mobo is shot. Oh well, it was time to upgrade anyway

[honest panther]

Noted

[golden stream]

Damn, rip

I swear by lord Applesauce, Apple ain't listing features of their pen

Bought Apple Pencil usb-c, only to find out it ain't have pressure sensitivity and even buggy with art programs

Tfw Zagg pencil is samey but cheaper and no bug at all

[sharp star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfUcKJwbAFk

[tame tartan]

incredible thumbnail image

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/3IJ6iZZUbqU?si=r1P-m9BsxM6dC_MP

[kind rune]

phones have hairlines now?

[snow cypress]

want a 1440p monitor and was thinking of getting the 27GL83A-B. Wanted to know if it was worth it or if theres better options in the same price range

[hazy frost]

I’d look at the G2724D for IPS ones

If u don’t mind minor black smearing and play like a lot of more cinematic games the Q27G3XMN is also really good with the high contrast and reasonable HDR

I think the mag274qrf is still on sale too maybe

[real edge]

pins

[deep sapphire]

I have this monitor its kinda old now but its not bad

probably better options as said above

[paper tusk]

that sucks (sudden notebook deth)

[snow cypress]

from the pinned video my 2 options are the LG ultragear for $453 or the gigabyte M27Q for $380

[deep sapphire]

my friend from norway is at a car meet

told me that license plate is pretty old and was probably issued not long after WWII rofl

[hazy frost]

Where are u from

[snow cypress]

The US

[hazy frost]

m27q definitely isnt 380 then

are u only looking on amazon

g2724d is $180 rn id get that

direct from dell

[snow cypress]

the g2724d looks good

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/getting-a-dell-gaming-pc-dude-gif-14395733393982085552

[sly walrus]

i would not wish a dell on my worst enemy

[modest moss]

Dell monitors are great usually

[hazy frost]

Dell monitors and their laptops can be pretty good too

The dell precision laptops are pretty nice but pricey too

Dell seems to have quite a few official refurbished dealers here atl

I’ve had my s2721dgf for ages and it’s been great

[inland mauve]

just found out my fighting stick is broken

do y'all have any good recommendations?

[sly walrus]

i hear good things about qanba

[dreamy chasm]

dell monitors tend to be solid

well

[sly walrus]

but the last time i bought a stick, madcatz was still in business

[dreamy chasm]

most of my experience with them is buying 10+ year old IPS panels from liquidation companies that still work

[hazy frost]

Their old and new IPS panels are good

Technically if u count Alienware their OLED ones are good too

[sly elk]

The ones that are basically an xps are ok

The workstation ones suck

I mean the hardware is kinda fine but the chassis reminds me of a 400 dollar Walmart special

Idk if they’ve gotten better since the last time I used one lol

[hazy frost]

They seem good now

And the cooling and hardware is good

Staying quiet and having the performance required isn’t as common as I’d like anymore

[sly elk]

Well no it has to have an i9, a 4080. And be as thin as a MacBook

[deep sapphire]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/1dbac1e/customer_states_it_wont_go_out_of_drive/

how do you fuckin split the bellhousing in half

[dire viper]

like this

[deep sapphire]

BAHHAHAHA

thats legit fuckin hilarious

im saving that

[potent arrow]

holy fucking shit

did the dude land on a rock or something

how does that happen

[dire viper]

rock probably yea

[hazy frost]

mine is macbook pro weight and dimensions with a 6800h and 6600s and that gets too hot

idk why youd want more

[sly elk]

that was what I was joking about

[hazy frost]

Yes

It’s just insane people actually buy them

And then make fun of stuff like the MacBook Pro

As well

[deep sapphire]

and then they die after a year

because wow what a shocker metal expands and contracts and the shitty non leaded solder doesnt handle it well

(yes I know why we use non leaded solder)

[hazy frost]

Intel ones are also hilarious bc they get significantly hotter and have like 30% worse battery life than AMD sometimes

Truly incredible

Video playback was multiple hours lower for the Intel version of mine

[deep sapphire]

I think uuuuh whatever fuckin lake they are on improved that significantly

seriously can we stop naming them after lakes

its getting so confusing

they use to name them after like iconic locations around places

[hazy frost]

Even current ones suck

AMD just has way more efficient everything

And it doesn’t seem like that’s gonna change

It’s just unfortunate everyone still thinks AMD bad even tho half of them weren’t even aware of when they did actually suck

[deep sapphire]

I think intel is doing just fine

[hazy frost]

What cpu is in the zen book

[deep sapphire]

the new 155H

[hazy frost]

So they chose a worse cpu with a smaller battery and compared it

[deep sapphire]

sure

[hazy frost]

Tbf all 4 of those laptops are actually terrible anyway

[deep sapphire]

I dont think intel sucks anymore though, they have improved the e core efficiency quite a bit

and microsoft is finally fixing the scheduler

maybe

who fuckin knows you know what

fuck PCs

im buying a PS5

[hazy frost]

E cores are just lame when ur sacrificing P cores for them

When ur not doing that they’re good

Like going back to 8 from 10 cores on the i9 and adding E cores lmao

[deep sapphire]

thats the future we're heading in, apple, intel and qualcomm are all adopting that architecture

[hazy frost]

It doesn’t mean u should

[deep sapphire]

I think the problem is windows sucks ass at using them

[hazy frost]

E cores aren’t great for a number of things

[deep sapphire]

the whole point was to offload background tasks and low power applications to them

[hazy frost]

People who use VMs will cry

[deep sapphire]

but that hasnt been happening

it works perfectly fine on say iOS

[hazy frost]

Yeah but in any actually cpu intensive tasks like the ones you would actually BUY the high end CPUs for

It falls off

[deep sapphire]

well sure, thats what the P core are for, and multi threaded workloads are still a meme and hard to program for 20 years later

[hazy frost]

I’m not saying E cores are bad that’s like the first thing I said

I specifically said when ur going backwards on P core counts on ur new generation that is stupid

[deep sapphire]

I think they are bad actually

but im not an engineer

[hazy frost]

Because people who are buying a 13900k and actually need it probably would like to have their P cores back

But then the majority are gamers with too much money and too little sense

So

[deep sapphire]

I think they would rather have a CPU that doesnt degrade

[hazy frost]

I feel like even tho more people buy the 13900k more people who actually use it to it’s potential own the 7950x

The only people actually using the current gen i9 in their main workstation is for video editing

[deep sapphire]

the 13900K is for people who would rather buy intel. AMD has better product stack flat out

infact I wish I waited a month cause the 7800X3D wasnt out yet

if the e cores worked as advertised the architecture would be worth something

but it doesnt

this reminds me when windows 10 was terrible on first gen ryzen

because it had no idea how to manage the CCX design

and you had terrible memory latency

[hazy frost]

It wasn’t out until after I got my 7700x as well

Unfortunately

[deep sapphire]

took them years to fix it

[hazy frost]

I just wanted an 8 core cpu anyway

But would’ve rather had the 7800x3d

[hazy frost]

Well for video editing it’ll still win and quick sync is pretty cool

But that’s not a majority of people who buy consumer stuff for productivity either

AMD confirming 2027 support for am5 is cool anyway but I’m not sure how my mobo is gonna hold up then

[sly elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb0hzLJ6B8w little trip down memory lane XD

i used to have a cousin of that blue case

[deep sapphire]

Don’t emachines have a iMac clone lmao

Like super obvious clone

[sly elk]

they did and they got sued for it lol

i wanted one >>

[hazy frost]

I don’t understand people’s obsession with old iMacs still

[deep sapphire]

[sly elk]

ehh

i love the designs from that era

and tbh it wasn't just apple, the translucent blue/green/red stuff was EVERYWHERE

[hazy frost]

Yeah but what u gonna use it for

[sly elk]

you could even get surge protectors that matched

[hazy frost]

People buy a ton of these things and idk why

[sly elk]

it was aawwweesome

[hazy frost]

I like the translucent plastic designs on everything from that era

It looked good

[sly elk]

what the imacs?

[hazy frost]

Yes

[sly elk]

idk unless they have a wall of them lol

they look pretty

and they work fine for basic stuff like if you want a no distractions text editor rig

[hazy frost]

Buy a typewriter instead

Even better

[sly elk]

there are reasons i'll agree and disagree haha

it's hard to find an imac that doesn't have issues with the power supply or cracked plastic

i still prefer computers to typewriters though

[deep sapphire]

Yeah old brittle abs plastic

[cerulean talon]

This new discord bug is amazing, on desktop if you open someone's profile that's taller than your current window size, it throws the chat upwards and voids the bottom of the screen to display the profile. Amazing software, 10/10

[deep sapphire]

https://moparinsiders.com/dodge-hornet-falls-to-second-slowest-selling-car-in-america-for-june-2024/

this brand is such a joke

[spring raven]

that's one goofy looking car

[sly elk]

I know

if only they put a Toyota badg eon it

lol jk

I'm not sure what the problem with the hornet is, if it's price or the features or that the packaging is just bad

(like, too small)

I think ignoring all of that, it could be that they are targeting a group of people who will never ever buy a dodge

[deep sapphire]

its an italian made car by dodge

it didnt work out last time

[paper tusk]

part of it is bad marketing, and part of it is the shoddy quality control that's plaguing stellantis these days because of the crank em out attitude

[deep sapphire]

these days

[paper tusk]

they way it and chrysler are going both brands should just be mercy killed and peugeot reintroduced because it doesn't have the brand trash (and a decent ev portfolio)

[deep sapphire]

[paper tusk]

2019 pentastar refresh shits its head gaskets like mad

[deep sapphire]

Chrysler has never been known for quality in most of its existence

not as bad as AMC

but they ended up buying AMC

[sly elk]

and the absolutely horrid dealer network

and I'm not even specifically blaming the dealers

afaik the relationship between dealers and corporate is really poor

so you're way more likely to get treated like shit over warranty issues

or you get in a situation where technically your vehicle should be covered under warranty but stellantis refuses to approve the claim and the dealer won't pay for it themselves

honestly that's a 20+ year old problem

they just got around it by making cool stuff that convinced enough of us to buy it anyway lmao

[sly elk]

but also, in an era of high compression turbo everything with mild hybrids and electronic everything and software made by the cheapest bidder, it's not like owning a Jeep is a remarkably worse experience than owning a Ford 😛

Like maybe they've gotten better

but from what I gather the 2.7 ecoboost and whatever the I-4 ecoboost are, are shit

GM has their 3.6 LFX, which also has a very bad reputation mostly because of the 3.6 (LLT?) V6 that came before it lol

The Nissan Vq V6 has terrible gas mileage and performs worse than a pentastar v6 while getting worse gas mileage. The Honda V6 has a fucking timing belt in 2024 lol.

[deep sapphire]

the 3.6 was pretty shit for awhile

they finally fixed the timing chain tensioner issue

seems decent now

the 3.8 it replaced was the buick 3800

which was MUCH better

[sly elk]

hehe

I had another v6 in mind

oh the toyota v6

[deep sapphire]

probably one of the best engines ever made

toyota V6s have been hit and miss they had some stinkers

a lot of the ones in the 90s and 00s had oil burning issues if you werent on top of oil changes

[sly elk]

Toyota has issued a safety recall for more than 100,000 Tundra pickup trucks and Lexus LX600 SUVs in North America as a result of debris inside of the models’ V-6 engines left over from the machining process during production.

that V6

[deep sapphire]

oh yeah that one is total shit

[sly elk]

idk what to say about Toyota

I always hear Toyota this Toyota that

smug Rav4 owners talking about how stupid Jeep owners are

for not being enlightened and buying a rav4

I think the problem is Toyota is still high on their reputation for making solid 4 bangers

[deep sapphire]

Toyota isnt immune to the EPA

[sly elk]

Honda kinda sorta was for the same reason (when paired with a manual transmission)

[deep sapphire]

and the V8

[sly elk]

except ehhh

I think Honda has the same problem Mitsubishi does

kinda

and Subaru!

"It's Japanese, it has to be good"

[deep sapphire]

other than maybe exhaust manifold bolts (which is an issue on a lot of engines)

yeah that makes me laugh too

[sly elk]

erm "it's japanese like toyota"

[deep sapphire]

its like dude honda made so many bad cars are you blind or something

[sly elk]

yea I'm not going to say Honda is in the same realm as Jeep but

[deep sapphire]

infact if you had a V6 honda from the 90s to the late 00s and it had an automatic

[sly elk]

tbh

i think if I traded my jeep for a honda

[deep sapphire]

I almost guarantee you the transmission blew out

[sly elk]

i'd end up having more problems

[deep sapphire]

did you know the honda automatic transmission was literally just a manual transmission

rofl

it was so overcomplicated

[sly elk]

Hondas are notorious for bad paint and brake issues and transmission issues and their interiors are weird af ... and kinda cheap

i think most of the stuff about car brands comes down to who buys the damn things

and that's where I think things get really funny

idk about Nissan's actual reliability

[deep sapphire]

and their braking sensors that just slam on the brakes for no reason

[sly elk]

but I must commend them for making tremendously durable cars

I don't think a Honda could handle the amount of abuse your average Nissan deals with lmao

[paper tusk]

nissan went all in cvt's which aren't bad per se, but WILL go bad if you don't change the fluid and filter well before the suggestion

[deep sapphire]

thankfully not all of their vehicles have it

the trucks use the jatco 9 speed

[sly elk]

idk what else they have haha

[deep sapphire]

(which funnily enough isnt very good either)

[sly elk]

I am still a little weirded out at how hyundai/kia has this reputation atm

i think

[deep sapphire]

I think they have come a long way but they have some bugs to iron out

still a lot better than they use to be

south korea in general never had a very good track record on making cars

daiwoo (GM Korea) still sucks

[paper tusk]

hyundai/kia petrol engines still self destruct too often as a feature (bad oil path/spun bearings) assuming the vehicle attached to it doesn't get stolen

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/07/nx-s1-4996584/kia-telluride-recall-fire-risk

I don't know enough about hyundai/kia ev quality to comment

[sly elk]

yeaaa that

also a lot of their quality strikes me as

[paper tusk]

other than an isolated case of a dud main battery pack

[sly elk]

"make the interior as amazing as possible with as big a touchscreen as possible"

and then everything else? eh whatever

[paper tusk]

yeah

[deep sapphire]

a lot of cars are made in the deep south with minimum wage employees (remember the child thing)

but thats okay the internet told me they are the most american made cars!

[paper tusk]

oh I sure do

[deep sapphire]

I'll take my GM made by union workers thanks

[sly elk]

i remember seeing a stupid post in /r/idiotsincars where there was a crash and the hyundai like immediately went on fire in the engine bay

and someone was like

yea that happens with hyundai/kia more than any other brand

idk if I buy it. lol.

i have limited experience with toyotas but the ones I've driven always seemed solid as hell, but cheap as hell too

[deep sapphire]

I think Toyota as a whole is still the most consistent brand for quality

even if they miss their mark one thing that I like about them is they do take it seriously

[sly elk]

yea like 'feel cheap' isn't a bad thing if you ask me

I actually feel the opposite given the right case

like a $25k sedan? Yes I expect it to have a cheap interior. Duh.

WhenI see a $25k sedan with a nice interior I wonder what corners were cut

actually i kinda get that same vibe about the jeep grand cherokee right now lmao

they cut too many corners with their electrical engineers and just their electrical stuff in general, I think?

that's my vaguely educated guess?

make it look good but use crappy connectors and cheap wiring? idk? maybe i'm wrong?

i''m in an awkward spot with what might someday replace ze cadillac lol

my mom likes the look of the 2025 ford explorer x_X

[paper tusk]

I wish ford would get the explorer ev in NA already

EU is getting it now 😐

[sly elk]

i don't trust ford, i don't want an i4 ecoboom, the 6cyl is pretty expensive and only in the ST I think x_X and uh

uh

it's a cop car X_X

how exciting

better than a traverse i guess lol

also it hink it being 'murican' will be too high off the ground so it's probably not gonna happen anyway xD

hahaha te spray fuse

zOHN NO GASOLINE

[sly elk]

saw this on autopian and found it kinda interesting

[sly elk]

https://old.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1daybta/playing_a_game_and_looked_over_to_see_my_fan_on/

[dire viper]

Semi reasonable price

[hazy frost]

Semi? That just seems reasonable to me

They cost quite a lot more here as well

[dire viper]

rebuilt title

front end crash

[hazy frost]

That’s fine

They’re like £30k here

Which is what $35k usd

[sly elk]

ehh

I think I just discovered something worse than tesla fanboys

... windows fanboys

it's 2024

they still exist?!

[hazy frost]

What

I’m just an anti linux fan

More specifically arch users

[sly elk]

i was reading the comments on https://old.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1dbovce/theyre_making_it_really_hard_to_like_them/

[hazy frost]

Lol

Tbf all operating systems kinda suck I just use windows bc everything I do works on it

I’ve not used an OS I don’t have some issues with

[sly elk]

there's a difference between using windows and being a windows fanboy lol

hell you can like windows more than the other OSes and still not be a windows fanboy

[hazy frost]

True

I still think the worst fanboys are arch users

By far

[inland mauve]

bah I can find barely any fighting sticks in the usual webshops

[sly elk]

lol I've only met like 2 arch users ever

[inland mauve]

I'm probably not looking in the right place

[hazy frost]

No one wants to be known as one bc of the reputation fr

All the ones I actually see are pretentious and annoying

[sly elk]

there was the 'btw i use arch' meme on reddit

[hazy frost]

The linux user stereotype is literally just bc of arch users

They’re the only people who act like that

[sly elk]

nah i can assure you

there are some real assholes

[hazy frost]

or some guy who uses ubuntu

Bc that’s like 90% of linux users

[inland mauve]

how is the Hori Fighting Stick Alpha

[sly elk]

plenty of assholes haha

but they're assholes for reasons I can kinda understand

[hazy frost]

I still am convinced it’s arch users

[sly walrus]

not that familiar with hori

[sly elk]

windows fanboys are assholes for reasons that don't make sense

like

[hazy frost]

They’re the first to tell everyone to use linux bc it’s better

[sly walrus]

from my experience, you get what you pay for with sticks

[hazy frost]

And call everyone dumb

[sly elk]

being incredibly defensive of windows copilot

or microsoft accounts

[hazy frost]

Idk if u can even be a windows fanboy it’s just kind of people that don’t even know what they’re using but haven’t used anything else so they defend it

[sly elk]

or the amount of control and spying that windows bends over backwards to let companies do to its users

[hazy frost]

I hate windows 11 tbh

Worst OS ever

[hazy frost]

Tbh at this point it’s like

I have social media and my phone

I cba to try and keep my privacy

[inland mauve]

what would you recommend?

I had a small Hori fighting stick to learn how to play on a fighting stick but the stick broke

it can't do left properly anymore

[sly walrus]

honestly? i’d recommend building one yourself

[inland mauve]

how hard is that?

[sly walrus]

not that hard

[inland mauve]

where do I start?

[sly walrus]

not sure, it’s been a minute since i bought a stick

there’s tutorials online, but you’ll have to buy the parts yourself

[inland mauve]

this might be a bit too advanced for me

I'm trying to get into fighting games

like, really get into them, beyond just mashing buttons

[sly walrus]

stick isn’t necessarily better than controller

it’s just an alternative

[inland mauve]

yeah but I think I like stick better tbh

the stick I had wasn't very good and kind of small but it controlled very nicely

until the stick started acting up, anyway

I'll look into it, ty for the advice

[potent arrow]

I used to build hotbox clones I can teach ya

or just buy the cheaper ones I recced a while back

[sly elk]

the thing about social media is it only analyzes what you let it analyze. I mean facebook is pretty bad about their connector thingy on a lot of other websites, but you can easily block that

i guess by the same standard yeaaa technically you can beat windows into doing what you want via registry hacks and/or in this case "toggles" and

at least for now it's still overblown because the background AI spyin thing only happens if you have a specific pc using a specific processor

[hazy frost]

Yeah I just cba to go out of my way to be more private anymore

I don’t particularly like it but I also don’t rly care to the degree of what’s normal atm

I also won’t opt into anything that’s making it worse tho obviously

[sly elk]

I am too familiar with linux to feel confident recommending other people try it though xD For me something trivial might be someone else's deal breaker ya know?

I do feel a little defeated in a silly way because my gaming computer was supposed to run windows, like that was the whole point lol

i guess not entirely though. I just wanted to build a cool computer :3

[hazy frost]

Tbh I’d use linux more if stuff just worked and u didn’t have to worry about it

Bc too many games and some software just doesn’t work properly still

Even tho steam deck made it better

[sly elk]

it made it hella better xD

like before i wouldn't have even bothered

[hazy frost]

I have to use it more at some point to get used to it anyway so might dual boot something

[sly elk]

at the moment I'm able to satisfactorily play everything i was playing on windows in fedora 40 lol

[hazy frost]

Yeah it’s usable now but still like I cba to deal with any issues

[sly elk]

yea to me

[hazy frost]

And having to run a VM for stuff

Lol

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-gif-19935287

there's windows issues, and there's linux issues

they both have issues

[hazy frost]

Windows issues is it mostly being a bloated piece of shit

[sly elk]

and I find the windows issues more annoying to deal with lol

but the linux ones would probably piss you off real bad

ngl

[hazy frost]

I don’t enjoy any issues when they happen

But I haven’t had much to complain about recently

Windows error codes are terrible tho

[sly elk]

for example, on a fresh linux install (and I think it's true for any distro), the nvidia OEM drivers don't come with it.

it comes with a generic nvidia driver

[hazy frost]

‘It could be ur ram ur psu ur gpu ur cpu ur motherboard or something software related’

You’re welcome

Go fix it

[sly elk]

in fedora it's a like 5 step process to install the proper one

but once it's good. it's good?

i don't have to use geforce experience xD

[hazy frost]

Isn’t this true for windows still

It’s never the right one

[sly elk]

so tradeoff!

and geforce experience has a habit of installing a broken ass driver every few months

[hazy frost]

I never wanted to use it the only time I’m gonna use it is now it’s part of the new control panel app

[sly elk]

(which is why I never understood people trash talking AMD so much lol)

[hazy frost]

I just do it manually

Like a normal person

And I forget to do it for months tbh

[sly elk]

also because of reasons I still can't figure out

when I boot my computer my monitor goes to something like 3880x1080 instead of 7860x2160

[hazy frost]

I might be the only person I know who uses VS2022 and not VS code as well

[sly elk]

I thought it was just straight up using the wrong displayport mode or something but no, I can actually select it if I want

[hazy frost]

Lmao

[sly elk]

but turning the monitor off and back on identifies it correctly

so -shrug-

i start it up and then power cycle the monitor lol 😄

afaik it's not an unusual problem with this monitor with macos too

[hazy frost]

My monitor had a weird issue with my old gpu and apparently it was only gtx 10 series cards lol

My 1070 was having none of it

[sly elk]

the rest were niche things like I use an apple trackpad and i needed to do an about:config tweak to make the scroll speed tolerable in firefox

and uhh

i installed a couple gnome extensions to make gnome more tolerable

[hazy frost]

I have no actual applicable use for linux rn

I play games and don’t do much of anything else these days anyway

[sly elk]

but yea for me those were trivial af and I don't have windows annoying me with its windows-isms anymore

but yea?

I've been using posix-compatible OSes since i was like 12 so

i'm not going to go around crusading everyone to do this rofl

[hazy frost]

I used Ubuntu a few times and never had any desire to install it on anything I own again

I was going to use it on my old laptop bc it would shit itself running windows

But then it died

[sly elk]

but the experience with steam and proton? it's gotten good enough that if someone's comfy doing regedit hacks and getting annoyed with windows? I'd suggest they try a linux install lol

but also dual booting

i'd never recommend running linux on a random laptop and never on the same hd/ssd as a windows install

[hazy frost]

It’s still a pain that u have to do any workarounds just to have basic stuff I’d wanna do every day work

[sly elk]

most laptops are a fucking shitshow when it comes to how their firmware and acpi stuff is setup

like they barely support running windows

nevermind running linux lol

[hazy frost]

I wasn’t going to use it for anything else

Was going to try using it just for that

But then I ended up with it not working so I never tried

[sly elk]

hell my observation was that sometimes they technically only support the version of windows they shipped with

dell used to be like this, too!

[hazy frost]

I still have my vaio laptop

As well

Idk what version of windows that even came with

[sly elk]

(dell) alienware had a policy that if you bought a machine from them running windows 7, they'd only guarantee updates for windows 7 and windows 8?

[hazy frost]

Lol

[sly elk]

if it ran on windows 10, great! if it didn't, you were SOL

[hazy frost]

Dell continues to suck for most things

[sly elk]

they sure do lol

[sly elk]

my experience with a 2011 era Vaio F

was that running it with anything other than windows was a nightmare

it had some really stupid weird way of turning on the screen backlight lol

[hazy frost]

Getting it to run at all is a nightmare

[sly elk]

yeaa

[hazy frost]

I can’t get into any menus and it’s set so when it boots it tries to read a disk that isn’t there for 5 mins before doing anything else

And I can’t change it

It’s great

[sly elk]

eep

[hazy frost]

And it’s running 32 bit still iirc

[sly elk]

yea it's too bad because in the late 90s/early 00s when that bradn first started

it was so cool

they made some neat ass computers

[hazy frost]

Yeah

I used it for a while with it being like that lol

Wasn’t a great experience

[sly elk]

but i think they were only meant to run whatever they came with

[hazy frost]

Probably

[sly elk]

the cool shit they did was extremely proprietary

[hazy frost]

Sony can’t do anything good

In fairness I’ve never owned a laptop I don’t have multiple complaints about

[sly elk]

yea lol I had that vaio laptop for 11 months and sold it to buy a macbook air

never looked back!

[hazy frost]

I haven’t had a MacBook myself besides borrowing them

I want one just for the DAW but haven’t gotten one yet lol

My current laptop is my favourite I’ve owned by far but the lack of fan curve control annoys me

[sly elk]

every now and then you can get an m1 for $699 lol

of course then you fall into the trap of "is 8gb/256gb good enough?"

[hazy frost]

It is when I’m only using logic

[sly elk]

yep lol

that's pretty mcuh how i ended up buying an 8gb/512gb 15" air

[hazy frost]

I can get a used one for £450-500 here

Which is fine

[sly elk]

i wanted more storage, didn't feel like waiting 2 weeks and spending $300 more to get the version with 16gb ram

if i need more power i can use my desktops

[hazy frost]

MacOS is efficient enough for it to be usable anyway

It’s not like using win10 with 8GB lol

[inland mauve]

oh lmao I fixed my stick

I opened it up and carefully cleaned the inner workings of the stick

and the problem is gone now

[sly elk]

I run into multiple problems with scrum

the first is when you start a sprint and someone burns through their tickets and then just sits there twiddling their thumbs instead of finding more shit to do and/or pulling in new tickets

the second is when new problems/needs are discovered and nobody bothers to create tickets

[cerulean talon]

That isn't a scrum issue, that's an issue with the developer and/or pointing (Which auctually is a scrum issue)

[sly elk]

also when you get a team of people focused on 'earned value' and worried about 'velocity'

[cerulean talon]

This is just a problem in general xD

[sly elk]

and like

ahaha this dude names forecast and velocity right away

"You know you've done your job correctly when your developers never stop sprinting"

aaaand that's why I hate the term 'sprint'

honestly I hate it even more than master/slave and I don't like those

[cerulean talon]

Tbh, the issue I have with scrum/agile/etc is that it forces structure onto orgs that usually don't want it, so it exacerbates the issues when it should be solving them. Like, they're neat management ideas, but they're like the most business-minded way to solve the problem.

[sly elk]

"if it's not in jira did it really happen?!"

[cerulean talon]

Okay, this I kinda agree with tho.

[sly elk]

I think some of my cynicism with agile comes from dealing with making software for equipment developed by a vendor that pulled a "promise me bro"

(and then you find out it was all lies)

and suddenly your whole PI planning was a waste of time

[cerulean talon]

Heh "Defintion of Done"

[sly elk]

geez this dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b3t37SIyBs

[cerulean talon]

;.; I NEED THAT.

3 years? Damn, I wish I got that much life out of my UPS batteries.

We get like 6-12 mo tops.

[sly elk]

lol

i don't really think I would want several racks of servers but I would like a robust wired network

[cerulean talon]

I think I could get away with 1 rack total.

[sly elk]

one use case I could see for a 2nd rack is if you want to have your 'desktop' computers put away in a closet

and shit i could kinda sorta see that if I had a lot of money to burn and didn't give a shit about power usage

[cerulean talon]

Probally end up with 8-12u of storage, 3-4u of core switching/networking gear, then 10-12u of compute

[sly elk]

I'd just make every tv in the house connect to a computer

idk if it'd be an actual computer or a vm lol

having storage is nice, too

as it stands I have no network storage at all

[cerulean talon]

I'm having issues with mine for code storage :/

Windows NFS isn't locking properly, and shoving tiny files over smb sucks.

[sly elk]

y athat....

that's one thing....

I forgot about that....

[cerulean talon]

Yeah.

[sly elk]

nfs/smb make me wanna barf

[cerulean talon]

I was considering exporting like a massive iscsi lun tbh.

Yeah, dude's burning most of his RU's on disks.

[sly elk]

also what i really would like, I don't think exists

[cerulean talon]

No surprise, the front-facing 16's from SM are super cheap.

What's that?

[sly elk]

i want a photo/video catalog that anyone in the family can open from their computer that I can dump stuff into

every version of this, especially the cloud connected ones, is full of gotchas

in fact all of the cloud ones treat it differently like

if you have 4 people and they each have to have their own account

[cerulean talon]

So you dump in files, they can see them?

[sly elk]

you can have a "family" "shared" album sorta crap

but then the 'shared' stuff is a secondary citizen and doesn't show up on their phone or whatever

it sucks >>

[sly elk]

sure but it needs to have a good integrated picture/video viewer

this sounds laughably elementary

but for some reason I've never found a good setup with regards to software/server/cloud hahaha

[cerulean talon]

Tbh, I'd probally just host one of those dumb php photo galleries and do that.

Or if you want to do it on desktops, something like owncloud/etc. I've considered that, but my father just hooked directly into my NAS here, and that made it much simpler. xD

Unironically though, icloud family made that super easy for us as well, the only person not on it is my mother, and she just gets the pictures from dad.

Tbh, I'm sorta looking forwards to the next 5-10 years of storage development and if we can finally get rid of hard-drives for most home-large style storage arrays. They suck so much power, and SSD's are almost there in terms of price w/ QLC.

Until I really started to grow the storage array here, I really hadn't considered how much power HDD's draw over SSD's these days.

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/ilL0aKxWwjo?si=i3lh0zj3E_FalYK6 @deep sapphire the XLR is so wild

its an american Mercedes SLK but actually better cause it comes with a V8 and a better suspension setup

its so good looking too

https://youtu.be/6d7aRoYvYs0?si=xCW5Su5dwgN-iici @potent arrow

[opaque river]

hello, can anyone recommend an affordable pair of a microphone and wired earplugs to use on ps5 ? im just not feeling the overhead headset anymore

[deep sapphire]

Yeah sweet looking car

[deep sapphire]

Sorry not really familiar with the PS5 I would google it and add Reddit in the search result usually they are honest with suggestions

[cold yacht]

https://fixupx.com/megzavala/status/1800069761952629087?s=46

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

[opaque river]

hm okay, ty

[deep sapphire]

Lmao holy shit

[cold yacht]

Yeah adobe put out that they will use your saved work for their ai bullshit

So artists are canceling their adobe subs especially if it possibly violate NDA

[deep sapphire]

I’m so sick of big tech

[inland mauve]

I knew it, moderation purposes my ass

those assholes have been burning bridges for a while now, it was only a matter of time before their out of touch leadership made an astronomically stupid decision like that

[cold yacht]

Eh gonna be a bit

[inland mauve]

funny to see that the trend has been downward for a while

[cold yacht]

Wider industry it’s still the standard

[inland mauve]

yeah there is a lot of QoL in the Creative Suite, very integrated into workflows

[cold yacht]

Pretty much, the advantage of being able to go from light room to photoshop to after effects in one seamless matter

[hazy frost]

Isn’t that only for stuff saved on their cloud services or whatever

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/2HPszF7iwYw?si=LIS3kikMV7eq5iXZ

[paper tusk]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/gpu/farewell-nvidia-geforce-experience-you-were-a-terrible-app-and-i-hated-you-but-at-least-something-better-is-on-the-way

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/2vWh2kaeZkI?si=eJtRUecZ8B3lo6cs @sly elk

[sly elk]

idk about the SLK but the problem with the XLR is that GM totally abandoned it with regards to replacement parts

so like getting replacement tail lights is impossible

^ I guess it's not popular enough to have aftermarket tail light options, either

[drowsy star]

I sometimes wonder why apple does keynotes for the new OS

Could have just been an Email

But hey. iPads finally get a calculator app

[cold yacht]

Yep

[wide hill]

watching wwdc, so much AI announcements

[sly elk]

it's mostly stuff they kinda already did, just... more...

[wide hill]

and then i saw the announcing, "you can now send an ai image of your mother to your liking"
and i though, "oh no".

[sly elk]

o_O

ew

i didn't see that one haha

creepy

[wide hill]

it's also ironic they say
"you cannot trust the cloud to not store your private information, and you cannot trust that they say they won't store your info"
"but we don't do that, we do local processing"
"and instead, you can use our cloud computing! and we will NOT store your private information"

the best feature that i have seen on mac announced, is the iphone screen mirroring/control.
like, finally it is possible on iphone

i really hope it is not just available on their latest mac's

[hazy frost]

I think people are making it out to be worse than it is bc they don’t understand it’s only the cloud services but I’m not upset about it negatively impacting Adobe either

[wide hill]

i assume you would upload them to your "private cloud storage" in their service for your projects and when you do work, and when you are sharing to your co-workers.

[cold yacht]

Actually now I read it again it didn’t specify cloud at all

[wide hill]

yeah, "using the services and software"

[dire viper]

It died with 2008 didn’t it

[wide hill]

Licenses to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or improving the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free sublicensable, license, to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform, and translate the Content

[cold yacht]

It’s mainly adobe can access your work whenever

[dire viper]

A lot of cars got axed because of the 2008 collapse and so did their parts

[wide hill]

basically you are force-giving an automatic "MIT license"

[wide hill]

https://www.youtube.com/live/RXeOiIDNNek?t=4326
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[dense anvil]

Quick question since I'm looking for a budget upgrade: Is the Lenovo Legion 5 (with RTX 4060) worth it? I've heard mostly good things about it and it's a good budget for me before DT.

[hazy frost]

Do u mean desktop or laptop

And for what price

[dense anvil]

Laptop since I move around a lot. It's roughly $1.2k on sale currently and I am also eyeing the one with the 4070 for $1.5k

[hazy frost]

4070 one is probably better value

Both are kind of expensive

[dense anvil]

I think so too because it comes with 32gb of ram vs the 4060 one having 16gb

[hazy frost]

Yeah

[dense anvil]

Easy to change out rams but saves me some trouble

Those laptops are on the cheaper side than what's around me locally and online right now

[hazy frost]

Only complaint about legion stuff is still the fact u can’t change the fan curve

And the one they use is fairly aggressive so can be loud

The cooling itself is pretty good on most of them though

[cerulean talon]

Make 100% sure you can on whatever you get. RAM is generally not replacable/upgradable these days.

[hazy frost]

Generally not replaceable for craptops maybe but a lot of gaming ones have atl 1 stick not soldered

[cerulean talon]

Yeah, but as soon as you mis-match them, your perf goes in the can.

[hazy frost]

The HP ones are actually good value bc they’re cheap as hell for the 8GB ones and u can get another 8GB for like $40

[hazy frost]

Companies that do it normally have a way to find the correct product for ur model

[cerulean talon]

Yeh, i know.

But the statement of "Easy to change out" is no longer always true and shouldn't be considered the default.

[potent arrow]

there's third party programs for fan curves for legion laptops

[hazy frost]

I’d rather just get a 4070 and 32gb anyway bc it’s $300 now but u won’t want to upgrade as soon

[dense anvil]

The ram stick is exchangeable if it's a compatible size yes

[hazy frost]

Doesn’t work anymore

On new ones

I’ve tried to use it

[potent arrow]

seems to work on my laptop still : P

[hazy frost]

Which year is urs

[potent arrow]

and my friends laptop

[dense anvil]

I'm not too big on changing what I buy, I just focus on upkeep and making sure everything is going to last

[potent arrow]

mines 2019? his is 2022. It works on the my legion hand held too

[hazy frost]

Yeah my 2023 one doesn’t work

Unless there’s a new third party app u use

Which one

[potent arrow]

LegionFanControl v2

[hazy frost]

Yeah that doesn’t work for me

[potent arrow]

probably need to update bios or something, it's seemless for us

[hazy frost]

It seems on the supported models list it only went up to 2022 when I looked as well

They haven’t updated it in a while afaik tho

[dense anvil]

Thank you for the advice, validated my thoughts a little lol

[hazy frost]

Like I said pretty sure it’s just about the time they’re from

People with newer ones I know couldn’t get it to work even tho it was great a year or so ago

[potent arrow]

and what I'm saying is that check version bios version to compatible bios, usually that's what does it

[hazy frost]

What

Idk what ur referring to tbh

[potent arrow]

[hazy frost]

That doesn’t help

Ur description wasn’t good

[deep sapphire]

What kinda fuckin ridiculous tape measure is this

Might as well put my zodiac signs on there too

[cold yacht]

Feet inches mm?

[sly elk]

I like the extra markings

it suggests it's more precise than ye olde FATMAX

[potent arrow]

god that looks like it'll suck to use

[deep sapphire]

You don’t need them tbh they all have the ticks just count em

I find these obnoxious and too much information

As long as you know an inch has 16 ticks you can do the mental math pretty easily

[potent arrow]

I've used them so much at a glance I'm like EHHHH it's like that and a bit good enough

and usually it's enough tolerance LOL

[deep sapphire]

“Yeah that’s 5/8thsish”

[potent arrow]

LOL

[deep sapphire]

Also if you are doing precision you probably aren’t using a tape measure anyway

You’ll be doing decimals

Fractions are as Sarah put it basically good enough measurements

[potent arrow]

that's my point, tape measure is basically eyeball tolerance

[deep sapphire]

Which is how I explain it to metric system people

Fractions are stupid sure but for quick maths they make sense

You can calculate fractions in your head way easier than using raw numbers

[potent arrow]

I use a mallet if it's like a tad too long

[deep sapphire]

True

[potent arrow]

imagine a meter and like a cm

[deep sapphire]

you gotta take care of your guys

[potent arrow]

hayjqbwnhefn

god that bathroom

[deep sapphire]

LMAO

like nothing but a long corridor and a toilet

[potent arrow]

the expensive as bidet

but let's be real, that is the cleanest shop bathroom

I've ever seen

[deep sapphire]

Probably the funniest bathroom I ever used was in the army up north there is a base called camp ripley and they have these older shacks and one had a bathroom the fuckin toilet had the tank up near the ceiling with a pull cord

Like some WWII toilet

[potent arrow]

LOL

[deep sapphire]

True sometimes you aren’t sure if that’s just Lucas red and tacky grease or someone needs a colonoscopy

[potent arrow]

there's not even the orangepumic soap

that's in every fucking washroom

[deep sapphire]

That or the cherry one

And then the random bottle of dawn ultra

[potent arrow]

YEAH

wheeze

noooo

I can smell it

[deep sapphire]

You always got that guy that slaps on the gojo and immediately rinses off with water and then goes “wtf this shit does nothing”

[potent arrow]

sigghhhhhh

or the guy who doesn't rinse

and just blue shop towels it off

[deep sapphire]

Lmao little carb cleaner on the hands

[potent arrow]

ok listen

I do that with brake cleaner

[deep sapphire]

We’ve all done it but it’s not good for you Sarah