technology-discussion

[sly elk]

hahaha

i imagine they sit back for the games on the tv

[hazy frost]

too much monitor

[sly elk]

but the bottom sceren does look annoying to use

[hazy frost]

yeah

any long use will end in neck pain

[inland mauve]

I have a pretty good ultrawide now

[sly elk]

X_X I do ferquently have neck issues

[hazy frost]

i have a TV above my desk but its much higher up so my monitor is at a normal heigth

[sly elk]

i don't do the tv thing beacuse my desk goes up and down XD

and I actually do use it in the up position especially when working

not much this weekend though :3

[hazy frost]

my TV is like

42" 1080p

looks amazing

i have to be a few metres away for it to not look horrible anyway

[sly elk]

same lmao

the living room tv is an old 39" panasonic 1080p

[hazy frost]

i mostly use my monitor or laptop anyway

[sly elk]

we never use it

and yeep i have no reason to use it xD

in a way I think that making your desk too perfect is a fail

because thenyou never need/want to use anything else

like i have a laptop but i rarely use it because... why....

[hazy frost]

i have one just bc if im not home i like to be able to get stuff done

i r arely use it to play games or anything unless im like staying somewhere for a week or so and take it

[lost python]

i got big money. please anyone talk me out of upgrading my rig

[real edge]

invest your money instead

better

your rig is good enough

[inland mauve]

[modest moss]

What specs is your current rig?

[lost python]

5800x, 32gb ram, 6900xt

and my gf has a 3960x, 16gb ram and a 980

[modest moss]

Wait for 5090, build new rig, pass her your current build?

[lost python]

isnt that still over a year out?

[modest moss]

If you hadn't mentioned hers, I'd have agreed with Nhad about it being plenty good enough

[lost python]

but also nah its not good enough for my requirements

[modest moss]

I think it's maybe end of this year but not certain

What are 4090 prices like in Germany nowadays

[lost python]

1750€ for the cheapest available

[modest moss]

4080 super?

[lost python]

but my main issue is really that my CPU is struggling in games compared to like a 5700x3d
and my 6900xt is strulling with anything that isnt gaming

4080 super starts at 1040€ here

[modest moss]

Could go like 7800x3d and 4080 super

Anything less might not be a satisfying upgrade

[lost python]

maybe. part of me is thinking if i should just get a 5700x3d and give her my 5800x, because i already got an old board + ram and a 6700xt for her.
but another part of me is like "but you could go with a newer gen platform and give her your entire old rig"

[modest moss]

Is a 5700x3d really that much better than 5800x ?

[lost python]

in games? yeah. everything else? not really

[modest moss]

If it is, you might stretch the life of that rig to 5090 territory

5800x and 6700xt would be huge gains for your gf too

[lost python]

if they really come this year and arent plagued by the usual early-adopter issues like catching fire and stuff

[modest moss]

That'd be a crazy noticeable upgrade for her

[lost python]

ye for sure

that being said, i am still surprised that this 10-12 year old PC still holds up so well

[modest moss]

Apparently the latest rumours say q4 2024 for 5090

[lost python]

hmhm

[modest moss]

But we don't trust rumours too much of course

[real edge]

rob your rig is good enough

[modest moss]

It is, expect his gf's sucks and he has money

[lost python]

i have a 240hz monitor and i am gonna use the 240hz

[modest moss]

So he's in...

https://tenor.com/view/treat-yo-self-treat-your-self-parks-and-rec-parks-and-recreation-retta-gif-5540972

Territory

[dreamy chasm]

microcenter might've had a deal on the 5700x3d

recently

idr

actually nvm

[modest moss]

Rob is in Germany

[dreamy chasm]

I forgot rob wasn't in the states

yeah

[lost python]

yeah

[dreamy chasm]

oops

im not in the US either

[lost python]

but we got mindfactory who often have banger deals. just not this week unfortunately

[dreamy chasm]

but so many of the people ask for advice live there so I just default to it mentally

[modest moss]

We all suffer from no microcenter

[dreamy chasm]

I know someone who made a 4 hour drive just to get some parts

[lost python]

oh

[dreamy chasm]

honestly

with some of their deals

[lost python]

today they got a 7800x3d for 319€

[modest moss]

Probably worth the day trip

[dreamy chasm]

yeah

[real edge]

new gen stuff will come out soon

just wait a few months to a year to upgrade

[dreamy chasm]

ngl

telling someone to wait a year to upgrade is

kind of

[modest moss]

You could buy board/CPU/ram now, upgrade GPU when 5090 drops

[real edge]

I waited for a very long time to upgrade my 1070 lol

[lost python]

in a year from now, there will be refreshes releasing soon

[lost python]

probably yeah
honestly i think most of my money would probably go to SSDs because i finally want to have enough space

[modest moss]

It sounds like 5090 is worth waiting for

[dreamy chasm]

rob getting their SO a better rig with some of the old parts is also something motivating them rn, nhadala

[real edge]

the concern for me with that plan is

the 7800x3d cannot even max out a 4090

no chance it maxes out a 5090

on some more cpu bound titles

[lost python]

well, given that i dont plan to play at 1080p and i certainly dont plan to play with DLSS/framegen, i think that wont be too much of an issue

[dreamy chasm]

you get a 5090 so you can say fuck you and hit the ultra preset on gpu bound stuff

some bottlenecking with cpu bound stuff is expected, idk

[modest moss]

Girlfriend would end up with 5800x and 6700xt and get the 6900 later, that's pretty sweet for her

[real edge]

feels like CPUs are falling behind GPUs in terms of progression

[lost python]

i think the 4090 was just a unicorn like the 1080ti was

[dreamy chasm]

the 7800x3d's an insane cpu right now, the chances of it being too obsolete to reasonably run a top of the line card in a year's probably next to slim

lol

[real edge]

for me personally, waiting was worth it

[dreamy chasm]

rob's situation is different

their partner's on a 10 year old rig

[lost python]

well you really waited for a long long time and your requirements are pretty different from mine. like, you were completely fine with running games at low-med settings with good FPS, but i want stuff maxed out, without having to rely on upscaling, and still hit 100+ fps

and since my 6900xt sucks for pretty much everything that isnt gaming, it has to go either way

[dreamy chasm]

giving your partner a rig that isn't about to collapse on itself's probably a pretty good motivator to upgrade at least the cpu either way

[real edge]

there are rumors of a new AMD gen soon

[dreamy chasm]

rumors, nhadala

I think you're missing the point here

[lost python]

well CPU gen is coming that much is clear. GPU gen is just supposed to be a refresh from the current gen, that fixes a lot of its issues

but i guess it will primarily depend on how much longer she wants to hold out for this.
or maybe i get lucky and find a good deal on a 5700x3d or similar

[real edge]

getting a 5700x3d on a good sale

is a good idea

a cheap stopgap

[lost python]

recently someone sold a 5800x3d in the forum i am in, for 190€

[real edge]

that maxes out anything until the 4090

[dreamy chasm]

I did get a 5700x3d on sale recently

everything running significantly smoother was a welcome surprise

[real edge]

my thoughts would be to get a 5700x3d and sell the 6900xt to get a 4070super where they both cost the same(ish), use that until new amd and nvidia stuff comes out, shell out tons of money to get the best of then and give the 5700x3d and 4070super grid to the GF

at least that is what my cost saving self and the current tech situation tells me

that way you give gf new cpu with the 6700xt and then something amazing in a few months

and you get away from AMD GPU

[dreamy chasm]

ill be honest

unless the 6900xt is brand spanking new and is under a return window

[dreamy chasm]

I doubt rob's getting 4070 super money with that

[lost python]

close. 6900xt goes for like 400-500€ here depending on the model

[dreamy chasm]

used?

[lost python]

4070 super is out of the question either way though because of the limited vram

[dreamy chasm]

are you looking at sold listings

[lost python]

ye

[dreamy chasm]

that too

idk if i buy the whole

12gb being great for high res

[real edge]

it will only be for a few months anyway from the looks of it

the 4070ti super is too expensive to be used as a temporary replacement I think

[dreamy chasm]

i think

gpu sidegrades are more trouble than its actually worth

[real edge]

its like 800euro

ye I am only suggesting it cause he said he wants to get away from amd

[dreamy chasm]

ah, right

[real edge]

I just think the current tech landscape is a bit too sketch to splurge 2000+ on new pc

but there are temporary ways to achieve the goal of getting away from AMD and giving GF new pc parts

until the market becomes unsketched and new stuff comes out

that is my opinion anyway

[dreamy chasm]

Depends on how important the non-gaming stuff is

[real edge]

personally I am happy with my 5800x3d(upgraded from 2700x) and 4080super (upgraded from 1070)

[hazy frost]

Short of 4K it is

Ur not actually going to use 12GB at 1440p

The only time I’ve managed to allocate not even use 11.8 was with path tracing in specific areas in cyberpunk

Also AMD vs Nvidia vram usage is actually different bc of how they do compression

Can be different by anywhere from like 0.5gb to 3/4GB depending on what res and game

People are way too worried about vram when I’m terms of gaming the reality is ur card will probably stop performing well before u run into memory limitations

If ur using it for something where u actually need the memory the likelihood is u need more than 12 or 16 and have to go for a used 3090 or something

[lost python]

people have been spouting this nonsense about vram for ages and at this point it really just sounds like a massive cope from nvidia fans. Every year the "x GB are more than enough" increases by 1-2 gb.
there are more and more games hitting well over 10gb vram even at 1440p, especially if you dont use DLSS & co and i am surely not gonna go with "just enough" just because the list of games that want more than that is rather small right now.

[deep sapphire]

cope with what

[sly walrus]

so you're saying i should get something better than my 3070

[lost python]

if you need it, yes ofc

[modest moss]

My 3070ti is still doing okay for anything that isn't horribly optimised at 1440p

Tlou was horrid though

[paper tusk]

for computex yeah (and a new chipset X850)

skipping 750 because number reasons

performance boost will only be about 10%

memory controller will get the most gain (6400 mhz will be the new normal finally)

[thin mantle]

my rx 5700xt is chugging along at a cool 100c

and can play most games at 1440p 😌

got the old original blower fan version though

nowadays you'd go for the latest gen and get those dual fan setups

[hazy frost]

Lol it’s not just enough and as I said compression is different so going AMD isn’t actually 4GB more for a 16gb card in practice it can be more like 2gb more

It’s not coping it’s a fact

12GB is also not ‘just enough’ anyway current gen consoles are still around for a while which effectively run on the same amount and games are designed for them first

[lost python]

sure thats why the 3080 struggled so hard when hitting the vram limit compared to the 6700xt or 6800xt, because of different compression

[hazy frost]

If ur worried about not enough then it’s likely that 12 and 16 both won’t be enough by the time it increases

Trying to futureproof ur purchases is a sure fire way to make u lose now and in the future tbh

Bc it’s not possible

[sly elk]

Better go get a 14900k

[cerulean talon]

Both my 14900ks and my 14700k have bad cores, it's great. xD

I'm probally gonna wait for the 4xx4 epycs to come out though and just build a new rig around one of em.

[hazy frost]

If anything would get the 13900k tbh

And just spend the rest on a loop and OC

Atl then u can get something out of it

9800x3d will go crazy

[cerulean talon]

By the time the 4004's are out, it'll be time to rebuild this PC anyway.

[hazy frost]

I’ve been thinking I’d get a 7900x or something just for the extra cores and they’re not too expensive

But it depends on whether I buy a MacBook to use a DAW instead

As Logic Pro x is just the best one

[cerulean talon]

I still can't use a mac as a DD, the keyboard mappings are annoying af.

[hazy frost]

The only daw I like is MacOS only

And I’d like to be able to take it places anyway

To record with friends

[cerulean talon]

Not surprising, Apple's done a decent job of building a good suite of tools for creatives.

[hazy frost]

Yeah

GarageBand is amazing for being free

Miles above anything free on windows

Logic Pro X is imo just the best daw in general but it’s like $250

[cerulean talon]

I'd seriously consider using a mac more if they just stopped being incredibly dumb and gave me a windows/linux-like key profile.

[hazy frost]

I’m not too bothered by the keys

I hate the old Mac mouse tho

I had to use one for a while

[cerulean talon]

I'm a completely memory/touch typist, so sending back and forth between my mac for work, and my linux/windows desktops causes me issues. xD

[hazy frost]

That’s fair

[cerulean talon]

Even with some of the janky rebinding I've done, I still cause all sorts of issues in iterm/etc.

[hazy frost]

I use like my full size keyboard for desktop and my laptop keyboard which is slightly off every day and then I used to have an ANSI keyboard too

So it was always slightly different and I’d make typos

But I end up getting used to it after a few months if I use them all enough

[cerulean talon]

I use the same physical keyboard for all my machines, so it turns out to be extra frustrating.

[hazy frost]

I cba to take a 100% keyboard with my laptop lmao

If I had a 60% I’d be inclined to

But i need atl 75% to be comfortable anyway

[cerulean talon]

I run an 80 at home, and carry a 60 if I'm out of the house.

[hazy frost]

My laptop keyboard isn’t all that bad besides the slightly hollow feeling in one spot

Which is to be expected

But Lenovo keyboards are generally always ok tbf

I’ve never hated one

[cerulean talon]

Yeh, my current laptop is a framework, so it's decent-ish-enough.

I can't stand the keyboard in the mbp for work though, so any travel with that thing always has an external in my bag if I expect to do anything more than 5-10 minutes on it.

[hazy frost]

Lol

Idm that one actually

I like the Apple keyboards in general

But it also means I can have long nails and use them easily so I am biased

There’s not too many good low profile keyboards anyway

[cerulean talon]

I've got super heavy finger-falls, so they feel bad in general.

[hazy frost]

And the mechanical ones cost a lot more than I wanna pay

[cerulean talon]

They're super fine if you're a light typist, I absolutely am not one of them.

[hazy frost]

When I have nails like I can’t rly use normal ones

Bc in the way

Otherwise I wouldn’t like them

[cerulean talon]

That thankfully, for me is not a problem. xD

[hazy frost]

Lol

It’s normally not for me bc I like being able to play instruments but sometimes I will

It also costs too much now lmao

[cerulean talon]

Understandable. I like to keep mine super short because I'm less likely to crack one doing something silly my nails aren't meant to handle.

[hazy frost]

Yeah

Well I don’t have my natural ones super long usually

I’ll get them done but recently I’ve considered press ons instead bc I hate being committed to them for so long

When I wanna go back to doing other stuff

Conflicting

[cerulean talon]

Normal ones are what? UV cured on right?

Well, normal-non-natural.

[hazy frost]

Something like that

Yeah

[cerulean talon]

Yeh, I could see that being annoying.

[hazy frost]

So like they’re nicer but if I wanna play instruments or had to work on the car or whatever they’re like in the way suddenly

[cerulean talon]

Makes sense why that'd be annoying.

[hazy frost]

Are SSDs getting more expensive again

[cerulean talon]

Depends on the vendor, samsung's up a bit at the moment.

[hazy frost]

I got my P5P for like £105 and now I can get like an nm620 at best for that

2TB

[hazy frost]

Samsungs always up despite being mediocre

[cerulean talon]

They were fine in the high end SSD/NVMe consumer-grade for awhile, but they've taken a pretty good plummet.

[hazy frost]

They just have nothing exceptional now

[cerulean talon]

Not in the consumer lines, no.

[hazy frost]

While other companies have the same stuff cheaper

[cerulean talon]

Everyone caught up to them.

[hazy frost]

Doesn’t WD have better enterprise stuff

[cerulean talon]

Phison was a big part of that afaik, as they've made some bangin controller for current gen.

[cerulean talon]

Intel makes the top-tier enterprise gear, samsung isn't far behind as they route most of their nicer chips there. I'm talking SAS+ here btw.

[hazy frost]

I see

I don’t have anything to do with that stuff rly bc I don’t need to

So I’m never caught up with it

[cerulean talon]

If yuou want a SSD that can auctually handle real write loads, you get an intel-dc drive.

[hazy frost]

What speeds are those now

[cerulean talon]

DC SSD's are built for iops for random-read, not for large linear reads fo their xfer/second is slow-ish.

[hazy frost]

Yeah

What speeds are they tho

For current ones

[cerulean talon]

The ones kupo lives on now are 2.6Gbyte/second but 450k rr iops and 50k write iops: , and this was an old pcie 3.0: https://www.disctech.com/Intel-SSDPE2ME016T401-1600GB-PCIe-SSD

[hazy frost]

Linear speeds are fine on consumer stuff

[cerulean talon]

Yeah.

[hazy frost]

PCIe 5 isn’t slow

At all

Random speeds are just not it

[cerulean talon]

No, the difference is the data access patterns ofc.

Also, PCIe5 has semi-limited deployment in DC's still

So most of the gear you find is 3/4 still.

[hazy frost]

I mean if u had to choose between enterprise stuff and PCIe 5 when they’re the same price PCIe 5 sucks in general

Idk who’s buying it

Has virtually no use that I know of

[cerulean talon]

I do, but I have large random iops loads. xD

Oh, you mean PCIe5?

[hazy frost]

Yeah

Idk why anyone would use it atm

The price makes it look even worse

[cerulean talon]

PCIe5 is weird atm, because most consumer-grade boards don't offer enough lanes off the processor to run both a x4 NVMe and your 16x at full lane counts.

[hazy frost]

Yeah

[cerulean talon]

So they tend to cut down the 16x to an 8x and then use the 8 lanes to run your 4x nvme.

[hazy frost]

U have to pay a lot just for that

I have a $450 x670e that wouldn’t do it

[cerulean talon]

I toyed with it for awhile, there's some use cases I have that benefit nicely from it, particulalry dealing with small files when I'm developing on my desktop.

[hazy frost]

Tbf I also have an asus board so it sucks and just costs too much

I ofc didn’t pay 450

[hazy frost]

How would u benefit over the fastest gen 4 drives rn

[cerulean talon]

My current kupo-related project could use more iops, but that's nothing new.

[cerulean talon]

I tend to work on projects that write extremely large numbers of small files as debugging/etc. The improvement is marginal in general, and I mostly got my gen5 as a play-drive, as serious gets pushed to one of my epycs.

[hazy frost]

I see

Yeah it’s just like it’s 3 times the price rn as well

[cerulean talon]

I don't think it's that bad here.

[hazy frost]

So that difference is like insane per $

I got the P5P for £105 and at the time I checked gen 5 was like 300

[cerulean talon]

Yeah, a t700 is only ~20-30$ more at the moment.

[hazy frost]

It’s probably better now actually

[cerulean talon]

I was kinda hoping that we'd auctually use directstorage, as that's what I really wanted to play with, but gamedeveloperslol.

[hazy frost]

I kind of want to just buy some old hard drives for my media storage but I’m pretty sure I’d get annoyed by the noise again

[hazy frost]

Direct storage is the future

[cerulean talon]

Not for me personally, but for gaming, yeah.

[hazy frost]

It’ll get picked up for game dev when the new console gens come out

Hopefully

[cerulean talon]

The ability to stream from a fast disk into a chunk of vram will be super nice.

[hazy frost]

Yeah

Direct storage and real time lighting with RT but better is the future imo

[cerulean talon]

There was that wild GPU that did that already.

I can't recall which one tho.

[hazy frost]

Just need consumer hardware to catch up

To be affordable

But I think that isn’t far off really

[cerulean talon]

Depends on where you live ig. From my understanding, storage is much more expensive in the EU than the US every time I hear about it.

[hazy frost]

Yeah I live in the UK

Which is pretty much same as rest of Europe

Prices aren’t amazing on anything

Especially compared to the US

[cerulean talon]

Yeh, I just snagged a SN770 2Tb for 140 USD, Sabrent R4P 1Tb for 120 and a R4P 2Tb for 220

[hazy frost]

But the US is as good as it gets for hardware deals

[cerulean talon]

Sounds like it's much more absurd over there. xD

[hazy frost]

I got my P5P 2TB for £105 and I have like a wd blue or smth I bought ages ago for £100

But there were a lot of deals when I buy stuff

It’s around £150 for soemthing like that rn

[cerulean talon]

Hard-drives are my current pain in the rear, but that's kinda how it be right now.

[hazy frost]

I just have a thing about noise

I try and make everything silent so hard drives are like

A pain

I’d have to have them in another room lmao

[cerulean talon]

Yeah, that's not an option in my house. xD

My computing area is loud, but the new drives will be going into a machine in my loft, because /that's/ too loud even for me down here.

[hazy frost]

My biggest wish is for an AIO with an actually quiet pump

So I can get better than my air cooler and quieter

[cerulean talon]

The eiswolf's are pretty quiet ime.

[hazy frost]

I was thinking about just getting like an LT720

But I heard mixed opinions about pump noise

The performance per £ was good tho

[cerulean talon]

Understandable. The eiswolf was my roomie's choice because of how often we change hardware. xD

[hazy frost]

My PA120SE is alright but the fans aren’t even that quiet

I might buy some nf a12s or t30s

[cerulean talon]

No stock fans are tbh.

[hazy frost]

I prefer having RGB fans bc I can choose to have it on or off depending on what I feel like doing

Which conflicts with my hatred for noise

[cerulean talon]

Said roomie opted to get the A14's and slapped 6 of them on each rad xD

[hazy frost]

I was considering getting those phanteks halo things

[cerulean talon]

Those things are insane.

[hazy frost]

And the t30s

[cerulean talon]

Tbh, just get some silent fans and wrap em in LED tape.

[hazy frost]

Yeah

The halos do that kind of thing

[cerulean talon]

It'll connect fine to your board headers.

[hazy frost]

I have the EK RGB ones for intake

Waiting to get the p12 max FDB for exhaust

Not sold yet

[sly elk]

you don't even have to do that

[hazy frost]

The options for RGB fans suck

Tbh

[sly elk]

https://www.phanteks.com/Halos.html

[hazy frost]

Yes

Those

But they don’t look too amazing tbh

[sly elk]

you can pop those on some hideous ass noctua fans

[cerulean talon]

They look expensive af.

[sly elk]

but I'm extremely cynical about noctua

[cerulean talon]

I'll stick to "if I want LED's, I'll jam in some random LED tape I've got around the house" xD

[sly elk]

I think it's all hogwash to get you to spend a ton of money for a marginal improvement

[cerulean talon]

I kinda like their high power fans tbh.

[hazy frost]

£10

[cerulean talon]

Yeah, I'd consider that expensive for what they are.

[hazy frost]

Only have like 2 good fans

And the fact they’re slim fans are what makes them popular

Good for SFF too

T30s are on the other end being the best of the best but 30mm thick

[sly elk]

i just never drank the koolaid lol

I bought a noctua fan once

it was fine

[hazy frost]

My fans are stock NZXT one stock PA120 one and EK ones

For now

[sly elk]

i felt like the packaging with all the adapters was kinda wasteful

[cerulean talon]

Most of my gear doesn't get fans, but I don't mind running most of it warm.

[sly elk]

lol

[hazy frost]

EK fans are actually great but EK sucks so I can’t buy more

Lmao

[sly elk]

i used these in my sim rig and I was quite pleased for the price hahaha

[cerulean talon]

And the servers get whatever random fans fit.

[sly elk]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BKK2MBWG

[cerulean talon]

xD

[hazy frost]

Those are what I got on the PA120SE and they’re horrible

[sly elk]

like are noctuas better? absolutely!

[hazy frost]

I hate them

[sly elk]

hmm?

[hazy frost]

They’re good if u don’t care about noise that much

But they for sure aren’t quiet

But they’re cheap so u get what u pay for

[cerulean talon]

I'd also guess it depends on your ambient noise level.

[hazy frost]

I think best value fans now are the new p12 max

The new FDB solves their prior issues with weird noises

And they always performed well

[sly elk]

i mean sure

[cerulean talon]

My livingroom/computing area is loud enough normally that most fans that aren't /loud/ are borderline silent in the noise floor.

[hazy frost]

I only stay away from the DBB ones bc of bearing noise

[sly elk]

at least those p12 max are still cheap

[cerulean talon]

The a14's are really the only problematic fans. 😄

[hazy frost]

Lol

There’s basically no good fans tbh

[sly elk]

and then there's these

[cerulean talon]

Blaaaah, I need to get unlazy and start this parser.

[hazy frost]

There’s t30s and gentle typhoons but u can’t even get the latter half the time

The only overpriced gamer fans I’ll accept are the lian li AL120 bc they’re actually GOOD

The Corsair ones are more expensive and suck

[sly elk]

from icehunter's posts about them I'd never ever buy them

ever

[cerulean talon]

My next house is likely going to end up with a giga custom water-cooling system, I can't even call it a loop with what I'm planning.

[hazy frost]

I’ll do a loop when I can afford a xx90 card

Not buying a block for like a 4070ti or whatever I upgrade to soon

[sly elk]

my favorite fans are still corsair MLs lol

[cerulean talon]

My rough designs also have to service my server farm.

Which is why it's hard to call it a loop. xD

[hazy frost]

Lol

[sly elk]

at least the regular ones aren't that expensive

[hazy frost]

They’re still terrible

[sly elk]

ehh

[hazy frost]

Loud and perform badly

[sly elk]

really?

[hazy frost]

The tl-c12c performs better

For cheaper

[sly elk]

I suddenly

don't believe you at all XD

[hazy frost]

I mean u can not believe me but they suck

[sly elk]

so the thermalright are the worst things you've ever used

but still better than corsair MLs

[hazy frost]

They’re old and weren’t the best even back then

[sly elk]

oh yea theyer' ancient

[hazy frost]

Yes bc I don’t use the MLs bc they’re even worse

[sly elk]

they'er just sunons with LEDsl ol

[hazy frost]

The Thermalright ones are the worst ones I’ve actually used bc it came with my cooler

[sly elk]

sooo

you've never even used them

lol 😄

[hazy frost]

I’ve had them but not used them

Bc I wouldn’t want to

I mean I don’t want to use my Thermalright ones but I have no spare fans

[sly elk]

those p12 max are $10 a piece

[hazy frost]

And have solved this by having them run at 500rpm permanently

[sly elk]

what excuse do you have for not using them if you think they'er the best

[hazy frost]

The DBB or FDB ones

[sly elk]

lol

[hazy frost]

The FDB ones aren’t sold here

[sly elk]

also FDB is the worst -_-

when the fluid leaks out

[hazy frost]

Uhh sure

Just don’t have the fluid leak out lol

It means there’s less bearing noise especially on cheaper fans

P12 max is best value anyway not best fan

What i actually own for 140mms is EK loop FPT fans

And for my cooler I’m probably getting t30s/p28s/NF A12s

[sly elk]

I want to hear more about what you think are the best fans for case fans 🙂

Also is that a minty pt cruiser I see 😮

[hazy frost]

Best value is probably the new p12 max or the old ones if they can like have good QC or u get lucky and have no bearing noise

Best in general for anything is always gonna be like t30s

Best on a rad and as case fans

Atl for consumer stuff

But t30s were developed with sunon so that’s why they’re way better than other ‘gamer’ consumer companies’ fans

[sly elk]

hmmm

but sunon made maglev fans

that is... it doesn't even say what it is lol

nvm i'm an idiot that can't read

magnetic levitated DUAL VAPO bearing

[hazy frost]

Sunon is a big name for industry stuff

It’s like noctua is actually only super well known bc they do the same thing

Their consumer marketed stuff is actually mostly terrible

Sunon is the reason the T30 is good

Somehow lian li also made the p28 which is also as good but more expensive and apparently had weird bearing noises too

There’s also stuff like the gentle typhoon and it’s various Chinese clones that are the same thing

But finding those at the price they’re worth is actually a pain so I cba to buy them

[modest moss]

or just use Arctic fans because they're decent and cheap

[wraith agate]

Arctic user here, they're good

[hard drift]

@deep sapphire what a great memory

[dire viper]

Milwaukee is so based

I watched a guy change tires on dump trunks all day using one of the super large pneumatic impacts they make and that thing ran like clockwork

[deep sapphire]

LMAO

[sly elk]

idk why but

v

for some reason the dewalt thing reminds me of that

[deep sapphire]

That’s my favorite meme LOOOOL

Mai tai out of Dexcool and fought a dog

[sly elk]

i'm sad it's not real

in an alternate universe there's a slightly more ridiculous version of scotty that really does this shit

[hazy frost]

That was the first thing I said for value options

But the DBB ones have had bad QC and bearing noise as an issue that’s too common imo

Hence why I will always shill the new FDB ones

For the max fans anyway

The regular ones are ok now but they’re not great in performance either the tl-c12c is probably better than those

[inland mauve]

dracula flow?

[sly elk]

lol

[zealous wolf]

deepcool fans sound better tbh

despite their prices

[hazy frost]

It’s about having noise levels and performance tho

U can easily have a basically silent fan but it won’t be great at actually moving air usually

The cooler master ones are also good for RGB fans

[sly elk]

https://old.reddit.com/r/battlestations/comments/1d28i3c/what_we_thinkin/

i like hwo they use the color critical shield ... and a screen bar light lmao

[dreamy chasm]

I bought a pack of arctics because I'm a cheap bitch

They work well enough

Only really become a problem when I try to record audio

But turning off my case fans and keeping my cpu fan on the lowest rpm solves that problem

fancontrol my beloved..

[hazy frost]

That’s my solution currently to noise but I would also like to cool my cpu properly without it being loud

So I’ll probably replace the Thermalright ones

[inland mauve]

do any of y'all have experience with streaming to both Twitch and Youtube at the same time?

[cerulean talon]

I did a little bit at one point, ran a small stream splitter on a box I had outside the house w/ an auctually fast connection so I didn't saturate my upload at the time.

[dire viper]

@deep sapphire what brand of creepers/shop stools do you stick with

My new job is post trip inspections on garbage trucks and I’m buying a harbor freight creeper for now but I’ll probably need something actually nice for long term

I get two weeks of training and then I get transferred down south and will be running a whole yard by myself lol

[deep sapphire]

Whatever is on sale lmao

[dire viper]

So real

Creeper in the M3 fo today

[wise hatch]

@dense temple that reminds me, so I know how intel CPU naming scheme works but how does AMD do it ?

[dense temple]

4 numbers, 1 is gen, 2 is CPU tier (3, 5, 7, 8, 9), last two I can't recall off the top of my head

[wise hatch]

and the number before that works the same way as the iX in intel right ?

[dense temple]

basically give or take

[sly elk]

did ya watch the project farm video on those

iirc the daytona did well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QSQ9Qz202M

[hard drift]

3rd number is architecture so zen 1-5 or whatever and the 4th is either a 5 or a 0, 5 being better performance

In theory you could have a 8915x for example based on their naming scheme and it will be worse than a newer one because it’s using zen 1 in this case

[deep sapphire]

AMD's mobile sku naming is so bad

[hard drift]

I mean all of the naming schemes are bad

Atleast it’s not monitor naming bad 😭

[sly elk]

intel's is a little better than amd's in a way

but not by much lol

I hate the way they both do chipsets

and then the whole xeon silver/gold thing

[cerulean talon]

AMD's is fine in general, intel rolled back around on their numbering though didn't they?

[sly elk]

LOL

[cerulean talon]

Epyc's are hilariously bad

Xeons aren't much better than epycs though, given how many weird branches they've got.

[sly elk]

mhmm

also i heard amd is doing new chipsets for next gen desktop ryzen

not sure if that means x670 won't work but

[cerulean talon]

I just want the 4xx4 epycs.

I'm midlly curious if they'll have /any/ difference from their desktop 7xxx series counterparts.

Or if the lines are just converging

[paper tusk]

new chipsets should be wifi7/usb4 focused. I don't know any details 😐

[hard drift]

new chipset is normal

they do one for each generation usually

it's not a new socket

[paper tusk]

old ones will work with bios update (AGESA ComboPI 1.1.7.0 or newer) edit: although 1.1.8.0 is out recently I don't know the change log. msi isn't telling in terms of new chip support.

[wise hatch]

I see

also darn I didnt even notice you rejoined bidori

[hard drift]

i have been here i am just in the void most times lol

[sly elk]

ahh

usb4 would only be nice if the motherboards support dp over usb4 (thunderbolt dp functionality)

in a way that I can push gpu output over it

what I REALLY want

is for the *(@%# GPUs to start coming with 4x usb4/thunderbolt 4 ports

it'd be pretty sweet to have a monitor with usbs and whatever else over 1 cable

plus imagine how much simpler wired vr headsets could be with 1 cable instead of that goofy harness

but I highly doubt any GAMING motherboard manufacturer is gonna give a shit

[fallen hemlock]

It short circuited and i didn't have electricity for a day but now it's working 😎

[dire viper]

That creeper is actually comfy

[deep sapphire]

LMAO

well at least its working now

[sly elk]

gg

at least nobody got hurt

[sly elk]

lol at people trying to figure out the modern version of "FAANG" (facebook amazon apple netflix google)

I prefer HANNAHMONTANA: Huawei Amazon Nokia Netflix Alibaba HP Microsoft Oracle NVIDIA Tesla Apple Nubank Alphabet

Don't forget about FUGMYASS (Facebook, Uber, Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, Amazon, Stripe, Salesforce)

[cerulean talon]

MANGA is still my favourite atm (Meta/Apple/Netflix/Google/Amazon)

[sly elk]

idk why netflix anymore lol

should be nvidia

[cold yacht]

Netflix is probably easy work for the pay

[golden stream]

eh not sure

for payment idk about paypal but platforms are updated w stripe payment processor recently

[paper tusk]

I feel like 80% of working at netflix would be related to either production, or network engineering (reducing bandwith used)

as far as I know they are still leaning towards VVC because of the ability to plug it into existing rights management cycle (real time encoding)

the state of that + AV1 is still kinda a shitshow user experience wise

[golden stream]

eh I don't think AV1 would be widely popular until like 1-2 gens of hardware

[cerulean talon]

Yeh, it's gotta age a bit to get good hardware impls.

IIRC the current-gen apple chips have HW AV1 decoders though, so it may not be super far off

[golden stream]

not so super far off, but production hardware that is not-apple is p limited, like reserved only for 4090 + the whole intel GPUs

Intel GPU is p interesting but more of experimental end tho

[cerulean talon]

I quite like the intel GPU for transcoding work, I'm using it fairly heavily for such atm, but yeah, it'll be nice to see it hit more mainstream hardware in general.

[golden stream]

hot take: i actually looking forward intel GPU
prolly duo GPUs may be back, one for working one for rendering/transcoding
at least intel GPU is, and still, be cheaper than nvidia

[cerulean talon]

I've got several of the intel GPU's, and I was happy with them, I wasn't trying to shove gaming down their throats, but generally they handled my 4k's fine, and running them on linux was fairly smooth

I'm pretty sure if I'd upgraded to 6.7, and let things be a bit more edge than my usual stable systems they would have been super nice as it unlocked quite a bit on my A380 I'm using in my NAS.

[golden stream]

now that's surprising ngl
how's rendering work w em tho?

[cerulean talon]

Fine, I've got an A380 in my NAS as mentioned, and I've got it fully exposed to Emby, but works fine in Jellyfin. Remuxing a 4k fully w/ tone mapping/etc at full speed runs it around 40-60% of it's render core, so it's possible I could render 2 full 4k streams at once.

[golden stream]

that's impressive for a weird GPU

I may consider intel GPU in a year or two mostly bc I'm not living at home, but office rn

[cerulean talon]

Yup, works super well, I was suprised as I've got a couple and I expected to need something bigger, but it handled it fine, ran about 2.3x rate, so it stayed slightly ahead of where I was.

[golden stream]

iirc the price of it for such work is also p reasonable AM LOOKING AT U NVIDIA

[cerulean talon]

Yeah, I paid 100$ for this one.

I've got an A770 somewhere that I'll be using for XIV model rendering when I get back around to that project after wrapping up the insanity I've got pending w/ the XIVAPI replacement on kupo.

[sly elk]

yer living in an office? 😮

[cerulean talon]

I'll be putting it through giga-abuse soon when I transcode my entire media library over to h.265 xD

[golden stream]

yeah, my apartment is like right opposite to the office, and work 887 (8am-8pm-7 days a week)

2 years till the contract expires btw

[sly elk]

ooooof holy crap

if you don't mind me asking, what part of the world are you from? That's a rough schedule x_X

[deep sapphire]

https://youtube.com/shorts/F7cEKSZgo3U?si=xLp_CcpOGiyS5MOH

[dire viper]

https://www.superbusa.com/

The 380hp Hayabusa

Supercharged

[cerulean talon]

That’s absurd and I love it

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/r-5MH2y1FYk?si=Pksv-3s9UiIpAfe1 one day GT3 Tourings will be cheap

this will be the car to own soon

Targa's are the car to own rn in the porsche community but Tourings are getting really popular

a GT3 but smoof

[sly elk]

NO CHRONO WTF

lol jk

[dire viper]

Sport Chrono package is just kinda whatever

It’s like 2k or something so everybody adds it lmao

It’s like Rubystone Red

That color exploded cause Porsche made it a 5k paint option instead of paint to sample only

[sly elk]

ll

lol

i think i like it without the sport chrono, too

it's a cleaner look

[dire viper]

Like for a minute 1 out of every 10 Porsche sold was a Rubystone, massive amount of Cayennes in that color which TBH its fucking awesome for a pink

[sly elk]

lime green would be a fun color for le porsche

i also like this combo

maybe not those wheels specifically but the gold/blue is nice

[odd sand]

My friend wants a GT3 as his bucket car. He honestly probably makes enough now to buy one if he wanted to, but $200-250k is still a lot of money...

[golden stream]

SEA, black company/family bizz are a thing

[sly elk]

A panamera would fit me best but I just can't see myself spending more than 50k on a car

And what's worse

I really like being the first owner lmao

I'm doomed

[lost python]

man, fuck vodafone. my fucking ping looks like some fucked up heartrate monitor

[potent arrow]

LOL

what the fuck is that

[lost python]

ping spiking into the hundreds every few seconds

[potent arrow]

I mean like

is this your phone or like home net

idk vodaphone

[lost python]

i can understand some jitter but like, from 20ms to 340ms is too much

its an ISP

[potent arrow]

ooooooooooof

thats not what I expect from a home isp

thats a tremor not jitter lol

[lost python]

we moved into this place about a year ago and we have had nonstop issues. internet constantly dies etc

[potent arrow]

coax or dsl?

if its coax the ISP probally needs to check the signal into your apt.

SNR probally not in an acceptable range

usually checking modem logs can tell you that

unless you got fiber then idk

[lost python]

its coax and yes they did that already. i think i have like 20 tickets by now with them

[lost python]

this piece of shit box doesnt show shit in the logs unfortunately

[potent arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-issues-gif-13031152103567454559

[lost python]

last time a technician was here, did some shit to the wallsocket and cable in there, said he had to go check in the basement and will be back in a bit and then fucking disappeared

[potent arrow]

got the modem model number by chance?

[lost python]

its their own thing

[potent arrow]

These things legally have to have logs here

yeah

even the isp garbage

[lost python]

the "logs" they have in the "expert mode" are just a bunch of wifi devices connecting and disconnecting as well as this

its useless

[potent arrow]

is this the only box? only thing I can find is that its the router not a modem

[lost python]

got 90€ discount now for the next bills and another 24h connection test from them but oh well

[potent arrow]

also that its fucking shit LOL

[lost python]

they arent seperate here

i should have gotten the fritzbox ngl. those things at least work and have useful logs. since my issue wont be resolved tomorrow either, i will bully them into upgrading me for free to them

[potent arrow]

I heard the fritzboxs are actually good lol

[inland mauve]

yeah fritzbox is amazing

expensive but really good

[lost python]

i had one back at my dads place. it worked so much better.
also right now this vodafone box has a wifi antenna powerful enough to give us fullspeed connection to it even if we are in the restaurant 80m away.
my fucking phone connects to my wifi before i even see my house, this is so unnecessary

i just wanted to play some modded insurgency coop man, but this thing is warping me around the map every few seconds

[potent arrow]

how much power is going throught that attennae lOL

[dire viper]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60925547/lancia-ypsilon-hf-rally/

[sly elk]

are you using cable or fiber

it sounds like it might be fiber with moca over coax

[dire viper]

@deep sapphire

[deep sapphire]

Haha

Toyota pulled a similar stunt

[deep sapphire]

https://youtu.be/b8bdsQEbGdw?si=5mSnVVFSX_-rOHEC

[dire viper]

Chad Tundra vs Virgin Cybertruck

[inland mauve]

isn't there a thing where Youtube videos cap the display of the number of views at a certain number until the actual number of views passes another threshold?

[cold yacht]

yeah

[old jetty]

Whoops, sorry, wrong chat

[deep sapphire]

I forgot I even had this installed wtf is this LMAO

they have their own browser

[cerulean talon]

Everyone's back to making their own browsers these days. Rip some chromium, add a feature or two, then push it as if it's the coolest thing ever.

[jaunty nacelle]

Privacy policy - we sell all ur data

[sharp star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYdtpU8FKO8 babes wake up there's a part 3

[inland mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/daspoody-sleep-sleepy-wake-woke-gif-2569845121217246002

[late basalt]

Fwiw if it’s broadcasting that strongly, you’re basically drowning out your neighbors’ Wi-Fi at best. At worst, you’re a target of opportunity for someone to poke at your network.

Also, anyone else read the article this week about the cybertrash body panels being so fucking razor sharp that just looking at one sent someone to the ER with a slashed wrist?

[sharp star]

lmao what

[inland mauve]

what

[late basalt]

Lemme pull the article

https://jalopnik.com/cybertruck-reportedly-draws-blood-before-new-owner-can-1851503430

Like seriously, if you have body panels with raw edges slicing people apart, you have manufacturing flaws to deal with

[inland mauve]

god how does the cybertruck still keep getting worse

[late basalt]

You mean worse than coolant leaks not being covered under warranty even if they occur less than 50 miles on the odometer?

[deep sapphire]

Stainless steel is very hard and easy to cut your hand on which makes it even more ridiculous

[cold yacht]

i remember working with stainless steel once

got annoyed by it and got annoyed by the guy who was in charge cause he wanted replace some of the aluminium parts with stainless steel

[late basalt]

Exposed SS edges near regularly used touch points is the most fucking stupid thing ever

[deep sapphire]

its wildly used in the food processing industry because its easy to clean and wont rust from bleach

[late basalt]

Oh yea, i know that first hand. The problem is when they dont have rolled edges or otherwise softened edges to avoid lacerations

[thin mantle]

the cybertruck is elon's personal dream truck
so cybertruck enthusiasts are getting what they pay for

[sly elk]

hmm i was behind a cybertruck in traffic for a little bti earlier

ya know what it reminds me of from the back

[late basalt]

Low poly halo warthog?

[sly elk]

from the back, no

idk how to explain it but it kinda looks like a hay wagon or something

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0196%2F5170%2Ffiles%2FTesla-Cybertruck-Tail-Lights-Pre-Production_1024x1024.jpg%3Fv%3D1667224623&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=a9ff280a61b12935e9b8ea3cbd956be1245e3f10bc20cb488a954b1b74f11146&ipo=images

i was in my jeep though so it may have been the angle i was viewing it from

from the sides it doesn't look so bad but from the back it looks kinda .. yea.. wagon/boat... ish

and man the frame on them is so ugly lol

[late basalt]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/this-halo-warthog-cybertruck-wrap-shouldnt-work-and-yet

[cold yacht]

low poly warhog

[wraith agate]

somehow looks worse than the original Halo CE warthog

[odd sand]

If Halo was a PS1 game

[odd sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cloud-strife-game-gaming-no-gif-7860189
"Looks fine to me"

[hard drift]

time to learn how to host a server next week

[modest moss]

a server for what?

[hard drift]

a discord bot as well as for a few different games for my buddies

[royal forge]

A server to ban you from, Shue

[sly elk]

i did find one thing linux on my gaming pc does badly

vlc playing dvds 😦

it works but it's very glitchy and flickery

[sly elk]

reminds me of something frank lloyd wright liked to do

frank lloyd wright was short and hated tall people

so he would build houses with low doorways

[jaunty nacelle]

wasn't he like 5'8

that's taller than me

[dire viper]

Kinda seems like a space frame to me@

It’s nothing but the minimum and the entire body is probably stressed equally

[wraith agate]

Hey @deep sapphire you are the big car and apple expert, why do people feel the need to put an apple logo on their cars?

[deep sapphire]

They give you 2 stickers in every Apple product box

So I just assume people put it on their car because free stickers

[wraith agate]

:L

that's terrible

[deep sapphire]

True

https://buystickershere.com/cdn/shop/products/82-calvin_pee_on_ford_web2_1200x1200.jpg?v=1650743650

The only right sticker to buy

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-5090-new-rumored-specs-28gb-gddr7-and-448-bit-bus

448 bit bus gah damn

[odd sand]

inb4 16gb vram only /s

[dreamy chasm]

their 800 dollar card will have 10gb

[hazy frost]

There’s only like one card that’s gone backwards in vram recently

It’s just that it’s staying the same mostly

But the 4070/ti and 4080 are both up from last gen only the 4060 went down

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/cTgTzmjrOCM?si=27vvbGs7IpgxvR9H

I miss the Gallardo

[tiny nebula]

So.

Its me again. After a year or so lol.

I would want a gaming PC like an actual one but it's not possible rn at all. Is there any Gaming Laptop that's at least optimal for a good 2 years or so. I have a pretty good budget but if 1200 only gives me "enough" I'll take it.

[sly elk]

yep that's pretty much it. With imacs you get matching colored apple stickers!

although apparently with new ipads apple stopped doing that

and their reasoning is that they're trying to make their packaging more environmentally friendly by eliminating plastic

.... this is ofc blatant bullshit because apple's packaging is incredibly not environmentally friendly ><

it's like a case study into how to make the most not-environmentally-friendly packaging ever

[hard drift]

i would never

[hard drift]

Where do you live?

And what are you mainly playing?

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6576659.p?skuId=6576659 or if you can spare some extra https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6536973.p?skuId=6536973

That’s without knowing exact needs

There’s also the alienware m16 r2 if you can get a good open box deal for around 1500ish

[tiny nebula]

These specs are good enough for 14 when DT releases right? I assume that's already a yes.

[hard drift]

Yeah they’re more than enough for dt

Dt still supports ps4 so you will be more than fine

[tiny nebula]

You're right but I kinda wanna see how I can play on a CPU.

[hard drift]

…

[tiny nebula]

What's the matter

That and there's some other games I'd like to play sorry

I wasn't getting one specifically for 14.

[hard drift]

It’s still more than good depending on the game

[tiny nebula]

Thanks. I'll take a look at em.

I heard about HP Omen brand being pretty good. I might just get it next week.

[hazy frost]

Lenovo legion ones are good besides tha lack of control of stuff like fan curves

They don’t let u touch anything remotely bios related but everything else is good

Build quality and their screens are better than the competition mostly

[deep sapphire]

What an ironic question coming from you

[modest moss]

have we really stooped so low that we're recommending alienware?

[celest violet]

Off topic to current discussion, but is there a way to force youtube to play 1080p videos at 1440p, a way to upscale, or are the videos cursed to play blurry on my 1440p monitor

I know scaling and pixel size etc is the issue, just curious on if theres work arounds

[modest moss]

it just depends what res they're uploaded as

if a 1080p video is uploaded that's the best you're getting

[celest violet]

rip, was hoping that wasnt the case

[paper tusk]

they are plenty fine (when the laptop I'm typing on now with a 3050 is good to go with dlss for reference)

instead of those 2 however I would throw this as a suggestion (at the upper end of the budget going by the numbers) https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1745682-REG/lenovo_82wk0083us_16_legion_pro_5i.html

[hard drift]

It’s honestly a solid laptop tbf

[hazy frost]

I would not get anything with that cpu in it for gaming lol

[hard drift]

The other ones are trash alienware laptops

[hazy frost]

That’s asking for thermal issues

[modest moss]

a 4050 laptop for 1500 bucks?

fuck that

there was a 4060 laptop linked here the other day for 800

[hazy frost]

Alienware do not make a single good product outside of monitors

And that’s mostly not even them bc they don’t do much with the panel

[modest moss]

Alienware were briefly an option during covid because they could actually source gpus, but other than that nope

[hazy frost]

Majority of stuff if u buy from dell instead of alienware it’s better lol

The only good products are the OLED monitors

And occasionally if ur a pro level esports player they’ll come out with a stupid monitor for that

[sly elk]

the only thing i don't like about dell/alienware monitors is their antiglare coating

[celest violet]

Having a hard time deciding if I want my replacement monitor to be curved or not.
Ig for dual monitors flats probably better

But I'm so used to gaming on a curved

My current monitor is a samsung c27hg70, but it's lived a long life span and is starting to have issues

Curved is so nice, but I feel like it's weird with my secondary monitor unless I go vertical on secondary

[sly elk]

idk

i use a flat monitor next to a very very curved one

ehehehe

wow it ignored my submission

took like half a minute to do that though

[wise hatch]

Lenovo - Legion Slim 5 16" Ryzen 5 7640HS with 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 8GB - 512GB SSD - Storm Grey

@modest moss @dense temple what do you think of this for 900?

[dense temple]

fine for the price, secondary issue(s) personally is the non-expandable ram and only one SSD M.2 slot which is already occupied. Ymmv if that's enough room for your needs.

[tiny nebula]

Question. Could one of those recommendations run Elden Ring? I'm bored with my PS4 rn and I'm wondering if I should just hold until I buy the laptop.

Since I'm likely gonna order it next week.

Nvm lemme activate like 1 of my braincells and do a spec research

[wise hatch]

I see, I don't mind the single SSD slot but 16gb max ram is a deal-breaker

[dense temple]

wait I was maybe remembering improperly https://youtu.be/FwUoLbMhiWk

There's two ram slots but you'd have to buy two new RAM sticks

and don't know what laptop ram prices are like

[wise hatch]

I see they have one at my local best buy so in that case I might actually get this

[modest moss]

16gb ram is fine imo

if you're only gaming at 1080p with a 4060 it's about what you'd expect

[deep sapphire]

why would you want a slim gaming laptop that shit is gonna thermal throttle and die after a year

[sly elk]

so they can keep it plugged in at their desk until the battery swells

and use it like a gaming desktop

[hard drift]

The forbidden pillow 🙏

[deep sapphire]

LOL "but I need something portable"

[sly elk]

dude i lost that argument so many times in my teens on IRC

them: I need a gaming computer
me: Here's some pointers on parts
them: no I was thinking of this acer laptop for $600 from walmart
me:

it was ALWAYS that fucking acer laptop too

and then like a year later they'd come back asking for help because it broke apart lol

[royal forge]

Coward

[hard drift]

😭

It’s only meant for a select few people

[royal forge]

Wow i see how it is

[hard drift]

The struggle is figuring it out

[royal forge]

/jk

[hard drift]

[hard drift]

Maybe i will expand its capabilities to house more folks but it is already going to be taxing with 30 folks 🙃

[modest moss]

he can't ban me if he never invites me, innit

[latent ore]

Why did discord put me here

[open osprey]

I still lose this argument

Because they can never be convinced

They don't want a desktop but refuse to say that

And instead use the excuse "I want something portable"

[deep sapphire]

That or the MSI one with hinges that break after 6 months

[hard drift]

i was going to say that but didn't want to be mean lol

[hard drift]

gigabyte laptops ftw

[sly elk]

yea ofc, I wonder what the reason is that they don't wanna say? fashion?

or is it just

i've heard of people not wanting desktops 'because they take up too much space' before

i knew someone that only played games laying in bed lol

[golden stream]

tfw steam deck is perfect for that

but laptop for that thing is heavy af man

[golden stream]

gigabyte lappy hinge is huge mannn

[hard drift]

it's okay

[golden stream]

I'm using a gigabyte rn

[golden stream]

prolly for the case
but then peep could go for SFF build and stuff

[sly elk]

yea but that wasl ike 10 years ago lol

[golden stream]

OH lol ya

[deep sapphire]

https://youtube.com/shorts/T0tEpaG6hW0?si=vafqp74MVYnjds_D

[sly elk]

True Apple lightning devices are more expensive to make. So instead of conforming to the Apple standard, these companies have made headphones that receive audio via bluetooth — avoiding the Apple specification — while powering the bluetooth chip via a wired cable, thereby avoiding any need for a battery.

https://tenor.com/view/gabriel-dropout-anime-satanya-demonic-laugh-cute-gif-15655601

[sly elk]

lol steve roasting the hyte y70

not as bad as the corsair 6500d though

[royal forge]

Oh fuk that true. Brb makin server to ban Shue from

[inland mauve]

ill ban him for you if he joins my server

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/magi-anime-smiling-gif-5934803

[hazy frost]

Making a more expensive version of an already bad case

[sly elk]

What is your ideal case?

I think the y70 is a more interesting o11

[golden stream]

well the y70 is like resized-ish y60

[dreamy chasm]

i dont know how msi still choses to produce the worst fucking hinges known to man

[potent arrow]

*I don't know how MSI continues to make the worst fucking products in the industry and survives

[dreamy chasm]

honestly

their motherboard division hasn't been the worst

[potent arrow]

idk how they are in late 2023-now but they are my highest RMA count over all, so uhujffjjstk

[dreamy chasm]

oh

rip

Their am4 stuff was prettys olid

I think one of their itx b450 boards was just a default recommendation for a time

[potent arrow]

YMMV but I have the policy not to service them and multiple times in this channel it's been wtf why is your motherboard so broken? oh MSI.

[dreamy chasm]

only had 4+2 phases but they happened to be good quality

ah

odd

funnily enough

ive heard asrock's been on the upturn in the past few years

as far as value goes, anyways

[potent arrow]

god I hope so, I usually only able to recommend gigashart now

more options would be nice

Asus has some QC daddy issues to hell and back

[dreamy chasm]

their motherboards have been decent, at least

They consistently tend to be the only company that releases boards with vrms that don't absolutely fucking suck in the budget range

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekeTA1rds1s

[potent arrow]

I've just kinda

accepted that the budget range has been kneecapped in the recent gens

and push more mid tier ish builds

I do budget builds if they under stand the caveats, otherwise I'm like just save another 200-400$

[vague slate]

Yeah, the $1000 PC is often not worth building these days

[dreamy chasm]

it very much is rn

lol

400 dollar builds however

maybe not

[dreamy chasm]

you can work around it

but it's definitely limiting

[deep sapphire]

They typically have the cheapest gaming laptop when you compare spec for spec so I’m not entirely surprised they cut costs elsewhere rofl

[modest moss]

almost entirely a pointless price point, just get a $200 mini pc

I got a bee-link recent for that roughly, runs plex great, came with w11 installed, would be fine for facebook, blah blah

[dreamy chasm]

It used to be a pricepoint

back in 2013

just doesnt exist anymore

[modest moss]

yeah it's a real shame it's not possible nowadays

[dreamy chasm]

there used to be a lot of "console killer" builds back in the day because pc hardware good enough to run titles that a similarly priced console could, did exist

[hazy frost]

Nah $400 is doable if u just buy a few parts used tbh

500 is a more ideal starting point but consoles are also 500 now

[potent arrow]

we are takling new here assumably. Near the tail end of my business I actually stopped going used as its become a fucking liability nightmare post covid and pricing in my region is basically buying the worstr products for 50$ less of a new equivalent.

[hazy frost]

$50 less than a new one can be a good saving tho

[potent arrow]

and for the most part the system requirements have ballooned to the point where I am not comfortable recomending some of the older stuff to my clients because I know they want something that can play a game a year or two down the line with the same quality.

[hazy frost]

U can get stuff in a 400-500 budget that’ll run games fine

Just don’t try and play games above 1080p

An a580 or rx6600 is like $160 now

[potent arrow]

: P I just pander to my clients and nothing here is 500$ budget because our market is fucked and dollar is fucked. Our budget goes as low as 700$ usually. I also do not get an a580 for them because its more headache for support down the line

the build I usually go with is an rx6600 and whatever i3 I had on the shelf

[deft sphinx]

jesus christ, i got some one sooo pissed off when i told him that there are not selling any motherboards with integrated gpus >.>

and the reason was because he confused the integrated GPU in CPUs…….

[hazy frost]

I’d get a 6600 or used 5700xt/1080 and a 3600/5500 bc am4 is dirt cheap too

[potent arrow]

good for you! 👍

[fleet lance]

I am currently considering getting a new graphics card. is it worth to upgrade from a rtx 3060 to the 40 series cards or should I wait until later this year when they announce the 50 series?

[hazy frost]

Depends which 40 series card

Something like the 4070s yeah

4060 or 4060ti no

The only reason to upgrade is if ur not happy with what ur getting out of ur pc rn anyway

[fleet lance]

yeah that's what one of my friends told me too. I am just unsure what to get considering that we will likely get a new series at the end of the year. I want to play the playstation studio games on max settings + 4k and 60 fps

[hazy frost]

Idk what games ur referring to

[fleet lance]

God of War Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West

The Last of Us

[hazy frost]

4K isn’t doable on most triple A games unless you buy a 4080 or 7900xtx tho

I wouldn’t buy anything for that rn

[fleet lance]

I put 3k aside for new hardware but I only want to spend 1,8k - 2k at max because everything above that is overkill

[hazy frost]

4K is overkill in itself

So

Wait for new GPUs if u wanna do that

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/lPD6C0jyVhU?si=yNpM2ExYFw2eab9O

[paper tusk]

looks like will be only 4 new amd desktop cpus for computex:
r9 9950x 16c32t 170w
r9 9900x 12c24t 120/150w
r7 9700x 8x16t 120w
r5 9600 6x12t 65w

thanks gigabyte

frequency will increase

[sharp star]

where the fuck is X3D

[paper tusk]

won't be until maybe november

[cold yacht]

I don’t like how that chart is not in order of anything

[paper tusk]

same 😐

dumb promotion slide

[hazy frost]

More cache higher clock speeds

Atl it isn’t identical like Intel be doing

[deep sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu1hHOSk1dA

MILWAUKEE BROS

[pine thistle]

Who the fuck at MS thought that making your telemetry service retry 10x per second after getting a 403 from the proxy would be a good idea

And you can't even turn it off

[deep sapphire]

MS doesnt think

[pine thistle]

Yeah I learned that today >.>

We had trouble connecting to anything because it exhausted all local ports

[deep sapphire]

I still cant get over how bad this is

so much wasted space

[pine thistle]

and ofc, having your proxy DDoSed by hundreds of machines doesn't exactly help either

[pine thistle]

yikes

[deep sapphire]

compared to win 7 style

its like wtf were they thinking

https://tenor.com/view/avgn-angry-video-game-nerd-what-were-they-thinking-what-are-they-thinking-confused-gif-17417919

[pine thistle]

actually prefer the win10 over win7 tbh

its nice and simple

once you hide candy crush and the other shit ofc

[deep sapphire]

https://youtu.be/YuAfUpC7lsw?t=1047

[modest moss]

<@&607647345936695316> daddy's home

[deep sapphire]

Welcome back babe

[modest moss]

[deep sapphire]

Workin on the dirty bastard today