technology-discussion

[vast apex]

What's the best speaker for PC use

Considering a soundbar here, so if there's any recommendations that'd be nice.

[dreamy chasm]

Wish I could tell you

I do know the edifier mr4's are decent audiophile speakers for cheap but

They're bulky

I mostly deal with iems and headphones

[wide hill]

just get one of these

[vast apex]

I'm for serious recommendations. I don't think THOSE are what I'm looking for.

[cerulean talon]

Best is going to vary as always, I think budget and expected use would be useful here. Do you need some bass-boosted monsters because you listen to the ~wub~ all day, or are we talking more classy, and how do you want to drive them?

[wide hill]

idk do you really need really expensive new 'quality' speakers?

unless you are going for full cinematic or smth

[vast apex]

Uhh, let's see. For PS5, and I listen to all genre of music, I don't like bass too heavy if there's any preference

And if there's a switch for me to switch from PC to PS5 easily that would be...great?

[late basalt]

before i moved down to florida i was using a fairly decent set of logitech speakers. they werent dollar store budget, but there were definitely better than you'd have thought

[vast apex]

I ask

because my Harman/Kardon Soundsticks 3 is dead.

the pins broke off

[late basalt]

f

not adventurous enough to try replacing them?

[vast apex]

That's fine too, that would be my utmost priority.

[wide hill]

you would need an usb audio dac then..

[vast apex]

I only ask for recommendation to serve as a final resort.

[wide hill]

unless you got an hdmi audio splitter, and put that into a dac

[umbral moss]

Real talk, unless you want headphones specifically, sound bars are the secret to good pc audio

They're cheap as hell for how loud and good they sound, especially compared to the weird "pc audio" tax that shitty desktop speakers pay for some reason

[dreamy chasm]

I just don't bother with them

[hazy frost]

only after the 7800xt

the 7600/7600xt and 7700xt are pretty mid

same as the 4060/4060ti

7900gre and 4070s are both great tbh

[celest violet]

I think those are really only mid cause its a small update from the 30 series, from older cards its pretty good

For both brands

[hazy frost]

yeah but then the 6000 series was cheaper

could get a 6700xt or 6650xt for similar prices to 7600/7600xt

and a 6800 for similar prices to the 7700xt

[celest violet]

Pricing issues were kinda AMDs flop this gen, I'm just saying that for both brands they weren't necessarily bad cards, just bad for price

[hazy frost]

yeah

[celest violet]

Both brands need hits to their egos on pricing

[hazy frost]

amd doing it is more disappointing

[celest violet]

Although ig that's kinda the pc part industry rn

[hazy frost]

bc thats normally how they sell their product

being cheaper

the 7900xt pricing on release was particularly bad

was literally just to upsell to the xtx

7900xt came out at $900 when the xtx was like 1000

[celest violet]

Yeah, they should have just checked their egos instead of pulling from high end this gen lmao

[hazy frost]

yeah

when i was buying my card my 4070ti was £150 less than the 7900xt near release

was shocked lmao

[celest violet]

I feel like investors big eyes on ai rn is gonna make it get worse for a bit

[hazy frost]

yeah

well if they make good low end c ards next gen id still be happy

bc no ones doing that rn

basically only new gpus are the 6600/6600xt

intel wont let the a750 drop low enough in price

[modest moss]

these were actually good tho

[hazy frost]

also the a770 draws the same amount of power as like the 6800xt sometimes

while performing like a 6700

[celest violet]

What you mean for low end you don't wanna buy an old rx 580 they still sell for some reason 😭

[hazy frost]

lol

well used market is fine

but new market is bad

2060s/5600xt isnt too much

[celest violet]

After like my first build I've always had decent cards so I always forget the struggle of lower end hardware.
Been lucky I suppose

[sly elk]

yea that depends what you want to do, what your budget is, and maybe what sound you prefer

[celest violet]

Started on a gtx 950, but it served me well at the time when the games I played were ovwrwatch 1, chivalry and subnautica

[sly elk]

like if you just need speakers to play the beeps and boops the computer makes

or you want speakers for FPS games specifically, or racing games specifically, or to use as studio monitors for recording music

or you just want something for blasting rap music

budget too because $50 and $500 are very different budgets

[wide hill]

go for some Wharfedale Lintons speakers

[sly elk]

and there are $1000 "PC speakers"

[celest violet]

I think I just have some cheap blackweb speakers

Works for my uses as my headphones are for actual quality

[sly elk]

I'm using edifers but they were meant more for style than sound lmao, but they still sound pretty good

[celest violet]

Speakers are for "yeah I'm sick of wearing my headphones for the day"

[lost python]

i got Edifier R1280DBs and they are pretty solid. got them on sale for like 80 and they have been with my setup for the past... 5 years?
alternatively Edifier R1280Ts which are the same but without bluetooth and cheaper

[vast apex]

Latter. I do not play FPS, nor racing

[wide hill]

i use headphones cause i want to listen to stuff when my fan noise is running at 100% fan speed

[celest violet]

Felt

I ran out of 4 pins so I am temporarily using molex for two fans

It's awful

[sly elk]

Noise cancelling headphones are just amazing for that lol

[wide hill]

i still hear my fan spins even with noise cancelling

[lost python]

have you tried not sitting next to your server rack

[wide hill]

i just might only need to replace the thermal paste on the gpu

[sly elk]

dang lol, when I hit the button on my airpods max it goes silent and I can't hear my computer xD

[deep sapphire]

https://youtu.be/D3StcUhVRWQ?si=LjwalKJruoASxTZu

Lmao ASUS

[wide hill]

oh and yeah my gpu is 4 years old, so it must be dry by now

[sly elk]

unless you pasted it yourself with thermal grizzly it should still be ok

maybe not optimal but

[wide hill]

nah it's stock

huh, my limited warranty actually last till 2 more months

[sly elk]

tbh with a 4 year old gpu i'd just hit the heatsink/fan with some compressed air and leave it be

[sly elk]

I don't know about that video but I feel like half the problem with asus and the other companies is the bios menus are kinda engrish-y sometimes

and on that note, asus routers are the worst ><

i hate asus' ability to combine bad english with brand names for everything

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/mtM-fdhadxE?si=c5_RfbX8cgepvVOc useless information that is still interesting

fucking Camry vs Accord

[wide hill]

i wonder what i would get out of my warranty if my gpu suddenly breaks

[sly elk]

well, with evga you'd get a refurb card

with asus you'd probably get pictures of stickers pointed at scratches and nicks that you didn't put there

[wide hill]

Any replacement product will be based on performance equivalent to the original product, subject to availability.

it's gigabyte

[sly elk]

chances are good they still have whatever it is you have

[wide hill]

an rtx 2070 super?

specifically i have the GV-N207SGAMING OC-8GD

[dreamy chasm]

Me with iems

Except it's fifty fucking degrees celsius and I don't want to die of heat stroke

[dreamy chasm]

There might be bstock

Or they might just send you a current gen card

[sharp star]

"for those who dare"

[sly elk]

i can't use earplug style headphones X_X

i haven't tried the molded iem type

but my bet is those are even worse for me x_X

[dreamy chasm]

You probably need to find the right tip material or size

Iems not being dogshit tend to heavily depend on fit and comfort

[sly elk]

it's more of an ear pressure problem

[dreamy chasm]

You might've not gotten a properly vented one then

BA sets aren't vented but

I'm pretty sure most dynamic driver iems have some sort of venting to relieve the pressure somewhat

[hazy frost]

is the 4090 still good for gaming

no

its shit

i mean tbf as far as actual design goes theyre pretty good

theyre just shit company

idk why anyone would buy a 4090 now

50 series already coming soon

either 4090 gets cheaper or u buy a 5090

[somber robin]

I am hanging on to my 3060 until it becomes min spec

[hazy frost]

That’ll be soon for triple A games

UE5 games shouldn’t even exist no one can make one that runs well still

It’s like early UE4 games

[deep sapphire]

I haven’t played a game in like 3 weeks

[sharp star]

play a game

[cerulean talon]

My 4090 is mostly used to hardware accelerate electron apps and jetbrains, as it should be. nods

[torpid kayak]

I guess they include the shipping cost 🤔

[inland mauve]

wtf

[celest violet]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6537995.p?skuId=6537995

As I know jack shit about wifi shit, is this a decent enough switch if all I'm doing is gaming and watching streams?

[sharp star]

GN covered this

[celest violet]

also for some reason, attempting with the same ethernet cable (direct to router), my roommate gets a much higher download and upload speed than me, so im assuming my os might have scuffs?

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-laugh-sarcastic-smile-king-gif-15896630

I believe at this point, when you buy a new asus product you should record video of yourself unboxing it - preferably with a very good camera

and then if you find any cosmetic defects, send an invoice to asus for 90% of the cost

idk which company it was

but I remember a story where someone sent in a GPU for repair and it was rejected because it was "damaged" and when they received it back, there were obvious marks of "someone hit it with a hammer"

[paper tusk]

check that it's not negotiating to a lower link speed

[celest violet]

how would I check that

Wifi stuff is like the one area i am clueless

[umbral moss]

The technician tried to realign the heatsink because you damaged it

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/linus-linus-drop-linustechtips-linusdroptips-drop-gif-24524203

^ ASUS RMA tech

[umbral moss]

Whoops, all butterfingers

That'll be $3800 to fix your shit

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/venti-venti-genshin-impact-venti-cute-venti-tongue-inazuma-gif-25340459

i love how you can solve all your problems if you have enough social media clout

[umbral moss]

I mean, that's pretty much always been the case

"do you know who I am?" and its irritating sister, "do you know who I know?"

[paper tusk]

(you) might be connecting via 2.4ghz (better range but much slower)

[paper tusk]

go to 5 ghz

[celest violet]

is that effective even with ethernet?

i know I said ethernet in the original message, but saying wifi after might have been a confusion

[cerulean talon]

No, ethernet doesn't use anything wifi related.

[celest violet]

thats what I was thinking

[cerulean talon]

As for your question about switches, tp-links are fine in general, so it should be fine for most of your needs.

[celest violet]

given that we tried the same ethernet, im guessing its for sure an issue in my system

heard

[cerulean talon]

Did you have wi-fi enabled while plugged into ethernet?

It's not unusual for windows to not be able to decide which network connection to use, so your test might have gone over wifi if so.

[celest violet]

tried with disabled and without

unless the wifi card being in the board in gen is an issue

[cerulean talon]

Nah.

As long as you're disconnected from the wifi according to windows it won't interfere.

I'd be interested to see the link speed if you plug into the switch/router again, as it may be negotating weird as suggested, but you can't tell unless everything's plugged in and going.

[celest violet]

I can see about getting him to take a screenshot of his compared to mine when I get off

[cerulean talon]

Yeh, no rush to be sure.

[celest violet]

im not really sure where the issue could come from other than OS or faulty hw on mine, cause across the board I think my hw is better

[cerulean talon]

You'll need to do it while you're plugged in tho.

"gaming" enhanced network cards have done it to my friends before. xD

[pine thistle]

I guess you tried a reboot too

We used to have an issue at work where the network connection would just randomly degrade from 10 Gbit to 100 Mbit for no reason and until you restarted the entire thing

[cerulean talon]

Ooof, that's rough.

[pine thistle]

Never found a fix either, just gave the user a popup asking them to restart their machine

[deep sapphire]

"

Despite Samsung Electronics' continuous efforts to supply products to NVIDIA, rumors have spread that some products did not pass the inspection stage.

According to Alpha Economy's extensive coverage, Samsung Electronics recently conducted verification work on its HBM3E 8-stack products with NVIDIA, and it was revealed that additional verification was required during this process.

An industry insider mentioned that while it is true that Samsung's HBM products received a defective judgment, this was due to the application of SK hynix standards, particularly seen as a stubbornness from TSMC, NVIDIA's GPU production partner.

In other words, it is interpreted that TSMC applied completely different manufacturing standards from SK hynix during the inspection process of Samsung's HBM, leading to a defective judgment.

The insider mentioned that if there are changes in the inspection methods, there should be no problem with Samsung Electronics' supply to NVIDIA, emphasizing that Samsung Semiconductor's HBM3E 8-stack product line is continuing to sell out.

Furthermore, it is known that Samsung Electronics has successfully supplied its HBM products to major customers requiring AI memory, such as AMD and Intel.

Samsung Electronics has stated that it will not comment on the supply details with customers regarding the inspection issues related to NVIDIA.

"

wow what a shocker, samsung memory is total shit

[sly elk]

-chuckle-

so they're saying TSMC is trying to make Samsung look bad?

geez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ets-kpt7R-Q

it took longer for the firetrucks to show up than it did for everyone to get off the plane

honorable mention: The idiots in the comments saying the problem here is clearly diversity at boeing .... It's an airbus.....

[inland mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/breen-neil-breen-botw-collapse-tired-gif-26262352

[sly elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujGwk1ra_rU

GG

[deep sapphire]

Wasn’t there an issue with the oil pick up tube gasket getting sucked in and clogging it rofl

[dire viper]

something like that

but also non stop hard driving on a stock one will cook the car

toyota sells a bunch of performance parts for them under the GR brand name

cause apparently there is a lot of front end aero and an intercooler they couldnt do from the factory

just like how, for some dumb fucking reason, you cant get a roll cage from the factory in a car

so every 911 GT3 RS and 911 S/T sold in the US doesnt have a roll cage

which might be important in cars that are capable of setting world records on tracks

[sly elk]

i wonder if any normal cars can be driven like you stole it adn not damage them haha

that aren't a $70,000+ porsche or bmw 😛

[dire viper]

Very few

The issue is that, with Porsche, the engines are based off of motorsports designs

Mezgers engines were the foundation of everything good about the road going engines

And he knew a thing or two about engine designs, almost all of the Porsches that broke world endurance records had his engines in them

Same with the DCT, the PDK

It was being developed as early as 1993 iirc?

For racing use

So it was tested heavily at the limit for like a decade before it ended up in the 997.2 911 and 987.2 Boxster/Cayman

I mean you can buy an older M3 for cheap but it’s nowhere near as refined as even a cheap Porsche

Like a 987 Boxster or Cayman will still be driving around in the next 20 years

97% of Porsches built in the last 25 years are still on the road today, even the cheapo 986 and 996 are and those were built with the cheapest parts possible, outside of the engine, but the engines obviously have the IMS issue plus the little known coolant line issue

Porsche had literally never done a fully water cooled engine befor and just connected the rubber coolant lines to the aluminum sides on the engine with epoxy that can break down or basically melt at excessive heat soak ie track use

Lots of tracks don’t allow 986’s/996’s or super early 987’s/997’s unless they’ve had an aftermarket all aluminum coolant line installed via brazed connections

Well actually I think even the cheap AMG’s are very very drivable but I’m not sure

A few of the old AMG’s that can be had for 30k or less are faster than most V8 muscle cars today except for the obvious Hellcats

Cause SOHC V8’s in lightweight European chassis is peak

500hp, 500ftlbs, 3500lb car

[sly elk]

how about sohc v8 i a heavy sloppy american chassis

[dire viper]

Slow and bad cause that V8 somehow makes less hp with more displacement than the German one

Even if it doesn’t rev that high

Or it does rev really high and then it doesn’t matter anymore cause 1st and 2nd gear is all you need for the quarter instead of having to go through 4 gears like with a lot of American cars

Low rpm engines kinda cringe for any actual performance, they stretched out engines in TransAm to get more revs out of them

Some really cool high revving race 302ci engines from the 60’s and 70’s trans am

Chevy, Ford and Chrysler were cookin

Pushing 302’s and their pushrods to the limits

[odd sand]

Seems to be a consistent issue with Samsung these days: Shit TVs, appliances, memory, etc.

[sly elk]

and it explodes

there was the 970 evo parts swap, the 990 pro bad firmware, the exploding washers, fridges, note 7s, and jeep wrangler 4xe batteries

idk how samsung managed to make so many different things go kaboom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7e5Try38d4

[onyx gust]

So my Alienware m15 laptop finally died, or well close enough. Won't register being plugged in and charging. I so have a support ticket in and hopefully my Dell Support stuff will revive it...
But I've already been looking at upgrading to a desktop. My laptop has had so many issues. From ssd corrupting at 3 months old, cpu fan dying, laptop running way over hot, etc.
So
Looking at a new desktop going forward. I can build my own (went to a tech school for it), but I get so lost in all the numbers and stuff. Anyone have suggestions? Or know some good prebuilt ones? I usually like FFXIV on max often with visual mods. Other than that, I play Vindictus (still), Black Desert Online, Monster Hunter World, preparing to finally do Monster Hunter Rise, and Warframe mostly.

[paper tusk]

it's the same pants-on-head reason can't have more than 3 point seat belts from the factory in the US

[golden stream]

what's your budget?
what's your criteria?
what's the more required niche?

for those, the spec is actually quite simple tho I only need to know budget and niche (and possibly some more schizzo funni titbit that you're willing to pay like vtuber collab set or so ngl HYTE cases are decent even if they're in more expensive end)

[onyx gust]

Budget would be under $2000 though could go over it. Not sure on Criteria. I love gaming and playing on max graphics.

[golden stream]

criteria like, small form factor, or all-white build, or full RGB build, or anti RGB build, or anti-cat build, or anti toddle build, etc etc

[onyx gust]

Ah. Probably anti-cat. Nidus loves to hang out in our game room on our bean bag chair.

[golden stream]

oh ye and also region, for the sake of availability and also price as well

[lost python]

and what do you own already? like do you have a monitor and stuff you can use or does that have to be included in that budget?

[onyx gust]

USA
I have a monitor, mouse, and keyboard already

[lost python]

nice, lots to do with that budget then

id probably say something like this maybe?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CkGpsh

[onyx gust]

Alright. Thank you!

[hazy frost]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q32XQP

Cheaper but better

4080 super is like 20% faster than the 4070ti super for games

On average

[lost python]

not sure if i would really recommend the teamgroup MP44, given that just recently they have been caught selling this exact model with false specs and less than advertised cache

[hazy frost]

can also go for the msi m482 or p41 plus

similar prices

id probably get the m482 anyway bc it looks like its cheaper than the mp44l now

[deep sapphire]

Lmao holy shit wtf

How does a washing machine explode

Never heard of anything like that

[graceful sparrow]

3 years of not dusting my PC would make my pc perform worse yes?

[wise jay]

probably. unless you live in a clean room

[lost python]

really depends on how clogged the coolers are

and what temperatures you actually hit. if the temps are fine then dedusting wont make a difference

[graceful sparrow]

There is a fine layer of dust from what I've seen

[wise jay]

depends on what a fine layer of dust is. I get that in a month or so because of the airflow in my case. Solid chunks of dust in the case are another thing

[graceful sparrow]

It is pretty thin from what it feels like

I can still see the 1660 super

[wise jay]

worst case you blow it all out and nothing changes

I gave my step dad a pc a few years ago and it always has a layer of dust and it doesnt do any harm

[lost python]

would be really bad if you couldnt see your gpu anymore

but just look at your temperatures with HWinfo or something to be sure.
either way its good practice to regularly clean

until its too late and you got the annoying to remove chunks everywhere in the coolers

[graceful sparrow]

How do I check temp

[lost python]

with HWinfo or something

[graceful sparrow]

so these are my specs

[lost python]

there should be a button for sensors there, press it and show us what it says

[graceful sparrow]

I guess these?

@lost python

[lost python]

yeah and GPU should be there somewhere too

and then go play a game or something while its running and post screenshots of the temperatures afterwards

[graceful sparrow]

this is from from the start of the benchmark at the lowest settings

@lost python

hotspot is at 98 c

[real edge]

toasty

[lost python]

time to clean up

[graceful sparrow]

So yeah, clean it would help ey?

[lost python]

probably

really depends on how dirty it is, but it will certainly not make it any worse

[graceful sparrow]

In a bit of an awkward position

[royal forge]

Get a can of compressed air and just blast

[graceful sparrow]

I don't have a can

[golden stream]

do you have a vacuum cleaner that has blow option?

[graceful sparrow]

no

I'm probably gonna take my PC to a PC store to swap some of the parts cause I really like the case

[royal forge]

Do NOT use a vaccuum cleaner for PCs

Iirc they generate static charges

[graceful sparrow]

All I have is like

these

[hazy frost]

yeah do not do that

ever

[hazy frost]

just buy a can of compressed air your pc will survive until it comes

theyre pretty inexpensive

[graceful sparrow]

I think I should get one with those lookin mosquito nozzle yes?

[hazy frost]

idk which u mean

[hazy frost]

something like that

[golden stream]

Ngl canned air is a bit tricky to find in here

[wise jay]

ya I got an electric blower years ago

[graceful sparrow]

There is a PC Mall in Hong Kong I could check to see there

[golden stream]

I usually use a brush and dust off, but that's bc my rig is quite accessible

Oh, can check if they have any can blower

[graceful sparrow]

I do have an Anti static brush that I use for my model kits

[wise jay]

ya I also got a camera lens brush a long time ago that I use

[royal forge]

I wouldnt bother tbh, if u mean the one thats like a feather duster

Doesnt REALLY clean the dust off

Personal experience

[dire viper]

@deep sapphire

[deep sapphire]

Jesus Christ

[lost python]

lol random german

"just like the model X we have a sunscreen which is magnetic.... it falls apart. thats embarassing"

[inland mauve]

cyber truck?

[lost python]

seems like it

[dire viper]

Yep

Also the world needs more Itasha Porsches

[sharp star]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/intel-unlocks-ultra-fast-pc-to-pc-with-thunderbolt-share.html#gs.8wapcb the children yearn for the Game Boy

[dire viper]

Hasn’t thunderbolt been a thing for a minute

Or is this just even faster

[dire viper]

The whole intake and exhaust setup on the 944 GTR is wild

[hard drift]

Thunderbolt has been a thing but not pc to pc pretty sure

[dire viper]

Oh PC to PC

[umbral moss]

So they've caught up to ethernet

[pine thistle]

I love the massive gap above it, perfect for the sun to shine in

[cerulean talon]

They've caught up to cross-over cables. xD

[dire viper]

its not bad cause you have a strip of tinted glass at the top like most cars do

its also at a weird angle so the light has to shine through like triple the actual glass thickness which is better

still tho

[odd sand]

Unlike previous releases in the Xperia 1 series, Sony isn’t planning to release the Xperia 1 VI in the US.

[dire viper]

funny as hell it just falls apart

[dire viper]

wtf why

[odd sand]

https://tenor.com/view/motherfucker-mother-the-office-michael-scott-happy-gif-16479777

[dire viper]

fuck Sony ueghgh

[pine thistle]

yeah, gonna be great getting bonked when trying to lower it while driving

[odd sand]

I actually wanted to get it bc the changes they made for this year sounded good and my battery life is dying on mine after 5 years

[umbral moss]

The Xperia sells like five phones a year to confused grandmas at best buy lmao

[dire viper]

does the new Xperia still have the 1 inch camera sensor

[odd sand]

I wonder what bands it uses, maybe I could import it and use it anyways.

[zealous wolf]

so ive been playing around with overclocking my ram, but im not sure if i should fiddle around with the timings

[dire viper]

cause the main appeal to me is that the Xperia we can get in the US comes with a full size sony sensor

[odd sand]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/16/24158174/sony-xperia-1-vi-flagship-smartphone-photography-price-availability

[dire viper]

it means you dont gotta carry around a camera most of the time

[umbral moss]

Of all the things Sony makes, their mobile is fucking terrible and poorly marketed despite them being the oem for the camera sensors for almost every fucking camera

[dire viper]

48 megapixel holy

[umbral moss]

Like, the ad copy writes itself

[dire viper]

all they need to do is let me put a 300mm lens on it

[umbral moss]

"shot on iPhone? We made that"

[dire viper]

why does Sony just not have a brain

like

you spent the last few decades jerking off the american market and now you just dont wanna release products we have been begging for?

whoever is in charge of Sony NA should be put on the chopping block fr

[umbral moss]

Not their fault, the megacorp cartels made it impossible for them to actually sell the fucking thing here

The real reason windows phone died is because Verizon refused to carry them and wanted Microsoft to pay for all the stupid certifications for them

[dire viper]

just sell that shit online

you cant walk into a place and buy an Xperia usually anyways

[umbral moss]

Samsung, Apple, and google are the only ones that play ball so they can be put on the networks

[umbral moss]

Great, you bought a $1300 brick because you can't put it on any us based cell network

[dire viper]

shrug

[umbral moss]

You aren't selling a product to customers, you're selling a product to four three unaccountable megacorps that control the entire industry and how visible your product can be

[dire viper]

consider. nuclear payload.

[umbral moss]

They tell you they aren't going to carry or support it, you aren't allowed to play

[dire viper]

August 20th 2023

[dire viper]

they're doing sales on the Xperia PRO rn

[umbral moss]

$1800 original price

[dire viper]

they havent been 1800 since the month they came out lol

[umbral moss]

That camera is not $1800 worth

[dire viper]

Sony has had them listed for 1200 for a long time

false discount type shit

[umbral moss]

For $1200 you can get an iPhone 15

[dire viper]

why would I do that

iPhone doesnt kick out raw image data

also isnt the default iOS image format .jpg and not png

[odd sand]

It's possible you could enable other bands in firmware. I know for a number of the Galaxy phones you can get into the service menu by flashing the firmware and then enabling them

[dire viper]

give me raw so I can edit it, then let me export as a png

[cerulean talon]

They finally added this to 12+ phones as ProRaw.

[umbral moss]

The LG v2 did this and I used it exactly zero times as a raw shooter lmao

[dire viper]

oh really

does it not get butchered

[cerulean talon]

They export both a butchered and RAW.

[dire viper]

cause ive seen newer iphone pictures and it just crunches them on export

[cerulean talon]

Yeah, you have to enable it, and I think it's pro only

[dire viper]

ofc

[odd sand]

So it's possible you could import the phone as long as your provider is willing to onboard the device. The LTE bands for the Europe model seem to broadly overlap with the US, so it's probably good for 4G, but I'm on verizon and its 5g bands would only be available on n5 and n77

[cerulean talon]

But if you don't have a real camera handy, it's probally fine-ish.

[dire viper]

yea

well, I already know how to mess with sony stuff so I would prefer that

and raw is massively better for car stuff

[cerulean talon]

Ye.

[dire viper]

iOS just sucks

[cerulean talon]

I'm slowly learning my a7

I got some great shots during the eclipse, but I really needed a telescope to get things cleaned up more. 😦

[hazy frost]

isnt the s24u the same

[umbral moss]

High pixel counts in a 1 inch sensor

[hazy frost]

xperia would be cool if it wasnt 21:9 and they had more ram on the 5

like the 5V is £800 and it has 8gb ram and lacking telephoto

and the 1V is too big for me to use every day

especially with the goofy aspect ratio

[odd sand]

They scrapped the 5 for the new gen. It's only going to be 10 VI and 1 VI

[hazy frost]

sony forgetting theyre making a phone attached to the camera tbh

[dire viper]

thats fine by me

literally only use my phone for music, pictures and youtube

[umbral moss]

Mid tier hardware with ultra premium price

[hazy frost]

limiting t heir market when it wouldnt be hard to make it also functional as a flagship tier phone

rn its niche for photography

[cerulean talon]

My phone is mostly just a remote control for other devices at this point, and bad 2fa systems. xD

[hazy frost]

and is otherwise pretty mid

[deep sapphire]

Yeah Sony phones are trash that’s why they don’t even have 1 percent market share

Way too expensive for what they are

[umbral moss]

They're only competing with themselves in the pocket camera segment lmao

[hazy frost]

id buy the 1V if it wasnt 21:9 and like huge

i cant buy any of the 7" phones

[umbral moss]

Why would you buy an Xperia over the rx series?

[dire viper]

mmm full size sensor

[odd sand]

I don't think they're trash, I simply think the phone market is super hard to break into with the oligopoly that Apple and Samsung have

[hazy frost]

its really annoying i cant get a 6" phone with the better specs still

[umbral moss]

For the same price you can get what, the rx vii?

[hazy frost]

why is everything so big

[dire viper]

america literally

[hazy frost]

i mean google as well

now

[umbral moss]

Because people can stream 4k porn to their phones

[odd sand]

What is an rx?

[hazy frost]

pixel 8 pro is another phone id buy if it wasnt obnoxiously large

i dont have big hands

[umbral moss]

What's their compact camera line? I thought it was r or rx

[dire viper]

the phone arms race so you can show off to your fellow yuppies the brand new smart watch and phone you bought

[hazy frost]

im probably going to e nd up buying a refurbished iphone 13p tbh

bc i can actually fit it in my hand

[dire viper]

and obviously smaller = cheaper = ur poor

also why does my XR have less battery life than my grandpas 4

[odd sand]

Sure, but that's mostly bc they use it as a tech incubator for Android and they want to gobble up all your data. But basically you have Apple and Galaxy taking up 90% of the Verizon store and Pixel gets like 5ft of counter space, and that's almost it.

[dire viper]

like

u tellin me apple aint doin this shit on purpose

[hazy frost]

i dont believe that at all

[odd sand]

There are plenty of decent phones out there but the market share graph is fucking logarithmic

[umbral moss]

Google sucks and the only good thing about pixel is that it doesn't have a bullshit skin on it

[hazy frost]

it doesnt help that they keep forcing new OS updates that are more demanding on older phones now

[dire viper]

my phone battery is so shit

[hazy frost]

which makes everything worse

[umbral moss]

Bring back windows phone you fucking cowards

[dire viper]

like

[hazy frost]

probably bc the phone is like 6 years old

[hazy frost]

idk man

people expect too much

[odd sand]

Ironically enough, that is why I like sticking with niche market share brands: I like that I don't get 7 years of OS updates turning my phone to mud.

[hazy frost]

if u want ur phone to not be a brick after 6 years youre out of luck

[dire viper]

my battery health was like 95% then an update came out and it dropped to 80% and now every app I use is EXTREMELY intensive when they used to not be

a few apps that havent updated even

[hazy frost]

people complained about not getting software support for as long

so now this happens

and i still cant even get the newest version anyway so some apps just dont work regardless

[dire viper]

im just gonna buy an iphone 4

[hazy frost]

im either gonna get like the s24 or iphone 13 pro

[dire viper]

I had an iphone 4 until the XR came out and I had less problems with that than I have ever had with the XR

my grandpa has his iphone 4 still like I said

[odd sand]

My Xperia Z3 came with 5.0 and got 5.1 and that's it. Was still moderately fast almost 5 years later. Same with my Razer Phone2 that is 5 years old: Went from 9 to 10 and that's it. The only time I can tell it's dragging is if I log into Star Rail to do dailies if im not at home

[umbral moss]

But what about ai?

[hazy frost]

yeah but the iphone 4 wont run any of the stuff the xr will lol

[dire viper]

have they considered not feature creeping and making a worse product

[umbral moss]

Your phone can read all your data and tell you false information

[hazy frost]

my X is getting particularly slow now

its been 7 ye ars

i have like 72% battery health

[dire viper]

also how can they justify a 1000 dollar phone

I dont get it anymore

I can buy two running cars for that

[hazy frost]

bc every company does

[dire viper]

two running cars about to enter the nearest apple store

[hazy frost]

thats irrelevant tho

[umbral moss]

Collusion

[hazy frost]

they dont care what else u can buy

[odd sand]

OTOH you don't have to buy the $1000 phone. There are plenty of handsets in the $250-350 range.

[dire viper]

we ram raiding every apple store in the US

[hazy frost]

i could buy 6 LCD monitors instead of an oled one too

but like

[odd sand]

Or you could buy a used flagship from a few years ago.

[hazy frost]

they still exist

bc its a premium product

[hazy frost]

idk why no one does this

wait a year after release buy used flagship for 30% less money

lasts u like 4-5 years

[umbral moss]

Because it was probably used in the toilet

[hazy frost]

also phones last way longer now tbh

[dire viper]

the only reason I would buy a new phone is if the XR dies or I can get a good deal on a phone with a good camera cause thats literally all that matters to me

[odd sand]

Doesn't even need to be used, could be new old-stock

[dire viper]

idc about crazy displays

[hazy frost]

$1000 phone will easily go 6+ years now

my iphone 6 would never

[odd sand]

I paid $750 for my RP2

[umbral moss]

I can't wait to get rid of this pixel 6

[dire viper]

THE IPHONE 4 DID

[hazy frost]

apple sells old phones refurbished

[dire viper]

return to iphone 4

[hazy frost]

iphone 13p is £750

[umbral moss]

I could have shit in my hand and it would be a better phone

[dire viper]

14 year old phone going strong

[hazy frost]

a brand new iphone 15 with the worse display and camera is £800+

[dire viper]

I remember when apple wasnt shit

I remember the ipod

[hazy frost]

isnt that arguably one of the worst ones theyve made

[odd sand]

Problem with Apple is the used market is ridiculously strong for them as well so you don't get decent prices on them until they're like 4-5 years old.

[hazy frost]

apple efficiency is kind of crazy tho

across macbooks and phones

[dire viper]

yea cause everybody has to own an apple

[hazy frost]

why dont u just buy smth else

why do u ca re

its not like theres not several good options besides them

[dire viper]

cause its annoying as hell to spend in excess of 500 dollars on a product that last nowhere near as long as it should

what happened to shame

[sly elk]

my favorite iOS bug: If you have an iphone/ipad with a physical home button and you use an alphanumeric password... when you first boot the phone it'll ask for your password but it won't show you the keyboard to type it in

[hazy frost]

i mean

it does last as long as it should lol

[sly elk]

you have to hit the power button to turn off the screen adn then hit the home button to wake it up

[hazy frost]

and if ur not happy just buy a cheaper phone?

[cerulean talon]

When I was actively contracting, it was seen poorly by clients to not own apple devices. That was an annoying time in my life.

[hazy frost]

premium products have premium price tag is not a new concept

[sly elk]

i thought that was just my work iphone 8 tripping, but my bro's ipad 9 does it too

[dire viper]

I cant buy a cheap phone cause I want a camera that works!

why are we putting shelf life on hardware

[odd sand]

I would hope so, considering they designed their own SoC and the OS for it, so they have pretty much as tight of an integration as one can have.

[umbral moss]

This is still a thing because people associate apple with premium/luxury

[hazy frost]

ok so u want a premium feature without paying the price for it

like

[umbral moss]

It's just expensive

[sly elk]

as for iphones and lasting

[dire viper]

put good camera in phone thats mid at everything else

for a reasonable price

its not hard

[sly elk]

hmm.. I retired my xs at 4.5 years old because it was starting to bother me

[umbral moss]

That's the Xperia line lmao

[dire viper]

wow these 1 inch camera sensors that literally cost less than 10 dollars per unit

[cerulean talon]

Yeah, it's annoying AF. My roomie's finding out about this in the car communites they're part of, because they're aiming to photograph stuff, and people are not as interested because while they've got a DSLR, they don't have an iPhone. xD

[hazy frost]

xperia

lol

[odd sand]

So you have 2 phones and carry the iPhone to work then /s

[sly elk]

like the screen started to separate in one corner and the battery was acting odd

[dire viper]

yea and its expensive af

[cerulean talon]

I did this for a little while.

[dire viper]

if you want a compact camera with a good sensor you also pay a lot of money

probably too much

[umbral moss]

It's statistically true for dating too lmao

[sly elk]

that is obnoxious

I HATE phone brand snobs

[hazy frost]

u want camera quality of a standalone camera but wont pay a premium

again

[umbral moss]

People will judge you harsher if they're an iPhone user and you aren't

[hazy frost]

skill issue

[dire viper]

like I love my Rebel T5 but gahdamn do I not like carrying it around everywhere

[odd sand]

Maybe I'm not a phone power user, but what makes a phone "mid at everything else"? It has the same Snapdragon CPU as the other flagship phones so

[hazy frost]

the phones u want exist u just think its too expensive bc u dont wanna buy it

[dire viper]

sometimes I see a cool ass Coot at the local pond and I dont have my Rebel in my car and its just RIP

[umbral moss]

Broken screens too lmao

[sly elk]

I don't own an iphone 15, I have an iphone 13 and the camera on that doesn't hold a candle to my panasonic s5

then again the lens cost more than the phone did

[dire viper]

yes

[hazy frost]

the only person i know who got made fun of had a £60 phone off amazon that froze when u made a phone call

[dire viper]

Panasonic's are nice

[cerulean talon]

This is the real problem. xD

[umbral moss]

I remember Xperia being like two gens back compared to flagship phones

[sly elk]

yeaaa but

[hazy frost]

very fair comparison

surely

[dire viper]

we hate culture

[sly elk]

the camera+lens cost about the same as 2 iphone 15 pros

[dire viper]

also why is phone more money than GPU

[hazy frost]

that camera costs significantly more

so like

[dire viper]

phone made with cheap parts

[cerulean talon]

Tbh, now I just do iPhone because they're faster to replace.

[hazy frost]

crazy its better

who wouldve thought

[sly elk]

yea but it'll easily last me 10 years. easily.

the camera it replaced is >10 years old

[dire viper]

I just find it amusing how bloated the prices are cause iirc a lot of base iphones are like, 250 cost

[hazy frost]

yes but all it does is take photos as well

which isnt even the same reason u buy a phone

[umbral moss]

Cameras last longer because you only expect them to take pictures

[dire viper]

2.5-4x cost is crazy margin

[sly elk]

right

[umbral moss]

Stonks must go up

[sly elk]

but I can buy a phone that doesn't take great pictures and save some $$

idk lol

[cerulean talon]

Sorta what I did with my roomie, they inherited all my canon DSLR stuff when I got my a7rV

[umbral moss]

Apple isn't a trillion dollar company because they make a good product

[hazy frost]

if u want to but ur still spending money replacing phones and spent money on the camera too

so

[sly elk]

indeed

[dire viper]

yea but carrying around a camera sucks

[sly elk]

-shrug-

[umbral moss]

They make a high margin product and convince people it's a good product 👍

[sly elk]

but i get better pictures when I do ^_^

[dire viper]

this is the reality of using a camera

[hazy frost]

tbh the iphone 15 is like one of the first good phones theyve made in a while

[cerulean talon]

I don't mind it much, but I generally only take it when I'm planning on shooting something.

[dire viper]

I gotta carry around like

3 lenses

[umbral moss]

Same

[cerulean talon]

My phone's fine for anything non-planned.

[dire viper]

I wish I had two bodies sometimes

[sly elk]

ahh i just carry one lens lol

[umbral moss]

My d500 lives in my tool closet until I know I'm going to use it

[hazy frost]

spend 2x as much and get better pictures is what id expect lol

[sly elk]

of course

[dire viper]

especially when you have to take pictures at a rapid pace or things just happen

[hazy frost]

if u got the same quality id be upset with that

[umbral moss]

35mm for apsc is fine

[dire viper]

so you got the fisheye to 50 on one body and then the 75-300 on another

[celest violet]

I feel like I just suck at taking pictures because they look the same as my old phone lmao

[umbral moss]

Light and good enough for most "oh shit, did you see that?" photos

[dire viper]

sometimes you feelin freaky and you bring the 500

[sly elk]

i use a 28-70mm and the s5 is full frame

[hazy frost]

i still have an eos 650d and some extra lenses i bought used but im not going to carry it around every day in case i wanna take pictures either

[sly elk]

admittedly

[umbral moss]

Why are you hauling around 6kg of glass as a general shooter

[sly elk]

i still sometimes want a pocket camera because

[cerulean talon]

I usually leave the 28-70 on, carry a 35 and a 85 or swap the 85 to a 100-400 if I want something longer.

[sly elk]

ya know back in the day before smartphones.....

I actually did that lmao

[umbral moss]

Like carrying a goddamn grenade launcher just in case you need to blow up a bunker

[hazy frost]

ill take my 650d when i KNOW im out to try and take pictures

but like

thats not all that often

[sly elk]

i'd carry my flip phone, a canon elph, and an ipod in my pocket

[cerulean talon]

Wait, this isn't the answer? xD

[sly elk]

true story lmao

[dire viper]

aktually you would use an SPG

[hazy frost]

the quality of modern phone cameras is good enough

[dire viper]

nothings more cringe than the stupid photo enhancement phone cameras do

[sly elk]

but the interface sucks and I think the quality has somehow gotten worse due to post processing

[dire viper]

what brand got in trouble for that

[sly elk]

but really

[dire viper]

cause they said they didnt do it

but they did

[sly elk]

that's just my opinion and it's a very unpopular one

[cerulean talon]

Depends on what you want the photo's for. If I'm taking my camera out, I'm shooting something that I consider it important enough I want to preserve.

[hazy frost]

xperia phones are fine

[umbral moss]

Apple still does it with the front camera

[sly elk]

NOBODY USES THOSE

[dire viper]

its so cringe

[hazy frost]

i specifically said this just before

[odd sand]

Xperia 1 VI is using the Qualcomm SM8650-AB which is basically the same as in the Galaxy Ultra except Samsung has a special snowflake variant labeled the AC where they OC'd the prime core by .1ghz and underclocked all the other cores slightly to compensate thermally.

[umbral moss]

If you take selfies using the camera app and not snap or insta it applies this weird fisheye compensation effect

[sly elk]

the xperia 1 phones are an anomaly

[cerulean talon]

Whoops, missed it while bouncing through. xD

[hazy frost]

i know 3 people atl who have the current ones

[dire viper]

Xperia 1 PRO

[hazy frost]

i hate the aspect ratio and screen resolution tanks the battery life

[sly elk]

the hard part there is

it's a sony

[hazy frost]

but its a good camera

[cerulean talon]

Samsung was meme'ing the moon for awhile where it would ID the moon then overlay impossible graphics.

[hazy frost]

the 5V shouldve been wayyy better tho

[hazy frost]

doesnt it still do that

[dire viper]

I would rather dump the money on a Hasselblad than buy a modern phone

[cerulean talon]

No idea, I don't use samsung.

[sly elk]

I know "It's a sony" means a lot to some people but to me it means "it's going to fall apart after the warranty ends"

[odd sand]

Thing is, 98% of people aren't artists/photographers, so they don't care. They just want something that looks nice for Insta or Tiktok

[sly elk]

which is a bummer because their stuff is incredibly good sometimes

[hazy frost]

someone just make a phone with good specs that isnt huge pls

[cerulean talon]

I need larger phones, tia.

[sly elk]

but anyway yea the xperia phones are an anomaly

[cerulean talon]

pro maxes are too smol.

[hazy frost]

i want to be able to reach the corners of my phone

[dire viper]

return to ipod

[sly elk]

when people say phone they mean samsung or apple

[hazy frost]

and the mini was too small

i just want

[sly elk]

and both suck 😄

[hazy frost]

the current base model size

[sly elk]

(and that's what I happen to own, as well)

[hazy frost]

with a better camera

id pay the same price idc

[dire viper]

I think 9000 dollars for an entry level Hasselblad is more worth than 1200 dollars for a shitty flagship phone

[sly elk]

might I suggest a galaxy fold

[hazy frost]

i just want it to exist

[odd sand]

https://www.amazon.com/IIIF150-Pro-Rugged-Smartphone-Unlocked/dp/B0CQFTL9B4/

[sly elk]

hear me out. When unfolded the screen is giant and you'll never reach the corners with 1 hand anyway.

but when it's folded the phone is narrow

[hazy frost]

im never buying one of the samsung folding screens unless theyve fixed which hinges they use

[odd sand]

Buy a brick

[sly elk]

They haven't 😄

[hazy frost]

the creasing is still a problem then

pain

[sly elk]

It sure is 😄

[hazy frost]

oh well

[sly elk]

I have a stupid $11/mo warranty on mine and I've already replaced it once

[hazy frost]

lol

[odd sand]

Yeah I can't stand the look of the crease so I will never buy one

[sly elk]

on the plus side, they didn't charge me a replacement fee

[hazy frost]

im looking to pay < £800 for my new one

[sly elk]

oh also that

[hazy frost]

which isnt a lot that also has a decent camera

[sly elk]

in the US after a few months you can buy those phones much much cheaper

[dire viper]

the fold phones are peak for working on cars

[sly elk]

like i paid 800 USD for mine

[hazy frost]

the fold phones would be great if they like didnt use shit hinge design

[cerulean talon]

Still only 6.7/6.8-ish. I'd like something closer to like 7.5.

[dire viper]

can have small screen under the car with you

[hazy frost]

they still havent learned

[sly elk]

i would not dare spend the MSRP on a folding phone

they aren't worth it

[dire viper]

with a wiring diagram

[hazy frost]

i wouldnt spend msrp on any phone

really

rn all i consider is like maybe the s24+

[sly elk]

for $250 you can get an ipad 9 or $350 you can get an ipad 10

[cerulean talon]

But I'm definately on the extreme side of phone sizes. 😄

[hazy frost]

6.1" is good

[dire viper]

thats too big

[cerulean talon]

6.1 is way too small for me.

[odd sand]

Yeah if I did want to import the Sony phone, it would probably be best to wait for fall when you get holiday sales

[sly elk]

going back to your earlier comment about people thinking less of you for not using an iphone: It's funnier still when you hae an expensive android phone

because some of the $1000 phones like the xperias cannot be had with carrier financing

[hazy frost]

my phone is being an ass now and i keep putting off replacing it

[sly elk]

so in reality they're kind of a flex

-gets out $1500 xperia 1v paid for with cash-

client: OH EW YOU POOR PERSON

[hazy frost]

the sd card is cool tbh

i wish the 5v was good

[sly elk]

-client gets out iphone 15 pro max they got for $500 with 36 mo financing from AT&T-

[dire viper]

lmao

[cerulean talon]

I was always carrying a OnePlus until I went android, but I always pay up front, screw the carrier financing.

[dire viper]

yea

caring about phones is pure pettiness

[hazy frost]

i always buy phones outright

like most things

[dire viper]

brand allegiences are even worse

[hazy frost]

i dont like paying m onthly for stuff

[hazy frost]

tbf all phones are like same thing now so if u grew up using one phone then u have no reason to consider other brands

like no one offers significant advantages to make u wanna switch

[sly elk]

I mean

[hazy frost]

its all the same thing except niche uses

[dire viper]

idk maybe if you eat crayons and cant handle swapping over to something different

[hazy frost]

and those users are the minority of the market

[sly elk]

I consider android phones more fun to play with because there's more weird ones

like folding phones, gaming phones, the xperia camera phones

[hazy frost]

yeah but this is like 0.1% of people

most people grew up on android or ios and now when they buy a new phone its like

wow theyre all the same

[sly elk]

but i have an iphone 13, too... because I love my apple watch

[hazy frost]

so why would i s witch

[dire viper]

yes I use apple products exclusively and I also have an apple watch

[sly elk]

lol it is true

[hazy frost]

and they buy same thing again

[sly elk]

i 'grew up' with android phones

because t-mobile didn't have iphones until the 5s

[hazy frost]

im not saying everyone does it

but realistically its most people

[sly elk]

or was it the 4s? i forgot

[hazy frost]

and phone market is boring as hell generally

[dire viper]

I didnt grow up with anything cause my family was poor

I had like an ipod

until the 4 came out

got a 4

[hazy frost]

i had an iphone 5 for a while

[dire viper]

couldnt afford anything until the XR

[sly elk]

I had t-mobile because it was a lot cheaper than at&t or verizon lol

a lot

[dire viper]

XR was a piece of shit since day one

[sly elk]

like $30/mo when the other carriers wanted $75 for an iphone plan

[hazy frost]

nothing is cheap anymore

[dire viper]

wish I didnt have to have a phone period

[hazy frost]

my phone is worth like nothing now so idk what im even gonna do with it

[dire viper]

Im probably gonna buy a walkman

[hazy frost]

maybe just keep it

[sly elk]

i'm using google fi for my family right now lol, it is fairly cheap still

[dire viper]

we love ewaste

[sly elk]

could do cheaper with prepaid though

[dire viper]

we love planned obsolescence

[hazy frost]

i mean even if its not planned it will always end up that way

unless u want tech to like just stagnate forever

[dire viper]

its all been down hill since the atari 😔

[sly elk]

also

[hazy frost]

also i got 7 years out of my phone i cannot talk shit about it

[sly elk]

if you think that phones only lasting about 4 years is bad you should've seen computers in the 90s lol

[hazy frost]

was like £800

[odd sand]

But you also get what you pay for. Tmo was the meme choice for a long time. They got better after the Sprint merger, but are still the worst coverage out of the major providers.

[hazy frost]

theres finally an oled monitor under £750 new in the UK

but it has no reviews

do i buy it

[dire viper]

yea real

[hazy frost]

its coolermaster so probably not

itll have something wrong with it until they do 9 firmware updates

[odd sand]

Although at this point they might be better than US Cellular. My friend is on them and on our crosscountry trip I needed to give him a hotspot from my verizon phone bc once we were on I-80 he basically had data dropping out constantly.

[sly elk]

I remember. Though really, verizon was better by a lot (especially on the eastern half of the US). In my corner of california at the time, T-Mobile and Sprint were about the same, and AT&T was just a tiny bit better until the iphone came out - and then it was regularly worse because their towers were more likely to be slammed with iphone users

[dire viper]

T-Mobile never gave me good service

[sly elk]

but I do remember verizon always worked everywhere

[dire viper]

I got better service outside of their service map than I did in it LMAO

[sly elk]

t-mo and sprint were kind of a toss-up lol

[dire viper]

I would get service like 4 hours out in the middle of nowhere in the rocky mountains

but I couldnt get service in my neighborhood

[odd sand]

It was sad but also funny whenever I would go to like a sporting event, or a game convention etc. you'd see ppl frustrated at their phone/no coverage/overloaded and it was always the Tmo users

[sly elk]

AT&T would often work places that t-mobile and sprint didn't, unless you were at like a ball game or in downtown SF

and then you'd have better luck with t-mobile or sprint if you had a signal

[dire viper]

I got Consumer Cellular rn

it works

[sly elk]

yea I'm telling ya it was the opposite in my experience, it was at&t users lol

because the iphones >>

[odd sand]

That's why I've always kept Verizon is bc you got coverage way out into the boonies. Although I think it's a little worse since they dropped CDMA bc you don't have 3G to fall back to and I don't think the LTE propagates as far

[sly elk]

but our timing may not be aligning here XD

i remember when verizon was a luxury brand hahahaha

like

people wanted the stupid verizon logo on the back of their phone

but also that shit was hella expensive

[cerulean talon]

I remember when nextel was still good. xD

[sly elk]

I will NEVER associate those beep boop motorola push-to-talk noises with a good thing ever ever

[cerulean talon]

The walkie-talkie function was great during that era.

Bahahaha.

[dire viper]

return to pagers

[cerulean talon]

They're still in good use.

[dire viper]

ik

a lot of companies use them for management stuff

like in warehouses

[cerulean talon]

Medical is where I brushed against them a ton.

[dire viper]

oh yea real

[cerulean talon]

And faxes. So many faxes.

[dire viper]

LOL

[cerulean talon]

HIPAA's wording is so dumb. ;.;

[dire viper]

the local ferrari dealer had a vintage car for sale and someone bought it via fax

[hazy frost]

Period correct buyer

[dire viper]

when I worked at the ford dealership we also had ppl who would have us fax everything

like we would have to build a spreadsheet of the parts they bought and then fax it

[celest violet]

The stuff for my embedded systems class arrived today.
Some Texas instruments board, and a bunch of materials to connect it with a bread board.
Let's just hope the class is easy 😭

[cerulean talon]

Good luck! Embedded systems are fun.

[celest violet]

I wasn't the best at C++ and barely got the A because of pity points. I know this is just regular C and it's different by a little, I just hope he's very generous with instructions 💀

The text book for the course is one he is actively writing

Only 3 chapters all first draft

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/wPmuAfoO4ig?si=z1BJRHXRv2DrulVh

this thing makes my mouth water

[cerulean talon]

That's annoying :/

[celest violet]

He's a good professor, I had him for logic systems and design and that's like my favorite class I've ever had so I got faith.
But summer being less weeks means I might be crammed

[cerulean talon]

That's good at the least!

[dire viper]

I wish automotive design and engineering classes werent super gatekept

like there is a lot of info to know prior, like basic engineering principles, but a lot of classes require recommendations and even then they only pick people with ins already lol

[celest violet]

I'm not sure if you mean like an average university or something higher up, but some Uni's like mine just have motorsports as a mech E concentration

Although I guess that's more racing than general

Similar concepts I'd imagine

[sly elk]

lol https://jalopnik.com/2025-volvo-ex90-puts-safety-and-luxury-at-the-forefront-1851480487

so much for buttons

if you took the screen out the dashboard would kinda look like a urinal

the 2025 explorer has that urinal dashboard thing going on, too

i guess it's an improvement over the last one

[deep sapphire]

god im sick of these ugly digital gauge clusters

[sly elk]

I dislike them

that ford one looks kinda carplay-ish

i'd rather have the analog gauges

[deep sapphire]

if they used an oled display it might be forgivable but it looks like a shitty LCD panel rofl

https://youtube.com/shorts/2Ne1e6TSHXc?si=hA1VlNRQpCPfJ72V how do you have road rage at 2 in the morning

https://youtube.com/shorts/R4KL5U2WqNg?si=99LSBzhm4r1xKtQH @potent arrow lmao

[potent arrow]

golden lmao

[deep sapphire]

Smh 2 of them were cleary used but I guess for 120 bucks I can’t complain that much a new set costs 250

[modest moss]

were they sold as used/refurb?

[odd sand]

I take it Snap-on are one of the few brands that haven't enshittified their product quality yet?

[deep sapphire]

nah sold as new

[deep sapphire]

nope, they are still one of the best tool brands and still made in america

[modest moss]

go full karen and get a partial refund

[dire viper]

I mean bluepoint is just Snap On but Japanese and Taiwanese

kind of a weird brand

none of their tools are bad from my experience but also I never was doctrinated into the snap on truck so I dont have 50k in debt on tools

[deep sapphire]

most people dont need snap on but when it comes to line wrenches they are all shit unless you spend a lot

[kindred brook]

Damn killer deal

[deep sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJjc09MXpuw

[sly elk]

java 8... that's what i was thinking lol

[dire viper]

Oh maybe I should update java

[dire viper]

Yes

[odd sand]

They do a weird thing where they continue to maintain Java8 for like, legacy reasons or something? And then have the "new hotness" version that doesn't do point releases at all and chooses to only use whole numbers like they're a web browser or something. So you'll have Java 8u293 or whatever they're on now, and then Java78000

[dire viper]

Yes

Sounds about right

[odd sand]

JFC ... no, that comic is actually spot on: They decided to maintain more older versions at compatability checkpoints or something!

[sly elk]

it's like a linux distro

[odd sand]

It's not just 8 and the newest... now it's 8 11 17 lol

[sly elk]

bah sddenly i remember whta happened to red hat 😭

[odd sand]

They make Ansible, which is neato at least

[dire viper]

Whatever the most used versions of Java probably so companies don’t lose their shit

[odd sand]

I assume there were some sort of compatibility breakpoints at each of those versions for development, so they're rolling in any improvements into the older versions that don't break compatibility and any security fixes.

I'm glad I don't have to bother developing in Java though, it's so wordy compared to even C#

[jaunty nacelle]

the corporate world would fall apart if they had to migrate

oracle's making big bucks

[odd sand]

I guess we can't complain about them too much when you consider what a mess python compatibility can be

[lost python]

i hate huge burgers

cant even eat this shit

[jaunty nacelle]

I don't believe comparing Java 8 10 year old legacy to Python is reasonable

[sly elk]

https://old.reddit.com/r/battlestations/comments/1ctxc5p/any_obvious_areas_in_need_of_improvement_im_a_bit/

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[modern iris]

essentially everyone who bought into java in the late 90s is now not only stuck with their monolithic code bases, but now bc of maintenance and frequent updates, they have no reason to move!

they even added lambda functions to keep it not completely antiquated to newer versions, huh

[buoyant wasp]

https://twitter.com/TheBobPony/status/1791391041913790513?s=19

Bob Pony ✨ (@TheBobPony) on X

Nearly 23 years later of Windows XP's release, a Windows modder from Germany has patched Windows XP to work on 486 processors.

Forum thread: https://t.co/1e2dsYZG9w

Patched ISO (German): https://t.co/Ftv9pvzVtY

Twitter · May 17, 2024, 8:51 AM

[sharp star]

https://x.com/FlorkOfCows/status/1791441501978820978

Flork (@FlorkOfCows) on X

Twitter · May 17, 2024, 12:11 PM

[deep sapphire]

Lmao that’s amazing

I wonder if they can get it working on a 486 SX

[odd sand]

Question is: How much does the desktop chug, let alone apps?

Although he does have 128mb ram in there, which is a ridiculous amount for that era of PC so I suppose in his specific case it probably works decently.

Normally you were looking at around 8-16mb ram at the time I think?

[deep sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDmXBKZXqf0

lmao they tried it with a pentium overdrive

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/5J3H8--CQRE?si=FGOVhVZTqXtcqN_6 @deep sapphire @sly elk @umbral moss

[deep sapphire]

@dire viper bought this vacuum bleeder kit and got the new lines all tight and snug

went for a drive

muuuuch better

deleted the useless ABS system too (those trucks only had RW anti lock brakes and they are notorious for doing fuck all and giving you a soft pedal)

that vacuum bleeder might be one of the best tools I've ever bought holy shit that made bleeding my brakes so easy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156716884461371392/1241098975138807958/IMG_0240.mov?ex=6648f6fe&is=6647a57e&hm=a23f9ea38c094fca277654fc7b43d690a1cf4465e5888cfea36370274210c897&

oh yeah the succ

[sharp star]

https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1791558384803606950 omw to find lost nudes

Tom Warren (@tomwarren) on X

have you had old deleted photos reappear on your iPhone or iPad after installing the latest 17.5 update? Apple appears to have a major bug right now that’s bringing back deleted photos from years ago 😵 https://t.co/nLAGKh9G5F

Twitter · May 17, 2024, 7:56 PM

[wraith agate]

that shouldn't happen

unless Apple is storing those deleted photos somewhere

[sharp star]

Apple is storing your nudes

[deep sapphire]

apple caches all your photos onto your iCloud, if you delete them locally that doesnt always mean they were deleted on your iCloud

they do this to free up local storage

and its seemless

after the whole shitshow about iCloud and the celebrity nude leaks I really doubt they would be saving people's nudes like that

[modest moss]

It can work the same way on android, delete them locally on your phone and they stay in the cloud in Google photos

[sly elk]

https://old.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/1cu6wa7/anyone_explain_this_cloud_in_my_night_photos/

cute

[dire viper]

I have had that off for icloud for a while

it would be funny if this still happened to people who had this turned off

cause uh yea that would have implications

[dire viper]

vacuum bleeders are gods gift to man

[sly elk]

mm

I think that Asus is basically the alienware/beats of DIY PC hardware

they have this unearned reputation of actually being good lmao

[deep sapphire]

I personally have never had an issue with ASUS boards and I've only used them since 2005

but thats just me

[sly elk]

you also have like the 2nd cheapest z690 they made lol

dare i say it

that's like buying a manual jeep wrangler with no electronic anything and talking about how reliable it is

[deep sapphire]

me? yeah probably I dunno it was like 140 bucks at micro center I think?

let me check my receipt

[sly elk]

imho smart move

the $600 motherboards are a total waste

[deep sapphire]

yeah

[sly elk]

and i can't believe i'm saying that now lol

[deep sapphire]

you cant even overclock for shit anymore

with my 990X I owned a Rampage III Extreme which was one of the best OCing boards at the time

that and evga had some good stuff

the X58 SLI 4 boards were legendary

[sly elk]

i bought the $439 motherboard because I wanted the little LED post code screen lmao and I guess stuff like usb-c

after dicking around with the earlier firmware and memory overclocking I don't regret that purchase

[sly elk]

yea back then it felt like those things were next level, too

everything down to the packaging and that tweaker controller thing they included

tbh they still go the extra mile with their packaging and marketing and branding and stuff

[modest moss]

never had a problem with Asus kit either, have been buying it for ages

gigabyte too

[deep sapphire]

I do admit ASUS RMA is terrible though even back in the day that was kind of the running joke "ASUS makes good boards but dont expect any good support" lmao

[neon shell]

hmm should I clear this? I feel like it would be a mistake

[dire viper]

its more the actual RMA process and it seems the Ally is uh not doing so hot

oh I didnt read enough

yea lol it is just the RMA

[deep sapphire]

no

do you have stuff saved in your downloads folder?

thats what its telling you

damn this showed up in my facebook feed

[neon shell]

I don't remember honestly, but I wanted to not take the risk of deleting something importent

It was a probably dumb question anyways

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/BohF6I3_QZ4?si=RfXjcevPBmayBPzJ @deep sapphire @sly elk holy shit

phone controlled active suspension

[neon shell]

How are you doing Christian?

[dire viper]

yes

vibing

I got a job offer from a few places and I hope I get hired at one of them after the interview

24 an hour to do post trip inspections on trucks

with profit sharing, benefits etc

[neon shell]

Nice my guy

Good luck!

[dire viper]

I will try my best

https://youtu.be/anohaYM9v28?si=KBXd3OpOVzgfwkSn