technology-discussion

[hazy frost]

Music and home cinema usage are gonna differ

[deep sapphire]

seems its lasted awhile and thats all that really matters in the end

[hazy frost]

I think the cl is newer

[deep sapphire]

which frankly they really should because the old 90s ones still work today

I've seen old pioneer recievers still working lol

[hazy frost]

This one

iirc

It’s only like 13 years old

I think genuinely the only use I have for it is speaker setup rn

[deep sapphire]

do you got some badass 7.1 system going in the living room

[hazy frost]

Nah I live with parents still and my dad has stuff for what he’s doing

I got this bc it was free even tho it’s overkill for use case

[deep sapphire]

cant beat free

[hazy frost]

Fr

[deep sapphire]

most people throw away shit when there is barely anything wrong with it

[hazy frost]

I mean obviously when I move out I can also get full usage out of it

[hazy frost]

Yeah

[deep sapphire]

thats a great way to get power tools, people throw them away when its like the cord is slightly bad and easily fixable lmao

[hazy frost]

I know someone who buys all the ‘broken’ hardware off eBay and takes like 5 mins to fix it

Makes so much money reselling lol

Granted they actually work with electronics to some degree

[wise jay]

people are just lazy

[hazy frost]

Yeah

People always buying new stuff instead of repairs

[deep sapphire]

there is great satisfaction knowing you can repair things

and is a great trait to have in life

save yourself A LOT of money

I think plumbing especially is one of the easiest things to learn and plumbers will screw you so hard lmao

installing a water heater for example is so easy and they'll easily charge you 3000 bucks

can get one at home depot for like 300 bucks rofl

[wise jay]

so much plumbing stuff is so damn easy

[hazy frost]

Yeah

In my house we never paid anyone to do anything tbh

I find it weird when people spent that much on easy things

[deep sapphire]

they are just scared to learn anything

[hazy frost]

I get like electricians and stuff bc it actually can be dangerous

But like plumbing and basic home improvement stuff people actually pay for

People pay to get house painters like ???

Why

[deep sapphire]

guess it depends on how big the house is, if its pretty big thats pretty labor intensive and requires a 6 person crew

[hazy frost]

Yeah I mean like someone’s got a room or 2 to do and they’ll hire someone

[deep sapphire]

if its painting a room or something

[hazy frost]

It can be done in a day or two

[deep sapphire]

yeah that can be done alone I agree

[hazy frost]

If ur doing a whole 3 bedroom house yeah people don’t have time for that realistically

[deep sapphire]

things I probably wouldnt bother with is like installing a custom shower or something, that requires so much planning and could go south really quick rofl

[hazy frost]

Wdym custom shower

[wise jay]

I would only pay someone to do something that's a pain in the ass or dangerous

[hazy frost]

Funny how the only things that don’t work in this house is where a ‘professional’ came in to do it

Due to lack of time

[deep sapphire]

like laying in the tile, mortar, making sure things are sealed properly, making sure things are properly leveled

the drain pan

[hazy frost]

right

[deep sapphire]

just a lot that could go wrong

granted they make ready to install ones

which is what most people have

[hazy frost]

Tbh if I could do it in like a weekend I’ll do it otherwise I’d probably be inclined to pay someone

[deep sapphire]

force your friend to help with some beer

[hazy frost]

Lol

I’ve been putting off building a proper desk for a while now tbh

Need to do that

It’s not even hard

[wise jay]

The last desk I built was from the scraps of 3 other desks

[hazy frost]

I have an ikea worktop on 4 legs

It bends slightly in the middle

It’s fine

I thought it would be more solid than it is inside

[deep sapphire]

its not too bad if you can get the pieces made for you otherwise you'll want a mitersaw or skilsaw at least

its usually just easier to have a woodmill make the pieces for you they can cure and paint for you too

[hazy frost]

I’m just gonna buy a worktop off Facebook marketplace where someone bought too much for a kitchen or something then put it on some legs and secure it to the wall

Finding a 2m long piece of something isn’t too hard

[deep sapphire]

Yeah for sure

Never go to major home improvement stores they always have terrible wood rofl

[hazy frost]

Yeah it’s always expensive as shit

I got the one from ikea was like £60 or something and it works for now

But it was like 2.5m and cut down

I can’t imagine buying any wood new now it costs like twice what it should

[inland mauve]

god I hate this Youtube change

why the fuck would they take away the ability to turn off autoplay

stupid morons

[hazy frost]

Is that a mobile thing or the desktop thing

I don’t have that on my phone yet

[inland mauve]

desktop

[deep sapphire]

did you see my reply?

someone said if you log out, watch a video and turn autoplay off then log back on it should keep autoplay off

[inland mauve]

I'm not logged in

[inland mauve]

what is my task bar doing

all of the icons are on the right by the way, this is nowhere near the center

what is going on today, why do small things keep breaking

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitten-annoyed-irritated-tantrum-gif-13045775

[potent arrow]

os system file corruption in 3...2....1....

[inland mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/exorcism-father-mulvehill-evil-z-is-for-zombies-get-out-evil-spirit-gif-22407195

[hard drift]

what's that private browser for hmmm?

[inland mauve]

youtube

[hard drift]

[inland mauve]

if you were expecting me to answer "porn", sorry to disappoint you, I had already closed that window

[glossy ravine]

Today I learned a Cursed bit of information

The Circle that shows when a page is loading on your computer?

That's called a ||Throbber||

[kind rune]

[inland mauve]

thank goodness it's back

https://tenor.com/view/i-miss-you-cute-bear-cute-love-i-missed-you-gif-16809420

[lost python]

https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1787462934043726305

Hardware Unboxed (@HardwareUnboxed) on X

Gee, wouldn't it be convenient if Intel nerfs default performance for 14th gen via a BIOS months after launch then used that as the baseline to show better than expected performance gains for next-gen CPUs...

Twitter · May 6, 2024, 12:42 PM

[hazy frost]

Intel??? Doing scummy things to sell more products instead of making good hardware???

Couldn’t be

[lost python]

never

[umbral moss]

Wouldn't it be convenient to misreport performance by building in hardware level "acceleration" that need to be patched out after the shortcuts become exploited in the wild

Intel never really recovered that performance after they had to address spectre and meltdown

[deep sapphire]

I anticipate a class action lawsuit lmao

It happened to AMD during the FX line it can happen to Intel too

[sharp star]

a class action lawsuit at Intel would be funny to see and deserved honestly

[modest moss]

did your cpu rma get sorted?

[hazy frost]

Intel just have contributed nothing to the industry in so long

Arc is barely useful as well

[potent arrow]

arc is getting there, albeit at a very slow rate and lower end to medium end market

[slim nimbus]

The screen is here

safe and sound

and it looks perfectly fine :)

[lost python]

noice

[deep sapphire]

They emailed me a few times I finally ran the tests they wanted me to do and they all passed fine so we’ll see

[dreamy chasm]

Arc's more of a proof of concept than an actual market viable product at this point

[modest moss]

oof

[dreamy chasm]

but they're doing a good job w/ it

if battlemage ends up being good and they actually keep up with their driver releases

i might actually feel comfortable recommending their stuff to people

[potent arrow]

I got a handle full of broke people on their cards, its been aight so far

the people I've sold them too all know tojust hit update drivers before playing new games however lol

[hazy frost]

niche for video editing as well

For gaming it’s still not a great card bc the pricing isn’t all that competitive

[dreamy chasm]

I just don't have trust in the avrg person I give advice to

To understand whatever caveats the cards have

[hazy frost]

The a750 is basically the only card that’s ok value for gaming

But a 6600 is usually cheaper

[dreamy chasm]

Yeah

A770 might start being enticing if it starts selling for less

[hazy frost]

Yeah it’s a weird price rn

I can’t wait for next gen GPUs where AMD and Intel just make low-mid end cards and Nvidia has high end monopoly again

[umbral moss]

It's largely because they don't want to assume the cost risk of making huge dies

The 4090 is absolutely fucking massive

There's no mysterious silicon pixie dust that makes it faster, it's literally just 70% more transistors than everything else

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/6/24150326/well-thats-an-interesting-name-for-it

We have entirely too many people who are not afraid of guillotines

[inland mauve]

what do they categorize it as? the preview cuts off

[sly walrus]

advertising

[umbral moss]

https://www.theverge.com/24148110/polestar-ceo-volvo-geely-evs-electric-car-slowdown-decoder-interview

I love this guy but the brutal fact is that charging infrastructure isn't there so nobody will buy his cars

[dire viper]

nah their sales are goin up

Polestar is now seperate from Volvo tho

Volvo is its own thing rn

[umbral moss]

Yeah, but like, you simply can't get enough electrons at the end of the day

[inland mauve]

EV infrastructure is slowly catching up in some parts of the world but the grid power is falling behind

[umbral moss]

There's literally one charging station in my neighborhood and it's at a goddamn bank

[dire viper]

well yea

but who drives enough to need a charging station outside of their house?

[umbral moss]

What if you don't have a house to drop a level 2?

[dire viper]

my EV with quadruple the range of the average driving an american does, which is an already skewed statistic because of half the US which are markets who cant afford new cars anyways

[umbral moss]

That's the problem, there isn't any charging infrastructure if you don't have a house

[dire viper]

are people in apartment complexes buying brand new highly expensive EV's tho

the market says no

[umbral moss]

Because there's no way to charge them as an apartment dweller

[dire viper]

even at their cheapest currently, 40k is still 40k

Volvo's new compact hatchback will be at like 30k but still

[umbral moss]

"we won't serve this market because nobody buys them" "but we can't use them if we did"

[dire viper]

banks aint handing out loans for EV's man

they handing out loans for fully optioned SUV's and Pickups cause they know the people buying those will be in debt forever and they get all that yummy interest

[cold yacht]

I think the annoying part of the ev boom was the different charging ports

[dire viper]

depending on the EV, not like a full size sedan, a normal 120 will get you a charge overnight

[umbral moss]

You still need a plug

[dire viper]

I know people with EV's in apartments and thats what they do

cause they have outside service plugs

[umbral moss]

Maybe in like, michigan

[dire viper]

they have them here

[umbral moss]

Ain't no external service where I am

[dire viper]

they have them here in 40 year old complexes even

[cold yacht]

Public ev charging spots gets vandalized here

1 meter of copper cables goes brrrrrr

[dire viper]

a lot of newer complexes here also have separate garages or included garages that have outlets scattered about right

[umbral moss]

Where I'm at they would get vandalized because of ideology

[cold yacht]

Meter of copper is payday for a homeless person here

[dire viper]

I will probably buy a Fiat 500e Abarth when they start selling them in a few years here in the US

[umbral moss]

Nothing around here is unattended enough for that

[dire viper]

its funny people are mad about them being EV but also its 4 seconds faster in the 0-60 than the normal Abarth so shrug

[cold yacht]

I’ll just get a hybrid from Toyota or still full ice

[umbral moss]

If you want a fast car its basically only ev

[dire viper]

I love them

[umbral moss]

I love the polestar ceo just laying it out there

Ice makes a lot of noise and it sounds cool but it had no performance like an ev

[dire viper]

well

EV's dont have performance like expensive ICE cars

you have instant low down torque but you lose out on top end

[umbral moss]

Which is really all that matters unless you're a damn top fuel dragster

[dire viper]

its why my car, being 20 years old now, is still faster than almost every EV outside the performance pack EV's that cost minimum 45k

[cold yacht]

There’s just something about hearing the engine, feeling the slight vibration when pushing an ice

[umbral moss]

You don't need to hit 290mph

[dire viper]

my 20 year old M3 that was frowned on because it was fat back in 99

lol

still 4.5 second 0-60

cause funny

thats as fast as all the Modern BMW offerings that arent a true M car (M3, M5 etc)

[cold yacht]

9 seconds 0-60 in my Corolla

[umbral moss]

You also don't need to cart around 10k kg in fucking aa batteries in practicality

[dire viper]

also there isnt a single EV with as fast of a 0-30 as a 911 Turbo S Lightweight

0-30 in 0.8

[umbral moss]

Like evs have a huge weight penalty because "must have 300 mile range"

[dire viper]

even the Lucid Sapphire and Model S Plaid Track package cant do it

weight moment

compact EV's are superior just like compact cars

[umbral moss]

Pull out 70% of the battery pack and see how fast it is

Although you would need a severely upgraded inverter to deal with the boost conversion

[cold yacht]

I remember going to a race fest and people were clowning on the one Tesla that was there

[umbral moss]

Tesla is a clown car so the math works out

[cold yacht]

Like when there’s a Miata and a Tesla at a race track

You want to drive the Miata

[umbral moss]

Just imagine if you put a similar output electric motor in the miata

[dire viper]

my cars pretty fast for the price it costs

can find an E46 for like

13-18k in good condition

and its as fast as cars that cost 60k

brand new

we love when BMW still used the "Ultimate Driving Machine" slogan

cause those cars still stand the test of time

.4 seconds slower in the quarter than a hellcat redeye lol?

[umbral moss]

Isn't that down to tires?

[dire viper]

the Hellcat has better tires

[umbral moss]

Some of these gonzo torque values are just impossible to actually put on the pavement

[dire viper]

that quarter time is recent but that was the same quarter as back when it came out

Hellcats come on proper summer sport tires

[umbral moss]

I thought that's why the hellcat got spanked in that infamous tesla drag clip

[dire viper]

my car does 300whp and 290ft lbs of torque, at super high RPM, and then the Hellcat Redeye makes 800hp and 700ft lbs of torque lol

[umbral moss]

He just couldn't actually put the power down so the tesla pulled ahead

[dire viper]

my car weighs exactly 1000lbs less

but it doesnt have modern traction control etc

[dire viper]

no the tesla actually is seeking for the grip

ppl turn off traction control in quarters on stock cars when they do them with traction on in factory testing

[umbral moss]

This is always true but I thought in that specific clip the hellcat did something dumb with his tires and he didn't have the contact

[dire viper]

you have to actually be hell of a driver and need to fully understand a car to get a good launch consistently

*without driver assists

[umbral moss]

You also need a lot of free space to practice launches

[dire viper]

was it a drag race on a prepped surface or not

every drag strip is semi prepped at the start... always

its just a thing

[umbral moss]

I don't require my car to teleport 15 meters forward whenever I put the throttle in, I'm sitting in traffic almost 100% of the time

[dire viper]

Tesla does their 0-60's on a prepped surface with a foot of roll out deleted

which is cringe

and why the Plaid's actually arent that crazy fast in real world conditions

and why the Turbo S is just faster than almost every car produced ever on a normal piece of tarmac

oh also Tesla usually uses Pilot Sport Cup's

which are like 600 per tire

not the tire they put on the production car

[dire viper]

I like my car cause half throttle in 2nd gear takes me to 70mph in just a few seconds :3

full throttle and im in 3rd gear in a few seconds going 100

we love naturally aspirated engines

the gearbox is funny

1-4 is the hot gears

5th and 6th are for cruising

[hazy frost]

No way u said that

If u want a quick car to 60 then yeah EVs are some of the best

EVs don’t make good track cars compared to ICEs in the same price bracket

When ur car weighs over 2 tonnes that happens

[dire viper]

This is true

This is why we buy salvage title Porsches

[hazy frost]

They also aren’t as fast as u get to higher speeds

They’re just quick to launch and accelerate at the lower range bc instant torque

But u run out of steam where ICE cars will have another gear

I mean u do have like the IDE, and evija but that’s

Very specific

[dire viper]

It’s why the Rimac Nevera and the Porsche Taycan Turbo GT have almost identical performance when it comes to the track

[hazy frost]

Yeah

[dire viper]

Despite the million dollar price difference

The Nevera was an insane EV when it first came out

[hazy frost]

There’s not all too many fully electric cars that u can drive urself and go round a track fast

[dire viper]

Tech creep is super harsh in the EV world rn

Where as ICE isn’t

[hazy frost]

I don’t hate EVs anyway it’s just they’re not rly track cars yet

[dire viper]

We know what to do to make a car fast

[hazy frost]

If u want ur daily to get to highway speeds fast then it’s cool tho

[dire viper]

True

I think compact EV’s make sense

I’m probably gonna buy an Abarth 500e when I can

[hazy frost]

Idk the range isn’t always great on them

[dire viper]

Yea but I’ve got an M3 for trips

Give me an electric economy car

[hazy frost]

If I was driving in a city I’d probably just not drive and use the train anyway

Lmao

Most EVs are SUVs rn which makes them even worse

But it’s also the most logical choice to turn the already heavy brick into an EV bc it already had that disadvantage but now it also can be a 4tonne mass of steel that gets to 60 in under 4 seconds

Surely not a hazard but that’s a different conversation

[dire viper]

Well also weight adds inefficiency

There is a reason why 90’s shit boxes get so much mpg

They weigh nothing and have a low output engine

Engine barely has to do work

Hybrids really work well now cause we can get the MPG of days past in cars that weigh double with triple the safety and comfort

[hazy frost]

Tbh I get like 35-40mpg but car is also slow

Not that I’d get insured in anything faster in England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[odd sand]

Got it detailed today. Sorry, no wash pron video for you tho...

[deep sapphire]

but torque is fun

[hazy frost]

It’s fun

But like when u find a corner

[deep sapphire]

americans dont know what that is, just the torque part /s

[hazy frost]

Lmao

There’s not too many long straight roads here

I wouldn’t understand the obsession as much

[deep sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XigUXvVR-xw

why the fuck is it set to kids

rofl

[umbral moss]

You accelerate out of turns, so like, why is torque bad? 🤔

[hazy frost]

Accelerating out of the turn doesn’t help the fact it’s a boat

Feels like a very EV biased point of view y have tho

[deep sapphire]

im of the firm believer that for daily driving torque is much better because at least you can have fun at stop lights or exit ramps and not get pulled over

high rev engines are cool and all but really not much you can do without the cops ticketing your ass

[umbral moss]

You don't need 45% of your weight budget tied up in permanent dry weight

[hazy frost]

EVs weigh a lot more than an ICE equivalent

[umbral moss]

Yeah this

You don't spend all that long at 9000 rpm unless you live in the literal middle of nowhere and nobody cares you're trying to achieve escape velocity

[hazy frost]

I’d rather not have it feel slow on corners and stuff

There’s country ish roads round here u can do 50/60 on still

[deep sapphire]

most EVs use magnetic dampers

they can handle well enough

[umbral moss]

They don't have to, it's a conscious engineering choice to piss away weight budget on batteries you don't really need

[hazy frost]

I mean

If u don’t wanna go anywhere sure?

I would like to be able to drive more than 50 miles tho

[deep sapphire]

EV owners btfo

[umbral moss]

Who are these robots who drive 100+ miles one way every day for their commute

[hazy frost]

When we have solid state batteries one day life will be better

[umbral moss]

Like, it is statistically untrue that people drive more than 40 miles a day

[hazy frost]

That doesn’t mean it’s a good solution tho

[deep sapphire]

the average EV ownership

[hazy frost]

What if u do need to go more than 40 miles

Or can’t charge one day

Like

It’s not ok still

[umbral moss]

It isn't but you can charge a 40 mile capacity way faster than a 350 mile capacity

[hazy frost]

That still doesn’t help

40 mile only capacity would just be incredibly stupid

People don’t want to be fucked if they can’t charge their car after one trip

[deep sapphire]

most EVs can do at least 200 miles

[umbral moss]

If chargers were actually available it wouldn't be, but nobody buys evs because there are no chargers so nobody builds chargers

[hazy frost]

Yeah and they heavy

[deep sapphire]

even the shitty nissan leaf has a range of like

[hazy frost]

Which is the problem

[deep sapphire]

180

[hazy frost]

The 500e is like

400kg over the ICE one

It’s still slightly quicker

[umbral moss]

It's all fixed weight too, the battery pack is the same weight charged or empty

[hazy frost]

But like the advantage is kind of lost when ur adding that weight

[umbral moss]

Like filling your gas tank with cement

[deep sapphire]

like I agree with you I personally couldnt give 2 shits about EVs specially when most of the companies making them are tech bros like elon

and the silverado ev looks terrible

[hazy frost]

There are uses for EVs but they’re still not a fun drivers car in any way

[deep sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/sylvester-stallone-bobble-head-gif-8771406

[hazy frost]

At best it can be a fun daily like I said

[umbral moss]

Gm not giving a shit about anything but their turbo diesel truck, a tale as old as time

[deep sapphire]

diesel is too expensive

give me E85

[umbral moss]

But energy density

[deep sapphire]

but up to 118 octane

[hazy frost]

I’m putting cheapest shit I can in my car Idc

It doesn’t care what I use

It’ll continue to live

[deep sapphire]

for most people yeah it doesnt really matter

[umbral moss]

I just want more power

[deep sapphire]

tim allen holding the hole hawg

aka the wrist snapper

[solid dirge]

Depends on how much you like torque and how much the car weighs

If you like to spin tires, ho boy

Stomp that pedal and they can SPIN

[hazy frost]

I make like 120hp anyway

I’m not going anywhere

[deep sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/toosoon-junior-driving-inthecar-fastandthefurious-gif-4557842

[solid dirge]

That's the weird thing about EVs really

They're gutless and can't haul for shit

But they can just GO when pushed

[hazy frost]

0-60 in like 7.8s goes crazy

Actually isn’t terribly slow

[deep sapphire]

they can haul and tow very well its just no such thing as a free lunch and when you have to sit there charging every 100 miles no thanks

[hazy frost]

But my car weighs like 1090kg

[deep sapphire]

thats a pretty light car

[solid dirge]

They're not particularly slow by any means. They just.. Don't have as much cap-out as an ICE.

But due to the lack of spool-up time, so to speak, BY THE POWER OF ELECTRIC MOTOR

They do be flyin when you push the pedal.

[deep sapphire]

an electric motor is significantly better than an ICE engine in every metric its just the energy source isnt great but everyone knows that by now

[solid dirge]

On the lower end sure, but the higher end ICEs still pull ahead to my knowledge

[deep sapphire]

thats usually because the battery cells start to overheat, electric motors are far more efficient

and I love me a good V8 engine

but lets be real, the best case ICE engine can only harness about 38-45 percent of the energy

most of it is just wasted heat

[solid dirge]

Yeah

Also emissions.

insert morbid carbon joke here

Supposedly hydrogen engines are making some degree of progress

But I have seen less than nothing about that lately

Then again, not a car guy so it's not gonna pop up in my newsfeed much

Fusion energy on the other hand is getting breakthrough after breakthrough

[deep sapphire]

hydrogen is hard to store and transport

toyota attempted it sorta with their... miria? I think it was called

[solid dirge]

I'm not even sure that's the primary problem. Hydrogen is fuckin everywhere. Water.

The problem is it's HEAVY and burns fast as a first fuck

[deep sapphire]

the problem is hydrogen is a volatile gas and when highly compressed it requires significant reinforcement storage containers for transporting it and also in your car

[solid dirge]

EVs won't get much distance atm but hydrogen gets even less due to it just going through the entire trunk of water in like 10 miles

[deep sapphire]

if say a hydrogen tanker truck got into an accident

it would be one big kaboom

[solid dirge]

I'm not sure they're aiming for pure hydrogen for that reason.

I know they were looking at water specifically.

Because you can split the hydrogen out of it pretty easily and use that

And the waste is just oxygen

Same reason why fission reactors prefer to NOT use uranium, enriched or not.

She do be kickin, but a lot of the time, you don't want it to.

And if she keep kickin when you say wait no, you have a very large problem.

[deep sapphire]

lmao I remember listening to this old guy at my last job ranting about how in the 80s they had these "magic hydrogen fuel cells that got 50 MPG but big oil killed the guy who invented it"

[sly elk]

lol

one thing that nobody seems to consider with new vs old is new cars are way faster most of the time >>

[deep sapphire]

new cars are stupidly efficient

you could barely get good aluminum casts 30 years ago

[umbral moss]

The infamous "made a car that runs on water" urban legend

[deep sapphire]

lmao yeah i think that was it

[umbral moss]

The reason conspiracies come apart is because people can't keep their goddamn mouths shut

[deep sapphire]

like im pretty sure someone would have discovered something similar by now and everyone would have loved it

[umbral moss]

If there was a car design that ran on water some dweeb would have posted its schematics to win an internet argument

But lmao imagine trying to run a car on water, one of the hardest molecules to crack

Oh no big deal, just going to overcome the strongest non-ionic bond known to man with an onboard hydrolyzer system with better than unity efficiency

[hazy frost]

Toyota has a few things they do where they kind of have it working it just makes no sense practically

Hyundai I think also was trying to

The Toyota they actually sell is ridiculously expensive and has a lack of room inside due to the massive amount of space taken up to give it enough fuel

[umbral moss]

I saw they were offering some wild discounts on the Mirai because they can't sell the stupid things

It's doomed because the only hydrogen infrastructure is in Cali basically

And ironically the best hydrogen source is hydrocarbons, so they achieved absolutely nothing due to how you extract hydrogen

[sly elk]

The real problem with the Mirai is getting fuel for it lol

even in california

stations that sell hydrogen are few and far apart... and like EV charging stations they sometimes break or go out of service lmao

[solid dirge]

I'd like to note that I said it was being worked on, not that I knew fuck all about it. Science hippies are on all sorts of crack.

[sly elk]

https://h2fcp.org/stationmap

the more notable thing imho is LOOK HOW MANY ARE OFFLINE

someone brought that up in a video i was watching on youtube a few days ago

those suckers are even more unreliable than electrify america EV chargers lmao

and I mean at least with an EV, if you can't find a good charger you can just plug it into a 120v outlet and let it sit for like half a day and you'll have enough electrons to get to a fast charger lol

[tiny maple]

are gaming laptops worth it?

im planning on buying this https://www.amazon.es/MSI-Cyborg-15-A12VF-097XES-Translucent/dp/B0C6DFWVLW

[sly walrus]

eh

not really

[tiny maple]

but ppl keep telling me to invest on an actual pc

[sly walrus]

hey

[tiny maple]

its 1000 and has good specs

idk if its gonna run the games smoothly

[sly walrus]

you should invest in an actual pc

[tiny maple]

its that i plan on leaving country in a year

[sly walrus]

oh

well

[tiny maple]

bruh

[paper tusk]

most of the issue is the system will break in no time flat because of the see through plastic at the screen hinges

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/GAsARhxdfZU?si=z80V9PjiXybOd7Ng

835ps and 1000Nm got damn

823hp and 737ft lbs

first V12 of its kind in a car under a million

which is crazy cause honestly its easy as hell to make real power with a V12 idk why its been relegated to overly expensive cars

now only really expensive cars :3

[odd sand]

Is that bc they're unreliable, or is it bc shitheads are damaging them?

Then again in Cali you have PG&E so...

[sly elk]

the "new" MS teams makes me wanna go on an unhinged rant again

for whatever reason it's now called Microsoft Teams (work or school) and has a janky looking blue "NEW" box on the logo

and it always starts as a giant white window that takes up almost all of my screen

and then moving a chat to a new window produces that, too

did they pull an elon musk and fire almost their entire dev team to produce this

do microsoft engineers even know how to program

or do they just lock 1000 people in the room and have them bang on keyboards

until the compiler builds something that starts

[lost python]

Oh they have engineers but 90% of their time is occupied by trying to make sense of the convoluted mess they got

[pine thistle]

it's what you get when you allow web devs to write desktop apps :P

[odd sand]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fjcdazzkl7xyc1.jpeg

[odd sand]

It gets even better: It's a separate app from from normal Teams AND the original Microsoft Teams (work or school) except the new one has the tiny words "new" on the icon, and all 3 remain installed on the system at the same time...

Also the NEW Teams no longer works with the gestures on my headset so I can't end calls by double-tapping the right side of the headset anymore, which is mildly annoying.

[hazy frost]

Every time I open teams it still asks me if I want to use the new teams or not

Idk why it can’t just default to the old one

[wraith agate]

The cool car and the clown car

[umbral moss]

Tech companies run by bean counters produce garbage product

https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/

[deep sapphire]

Google doesn’t care they just wanna scam people by showing ads that clearly don’t meet any ethical standards

I have YouTube premium but I’ve been told most YouTube ads are like porn games and crypto scams rofl

[umbral moss]

I mean, the ads are targeted so if you're getting porn games and crypto scams that's telling on yourself lmao

[umbral moss]

They absolutely don't care because every company hits a tipping point where anyone who wanted to make a good product is either forced out or becomes greedy after being so successful

Sundae pichai is a huge piece of shit and he is reworking Google in the image of the horrible bottom feeding company he came from

But stonks go up so it's aight 👍

[wise jay]

I constantly shit on crypto and I still get an absurd amount of crypto ads

[dreamy chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHILyzooR58

150w delta between the two doesn't look promising

[lost python]

totally worth it to have the advantage in 3 games
just dont be poor

[dreamy chasm]

Free room heating, I guess

[deep sapphire]

I set mine to 140 and barely lost any performance

[dreamy chasm]

Comparison doesn't inspire confidence in the intel sku, either way

[deep sapphire]

Everyone knows the 7800X3D is the better processor

I more wanna know why Intel allowed this to happen and if a class action suit is happening

[dreamy chasm]

Probably not

They probably didn't foresee this being such a huge problem

[deep sapphire]

They seem to be doing RMAs for anyone that complains so that’s good

They gave me an RMA but I have to send it in

[sharp star]

what the hell the Apple stuff started 10 minutes ago?

[deep sapphire]

New iPads looks like

[dreamy chasm]

what apple stuff

[sharp star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1J38FlDKxo

iPads

[dreamy chasm]

Question is if it actually does anything

[deep sapphire]

It probably will knowing now that you can opt out of the shit ASUS put as defaults now

[dreamy chasm]

I wouldn't be surprised if a "Erm, works on my machine" with the same chip being sent back ever happens

[deep sapphire]

My processor works mostly fine now but I have to put under volt protection on and the shit goes up to like 1.5v rofl

[dreamy chasm]

It's just a little fucked considering the defaults on these motherboards were used for a lot of the benchmarks that've been done

[deep sapphire]

Right

I agree

And allowing 450w of juice to go into your CPU during random bursts is ridiculous

[dreamy chasm]

Yeah.

[sharp star]

"Tandem OLED"

M4 iPad Pros

"69 terashits per gigafart"

M4 iPad Pro should just be a laptop already holy shit

[lost python]

gonna be an affordable 1500$?

[sharp star]

$2000

[dreamy chasm]

[sharp star]

why wasn't there a function row until now

[hazy frost]

Ur just not an enthusiast u wouldn’t get it

[deep sapphire]

True

[dreamy chasm]

shintel shills in shambles..

[hazy frost]

400w cpu is perfectly reasonable bc u can overclock guys

The fact it’s still an 8p core cpu upsets me

7950x bad it has less cores

[dreamy chasm]

I love hearing this cope

[hazy frost]

Fr

[sharp star]

$999 for 11 inch, $1199 for 13 inch iPad Pro

[dreamy chasm]

It'd maybe be another story if the intel processors were also cheaper

But

The prices they charge are exhorbitant

[hazy frost]

If Intel made any good processors it would be great

There isn’t one

If any it’s the 12400

[dreamy chasm]

I've recommended their midrange stuff in the past

but that's about it

[hazy frost]

Or if you really need quick sync then like

I guess

[hazy frost]

12-14th gen has been

Something

[dreamy chasm]

Hit or miss

[hazy frost]

There’s no real point going for anything between 7600 and 7800x3d anyway and the 13600k and 13700k suck for gaming

Bc u can just buy am5

The 12400/12600kf is sometimes a better deal than like the 5600x

[hazy frost]

Which ones are a hit tho

[dreamy chasm]

12100f was pretty solid back when it was the only thing you could reasonably get in the 100-150 dollar range

12400f was the same story during the era the 5600x was 300 dollars too

Can't speak much for the 13-14k series since I wasn't really paying attention during that era

[hazy frost]

12100f was decent yeah

12400f wasn’t priced well either when it was new

[dreamy chasm]

sub 200 seemed fine for it

[hazy frost]

The 5600 was $200 as well so it was like whatever u got a cheaper mobo for

The 5600x was just stupidly expensive at msrp

[dreamy chasm]

Oh right, the 5600 was released a few months after

I think I was remembering the time when the 12400f launched with the 5600x being the only am4 chip you could get at the time

Actually

the 12400f was still considerably cheaper, even then

Assuming the motherboard prices were basically the same, anyway

[deep sapphire]

I still love Intel d-delete this

[dreamy chasm]

Wait

I need context

[hazy frost]

yeah they were basically the same thing

so whatever u got cheaper mobo and cpu combined was better

[dreamy chasm]

yea

It often ended up being the 12400f so it was just what I rec'ed to anyone on a tight budget at the time

[hazy frost]

Man the LTT subreddit gives such bad tech advice

Idk why I bother to try and correct people

[lost python]

their own forum isnt much better

[real edge]

LTT is mcdonalds tech

their secret shopper series is pretty good but I wouldn't take them seriously for much of anything

[hazy frost]

The thing is the subreddit is even worse than the actual channel

Actually all the pc subreddits are god awful I just try and correct people when they’re obviously wrong so people don’t waste money

I got downvoted to hell for sayinf why buy a 5800x3d for a new build when the 5700x3d exists

[cerulean talon]

Welcome to the fact that 99% of the internet is stupid.

It's painful how much people try to hyper-optimize builds without knowing what they're used for.

[dreamy chasm]

Hot take, the 7500f is probably the best midrange cpu at this point

Idk how I feel recommending am4 outside of budget builds at this point

[hazy frost]

People try to optimise it but don’t even know how

[hazy frost]

5700x3d is better than the 7500f tbf

And more easily available

But both are good

U get an upgrade path if that matters

But we should get AM6 in like 2 years anyway

[dreamy chasm]

Not sure if I'm entirely convinced

[hazy frost]

Wdym

It’s

Just what it is

[dreamy chasm]

The 5700x is marginally better than the am5 stuff in some tests but

[hazy frost]

The 5700x3d and 5800x3d are on par with the 7600 when the 3D v cache doesn’t matter

When the cache DOES matter both are a lot better

The 5700x isn’t the same as the 5700x3d

[dreamy chasm]

I'm not looking at 5700x benchies

[hazy frost]

What

I literally just sent u a newer benchmark

[dreamy chasm]

the x3d parts do pull ahead in some tests but like

[hazy frost]

That includes the 5700x3d

[dreamy chasm]

yes

[hazy frost]

I just said that irs better than the 7500f which is

Right

[dreamy chasm]

I can't recommended what's basically a dead platform that won't be receiving much in updates unless the person genuinely wants the benefits the vcache give you

[hazy frost]

I can if ur not upgrading for 2 years

Which u could do with those CPUs

Ddr6 and a new platform will be out for consumers by like 2026

[dreamy chasm]

i've seen people jump up from a 2700x to a 5800x3d

[hazy frost]

Yeah but if u won’t upgrade for 2 years u can either get am5 cheaper anyway or go straight to a ddr6 platform

[dreamy chasm]

It does genuinely make sense to stay on the platform and avoid a motherboard change if the process and pricing is convenient enough

[hazy frost]

Am4 lasted much longer than am5 will

[dreamy chasm]

who knows

[hazy frost]

DDR6 is coming to consumer market much faster than DDR5 did after ddr4

So it’s definitely not lasting as long

[dreamy chasm]

I'm just basing my advice off of what's available

[hazy frost]

We’ll get like 9000 then another gen and that’s it

[dreamy chasm]

[hazy frost]

You aren’t if ur using future proofing as a reason to buy it

[dreamy chasm]

low end am5 competes with high end am4

[hazy frost]

Bc that stuff isn’t available

[dreamy chasm]

It's also priced the same

There's no reason to recommend the older platform at that point

Outside of v specific circumstances

[hazy frost]

5700x3d is $220 the board is like $100 and ram is $60, 7600 is $200 board is $130 ram is $100

Usually

Give or take for either

So am4 is still usually cheaper

The 5800x3d is a joke bc it’s almost $300 so buying it if u don’t have am4 already is stupid

[dreamy chasm]

i stand corrected, prices were a little diff when I was looking a while back

[dire viper]

consider that a 5700X3D or 5800X3D plus a 3080, 4080 or 4090 has zero limitations currently unless you play games that use experimental graphic settings or are so poorly optimized it doesnt really matter what you use

[dreamy chasm]

but still, I'd probably still go with am5 just out of personal experience from just being someone who has jumped to a higher tier processor on the same platform

[dire viper]

you can run Cyberpunk at ultra with ray tracing on a 5800X3D and a 4080 @ 2k 144 stable

no upscaling

[dire viper]

this ones goofy, its showing frame rate with a 4090 at 1080p

also the 1% lows matter so much more

peak fps is basically just a blindfold to pull over peoples eyes

you can have high peak fps but your 1% lows be 80fps lower and so the game is unplayable from the stuttering

[hazy frost]

Smooth 60 looks better than 90 with awful lows and stuttering

[hazy frost]

And yeah that’s how u test to show the worst case u could use it

Which shows how small of a difference between a 7600 and a 5700x3d there will be realistically

[dire viper]

yuh

I dont think CPU's will creep as hard as GPU's have

and if they keep making games at the rate they are nobody will be playing them anyways so shrug

cant run a game on brand new hardware anyways

[hazy frost]

U don’t need a strong cpu to run majority of games now

People are still using a 5600 and a 4090 at higher resolutions now

[dreamy chasm]

My 3700x was fine when I got it but, I did still end up wanting to upgrade it with how hard my cpu chugs with some titles these days

[hazy frost]

It lasted 4/5 years then if u got it new

[dire viper]

yea I made a mistake buying a 3070 💀

[hazy frost]

My condolences

[dire viper]

I did get it under MSRP at least

[hazy frost]

Nice

8GB hurts in 1440p now

[dreamy chasm]

2021, the 11400f was basically unavailable in my region so I didn't even consider it

[dire viper]

this is why I play games made 8 years ago

[hazy frost]

Next gen consoles came out immediately after and u got fucked by having no vram for new games

Tbh

Unfortunate

[dire viper]

I can run Cyberpunk fine at least

which is funny

[hazy frost]

I can run cyberpunk with path tracing at about 50-60 fps with DLSS

After I did memory OC

[dreamy chasm]

I play a mix of newer and older games, but even the older games I play still benefit from the extra single core newer stuff has

[dire viper]

I just run my 5600X at constant over clock

whats funny is that ive never seen it over 60 degrees ever

my 3070 at most sits at 70

its almost like even in newer games its not even utilizing it fully

like my game will be dying at 40-60fps on 1440p high and the 3070 aint even fully going sometimes

and yes the game is using the 3070, yes its seated properly etc

[hazy frost]

My 7700x sits around 65 usually

It’ll hit 85 sometimes and go back down

[dreamy chasm]

I run an sfx system

end me

5700x3d's coming in soon

[hazy frost]

I have a PA120SE with fans at like 30%

[dreamy chasm]

Swapping the l9a for something beefier too

[hazy frost]

Lol

[dreamy chasm]

that doesn't fit in my case

but I need the portability

[hazy frost]

I can’t find an AIO with a quiet enough pump for me

[dire viper]

this is why you always have music on so the noise is quiet and the voices arent loud

[dreamy chasm]

i just turn on a quiet fan profile if i have to record

[hazy frost]

I like to not use headphones sometimes and just use it at low loads for stuff

Where pump would be audible

Might just buy T30s for my cooler

[dreamy chasm]

I refuse to touch aios with a ten foot pole

but that's mostly bc I don't trust them to hold up me tossing my case into a bag

[hazy frost]

I mean they’d probably be fine with that

[dreamy chasm]

I'm not taking the risk

[hazy frost]

Idk what you’d fit in a sfx case realistically

240 maybe

120 is pointless

[dreamy chasm]

240 if it fits

A decent 120 in a case where you're vertically challenged might make sense

[hazy frost]

There’s some really good smaller air coolers now

Even the low profile ones are decent

[dreamy chasm]

I'm getting an an600 to replace my l9a soon

[hazy frost]

There’s the pa90se now

Idk how good it actually is but it should be up there

[dreamy chasm]

that's barely low profile for my case requirements

[hazy frost]

The AXP90 is also good

Of axp120

[dreamy chasm]

AXP120 / IS-67-XT / AN600 seem like the best ones under 67mm

[hazy frost]

Yeah

AXP120/90 are both surprisingly good for the price

As with most TR coolers

Who buys noctua in 2024 tbh

[dreamy chasm]

I'm getting the an600 for around 30 after some coupons

[hazy frost]

Isn’t the axp120 less normally

[dreamy chasm]

Heard the fan on it was better than the TR and ID coolers, so it seems like the better choice

yes

But I'm buying on a platform that ships straight from china so

that might explain a bit

[hazy frost]

The fan on all probably sucks

The TR one cools up to like 200w reasonably well

[dreamy chasm]

maybe

I'll replace it with a good 25mm fan if I ever get desperate

[hazy frost]

Fan doesn’t matter as much as the rest of the design except noise if they aren’t completely terrible

The PA120SE fans I have are loud

[dreamy chasm]

maybe I'll put this abomination on

[hazy frost]

Lol

[dreamy chasm]

The noise is why I'm getting the an600

[hazy frost]

I got EK fans before the news about them came out

Unfortunately

[dreamy chasm]

I heard they're a little less noisy than the other 2

[hazy frost]

Honestly with fans that size with how hard they have to work it doesn’t matter anymore

I don’t think it’s possible to make one quiet

[dreamy chasm]

I'll only have about 95-105w to cool, so

[hazy frost]

That’s not a small amount for a cooler like that

Both will be spinning at a high enough rpm they’re not quiet

Under load anyway

[dreamy chasm]

I know

But the noise profile matters a little

[hazy frost]

What case is it anyway

[dreamy chasm]

SG013

But i have the side panels off whenever I know I'm not traveling for a while

I just need a case compact enough that it'll fit in a travel bag in the off chance I need to relocate

[hazy frost]

AIOs will be better than the low profile ones still but they cost more

[dreamy chasm]

It's just the risk of failure I don't really want to bother with

[hazy frost]

They’re all covered by a warranty

[dreamy chasm]

I know

But if a leak happens and I can't use my system for whatever I'm working on I'm fucked

If a fan fails, it's w/e

I toss another one in and I'm good

[hazy frost]

U would have to wait for a fan anyway

[dreamy chasm]

I have extras

[hazy frost]

If u have extras why did u care about which fan the cooler has

[dreamy chasm]

they're all the same price to me

[umbral moss]

The risk of a leak is functionally zero unless you're incapable of tightening fittings and checking your system with the board powered off

[dreamy chasm]

I might as well cop the better fan

[dreamy chasm]

It's extra work

[hazy frost]

For a potentially worse cooler design

[dreamy chasm]

shrug

heatsink on all three seem relatively equivalent to each other on all the tests I see on them

[hazy frost]

But u actually get to have ur cpu stay cool

And u want quiet

[dreamy chasm]

I just need it cool enough

I play games on it, it's fine for it to be loud during then

[umbral moss]

A moment of laxity spawns a lifetime of heresy

[dreamy chasm]

But the loads my DAWs put on my cpu aren't heavy enough to cause extra noise when I have to sit down and record

[hazy frost]

100w and any of those low profile coolers is questionable

It’ll work it’s just louder

[dreamy chasm]

I run 500rpm on my l9a just fine when I record as is

[hazy frost]

Why upgrade then

[dreamy chasm]

I just need something that cools better for when I do want it to run intensive stuff

again

[hazy frost]

Then

[dreamy chasm]

I game on it, it's fine when it gets loud but the l9a lacks in the cooling department

[hazy frost]

Get the thing that’s a real upgrade

Going from low profile cooler to low profile cooler is just

Barely doing anything

[dreamy chasm]

It's a considerable change in thermal capacity from the tests I've seen

Could always sell off the old cooler as well, so I'm not losing much

And again, I want to just not have to worry about having to check if it's leaking

Specially since I'm tossing this in a bag for travel occasionally

[umbral moss]

I have had exactly two leaks in my loop since 2013, one of them I knew about because the o ring is slightly damaged from when I installed it and the other I cracked a block installing a fitting

There is no secret way to spring a leak, it is always your fault lmao

[dreamy chasm]

Again

I'd rather not have to worry

If a fan fails on an air cooler, it's whatever

[umbral moss]

You literally have to do nothing past "don't fuck it up when you install it"

[dreamy chasm]

[umbral moss]

And occasionally feed it water if your tubing is a little too porous

[dreamy chasm]

They're still extra failure points

I'm not arguing this

I've already said my piece, lmao

[hazy frost]

Too hard

I might do custom loop atl for gpu if I upgrade next gen

[umbral moss]

It's the most set and forget thing lmao

[dreamy chasm]

I'm tossing this shit in a bag

It's extra shock

[hazy frost]

And?

It won’t do anything

[dreamy chasm]

I might have to put this thing into check-in at some point

???

[umbral moss]

If fittings come loose, a fan screw will too lmao

[hazy frost]

U should be more concerned about ur PCIe slot or something if it’s being handled roughly

There’s a lot of problems before an AIO if people are throwing it around

[umbral moss]

Yeah this

Especially if you have an air cooled gpu

[dreamy chasm]

What does not having extra failure points in my system when I can help it have to do with my pcie slot

Are you even reading??

Anyways

I'm done here

[umbral moss]

Enjoy your huge 3kg brick of copper being pulled against the sad lil pci slot on your board

[hazy frost]

I had to buy a pole to hold up my gpu anyway

They’re getting too big

[umbral moss]

But imagine if you water cooled it and the GPU was only one slot with a well secured radiator elsewhere in the box

[hazy frost]

I wanted to keep the OC on my gpu but it was getting too hot and a gpu block for this thing isn’t justifiable rly

I don’t wanna spend £150 on a block alone for a £650 gpu

[umbral moss]

I think they make a few a few adapters for fitting a cpu aio to a GPU die

[hazy frost]

I’ll wait until I upgrade I think

[umbral moss]

Especially the smaller dies where a full card block is kind of a waste

[hazy frost]

I can get away with +200 core and +1600 memory without many issues

It’s still quiet ish

[dreamy chasm]

I have a small card

but if I'm worried, I'm just pulling it out

[hazy frost]

Vram temps on new cards are just

Pain

I ran into temp issues before instability

[dreamy chasm]

Blame the board designers

[cerulean talon]

I mean, it's also the ASIC designers.

[umbral moss]

I mean, you gotta get 650w from somewhere

[cerulean talon]

To hit those clockrates, you have to move the ram closer, every time you do, there's less room for heat dissapation

[umbral moss]

Electrons ain't free lmao

[cerulean talon]

Man, the VRM's and the phasic VRM controllers on a nice card are just sexy.

[umbral moss]

Also the switching losses are going to the moon on these vram chips

[dire viper]

I may have found out why Utah drivers get mad when I pass them... apparently my cars stock exhaust is insanely loud

thank you BMW

[cerulean talon]

Yeah, no shock tbh.

The 12 phasic stuff I've got around the house is hilarious, because it's like "You're switching 1 volt at 500 amps, of course your losses are awful."

[umbral moss]

Mine too but that's because it rusted out and I'm too broke to fix it lmao

[cerulean talon]

#evlife

Legitimately, one of my favourite things about having an EV is just how quiet it is.

[dire viper]

the exhaust is quiet in my car

its not outside lmao

my car would be very quiet if it was a coupe

not a cabrio

[sly elk]

oy

LOL I kept typoing

it's not just that: MS is notorious for not giving a shit about the end user experience

[sly elk]

they are almost never selling MS products to the end user like say, apple does

MS sells products to CTOs, CEOs, and other business management

[umbral moss]

Yes, because ms cares about the product and forcing users to use it to inflate their market penetration

[sly elk]

their consumer business is just a side hustle

What I mean is, nobody at MS gives a flying fuck about how using Teams as corporate prole #23592 is a nightmare. They care about making more knobs and buttons for the sysadmins to tweak for corporate compliance and making sure the users don't try to do things behind their managements' back using it.

just like Windows is designed to be "Managed"

MS puts way more love and care into the "management" aspect of their products

they go to an almost obscene length

[umbral moss]

Teams would be fine if it didn't require a 128 core cpu and 50 exabytes of memory to run

[dire viper]

its funny revving my car at all in neutral, you can feel the engine torqueing the chassis

[umbral moss]

Like, it is the most wasteful fucking program I've ever seen

[sly elk]

Imagine if the rest of the things in the workplace were as heavily managed as microsoft products are

[umbral moss]

I have to leave it disabled in my piece of shit workstation at my job because leaving it enabled makes a restart take 25 minutes

[sly elk]

like you come into the office in the morning

and the position of the pen on your desk has been reset due to corporate policy

and the pen only moves in a 16" square

actually, we've also reset your chair's seat height and back adjustments

_and we took the seat height adjusting lever off-

"We prefer a standard desk environment"

[umbral moss]

Actually we took the chair away because we noticed you are spending thirty milliseconds off task every morning

[sly elk]

LOL

[umbral moss]

Standing employees are more productive employees

[sly elk]

yea the amount of micromanagement microsoft enables is insane

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/Qq9r8HYyIIg?si=zJW1I7LH0A9LAn-W

[sly elk]

Nothing else in the planet allows that much bullshit

[umbral moss]

Linux and Unix do too, but you don't see it deployed the same way as often

[sly elk]

by the nature of being an open source OS sure

you can technically

(holy shit fapolicyd lol)

[umbral moss]

It's not like going to like, fucking Debian makes you immune to the host forcing you to load certain packages

[sly elk]

but no, I'll insist that MS is particularly insane 😄

they provide all of that out of the box on a silver platter

[umbral moss]

Yeah, because it's also in their interest to secure the software platform lmao

[sly elk]

but yea sure, debian with a godly sysadmin team, could make an even worse experience

[umbral moss]

Micromanaging is just a perk for dweebs who got bullied in college

[sly elk]

tbh I don't think that kind of sysadmin team actually exists

for every 1 competent linux sysadmin there's a million incompetent windows ones and dozens of somewhta competent windows ones

and those linux sysadmins are hippies too so it's unlikely they're going to get their pants wet over the ability to enforce every employee using the corporate lockscreen, desktop wallpaper, and sound pack

[cerulean talon]

Hello, yes, god-tier linux syaadmin checking in.

What kind of debian based horror can I sign you up for today?

[sly elk]

yep. game recognize game

i'm more familiar with the intimacies of RHELL

[cerulean talon]

I started on centos years ago, did a little proper rhel, but I’m primarily Debian/alpine

[umbral moss]

To be absolutely honest I believe the average enterprise user has an iq slightly below a moldy radish, so having the ability to to force them into a uniform environment that I can unfuck easily is vastly preferable to "just do whatever you want"

I wouldn't trust the average user to log in without help, let alone give them perms to install software and leave it installed overnight, on an unattended workstation

[cerulean talon]

Amusingly I live with a pretty competent windows admin, it’s fun

They’re slowly embracing the Linux dark side tho

[umbral moss]

The force flash protocol at my university was brought into existence because of dipshits infecting the student accessible devices so everything got wiped and reflashed to "standard" at the end of the day

[cerulean talon]

Ah yes, the old deep-freeze plan.

[umbral moss]

Just easier to contain because fuckery gets blown away every night

[umbral moss]

It's what happens when you can't trust users to manage their devices properly

"ah, just gonna install league on here for tomorrow"

[hazy frost]

I’m only doing like 310

It’s 280 by default or whatever

[cerulean talon]

Step 1: Get more watts.

nods

[hazy frost]

Memory temps on the current gen Nvidia cards are pretty bad

My power limit is only 105%

[dire viper]

@umbral moss @deep sapphire

[odd sand]

My friend's minivan has rough acceleration/performance, and I do some research based on what their honda dealership said and apparently the Odyssey is known for fucking up piston rings due to their eco mode tech called VCM

So on the Odyclub forums they recommend an aftermarket module that you install that disables VCM, do a tune-up and put Techron in 1-2 tanks of gas to clear up the sludge and cross your fingers it clears things up.

Otherwise the dealer wanted to rebuild the motor at only 100k miles...

[dire viper]

Just out of warranty yay

[deep sapphire]

Lmao

[dire viper]

Honda Fit enjoyer vs Cybertruck Fan

[deep sapphire]

Honda is junk now

The 1.5 engine still has oil dilution issues

Maybe spraying the cylinder walls with fuel isn’t a good idea when you use low friction rings Honda

[odd sand]

I don't know if it would have been covered or not. They had a class-action lawsuit over the tech in the 2007-2013 models, but their 2016 isn't included in that. They wanted to charge them like $3500

[dire viper]

They should buy a Porsche smh

[deep sapphire]

If the engine is full of sludge it’s probably not worth salvaging and maybe put a reman engine in it

[dire viper]

No issues with a Porsche /s

[deep sapphire]

Not to defend Honda but sludge issues are still from lack of maintenance

[dire viper]

It’s the oil change intervals imo

Ppl listen to what they say it’s bs

Like no way you should be changing oil every 10k miles

That shit maxes at 5k

Should do it every 4k

[deep sapphire]

Eh, I’m sure abunch of smart engineers found a good number but they don’t factor in driving habits like in particular Hondas have issues with cold starts and short drives

[odd sand]

So my rec to them was go with the VCM disabler, tune-up and run some Techron thru it, but do get the timing belt, water pump and thermostat etc. replaced since the maintenance window on that seems reasonable. The forum had a list of like 4-5 other things to replace along with the timing belt since that part of the engine bay is already pulled apart. It's like $200 in parts, but saves like $1500 in labor down the line to keep pulling the thing apart to do those other things later.

[dire viper]

True

[deep sapphire]

Because of the low friction rings they don’t expand when cold thus allowing gas into the oil

Almost all direct injection engines have the fuel injector at the top next to the spark plug

Honda put theirs on the side of it

[hard drift]

https://youtu.be/bHILyzooR58

[odd sand]

She got full synthetic and changed it whenever the oil life hit 20% as per the dash sensors. Should I recommend to her from now on to change it more often?

[dire viper]

Whar

[deep sapphire]

I recommend 6-7000 miles

[deep sapphire]

Nice try AMD unboxed

[dire viper]

I changed my oil every 3000 miles in my mini

Cause those cars run so hot

[odd sand]

I can't imagine the oil life sensor was set to more than like 7500

[dire viper]

Excessive heat soak in the oil not great

Also it drank oil regardless

[deep sapphire]

Most OEMs set it at 10,000 miles

[dire viper]

I can’t imagine all the new BMW M models that are already having engine issues from having stupid oil change intervals

My car runs stupidly hot

So it runs 10W-60, which is still the standard

[deep sapphire]

I’m not an engineer so I can’t really say if it’s stupid or not

I’m sure if every engineer out there agrees on 10K there must be something to it

[dire viper]

I think 10k is unrealistic cause of the conditions

Oil changes can help detect issues, especially in the case of sludge

[odd sand]

The Maintenance Required indicator (the little orange wrench) will light up at 15% oil life remaining. And none of the gen 4 Odyssey engines have direct injection. That started in 2018.

[dire viper]

Like I’m changing my oil every 3k probably

I’m too paranoid in any car

Especially cause I drive hard, and am regularly carving canyons

[odd sand]

I think with full synthetic, 7500 is reasonable if you don't have any leaks or burning of it.

[hard drift]

it's okay, it gives us an idea of how badly intel tanks when using spec

[dire viper]

Yea burning oil

Idk but I’ve heard a lot of newer cars just drink oil

Meanwhile vintage Porsches just have 8-10 quarts of oil standard

Love air cooled cars

[odd sand]

My Saturn for a long time seemed to simply evaporate oil. Nothing would drip and I didn't see or smell any burning oil out the exhaust, but I would have to add a quart every 1000mi or so.

Near the end tho I was down to adding a quart every 500mi and you could definitely see the exhaust was a bit bluish, so probably it was burning it the entire time, but simply at a much lower rate that wasn't noticeable.

Glad I got the detailing done yesterday and not today: It's been raining heavily all day.

[umbral moss]

I think it just leaked through the head gasket like an ej lmao

My saturn had a dry stick after I noticed the temp above 50% one day

[dire viper]

Lmao

[odd sand]

Wouldn't I smell that then? Or wouldn't it drip onto the pavement and be noticeable after being parked?

[dire viper]

Nah you’d really only smell it if it leaked out onto a header or something

[odd sand]

Yeah I'm kinda amazed the abuse my engine went thru and kept kicking, given there were more than a few times the oil didn't register on the dipstick and the mechanic said they got only like 1.5 quarts of oil drained out the bottom lol

[dire viper]

The heat form the block would wick it off but not enough to smell or see

[umbral moss]

Yeah, the Saturn engine block was a tank

The little four banger that could

[dire viper]

BMW’s are great cause the i6’s are slanted slightly so if you do have a leak it leaks onto the header and you know exactly what you have to fix lmao

[odd sand]

And it's not that I tried to do that, it was simply hard to know how often to add a quart of oil, and I didn't want to be checking it once a week.

[dire viper]

I need to do my head gasket

Or not my head gasket, my valve cover gasket

[umbral moss]

Too bad saturn never got that spicy cavalier ss block

[dire viper]

Head gaskets actually don’t go bad on BMW’s it’s just the valve cover ones

[odd sand]

Yeah I did the valve cover gasket and used a wire brush on the exhaust manifold at the same time at like 200k miles

[dire viper]

Cause plastic valve cover

[umbral moss]

I just need to replace the exhaust system one day

[odd sand]

Uhh no, mine was cast aluminum or w/e. Was definitely metal.

I somehow got away with completely original exhaust on the 2002 SC2 in WI winters doing delivery driving and all that salt etc. until 190k

[dire viper]

BMW valve covers have been plastic since the 90’s

[odd sand]

Got the entire thing from the exhaust manifold to the muffler including the cat all swapped out in 1 go.

[dire viper]

I think it’s just the plastic soaking heat but valve gaskets kinda just go

It’s way more common on the M’s for obvious reasons

[dire viper]

Car just runs hot cause it’s making 200-300hp over the standard cars lmao

I like that my car is still fast I get to gap all the shitty civics

[odd sand]

I think what probably helped was it was mostly parked outside the entire time, so I didn't get that thaw cycle with the salty ice/snow like if it were parked in a garage or underground parking.

[umbral moss]

I leave my car outside all the time, it just kind of rusted through after 12 years

[odd sand]

Saturn was plastic so

[dire viper]

Smh wash the undercarriage

[odd sand]

I mean, I would get an underbody flush from time to time, but I've heard that in general what accelerates exhaust rusting out in the midwest is those freeze/thaw cycles when they use salt on the roads.

Melts into saltwater that puddles on the frame etc...

[dire viper]

The reason cleaning underneath helps is because even if you do have water spots it dilutes them, no car is completely immune to rust

Also dirt and what not