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inland mauve
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I had one or two good experiences with them and the rest were all miserable

modest moss
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They just want your 4090

dreamy chasm
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I've concluded that I'm happer if I don't actually pursue any relationships

inland mauve
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would rather get to know someone first and fall in love that way than this

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idk

dreamy chasm
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I get it

inland mauve
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meat judgement competition?

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that's what my brother calls it

dreamy chasm
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sounds about right

subtle monolith
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o/ I need a techbro to help me with this pc build for ffxiv and I thought what better place to ask than the discord... pepe_sadge_pray

lost python
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Go ahead and ask

subtle monolith
lost python
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Is this what you already have or what you plan to buy

subtle monolith
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This is what I've been working on using a prebuilt, I replaced basically everything.

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So it's what I'm planning to get, I just wanna make sure everything is compatible?

lost python
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PSU is a little undersized, especially for Intel.
Did you have a chance to get that 3060 used? Because almost 300 for it aren't really worth it.
I also wouldn't go for DDR4 on a new build anymore unless you plan to use a 5800x3D.
Why an HDD and not an SSD?

subtle monolith
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I have an SSD already. <_>

lost python
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I'd also try to get a peerless assassin instead of the hyper212, because it's similarly expensive but performs better

subtle monolith
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I'll see about changing the other parts.

dreamy chasm
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the 3060 is most definitely not worth thatprice

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specially for xiv

subtle monolith
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I mostly just play like, ffxiv, minecraft, and other cozy games.

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Minecraft is what I'm worried about because cozy block game eats up my current gpu.

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FFXIV runs great, but the lighting update is not compatible with my gpu.

lost python
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You may be better off with a 5800x3d if you want cheap but good for those games, as that CPU performs better

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Which GPU do you have rn?

subtle monolith
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1050 ti

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so literally anything is a big upgrade for me LOL

dreamy chasm
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unless you want to squeeze every bit of fps out of the parts, im p sure the amd equivalents are a bit more power efficient for pretty comparable performance

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which might matter if your room gets hot

subtle monolith
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Nah, it doesn't. <_>

subtle monolith
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I probably won't be buying from this website it seems.

lost python
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God damn that's expensive

subtle monolith
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through pcpartpicker it's 308 *on amazon

lost python
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That's still quite pricey especially if it's without taxes

dreamy chasm
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the 5700x3d's worth a gander

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it's about the same part barring slightly lower frequency

lost python
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Ye

dreamy chasm
lost python
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Definitely the 5700 then

dreamy chasm
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but, the 12700k in the list should be fine too

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i'd normally recommend against it but it seems like you're getting a pretty hefty discount ordering off newegg

subtle monolith
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I'm using pcpartpicker right now since it has just an easer website. Not sure why newegg is giving me almost 200$ discount

dreamy chasm
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they have 15% off for ordering off their site

lost python
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The problem is that the FFXIV benchmark has wildly different CPU performance from the actual game

dreamy chasm
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the main things I'd look into replacing are the GPU and your storage, primarily

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you just want a cpu strong enough to run the game comfortably, tbh

subtle monolith
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If the 3060 isn't worth what would you recommend?

dreamy chasm
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How are prices for the 6700xt nowadays?

lost python
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New is similar in price

dreamy chasm
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That was the default rec at around 300 back when I was paying attention

lost python
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I'd recommend to also check the used market. Newegg also sometimes sells used cards for less

modest moss
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my advice is buy nothing until the Dawntrail benchmark is out

dreamy chasm
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I don't think DT is going to automagically make the 3060 a good deal

lost python
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And you can't rely on the benchmark for CPU performance

dreamy chasm
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yeah

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Building a solid pc "now" would probably end up still resulting in a pc that'll perform well post DT

subtle monolith
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Yeah I'm trying to get everything ordered before dawntrail. My pc is dying so it needed to be replaced anywho.

modest moss
dreamy chasm
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its just how cpu scaling is

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oh

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i get what you mean

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yeah

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you're kind of dumb if you get a 4090 for just 1080p gaming these days, anyway

wise jay
dreamy chasm
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unless you're some csgo pro

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but even they run 1440p panels nowadays

modest moss
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it just doesn't really represent what a normal user would do

wise jay
real edge
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allowing the CPUs to only matter

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only cpu performance

modest moss
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yes I understand why, that wasn't my point

subtle monolith
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I will stick it into new egg when this gets looked over.

modest moss
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3060 is kinda dated now, I agree on that point

dreamy chasm
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You'll want an SSD

real edge
subtle monolith
real edge
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its very weak

dreamy chasm
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oh

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you can take your old ssd and reuse that

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yes

real edge
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ohh ssd

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yeah

modest moss
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Amazon has a 6750xt for 325

real edge
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I thought gpu lol

subtle monolith
modest moss
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that should easily outperform the 3060

dreamy chasm
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it's a sata drive but that should still be plenty fast for gaming

real edge
dreamy chasm
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when are you buying the parts?

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the newegg flash sale might actually be worth considering using if you're ordering within that period

real edge
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whats your budget

modest moss
real edge
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but ye on a tight budget

dreamy chasm
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actually

real edge
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AMD is usually better

dreamy chasm
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can't you just use your old motherboard

subtle monolith
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under 2k

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I'm buying 2

dreamy chasm
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if you're getting a 5700x3d anyway

real edge
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with a bios flash they can

dreamy chasm
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yeah

real edge
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then you can put the mobo money towards a better GPU

dreamy chasm
subtle monolith
dreamy chasm
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makes sense

subtle monolith
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so under 2k per*

modest moss
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yeah agree on reusing the mobo if you're staying on AM4

dreamy chasm
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you might be able to save some by just upgrading your current build

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and fwiw, most people don't recommend this but I don't have issues running a 6700xt and a 3700x on my 550w power supply emubleh

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but I run my parts at almost stock, with a slight undervolt

modest moss
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6750xt wants a 650w apparently

dreamy chasm
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ah, right

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the 6750xt does run at a higher wattage dead

subtle monolith
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ohh lemme fix that

dreamy chasm
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not sure if it's enough to matter

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definitely isn't ideal as far as efficiency goes, though

real edge
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so you have like a

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4k USD budget to spend between 2 PCs

dreamy chasm
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it's 2k between both

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judging by their wording

subtle monolith
real edge
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alright

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and you can re-use mobo and ram for one PC

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nah actually scratch that, 2400 cl16 is horrible

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for your CURRENT pc where you can re-use the motherboard, I would suggest

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getting a 5700X3D like ppl told you to

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flashing the newest bios version on your mobo to support it

paper tusk
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I tried a meme build with grey market windows key (nvidia gpu) and best i could do was $995) sofieLost

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minus the windows key

real edge
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keep SSD, HDD, Case

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as for GPU

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the 6750XT for 330$ is a great choice

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alternatively if you want to spend more

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then the 7900GRE or the 4070Super are good choices

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upgrade your PSU to a 850w one

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get a 3200 cl16/cl14 32gig kit they are really cheap nowdays like 40-50bucks

subtle monolith
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so i'm getting new power supply, gpu aaand... err is that a cpu?
[ i am not tech savvy ]

real edge
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yes and a 3200MHZ CL16 32gig ram kit

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do you ONLY want to run dawntrail or do you play other games?

paper tusk
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"cl16/cl14" is apart of the memory speed specification (lag)

subtle monolith
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minecraft is like the heaviest game that I run

real edge
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then the 6750xt will be fine

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to max out that monitor

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are you buying it new

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or do you already have it

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the display

subtle monolith
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I have it

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I have two monitors and a capture card (switch) that I run

real edge
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for the second PC, will it be for you or, if its another person, what games will they be running

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and at what resolution

subtle monolith
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the second pc has the same monitors, they run at 1080/1920, and play games like elden ring, minecraft, and ffxiv?

real edge
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do they already have a PC? if so, what specs

subtle monolith
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Yes, I know they have a rtx2070

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As for everything else? I have no clue. (trying to get it though)

real edge
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tell them to make a pcpartpicker list

inland mauve
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is there a delay until Youtube starts showing the views on a short?

paper tusk
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yt has been pretty fucky lately with stats (especially likes)

inland mauve
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I uploaded a short during my break four hours ago and there isn't a single view on it yet

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I'm a teeny tiny channel but my other shorts usually had one or two views by this point

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this was an experiment, I uploaded this one through my Android phone instead of through the browser

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and at this rate the experiment is very rapidly failing KEKW

paper tusk
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figures

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a friend of mine has likes just deleted

inland mauve
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another short says it has two comments but in the list there is only one ever visible

paper tusk
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I tested it out by liking a video on mobile (logged in to my main account) and it wasn't being counted even though it was visually indicated as the action done

inland mauve
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yeah Youtube is fundamentally broken

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what the hell are they doing over there

paper tusk
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hell if I knew

inland mauve
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still no views huh

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I think that tomorrow I will reupload the same video on desktop to compare

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and if that one does get views, that proves that Android uploads are fundamentally broken

odd sand
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2 of my corsair fans have been acting up. Supposedly they have a 5 year warranty though, so I'll see if I can RMA them. They will stick after coming out of sleep or turning the PC on from shutdown and make grinding sounds until I "speed them up" by swiping at them with my finger heh

potent arrow
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yikes

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maglev?

deep sapphire
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high pressure fuel line?

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looks like either fuel rail or fuel line

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Ford has had a terrible recently history of recalls lmao

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if you look at NHTSA they account for half of all total recalls for automakers

potent arrow
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yay Ford

deep sapphire
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oh wait Ford has IMPROVED a bit

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it use to be like 30 something percent bahaha

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not surprised chrysler's shitty ass is up there

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no idea who tf forest river is

potent arrow
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I was gonna ask who's that

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trailers

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lmfao

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giant fucking rvs

deep sapphire
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looks like jayco also makes RVs

potent arrow
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god damn why RVs recalling

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its a box

deep sapphire
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GM 2nd lowest on recalls

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(because they gaslight you when there is a problem)

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"nah sorry thats just how its supposed to work"

potent arrow
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color me surprised Hyundai or Kia isn't higher

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I guess just because Kias blow up automatically, doesn't mean they've recalled any

deep sapphire
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oh that recall is for cracked fuel injectors bahaha I bet its all fuckin plastic

potent arrow
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100%

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imagine if they somehow made plastic injection lines

deep sapphire
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they do

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๐Ÿคฃ

potent arrow
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fuck off, no way lol

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that's incredibly stupid if that's real

deep sapphire
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oh sorry rails

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but yeah

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๐Ÿ˜‚

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LETS PUT THE HIGH PRESSURE GASOLINE INTO A PLASTIC HOUSING

potent arrow
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LOL

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rails as what I meant

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that's incredibly STUPID

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BAHAHAHA

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my head hurts

deep sapphire
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fuckin bean counters

potent arrow
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its metal for a reason T-T

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god gasoline weakening the plastic and aging will make that thing a bomb wtf

deep sapphire
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I'd be more worried about the thermal cycling

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amazingly plastic holds up well to gasoline

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look at my fuel tank things fuckin almost 35 years old

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๐Ÿ˜‚

potent arrow
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ehhhhh

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I hate this either way lol

deep sapphire
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true

umbral moss
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Edmunds likes the Kia sportage concernedkeiko

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Top ranked two years in a row

umbral moss
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I don't know, there aren't that many hybrids these days

paper tusk
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reminded me of the self destructing hyundai/kia 4 cylinders because they didn't torque the high pressure fuel system down (so it would spray gasoline on itself on the highway)

edit: faulty abs module

dire viper
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you have to really really do research on dealers

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and honestly paying the 100 dollars for a pre purchase inspection from a trusted local shop is the best choice you can make

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I didnt on my M3 cause i could barely drive stick but I got so lucky

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my car does not have any of the issues that are common

sharp star
real edge
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..I am not receiving any such prompts

sly elk
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i get full screen ads for windows 11 on my old computer sometimes lol

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but that one can run windows 11

sly elk
lost python
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sometimes i wonder if its a US thing. i have seen so many news in the past 10 years about microsoft bothering people with ads, popups etc but the most bothersome i have ever had was when they added this weather&news widget to the taskbar lmao

sly elk
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eg someone with insider knowledge on the jeep/chrysler/whatever forum is like "oh yea they just released a TSB for that thing you all have been complaining endlessly about. It's #9823523235" and then people go to the dealer and whine about said TSB existing until the dealer gives in

sly elk
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but the TSB existing isn't a promise that the dealer will be willing to do the warranty work (they HATE doing warranty work) and if you're out of warranty you're SOL

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I shit you not, at least 1/3 of chrysler/jeep/dodge/ram dealers won't do warranty work on your vehicle if you didn't buy it from that specific dealer location

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those are also the ones that like sticking $10k markups on everything

sly elk
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like I'm telling ya, the full screen windows 11 ads are definitely a thing

lost python
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never had them so far

sly elk
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they look like that

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and iirc if you click 'keep windows 10' it takes you to another full-screen nag screen pleading you to accept windows 11

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also if you use edge to download another browser it'll nag you

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setting up windows without an online MS account is also annoying

celest violet
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W11 is a pain

dreamy chasm
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this looks.. interesting

sly elk
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i do use w11 on my gaming pc, because it's a gaming pc...

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i've thought long and hard about just giving up on pc gaming and switching to a mac studio lol ๐Ÿ˜„ or tossing linux on it to use when i'm not gaming. still pondering it.

devout nexus
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that probably makes cabling a lot nicer damn

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damn i guess they are for seasonic chassis only

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so buying them without the case might run into issues :/

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i just bought a container of the PSU so you peaked my interest

celest violet
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Damn that'd be cool af, shame it's seasonic case only

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Sometimes I debate on getting a different psu just because mine is a massive ass block

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I have had an evga g2 1300w for a good while now

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Hefty fella for sure

devout nexus
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wow and its only 1 case too

wide hill
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pog

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AI pin review

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700 dollar phone with no screen with a subscription model

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lmaoo, it even throttles if it gets too hot, and basically makes it 100% unusable

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how does it even do get that hot, is it because of the lights, camera and the speaker??

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i thought it was a cloud service thing

sly elk
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ooo this is pretty

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it'd look better without that drawer

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and maybe with a blue imac xD

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or a yellow imac...

modern iris
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I switched to mostly console with PC for RTS/strategy/sim games, Diablo, and Granblue Rising.

dire viper
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sly elk
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you know, it's a damn shame I can't play music over a usb-c to lightning cable with the airpods max >>

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that's dumb

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maybe they'll fix it in the usb-c version if they make one haha

sly elk
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you know, it'd be funny if MS revoked all the windows 10 licenses when support ends unless you pay for the support fee

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i really could see them being that desperate for money too hahha

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just making win10 installs refuse to boot anymore

hollow hamlet
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whats the counter to a monitor that reflects ALL black area with a very faded reflection of the surrounding room, when the windows are open? Glossy coating?

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gaming is unplayable with the windows open in dark areas, holy fucking shits its bad, but I like how lit my room is

deep sapphire
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most monitors have a matte finish that also helps with eye strain but HDR content looks a lot better on a glossy panel (IMO)

sly elk
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YMMV

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OLED monitors do have glossy screens usually

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sooo it's something like

  1. classic matte antiglare. Grainy texture in the image. Most office screens (like dell ultrasharps) have this one.
  2. 'semigloss' idk what it's called. This one's also antiglare (not shiny) but it's not grainy and it's kinda reflective. These are the best kinda antiglare for image quality and most popular graphics design screens have this.
  3. glossy plastic screen - often has orange peel. Usually seen on cheap laptops.
  4. glass screen - think studio display or imac or most phones. Those are the best glossy screens because there's no orange peel
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disappointingly my odyssey 57 has that first kind ><

hollow hamlet
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LG 27GN950-B if it helps

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I can't see what coating it has

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well the monitor says 27GN950, but the place I bought it lists the order as 27GN950-B

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ok the monitor lists both 27GN950-B and 27GN950 lol

devout nexus
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the asus glossy is AMAZING i saw it at CES and was just blown away

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im buying one in a few weeks when its back in stock

hollow hamlet
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holy shit helldivers 2 is unplayable with the windows open omg

sly elk
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LG monitors tend to have #2

hallow scaffold
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Like almost everyone else says, the Humane Pin is just a smartphone but worse. Same thing is gonna happen that Rabbit thing.

sly elk
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Amazon did me dirty

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they had it as a bundle where the warranty was free but then they charged it newegg style. but the warranty had a 15 day return policy lol ๐Ÿ˜„

sly elk
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if I have one beef with macbook airs is that's they put the 2 usb ports on the left >>

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why not one on the right ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

sly elk
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rawr!

wraith agate
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More like 4 tonnes of death

sharp star
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Fuck money I guess, I ordered Kryosheets

dreamy chasm
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Just be careful w/ em

sharp star
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Yeah I will

sharp star
inland mauve
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god I don't understand how Youtube works at all

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one video gets 400 views, another gets 4

sharp star
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algorithmic bullshit

inland mauve
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uploading a video through Android was a mistake

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I will try again

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and see what happens

lost python
buoyant wasp
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Skype was immediately leave

dire viper
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Get out!

dire viper
kind rune
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my dog keeps pushing my desk when she lays down because of how lightweight it is Ragey

snow cypress
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is the steelseries arctis nova pro wireless worth $300?

cerulean talon
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I finally got proper XMP on the first boot of a new rig \o/ Am pleased.

deep sapphire
sly elk
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google says they're $212 with a coupon on steelseries website

cerulean talon
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In the middle of building this thing a custom windows ISO.

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.>

kind rune
sly elk
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AORUS MASTER

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good furniture is expensive x_X

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of course that's not a 100% thing - you can buy crappy expensive furniture and good cheap furniture sometimes

potent arrow
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holy shit Intel losing their minds is so funny

sharp star
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Intel's so fucking funny lately

modest moss
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Laughs in 12700k

sharp star
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laughs in AMD

deep sapphire
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The problem is the boards they put some auto overclocking bullshit on and allow the CPU to take as much power as they want

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I was having the same fuckin problem on certain games, in particular UE5 games and it made no sense to me until I read about ASUS "multicore enhancement" setting which just removes the TDP cap and runs everything maxed out all the time

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so fuckin stupid why is that on by default

real edge
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assus

sly elk
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i like my 7800x3d :3

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AND BLACK MSI MOTHERBOARD

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lmao i need to clean my tower up and turn the back fan around

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can't believe i put it back on the wrong way lmao

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i guess that's ok though. Whether it acts as exhaust or intake really doesn't matter that much since I use the 3x120 aio fans as exhaust at the top

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desk pic from last night? :3

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i put my old squier in open g tuning so I can practice "Start me Up" XD

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aaand... yeaa... laptop speakers make for my favorite 'practice amp' setup right now >>

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the guitar amp is too unpredictable

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it's either too quiet or suddenly too loud >>

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and last tiem I used it I swear it was cutting out in a weird way, maybe because i had the volume too low

dreamy chasm
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I need to work on my current guitar

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I just got copper tape in for my electric a few days ago but I've been too lazy to take the thing apart and actually tape up the insides

sly elk
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neat lol

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that one clearly doesn't have tape inside because it's a squier ๐Ÿ˜„

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my fender doesn't have tape either though idk if they put any kinda lining in there but if they did it's painted over

lost python
sly elk
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I've had that hamburger cd case a long time xD

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ah yep! got it in 2010

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at frys electronics in las vegas ^_^

outer sand
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sly elk
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that's really dumb

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but funy

outer sand
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Aftershock is a PC builder shop lol

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Ive seen various like aquarium and reusing guitar

eternal zinc
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cooler with oled screen

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so the trend nowadays is not rgb but screen everywhere

lost python
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20 years from now we will have coolers that display some holographic shit into your case

dreamy chasm
dreamy chasm
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I need a new soldering iron

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The yihua I got 12 years ago is starting to

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frog3 reach the end of its life

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it looks like

inland mauve
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guitar maintenance?

dreamy chasm
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Kind of

dreamy chasm
inland mauve
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cool beans

dreamy chasm
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Cleaned up the signal a good bit

inland mauve
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ohh

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my bass makes a ton of noise just by being plugged in

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i-is it not supposed to do that?

celest violet
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Did you max the gain and scoop the mids ๐Ÿค”

inland mauve
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um, in English, four-eyes?

sly walrus
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did you crank it

inland mauve
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I refuse to answer that question

sly walrus
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guess you're ready to start a sunn o))) cover band

celest violet
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Did you activate cheap heavy metal mode lmao

dire viper
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Average NVIDIA exec

inland mauve
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for some reason the mail app on my pc can no longer connect to my outlook account

celest violet
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2 clean installs of w11, and both times this and another file were picked up as 'viruses'

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The windows os is beautiful

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Most likely the software, but funny that it feels like it's cannibalizing itself

deep sapphire
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virus found

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MSI

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yeah that fits

burnt swallow
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How knowledgeable are you when it comes to HDMI and DisplayPort

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I has question

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I no longer has question

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My Switch Dock is bad time to get it replaced nyaissa

random marlin
sly elk
# random marlin

Itโ€™s crazy to think not that long ago that would have been a room of servers

cerulean talon
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This processor benchmarks well past insanity.

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10/10 investment.

deep sapphire
sly elk
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yeaa i need that to get 240hz

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i'd like to actually see a gpu that can run a recent aaa game at 240fps on my 7680x2160 monitor ๐Ÿ˜„

wide hill
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they forgot to add the architecture detection correctly

sly elk
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i like using firefox for discord

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one less app on my computer lol

pine thistle
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discord using less resources does sound like an advantage tbh

sly elk
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that's why i like running it in browser. No overlays. no seeing what other apps I'm running. none of that shit.

sharp star
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New "paste", new temps

sly elk
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The problem I have with adaptive cruise: if you set your gap too wide, usually the suggested gap, people keep swerving into it, so it makes for a very nauseating drive if you are somewhere with not enough traffic that you are moving slowly, but too much traffic that people don't have to change lanes.

Sounds like we need adaptive horn control for when people do that.

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^ lol

sharp star
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Expensive little sheet

sly elk
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G.SKILL

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also surprised you're using the pressure plate. i thought those were only needed for the intel ones

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i am far too lazy to take apart my computer AGAIN to install one of those XD

potent arrow
sly elk
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YEA!

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I just was surprised to see one

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that's all a good point though XD I don't think they existed when i bouhgt my 7800x3d

lost python
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glad to see that even my old 980 runs the benchmark pretty well at 1440p, if you aint on max settings

golden stream
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howzit tho?

lost python
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yeah dawntrail benchmark

smoky dagger
smoky dagger
wide hill
smoky dagger
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Oh

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I thought you used Nvim for a second

wide hill
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i use default dark vscode

smoky dagger
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Me when I see someone who doesn't use lightmode

outer sand
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what do you guys think of trackIR?

lost python
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good stuff

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used it a lot back in the day for DCS and elite

dire viper
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Yuh trackIR is good

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Just buy the one that has the headset Mount cause they actual eye tracking is iffy unless you do a bunch of stuff

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Donโ€™t wear glasses, the room doesnโ€™t have any direct sunlight etc

dreamy chasm
fathom steeple
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no

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at best itll save you minor amount of ram

dreamy chasm
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My browser client's more responsive than the default desktop one

mystic vale
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any pc builders in here? i want to upgrade my cpu from a amd 3600, but im torn between between the 5700X3D and the 5800X

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which would be better?

wide hill
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5800x is better

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the thing you will get from the 5700x3d is that it has an igpu, which you won't use if you already have a gpu

lost python
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what

wide hill
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or does it?

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idk

lost python
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in pretty much every game the 5700x3d is much faster

wide hill
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huh, i guess i was looking on spec wise that it runs on a lower clock

lost python
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it has the 3d vcache

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hence the x3d name

wide hill
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ah yeah looked it up now

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it does not have an igpu

lost python
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in CPU heavy applications like photoshop or blender rendering on CPU etc the 5800x would be better due to the extra cores but in gaming its much worse due to the missing 3d cache

wide hill
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yeah then it would be better to go for the 5700x3d

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its like 96MB l3 cache vs 32MB

lost python
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ye, in games here is the average

wide hill
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found one for ffxiv

celest violet
lost python
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the 5900x isnt really much different from the 5950x in games

real edge
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its slightly worse cause its 6 cores per CCD instead of 8

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but not that much different

cold yacht
severe kestrel
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Dang, 7.0 is actually pretty scalable!
It's not pretty, but with everything turned down, it actually runs on this old i5-3570 + rx550 (2gb)

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MFW I have to turn res scaling down to 80%:

sly elk
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not so much a laugh that a 2 year old i5 ties it

prisma harness
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yeah 12th gen intel hit that giant boost. but havent seen as good of a boost in 13 and 14 comparatively

sharp star
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been doing some image comparisons

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It sucks that SE does not include presets for DLSS and that it's highly aggressive

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Here's another comparing DLSS presets A and C

lost python
cold yacht
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i swapped to FSR for the benchmark

sharp star
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I heavily dislike FSR1 so I'm not using that

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It's either DLSS or native for me

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I did replace the DLSS .dll with version 3.7

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the version in the benchmark is 3.5.10

latent ore
cold yacht
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i5 is good enough

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yeah DLSS just worse all round for me on the bench mark

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got more blocky stuff on DLSS

sharp star
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I have a friend on an i3 and heโ€™s set at 1080p

sharp star
cold yacht
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i just kept it at FSR for now

cosmic rivet
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Hello. A friend of mine got a bad result at the benchmark so we looked for a new set up.

MSI B760M-P DDR4
Intelยฎ Coreโ„ข i5-12400F Prozessor (2,5 GHz)
16 GB G.SKILL Ripjaws V DDR4
MSI GeForce RTXโ„ข 4060 VENTUS 2X BLACK 8G OC (8GB VRAM)
1 TB M.2 NVMe SSD

Can this increase the Benchmark-Score (higher than 8000)? She plays on full HD

paper tusk
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it should smoke the benchmark

lost python
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but try to get anything other than the 4060 if possible

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its not a good card for the money

cold yacht
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Could try find a 3070 thatโ€™s on sale

cosmic rivet
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Her current system btw:

Intel Core I7 4790
MSI GeForce GTX 1660
16GB DDR3

cosmic rivet
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Tbf

cold yacht
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Oof

cosmic rivet
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Shes only looking to play FF with it

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The rest she would play on PS5

sly elk
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soo

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what benchmark are you running?

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should I try it? XD

cosmic rivet
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she runs the Dawntrail Benchmark

cosmic rivet
modest moss
neon shell
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So I know that this is pretty good, but for some reason there's like one cutscene with minor lag. I'm not sure why

lucid bison
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Guys, I have a question about GPU temperature. During the benchmark the HotSpot of my GPU reaches max 86 degrees, with an average of 75~80. Is that TOO much? The fan speed is set to 80%, should I try increasing it?

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My case is not the best, its a small form factor ITX case

modest moss
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That's fine

kind wagon
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Any way to check the fps of the benchmark?

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I thought that I couldn't even run the game/benchmark because my cpu is weaker that the minimum requirement one but was surprised to get Fairly High (6526) on 1920x1080 with most stuff on low or normal

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But I want to see the fps of the benchmark in order to know if I should lower something or I can keep it as it is

modest moss
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If you hit save at the end it'll generate a text document with your average FPS and minimum FPS

kind wagon
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Ooh, I see, I'll try that

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Thanks

outer sand
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๐Ÿฅฒ noooo

potent arrow
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the tracker thing sticks to my headphones lol

dire viper
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yes

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TrackIR in its normal iteration uses an IR light that reflects off your eyes to then track them

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the trackIR everybody uses cause it actually works is the one with the clip that goes on your headset

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@outer sand @potent arrow

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US Pricing, but you want the one with the clip

potent arrow
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I have the pro lol

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it works much better anyways

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I don't use it much anymore tho tbf I have a diff set up with the index

dire viper
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gah damn

sharp star
sly elk
sly elk
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a flash picture basically cost $3 in film/flash/printing

real edge
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other than that it looks fine

outer sand
sharp star
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I just finished the MSI Claw review and lmao @ MSI tampering with their review sample

dire viper
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MSI moment

potent arrow
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fucking msi lol

sly elk
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k next time i'm buying a gigabyte motherboard lol

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just to not buy asus or msi

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i haven't had a problem with msi but everyone and their brother hates them so

paper tusk
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not sure if anyone has noticed about the benchmark but se's programming is so fucking lazy that you can straight up mod in regular full feature dlss in

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there's some performance loss but visually it's much less jarring

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(since results screen is worst case scenario)

sharp star
potent arrow
# sharp star

its funny how nobody worth their salt would recommend them now

outer sand
earnest sedge
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Okay this is odd, my logitech mouse left click works normal again???

pine thistle
earnest sedge
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yup

pine thistle
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mine fixed itself too somehow after a few months

earnest sedge
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yesteday i still had the issue and today its gone

sly elk
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This looks so bad lol

dreamy chasm
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I feel like this is part of the risk with computer startups

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They kind of don't have the budget to fix issues like these overnight

umbral moss
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Maybe they broke the debounce compensation with an update and figured it out after a few days

earnest sedge
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no new update from what I see

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Strange

pine thistle
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and definitely not software related

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you can find reports of it for years now

dreamy chasm
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it's either debounce

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or just the switch having whatever dirt was causing the double clicking getting dislodged some how

earnest sedge
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I like blew the mouse, used my pressurized gas can and other shit and it didnt fix it and then now it works again

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Like I am really confused

dreamy chasm
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could just be the dust dislodging itself

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unless the driver software itself has had any updates that changed the debounce timing on it

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the switches logi tend to use are pretty renowned for having awful double click issues with the debouce timings they come with stock

umbral moss
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I remember my razer imperator had some ghastly quintuple click issue because they set the debounce so aggressively so it rattled off like a hair trigger full auto mod

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Had to finally get rid of it because if you didn't apply a whisper worth of pressure to the switch it would just click infinitely

pine thistle
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for my G502 I just had to slam the left click for a few months to prevent the double click and then it eventually fixed itself

umbral moss
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Percussive maintenance wins again

dreamy chasm
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ive just resorted to buying mice that come with debounce settings baked into the software

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i have my current one set to 1ms and I don't have issues but

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it's nice to know I can just adjust that in case I get double click issues and can't be fucked to resolder new switches

umbral moss
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I'm really surprised there isn't any bespoke mouse design out there

dreamy chasm
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the solution most companies have landed on are just optical switches

umbral moss
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You can customize your keyboard for days with a million weird mods and then there's your mouse with whatever garbage the oem decides to give you

dreamy chasm
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but the issue with those are a lot of them are pretty divisive when it comes to "feel"

dreamy chasm
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some mice have come with hotswap sockets for their switches but

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it isn't nearly profitable enough for companies to pick it up as a main selling point

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i do hope that changes at some point

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I do have a cheap roccat mouse I bought from taobao that has optical switches by default

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but

umbral moss
dreamy chasm
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i had to stop using it since they were so heavy in the actual pressure needed to register a click that I had to stop using them

umbral moss
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It's like, nobody makes a cutting edge sensor package with the ability to modify the input of the mouse at all

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You get whatever garbage they put in there and you're going to like it

dreamy chasm
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yeah

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ive just resorted to getting handy with a soldering iron

umbral moss
dreamy chasm
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tbh, there's very little difference between most of the mainstream gaming sensors these days

umbral moss
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Is there anything better than the 3366?

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I thought that was the gold standard for optical sensors

dreamy chasm
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The 3370 and 3395 are the defaults at this point iirc

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there are minute differences but it shouldn't really matter unless you're particularly sensitive to them

umbral moss
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Do they also have zero maccel baked into their controller?

dreamy chasm
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most mainstream gaming mice should have that by default

umbral moss
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Like I thought that was the main selling point on the 3366, it's a true mouse movement

dreamy chasm
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even the 20 dollar taobao 3370/3395 mice you can find tend to have pretty decent implementations nowadays

umbral moss
dreamy chasm
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I don't think razer's used laser sensors in their recent releases for a long while

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Unless I'm missing something

umbral moss
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Isn't the mamba still a laser?

dreamy chasm
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older laser sensors do have that issue, though

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amazon page says it's an optical sensor for their latest release

umbral moss
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๐Ÿค”

dreamy chasm
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their older releases under the same name might have been laser

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I'm unsure

umbral moss
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I know the mamba used to be a laser because I had one

dreamy chasm
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That wouldn't be unsurprising

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A lot of older razer mice haven't had the greatest reputation

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They were pretty well known for using subpar sensors and just slapping dpi interpolation onto it as a selling point to try and trick people into thinking they were goodd

umbral moss
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They're all pretty bad but they were spec inflated to the moon compared to the competition

dreamy chasm
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I think they've gotten better about it recently

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yeah

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12800 DPI MAXIMUM ACCURACY

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or something dumb

umbral moss
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They had to because everyone else made real hardware changes to catch up to their bogus stats lmao

umbral moss
dreamy chasm
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yeah

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I still remember using a 3360 mouse a decade ago and thinking it was the holy grail after going through a lot of bottom barrel stuff

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needed a tape mod to reduce the LOD to tolerable levels but

umbral moss
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Not to mention those gross super high dpi settings make using windows or game menus basically impossible

dreamy chasm
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it was still pretty good for the time

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yeah

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there is a case for higher dpi interpolated lower ingame for gaming these days since a lot of current sensors do support native high dpi but

umbral moss
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I'm really surprised there isn't a program aware function that turns the dpi down for navigation purposes

dreamy chasm
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there's diminishing returns past like

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going beyond 3200 dpi

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last I checked

umbral moss
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It depends on your edpi

dreamy chasm
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yeah

umbral moss
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My cm/360 is like 2.5

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So I actually need a native 8000 dpi to avoid pixel skipping at 1440

dreamy chasm
dreamy chasm
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not all of them are on the top face of the mouse, though

umbral moss
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I use a really high edpi and it sends people to the moon if they spectate me

umbral moss
dreamy chasm
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nah, a lot of them just have a dedicated toggle buttom between m1 and m2

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not all of them, though

umbral moss
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I'm actually too 2head to remember to do that myself lmao

dreamy chasm
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yeah

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I

umbral moss
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Please automate that shit, put your dogshit Ai antics to good use for a change lmao

dreamy chasm
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kind of just set my actual dpi to the fastest I'm comfortable with

umbral moss
dreamy chasm
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and then used ingame settings to adjust it to my actual comfortable sensitivity i

umbral moss
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I just put it at 1600 and adjust

dreamy chasm
umbral moss
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Like, if fucking obs can detect if you're playing a game or not I'm sure a mouse driver can too

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But I guess that would set off every anti cheat in the world

dreamy chasm
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i dont know how they operate but

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i woudlnt be surprised

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this is my current mouse giggle

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it was on clearance sale somehow

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nabbed a copy of it for 10 bucks before it went completely OOS, it's been a dream comfort wise

umbral moss
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I think obs just looks at whether you have a full screen display open and if it's an exe that you told it to watch for

dreamy chasm
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yeah

umbral moss
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I'm sure with some ml fuckery you could have your driver determine if you're playing a game or if you have a menu open though

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It's not exactly complex to see if there's an overlay open

dreamy chasm
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it's probably not a common enough demand to warrant putting dev time into

umbral moss
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Probably, but I definitely want it so

dreamy chasm
latent ore
graceful sparrow
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How do I check my PC health, benchmark have crashed 2 times

latent ore
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Personally my choice is a razer basilisk

graceful sparrow
#

yes

latent ore
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One second let me run through the steps I know myself to make sure it does stuff

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Fuck

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Itโ€™s not working

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haha ignore me get someone elseโ€™s help

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I have to figure this out now

graceful sparrow
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damn

latent ore
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Oh if Iโ€™m correct there is a pc health check thing on windows

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I remember windows making me do it to check if I could update to windows 11

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@graceful sparrow before any of that stuff

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Have you updated your drivers?

graceful sparrow
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which driver?

latent ore
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All of them.

graceful sparrow
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uh...how do I check that...

latent ore
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Ok well start with this

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What kind of gpu do you have?

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Nvidia?

graceful sparrow
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yes

latent ore
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Click windows in bottom left and search GeForce

graceful sparrow
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the game ready driver is up to date

latent ore
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Ok

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Is your windows all up to date?

graceful sparrow
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windows 11

latent ore
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Your first step should simply be making sure everything is updated

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Not what your windows is

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Is it asking for an update?

graceful sparrow
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no

latent ore
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Ok have you tried restarting you computer before relaunching the benchmark? haha

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Iโ€™m just doing very surface level things

graceful sparrow
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I did that and it blue screen

latent ore
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Have you tried closing down other apps that are running before using it?

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Another idea is lowering the resolution of the benchmark and relaunching it

graceful sparrow
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it's just opera GX and discord

latent ore
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Yeah

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Try lowering it

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And the graphics

graceful sparrow
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and everything is low

latent ore
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Iโ€™m checking the benchmark myself now but it doesnโ€™t let you change things as much as I thought

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Thereโ€™s a few things I would say change but you canโ€™t

graceful sparrow
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I am planning on upgrading cause some games I want to play I can't run

latent ore
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Probably best to do so

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What was your specs anyways?

graceful sparrow
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it's 1660 super not 1650

paper tusk
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start (menu) > command prompt (run as administrator) (or powershell with admin perms)

sfc /scannow
dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
Dism /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup

latent ore
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Oh is it a laptop?

graceful sparrow
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no

latent ore
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Damn ASUS Tuf I always thought was laptop stuff

paper tusk
graceful sparrow
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ah ok

latent ore
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Paissa take over yes

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I hate command prompt stuff

graceful sparrow
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then type sfc?

paper tusk
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the 3 commands in order( can copy paste)

graceful sparrow
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sfc /scannow these 2 first yes?

paper tusk
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yes

graceful sparrow
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@paper tusk still go with the other commands yes?

paper tusk
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might as well

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not sure why benchmark is crashing (with the age of the system)

graceful sparrow
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the Dism /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup is stuck at 10%

paper tusk
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๐Ÿ˜

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any activity in task manager? (right click start icon)

graceful sparrow
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look at CPU yes?

paper tusk
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just a general idea of what is happening

graceful sparrow
paper tusk
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looks like it's doing something

graceful sparrow
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watching youtube

paper tusk
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oh

graceful sparrow
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also discord tab

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I forgot I had a discord tab

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@paper tusk

paper tusk
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now the cleanup command?

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nevermind

graceful sparrow
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so...

paper tusk
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hopefully that worked but not sure

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the last resort is an upgrade in place (reinstall of operating system), but it would be more useful to know what kind of error the system is vomiting up when it crashes

graceful sparrow
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running the benchmark

dreamy chasm
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Does your cpu overheat at all

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During the benchmark

graceful sparrow
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it does sing

dreamy chasm
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I did have issue with crashing when I accidentally left my cpu fan curve on the silent setting

graceful sparrow
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to be honsest I can't tell

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it's consistently pretty loud

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maybe becuase the fan is facing a wall?

paper tusk
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it might be worth replacing the thermal paste as system maintenance

graceful sparrow
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Ya think I should just replace what I have here?

paper tusk
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more that with age it gets dry and loses the ability to remove heat the cpu makes

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gen 12 cpu is fine. graphics card can probably be replaced

graceful sparrow
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would it be able to run a 30 series graphics card??

paper tusk
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I ran a 3060 ti on a 550w seasonic so 600w should be ok for a mid range card

graceful sparrow
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Thinking about getting a 2080 probably

paper tusk
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just make sure there is appropriate connectors for the card

graceful sparrow
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holy shit

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I think I'll think it to a PC store for part swaps cause I do not trust my hand with such delicate things

dreamy chasm
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The 1660 isn't amazing but it shouldn't be causing crashing

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Might be instability somewhere

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But it's hard to diagnose

graceful sparrow
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i think the better long term thing to do for me is to save up more money and get replace the parts inside

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before dawntrail

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Which also means I can play armored core cashmoney

dire viper
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celest violet
cosmic rivet
#

could this maybe run Dawntrail on 1920x1080?

paper tusk
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generally yes a 3070 swaps spit with a 4060 ti because of bad design choices

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obviously there's things the 4060 ti shines at but that goes for any newer hardware

cosmic rivet
paper tusk
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it should be plenty good

#

dawntrail isn't exactly the pc killer the increase in system specs are making it out to be (hunt trains are still going to make you wish you has a better cpu)

cosmic rivet
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Yeah, but my friend got a 6000 score on medium pc settings. That was pretty devastating for her.

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Do you think this system will rank higher? Like.. in the 10ks maybe?

paper tusk
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it should score a lot better than the laptop I'm typing on now

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and that did about 9k with dynamic res (modded dlss) disabled with modified high settings

kind rune
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why is it that when my cpu is over 4.7 ghz theres always the SLIGHTEST BIT of instability

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it could be stable for 2 weeks and then crash

paper tusk
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if it's intel 13 or 14 gen that's a known issue with unreal engine games

kind rune
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its 11th gen

paper tusk
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might be a problem with your systems' power delivery (I don't know the getup)

kind rune
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what do you mean HMMM

paper tusk
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would need more information on if the cpu is getting stable power

kind rune
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It's an 11700k and I have a 3080 with a 750 w psu

paper tusk
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since nothing for 2 weeks doesn't sounds like software or bad ssd

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are the crashes during something intense? (might be thinking graphics card power spike)

kind rune
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nope

paper tusk
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heavy gaming, rendering

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huh

kind rune
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i think the last time it happened i was in the gold saucer

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just walking around Sit

paper tusk
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this chump is stumped unless the crash log (error screen?) has more useful information

kind rune
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il have to change everything back to make it crash again

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unless i could just find where all the previous ones are

paper tusk
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might be typical flaky nvidia driver (perform clean reinstall. i would suggest 537.58 )

kind rune
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it cant be that, it stopped happening as soon as i lowered the clock speed and voltage

cosmic rivet
kind rune
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i did use ddu to reinstall them a while ago though

paper tusk
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no need to ddu unless something messed up has happened and the old things need to be nuked from orbit

kind rune
#

april fools drivers? ok

paper tusk
#

the release date

kind rune
#

o

kind rune
#

Why is there a star on these 2

paper tusk
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it might be set on those 2 cores but I don't know about ai tweeker (...) since i have a msi build

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(sorry)

cerulean talon
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Those are likely your two highest clocked cores

umbral moss
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Those might be the cores that turbo will run on if you don't force an all-core multiplier

cerulean talon
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Each chiplet tends to self-select a highest clock core and go "OH HEY I"M THE ONE"

umbral moss
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Their usual gimmick is to run two cores at super high boost clocks and use the rest of the die as an expensive heatsink

kind rune
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okay i have some shit i definitely need to experiment with

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i saved my profile and then switched to bios default and got a higher cinebench score and dawntrail benchmark score by a decent amount

umbral moss
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I don't think ffxiv is super parallel so if your two core boost clock is higher and stable it should bench higher in serial dependent applications

kind rune
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Under 1.41v cinebench crashes at 4.8 ghz all cores but at 1.41 it thermal throttles during it when going above 83 c 15

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Why does my voltage need to be so high for 4.8 ghz that can't be normal Sadge

dire viper
#

smh

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I wouldnt buy it

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unless you had proof of zero rust that is

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japanese cars rust a lot

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JDM factory cars are very bad for it

inland mauve
#

my outlook account can no longer synchronize to the Mail app

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did Microsoft fuck something up or do I need to change something?

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it is not giving me any error message beyond that the operation failed

lost python
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Shit happens sometimes. Had it too. Randomly worked again after a while and then it broke again

#

Honestly just go Thunderbird

inland mauve
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I looked into Thunderbird but to sync an Outlook account to it you need some kind of middleware

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that costs money

lost python
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i hate microsoft

wide hill
celest violet
#

Does ddr5 make much of a difference for FF14?

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Most things I see are dated posts

inland mauve
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not that I can tell

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biggest improvement is installing to SSD, it speeds up your loading times so much

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bc they optimized the game for SSD when they released the PS5 native client

umbral moss
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The power consumption goes off the rails when you start trying to go over 4.5, and you need a huge amount vcore to keep all the cores in check

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That's usually why turbo mode doesn't do all cores

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I think everyone needs to consider the old axiom about caps lock when they pitch self driving technology

sly elk
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YES!

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i wonder if they get held accountable for the damage to the bridge and inconveniencing everyone

umbral moss
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Oh god, that's depressingly common here because the Parkways are all a little too low and trucks think the "no trucks" thing is just a fine

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No, buddy, it's literally "you don't fit and you will fuck your shit up"

deep sapphire
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the state will send you a bill

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my first accident I ran into a guard rail and the state sent me a bill for it (im sure anyone with insurance would just have them deal with it)

lost python
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Maybe because they apparently have a serious issue with EVs randomly catching fire

paper tusk
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the US basically taxes it to death to protect domestic brands who are hell bent on not making accessable ev's

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(brand is owned by Geely)

dire viper
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ah yes time for all the rich people to get mad

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cause most new cars come with the higher end systems

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aka only the Mercedes S Class and EQS will be banned

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and iirc the Drive Pilot is standard on the S Class

dire viper
cold yacht
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cyber truck havin issues of accelerator getting stucked and also the tablet just bricking

paper tusk
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yeah I don't get it

wraith agate
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You can thank Alexander Hamilton for this NA mindset. Bet they didn't say this in that musical.

deep sapphire
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not that im defending tesla but most car makers have a lot of isues with defects or fit and finish with a brand new model in its first year

dire viper
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True and real

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You donโ€™t see it as often with well established brands that have been producing the same car or cars for decades

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Except cars on air suspension

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Rolls Royce even had issues with air ride

dire aurora
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do ultrawide monitors still take up more resources even if the extra pixels arent being rendered like in cutscenes

random marlin
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whats up with my headphones recently

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keeps asking for permission to pair whenever i try to connect

torpid kayak
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I tried to enter Safe Mode but it keeps frozen on the username input ๐Ÿค”

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kinda worrisome

sly elk
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I want it but itโ€™s 7k for just the parts

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Probably at least a 10k job

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Accuair makes that kit

burnt swallow
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Can any of y'all identify this CPU cooler?

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I'm trying to figure out how to install this for a friend

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But I have no idea what I'm even looking at

deep sapphire
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if a game doesnt support ultra wide resolutions you will get black borders like you said

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and it wont consume anymore resources

deep sapphire
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looks like its in the board still

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it looks like it broke though

burnt swallow
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And yeah it did break right there I guess during transit

deep sapphire
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I wouldnt use it and I would contact the seller and tell them it was damaged during transit

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you plrobably wont be able to install it anyway

burnt swallow
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The RAM is DDR3

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This system is ancient

deep sapphire
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oh

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well that cooler is fubar that bracket looks more than fucked and its missing teeth

burnt swallow
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But yeah that mounting bracket broke and I'm decently sure it's like glued to the mobo or something so I might have to break the entire thing to get it off

deep sapphire
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its probably a twist lock mechanism

burnt swallow
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I think so

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This is the other side of the fan

deep sapphire
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oh thats an AMD style mounting mechanism

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does it have a lever on the other side

burnt swallow
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The bracket?

deep sapphire
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oh im dumb

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nvm

burnt swallow
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Anyways

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They're fucking

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Spring screws

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Idk what they're called

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But they wouldn't unscrew all the way even if I could loosen them up

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I'd have to replace the whole damn motherboard to put a new cooler on here

deep sapphire
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are you sure the back plate where it screws into doesnt have something spinning

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you'll most likely have to remove the board and look at the back

burnt swallow
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I'll show you the back of it

burnt swallow
deep sapphire
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grab some needle nose pliers or any pliers and clamp those plastic retainers

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it should just come right out

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clamp and pull from the other side

burnt swallow
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Clamp on the backside and pull on the mounting bracket?

deep sapphire
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these

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they look like push pins

burnt swallow
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So they should push in and then slide right out

deep sapphire
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if they are like intel's stock cooler mounting design yeah

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you said they are screws though I dunno wtf thats about lol

burnt swallow
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I remember something similar on my old prebuilt I used to have

deep sapphire
burnt swallow
burnt swallow
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I think the mounting bracket being broke is preventing me from having the leverage to push these through

deep sapphire
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you said the screws spin and wont let you take them out, are those push pin tabs or w/e spinning while you try to unscrew it?

burnt swallow
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Let me check

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Mounting bracket is gigafucked I can't even pull on it without it breaking on me

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They're push pins

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1/4 removed

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Bracket

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FUCKING COME OFF

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Well I broke the bracket in half so it's definitely beyond salvation

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But I got it off