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lost python
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you sure you need an HDD over, for example, another TB of SSD space?
the only other thing i would say is, if possible, save up for the 7800x3d over the 7600x. it will last you a whole lot longer

viscid lake
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im looking for a future build when my old current pc goes down

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does the 7800 xt seem excessive?

torpid kayak
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seems solid to me ๐Ÿค”

zinc sluice
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dyde

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i brought out

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my old bose qc35iis

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and

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holy shit

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my game sounds so wrong

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my ears

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i need to order a new headphone NOW

torpid kayak
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XD

zinc sluice
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WHY DOES IT SOUND MORE 3D WHEN I TURN THE HEADPHONE ON

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LMFAO

snow cypress
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Is the elgato wave dx better than the wave 3 since its an xlr mic?

modern iris
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What else do you buy in a setup what are things you have that you think others should start using?

umbral moss
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If you want a battlestation hack, buy a soundbar instead of expensive "audiophile" desktop speakers

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Soundbars come with an on board dac and support hdmi so you can just run a cable from your GPU

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Unless you buy genuine audiophile grade speakers most of those expensive speakers are just pricy radio shack speakers lmao

inland mauve
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I use an Audient iD4 to drive both my headphones and my mic

lost python
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i just have a decent pair of shelf speakers for my PC. they were like 80โ‚ฌ and they sound great

solid dirge
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Ooh.

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Sub-400.

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Still mighty expensive but pretty nice

inland mauve
real edge
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you know what else is under 400$

lost python
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do you know how fucking tempted i am to buy it

inland mauve
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do you have the socket for it?

lost python
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no but that can be arranged

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but i actually went and set up a list the other day for all the parts i need to upgrade my pc and the one of my gf.
would be just about 950โ‚ฌ minus about 100-250 if i can sell some older parts. so in best case scenario, its 700 i need to spend

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worst case its about 850

inland mauve
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are you going for amd or intel?

lost python
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7800x3d so AMD

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not touching intel anymore until they someday release a CPU that doesnt require a nuclear reactor to power it

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while sweating at 90ยฐC

sharp star
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or requiring an aftermarket ILM to fix their shitty socket

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AMD's ILM is fine, that can stay

inland mauve
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I am developing all the PowerApps LupuEvil

sly elk
sly elk
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$900 'computer speakers' haha

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and they're fugly too

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and the best/worst part is they're basically the modern day logitech z5500 style because they only have 1 cone, no tweeters, afaik

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but hey they come in colors, which is nice

umbral moss
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Yeah, right? You can get a perfectly good quality Vizio 2.1 for like $150 and it will quietly fuck your face up with way higher sound pressure and better audio reproduction

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For serious listening you should get good cans, but for "I just wanna have something playing in the background" soundbars are disgusting value for the money

sly elk
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if i had the space i'd get some white yamaha hs8s

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and maybe a bigass sub ๐Ÿ˜‰

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i don't so i bought these neat little edifers that have a comically large sub that looks like something from an alien spaceship

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and the sub uses the most error prone wireless connection i've ever seen

umbral moss
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Why kill yourself with exotic speakers when a soundbar does like 90% of that for cheap as hell

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I saw a Vizio at best buy that does atmos sound imaging for like $99

sly elk
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cuz kya don't like sound bar form factor :3

umbral moss
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Is it as good as a proper 12 speaker setup with accurate beam imaging

sly elk
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againif i had room

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i'd just put some bigass floor speakers next to my tv

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proper

umbral moss
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That tiny little 30" bar does as much work as five dedicated speakers for like 20% of the cost

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And it uses an otherwise empty hdmi connection anyway, so it costs almost nothing to configure

signal fable
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I would like to have some really good speaker setup

sly elk
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edifier has plenty of options <$200 lol

signal fable
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But I doubt I will ever do that until I live with my parents

sly elk
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probably including sound bars

signal fable
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I'll go with headphones

sly elk
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or you can find yourself some legit MULTI MEDIA speakers ๐Ÿ˜‰

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jkjk

signal fable
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I got the Philips Fidelio x2hr

sly elk
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i'm easily pleased by dumb speakers though

signal fable
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I want to buy a DAC or something like that

sly elk
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my last set of speakers (which I still have laying around) are hk soundsticks lol

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they are joyfully gaudy

umbral moss
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I'm just an advocate for using clean hardware for the specific task

sly elk
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mmm

umbral moss
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I used to have a Sony ht700 on my desk and I had to leave it at like, volume 7 most of the time because it's loud as fuck lmao

sly elk
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speaking of DACs, I have been pondering buying an audio interface lol ๐Ÿ˜„

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all the 'cheap' ones are about the same though

umbral moss
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I'm also on the hunt for a dac because I want to replace my mobius sad

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I love those headphones but audeze forgot they existed after they started shipping the lcd gx, there's literally no replacement parts for them sad

sly elk
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and since i want to use mine with a guitar there's also the thought that instead of spending almost $200 on a sound board, I could buy a pod go for $375 instead lol

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(it's a cheap digital pedal board that can plug into a computer and act as an audio input device too lol)

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probably better off with a normal interface though

signal fable
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How much does it change quality wise listening music with a DAC?

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Or in general playing games?

sly elk
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ehh hahaha

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i haven't owned a cheap motherboard in a really long time. everything I use has decent DACs already.

signal fable
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It depends on what headphones you use right?

sly elk
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suuuure but a lot of it is snake oil and marketing

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like spending $200 on schiit that will make like a 0.000025% difference in sound quality

lost python
lost python
sly elk
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yea yea a 200mb FLAC file played on the finest DAC and amp on the planet is a life changing experience

signal fable
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Basically if I buy a DAC I would notice a quality difference only in games?

sly elk
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what are you plugging your headphones into?

lost python
sly elk
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imho stuff like schiit is for when you want a tube amp for your headphones to make em sound cool

umbral moss
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The only thing a dac might do is add virtualized audio, which is fucking spooky magic when it works

sly elk
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or when you have 600 ohm sennheisers

umbral moss
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If you're just passing audio clean through the dac doesn't do much and that's by design, it's not supposed to alter your signal

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That's why they have thd's that are like 0.0000005%

sly elk
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but i'm being a jerk here, i never have owned a special dac box lol

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i want an audio interface to hook my guitar and maybe an xlr mic up to

umbral moss
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A good dac is invisible, the real magic is on the amp

sly elk
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it being able to output possibly cleaner audio than my motherboard would just be a cute little bonus

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what i really need is a mixer lol ๐Ÿ˜„ my speakers are usually hooked up to my mac not my pc

signal fable
sly elk
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what kinda motherboard?

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the only problem with using the motherboard audio is sometimes it'll get noise/interference

umbral moss
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Usb dac will probably be better just because motherboard audio chips are kind of poopy

signal fable
umbral moss
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But I wouldn't recommend an rca input from your board to a dac, that's a waste of money

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You're just passing garbage through the dac

sly elk
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it can either be from the way the board is laid out, or how noisy the power management/vrms/etc for your cpu are, or if you're using the front jack on your case - how good the cable inside the case is lol

sly elk
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that's usually an amp

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dacs are just usb input

umbral moss
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Yeah, that's true

sly elk
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it's just a fancy way of saying "usb sound card" lol

umbral moss
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But I don't want anyone to be like "maybe I can Amp my mobo output"

sly elk
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i mean if it's good sure why not

umbral moss
sly elk
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also

umbral moss
sly elk
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some monitors have pretty ok dacs for their headphone jack, I find

umbral moss
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The reason I switched to soundbar is because every single analog output I put in a computer case ended up dying after a year or so

sly elk
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o_O

umbral moss
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Usb and hdmi going strong ๐Ÿ’ช

sly elk
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analog output in a computer case?

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watcha mean?

umbral moss
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Happened to five motherboards and three sound cards

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The output would just start screeching static

lost python
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wtf did you do to them

sly elk
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lmao that's what i'm wondering

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did you have a ground loop problem?

umbral moss
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Not that I can tell

sly elk
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in like 25 years of owning computers i've never experienced that lmao

umbral moss
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From what I gathered it was a windows problem because the surface I had had the same problem for like a year

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They fixed it with a windows update finally

sly elk
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that sounds a little bit plausible lol

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yeesh

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no wonder people buy dacs lmao

umbral moss
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The sound driver just decided to bomb your analog out with static randomly

sly elk
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also no wonder so many sound production people use macs

umbral moss
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That's not for any reason other than Legacy lmao

sly elk
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idk if ms had a come to jesus moment

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but windows used to have a REALLY BAD reputation for audio stuff

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especially with regards to latency

umbral moss
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Mac gets used in "creative stuff" because it always got used for creative stuff

sly elk
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nah that's a boomer thing

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well, gen-x/older millennial thing

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i don't think anyone under the age of 25 believes that shit anymore

umbral moss
sly elk
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hell most creative types I know hate macs

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with a bit of a vengeance

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i'm the mac loving hippy lol

umbral moss
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But yeah, I went to digital out and had zero problems, simple solution to an annoying and expensive problem

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I have a graveyard of soundcards going all the way back to the og sound blaster

sly elk
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O_o

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you sure your pc isn't like sarah's

umbral moss
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It's been a problem since goddamn windows xp

sly elk
# signal fable Gigabyte B650 Auros Elite AX 1.0

yea that doesn't specify what kinda dac it uses, so I assume nothing to write home about. you can always try things. Honestly if it has usb-c you could even just grab an apple usb-c headphone dongle lol

umbral moss
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I thought it was a hardware issue so I'd replace the sound card and it would reappear after a year or so

sly elk
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i've heard that one is a real popular cheap ass dac option lol

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just need a usb-c port haha

umbral moss
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Small ground level hum and eventually loud static

sly elk
umbral moss
sly elk
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imho it's fucking 2024

umbral moss
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Solves everything but most things still don't have them lmao

sly elk
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dude the case i bought in 2015 has a usb-c port on it

umbral moss
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Even new pc cases have like, what, one or maybe two usb c on the?

sly elk
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lmao sadly yea >>

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my big case has 1 usb-c port and 2 usb-a ports on the front. the motherboard has 1 usb-c port on the back. ><

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wait maybe 2

umbral moss
sly elk
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it annoys me

umbral moss
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Just plug usb c into it 6head

sly elk
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look gaming hardware is backwards ass shit

umbral moss
sly elk
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i don't think a single 'gaming monitor' has usb-c input or usb-c ports on it at all

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that giant ass samsung i bought doesn't

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not a single gaming video card has thunderbolt video ports

umbral moss
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It is absolutely fucking wild that gaming hardware is so hamstrung with stupid legacy shit

sly elk
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because they're stuck in 2002

umbral moss
sly elk
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displayport alt mode doesn't?

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that would be odd

umbral moss
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I don't know if it's in the tb spec

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Dp proper may call it from the pinout

sly elk
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i mean i understand why they didn't do this hwen they were selling pcie 3.0 gpus

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but now that we're ta pcie 4.0 and 5.0, not sure why they can't be fucked to include some thunderbolt ports

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it would make VR headsets less stupid

umbral moss
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Because they can't even be fucked to add hdmi 2.1 and dp 2.0 chips lmao

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We're in the year of the affixed god 2024 and halo gpus still don't support hdmi 2.1

sly elk
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right ;_;

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-pets his monitor that uses dp 2.0 and hdmi 2.1-

umbral moss
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One day you will witness the might of this fully operational battlestation

sly elk
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dp 1.4 is still enough to do 7680x2160 at 120hz

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good nuff

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it would be neat to try running a game at 240hz though lol

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it'd probably have to be like, quake 3 arena

umbral moss
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Wake me when it's 4k/360 wearycarby

sly elk
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probably not far from that

umbral moss
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Monitor tech hasn't caught up from what I know

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1440/360 is current gen blazingfast tech

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Then theres that weird supercomp monitor that does like 1080/560 or some shit

signal fable
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Even Oled PC monitors are kinda new

umbral moss
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Yeah, and those are still plagued with new tech problems like subpixel death

odd sand
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This is the case I have, although I think it's discontinued now: https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Crystal-Mid-Tower-Tempered-Glass/dp/B01LE0ZKR2

sharp star
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Still have my Fractal Torrent

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I love having four 180mms

sly elk
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hehe

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https://www.in-win.com/en/gaming-chassis/915 the one i use doesn't make sense ๐Ÿ˜„ but it works fine. does get kinda toasty if I game with the front door closed. but whatever.

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next time i'll try using a more sensible case

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but I do still like mine, 5.5 years later xD

sly elk
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great, one more thing for me to worry about

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tbh if that happened with my desk i'd probably have to make an insurance claim

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i'm left wondering how they don't make the motor controller stop the desk when 1 motor is moving and the other isn't

umbral moss
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Because the controller doesn't know the motor isn't moving

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If there's a short the stall current isn't being detected

sly elk
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-scratches his head- that's funny. the company that made my desk frame sold out to herman miller lol

umbral moss
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Why wouldnt they?

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Herman Miller is the wageslave furniture company

sly elk
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-recalls that scandal last year-

celest violet
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What are some monitors you guys recommend, I'm a 1440p 144 guy rn, but I'm slightly worried my main monitor is gonna go out on me soon

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I don't really know the differences between panel types a whole lot

real edge
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pin

celest violet
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What's the differences with the panel types

deep sapphire
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TN is shit, IPS is the best all around for the price and OLED is the best by far but are expensive

dire viper
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do they have any QD-OLED monitors yet

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or is it still just fuck off large shit

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"small" tv's meant for gaming

deep sapphire
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yeah

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prices are coming down pretty hard too

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wtf

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automatically opt in to this bullshit and doesnt even tell the owner

umbral moss
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Everyone does it, there was a huge article about it last year

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All these super connected cars just harvesting your data without consent or limits to scope

deep sapphire
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AAA asked me if I wanted to opt into it, I laughed and said no and even if I did how would I install it, my truck doesnt have OBD-II

umbral moss
dire viper
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that will be my next upgradeprobably then

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QD is pretty neat tech

umbral moss
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Isn't the new odyssey a qdoled?

dire viper
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I think they have a version like that

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I know Alienware has like 2 or 3 QD-OLED models and last I checked they were exceedingly expensive

cold yacht
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Finally got my car back from the shop

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Bunch of fucked up wires in my car

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Whoop thought it was Chevy chat, anyway feels nice to spend government money and not mine

dire viper
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I hope Adobe falls apart and eats shit

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one of the worst companies in existence

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im going to actively spend my time and money to push laws that make them go under

sly elk
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chrysler and toyota also do it, iirc

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toyota is the only one that puts a sticker on the dashboard of new cars telling you that they do it

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(and amusingly enough a lot of toyota owners never remove the sticker)

outer sand
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recommending living off grid if you don't want anyone to sell your data haha pretty sure some basic stuff like browsing or gmail already done it

celest violet
deep sapphire
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Yeah

celest violet
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my current one is oled but i'd have to save up for a while to afford another. I bought this one while still living with my parents

sly elk
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i think oled is fine for colors, just not sharpness?

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and even then it's probably good enough depending on the screen

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the only ones i consider bad for colors are VA and TN

solid panther
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Ill say it

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I like the codenames intel uses for their GPUs

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Alchemist, Battlemage, Celestial

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Its very nerdy

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10/10

dire viper
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real

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start naming them like italian cars

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wtf does 4080 mean call it La Dolce Vita

sly walrus
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it's the 4080th card they've ever made

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keep up

dire viper
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imagine a new NVIDIA release every day

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I bet they would if they could

glossy ravine
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Putting this here because it's related to the bird app.

So, 2 years back I contacted an artist. (Can't remember for the life of me where.) About a commission. I paid them and got the first of the commission. They then went silent.

When elongated Muskrat took over the bird app and deleted inactive accounts taking that account with it including sent DMs. Is there any way to recover those or am I SOL?

odd sand
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Send bird app CS an email/ticket and pray? paissasquint

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Or if you remember the name they used on bird app, try googling that related to other social media or art sites like pixiv etc.

glossy ravine
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I know they have/had a patreon. Evidently they aren't in the U.S/English isn't their first language

outer sand
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tbh if you give normies codename, they will be confused as hell

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I like numbers and letters, but those numbers and letters need more meaning

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not just random number thrown in

umbral moss
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The marketing for computer parts is so fucking bad endure

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You have the impenetrable number suffix system that each company uses, then you have the dickass board partners naming their shit like ultra elite black edition (but this isn't the highest tier version)

potent arrow
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I hate every single one of them

inland mauve
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the Glub Shitto WTF300X motherboard with USB 3.2 Gen 2 Hall-a

umbral moss
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My favorite is fucking gigabyte maintaining two separate GPU lines of the same sku

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They have windforce and aorus but don't tell you the fucking difference anywhere

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I enjoy having to navigate the byzantine sku number they use, plus figure out which product line it's part of, and then figure out which one it is in the product hierarchy

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Oh, and prices don't get updated unless it's a new release so you can't use price to guess at the tier of a particular item ๐Ÿ‘

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Computer marketing people should all be shot into the sun

inland mauve
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I have a Gigabyte GPU but don't ask me what line it is from

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Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING OC 24G Videokaart

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that's all I know

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I think I went for it because it was the cheapest one

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and I couldn't really figure out that was specifically wrong with the Gigabyte 4090s during my research

umbral moss
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I've never had a positive experience with gigabyte, honestly

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Every motherboard I got from them died horribly out of the blue

real edge
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my current gigabyte mobo runs fine

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and I had a gigabyte 1070 for 6 years

umbral moss
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The real winner was the obscure defect in the hard drive controller that corrupted the entire fucking drive attached to it

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So it ran fine for about a month and then the drive stopped showing up on the board

outer sand
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there should name it like initial P for PC, L for laptop, then so on so on

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detailing more parts difference, so the code isn't just random number and letter that sounds cool lol

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something that you can identiy the important spec of the parts, without having to scroll down and look up the spec list

inland mauve
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monitors are the worst offender

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usually the first few numbers tell you something about the specs but the second half of the name is just a complete wildcard

potent arrow
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im so impressed rn lol

solid dirge
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Maybe I should pick up a 5090 to replace my 2080ti when it releases

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Though tbh it's largely depending on size at this point

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Apparently we've already got tech specs for the 5080 spinning about

inland mauve
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I kind of dread how big the 5090 is going to be

solid dirge
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Not sure about size though, haven't seen anything

inland mauve
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you already have to build your entire PC around the 4090

solid dirge
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Yeah

inland mauve
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those 90ยฐ angled 12VHPWR adapters from CableMod are going to be super useful I imagine

solid dirge
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At this point I'd be happy to get a fuckin wall-mounted mobo and an gpu separately

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Have a connector runnin between the two or something

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"Ayo man where's your computer?"
Literally on the wall, no tower needed.

umbral moss
umbral moss
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Routers use a lot of power

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And if your wife has those scent plug-in things those use a shit load of power

lost python
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saw some with 15W listed which is still less than most non-LED lightbulbs

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god damn its hard to find actual numbers for these things and not just a bunch of "they dont need much".

umbral moss
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15w over how long?

lost python
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we calculate it on per hour, do americans use another timespan?

opaque river
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hello. im not sure if this is the right place to ask, but i need the help of someone that is tech savvy. i recently bought a monitor that is capable of HDR and have enabled (as far as im aware of) all the settings on both the monitor and my console (ps5). my issue is that everything is so damn bright now, even after adjusting the brightness settings etc

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anyone also use a ps5 and perhaps the odyssey g6 monitor and know how to set them up ?

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or maybe know of a tech discord or something where i could ask

solid dirge
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It shouldn't bottleneck. At all. If it does, it'll be barely so. I don't overclock shit, so.

umbral moss
umbral moss
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If I buy a 4090 for $1900 and the 5090 is a month out, that's a huge waste of money

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I'm not likely to upgrade once the thing is assembled until it's so obsolete it's whole new pc time

lost python
# umbral moss So there are 720 hours in a month, at 15wh per plug-in...

if you leave it on 24/7 then yeah it adds up
but then again, there are still plenty of people who still dont have LED lightbulbs and use halogen or similar instead.
bright bulbs of those kind need 25-50W and usually there is more than just one bulb in a lamp...

these things still dont eat a lot of power compared to all the other things people have running almost all day everyday. i still find them to be incredibly pointless though. its not like they can do anything that regular non-powered cant, not to mention that they are often just a straight up fire/life hazard because of how crappy they are manufactured

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big clive took them apart once and one model straight up exploded lmao

umbral moss
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I mean, yeah, but they're one of those "wait, what" power hogs

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If you're trying to figure out where 30kwh fucked off to and you have your house in the dark ages otherwise, that's where you start looking

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Personally I don't like them and I'd rather use wax melts when I want to have a scent but my girl loves the stupid things and they're all over the place

lost python
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we just use those with the sticks you put in if my gf wants "fresh air" and they work just fine to drastically reduce air quality in the house KEKW

umbral moss
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My girl loves strong scents so she hates those reed diffusers

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They're not strong enough after like, a hour

lost python
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cant even open the bottle without the entire place already smelling like it and its too much for me already often times

umbral moss
lost python
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but im also the guy who cant walk near a douglas or similar without getting a headache shrug

umbral moss
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To be fair the one she bought was one of those discount store things

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I think it cost like $8

lost python
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oh yeah those usually are weak af in general

umbral moss
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Ye lmao

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She had two of them and complained the entire time they had oil in the tank

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Me personally, I can't smell a damn thing in general so I have no idea if it is or isn't working haha

potent arrow
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I kinda hate those difusers too lol

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we prefer the incense sticks

umbral moss
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I like incense too but gril doesn't, it gives her a headache

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I'm a big fan of Palo Santo incense

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Although she likes the cola scented incense from five below haha

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It really does smell like a can of coke when you light it

modern iris
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i like those electric wax melters. safer when you have pets. also i feel wax melts last longer than those airwick wall plugins.

umbral moss
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It's mad cheap, like $1.25 a piece haha

potent arrow
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our house smells like paint fumes rn

umbral moss
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Maybe don't start a fire when you smell flammable solvent fumes lmao

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Sarah in two hours: "So i lit some incense sticks"

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The microwave made it though ๐Ÿ‘

potent arrow
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LAMOOOOO

sly elk
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i burn scented candles a lot

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i like incense too but I rarely if ever use that

outer sand
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what's the reason behind buying VR 256GB vs 128GB?

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does VR app use a lot of space?

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I think I'm going to pull the purchase on the quest 2 just wanted to confirm about the size

modern iris
outer sand
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ic ic, will 128gb ok yeah?

modern iris
outer sand
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ty ty

modern iris
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oh will say tho that for the quest 2 i'd definitely buy used. it's stood the test of tech time but you can get some pretty sweet deals since ppl are migrating from q2 to quest 3.

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unless ur extra precautious which is understandable

outer sand
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aroudn $120 USD converted with elite strap

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I'll probably won't be getting quest 3 since I'm using 6600xt

modern iris
lost python
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Depending on the region you might even be able to get a quest 2 for only 200-250 directly from meta, new

outer sand
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really? what the heck

lost python
#

Ye

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They had some price drops recently which people on Reddit went nuts over, primarily NA

outer sand
#

dam, nvm haha that's 300ish, I'm guessing 64gb?

lost python
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128

outer sand
#
#

price is insane for new

lost python
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Quest 3 was on sale for a while for 450 too

outer sand
#

I just need a tool to get me to practice

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I want to upgrade my license so I can drive a trailer

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comfiness in long hour is prefferd, so something with strap probably

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and that can be played with cable

lost python
#

Neat.
Either of those would be enough. Just keep in mind that most VR headsets still feel like you got diving goggles on

lost python
snow cypress
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Steelseries headsets or Corsair?

#

I currently have the Steelseries Artics 3 but looking to upgrade

buoyant falcon
#

Is anyone else getting fed up with snipper and FFXIV constantly stepping on each other ever since Windows 11 came out? <_<

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I just tried to use it while FFXIV was in full screen mode, every time I do, it suddenly goes into windowed mode and blocks my primary monitor. ><

solid dirge
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Then it turned out the 30xx series was a crapshoot

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Sooooo

sly elk
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i feel sorry saying this but

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I hate tmux

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with a passion

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terminal windows should be simple >>

deep sapphire
#
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I forgot how good those old AMD FX CPUs were at high clocks

solid panther
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good god why

sly elk
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Because they wanted the world record

torpid kayak
#

If your PC crashes into a blue screen, is it often RAM problem?

sly walrus
#

can be

outer sand
#

Any camera recommendation guys?

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Just for casual stuff, what should I look for?

cold yacht
#

@outer sand find used

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but getting a camera from the major brands is good

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well hmmm doing digital or film

outer sand
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Digital

cold yacht
#

yeah getting a used dslr camera is nice

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from like nikon, canon, or sony

sly elk
#

-hides his panasonic-

outer sand
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I haven't heard that brand for a long time lol

potent arrow
#

panny is fine

potent arrow
outer sand
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Amazing it's still there

potent arrow
#

Lumix is pretty big and popular

#

just doesn't go by Panasonic in NA it's odd

outer sand
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I like Sony, my studio headphones is Sony, not sure about the camera quality

potent arrow
#

well you have DSLR and Mirrorless

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Sony mainly sells Mirrorless cameras

outer sand
#

Last time big stuff was cybershot

potent arrow
#

their a7 line is their higher tier stuff

outer sand
#

Pros and cons? ๐Ÿค”

potent arrow
#

cybershot is a compact not DSLR or mirrorless

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DSLR has a lens in it that moves
Mirror less is just straight to sensor
in very basic terms

#

if you are learning and don't want to spend much, buy a used DSLR

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Canon rebel and Nikon DSLR are the most common learners cameras and very affordable

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DSLRs and Mirrorless are the real deal, you are wasting a lot of money if you are not gonna learn to use it properly imo

cold yacht
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I still use my used Nikon d3200

potent arrow
#

^

cold yacht
#

Costed me $180 at my local photography shop

potent arrow
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I love those things lmao

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I still have a rebel ti3 that I use when I know I don't want to damage my A9 lmao

outer sand
cold yacht
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Sort of

outer sand
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Ok

potent arrow
#

there's a lot to it

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Shutter, aperture, iso, focus

outer sand
#

There's no manual? Or you need to watch the surrounding, lighting etc?

potent arrow
#

etc

cold yacht
#

Thereโ€™s a lot of nuance in photography that a lot donโ€™t think about

potent arrow
#

This isn't a phone, you need to understand basic theory

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if you just want to point and shoot, a compact camera is much better

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then there's lens options and more lmfao

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it's good to learn if you really are interested in the art

cold yacht
#

Ye, but if you want to get into nitty gritty then a used dslr is a starting point

potent arrow
#

exactly

cold yacht
#

I say as Iโ€™m slacking off on my photography project

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At least one of my photos is getting featured in the school news paper

potent arrow
#

I have a whole 80-100tb of unedited raws

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just...chilling lmao

cold yacht
#

I started to post my photos on social media

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Slowly building a following

potent arrow
#

I have given up on social media tbh

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my works are mostly for my business

cold yacht
#

Itโ€™s a hobby thing for me

potent arrow
#

my hobby photography is done on analog strictly now

cold yacht
#

Though I did get asked for car photoshoots

outer sand
#

Maybe I'll have to think about it. You are right. time constraint

outer sand
#

Ok looking at the used price I think I'm going to rent instead..

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If I ended up a backlog of photo editing...

sly elk
#

canon sells a very wide variety of cameras, even in the R series

#

I can't remember the numbers but they have everything from a $500 camera that can easily be beat by most phone cameras most of the time, to stuff that costs more than a house

#

pihole dashboard?

#

my favorite thing about pihole is sometimes it breaks stuff

#

in a stealthy manner

#

the most recent it broke for me was windows updates lol

solid panther
#

jumping to a 4070ti from a 2070s, and to a 14700k from a ryzen 5 5600x

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and yes I know AMD has been doing better on the CPU front but It is what it is

#

but more importantly, DDR5 instead of DDR4 finally

#

All in all the build is costing me around 2500 AUD

#

technology is fucking expensive in Aus

real edge
#

tbh you could have went to a 5800X3D and seen little to no difference either way because the 4070ti cannot take full advantage of the 14700k

#

well that is my opinion anyway

solid panther
#

There'll always be a bottleneck

#

This idea that you can remove a bottleneck is a fallacy

#

you can just try to make it as least noticeable as possible

#

I'm not really going to notice an issue with this build

#

Not playing at 1440p max

#

Plus I'll probably upgrade to a 50 series if it ends up being good

sly elk
#

nuh I mean

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unless you have a good reason for that 14700k, the 5800x3d is gonna be great

solid panther
#

And as I just said, I understand AMD has been doing better

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but its hardly like the 14700k is shit

#

I try to stick with things i'm familiar with even if I'm sacrificing something in doing so

sly elk
#

i didn't say the 14700k was shit

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just that buying new ram and a new motherboard seems like a waste if you can get a 5800x3d and get good nuff performance with that 4070ti

#

but!

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maybe you wanted a new motherboard ๐Ÿ™‚

#

nothing wrong with that either ^^

#

that was kinda me when I went 9700k -> 7800x3d

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and for me it was the first time building amd lol

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'cept for one time when I was a kid I tried to upgrade my cyrix 266 to a k6-2 500mhz and a tnt riva 2

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and the computer kept crashing with those so I sent em back thinking the gpu was defective and the cpu was fine

#

turned out the cpu was defective and the gpu was fine xD

#

yea those are different things? like assigning vlans to ports vs using the firewall to isolate certain traffic to a vlan

#

dollar stores are such a ripoff now

#

they were not a bargain before really

#

you know, they'd sell you a box of brand name candy for $1, but it had about half what the $2 package had

#

but now they'll sell you that half-the-size package for $2 ><

outer sand
#

Anyone knows what these means? Lol

#

Swap for a motorbike? ๐Ÿค”

lost python
#

yeah he only wants to trade for a bike
and also tries to advertise piracy lmao

umbral moss
#

Why do you need to pay him an extra 150 for the hacked version?

#

Isn't it already hacked lmao

#

This entire post reads like

outer sand
#

haha I have no idea

#

how do I determine which one is better DSLR?

umbral moss
#

It's the one you can afford and fits your use case

#

That's the best one

outer sand
#

I'm looking at 600D and D5100

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just buy the one I can afford? problem is I can afford more expensive, but I don't think I will have time to take photo and edit all day haha

umbral moss
#

I have a d5100, it's pretty good but the sensor doesn't like low lux conditions, very noisy when you crank the sensitivity past iso... 2000ish?

#

Been a while since I used my 5100 instead of my d500

outer sand
outer sand
umbral moss
#

Honestly, if it were up to me Id get the d7200

#

The 7200 shares most of its guts with the d500, just not the high speed continuous shot processor or the xqd slot

#

But if you want something lighter to carry all the time, you might want a micro four thirds camera like a fujifilm

#

Bigger sensor, bigger body, bigger lenses

#

So while yes, a full frame d5 will take amazing photos, it's heavy as fuck and the lenses are huge

outer sand
#

forreal, the listing I'm seeing will turn me into a professional cameraman haha

umbral moss
#

Again, you need to figure out what you actually want to use it for and then buy what fits your use case

#

Sensors are basically all made by sony so they all perform about the same, you're choosing a body based on lens options, weight, and color grading algorithm (if you're a numpty who only uses in-camera processing)

outer sand
#

my use case is to get a camera that's probably can take a photo for website background, cars, engines, guitar, and professional and travelling photoshoot probably @umbral moss

#

is that the correct way to mention my use case? ๐Ÿค”

umbral moss
#

Auto focus is another one, and I personally think nikon's dslr pdaf is the best

#

But their on sensor cdaf in dslrs sucks haha

umbral moss
#

Full frame lenses are heavy as fuck, a 24-70 f/2.8 is like 6 pounds of glass with no body

outer sand
#

I think this one is perfect size, what do you think?

#

it's the listing I linked above, but it's canon though ๐Ÿฅฒ

#

are you a Nikon person?

umbral moss
#

I shoot nikon, yeah

#

I don't know from Canon to be like x is based

#

But they're all about equivalent in the last product gen for dslr

#

Sensors are basically iso invariant so you only get shot noise under low lux conditions (there's little to no noise introduced from the gain circuit)

outer sand
#

24 megapixel, higher than the 600D

umbral moss
#

The d3200 is poop, is why

#

It doesn't have any manual shoot function and it has a very crippled processor compared to the rest of the cameras in the line from that model year

#

It's entry level and it shows because of how little care nikon put into it

outer sand
#

I see..

#

hmm

outer sand
#

I don't think I can find D7200 that within my price range

#

I'll set my budget to <$200 AUD haha

#

how do I check the shutter count in a camera? ๐Ÿค”

#

whaa, there are a lot of 5100 in used market, perhaps this is really a good choice back then

#

tbh there's so many big words, I'm a bit overwhelmed lol

outer sand
# umbral moss It doesn't have any manual shoot function and it has a very crippled processor c...
#

I feel like there's much better choice for and accessories..

potent arrow
#

like I said before, do some reading on the hobby before buying a DSLR

#

doesn't do you any good if you don't know what f stop or focal lens means lmao

#

or like it's iso range etc

inland mauve
#

does this camera have DEZ?

potent arrow
#

Rico I will put you in the ground for making a Deez nut joke

inland mauve
dire viper
#

@outer sand @potent arrow Iโ€™ve been using a work horse camera for a while, the Canon Rebel T5. Itโ€™s honestly a fantastic camera cause pictures look great and lenses and what not can be and for reasonable prices. Really good for learning cause Canon is a fairly large standard in the market and I see Canonโ€™s go for cheeeeap

#

I got my Rebel T5 for 250 bucks with a 75-300mm lense, a fisheye to 55mm lense and a high capacity SD card

#

Half of photography is editing depending on what youโ€™re doing

potent arrow
#

I literally brought up the rebel series lmaoooo

#

very good learners camera are the rebel series so

dire viper
#

Ye

#

The marketing for them is 100% aimed at beginners

sly elk
#

like think about most cases you'd want to use it

#

to me that would be recording video, or taking pictures of myself in them with an auto timer xD

#

but if I'm always taking pictures it doesn't matter :3

umbral moss
#

On sensor cdaf is dogshit compared to how fast the slr pdaf sensor module can rack the lens

sly elk
#

ah i was thinking about how panasonic only recently added pdaf

#

but uh

#

an s5 is a bit more expensive than a rebel t5 so there's the whole budget thing

#

bla i still am thinking about getting an audio interface and haven't bought one yet lol

#

i think id on't want a scarlett because everyone buys a scarlett

#

and SSL 2s are kinda ugly

#

audient id4 mkii, everyone speaks highly of those but the reviews have an interesting amount of 1* where it either breaks after a couple years, or driver support is janky

#

the universal audio stuff is expensive and never goes on sale

dire viper
#

I need to get an actual mic for my T5

#

so I can do car vids

sly elk
#

๐Ÿ™‚

potent arrow
dire viper
#

hmmm real

sly elk
#

yea maybe

#

i bought one of those little ones that clips onto the top of my camera

#

i never use it lol

#

the dead cat it comes with is amusing enough though

#

ah I see they call it a 'furry windshield'

#

random hackernews post:

I use my Vision Pro for 10 hours a day on many days, comfortably

#

-shudder-

outer sand
#

They are about the same price,but the Nikon has higher megapixel

#

I think t5 is outside my budget but If it has more lens probably I'll think about it

umbral moss
#

The d5100 is solid for the most part but it does have a bit of an issue with read noise when you crank the iso up

#

It doesn't like very low light conditions, but takes fine pictures when you're at iso 100-1000

#

Nikon generally has the best lens choices since f mount is like 60 years old so you can find a lens for whatever you need

cold yacht
#

Eh most noise not too much of an issue

#

Then again I have a really shallow lens of 1.8

umbral moss
#

I mean, at some point you just can't jam enough light in there lmao

#

The extended iso really shows it, you're Gucci before you hit hi 1

cold yacht
#

Usually night time photos is like 1600iso 1.8lens, and 1/50 shutter speed

#

Well night time with ambient lights and not direct

umbral moss
#

1600 is about the effective end of the d5100 sensor range before read noise starts making everything grainy

cold yacht
#

Denoise tools gotten really good as well

umbral moss
#

New sensors have practically no read noise so any "grain" you see is just shot noise

cold yacht
#

I like my d3200

umbral moss
#

The d3200 is fine if you never need a manual shooting feature sad

cold yacht
#

I only shoot in manual now a days on my d3200

umbral moss
#

Did they add it back in? I remember seeing very limited options when I tested one

#

The d500 has like five million settings you can change

cold yacht
#

My camera has manual

umbral moss
#

Turning on manual mode in my d500 can get you lost in the weeds real quick

sly elk
#

Buying those is like buying Tom's shoes

#

For every x670e godlike msi sells to a chump, they give one away to a YouTuber

#

Lord have mercy

dire viper
#

what even is this

#

oh cringe night vision

#

idek why people are going crazy over that now

#

do you not have eyeballs?

sly elk
#

nono it's even worse @dire viper it's slightly more sophisticated adaptive cruise control

#

autosteer/autobrake

dire viper
#

uh oh

sly elk
#

yea the part that makes me go ElezenSneering is that there's so many comments about it from satisfied owners

#

i've always known that the first result on youtube when you look up any aftermarket radio or car model is

#

<car model> watch video while driving

#

or "disable parking brake"

#

or whatever it is that allows watching youtube on your screen while driving

#

wtf it isn't anymore interesting

#

this comment I find interesting

#

I'm a motorcycle rider, Comma user, and I've also worked in the self driving car industry for the past 8 years..

#

... The 0.1% of time that you run over a pedestrian or bicycle, isn't an acceptable loss.. that's why there are still trained operators behind the wheel in most cases.

sly elk
#

Yes, on comfort for 10 hours. I have even worked 12 hours, then watched a long 3D movie (Blade Runner 2049, Dune I, etc.) without hesitation.

#

imagine having a vr headset strapped to your head 12 hours lol

sly elk
#

gah! reading more on reddit about audio interfaces

#

THEY ALL SOUND LIKE A PAIN IN THE ASS

outer sand
#

idk why quest 2 only have a white colour, annoying

#

actually deter me to actualy buying it, lol, how's quest 1? haha

sly elk
#

Is worth mentioning that M2 is supposed to work best with Mac computers, there is a lot of talk on that topic on the MOTU-forums. Windows just doesn't work as well with the drivers, and I have seen MOTU-staff commenting people should switch to Macs and be happy.
this makes me laugh :3

outer sand
#

audio interface was my saviour cause I didn't have enough budget to buy an amp lol

#

my first guitar budget was $300 AUD lol

#

and I still keep it

sly elk
#

i wanna get one to play with simulated amps and stuff

outer sand
#

yeah, good idea

#

it will save you a lot of money if you don't plan to gig

sly elk
#

just not sure what I want to blow $150-300 on lol

outer sand
#

then if you have money, you can switch to those amp modeler

sly elk
#

and the thing about the upper end

#

and $300 is still, in the grand scheme of things, a cheap audio interface

#

from what I gathered reading a ton of reviews/posts on reddit/whatever, all of those interfaces are going to all sound pretty much the same

outer sand
#

I see, I got this for my first gear

outer sand
#

basically either solo or 2i2 is more than enough, that's the benefit of buying an interface

#

the pics I posted above only cost $300 AUD lol

sly elk
#

yea I was just looking at stuff like a ua volt and the 276 looks neat XD

#

but at that price

#

just a tad more and I could get a low end modelling pedal board thingy

outer sand
#

you can get a studio monitor or a pair of studio standard headphone like sony mdr7560 and start into music production straight away

sly elk
outer sand
#

there are plenty of free DAW and amp sim

sly elk
#

and these also can be used as an input device

outer sand
#

oh yeah, that's what I meant by amp modeler, if you could afford those, then ok

sly elk
#

hehe icehunter has an ibanez too right @tame fulcrum ? ๐Ÿ™‚

#

i'm all over the place on that thought lol. Usually play coins are bigger

#

I was going to say the plastic ones are probably less likely to be kept by the kids, but for pennies who cares?

outer sand
#

solo will get everything you need, if you somehow decided to move to acoustic, there's an XLR input for your SM57 ๐Ÿ‘€

#

also this revolutionary device just arrived yesterday https://youtu.be/BPdF7oKg86Q?feature=shared

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sly elk
#

hehe

#

I have a mustang micro

outer sand
#

built in tuner, can connect through bluetooth, 30 preset that can be set from your phone studio

sly elk
#

i did see that video and like it

#

and it works with bluetooth pedals xD

#

or wireless pedals anyway*

outer sand
#

but it doesn't have an XLR, but defo good for guitar

sly elk
#

yea technically I can plug my mustang micro into my computer and use it as an interface as well

#

I just kinda hate using it that way

#

technically it works though

outer sand
#

true, especially when interface price is really cheap ๐Ÿ‘

sly elk
#

not sure how the sound quality compares to a solo lol ๐Ÿ˜„

sly elk
#

I ended up ordering that 3rd Gen solo since Amazon had it for 89 lol

outer sand
#

yeah, mine also 3rd gen

#

grats, enjoy

solid panther
#

finally decided to buy an entry level amp for my headset

#

FiiO E10K specifically

outer sand
#

entry level headset amp? what does it do?

#

I never heard such a thing ๐Ÿค”

solid panther
#

An amp essentially amplifies the source signal

#

aka it makes things louder

#

so if you have a headset you like but it cant reach the volume you need, an amp can help

#

thats the basic idea

outer sand
#

how is that possible

solid panther
#

There's basically a limit to what my hardware and my headset can output. An amp is a dedicated device that can improve that. There are other things to consider with an amp as well, but again this is just the basic idea.

#

But an amp is typically not super cheap

#

Even entry level is like 150AUD ish, or cheaper if you can find a used one

outer sand
#

that's for monitoring and play silently

#

cause tbh in guitar world, there's also a term 'headphone amp', not sure if it's the same

lost python
#

cheap hardware will also usually introduce noise and distortion and higher volumes. a proper amp prevents that.
the fiio is a dac/amp combo though. it works pretty well, used to have it before i upgraded

lost python
lost python
# outer sand how is that possible

and about that: there are high-ohm headphones that need a lot more power to be used. so like a 300ohm pair of headphones need a lot more power to reach a certain volume than headphones with 10ohm for example

outer sand
#

good to know

potent arrow
modest moss
#

I have a little FiiO A3, it's great

#

apparently they call it E11K now

#

cheap and been super reliable and bloody hell I've had it since 2015

sly elk
#

I mean the idea is similar but different lol

#

guitar headphone amps == amplifier modeler (sim) that has a headphone jack

#

some have bluetooth so you can stream music/youtube videos/whatever from your computer and play music alongside it

#

some also can be plugged into a computer so you can use it as an audio interface for ableton/garageband/whatever

dire viper
#

Iโ€™ve been running one for years now as well

#

Me and likeโ€ฆ 10 of my friends

deep sapphire
dire viper
#

awesome

potent arrow
# sly elk I mean the idea is similar but different lol

further more, the idea is actually the exact same.
Amplifiers in the technological term is taking the small signal from a device and applying gain to it so that devices can use it. Computers do output enough pnes r usually for 3.5mm headphones.
Some headphones just require more power/gain the more impedance they have.
Guitars have pickups or transducers that output small signals (like < 1v in the mv range).

the guitar stuff just has other components that work with the amplified signals

sly elk
#

and tbh they really are haha

#

as mentioned before, I have a mustang micro... you can pair it to your computer via bluetooth and any headphones you plug into it are now bluetooth headphones! ... and you can plug a guitar into it and make cool sounds

inland mauve
#

I have an Audient iD4 to drive both my headphones and my microphone

sly elk
#

I spent forever trying to figure out what to get x_X

inland mauve
#

I'm kind of amazed it can drive the microphone

sly elk
#

then the scarlet solo 3 went to $89 last night so I got that and... it's sitting right here on my table yay

#

sm7b?

inland mauve
#

ye

#

I have to knock the dB up a bit in OBS but it's fine in Discord

sly elk
#

isn't that the id4's whole shtick

#

it can drive the sm7b and high resistance headphones

inland mauve
#

yeah

#

it's lovely

#

the sound quality is amazing

sly elk
#

do you ever have issues with random static noise?

#

that was what scared me off from it

inland mauve
#

oh god yeah but only while capturing the audio of individual applications while streaming

sly elk
#

also I'm not 100% sure that I'd use the same interface for the guitar and the mic

inland mauve
#

for some reason it builds up static over time

sly elk
#

oh that makes sense

inland mauve
#

and I can't hear it because it's only on the stream

#

but it's fine if I capture desktop audio directly

sly elk
#

like some kinda rogue capacitance

inland mauve
#

yeah

#

Sarah says it's the build-up of CPU spikes over time and there's nothing you can really do about it except do it all over hardware instead

sly elk
#

i kinda want to use my mac pro for guitar stuff but if i bought a mic it'd get hooked up to my pc/work mac setup instead

sly elk
#

it wouldn't surprise me if that were the case though

#

i saw very similar complaints in reviews about the UA volt

#

where you'd get clicks/static noises related to how big the buffer was

inland mauve
#

wait do you think the Audient iD4 is causing it?

#

or what are you talking about?

sly elk
inland mauve
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yes but this isn't happening to me

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this only happens to the audio that OBS captures, and only if I use application audio capture

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and therefor it's only audible on stream

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it happened both with the third party plugin and with the official OBS version of application audio capture

torpid kayak
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PC: "Press F12 or Del to enter BIOS setting*
Me: Press a random button
PC: BIOS setting, we go!

sly elk
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ok, playing guitar through the interface into garageband is fun xD

sly elk
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yeaaaa i think i'm satisfied with the scarlett solo xD

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i'm not trying to drive a sm7b mic right now, and if I ever do, that's a future kya problem

mortal condor
wraith agate
wise jay
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emachine my beloved

modern iris
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Wasnโ€™t the command and control for the USโ€™s nuclear arsenal on floppies until recently..?

paper tusk
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yes

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also the nuclear codes were 0000000

wise jay
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ya they were worried that minutemen missiles wouldnt live up to their name if they had to wait for codes so just using the key would allow them to be fired

modern iris
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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That is terrifying.

wise jay
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they also loaded up missiles with a fuck ton of nukes. Everything still has the capability of MIRV loads but they stopped filling them to the brim decades ago

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ya once everyone started making nukes they were really ready to use em

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does a single missile need 3-12 nukes inside of it? No but they were made capable of it and usually had a few in the missile

modern iris
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Jesus christ. namazuconcern

modern iris
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anyone here crazy enough to have tried playing ffxiv in VR?

wraith agate
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I mean that's probably nothing compared to playing games with anything but conventional controllers

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Someone used a Nintendo zap to play MCH, a yugioh deck to play AST

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And pretty sure I saw someone use one of those dance pad things to play DNC

lost python
sly elk
modern iris
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with machinist

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You never realise how exhausting it is to hold a pistol upright until you do it yourself playdead

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dizziness is due to the frame rate issue

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But it was nice to walk in Eorzea first person

outer sand
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got my quest 2, tbh I have to say, amazing experience

modern iris
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tried ffxiv on it?

outer sand
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ah no, can you play ff14 with it?

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I just play assetto corsa and truck simulator mainly

outer sand
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modern iris
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lol

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Thatโ€™s err a weird way to play the game yeah

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I usually have minimum number of players around me

modern iris
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Iโ€™d imagine people running away from a job like truck driving into vr not to it

outer sand
modern iris
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I play mostly combat games on vr

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makes me sweat like crazy but fun

outer sand
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ah yeah, I haven't tried those, but not interested in combat games, probably nice exercise

modern iris
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there is something special

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about fighting an giant club weilding orc

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with a sword that is hard to describe

outer sand
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haha

modern iris
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what other stuff you like to play

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hopefully not lawn mower simulator haha

outer sand
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mainly assetto and truck

zinc sluice
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Does xbox own like a good chunk of market in eu?

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I thought xbox only really owned marketshares in na

lost python
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microsoft claims it has a 20% marketshare vs sonys 80%
iirc nintendo completely overshadows both of them though

dire viper
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I like how Nintendo is pretty high up in the Japanese economy lol

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Theyโ€™re only behind the car companies

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So, if you get rid of Toyota/Honda theyโ€™re the top

cold yacht
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Itโ€™s probably assumed that the consumer is gonna have a Nintendo product

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So Sony and Microsoft are fighting for being the second console

dire viper
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I feel like everybody had a Wii

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Except the weird families that were the kind of โ€œAmerican or dieโ€ and would only buy an XBOX

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Iโ€™ve only ever owned Nintendo and Sony consoles

cold yacht
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I just get Xbox cause cheaper

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Or my brother got one for free from work

inland mauve
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the part that builds and sells cars is only a part of the full conglomerate

dire viper
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Yuh they own about half of Japans heavy industry

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Which is why they own Subaru

inland mauve
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they have factories and own companies all over the world in all sorts of industries

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it's the kind of organization where you wonder how it can even exist

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it's just so incredibly massive

dire viper
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270 billion USD in physical assets

inland mauve
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they're so big that if you look up a chart of the structure of the company you get a dozen different ones that all map different parts of the company

outer sand
outer sand
dire viper
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Toyota's sold in the US are made in the US, Canada and Mexico for tax reasons

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Ford is the same

outer sand
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I bet it flip those America or die people haha

dire viper
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Toyota makes all over the world as well

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BMW even has a US factory

outer sand
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Oh really? Ic ic

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I always thought Ford are not made in US

dire viper
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everybody makes cars everywhere

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BMW built their first factory in the US when they introduced the X5 back in the early 2000's

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cause large vehicles were becoming a big deal in the US market

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its also why BMW calls them SAV's and not SUV's

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there is virtually 0 utility in a BMW SUV, so its a sport activity vehicle

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which is why they sell so well

outer sand
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Us is doing much better, none of the car in Aus is made in Aus anymore ๐Ÿ˜ฑ

cold yacht
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I think about how I can find parts easily for my Corolla but finding parts for the ranger my grandpa has is a pain in the butt

sly elk
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something like that is my purchasing priority lol

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"is the product crap" also plays into it, to some degree

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-points at his jeep- it's been fine but I've seen people say utterly awful things about jeeps (and jeep owners) and I can't really say those things aren't justified lol

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looks like an LED died in my 24 pin strimer cable >>

outer sand
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I like to make everything buyer market, makes companies competitive to benefit the buyer

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like Guitar and Motorcycle need to be durable, a work horse tool that need to be use every single day, not something that you keep in your attic

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Gibson made everything is about gear, pure elitism for boomer who hate technology and staying in their circle jerk discussing the toan difference between les paul 56 vs 58, people who knows it's all about the pick-up not the guitar

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it's no longer about music

deep sapphire
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its just they source parts globally sometimes

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which is a huge sour point because there is a serious lack of accountability with quality control when you do that

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if you say source parts from a local second source or make them in house its much easier to maintain quality

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thats why Toyota in general has pretty high quality control because they have a great relationship with their part sources and have a tight leash on them

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why they saying "US auto industry" when GM is on par with Toyota and the rest of the pack" lol

sly elk
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ofc gibson makes both the old fashioned kind and the newer kind

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i think to some degree they have harley davidson-ish issues

sly elk
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they seemed to get hit the hardest with the pandemic supply chain issues

deep sapphire
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I think Ford also evolved its lineup too aggressively

sly elk
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ah well, I suppose the general rule of thumb for used carss is do NOT buy a 2021 model year

deep sapphire
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they came out with a lot of new models at the same time

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yeah, all those trucks that sat outside in the weather waiting for parts

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๐Ÿ’€

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fuck that

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im not buying that

sly elk
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i have another thought

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the companies pivoting hard to EVs but not supporting their dealerships or especially the techs in the process

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they... really fucked that up hard

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IMHO they fucked it up so hard I wonder what the future for gm, vw, ford, chrysler is

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i'm pretty sure, at least in the US, they'll just lobby the gov to back down on the ev targets

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can you imagine any other industry pulling that stunt

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like "hey employees, everything about your job is going to change drastically in the next 5 years. glhf lol"

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they could have spent some time/money training techs and dealers on EV tech and maybe even made their systems more serviceable in the process

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instead of being like "oh this contractor is awesome! Let's fire all our R&D people since we don't need em anymore!"

dire viper
sly elk
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heehee

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that explains a lot about fords lol

dire viper
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cause it was super cheap to make high quality mechanical bits cause of all the tank and weapon factories that were now up for grabs

dire viper
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iirc there are two tank plants that now make ford parts

deep sapphire
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GM makes most of its major casted parts in the US but smaller sensors and plastic shit im sure that all comes from china

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back in the day GM owned its own casting plants that made accessories such as radiators, A/C compressors, power steering pumps etc.

sly elk
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man it's amazing how a shitty sensor design can ruin a car's reputation

deep sapphire
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transmissions

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they also made their own axles and differentials

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now that shit is all made by like DANA and what not

sly elk
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interestingly, in the jeep world

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people... don't really like dana...

deep sapphire
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this is a very desirable differential

sly elk
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mm

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GM refrigerators

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and chrysler air conditioners

deep sapphire
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yeah dana axle shafts are kinda weak

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the 10.5 GM ones are extremely robust

sly elk
deep sapphire
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much better than the 10 bolt

deep sapphire
sly elk
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those things are badass

deep sapphire
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GM basically invented the HDD

modern iris
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So.. what the fuck? Dial up still exists apparently.

deep sapphire
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yes

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some people live in extremely rural areas where DSL/dial up are really the only options

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its rare though

sly elk
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adn then

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all the local tv stations are owned by sinclair

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and the cheapest dish network service includes fox news but not the other news stations

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xD

modern iris
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I haven't used dial up since I was a kid.

sly elk
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and we wonder why

dire viper
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yea whats funny is that sensor designs are bad and designed by americans and europeans

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its not the place making them Kek

deep sapphire
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I really dont get it either because most sensors really arent that complicated like a wheel speed sensor or knock sensor etc

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I think its an ECU issue as well like there are so many variables of things now

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all these safety systems like lane keep assist and stuff

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who knows im not an engineer im just arm chairing it

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at the end of the day though quality is subjective and any radical change in a design of a product will drastically change the overly reliability of it

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that was a key point of how toyota was so reliable, they barely updated its models and worked out the bugs

sly elk
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no

deep sapphire
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nope

sly elk
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then you can get 75% by doing fuel injection and lots of little tweaks, but still generally it's a simple engine

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then you get 90% by putting sensors everywhere, DI, vvt, etc

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at some point you hit the efficiency vs complexity tradeoff

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(just like with HVAC and... clothes washing machines)

deep sapphire
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I think high efficiency has played a huge role in long term reliability

sly elk
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but electronics in cars are compromised by default (just like washing machines) because their exposure to harsh conditions

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you mount sensors on a motor that regularly see 200 degrees F

deep sapphire
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high compression, turbos, ligher metals like cast aluminum blocks, open deck piston cooling yadda yadda

sly elk
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and also see sub freezing conditions in some places

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and then on top of that they use cheap flimsy connectors and wire harnesses made out of pipe dreams and electrical tape

outer sand
deep sapphire
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you are right though most connectors have special connectors called weather pack (there is one that european automakers use I cant remember the name)

outer sand
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and here I was happy we can get something barebones