technology-discussion

[sly elk]

i was just remarking how absurd their name is

[golden stream]

Dunno, maybe they found out that T-money is used and it's a big thingy in other country so T-mobilemoney

[deep sapphire]

interesting

[sly elk]

there are way better ways to save money

well maybe not waaay better, but it's easy enough to get 4% pretty mcuh anywhere else without having to worry about making 10 debit card transactions every month (and having an active t-mobile account I think)

[odd sand]

Uhh I was gonna say since when, but I haven't seen savings rates since the fedrate spiked

The savings rates for my credit union are still shit at 0.1%, but they are offering 5% APY for a 9 month CD

[real edge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WRF2bDl-u8

[neon shell]

[real edge]

[neon shell]

Weirdly enough I prefer intel, but like the design of AMD cpus more

[sharp star]

I just prefer whatever suits my needs at the time

[neon shell]

Did you play starfeild? Is that why your name is Bethesda playtester

[sharp star]

we are all Bethesda playtesters

[neon shell]

I only ever played Skyrim heh

[sharp star]

eternally testing Skyrim for bugs

[dire viper]

Damn. It really do be what independent reviewers and benchmarks have said.

Me when I trip my breaker playing cyberpunk on ultra 4k with a 14900K and a 4090

[bitter girder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/988862412260274176/1084940257092440125/1CFC6F34-BB31-40F6-AA72-DE250F097A90.gif

[deep sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/193278651020738561/1100535159691952159/attachment.gif

[deep sapphire]

how to search on google

[bitter girder]

🔥🔥

[deep sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/penguins-of-madagascar-rico-dancing-dance-dance-moves-gif-22963077

I use intel because it damages the earth more

[deep sapphire]

USA USA USA

https://tenor.com/view/monster-truck-how-close-are-we-to-flying-cars-national-geographic-demolition-crunch-gif-19133739

[bitter girder]

I forgot I had my microphone record everything

[deep sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSuwGczYjfA

[bitter girder]

Hamburger

[wise jay]

dammit. I cant hear any idolmaster song without smiling

[deep sapphire]

LMAO!

[deep sapphire]

USA USA USA

[sharp star]

https://fxtwitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1737706736365011007

[bitter girder]

whats microsofts body count now then

164

[odd sand]

Isn't the girl on the left their manager?

[golden stream]

scream

Wtf is this mobile discord UI??????

[odd sand]

[lost python]

catching up to google, slowly but surely

[bitter girder]

dark times

[umbral moss]

I mean, msr wastes more money on moonshots that go nowhere than most startups raise in series a fundraising

Thry definitely have the highest kill count for projects that get smothered in the cradle but they usually don't kill them as aggressively once they ship as Google

[sharp star]

https://videocardz.com/newz/lg-reveals-4k-32-inch-oled-monitor-with-dual-hz-feature-1080p-480hz-and-4k-240hz-modes

[umbral moss]

2160/240 seems about good for oled

Since oled persistence is lower so you don't need aggressive strobing to hide the frames

[deep sapphire]

Holy shit

[odd sand]

discussion on leddit about they went with AMD bc they have longer socket support
person bought AM4 with 3000 series and only upgraded to 5000, one gen...
could have done the same thing on Intel

[rain sand]

so they downgraded?

im confused im dumb

[inland mauve]

nah

the CPU socket on your motherboard determines which CPUs you can put into it

so at some point you can't just put a better CPU into your computer, you have to upgrade the entire motherboard to get a better socket

[rain sand]

ah

[inland mauve]

and apparently this user went with AMD CPUs because it will take more time before they have to perform such a big upgrade

only to then perform an upgrade that they would've also been able to do with Intel

[odd sand]

They called it a "huge upgrade" as well and I'm like

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-gif-5023039

[rain sand]

im getting a new pc for chrstmas or around that idk

[odd sand]

I had my 3770K from 2012-2019. The 9900K was a huge upgrade heh...

[rain sand]

i dont want this alienware pc anymore

[odd sand]

Then again one of the reasons I held off was bc it was like dinky 10-15% IPC upgrades each gen, so I waited until it would be at least a 75% boost

Well if you want tips on parts, we can help with a list, unless you are going premade again

[rain sand]

im lazy im sorry

i will build a pc

in like when i get money

[sly elk]

you have one already?

[rain sand]

yeah for like 3 years almost

[sly elk]

what's inside it?

[rain sand]

dust and bugs

[sly elk]

lol

same with most computers

chances are your computer is fine though

alienware computers are fine. If you have the ability to build your own, and a good enough budget, you can get fancier stuff, or optimize more efficiently

(like those meme builds with a 4080 and an i3 13100)

[rain sand]

the fans are loud, sometimes xiv (a 10 year old game) starts lagging and the whole pc starts lagging

unless i turn the fans all the way up

[sly elk]

maybe clean your fans?

a 3 year old alienware almost definitely uses a 120mm aio radiator

those clog up with dust real easy

[rain sand]

i already did clean it like a few months ago and it just clogs up with dust again

[sly elk]

gg lol

maybe use some air filters

[rain sand]

ill probably get a radiator though

because ill probably have this pc when i go to the cabin with my dad

[sly elk]

i mean the case probably only fits a 120mm

you can look to see what other people have done

the hard part with alienware machines is when you wanna change things they... are just built to be used the way they were, and that's it

like yea 3-5 year lifetime is probably what it was designed for

[rain sand]

even people with alienwares say the fans are shit

[sly elk]

it's the whole package

it's very compromised

there are a handful of reasons. One is they share the same internal case structure with optiflexes and cheap precision towers

and they're designed to click together on an assembly line, and not fall apart in shipping

[sly elk]

when I built my 9700k machine, I could've gone with an x470 motherboard and iirc they can run a 5800x3d with a firmware update

[rain sand]

what are your current specs though

[sly elk]

the am4 platforms were fantastic for longevity

[sly elk]

I still have that 9700k in a box with a 6650xt, 32gb ram, and a couple of 1tb ssds

i updated my main box to a 7800x3d (x670e carbon board), 3080ti, 64gb ram, and a couple 2tb ssds

and that cpu/mobo/ram upgrade was not necessary 😄

I mean, there are use cases where I really enjoy that performance increase

[odd sand]

Sure, but you benefited from having gotten into AM4 when it was new, what about the ppl buying into AM5 when its already been around for 3 years?

[sly elk]

I didn't buy am4, lol I bought z390 which was outdated right away

[odd sand]

Also what features were on that board? And the ram is probably holding you back then as well

[sly elk]

this time around I bought am5 😄

and it's difficult to predict how long a platform will last

unless the cpu manufacturer explicitly says they're going to make new cpus for that platform for x years, which they never do

[odd sand]

I suppose with AMD they have to upsell on longevity when they're charging $500 for a $250 board and like $300 for a $125 board

[sly elk]

z690 is doing well atm? They support 12th, 13th, and 14th gen intel

[sly elk]

idk which boards you're referring to, but the x670e carbon I bought, was about the same price as a z790 carbon i think

[odd sand]

14th gen is only bc its a dead CPU design, so they phoned in the gen

[sly elk]

449 vs 399

and both have cheap boards in the 200 or less range

I do remember there was a point where the amd boards were more expensive though

i think they're both on par atm. But generally, boards got way more expensive

like a z790 asus maximus costs $548. 5 years ago those cost around $350

[odd sand]

The Z490 carbon was $225 the Z790 2.5 years later is $400

[sly elk]

yep

the price increases suck because I don't think they really gave you that much more for the money (if anything)

i will say, asus uses some nice boxes for the maximus boards

the box my x670e carbon came in was still pretty nice, but not as fancy lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzB7XuMw0Ng

hehe nice

i didn't go asus both because of their AMD firmware fiasco and because I was bored/fed up of seeing the ROG eye when I turned my computer on

[dire viper]

which 5000 did they get

if its a 5800X3D I mean

that CPU is kind of nuts

thats what my next CPU will probably be, seeing as I could just run a 4080 with it and run 2k Ultra @ 144FPS no problems

that shit even runs Cyberpunk 2077 at ultra perfectly fine

[dire viper]

https://youtu.be/5Fz3P41emo8?si=vdnLbH3K2dYS8Qcp

[odd sand]

lol someone replied to me in that thread about the sockets upgrade and said boards die more often than you think... and proceeded to say how he had 3 boards fry and after that he couldnt get more and had to throw the system out

I told him he needs to buy an UPS bc that's not normal

Got some bad power or poorly grounded service lines or something

[deep sapphire]

this is amazing

[sly elk]

it is. I wonder if it's a board you can still buy

looks like the answer is a solid NO.

it was another bullshit asus special edition

you can buy the shitty mouse for $119 on amazon though

man this is why I hate asus 😄

i bet the gpu was impossible to buy, too

on the plus side, if you do manage to get some of it at retail, it'll hold its resale for years

[deep sapphire]

oh yeah that stupid expensive 4090 lmao

[sly elk]

that's an old one lol

[neon shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959195215464382566/1187652417177788416/image0.jpg?ex=6597aa81&is=65853581&hm=d13925f8184dcd3da645783921bb546b3d24adad429bcc263e98bca77fdd6103&

[void dove]

just get an IR blaster, and put it on the front of your car, and program it to fire off the TV on-off signal for every brand of TV every second

chaos ensues

[sly elk]

i always wanted to do that with car remote panic buttons

you could easily wreak havoc with old garage door openers lmao

grr I hate how amazon keeps advertising g pro wireless mice as "31% off".... at $109

and fair nuff, if you walk into best buy the price is 159 and there's no discount lmao

the pendejo price

[bitter girder]

g pro so good

but its so expensive

beause the way i use my g pro superlight the battery fell off its adhesive and sounded like a baby rattle

[sly elk]

Lol

Wow

[umbral moss]

Just get a g900

[zealous wolf]

Shopping for a new PC case may be a tiny bit difficult

though a white colored case is looking lit tbh

[sly elk]

i like the gpw shape better than the g900 shape

[bitter girder]

yeah g pros are comfy

comes with nice grip tapes too

[sly elk]

huhh

i didn't know they came with grip tape lol

I have a viper ultimate, a g pro wireless, a g900, and a g502 wireless

the viper and gpw are my favorite

i love the 502 wireless though

i don't love rubber side grips but that mouse has all the features i want n a mouse

but the gpw has a nicer shape

[bitter girder]

yeah i didnt realise how good the grips were till i finalyl put them on

thought they were gimmicks but honestly they were great

untill you pull them off like i did

[wise jay]

I had a G502, upgraded to a G900 and now Im back to my G502. i really like the shape

I kind of want the wireless g502

[mortal condor]

https://vxtwitter.com/Dexerto/status/1737986307111149765?t=_0sV3692Tv-a8YQU5c43Lg&s=19

Late 2024-Early 2025 is a realll possibility

[deep sapphire]

that would be 2 years so its entirely possible

[odd sand]

Nowai, you mean a company that historically releases a new gen of cards every 2-3 years might release 3 years after the last gen?

[deep sapphire]

lmao ikr

[mortal condor]

Just going off what i've heard

[deep sapphire]

4090 came out in late 2022

usually they operate on 2 year cycle

now what im curious about is the supposed super refresh coming out, and the rather slow adoption rate of the 40 series in general if they even bother and just wait until early 2025

[dire viper]

more overpriced low end cards

5060 is gonna blow the 3060 and 4060 out of the water

[kind rune]

imagine the 5090 is 2000 dollars

[odd sand]

5060 for only $999 whatadeal

[deep sapphire]

the super cards are heavily rumored (which being they are coming out next month are probably true) to be much more affordable due to the low adoption rate of some 40 series cards, if that is the case it might stay the same price

who knows though

[dire viper]

wouldnt be hard

they will incorporate cost for inflation, tech companies really like doing that

[kind rune]

google search graphics card inflation

[kind rune]

im not upgrading my pc until the 60 series

[deep sapphire]

yeah if you dont really need to upgrade then dont

I dunno why people upgrade every generation lol

[kind rune]

[deep sapphire]

unless you are an enthusiast I dont see the point

I mean its true, I held onto my 1070 for ages and it still ran most games fine abit obviously at low/medium settings

[sly elk]

it seems shit must've hit the fan at amazon lol, they just pushed some deliveries to late next week and most prime things are saying thursday

[inland mauve]

fuck that I'm not upgrading again

[sly elk]

not that i'm complaining xD

[graceful pine]

It is Christmas time

Very busy for deliveries

[sly elk]

right lol

i just think it's funny when their sophisticated algorithm gets kicked in the knees 😄

[umbral moss]

I mean, when order volume goes up 3000% because of morons waiting until the Friday before Christmas to order gifts, you get what you get

[graceful pine]

The system is just plainly overloaded but it’s not surprising

[umbral moss]

Yeah

It's not like Amazon ate shit after booking thirty orders

Even with their human-crushing pick/ship machine, they just don't have the capacity to magically make every package ship in two days

[inland mauve]

there are so many people who expect that if they make an order on the 23rd it will arrive on the 24th because they are a Prime member

and if it doesn't then it's Amazon's fault for ruining the Christmas of little Rascal

[rain sand]

there isn't tbh you can get the latest 4090 and it will be like the upcoming generations for gpus for the past 4 years

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/karen-ok-smiles-gif-19664690

[mortal condor]

Good thing the stuff I bought shipped this morning

[modern iris]

I know gaming laptops get memed on but contemplating on upgrading at some point for DT

any recommended ones

[sly elk]

yea the delays for me are nbd

puffs tissues and a couple surge protectors

[modest moss]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[deep sapphire]

I do love the dedicated HDCP or whatever option that still exists

[modest moss]

prices change so much there's no real point in planning ahead, just decide a budget and do research when you're ready to pull the trigger

[deep sapphire]

It’s literally just some anti piracy feature for watching HD DVDs and Blu-ray which has existed since like 2005

[modest moss]

people here will help, but it'd be guesswork if it's too far in advance

[modern iris]

that's fair actually, I will budget for it

[sly elk]

nv cotrol panel sucks though

but the reasons I think it sucks, are, admittedly, also kind of a good thing?

I'm not talking about it looking like it belongs in windows 2000

[deep sapphire]

I’m pretty sure the meme is being ironic

[sly elk]

it's just your typic windows-ism 😄

[modest moss]

nvidia control panel is great

[sly elk]

more windows-isms 😄

i love how it shows windows xp

[deep sapphire]

I feel like nvidia is like if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

[graceful pine]

The control panel is fine

It’s just a KISS design

[odd sand]

The 5 different colors of the same iphone is a nice touch

[jaunty nacelle]

why is nivida control panel so old

[deep sapphire]

Because nvidia is weird and made GeForce experience it’s own thing

[jaunty nacelle]

granted

amd's software is very

badge

[deep sapphire]

Not surprised in the least

https://tenor.com/view/antonio-banderas-oh-sweet-impressed-not-bad-gif-9592821

[jaunty nacelle]

can we also talk about how windows update will hijack your driver updates and then make it so the amd software is no longer installed

this has happened to me on at least 3 different circumstances

[astral ridge]

[graceful pine]

A far less useful software at that too

[astral ridge]

Disable driver updates?

[graceful pine]

Shadow play is nice ig

But I uninstalled that shit

[mortal condor]

Because Windows update is terrible

[jaunty nacelle]

well yeah

lol

[dire viper]

tf is this

Windows 11

?

ew

[deep sapphire]

It’s intended for people who don’t know any better but yes it’s annoying

[jaunty nacelle]

ya

[deep sapphire]

The other drivers I’m fine with it makes our lives easier

[jaunty nacelle]

hot take but w11 is p stable

[dire viper]

im so upset I had to upgrade to windows 10 when I had to

[jaunty nacelle]

i havent had any problems

[dire viper]

I was a windows 7 enjoyer

[deep sapphire]

It’s alright I don’t like the settings menu though it’s really clunky

[graceful pine]

I dunno maybe it’s because I’ve had 10 for so long now

I like 10 more

[astral ridge]

Ngl, avoiding 11 until they put the start menu back

[graceful pine]

You can move it back to the left

[deep sapphire]

I find the quality of life features it took away kinda odd like taskbar pinging

[jaunty nacelle]

it has its own set of problems, but so does 10 tbh

[astral ridge]

Via GPO? Or we can just tell people how, no big

[jaunty nacelle]

and i needed to update for wsl support of a couple things

... which were backported to w10

[deep sapphire]

10 was awful for its first year but it’s fine now

[graceful pine]

There’s just some setting you can do to adjust the taskbar location

I dunno the full details

But it can be made left aligned

[astral ridge]

That’s cool, just knowing it’s doable is good

[jaunty nacelle]

i like center align

anyway the new explorer context menu sucks

and i reverted it right away

[astral ridge]

I get that.

But when you’ve got lots of employees that - don’t want things to be different

You know

[jaunty nacelle]

like

who the fuck thought the new explorer ui was a good idea

[astral ridge]

[graceful pine]

That can be reverted as well?

[astral ridge]

Ngl I get Windows ME vibes from 11

[jaunty nacelle]

right clicking brings up a context menu that you cannot add apps to

[jaunty nacelle]

https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

[dire viper]

I miss windows 7

😭

[graceful pine]

Oh third party

[deep sapphire]

Microsoft is such a half assed company when it comes to features lol

They just buy people out

🤣

Can’t wait for when they force people to use an online account

[astral ridge]

They are trying….

[jaunty nacelle]

i also dont even meet the minimum requirements for w11 either lol

[graceful pine]

Seriously

What ancient hardware are you running on

[astral ridge]

I’ve got a solid (imo) Dell laptop that I game on that can’t

[jaunty nacelle]

... a ryzen 5 1600

their cpu lists include 8th gen+ intel and 3rd gen + amd

by no means are any of the cpus below that very ancient

[deep sapphire]

There was some article that said windows 11 was gonna cause a lot of e waste and it’s like dude the shit it can’t support is 8 years old

[astral ridge]

Makes sense

[deep sapphire]

That’s ancient af

[astral ridge]

Computers don’t - just die - like they used to

No reason to replace for most people unless something makes you

[deep sapphire]

I think having support for windows 10 until 2025 is fine

That’s like 9-10 years of hardware support

[jaunty nacelle]

... except it still pushes out much performance?

[deep sapphire]

If you want more than that that’s ultimately your fault

[jaunty nacelle]

it's quite literally not a bad cpu

[astral ridge]

It’ll be 2031 (I have no reason to say that but here I go)

[deep sapphire]

Okay but it’s still legacy shit, I used a 6700K until this year I get it

But eventually you just have to accept that

[astral ridge]

I mean - I do kinda get it.
‘
But PCs are becoming more like, cars.

10 years isn’t that old.

[deep sapphire]

You could argue a core 2 quad is still viable

[jaunty nacelle]

...

[deep sapphire]

Or first gen i7

[jaunty nacelle]

we are talking

literal years of differences

2017 is not that old

[deep sapphire]

Your processor came out 6 almost 7 years ago

[astral ridge]

Oh no definitely not

So?

[jaunty nacelle]

you do realize amd was literally selling these still 2 years ago right

[astral ridge]

Dell gave us 10 year warranties on everything important at work (because of shortages)

[jaunty nacelle]

actually, they were selling 2600's disguised as 1600

[deep sapphire]

Well according to Microsoft it’s legacy hardware and they wanna move forward

Don’t get mad at me

[astral ridge]

[jaunty nacelle]

you don't have to agree with them?

[astral ridge]

No one is mad at you friend

[jaunty nacelle]

im not mad, merely confused why you're agreeing with them

[astral ridge]

It’s just really annoying when you have a thing that works perfectly for - whatever your need is

[jaunty nacelle]

this 1600 literally kills anything that i throw at it

why would i upgrade

[astral ridge]

And then MS or whoever says “you must replace this” because they didn’t build better security in

[deep sapphire]

Because I think people eventually need to move on, again I had a 6700K I built in 2016 until this year and in theory you can still use windows 10 it’s just not going to get any major updates except critical security updates

[jaunty nacelle]

its kind of a weird assumption to make that people can just throw upgrades at their pc like that

i don't have the money to drop on a new processor like that

when my current one works quite perfectly fine

[deep sapphire]

Okay well whatever then lol

[sly elk]

geforce experience is adware disguised as a driver updater tool >>

[jaunty nacelle]

granted i am not on an intel platform which means i can upgrade freely

[deep sapphire]

Remember XP before service pack 2? Those were the good days of horrible security

[jaunty nacelle]

im glad i picked am4

[sly elk]

as for amd

[astral ridge]

Yes, I do lol

[deep sapphire]

I think it has a couple good features but yeah I don’t really pay attention to it

[sly elk]

their tweak tools are interesting anyway

(but I wish it had some kinda "copy settings from bios" or something idk

[jaunty nacelle]

lol ryzen master just doesn't run for me

i genuinely dont know why

[astral ridge]

We had to bring CDs with patches because you couldn’t even hook that crap up to the internet

[deep sapphire]

Didn’t they basically rebuild windows XP from the ground up because it was so bad

LMAO

[astral ridge]

Yup. SP2 changed everything

[sly elk]

the basic mode is cute (and useless)

[jaunty nacelle]

what is this ui

why is there a circle

[astral ridge]

The circle is the one selected

[sly elk]

it's not the worst thing in the world but it does look goofy, I'll give you that

[astral ridge]

I agree that is not the best

[sly elk]

you do want to have more than 1 type of indicator

like, relying on 'green when on' is bad because lots of people have issues seeing green

[astral ridge]

Very true

[deep sapphire]

Why is it green I thought AMD was “team red”

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-dance-dancing-no-idea-sonic-movie-gif-15563744

[deep sapphire]

At least it’s not as bad as ASUS

Here’s 7 different applications of bloatware that do useless things

[astral ridge]

Selling our info isn’t useless

[deep sapphire]

[astral ridge]

It’s quite valuable to asus

[sly elk]

amd adrenalin (the gpu tool) does use red

[deep sapphire]

That looks much cleaner

[sly elk]

and yea, I hate ASUS' software tools

[deep sapphire]

Their website is horrible still too I hate grabbing drivers from them

[astral ridge]

… there are some good things about asus right?

[deep sapphire]

I’ve had good luck with them not crapping out

So I use them still

[astral ridge]

OH I liked the ROG swift

[deep sapphire]

I just ignore the software

ASUS slogan should be “because we aren’t as bad as gigabyte”

[royal forge]

My asus craps regularly

So

[deep sapphire]

Granted I feel like all the companies are just Russian roulette at this point

See

[royal forge]

YMMV

[deep sapphire]

It’s like they all suck

[sly elk]

my z390 maximus had this crap

[deep sapphire]

And you just take a gamble

[sly elk]

like as much as people hate on icue

[deep sapphire]

And hope to god

[royal forge]

They all suck. Its just which sucks harder

[deep sapphire]

I’ve been using AMD since socket 939 and never had a problem

Erm

[sly elk]

icue's dashboard is fucking amazing by comparison

[deep sapphire]

ASUS

[sly elk]

no need to scroll

[deep sapphire]

Setting up iCue requires a PHD

[sly elk]

and all the things that fluctuate have little plots

meanwhile asus

[deep sapphire]

Lmao

[sly elk]

also asus

[deep sapphire]

I’m hate massive UI elements it’s so bad

We have this giant monitor with high resolution we should be fitting more things on it not less

Look at start

What happened to being able to see all your applications at a glance

[sly elk]

HEHE

like inwindows 98

[deep sapphire]

Nah fuck that let’s make them massive and you have to scroll forever

Yeah

Literally perfect

Windows 10 and even worse 11 is so bad I don’t even bother anymore I just use exploder

[sly elk]

sadly i can't find a pic

but in windows 95, if the start menu is too big to fit vertically, it doesn't scroll, it just adds more columns lol

[deep sapphire]

God it’s so good

Oh you deleted it

😭

[sly elk]

it wasn't the example i wanted.

This one is 😄

[astral ridge]

Icue?

[sly elk]

the other was a windows 98 start menu and it had a set of nested folders open

[astral ridge]

I remember Forbes giving those out for free

[sly elk]

you're thinking of cuecat

[astral ridge]

Oh

Thank you!

You are right

[sly elk]

also I miss the old office icons

and even better

[deep sapphire]

What’s cuecat

[sly elk]

when you paid a gazillion bucks for office 95, 97, 2000

[deep sapphire]

Never heard of that

[sly elk]

it included the "office bar" hahaha

[astral ridge]

One moment

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CueCat

[deep sapphire]

Oh god

[sly elk]

this is a jank looking way to setup the office shortcut bar (on the right side of the screen)

[astral ridge]

Think of it as an old QR code that needed hardware

[sly elk]

i remember the 90s version of shazam

[astral ridge]

I don’t

Hmm

[deep sapphire]

What on earth is this device what were they thinking

[sly elk]

you could sign up for it from some radio stations and they'd send you a keyfob with a button on it

and when you heard a song you liked, you hti the button

and it'd log the time or whatever

[astral ridge]

We didn’t have cameras in our phones then

[deep sapphire]

This feels like typical dotcom bubble bloat crap

[sly elk]

then later go plug it into your computer and it'd tell you what song was playing on the radio

[astral ridge]

Yeah tbh they were trash

[deep sapphire]

Like those computers that could only go on the internet haha

[astral ridge]

But Forbes was still a respectable magazine back then

[deep sapphire]

Yeah I suppose

[astral ridge]

So a LOT of people in leadership positions got those things

[sly elk]

hot take, I feel like android tablets are the 2020 version of that lol

especially amazon fire tablets

[astral ridge]

And then they wanted them to work

[astral ridge]

Yeah this was long before they became owned by China and also started selling article space

[deep sapphire]

Makes sense

[astral ridge]

They even had good car reviews

[astral ridge]

I actually still have the issue where they talked about the Dodge Viper

[deep sapphire]

Every kid in the 90s had a viper poster I swear

You can’t convince me otherwise

😂

[astral ridge]

I sure as hell did

It was my dream car

[deep sapphire]

Poor corvette was relegated to boomers all the kids wanted a viper

[sly elk]

truth

I almost think the viper was more of a gen x dream car though

[astral ridge]

Viper was top tier.
Mortal tier had um, the trans-am

And there was a Pontiac

[sly elk]

most people my age wanted a wrx sti or a lancer evo or a supra or something like that

[astral ridge]

Yeah that’s me (or millennial, depends on who says what)

[deep sapphire]

Pontiac was sorta cool still but by 2001 they were basically done

[sly elk]

wasn't the grand prix the official car of ohio

[deep sapphire]

I knew plenty of people that drove Grand Prix’s

[astral ridge]

Yeah you could make those into DB drag racers

[sly elk]

and even now i'm kinda sad they killed pontiac

[deep sapphire]

They were decent cars

[sly elk]

the design language was nice

[deep sapphire]

Specially the ones with the 3800 engine

RAM AIR

FUCK YEAH

[sly elk]

like it was a soap bar but somehow they made the soapbar look good

[deep sapphire]

Hahahaha

[astral ridge]

Ngl I really liked Pontiac once upon a time

They had some nice shit

[sly elk]

i think they lost it with the g6 lol

[astral ridge]

Yeah…

[deep sapphire]

Yeah that brand was just weird in the 2000s

[sly elk]

but it's funny because those started off with a great reputation

and to be fair, car designs in the mid 2000s were very simple

[deep sapphire]

They didn’t have anything worth buying aside from the GTO but those had very underrated transmissions that were almost guaranteed to grenade

[astral ridge]

Definitely a boring time

[sly elk]

so idk, it looks fine to me i guess

idk

I really didn't like it in the late 00s/early 10s when they started going nuts adding body lines

[astral ridge]

I kinda got - out of cars - from like 2000-2008ish

[sly elk]

it looked really tacky

[astral ridge]

So idk

[deep sapphire]

GM be like hey let’s make a front wheel drive LS engine and hook it up to a terrible transverse transmission

[astral ridge]

Well there was a time where shitty transmissions was the sign of an American car

[sly elk]

yep

[deep sapphire]

They made some okay RWD ones but yeah FWD no thanks

[sly elk]

that was my rule book for a long time

don't buy an american car that the company has no passion for

and american car companies rarely cared about making fwd commuter cars

[deep sapphire]

They were very late to the game

[sly elk]

ford only did because their small cars were often reskinned euro fords

and those still had all the usual ford problems

but they were fun to drive

[astral ridge]

Ohh I remember when my fam got an escort

[sly elk]

until the wire harness fell apart, the cooling system failed, and the transmission fell apart

[astral ridge]

It was actually good for the time

[deep sapphire]

The Taurus was a big deal but then they came out with that shitty 4 speed auto

[astral ridge]

Lame, but good

[sly elk]

which was basically every contour, escort, fusion, and fiesta after it hit 60k miles

[deep sapphire]

My parents owned a Mercury sable and it went through 2 transmissions

😂

[astral ridge]

I feel like they always found a way to fail

[sly elk]

and i love how ford never got the transverse fwd transaxles down

[deep sapphire]

They were terrible yeah

[sly elk]

even the last fiesta was a disaster lmao

[astral ridge]

Once, I had a 1985 Mustang convertible.

The next time I got a ford was 2018 Lincoln Navigator

I don’t think I missed all that much

[deep sapphire]

GM was slightly better only because the Cadillacs were all FWD so they sorta had to care

[sly elk]

i wanted to like the continental

I really did

[deep sapphire]

Ford is so bad they literally have the same 10 speed as GM yet somehow made it horrible in their vehicles and it has a class action lawsuit

[astral ridge]

I mean, I give them points for not taking a government bailout in 2008

And the newest Lincoln suvs are fantastic

But other than that…..

[sly elk]

man the interior in these still looks cool af

[deep sapphire]

Ford I think got lucky about that because at the time they made some really dumb business decisions

Remember they bought abunch of European automakers

[sly elk]

the only thing that made me laugh about the continental was the transmission button location

[astral ridge]

.. I actually don’t remember tbh

[astral ridge]

[sly elk]

i wonder how many people driving rental continentals accidentally changed gears when they wanted a radio preset

[deep sapphire]

Hey they bought Jaguar and then copied their vehicle design when they made the ford fusion

[astral ridge]

OH RIGHT

[sly elk]

probably about as many people as accidentally put their ram/pacifica into park when they went to change the radio volume

[astral ridge]

I’ve actually owned 2 jaguars and still forgot

I blame jaguar for brainwashing me into forgetting they were ever Ford

[sly elk]

i think you're getting mixed up a bit

[deep sapphire]

That’s okay that’s not new to dodge they had a huge scandal in the 90s over not having brake shift interlock

[sly elk]

it was the other way around

[deep sapphire]

[sly elk]

kinda

[astral ridge]

Wait

[sly elk]

so ford bought jaguar, and the euro ford team made the mondeo

[astral ridge]

Jaguar didn’t buy ford

Ok

[sly elk]

the mondeo kinda sorta copied jaguar styling cues

so at some point they decided to make a low end jaguar called the x-type

[deep sapphire]

Ah alright

[sly elk]

and it's based on the mondeo

[deep sapphire]

Who else did they own, I know they owned half of Mazda for awhile

[astral ridge]

We actually managed to get one of the first one of these in the U.S. -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XJ_(X351)

It was fucking sweet

[deep sapphire]

There were a lot of terrible mazda cars in the 90s that were just rebadged fords

[astral ridge]

Except when it got in an accident and they were all “no parts - 5 months to fix”

[deep sapphire]

That looks nice

[astral ridge]

[astral ridge]

Yeah it’s honestly one of my favorite cars whole life

[deep sapphire]

Lmao the Mercury

That sable my folks owned was sweet

[sly elk]

yeaaa my dad's last car was one of those

i kinda feel sorry for him

[astral ridge]

Then we got an F-Type

Which also - fucking amazing but

[deep sapphire]

The Mercury mistake!

Hahaha

[sly elk]

but i did drive it a few times after he died, it was kinda fun to drive

but

[astral ridge]

It’s just driving a race car on regular roads so it sucked in some ways

[sly elk]

it had electrical problems and overheating problems and the transmission was falling apart

typical ford

[deep sapphire]

Was the suspension super stiff

https://tenor.com/view/builttough-built-tough-ford-builttolast-gif-15533605

[dire viper]

not the GP

GTO is where its at

LS hooked up to 5MT

[sly elk]

i coan go dig up mystique pics but

i found this on the way ^_^

[dire viper]

cause its a fuckin Holden

[sly elk]

I still miss my 300c >>

but check otu that cute little elise

[dire viper]

AUSTRALIAS FINEST,,,,,,, HOLDEN STRONG

[astral ridge]

No it really wasn’t.

The problem was being just RWD and lacking nearly enough “normie” driving features to keep people driving right.

Despite how much fun it obviously was, few of my friends or fam would drive it.

Even I (I am not a pro lol) lost control a few times in safe areas

[deep sapphire]

Ah gotcha

[astral ridge]

This sounds - wrong - but now we have a Hurican and it’s sooo much easier to drive

[deep sapphire]

I have a 90 Chevy truck that’s only RWD I got pretty good driving that around even in the snow

Letting off the throttle when you feel you breaking the wheels helps a lot

[astral ridge]

Yeah but that’s kind of a skill it seems

I have no problem driving RWD

but a powerful RWD freaks a lot of people out

[deep sapphire]

Yeah specially from a stop

looks at cars and coffee mustangs

[astral ridge]

…

Coffee mustang?

[deep sapphire]

Oh it’s a meme where people in mustangs peel off from an event and go too fast end up losing control and ending up driving into bystanders

https://tenor.com/view/tylormiller-mustang-crowd-crash-crowd-eater-gif-13160580

^

[astral ridge]

That’s not a meme - it’s a fucking crime

[deep sapphire]

🤣

[astral ridge]

Screw those idiots

Here is my current baby

She’s getting old though

But still low miles!

[deep sapphire]

Well you’re doing better than the rest of us

[astral ridge]

Nah

It’s cheaper than 1 child

And I know many people here have 1 or more

[deep sapphire]

Reminds me of that scene in fast and furious

“What’s the retail on one of those?”

[astral ridge]

[sly elk]

it looks pretty

[astral ridge]

I haven’t actually watched those

[modest moss]

you should paint it pink

[astral ridge]

Thank you!

[deep sapphire]

https://youtu.be/IJSjR1Zg0mo?si=gHjFmq9cNcESlJfH

[astral ridge]

Probably not. But I want to weeb it out for the next Supercon down here

[sly elk]

oof that's actually yours?

nice

congrats on living the childhood dream of owning a lambo XD

i promise I don't mean that as an insult

[astral ridge]

My childhood dream was a viper - also I know you don’t

[dire viper]

nice Huracan :D

[deep sapphire]

Vipers are rare I’ve only seen a few in my entire life

[astral ridge]

Sometimes people just get lucky in life is all

[dire viper]

does it have any of the interesting options on it?

[potent arrow]

my dream still is a charger

[sly elk]

how's the upkeep on it?

[potent arrow]

specifically a 1990 Daytona

[deep sapphire]

I’m sure you close your eyes when the invoice comes in

[sly elk]

idk

[deep sapphire]

[astral ridge]

I’m not joking - this is 100% true

Much better than my wife’s S-class convertible

[deep sapphire]

You want that shitty Mitsubishi?

[potent arrow]

don't be concerned it won't move

[sly elk]

I believe it

[astral ridge]

Yeah, you know cars so you understand

[dire viper]

well yeah its an S-Class

[deep sapphire]

Finding a running 80s dodge car is a true unicorn

[dire viper]

random technician bob can work on a Huracan

[sly elk]

I think the lambo is also way simpler in terms of electronics that break from using them more than a few times XD

[deep sapphire]

Just not well made at all regardless of what Iacocca wanted to say

[astral ridge]

You have to lift the car to change the oil!

[dire viper]

ye

[astral ridge]

[dire viper]

it has more than one oil drain too

4 iirc

[sly elk]

but afaik modern lambos are usually something you can drive to 100k without going bankrupt

kinda like porsches

[deep sapphire]

Don’t those things have stupidly large oil pans too

[astral ridge]

Correct

[deep sapphire]

Like 16 quarts of oil

[dire viper]

two on the pan, one on the transmission because oil moves through the transmission, and then one on the engine block?

[astral ridge]

They Hurrican is actually usable as a daily driver

[sly elk]

dry sump?

[dire viper]

yes

[astral ridge]

Like the Ferrari California and such

[dire viper]

all Ferrari's are dry sump

Ferrari's?

fuck you brain

lmao

Lamborghini's

same with Ferrari's

and Porsche's

[dire viper]

i uh

idk about the Ferrari California

[astral ridge]

?

Ok

[dire viper]

maybe the later models

[astral ridge]

Well Ferrari also realized that - people with money don’t actually like dealing with bullshit

[dire viper]

it doesnt help the first gen california was a maserati

[astral ridge]

Oh right

[dire viper]

because Ferrari designed the california with steel body panels in mind

[astral ridge]

Maseratis are shit (no offense to anyone)

[dire viper]

some are

MC20, MC12 and one of there higher end sedans is actually really good

they have the same deal as Alfa rn

they have certain trims and models that just are a cut above the rest of their line up

[sly elk]

mm

[dire viper]

MC20 will kill you

[sly elk]

yea I can confidently say I would not be able to comfortably own a lambo with my finances lmao

[dire viper]

cause its a twin Turbo V6 hyper car

[sly elk]

and I feel I'm doing pretty ok 😄

[dire viper]

with very little driver assist

[astral ridge]

Never, ever feel bad about such a thing

[dire viper]

you could easily own a 964 gen 911

and its cooler

[astral ridge]

911s are boring

[dire viper]

air cooled generally not

964 specifically is pretty good

[astral ridge]

Ok soccer mom

[dire viper]

I've driven a few original 70's RSR's

as well as a 911 Carrera 2.7 RS

[astral ridge]

(do not take this too seriously)

[dire viper]

its crazy to me that the Carrera 2.7 RS' are not more expensive than an F40

F40 has 600 more cars in circulation with almost all of them accounted for

[astral ridge]

[dire viper]

the 2.7 RS is about half of its original numbers because half of them were crashed in races

[astral ridge]

Well Ferrari restricts distribution

[dire viper]

eh

[astral ridge]

And at least where I am Porche does not

[dire viper]

they could not sell F40's when they were new

they mostly sold them under MSRP

[astral ridge]

lol

Nien

[dire viper]

and had like 400 of them sitting in dealers for years after they went out of production

here in Salt Lake the local ferrari dealer had like 2 F40's sitting for 3 years

[astral ridge]

Ok, I withdraw what I just said because do not know about f40s specifically

[dire viper]

yea

the F40 became a poster car so it auctions crazy high

despite it probably only being worth about a million imo

[sly elk]

oh i was looking at cargurus out of curiosity XD

[dire viper]

cause it costs as much as a Porsche 906 Carrera 6 which is a street legal tube frame fiberglass bodied race car

there are only 62 906 Carrera 6's in existence, but ultimately only 40 of them still probably exist

a lot of them were crashed in races

[astral ridge]

If you are getting by, and making a positive difference in the world

That’s way more important

[dire viper]

I would take this over an F40

[astral ridge]

Ok, yeah f40 sucks

wtf

[dire viper]

2.5 million for an F40

[astral ridge]

It’s this yeah?

[dire viper]

2.5 Million for cars that actually raced in races and are in massively lower production numbers

[dire viper]

ye

F40's are still crazy performant cars dont get me wrong

[astral ridge]

Everyone hates that

[dire viper]

like

[astral ridge]

Fair

But that doesn’t mean they are actually popular

[dire viper]

the Dodge Viper is the only thing of the time that can compete with an F40

but the dodge viper doesnt have a functioning ROOF

the first gen at least

[dire viper]

nah F40's are the current clout car believe it or not

[sly elk]

I could comfortably own a cayman, and probably even go all out and get a 911 if I cared that much (I don't lol)

[astral ridge]

The fact that a 60-70k Viper could compete with it says it all

[dire viper]

and also what every Ferrari collector wants

[deep sapphire]

Dodge Viper wasn’t even a good sports car until the 2nd gen and that was mid 90s

[dire viper]

(not around a track)

[deep sapphire]

It was just a basic roadster with a giant engine

[sly elk]

that's "I go to the track every few weeks and love the shit out of driving" caring about cars

[dire viper]

F40 has fuel bladders that are FIA regulated lmao

[astral ridge]

How much time do we spend going around a track>

[deep sapphire]

It was trying to emulate the Shelby roadster

[dire viper]

I hope if you own an F40 you take it to the track

[deep sapphire]

Back when dodge and Shelby worked together

[dire viper]

cause thats what it was designed for

[astral ridge]

It’s like owning a boat without a dock

[dire viper]

and, realistically, if you can own a brand new super car you can probably afford to go to the track if it wasnt like a barely within reach thing

[astral ridge]

“I am TOTALLY taking this out regularly”

Few months later -

“On sale. A boat. Few miles.”

[dire viper]

lmao

we own a boat but we fish

so we use it like

40+ times a year

[astral ridge]

Ahh well if you fish that’s quite different

[sly elk]

you mean like owning a 10 year old bentley? 😄

[dire viper]

more than your dock queen long boats in Florida

[dire viper]

hey, old Bentley's are awesome

cause they use other companies parts

[astral ridge]

And tbh I had neighbors and friends (still do) that are boaters and don’t get our that often at all

[sly elk]

just how old are we talking?

[dire viper]

so you can just match part numbers and maintain them for super cheap

the modern Bentley Continental is mostly made up of parts bin parts

the only issue is how they are constructed

[astral ridge]

Yeah, that’s true

[dire viper]

the engine is inserted from the bottom

so a lot of stuff requires an engine drop

[astral ridge]

Where I live - yeah some buy a new Bentley,

But those that aren’t oil princes or whatever get a 3-4 year old one

And they aren’t really that bad on the repairs and such if you do it right

[dire viper]

eh, even a new one isnt that bad

only when you buy the limited stuff

[astral ridge]

I don’t disagree

It’s just

[dire viper]

I would buy a Continental GT3-R if I had the money

[astral ridge]

Ok well here that says “Hello. I am Russian”

And there is nothing wrong with that

[dire viper]

lmao

[astral ridge]

But - you know. If you aren’t Russian

People are like “wtf?”

[sly elk]

https://finder.porsche.com/us/en-US/details/porsche-911-carrera-preowned-9X58Z7?model=911&model-generation=992

just $1932 a month if you put down $10k 😄

who buys a $106k car and only puts down 10k

[astral ridge]

Ah you are a Cali bro

That’s fine

[dire viper]

idk if id buy a base Carrera for 106

[astral ridge]

7.99% interest?!

[dire viper]

eh

ya know what

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-shrug-maybe-i-dont-know-gif-14913933

[astral ridge]

[dire viper]

it is actually worth that

[sly elk]

idk either

[dire viper]

its got all the creature comforts stuff

[astral ridge]

We actually paid off my lambo this week.

It was 3.9%

Those days were nice

[dire viper]

fair

[sly elk]

i entertained the thought of getting a cayman back in 2018

[dire viper]

wait so is it just a base Huracan?

[sly elk]

went as far as getting in contact with a dealer and stuff xD

[astral ridge]

No

[sly elk]

then changed my mind

[astral ridge]

I got it used

Looked for quite a while

[sly elk]

only would've made sense if i sold my jeep, and the thought of selling my jeep made me sad

[astral ridge]

Even in Miami it was hard to find a 2-3 year old lambo that wasn’t white or black

[sly elk]

hahaha

[dire viper]

keep checking prices, the 981 Caymans should be starting to trickle down

[sly elk]

actually that surprises me

[astral ridge]

Ohh a wrangler?

[dire viper]

its cause they get all bought up by people in the UK

[sly elk]

yeaa at the time I had a jk, ended up selling it and buying a jl a year later 😄

[dire viper]

in the UK you can import a brand new car as long as its not modified

[astral ridge]

Nice!

Well, wranglers don’t normally depreciate as you know…

[dire viper]

so a lot of people buy Lamborghinis and stuff from the US, even if they are left hand drive

[astral ridge]

I never knew that

[dire viper]

cause of the buying power of the pound it makes more sense, seeing as Huracan's and Aventadors are DIRT CHEAP in the UK

like

average Huracn and Aventador is like 15-60k less than in the US depending on specs

in the UK

[astral ridge]

Understandable

[dire viper]

but, if you drive a lot in Europe

you buy a US Lamborghini

[astral ridge]

Yall have taxes if I understand it correctly

[dire viper]

because you can drive your left hand drive car in europe perfectly fine

nah im not in the UK

[astral ridge]

Mmk

[dire viper]

im not sure on the taxes but its not crazy

[astral ridge]

Nice!

Taxes bad

[dire viper]

cause they wouldnt be importing these cars if they were high

[astral ridge]

Horsepower good

[astral ridge]

Definitely

[dire viper]

the only nice thing rn is that the Porsche price bubble popped

because Porsche doubled their production numbers this year

so a lot of cars no longer hold value

[astral ridge]

Well, once Lamborghini makes a replacement for the hurrican - which is going to be a hybrid

I’m getting it

[dire viper]

fair

simply buy a Revuelto :)

[astral ridge]

….

[dire viper]

V12 N/A with a hybrid system

[astral ridge]

A what?

[dire viper]

its the new top end Lamborghini

[astral ridge]

Ah - shows what I know

[astral ridge]

Ohh

How long has that been around?

[dire viper]

It has a 6.5 liter naturally aspirated V12 mated too a hybrid system

[dire viper]

just barely went into production

[astral ridge]

Okl o don’t feel bad then

[dire viper]

like as of a month ago iirc?

[astral ridge]

We go once a year (min) and chat with them

[dire viper]

the uh

Revuelto

[astral ridge]

[dire viper]

starts at 608k

[astral ridge]

Oh

[dire viper]

yea

its the halo car for the lamborghini hybrids

[astral ridge]

No, that sounds like an Aventator replacement

[dire viper]

its a limited production

[astral ridge]

Well

I’m fine with waiting for used or new shit

[dire viper]

the Revuelto is sold out until 2026 but they probably wont make anymore

[astral ridge]

But I’m not paying 600 - I’m not a sheik

[dire viper]

also the Aventador only was that high on some of the crazy trims iirc?

they started at 500

[astral ridge]

Oh yeah it was

[dire viper]

but really, a Huracan STO is probably a better car

[astral ridge]

But I don’t own an acendator

[dire viper]

yea fair

[astral ridge]

I have it’s kid brother

[dire viper]

the new Countach is awesome

but was also crazy expensive

[astral ridge]

Wat

[dire viper]

wym wat

new Countach

Countach LPI 800-4

each one started at 2.6 million

only 112 were built

I think they've already all been built, and they went into production last year

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Ok it’s a limited series

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ye

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Yeah

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Ive only seen one locally

but I know a lot of people here ordered Revuelto's

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I’ve seen none

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well

when I was working at my last job I was in all the crazy places

my customers were the people who bought these cars

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I am in Miami region….

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im in Utah lmao

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I had customers from the US to Japan to China

Germany, everywhere

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The state that could totally buy all the Lambos but won’t

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yes

more of a Porsche place

which is understandable

good roads

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Yeah

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when I went to LA for work I saw half the Koenigseggs in the country lmao

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Um, what’s that Mormon rule?

Don’t make others jealous or something

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eh

nobody follows stuff like that

and idk cause im not mormon

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Fair

I thought it was actually a good guideline though

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yea it is

A 918 and a Carrera GT a few blocks from my house

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Anywho - undoubtedly people here that could wreck me in a race with their Miata

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lmao

eh who cares

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Oh nice

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if you bought the car to drive it and enjoy it its whatever

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Agreed

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I just hate people who dont drive their cars

cause they want it to appreciate as much as possible

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Ohhh

Yeah lmfao

Fuck that man

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u better be driving that Huracan

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I do, unless it’s raining. Or might be raining. Or I need comfort.

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lmao

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But that’s no different than any other 2 seater sports car

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the owner of where i used to work has a 914/6GT replica that uses original parts from the GT kits they gave out to Porsche Privateer teams

and he drives it every day of spring, summer and fall

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and its got an actual race engine in it

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Pretty cool

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ye

ear shatteringly loud

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Here, we don’t have 4 seasons. We have 2.

Wet and Dry.

But yeah I do drive it quite a bit during dry season

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good

eventually tho its fine if you stop driving it as much