technology-discussion

[sly elk]

hehe

which one :] that inwin case? sure

[real edge]

the latest pic lol

[sly elk]

ohh

[sly walrus]

my beloved

[sly elk]

I have one laying around in my garage but it's been through a bit lol

the power supply in it died at some point around 2013 I think, as they often do

last time I "used" it was as a weight to hold a cosplay sword I was gluing together xD

i'd guess at least 1/3 of the weight btw is the heatsinks lol. They are massive.

lol this dude

imma take a moment to appreciate that Supreme made a special edition of HK soundsticks. wtf?!

[lost python]

oh wow they look like ass

[sly elk]

heheh

i think they look interesting, but yea I'd never buy anything Supreme

it'd be cool if harman offered other color combos like that

[real edge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnJrb0hxonw

[graceful pine]

Jesus that’s a massive monitor

Why not get two at that point

I’ll admit curved monitors never appealed nor made sense to me

[manic lintel]

curved monitors are nice when dealing with ultrawides
but I can't see bothering with a curved 27in, for example

[hollow hamlet]

getting real tired of this fucking error popping up

I was seconds away from placing first in rocket racing... and then freeze.

Well that was helpful. Thanks microsoft.

[real edge]

I got that once

what was happening was my windows SSD would stop getting recognized

I swapped its port to another sata port and redid the cables

[hollow hamlet]

this started within the last, uhhh, yearish? Off and on

[real edge]

it fixed the problem

[hollow hamlet]

what do you mean "redid the cables"

[real edge]

I just removed the windows ssd sata cable and slotted in again

[hollow hamlet]

Well, I'll go try that

I was robbed of a first palce finish. I should *at least( try to resolve this

wait, what is "swapped port to another port"? Before I shut PC off and go digging lol

wait, I have discord on phone as well, ez

[real edge]

each sata SSD

is routed to your motherboard with a sata cable

sometimes switching the sata port from one to another free one can also fix it

[hollow hamlet]

Ohh

[real edge]

but ye thats how I solved that

but it was strictly because my windows SSD wouldn't get recognized

[hollow hamlet]

I’m not seeing anything swelled up

I use an m2 for boot. Could the one in sata6g_1 possibly conflict with it?

Maybe I’ll move both of those to 3 and 4 and see what happens

Just gotta reach under gpu to grab cords

[real edge]

ohh

m2 for boot

then its not the same issue I had

so nvm

unless

your windows is on a sata ssd

[hollow hamlet]

….could the 20 year old HDD I have as drive d be failing, and could that cause it?

[real edge]

and its just using your m2 drive to boot

where are your windows files located

[hollow hamlet]

Lemme plug everything back in and check that. I saw that as an issue and not entirely sure wtf is going on in that regard.

[deep sapphire]

why we guessing, look at some LOGS

[hollow hamlet]

I do knownothing is on shared bandwidth, and the 5/6 ports are disabled with an m2, so that’s not an issue

wtf is a log

[deep sapphire]

system logs

dumps

heh

log

dump

[hollow hamlet]

[deep sapphire]

doodoo

poopy

https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html#DownloadLinks

install that and then post a screenshot of what the latest BSOD dump/log shows

[hollow hamlet]

This doesn't look like a sketchy website at all

[deep sapphire]

yes because I would totally send you to one

nevermind help yourself

[hollow hamlet]

I d unno it just looks like it's from the past

oh no there's alot of red lines

[void dove]

nirsoft has been making windows tools like that for like, 20 years, nothing sketchy about it just that the website looks old because it doesn't need an update.

old looking website =/= bad.

old website = old

[real edge]

just do what hank says

[hollow hamlet]

there are no dump files, just from 2022

and 2 months ago

nothing for today, or last week

[void dove]

do you let it complete when it BSOD's or are you force powering it off during the crash dump creation process.

[deep sapphire]

^

[hollow hamlet]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[void dove]

if you dont let it complete, then there is nothing to check

[hollow hamlet]

I've let it sit there long enough to take a shower once, and nada

[deep sapphire]

if it locks up or doesnt compile the BSOD and then restart it wont generate a dump log

[hollow hamlet]

I just force a reboot by holding power

[void dove]

well same issue, yea, if it cant complete, well we can't check dumps, they dont exist

[hollow hamlet]

just fix everything with a kick or restart

[deep sapphire]

how often does it BSOD

[real edge]

let it complete the dump file, u need it to at least somewhat know what causes the issue

[hollow hamlet]

Very often

[deep sapphire]

how old is your PC

[void dove]

they said they took a shower, dumps dont take that long, even if you have like 32GB ram

[hollow hamlet]

these are all it has

A few years

[real edge]

why does ram matter

[deep sapphire]

because it takes everything off memory and writes it to your drive

[void dove]

its a crash dump, includes memory dump, which is the largest part of the dump, so if a FULL crash dump is done, large memory means it takes a lot longer.

[hollow hamlet]

......everything?

[deep sapphire]

if its not doing that, it likely has bad ram or a corrupt filesystem

[void dove]

can take minutes if you have a lot of memory and its doing a full dump

but a few minutes, not 10+ minutes

[hollow hamlet]

I assume red lines are bad?

[void dove]

and if its a storage issue, well windows can't put a dump, anywhere

[hollow hamlet]

this is the most recent one

[deep sapphire]

NTOS Kernel is just Windows itself

[void dove]

stop looking at months old BSODs, they may be entirely something else

[hollow hamlet]

True

[deep sapphire]

I suggest we do a memtest, then check the drive health

[hollow hamlet]

PC was chugging this morning

I loaded up fortnite, was browsing skins and the entire screen just froze

[deep sapphire]

maybe the reverse

either or

[void dove]

so yea, if storage breaks, in some way, crash dumps can't be saved, since well, storage isn't accessible when the system crashes. due to storage issue 😛
nice little catch 22 there.

[deep sapphire]

both need to be done

[hollow hamlet]

ctrl alt delete did nothing

[void dove]

Ctrl+alt+del doesn't do anything on a total freeze

[hollow hamlet]

it was stuck like a screenshot in time

[void dove]

thats why its a freeze

[hollow hamlet]

I know, just thought i'd point that out

so I restarted, then got BSOD

[deep sapphire]

the caps lock trick is the best way to know if your PC totally shit itself

since it uses IRQs, if caps lock dont light up

[hollow hamlet]

the what

[deep sapphire]

your PC totally locked up

[void dove]

capslock, does it work, yes/no

[hollow hamlet]

Oh!

[void dove]

if the capslock light doesn't change, then FULL system freeze

nothing will ever work by that point

or numlock of course

[hollow hamlet]

man the first link on memtest is to buy software

[deep sapphire]

IRQ (Interrupt Request) takes priority over any other command/process in the computer

they have a free version

[real edge]

theres a free version that does what you want

[hollow hamlet]

memtest86?

[deep sapphire]

yeah

[void dove]

the 2nd link is purchase

just click download

[hollow hamlet]

memtest86-usb... do I need a usb?

[modest moss]

what's wrong with the built in windows memory test?

[void dove]

yes, youll have to boot into it

[hollow hamlet]

fuck

[deep sapphire]

I've never found the windows memory diagnostic utility to do much

[void dove]

because it runs in windows itself.
outside test is best, as it runs without windows running, and actually reports issues

[deep sapphire]

which seems accurate for all microsoft diagnostics

[void dove]

yea im with hank, I have never seen the windows one actually do anything useful

[hollow hamlet]

uh oh

freezing again maybe

[void dove]

get a basic flash drive, and make sure there isn't anything on it you want to keep

[hollow hamlet]

can't interact with firefox or the window opened

[void dove]

and follow their instructions for setting it up

[hollow hamlet]

EMOTES DONT LOAD

CRASH INCOMING

Yeah froze

BSOd

[void dove]

https://www.memtest86.com/tech_creating-window.html

[hollow hamlet]

Ok I’ll grab a snack and see if any progress is made on the bar

Still 0%

[deep sapphire]

just power down your system

we dont need the crash dump anymore it wont help us

[void dove]

be warned, memtest can take hours to run a Full pass

[hollow hamlet]

Oh the screen turned off!

It restarted on its own wtf

[deep sapphire]

seems like you tried to download something and then it bricked itself yeah?

[hollow hamlet]

I unzipped memtest86, then opened the folder to read the readme

[deep sapphire]

oh

[hollow hamlet]

And then it froze

[void dove]

instructions

[deep sapphire]

gotcha

[void dove]

read

[deep sapphire]

yeah

do that

[void dove]

watch the youtube vide if you need

[deep sapphire]

then run that shit

[void dove]

its quite good

[deep sapphire]

report back in a couple hours

it takes awhile

[void dove]

they show you how to do everything

and even what it will look like

[hollow hamlet]

Now it’s stuck on press del or f2 to enter uefi bios

[deep sapphire]

oh no

[hollow hamlet]

[void dove]

ok

try power drain then

power off, at the power point

and WHILE POWERED OFF at the power point

[modest moss]

I would unplug the ancient hdd during troubleshooting too

[void dove]

press the power on button on the PC, for 30 seconds

after that, turn back on at power point, and turn on PC

that will reset the hardware, motherboard, graphics card, etc.

you dont lose anything, its just a power reset

if you have strange unexplained hardware issues, that can sometimes fix them

[deep sapphire]

I have to ask, you arent using a 20 year old hdd as your primary boot device are you

[void dove]

(very useful for laptops, if you can remove the battery, but also applicable for desktops)

[deep sapphire]

if it wont post again, remove the sata cable (the long thin one) from it and see if it does it again

[real edge]

her problems sound eerily similar to the problem I had where my windows SSD wouldn't get recognized

and I had to swap sata port

[deep sapphire]

it can hang for awhile on the bios screen

[real edge]

from one to another

[deep sapphire]

if a drive fails

or various I/O issues

[void dove]

also, on a bad restart, the system May decide to do a full POST, and not a quick POST

[deep sapphire]

god forbid mobo makers dont put DIAGNOSTIC LEDS ON THEM ANYMORE

[void dove]

and that can take minutes to complete

[hollow hamlet]

Yeah no new dump file

[void dove]

especially may happen if they have had a lot of hard resets in a short timespan

[hollow hamlet]

I didn’t do anything but as instructed lol

[deep sapphire]

okay lets re focus here

put the memtest on usb drive

follow the instructions provided

and then report back in a few hours

[real edge]

ye

windows is very dumb

but its what we have to use

its default repair tools suck

you gotta pray something doesn't fuck up somewhere

[deep sapphire]

the irony is in ways they have proper methods to repair things they just arent very accessible unless you know proper commands and what not lol

[real edge]

and when you google you get a a myriad of different solutions and its ????????

[void dove]

experience is key

you learn

[deep sapphire]

yup

[void dove]

what works and what doesn't

[deep sapphire]

pays to know how to troubleshoot

that applies to everything in your daily life

[void dove]

< has worked in IT/tech support for 12 years

[real edge]

ive had the same windows installation since windows 7 with no issues I couldn't easily fix, somehow, having gone through multiple CPUs and motherboards

no issues

yet

but one issue has popped up that ain't a big deal

[void dove]

i have a usb toolkit i setup myself
with over 20 tools loaded on it, including memtest and more, using grub so i get a menu to choose what i want.
also includes recovery environments, Winternals, Backup softwarte, HBCD and more.

[real edge]

it brings up an error when I try to download windows updates, like so

[void dove]

my machines barely if ever have issues nowadays

[real edge]

but idc much about updates I just care if my system works

[void dove]

my windows got rebuilt when i moved to Win10, as i didnt trust the win7-10 upgrade process.
then did a fresh install when i upgraded the hardware.

[real edge]

ive tried a million things I found on google but none worked

[void dove]

otherwise, works buttery smooth.

[hollow hamlet]

let me just copy the contents of the usb to my desktop rq

[modest moss]

windows upgrade has only ever been dogshit for me

[deep sapphire]

https://www.tweaking.com/features/windows-repair-all-in-one/

the GOAT

[void dove]

ive had some good some bad

personally my only big issues, were easily recoverable

[real edge]

the fix I got recommended is updating to 22H2 and seeing if that works

[void dove]

but i have seen clients have machines just get entirely fucked up grades

[real edge]

but I'd rather not touch anything if the system works tbh

windows is screwy

[void dove]

23H2 is out

may as well upgrade to that instead

[real edge]

windows only says 22H2 to me so far

[void dove]

grab the ISO, perform the upgrade manually

i did it on my work laptop 😛

internal IT is none the wiser 😄

[lost python]

Maybe you should update to win 10 22h2 like it says down below because the previous version that you most likely run isnt even supported by Microsoft anymore iirc

[real edge]

IF the update works lol

ohh you think that thats the issue?

[void dove]

^^

[lost python]

It explains why you can't download any other updates

[potent arrow]

I always do the iso method

I actively.discourage windows upgrade

[void dove]

if you have the ISO and chuck it on a USB, you can have it on hadn if something goes wrong to do a repair

[potent arrow]

I don't think I've ever had it function properly

[void dove]

also, you know

BACKUP YOUR FILES

for the love of god

always backup

[hollow hamlet]

10% writing to usb

[deep sapphire]

noooo my overwatch p- I mean its okay I didnt have anything important

[potent arrow]

the two things that make me the odder IT nerd, I do not trust windows upgrade and I do not trust windows secure point restore

[void dove]

yes, and yes

ill probably do a clean install when i go to win11

[deep sapphire]

system restore

has never done

anything

for me

like

nothing

[void dove]

system restore is garbo

[deep sapphire]

[real edge]

fixed a critical issue I had once where two fucking antivirus programs collided like gozilla and kong

[deep sapphire]

my favorite is the automatic system restore they try to force on you

and then it tells you that it couldnt do anything

like okay? thanks for wasting my time

[potent arrow]

client: can you just do a windows back up and restore for me? I don't want to comb through my files
me: you can take your PC elsewhere

[deep sapphire]

back on my 990X when I had a fat OC on that bad boy anytime it BSOD from it, stuck waiting for that shit to finish cause god forbid you cant just directly go into windows anymore

[void dove]

nah, even if out of support, updates should still Actually work.
but a build update (like to 22h2 or 23h2, etc)
will superscede this broken update, as well as a build update, replaces a large chunk of the OS files in one go.
so frequently a build update, can actually be used to fix, underlying OS issues. as it just removes whatever is broken entirely and replaces it.

[real edge]

makes sense

[potent arrow]

I'm also very iffy on drive cloning to a new pc ngl

I tend to just fresh install

fresh install fixes all.

[deep sapphire]

drive clones are fine

[real edge]

my system works fine tho I'd rather not do much tbh, idc about windows updates

[void dove]

yeah drive clones are less of an issue anymore

[potent arrow]

usually I don't like it because of update debt lmfao, just a bunch of fucking garbage being pushed to a new drive

[void dove]

especially with SSD's and M.2 ports being standard

[deep sapphire]

if your original file system is fucked you might run into problems but a chkdsk and sfc usually fixes that

[void dove]

you used to have compatiblity issues because of new tech, HDD to SSD cloning, etc

but if you're going from ssd to ssd, and same interface, its a non-issue

[potent arrow]

usually for file system recoveries, I just graft a new file sys on with a copy on my nas and gpart

then I charge the client 500-600$ for that

take ur files off it while it works.

[deep sapphire]

(thats like 40 dollars US)

[real edge]

I think my windows drive got cloned from an HDD to an SSD when I updated my system

[potent arrow]

real

[void dove]

for your average user, Veeam is amazing, as its free for the windows client, and they make the recovery disk for you as well.

[deep sapphire]

thats fine

honestly even IDE to SATA I've never had a problem

[potent arrow]

bro

don't fucking bring ide into this

[deep sapphire]

hell a cloned a fuckin ancient ass PS/2 era drive once

[potent arrow]

I don't want to remember that interface

[deep sapphire]

couldnt even believe the thing supported SMART

[potent arrow]

the amount of IDE pins I've had to straighten out in my life

[deep sapphire]

what about

mini IDE

[hollow hamlet]

ok usb boot drive created

[potent arrow]

fuc

SCSI if we are at it

[deep sapphire]

oh that thinkpad drive isnt sliding in all the way?

[void dove]

problem with that, is if the HDD didn't have 1MB cluster alignment, the SSD may not as well (if the clone software wasn't aware of it or couldnt correct for it).
so that would make the SSD performance and wear and tear on the drive, worse as cluster (or block? i can't remember the exact terminology), writes would happen over boundaries, causing the SSD to have to wipe and update 2 clusters/blocks instead of one on every write.
so performance would be a good chunk lower. than it should be.

[potent arrow]

(I liked SCSI)

[void dove]

tools nowadays dont care about this

windows is SSD aware, during install it does the alignment properly

and other modern OS's should be as well

[deep sapphire]

wasnt that like

the windows 7 era and before

it lacked uuuuh

[void dove]

but if you move from an old setup, cloning, it may have been an issue

[deep sapphire]

trim or something

I cant remember the term

[void dove]

no trim is hardware based

thats something else

[deep sapphire]

ah alright

[void dove]

we're talking cluster/sector/block alignment

win7 was ssd aware afaik

at least SP1 was

[real edge]

Ive had a pc for like 15years and I never had to troubleshoot anything cause everything always worked as it should so I lack major experience troubleshooting

[deep sapphire]

I had a SATA 2 era SSD

you had to configure it with TRIM first

otherwise it was fine

[void dove]

my brothers first custom built PC, couldn't do trim properly

[deep sapphire]

once they moved to fast boot and EFI that was a moot issue

[void dove]

we gave up after a while

it only worked in specific configurations

he just lived with the worse performance

it was still better than a HDD anyway

yep

[deep sapphire]

I was blown away it was like

250 MB/S read sure but like

[void dove]

as with all this stuff, the longer it goes on, the less the intricacies matter

[deep sapphire]

a mechanical drive was at best 80

[void dove]

as it is just all done for you

i remember when GPT started being a thing and vendors started shipping laptops with disks setup as GPT

we had the old IT guy, testing and reimaging laptops, and they wouldn't boot

[deep sapphire]

and you accidentally installed it as MBR

[void dove]

because he didn't understand how to restore partitions to GPT properly

with the backup sofware

[real edge]

chatGPT drives

[void dove]

so he flagged them as fucking, DOA, and sent them back to the vendor

had more, said they were also crap

i went... wait a minute

that makes no sense

[deep sapphire]

thats how most mobo RMAs work when someone builds a PC first time

[void dove]

so i spent a couple hours, figured out how tod o it

and told him how

jaded old fart

didn't even say thank you

was happy to just blame the vendor

and not even go "oh i didn't realise"

[hollow hamlet]

Ok so it’s doing the thing now. How long this gonna take again? 30 minutes?

[void dove]

how long is a piece of string?

is your answer

it will take as long as it takes

depends on the PC

[hollow hamlet]

Getting memory size now

[void dove]

you need at least one full pass, with NO errors

[potent arrow]

GPT being a thing is still relatively new is it? or is MBR very legacy now

[real edge]

[void dove]

if you see red

red=bad

=memory bad

[potent arrow]

also UEFI being introduced was actually a fucking fiasco

[void dove]

mbr is legacy as fuck now

[real edge]

memory, RAM, right?

[void dove]

"random access memory"

so yes

[real edge]

-person who never had to troubleshoot anything

ahoy

[void dove]

people who refer to storage as "memory"

annoy me 😛

dont be that person

[potent arrow]

depends if you are in the it sector or not is what you use

id you are its annoying

clients always say memory and it annoys me too LOL

[hollow hamlet]

Oh. It hasnt moved from getting SPD details in almost a minute

Oh finally. Well I guess I’ll use my switch

[void dove]

test should start pretty much immediately really

can't remember the last time a test took minutes to start

though ive not run one on a modern system in a long time

so i dunno if thats the norm now

[hollow hamlet]

Oh my Ryzen 9 5900x doesn’t support quad channel ram. Why do I even have 4 sticks

Pass 1/4 and 0 errors

[void dove]

no desktop chipsets support "quad channel" ram

its not a thing

despite what mobo makers say

[hollow hamlet]

[void dove]

dual channel, is it

[hollow hamlet]

24 cpus found, 16 started 16 in use.

I should stop looking at this screen it’s making me anxious

[void dove]

pass 1/4 just means its on pass 1 right now

whats the actual pass %

[real edge]

https://tenor.com/view/izuna-blue-archive-fox-anime-gif-26080871

[hollow hamlet]

Pass % in green is 41%

[void dove]

cpus started/active, doesn't mean anything here

[hollow hamlet]

Ok cool

[void dove]

its just, cpu cores used for testing

the RAM is the bottleneck not the cpu

and we're testing the ram

not the cpu

[hollow hamlet]

K

[real edge]

even if you have 3600MHz ram its still a big bottleneck?

[void dove]

the cpu doesnt really do much, its testing with patterns

[hollow hamlet]

Can I unplug the Ethernet cable from the desktop? Will that affect the test?

[void dove]

itll just tell the ram, put XYZ pattern in ALL your space

then read it back to verify its good

so the bottleneck is ram read-write speed mostly

cpu processing should be fairly low

though i could be entirely wrong

[hollow hamlet]

I haven’t found a game yet that I needed 64gb of ram for yet

[void dove]

lol

[hollow hamlet]

One day.

[void dove]

yeah, i went 32GB

and barely anything uses that

but its because im a power user

i do a ton of non-game production stuff

and muititask a lot

[hollow hamlet]

Yeah I kind of went overboard with this pc when I was buying parts lol

[void dove]

games more need vram

less system ram

[hollow hamlet]

10,000 watt psu baby

[void dove]

10000?
you mean 1000?

[hollow hamlet]

Barely fits in my desktop case but it works

[void dove]

no one has a 10000 watt psu

[hollow hamlet]

Yeah thousand

[void dove]

lol, nice

[hollow hamlet]

God, I would if they had one. That was my mindset when I built this one

[void dove]

yea they be chunky

[hollow hamlet]

“Go all in”

[void dove]

i believe there are some 1000+ psus that are regular size, but not so common

they are usually the larger size

[hollow hamlet]

The only thing not still part of it was a 3080ti which died after a month of use.

[deep sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058

[hollow hamlet]

And it died on a hunt train in ffxiv, so I’ve been avoiding them on my 3060 downgrade as well as my new 4070

[void dove]

my PSU is scraping by

[hollow hamlet]

I don’t t r u s t them

[void dove]

ill need to upgrade it if i ever do any other upgrades i think

its a 750W, and im running a 5900X and a 3070

[deep sapphire]

my 1070 died playing overwatch but it was the infamous evga sc2 cooler one

they forgot to put thermal pads on the vrm

[hollow hamlet]

[void dove]

my 3070 is a EVGA XC3 ultra
rip EVGA graphics cards

[hollow hamlet]

Did you know the 4070 is a perfect upgrade for a 1080?

Nvidia said so!

[void dove]

mhmm

[deep sapphire]

why stop there, upgrade to a 4090 from a 1070

[hollow hamlet]

To be fair my 1080 did everything I needed it to do

It only died after almost a decade of use

[deep sapphire]

10 series was great

[real edge]

the goat series

[hollow hamlet]

Half a decade my bad

[real edge]

1080 came out 7yrs ago

[void dove]

nvidia's biggest mistake, making the 1080ti the price it was.

[deep sapphire]

could have been worse, could have owned a 780

[void dove]

they regret that for many years to come

[hollow hamlet]

It felt like it’s been around a lot longer lol

I’ve had it for so long

[deep sapphire]

that could have been the 3080 too had scalping not been a thing

the 3080 at MSRP was a bargain

[real edge]

gotta pray my 1070 still continues to do well and function until the 40 series super series get released in Q1 2024

poor thing will get 7yrs old in 2024

[void dove]

i just want intel and AMD to step up properly and fight nvidia

we need more competition

ACTUAL competition

in the graphics card space

[deep sapphire]

AMD needs to sell off Radeon IMO, they need proper resources

[hollow hamlet]

Oh my god it’s taking forever to update Pokemon

Why did I close the game and opt for updating lol

[real edge]

I just dont understand why AMD drivers suck and bring down their GPUs

cause engineering wise the GPUs are good

[deep sapphire]

They have always sucked

[real edge]

but driver software just tumbles them

[real edge]

its a shame

[deep sapphire]

Fuck ATI

Fuck Radeon

Fool me once

[real edge]

like the 7900xtx has 24gigs of vram, good process node, good cooling and engineering on most aftermarket models

and it costs 900$

[deep sapphire]

And when they finally build goodwill they release dog shit like the 5700XT

[real edge]

but the drivers bring it down, its a shame

good engineering brought down by a bad software and marketing team

hate to see it

[deep sapphire]

you have to remind yourselves that companies are not your friend, if they dont make a product that functions properly they dont deserve your money

yes I agree competition is important but they did this to themselves

ATI at one point even had more marketshare than nvidia

multiple times infact

[real edge]

was this always the case?

good engineering, dodgy drivers?

[deep sapphire]

they've had some blunders in the past but they have largely kept toe to toe with nvidia in performance

X1900 was pretty bad

so was HD3000

[void dove]

AMD's graphics card devision, could do with learning from their CPU division

[deep sapphire]

but 4000 and especially 5000 was very competitive

AMD actually had a larger marketshare than nvidia at that time cause the 480 was such a blunder

good ol fermi jokes

[real edge]

AMDs CPUs are really good

mainly because they dont have to have drivers

[deep sapphire]

well they need chipset drivers

and firmware

which has been.... okay I guess

its better

[void dove]

yea, there is still a lot that goes into it. different kettle of fish compared to graphics drivers, but still.

[deep sapphire]

zen 1 and 2 was pretty bad

[void dove]

new architectures always have growing pains

look at intel 12th gen, they also had issues

[deep sapphire]

main reason I went with intel again was the chipset drivers

well that and the 7800X3D wasnt out yet

[void dove]

zen 3 is teh maturation of zen, works basically flawlessly

[deep sapphire]

yeah zen 3 is good

[void dove]

i skipped straight to zen3, and have been more than happy

zero cpu related issues

[real edge]

5800X3D the goat cpu

[void dove]

didn't exist when i got mine

so im on a 5900x

[deep sapphire]

my buddy had a 3600 and was gonna build a whole new PC and I was like no need man, told him to buy the 5800X3D and he was blown away lmao

[void dove]

fucking amazing, so power efficient

[real edge]

still tops charts one and a half years later

[potent arrow]

the 5800X3D is basically the 1080ti in staying power lmfao

That shits so hard to beat

I dont think Ive had something haunt me as longs as those two

[real edge]

cant wait for my future purchased 40 super series GPU to need DLSS for 60fps 2 years later cause tech advances too fast

but I doubt it

if my 1070 can get 60fps everywhere so many years later then so can a new GPU 2 years after that, or 4-5

[potent arrow]

if my 3060ti wasnt crippled beyond belief Itll probally run what I need for another three years at this point lmfao

[real edge]

do you have as much luck with tech as you do with your body

[potent arrow]

uh

lol

[real edge]

from what you've said here it sounds like it lol

[potent arrow]

More so I dont treat it right

I currently have no pc

GPU and cpu died the same week

perma dead, couldnt fix it

[real edge]

how

[potent arrow]

gpu die is cracked

motherboard is missing half its connectors

most of the psu wires are soldered directly

[real edge]

wtf

[potent arrow]

the ram is so corroded, I think its missing a dim lmfao

the cpu doesnt work in any other board for some reason

[real edge]

you are very unlucky

[potent arrow]

I'm just an idiot

the parts are from clients machines that I fix and cable together

so now I'm doing the ole student set up again

I'm surprised laptop works

GPU is hardware bypassed and software bypassed

batteries are both shot

[real edge]

I just keep stuff in my tower as safe as I can, until they go slower than I'd like then I replace em, I also tend to keep stuff until it dies, if I can

[potent arrow]

left hand USB c port is full of gunk

and this laptop leaks hydraulic fluid

camera is also cracked

[real edge]

maybe ud do better as a mad scientist than an IT person

[potent arrow]

electronics engineer

same thing

[cold yacht]

I sometimes debated if buying a new was worth it

My old cpu was a 2600

[potent arrow]

i don't like buying new usually

just use parts from rejected client machines

but now I've shuttered, I really need to buy my own PC parts : P

[real edge]

I bought an M2 PCIe 4 2TB ssd for like 138euro

im waiting for it to arrive in january

bought it from a store that imports from places that make them cheap so shipping times are ultra long

but I do not mind

I am debating whether or not I should get 32gb of ram but

I dont think I have to

[dire viper]

Sarah soon creating her own CPU instead of buying a new one

[sly elk]

where's the rest of your setup? O_o

[potent arrow]

other house

I don't have a machine to run those lol

so I gotta downgrade for a bit

[sly elk]

i'm impressed ya didn't take your keyboard with you

[snow cypress]

Would the corsair fan controller work with non corsair fans? I have 2 nzxt fans the I took from my old case

[sly elk]

for rgb or for fan speed?

[potent arrow]

no USB ports LMFAOOOOO

[snow cypress]

Just the fan speed

[sly elk]

if you're talking about using a corsair commander pro (or xt) to control fan speed, yes that will work with any kind of fan as long as it does 4 pin pwm

the rgb connectors will technically work with anything that does 5V argb, but you need to make/grab an adapter to fit the argb connector most fans/motherboards use

(I use a corsair lightning node pro to control my lian li strimer cables lol)

[sly elk]

sarah do you just have a rule to never spend money on your own computer? XD

[potent arrow]

I have other more important things lol

running a business
cars
my family
modeling

I've mostly outgrown gaming, my laptop works for now

[sly elk]

i know but there's a difference between "I have other more important things" and "I deeply regret ever spending a dime on a computer"

oh well, whatever floats your boat

[potent arrow]

don't need it rn tbh

kinda tryna cut off screen time

just priorities

[hollow hamlet]

When will this end

[deep sapphire]

it doesnt end it keeps going until you end it

did you get any errors?

[sharp star]

So uh, what do I do with a PC if:

• Power is going to it but it doesn't power on
• I already tried shorting the pins but it also won't power on
• I tried resetting the CMOS, flashing the BIOS, and it still won't power on

Do I just check the CPU?

[deep sapphire]

wym it doesnt power on

a defective CPU would still allow it to power on it just wouldnt do anything after

[sharp star]

It doesn't POST I mean

[deep sapphire]

CPU failure is extremely rare

[sharp star]

I might just reseat it and see what happens

[deep sapphire]

do you get a bios screen?

[sharp star]

Nope. Power going to it but pressing the power button or shorting the power pins doesn't work

[deep sapphire]

typically likely culprits are graphics card or ram not seated

oh

you mean like

the mobo headers?

[sharp star]

Yeah

[deep sapphire]

so how are you turning it on, mobo has power button?

[sharp star]

I'm absolutely unable to lol

[deep sapphire]

well you are fucked then

[modest moss]

did anything happen before it started doing this? is it a new build? upgraded something?

[deep sapphire]

you must've fried something

[sharp star]

It's an old build

I don't think it's fried (yet), there's lights on the mobo

[deep sapphire]

you can still short components out

and have it get power

I did it once

[sharp star]

rip

[deep sapphire]

it could be salvaged but you'll have to check for evidence of it which will probably require you take the board out

[hollow hamlet]

[sharp star]

I have a spare CPU that can be socketed in so I might be able to check that

[deep sapphire]

guess you can try but it should still start with a defective CPU

the mobo uses the bios eprom for initialization

[sharp star]

okay, yeah I remember that happening once on a separate build, was able to power on but not POST

like period

I might try to plug another PSU just to cover my bases

[deep sapphire]

before you do that

you can short the 2 power pins on the 20+4 connector with a paper clip

and it should start

[sharp star]

Oh, yeah, paperclip method

[deep sapphire]

https://www.silverstonetek.com/upload/downloads/QA/PSU/PSU-Paper Clip-EN.pdf

[sharp star]

Thanks Seasonic for the free shorting things

[potent arrow]

I know this is a pain in the fucking ass, but if that doesn't work. pull the motherboard out and sit it on the box or any box. so it's not sitting on anything conductive then see if you can get it working outside the case

[hollow hamlet]

So do I end this now or what?

[deep sapphire]

keep it running

64GB of ram

[hollow hamlet]

[deep sapphire]

[hollow hamlet]

When do I ennnnnd iiiiiiiiit

Go I go until 4/4 passes?

[sharp star]

Did the paperclip method. The fans budged but don't spin

I heard a click and saw a little bit of movement and that's it

[deep sapphire]

did you hear a relay click

alright

[potent arrow]

I can help a lil when I get to my desk

[deep sapphire]

I think its probably toast tbh

[potent arrow]

a lot of psus don't spin up till under load

[deep sapphire]

specially if its old

[sharp star]

The PSU?

[deep sapphire]

old PSUs dont do that

thats a modern feature

[potent arrow]

how old is it lol

10 years? lmfao

[sharp star]

Less than

[deep sapphire]

just let it run

gonna go play a game on my working PC

cya later

[hollow hamlet]

[sharp star]

I'm gonna plug in a different PSU to the mobo then

[sharp star]

If it is the PSU then I think I have my culprit

[deep sapphire]

its a likely culprit

[potent arrow]

common culprit

and cheapest one arguably

[hollow hamlet]

Oh god I need to run 3 more hours… cursed 64gb

[deep sapphire]

it takes awhile regardless, in my olden days we always ran it overnight

granted that isnt really an option for you

[potent arrow]

Hank trouble shoot my pc for me

[deep sapphire]

okay

[potent arrow]

I'll give you the 60 inch pipe wrench you'll need to beat it to smithereens

[deep sapphire]

do they even make them that long

[potent arrow]

yeah

[deep sapphire]

we had a 48" and I fuckin hated using it

[potent arrow]

we have two of em

dude it's so unwieldy yeah

[deep sapphire]

even though it was aluminum it was so heavy

trying to use it on any verticle pipe just made me wanna

[potent arrow]

ours are steel Milwaukee ones

[paper tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/freeman-computer-angry-destroy-frustrate-gif-19504830

[potent arrow]

I don't think we are using it properly

it's the two engineers one fitting

each one in a direction lmfao

[deep sapphire]

60 inch steel pipe wrench

fuck that

[potent arrow]

BIG

[deep sapphire]

I bet that weighs 50lbs or more

[potent arrow]

i drag it to the fitting on the job site

too fucking annoying

[deep sapphire]

https://www.amazon.com/31045-Heavy-Duty-Straight-60-inch-Plumbing/dp/B001HWL3A6?th=1

only 500 dollars

[potent arrow]

https://www.homedepot.ca/product/milwaukee-tool-60-inch-steel-pipe-wrench/1001656163?eid=PS_GOOGLE_D25T_Corporate_GGL_Shopping_PLA_Tools_Tools__PRODUCT_GROUP_pla-306208974840&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAvdCrBhBREiwAX6-6Um7FrQyho2Dirps1pfocFvnBA3Il1zQP_UmgnFksfrl5xoyYg8xCeBoCiKkQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

YEAAAAAHH THERE IT ISSSS

[deep sapphire]

BEEN IN THE PLUMBING TRADES 55 YEARS WE ONLY USE RIGID THE OG PLUMBING TOOLS YESSUM

[potent arrow]

Teach me how it's done ya plumbing hoe

actually the amount of new guys on site who don't know there's a direction you are supposed to use these in is hilarious

I just stand and watch it slip out the jaw over and over

[deep sapphire]

I actually learned that on the bottom of the adjuster you can push in on it and it releases the jaw slightly so you can get it off shit easier

im like ...

[potent arrow]

lol we just

kick it with our steel toes

[deep sapphire]

https://i.imgur.com/yAkI3F8.png

[potent arrow]

like, what's kit gonna do. it's a chunk of steel

[paper tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oC_yrYHPAXg

[deep sapphire]

just push this in

[potent arrow]

nah nah KICK

[deep sapphire]

when its on the fixture

[potent arrow]

HELL YEAH

well our fittings are always on hoses lol

[deep sapphire]

LOL I get his shit in my feed too

[potent arrow]

I love hydro NYC

Hank I'll say

fuck chain wrenches

genuinely

[deep sapphire]

true they are useless

[potent arrow]

we needed a big boi chain wrench for a soft water main

[deep sapphire]

just use

cobra pliers

[potent arrow]

and the foreman made us a 80incher

and FUCK

I think I had the chain slap me in the face twice using it

[deep sapphire]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000SOVRNC?ref=nb_sb_ss_w_as-reorder_k1_1_10&amp=&crid=2CR6XOMAVOZB9&amp=&sprefix=knipex+xxl

Last purchased Jul 15, 2022
Size: 22-Inch | View order

[potent arrow]

I was tempted to just cut the pipe with a sawzal

[deep sapphire]

thats right I bought these

I own the XLs too

[potent arrow]

🤌 anything smaller I have my trusty harbor fraught nightmare wrench

welded 1" square tubing to a cut off head of a pipe wrench

[deep sapphire]

put their hand in this

[potent arrow]

pipe circumciser?

[deep sapphire]

its so weird that rigid has 2 different owners

[potent arrow]

who owns rigid now?

[deep sapphire]

the power tools brand isnt even related to the plumbing company

rigid power tools is owned by TTI

same company that owns Milwaukee

[potent arrow]

yeah assumed so

[deep sapphire]

Rigid Tool is its own company based in I think Ohio

[sharp star]

Tested the spare PSU. Power went to the motherboard but pushing the power button still does nothing

I guess that eliminates one suspect

[deep sapphire]

did you accidentally short something else when you tried to short the 2 header pins

[sharp star]

Nope

[deep sapphire]

it just up and randomly said fuck you then

that sucks

[paper tusk]

:< I would remove everything except the cpu and one stick of ram (remove from case in case short to ground)

[potent arrow]

^^^^

[paper tusk]

if that doesn't work mobo is fuckerd

[potent arrow]

that's what I was suggesting

biggest pain in the ass

[sharp star]

Mobo is likely fucked

[modest moss]

technology sucks innit

[potent arrow]

what lights are on the motherboard? if any and can I have the model number?

I'm at my desk I can poke around

[potent arrow]

the more I deal with tech the less I want to

[modest moss]

I hate it now

[paper tusk]

meanwhile me: would do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ-BA7GgJWs

[potent arrow]

I would do it to try it

I have the equipment

just the will is weak

[potent arrow]

now that I closed all my contracts and shuttered my business, I'll probably be helping out more often here

scratch the itch

[deep sapphire]

we've had a lot of

FUCKED UP

computers today

and yesterday

(all of them have been AMD btw)

coincidence?

[sharp star]

Asus ROG Strix B550-I Gaming, lights on the rear audio jacks are on, and when I attempted to flash the BIOS the flashback light was on too

[potent arrow]

oh

I work with that board a lot

that shit is dead

[sharp star]

Well

fuck.

[potent arrow]

👍

[sharp star]

I think I can salvage everything but the board then

[potent arrow]

I replaced those often and that's pretty much how each one turned out

I've mentioned it here a few times before

[deep sapphire]

Is it still in warranty?

B550 isn’t that old

[potent arrow]

thoae are 3 year standard so

[sharp star]

probably

But it'll be faster if I just transplant everything that's salvageable to a spare board on hand

[deep sapphire]

At least get your moneys worth

[hollow hamlet]

[deep sapphire]

Stfu McDonald’s

[sharp star]

Yeah I'll just transplant everything for now, then search for the receipt later

[deep sapphire]

Aeris needs to get to her ram is this just some aluminum heat plate or something

Never seen this before

[sharp star]

if I had to hazard a guess it’s under that black shield or you’d have to flip the board over

[potent arrow]

looks like it

looks like an MSI tho

so I don't know too much because I boycott their laptops

[modest moss]

it is MSI I think

[potent arrow]

no it's def msi

I know that layout

they don't change it often

erm Hank that actually might be soldered mem

[modest moss]

it's an i9 with a 3060

mad spec

[potent arrow]

yeah then it really might be soldered lol

hmm

i9 3060

that sounds like an MSI stealth?

[glossy ravine]

I dunno if it belongs here or gaming gen, but the steam deck is a seriously neat piece of hardware. (Doubly so to the Oled.)

I'm finally able to tackle my PC backlog.

[potent arrow]

I think that model is soldered lol

or it's on the top (unlikely MSI sucks dicks)

[deep sapphire]

I found a video thanks

[potent arrow]

what model is it! I wanna know how close I got

[deep sapphire]

dont worry about it

[potent arrow]

I'm always curious -_-

man.

[deep sapphire]

LMAO

[potent arrow]

I know it's an msi

fuck

FINE ILL GO DIG IN MY FILES TO FIGURE OUT WHICH IT IS

[deep sapphire]

have fun

[potent arrow]

DAMN I WAS CLOSE

THAT'S A GE MODEL

FUCK

GE7X raider series

I was so close ;-;

[hollow hamlet]

[deep sapphire]

you can stop it anytime

that is, if you dont want to let it finish

[hollow hamlet]

Well when does it finish? 8 hours?

[deep sapphire]

just end the test

[hollow hamlet]

No I need at least 1 error or this will have been for nothing

[deep sapphire]

not every test needs to replicate a problem, we are trying to rule things out

phantom problems and all

[hollow hamlet]

It’s at 3/4 pass, 0 error

Whatever that means

[deep sapphire]

just end it, its probably fine

[potent arrow]

you don't want to see an error lol

and 3/4 passes is fine

[deep sapphire]

I've seen it take over 24 hours before it generated an error, but if its as fucked as it has been I think something would have cropped up by now

[hollow hamlet]

This is current

[modest moss]

if it's been stable enough to memtest this long it's either storage or windows most likely

[hollow hamlet]

…don’t tell me I need to get rid of my two and a half decade old HDD

[deep sapphire]

is that your boot drive or something

I asked that earlier but never got an answer

[hollow hamlet]

D drive. Boot is m2

[deep sapphire]

alright

I doubt thats the culprit

[hollow hamlet]

Nothing on it but lewds duck pictures.

[deep sapphire]

so the system locked up at boot

[potent arrow]

I mean did you just check crystal disk info

[deep sapphire]

didnt AMD have a problem where sometimes ram could take an assload of time

rather let me rephrase it

[modest moss]

I've had additional storage fuck my shit before

[potent arrow]

for vague smart errors

[deep sapphire]

AMD had a problem where sometimes it could take several minutes to post

[dire viper]

alright chat can I get opinions on this, building it for a friend https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M67VmD

[deep sapphire]

its shit

next question

[dire viper]

😭

[modest moss]

Here's my opinion

[dire viper]

hank san :(

[deep sapphire]

ALRIGHT

[modest moss]

[glossy ravine]

Today I will weaponize the dote Emote.

[deep sapphire]

cant lose the overwatch p- I mean ducks

[glossy ravine]

The what

[hollow hamlet]

So does it generate a list of stuff if I hit escape?

[deep sapphire]

huh

[deep sapphire]

no, just exit out

[hollow hamlet]

I might disconnect the d drive and go from there

[deep sapphire]

worth a shot

[modest moss]

do what Sarah said

crystaldiskinfo

[hollow hamlet]

It’s a drive I had from the mid 90s so lol

[deep sapphire]

wtf

[hollow hamlet]

What? I don’t fix it if it’s not broken.

[deep sapphire]

[dire viper]

erm

[deep sapphire]

do you have like

an IDE adapter

[dire viper]

that shit has written all that it could write

[hollow hamlet]

[deep sapphire]

IDE to sata on a modern PC

[dire viper]

1% health left

[deep sapphire]

thats funny

thought I've seen it all

[dire viper]

but fr I do need feedback on that part list

[potent arrow]

just

[dire viper]

even if ur going to be cringe :(

[potent arrow]

crystaldiskinfo kieran

[hollow hamlet]

Ok when this episode of invincible ends I’ll end it and disconnect the d drive

[potent arrow]

smart data isn't the best, but it can hints if drive is bad

it's easier then disconnecting the drive

[deep sapphire]

okay let me look

dont get CL36 ram

get CL30

[dire viper]

[deep sapphire]

I got fucked on that

couldnt even turn XMP on and I heard its no different with EXPO

[hollow hamlet]

@hollow hamlet gonna ping myself to find where I left off lol

[dire viper]

oof

[glossy ravine]

Ever since updating to w11, Zoom has not liked me. Not sure why

It's kept crashing. Repeatedly

[dire viper]

so chucked some CL30 on dat baby

[deep sapphire]

have you tried reinstalling it

[dire viper]

they want a radeon card for some reason

dont ask me why

[deep sapphire]

your friend?

[glossy ravine]

I should try that

[dire viper]

yea

they just went "hrrm all AMD pc"

[wise jay]

lmao

[deep sapphire]

thats okay they will learn the hard way

everyone's first PC they act like an AMD cavalier

and then they get old and cranky like me

[dire viper]

but also trying to get a 4080 is awful rn

[dire viper]

oh they've used intel nvidia for years

[deep sapphire]

also

[dire viper]

they havent bought AMD ever

[deep sapphire]

dont buy an OS

[dire viper]

yea i know

hankerton

[deep sapphire]

I can get you a key for dirt cheap

alright

[dire viper]

its just on there for filler

just like the crash structures on teslas

[deep sapphire]

that monitor probably sucks ass too so get rid of that

[dire viper]

they dont do anything

they just look nice

[dire viper]

nah that ones good

its from the Nhadala list plus I know its good

[deep sapphire]

oh okay

[dire viper]

have a friend whos already running one

[deep sapphire]

man I need a beer

felt like

work today

[dire viper]

tall boy

[deep sapphire]

a nice cold

budweiser

yessir mmhmm

and if you say anything about budweiser I will kick you in the DICK

[wise jay]

budweiser ick

[deep sapphire]

im kicking you in the dick

budweiser is the best meh beer ever made

that cant be disputed

its the facts

[wise jay]

https://tenor.com/view/kengan-ashura-ohma-tokita-raian-kure-anime-dick-kick-gif-16284759

[deep sapphire]

they have literally designed the most 5/10 beer ever made

[dire viper]

nvidia premium is cringe, they be making up for inflation thats gonna happen in 10 years for real

[deep sapphire]

using scienece

and technology