technology-discussion

[dull garnet]

[sly elk]

but the included cables always suck

[dreamy chasm]

If you want aftermarket cables, get a seasonic or corsair

they generally have better support

[sly elk]

yea!

I used these

[dreamy chasm]

That said, extensions are universal and will work

[sly elk]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BJMDHLW

[dreamy chasm]

it's just the ones that plug directly into your psu that require specific ones

[hard drift]

Extensions are great if you have short cables

Otherwise it gets so bad

[dreamy chasm]

its ok

just shove it behind the panel

[sly elk]

yea and corsair's really good about selling a large variety of cables

[dreamy chasm]

no one has to know;

[hard drift]

It can still get bad 😭

[dreamy chasm]

no one

[sly elk]

yea it depends on what kinda build you're doing 😄

[hard drift]

Lmao

I will always know

[dreamy chasm]

i hide my cables like i hide my mistakes

behind closed doors

[sly elk]

also tbh even if I didn't have a window on my case

[dreamy chasm]

[sly elk]

i like good cables >>

[hard drift]

[dreamy chasm]

too bad my current build is an itx

[hard drift]

No, the other emote was better

[dreamy chasm]

literallly no cable hiding room

[sly elk]

i just wish the company that made the connectors made higher quality ones

[dreamy chasm]

its about stocks, i dont like them

[wraith agate]

nice

[sly elk]

because especially the video card ones like to cut my fingers

[hard drift]

What did you expect from itx 😭

[hard drift]

Understandable

[dreamy chasm]

exactly what i got

its still a shame

[hard drift]

Lol

[dreamy chasm]

cable hell

zip ties were my best friend

[real edge]

you can also get a direct connector for an old psu

3x8 to 16pin and 4x8 to 16pin exists as a cable

[hard drift]

Is that metal textured or is it dusty

[dreamy chasm]

metal textured

used 6700xt i got for 300usd

[hard drift]

Nice

[dreamy chasm]

(cheapest ones new are 500 at current day, kill me)

[hard drift]

Yikes

[dreamy chasm]

We're basically forced into buying used cards

[inland mauve]

converting from four 8-pin cables to one 12VHPWR cable is a nightmare for your cable management

I really wish I had paid more attention and got a PSU with a built-in 12VHPWR connector

[real edge]

the cablemod connector I got seems sleek, not that I am using it right now tho

[sly elk]

huhhh

or is that because the 7600s are out now

[dreamy chasm]

no

prices are always garbage here

[dull garnet]

Cablemod do a right angled 12vhpwr connector

[sly elk]

ahh ok

[dreamy chasm]

rx 7600s are 310 here

[sly elk]

i paid 250 for my 6650xt and it looks like you can still get em for that much lol

[dull garnet]

Hesitant to drop 40 euros on one cable tho

[dreamy chasm]

nevermind, 330

[real edge]

I basically had to cause I had no 8pin cables beyond the 6+2 cables I use for my 1070 :x

I checked and never found them

[dreamy chasm]

speaking of power supplies

it's funny how much manufacturers overstate requirements

but it isnt completely unsurprising either ig

650w recommended for the 6700xt when it barely breaks 200w at load

[dull garnet]

Nothing new tbh

[sly elk]

you want margin

[dreamy chasm]

yeah

[dull garnet]

They just don't want to be liable for crap PSUs

[real edge]

you can run a 4090 on a 650w power supply if you power limit the GPU enough but it isn't recommended

[dreamy chasm]

god knows what garbage they have in 20 dollar 750w psus ig

[dull garnet]

Good PSUs basically only state the 12V rail wattage too

[sly elk]

imho and this is mostly from observing the tier list and a little bit of experience with different models of PSUs

somewhere between 650 and 750w there's a jump in PSU build quality lol

[dreamy chasm]

You want some overhead but, the stated requirements tend to overshoot it by quite a bit

and, not always?

[sly elk]

the nicer models usually start at 750w

[dreamy chasm]

tons of 650w's with decent build

[dull garnet]

laughs in 7 year old 650w platinum PSU

[dreamy chasm]

but the higher end stuff definitely leans towards the higher wattages

[sly elk]

it was especialy bad during the last few years x_X

[dreamy chasm]

im still running strong on a 500w

[dull garnet]

3 more years out of this baby

[sly elk]

they don't really make them anymore.

for example corsair's HXI

they only make those in 1000w and up now, I think

[dreamy chasm]

10 years warranty baby

[dull garnet]

Same

[sly elk]

I believe at one point someone managed to drag an answer out of corsair as to whhy

and the answer was along the lines of "the ICs they use are hard to get right now so we just prioritize the most profitable models" or something

kinda like how it was easier to get a 3090 than a 3060ti lol

err more like 3090 vs 3080 since those were the same chip

bad example lol

[dull garnet]

They priced the 3080 too cheap

I'm sure that was a factor too

[sly elk]

i also think it's relative, but I won't go smaller than 750w myself

[dreamy chasm]

I paid way too much for this but, that was peak pandemic

[dull garnet]

I'd probably go 850 min now

[dreamy chasm]

I don't need or want a 4090 tier card anyway

[sly elk]

you can usually find a nice 750w for like $100-110 depending on the week

[sly elk]

for my main rig i went 1000 😄

[dull garnet]

Those Corsair rme are nice

[dreamy chasm]

750w leadex gold was running for 85 bucks recently

[sly elk]

they had the rgb one, too lol 😄

[dull garnet]

only gold but standard atx form factor

[dreamy chasm]

this unit's also really good

[sly elk]

I recommend reading the reviews on that one

I was going to buy an rm750e and ended up forking up the extra $10 for an rm750 because of them

[dreamy chasm]

The x's are slightly better than the e's, yeah

I don't think it's particularly significant? but it's there

[dull garnet]

That is the impression I got

[sly elk]

rmx > rm > rme

[dull garnet]

The x is chonky

[sly elk]

the x uses a big ML fan

[dull garnet]

In my smol case

[sly elk]

the regular rm uses a very quiet fan

[dull garnet]

Anyway, while off yet

[sly elk]

the rme apparently has a noisy one?

[dreamy chasm]

you step down from a 10 to a 7 year warranty going from an X to an E model

don't power supply fans tend to run at lower rpms unless you're nearing full util?

[sly elk]

yea that's another thing

for the extra $10 the rm is worth it

[dreamy chasm]

yeah

[sly elk]

it comes with better cables, too

[dreamy chasm]

Only thing that'd sway me towards the E is the native 12vhp cable but

[sly elk]

and yes the x is chonky lol 😄

[dreamy chasm]

there are probably better units with native support in the price range

[sly elk]

yea fair nuff

i really didn't give a damn because I didn't want a 40 series anytime soon anyway 😄

[dull garnet]

Not too many options in the UK anymore it seems

Sadly, Corsair seems the best bet

[dreamy chasm]

same

ill probably run this 6700xt in the ground before i consider replacing it

i figured as much after i realized all my playtime was in apex legends and ffxiv instead of any moderately demanding title in the past 3 years

and the card runs both at 1440p 144hz

that said, i should probably replace the paste on this

105c junct at 200w load doesn't seem great

[dull garnet]

do like that my 4070 loads at like 70c

[dreamy chasm]

My card would probably load lower but

I doubt it's been repasted in years

[sly elk]

the grass is truly greener on the other side

lemme tell ya what gaming with a high end card is like

NOISY

[dreamy chasm]

I got it used off of some korean guy

still has the warranty sticker

[sly elk]

I fucking hate high end GPUs

[dreamy chasm]

instead of noisy, they're just huge now

[sly elk]

no, trust me, they're still noisy

[dreamy chasm]

well, maybe a combination of both

[dull garnet]

was probably only used for starcraft 1 then 🤣

[sly elk]

noisy and huge

[dreamy chasm]

i wouldnt be surprised if all they did was play brood war on it

[dull garnet]

define high end

[sly elk]

nvidia 80/90 series or radeon 900s

[dull garnet]

what do you have?

[sly elk]

evga 3080ti

lol I don't wanna hear it.

and even if the 40 series were quieter

they're giant ugly bricks

[dreamy chasm]

My 6700xt pulse can run really noisy but I'd have to set the fan curve to allow it

[dull garnet]

have you undervolted at all?

[sly elk]

no

[dreamy chasm]

factory curve caps out at 2100rpm, but the fans can go up to 3000rpm if i wanted to

[dull garnet]

you should give it a go

[sly elk]

the car is barely stable, I am pretty sure if I undervolted it, it would be a BSOD extravaganza

(that juicy EVGA quality)

[dull garnet]

ohhh :<

[dreamy chasm]

at least their customer service is good

i wonder if they still have backstock cards for rma orders

[dull garnet]

i ran my 3060 ti at 0.9v the whole time

[dreamy chasm]

i unfortunately can't run an aggressive undervolt on my 6700

[sly elk]

but yea, my experience with running the same game on mid-end cards and high end cards

is the high end cards are noisier

[dreamy chasm]

got it from 1200mv to 1160 but any further and i just crash

[sly elk]

they do better quality and higher fps, sure

it's just the reality of your GPU putting down like 380w

[dreamy chasm]

power reqs just being naturally high just requires a lot more cooling ig

yeah

[dull garnet]

this is all part of why i went 4070 over 6950 xt

[sly elk]

like, high end gaming is cool

but a bit overrated imho

just a bit

[dreamy chasm]

actually

want to hear what it sounds like when my card rips 3000rpm?

[dull garnet]

run at 1v on this card

[dreamy chasm]

it's kind of funny

[sly elk]

besides the difference in gaming on a 4070 and a 4090 probably isn't anything to really write home about

[dreamy chasm]

my case has huge holes all over it so none of the sound gets muffled

[dull garnet]

i don't remember my last high end card

8800 gtx was like 60c idle... lol

6800 gt too

[dreamy chasm]

idm idle temps

tbh

they usually arent indicative much with how much cards tend to just lower their fan speed on lower loads

[dull garnet]

i prefer modern idle temps tho

fans spin down completely on this card, same as my 3060 ti fe

[dreamy chasm]

same

40-50c, 10w draw on desktop

[dreamy chasm]

@sly elk 3300 rpm max

Reminds me of those old reference blower cards

[dull garnet]

bro...

reference cards of old

[dreamy chasm]

LMAO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQhqOKKAq7o

I kind of miss them

[dull garnet]

I had the chad palit though

(9800 gtx+)

[dreamy chasm]

400w card on a blower

[dull garnet]

stuck one of these on more than one 8000 series geforce

[dreamy chasm]

yoo

[sly elk]

hehe

[dreamy chasm]

remember when people would get those triple fan arctic coolers

[sly elk]

reminds me of the good ole days

[dull garnet]

so expensive ;o;

[sly elk]

and the Power Mac G4 (Mirrored Drive Doors) and its swiss cheese backside lol

[dreamy chasm]

i've never understood x86 desktop macs

they seem like prebuilts, but shittier from a price perspective

[dull garnet]

🥲

[dreamy chasm]

The 128 bit bus would be fine on the 60ti, they said

meanwhile:

330 vs 400 dollar card btw

[potent arrow]

Dude my 3060ti is so fucking dead

I need to put a new GPU in

[dreamy chasm]

oh no

what happened

[potent arrow]

It's been dying for a while lol

[dreamy chasm]

Ah.

just normal use? or

did you pump voltage into it

[dull garnet]

looking forward to better 1% lows on the 5800x3d

[potent arrow]

All the parts in my pc are corroded

You can't take the ram out without pliers.

[modest moss]

beats it on everything else though

[dull garnet]

i think i could bump my memory a little too but meh

[modest moss]

oh I have more rops/tmus whatever the fuck that means

it just says more is better

actually a bunch of things are better on this 3070ti

we should do some comparisons when you get your cpu

[dull garnet]

🫡

[modest moss]

I'm sure you'll get better numbers mostly though, smaller die, extra 4gb vram, those are pretty big

[dull garnet]

ff14 benchmark gonna gobble up that l3 cache

after this i'm done for another 2 years

bought a cheap ssd heatsink too

[potent arrow]

Are those really ever needed?

I've never had a use case

[dull garnet]

no but also my kioxia runs very hot idle and the cooler was like £6 so i thought why not

[potent arrow]

Oh kioxia lol

[dull garnet]

yeah...

it was cheap-ish as i figured tlc+dram would be better than qlc

but it is also warm

45-50c idle

i'm sure this will do sweet fa but hey

[dreamy chasm]

Oh, ow.

[sly elk]

-looks at 3d printers-

[hard drift]

i have had nvmes fry themselves from getting too hot somehow tbf though they were intel ones

[dull garnet]

solidigm!

[late basalt]

why are you dusting your pc with a power washer?

in other news, i'm about to make one hell of a medusa's head once i do this soldering

why not get one of those long workbench style power strips and mount it underneath the desk?

ngl though, cable management is one of those things where i feel like it's better to have a closet exactly opposite your desk so that you can shove all the cabling through the wall so it looks nice and neat for the desk

and an unholy mess on the other side

[sly elk]

yea there's a tradeoff between "neat & tidy" vs "I need to move this thing and now it's going to take me all afternoon to redo my cable management"

it's funny to think it's heavier than mine, but I'm pretty sure it is

mine's more in the 50lb range probably

the case alone is 50?!

how?!

lian li wtf

mine is 36lbs lol

amazon says the o11d evo is 29.3lbs

yea, I am positive yours is heavier just because of the water cooling equipment and the hard drives lol

hard drives are heavy

yyou also have like twice as many fans as I do

at least...

i have 9 fans lol

[inland mauve]

fans stick together

what are you even doing with them

[sly elk]

he runs a 13900k and a 3090

and just wants quiet computing

[grim rock]

with the right headset, you've got a quiet computer

[inland mauve]

quiet computing with a 13900K?

a fool's errand

https://tenor.com/view/breeze-blowing-man-sitting-sofa-gif-6824106

my cooling when I run the experimental path tracing mode in CP77

or when I just casually launch Satisfactory

that experimental path tracing mode is very experimental

it needs a bunch of tinkering

wake the fuck up samurai

I'm waiting for the update that comes with the DLC

[dreamy chasm]

Where's the 13900k

[modest moss]

Don't encourage him

[sly elk]

a 13900k would drop right in on that pretty lil Z690 board.

[late basalt]

Christ I hate soldering sometimes. Hour and a half and the Medusa head is almost done. Just need to tie off the leds to a ground/neutral wire and the other side of the switches to a ring terminal

[cerulean talon]

You can blame me for your happiness all you want.

[cerulean talon]

I'll take it, it's something.

[grim rock]

business equipment is meant to be in server rooms, ofc they're loud. those server rooms are all about airflow and earmuffs

[grim rock]

noice

https://i.imgur.com/Ntj5yxE.png

this stresses me

just make it rodent free

pls

sounds like a quiet server room to me

just calculate your usage

and make sure you're using 80% of the circuit's capacity to stay safe

if you're unsure, get a killawatt

you don't need to get startup usage, just peak under load. stagger startups to avoid overloading circuit at once

do you have multiple circuits in garage?

ik mine has 2 separate ones

1 15 and 1 20

so you can run patch and plugs

[odd talon]

So I'm planning to order a ssd next week. How do I transfer everything from my hdd to the ssd?

[grim rock]

install ssd, copy over everything. assuming you don't have OS on hdd

[odd talon]

Right, funny thing about that

So I have other hdds on my pc and they are not detected

[grim rock]

yee probably dusty but just blow it once a week

[sly elk]

i thought you'd get a regular wall mount rack

[odd talon]

Remind me, the Samsung 870 QVO sata is the largest ssd with 8TB right?

[sly elk]

like one of these maybe

idk

my garage gets hella dirty by the door

[dull garnet]

updated my b450 tomahawk bios, soon as i'm back in windows i get an msi software installation prompt

SUS

also good on msi for still updating this board

[inland mauve]

not bad

did you get that weird DLSS bug where a shiny object just keeps getting shinier and shinier until it's brighter than the sun?

I have that in the nightclub

[torpid kayak]

a friend asked me about his PC build. I suggest he goes with 5600 or 12600k, and a 6700 xt 🤔

have been months since the last time I check about GPU or CPU, so perhaps what I know is outdated now

[real edge]

1200 euro for that???

[torpid kayak]

am not sure. Other components are not common in my place and I don't know how the prices in his place (he is in Germany, btw)

also the Palit 3060. It is a "modified" one, according to him. Not a 3060 TI 🤔

[real edge]

from germany he should be able to get way better price than that

[torpid kayak]

where should he get his PC?

I don't know how things work over there D:

[real edge]

https://geizhals.de/

have him search here

[torpid kayak]

sure when he is back from job

[lost python]

cheap

[real edge]

that is cheap?

[lost python]

both the parts and the price

if you pick the parts manually you still arrive at 1200

but the parts picked are complete ass for the most part

actually decent stuff will become more expensive though

[real edge]

yea that power supply especially

also why not 5800X3D

[real edge]

Have him swap his CPU to a 5800X3D https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-a2660252.html

Have him swap his ram kit to a 3600MHz one https://geizhals.de/corsair-vengeance-lpx-schwarz-dimm-kit-32gb-cmk32gx4m4d3600c16-a2657555.html

Have him swap his PSU to something better: https://geizhals.de/corsair-rme-series-2023-rm750e-750w-atx-3-0-cp-9020262-eu-a2928368.html (or the 850w version if he can afford it)

CPU Cooler to this: https://geizhals.de/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-a2647175.html

maybe even going with AM5 might be a good choice if the pc is new cause then he will have longevity and multiple supported future cpus, if he can stretch his budget a bit

but the 5800x3d is good enough to last for many years already

especially if future titles support vcache

[lost python]

also different case, get rid of the nasty HDD, get a better SSD, better GPU model
like essentially everything

[real edge]

the 6950xt is like 600euro and under

[torpid kayak]

well there is a SSD. Another is a 4TB HDD for storage stuffs or something

[lost python]

HDDs are obsolete in every average PC

[sly elk]

i agree with all of that

especially with how cheap SSDs are now

that said

everything you're talking about improving will probably drive the cost up if they'

they're buying it prebuilt or buying from a retail store

[real edge]

you can buy it from separate stores and pay some small hardware store to put it together for you

[sly elk]

yep yep

[real edge]

that is what I do

[lost python]

depends on where you live

[real edge]

the dude assembled my pc for 20 bucks last time

and his cable management is really good]

[lost python]

good luck trying to find a local store that will build you one here in germany. they just dont really exist anymore

unrelated, but i think its kinda funny how much outrage there is about starfield potentially not having DLSS, despite nobody giving a shit whenever nvidia locks games to their shit only

some people pretending like the game is entirely unplayable without it

[umbral moss]

and it's funny that people are outraged over a feature that usually doesn't work properly anyway

[dreamy chasm]

4060 reviews are out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS0sfOb_sVM&

[lost python]

120w-160w. wow

[dreamy chasm]

The efficiency and dlss3 are the only things worth considering about this card

[lost python]

but still only 8gb of vram and not really fast enough to really warrant getting it over the 3060ti tbh

[dreamy chasm]

yeah.

if you can get a 7600 for a lot cheaper, that's a better deal if the 4060's exclusives isn't a selling point for you

[real edge]

8gb of vram in 2023 lmao

[dreamy chasm]

it's basically identical in raster

or.. just get a 6700xt if you're in an area where that's discounted to 300

[lost python]

kinda weird that its on average still slower than the 3060ti ngl but oh well

[dreamy chasm]

it sort of makes sense from a price standpoint but

still

it's disappointing.

[lost python]

[dreamy chasm]

it also just suffers once you try and push past the 8gb vram buffer

like, holy shit

the 3060ti and the 6700xt go on sale for only 10-30 bucks more

[dreamy chasm]

the 7600 is 50 usd cheaper

[lost python]

oof

[modest moss]

You'd expect a 4060 to beat a 3070 easily and it can't even beat 3060ti

Wild

[inland mauve]

I cannot wait for the 4090 Ti to come out and be only nominally faster than the 4090 or so

what is up with this series

why is the 4090 the only one whose position in the line-up makes sense if you ignore its price, because it is waaay too expensive

[dull garnet]

Pcie 8x only too

Like those Radeon cards

[hard drift]

they fucked the bandwidth it's also only x8 and if you're on gen 3 get fucked lmao

[dull garnet]

Ti is the same

[dreamy chasm]

with how little bandwidth they use, idt gen 3 is going to be a major bottleneck

[hard drift]

and the new rumor is this generation unless they refresh it is lasting until 2025 so rip gamers

[dreamy chasm]

it's still fucked, though

128 bit bus

[dull garnet]

Gen 3 at 8x is the issue

And yes it makes a difference

[hard drift]

yeah

[dull garnet]

That's gen 2 16x basically

Long saturated

[dreamy chasm]

nvm, it's more pronounced than the diff between the rx 6600 gen 3 and gen 4

sure love cost cutting.

[hard drift]

they couldn't care less since AI is driving their income now

[dull garnet]

Woop woop

[sharp star]

https://twitter.com/Harusrl/status/1673795113770786819

🏳️‍🌈 Haru 🏳️‍🌈 (@Harusrl)

here is a real pc that was brought into our repair service

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Twitter · Jun 27, 2023, 8:47 PM

[solid dirge]

I mean... that looks like it was done on purpose tbh

Still funny, but I feel the GPU probably runs fine?

[sly elk]

And everyone falls all over themselves to buy it for 2k because “it’s the best value bruh”

[modest moss]

@potent arrow you'd do this

[potent arrow]

I did that for many years lol

I had an acer veriton I kept upgrading

[modest moss]

you are a menace

[umbral moss]

it is though, it's the titan equivalent card for this generation

the 4090 ti is basically the titan black refresh

like, are you going to spend $1200 on a 4090 or $1000 on a 4080? which one makes more sense?

[sly elk]

are they going for 1200 now?

i'm still seeing 1650-1900 on newegg

[umbral moss]

the founder's MSRP was $1200, but good luck finding them there

all the AIB partner boards are like "we added 6 RGB fans, now it costs $1900"

[hard drift]

the msrp of a 4090 is not 1200 for a 4080 sure

4090 was 1600

[sly elk]

really

also no

afaik the 3rd party margins are tiny for the 40 series, it's why evga isn't making them anymore

[dull garnet]

@modest moss

[sly elk]

pentium 4 of GPUs smh

I wonder if there's some kinda ticking time bomb in these fat pig GPUs that makes them break after 4-5 years

like the crap capacitors most pentium 4 motherboards had 😄

[umbral moss]

I'd bet on the VRMs eating shit if you leave it aircooled

RIP my old GTX480

where the stickers on the PCB melted because the top side of the board got to 85C

the board

[dull garnet]

Wasn't too bad to install the cooler

[sharp star]

Thermalright coolers are fine to install, don't really find it different from, say, Noctua

[sly elk]

they both use some clip-on mechanism no?

not like be quiet's giant screwdriver?

[lone zealot]

@sly elk Could be just standard wear and tear. GPUs often have huge heat stresses

[modest moss]

Yeah that's a good bit higher than mine iirc, I feel like I get 22-23

[odd sand]

Isn't sugar bad for the pump and radiator? /s

[lone zealot]

@odd sand Yes, its like putting sugar in your gas tank.

[sly walrus]

sugah makes it go fastah

[dull garnet]

https://twitter.com/tercio_miranda/status/1674063530205630464?s=20

tercio (@tercio_miranda)

Why?

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Twitter · Jun 28, 2023, 2:33 PM

[dreamy chasm]

Board repair gone wrong

[sly walrus]

“you didn’t need that slot” - mobo manufacturers, probably

[dreamy chasm]

This is probably a repair

Used a bigger cap than designed for

[sly elk]

it might work if you're using ram without a heat spreader

but that is a giant cap for that spot lol

[odd sand]

I assume the answer is: The user only had the orange slots populated, so it didn't matter.

Or yes, if you look at the one orange slot that is basic bitch ram, so it might literally be thin enough to slot in despite that being there.

Orrrr.... without context it might be a joke and the cap isn't even soldered on

[royal forge]

nono, it's just that advanced Ice

also

hi ice

!hank

[opal panther]

はなざわ | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/95363911

Sourced via nekos.best || Artist Page: https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/41052795

[royal forge]

haha

i saw that

ICE IS HORNY ON MAIN

ICE IM THINKING MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE 4090

I DONT KNOW WHY

IM NOT EVEN FULLY UTILIZING MY 3090 AS IS

LMAO

why

work?

[sly elk]

that's $1600?!

[royal forge]

but why

[sly elk]

i'm pretty sure unifi gear doesn't even cost that much wtf

[royal forge]

i find it kinda funny

cuz here

unifi is our essentially-monopoly ISP's broadband service

and

[sly elk]

but unifi is from 'murica

[royal forge]

their gear is fucking trash

[sly elk]

ubiquiti unifi

[royal forge]

it's all TP-link shut

but loaded with

holy fuckin shit

[umbral moss]

SHA1 encryption is, in fact, bullshit

[sly elk]

the thing that makes me laugh is tp-link rather blatantly copies ubiquiti

[royal forge]

jesus

Ice

what the fuck u buyin em for

[sly elk]

tbh

if I was spending that much

i'd pay the extra $400 >>

[royal forge]

wtf

[sly elk]

but i didn't spend that much 😄 and I also have the fancy enterprise secure network

[late basalt]

ice over here being a one man OGA now

[sly elk]

that said

wait.. what?

it identified my vlc connection as a threat? lol 😄

oh that's kinda interesting

i really should toss those amcrest cams

quite old

[odd sand]

I wouldn't call that high-security, but for the average consumer SHA1 should be fine. While it's possible with not as much effort these days, nobody is going to dedicate the resources to cracking the SHA1 of some nobody

[sly elk]

hmm that reminds me

i need to find a replacement camera for that old amcrest lol

I really shouldn't be using the new amcrest either >>

[dreamy chasm]

Do any of you know if there's much of a difference between noctua and arctic paste

[odd sand]

I doubt it. Most of the higher end pastes are fairly similar and the average user not overclocking won't notice a difference.

[dreamy chasm]

Mmh

[odd sand]

There's only a difference when you go between paste and liquid metal

[dreamy chasm]

I guess I'll get a tube of whatevers cheaper

My GPU hits 105c junct during load, so the paste is probably due for a replacement

[sly elk]

it doesn't matter. arctic is more popular. thermal grizzly is even more popular

[dreamy chasm]

I'm looking into NT-H1

Mostly because their longterm stability claim

TG also gets hyped but I see reports of it changing noticeably in a few months

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/yqwg9c/arctic_released_mx6_thermal_paste_some_reviews/

[sly elk]

i use nt-h2

[dreamy chasm]

Oh, they have a ver 2?

[sly elk]

the only gripe is the tube is pretty large vs what's actually inside there

[dreamy chasm]

Yeaah

tbf

They did tell you that it's just 3.5g

[sly elk]

but i mean

if you're worried about value get the 8g arctic mx4 😄

[dreamy chasm]

I think 4g of mx4 and 3.5g of nt-h1 are the same price here

idk if id be able to use 8g before it dries out anyway

[sly elk]

yea looking at it, i could get 8g of mx4 for $8 vs 3.5g of nth2 for $13

[dreamy chasm]

i kind of just want to repaste my gpu and forget about it

[sly elk]

but at the same time

i've used it several times now and still have left over lol

[dreamy chasm]

yeah

3.5g vs 4g

[sly elk]

$9.49 for 4g oof mx6 and 6 wipes

i think i'd buy that over the noctua nth2 that comes with like 4 wipes for $13...

plus

it's a much more attractive blue

i don't care much for shit brown 😄

[dreamy chasm]

I like noctua brown

😔

[sly elk]

that's just my thing haha

[dreamy chasm]

besides, i kind of trust their overengineering a bit more

[sly elk]

if I bought noctua fans I'd get the black chromax ones

[dreamy chasm]

I'd do a brown/black build if I had the choice to

But their fans are expensive

[sly elk]

i like this, though the heatsink covers are kinda ugly

but just the plain black looks slick

[dreamy chasm]

fair

[sly elk]

i've seen people use brown corners on black before

[dreamy chasm]

that's what I want, but i dont think they sell those(?)

and besides, i'd have to get an entirely new case since this one requires me to shave off the corners of my fans to fit them in due to shit tolerances
(I was fine doing it to cheap p12s but, noctua fans are a different story)

and itx cases are expensive

just checked, 4g of mx-6 is 12 usd here

i think ill just get the h1

[odd sand]

That's basically all of them though come with a big tube. I think the longer length gives you better control of dispensing it. Also even though it's only that much, that's good for like half a dozen CPUs at least.

I still have my tube of arctic silver from like 2010 and it's still not empty

[dreamy chasm]

Yeah I

Never get the people who buy a whole tub of it for personal use

I wonder if NT-H2 is worth an extra few bucks

[dull garnet]

this looks like ass

[odd sand]

I didn't know Noctua designed anything that wasn't 80s brown

[lone zealot]

@sly elk Its not the size of the tube, but how you use it.

@odd sand I was surprised as well. I predict the world will end when they launch RGB products

[proven oyster]

i can't deal with PCs anymore. orz

Goes to dust off PC outside and desk cus it was about time
Ended up putting PC on its side to dust its underside
Once all settled, back on top, turned it on

BOOT DEVICE NOT FOUND

I did pushed the cables back in, all good now, but its like
Gosh i dont like this heart ache

[muted spoke]

there's a reason why tech people's ideal job is something in a cabin in the woods with no technology at all

[proven oyster]

i plan to get a laptop

just solely

so i dont deal with hardware internals

Last time i tried to clean the inside of this PC, it legitimately caused something that needed me to do a CMOS reset

[dreamy chasm]

help

[wraith agate]

Wha

It's a tissue box flower pot and something to do with coffee too?

[dreamy chasm]

yeah

[dreamy chasm]

I just remembered that I had this in the drawer @sly elk

[sharp star]

eat it

[dreamy chasm]

eat this

[golden stream]

Only the collab w LTT, they made the black fan + orange rubber feet

[inland mauve]

where's the hecking search bar on Twitter

why is this site so useless to find anything that the algorithm isn't pushing onto you

[lone zealot]

Morning

Since its quiet, I would like to open up a discussion. "What is your favorite browser and why?"

[modest moss]

Firefox with noscript on my pc but I'm lazy and just use chrome for a few sites and chrome on my phone too

[golden stream]

Firefox by default anyway

[umbral moss]

firefox 😌

chrome is internet explorer 6 in 2023

[umbral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[lone zealot]

You know those are fighting words.

[umbral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/veronica-mars-veronica-mars-season1-kristen-bell-return-of-the-kane-hulu-gif-17064976

chrome sucks shit, google is fucking terrible

[lone zealot]

hehe, no fight from me I use firefox

[dreamy chasm]

I was scared taking it apart, the paste had a vice grip on the card lmao

[umbral moss]

sites are specifically coded for chrome because chrome has proprietary bullshit that's not standards compliant

and they glacially update the chromium trunk because all their dev effort is spent on spyware telemetry to feed their search algorithm more information on you

[inland mauve]

I have used Firefox for years

and with the way things are going with the other major browsers, will continue to use it for years

[umbral moss]

yeah, I almost shit my pants when I was dismantling my titan to put a waterblock on it

a nice $1200 "oh shit" mistake

[golden stream]

It's even worse on mobile bruh
On my work phone, firfefox barely able to load anything
On my personal phones at least it works

[lone zealot]

Your work pone is most likely locked down with some setting that don't play nice FF

[umbral moss]

firefox mobile is so depressing because they got muscled out of making native-speed apps thanks to the fact that apple and google hide their native-level APIs from third party devs

the biggest reason windows phone 8/10 ate shit was because google intentionally crippled API access for microsoft in specific

[inland mauve]

Youtube purposefully trying to break picture-in-picture mode in Firefox so they can sell it as part of their Youtube app subscription

fortunately the mobile FF app has finally updated to reallow it

[umbral moss]

further proof google sucks

[inland mauve]

there was this huge court case against Google a few years ago about all of the evil shit they've done

it's mindblowing

[umbral moss]

and nothing came out it because being extremely unethical is 100% legal in most jurisdictions as long as the shareholders are making money

[inland mauve]

they go incredibly far out of their way to sabotage their competition, and to get around privacy measures built by their competition

[umbral moss]

which, conveniently, is a venn diagram of a circle when it comes to legislators and regulators

[inland mauve]

they did so much to circumvent the privacy settings of Apple devices and steal data anyway

[dreamy chasm]

Had to watch a dismantling video just to be sure I didn't leave a screw in on my end

[umbral moss]

I just put it in first and floored it when I got my block lmao

[inland mauve]

when you configure privacy settings, the first thought of Google isnt "oh privacy is clearly important to this user", their first thought is "how do we get around this"

[lone zealot]

@inland mauve Naw, they just ignore it

[inland mauve]

Google is a deeply, deeply immoral company

[umbral moss]

google and amazon are the top examples of enshittification

[astral ridge]

They are an advertising company that sometimes does things not related to ads to distract people.

Their actions are consistent at least.

[inland mauve]

I don't really know what point you're trying to make here tbh

[umbral moss]

a disruptive company emerges with a new, innovative product that really solves a customer use case -> the product expands marketshare because it's actually good and the features are aimed at increasing user satisfaction -> the company starts making a shitload of money -> the company goes public and makes even more money -> the company deprioritizes the consumer in favor of the shareholder -> the product is completely enshittified

[astral ridge]

That if I keep that in mind, I can always guess what they will do

Your privacy means less advertising dollars. Therefore - they work around it.

They only want people using chrome because they gain more data from it.

So they break alternatives

[umbral moss]

enshittification

[inland mauve]

it's just that the mindset is so... evil

I put a lock on my door so Google tries to enter through the window

[umbral moss]

chrome was better than the competition when it launched, but microsoft and firefox have really come back with superior products

[astral ridge]

Well they can’t sell you things if you don’t let them in!

[inland mauve]

I lock my window down so Google comes down the chimney

[umbral moss]

although mozilla does need to fix some of the memory leak issues they still haven't fixed after 15 years lmao

[astral ridge]

That’s why they pay Apple billions a year to be the default search engine on iPhones.

[umbral moss]

oh you have 15 tabs open? firefox needs 50GB of memory for that

imagine being the browser that mainstreamed tabbed browsing and resolutely not improving on it the entire time

[astral ridge]

It’s gotten better.

[umbral moss]

"better"

[astral ridge]

Or I got more Ram

[umbral moss]

firefox still has gross leak issues

[astral ridge]

Either or

[umbral moss]

yeah, you just have a bigger pool for firefox to shit in lmao

that's usually the tipping point when people are like "wow, this used to be terrible but it's good now"

the software is still junk, you just have a computer that's 250% faster so it muscles through the shit

[astral ridge]

I haven’t had any issues with Firefox in a long time.

[umbral moss]

with 128GB of system memory, you better not

although firefox does get pissy if you have a lot of tabs open for a long time

there's an occasional issue I run into where firefox just grinds to a halt for no reason and it's only using like 4-ish GB

dunno what it's doing in the background that it needs to be restarted

[dreamy chasm]

from 105c peak junct to 90c

Not bad

[lone zealot]

@dreamy chasm not bad at all

anyone liek to watch spacecraft launches? https://www.youtube.com/live/Su9IbRyS_aE?feature=share

[inland mauve]

I hope this one isn't going to implode

was it certified?

[lone zealot]

@inland mauve No danger from imploding. Exploding on the other hand

@inland mauve Oh yeah, there are strict certifications for human rated rockets and spacecraft.

Need approval from both the FAA and NASA in the US

Reason why the Titan sub imploded was because the builder literally cut corners and used materials that were not suited for the task

[odd sand]

Yeah carbon fiber deteriorates over time when put under stress, so it was only a matter before it failed because it can't be maintenanced

And the engineers said it's strong from being pushed out, but not pushed in

[inland mauve]

is that why it survived the first few dives? it became weaker over time?

[lost python]

lmao, nvidia posting comparisons of the 4060 vs 3060 on twitter
barely mentioning that the 4060 is using dlss and the 3060 is not

[inland mauve]

nvidia try not to lie challenge (impossible)

[dull garnet]

What do you lads use to stress CPU? My usual prime95 heat test thing got my cpu to 90, cinebench for 10 mins was more like 77

[inland mauve]

if I watn to stress my CPU, I'll play FFXIV

[lost python]

usually i just let it run a few loops on cinebench

and then i just play some games that i know are taxing

[sharp star]

https://twitter.com/digitalfoundry/status/1674436483300872195

Digital Foundry (@digitalfoundry)

The new Intel Arc graphics driver. It's true. All of it. @IntelGraphics @ryanshrout

Twitter · Jun 29, 2023, 3:15 PM

[modest moss]

It'd be nice if intel GPUs end up good

[dull garnet]

What if the A770 ended up on par with a 3080 somehow

[umbral moss]

I'm more interested in the next gen intel GPU

that one looks like it'll be a real contender

[paper tusk]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/729157/intel-arc-iris-xe-graphics-beta-windows.html

looks like the uplift is only ac unity

of course support for aew bugs forever

[sly elk]

honestly I'm fine with that.

at least it's not webkit/whatever the fuck they call the chrome engine

if you told me like 20 years ago that kde konqueror would be the basis of the web browser the entire world used in the future

i'd have laughed

[wraith agate]

I'm still extremely worried about delivery people not delivering my stuff because they got the old phone number I no longer have and also apartment doorbell phone thing not working

Nevermind as soon as I said that, I got an email where I could change the phone with the delivery people

[odd sand]

You can get your apartment buzzer updated by contacting your landlord

[graceful pine]

Pure dumb luck

There’s a massive window on the Titan sun rated for 1300 meters

The titanic is at 4000 meters

It’s not a sphere

Deep sea subs should be a sphere

[inland mauve]

but that's like several times the pressure, how the hell did it survive that

[minor hollow]

Because lots of things have conservative estimates on them

Better safe than sorry

You might be 99.99% sure your glass is safe for 2000m but you are only 100% sure for 1300m

Do you say 2000m and risk the 0.01% chance of everybody fucking mcdies

[inland mauve]

but the pressure at 1300m and at 4000m is a HUGE difference

the difference between 130 and 400 atmospheres

[minor hollow]

Yeah but the overly conservative estimate means

You can probably get lucky a few times

Until you dont

[graceful pine]

Honestly can’t find where I found those numbers on the window

[minor hollow]

Actual tech question

[graceful pine]

But the fact that is wasn’t a sphere is just so awful

That deep you always want you’re sub to be a sphere

A perfect sphere had equal pressure all around

[inland mauve]

I kind of want to watch that documentary about James Cameron diving to Challenger Deep now

[graceful pine]

Ah there is it is

The number is from a lawsuit about the safety of the sub

[minor hollow]

Is cdkeys legitimate for ps plus

[inland mauve]

"OceanGate would not pay the manufacturer to build a viewpoint cleared for 4000 metres"

why not? why not??? you were diving TO 4000m

[minor hollow]

Well because

Regulations bad

[minor hollow]

Literally everything to do with this submersible boils down to Rush thinking

"Yeah nah we don't need that i can do it cheaper"

[graceful pine]

Non existent actual for subs

[inland mauve]

god the amount of publicly available evidence for the wilfull incompetence and death by guilt

[graceful pine]

Of course rush was the pilot so he’s dead

Probably some other people at the company can charge with negligent manslaughter

[inland mauve]

do they even need a discovery phase when they get sued

oh yeah they'll need to find out who else was responsible

so they'll probably dig up every email for that

[sly elk]

yea plus there's stuff like material fatigue and stretching and stuff

idk if they considered that and replaced parts when they sank it every time

or they just took the 100% same sub and used it again and again

[astral ridge]

We don’t know

They had another sub before

[sly elk]

in my book it kinda doesn't matter anymore

[astral ridge]

Some things have been mixed up and

[sly elk]

also afaik the window survived

because from the pics of the stuff they recovered, the front dome with the window attached was one of the things you see

[astral ridge]

It’s not like this was a regulated operator that needs new safety rules

[sly elk]

i'm not complaining about it being discussed here but I'm also beyond fed up of hearing about it 😄

every other news-ish website I go to has had a picture of that damn thing on the front page for a while now

[graceful pine]

It was just such an absurd story which made it notable

[sly elk]

Consider that in about a month, more people die by falling out of bed than did in that submarine

[lone zealot]

RIP WINRAR: https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/06/30/windows-11-build-23493-preview-adds-rar-tar-7z-and-other-archives-support/

[austere socket]

based on how the news was reporting it, I think a lot of people just didn't realise what an imploding sub actually looks like

the Oceangate sub would've looked like a Coke can getting run over on a highway

nobody should've even been asking if they suffered

I guess being close to the Titanic makes it more memorable too

[minor hollow]

The fired employee asked how they would test the parts between dives to make sure they were fine and Rush literally didn't have a protocol

[sly elk]

you'd think so, but in reality the materials were more brittle so it just broke apart in the process

I was also like 'wut?' when I saw the pics of the recovered pieces because they're not all crumpled up

[lone zealot]

yeah carbon fiber can fatigue quickly in extreme environments.

[austere socket]

the carbon fibre would've definitely shattered in a million tiny tubes

that part of the laminate was rigid, but the actual pressure vessel inside was titanium I believe?

a titanium designed to flex if necessary and still return to its previous shape

I imagine those big recovered pieces were mainly the electronics that were outside the vessel / inside the tail?

[modest moss]

I've bought it from there in the past yeah

black friday deals from Sony are generally better though

[minor hollow]

Alright

Thanks

What about windows keys? I used some of my old parts to build a PC for my dad except I didn't have an old computer to get the windows key from for it and he's one of those people who hates getting that message

Hes about to straight up pay $200 to Microsoft for win10pro if I don't find something else

[sly elk]

fancy

[grim rock]

looks clean

[late basalt]

if you go into the activate windows thingy there should be an option to tell you that you built/upgraded the pc but it's "the same" and it'll go "ok np i gotchu"

[peak shard]

If there’s anyone in here that can help me with some code on python please send me a DM. 😣😭

[torpid kayak]

friend goes with 5800x and Sapphire Nitro+ 6800 XT. He asked if 850W Be Quiet Pure Power 12M is enough. I told him it too more than enough and he goes down to 750W which is like 60 euro cheaper. Perhaps 650W is enough but well I don't want him to cheap out PSU 🤔

[late basalt]

depends on how likely he is to upgrade in the immediate future

[torpid kayak]

he wants a second monitor, as far as I know

[grim rock]

that's not gonna really matter

750w is fine

[odd sand]

I have my PC wired and don't really need more than 802.11AC on my phone or tablet. Even when downloading steam updates on my laptop over the wifi it still seems to get like 200-300mbps at least, which is fine.

I assume since you have a house though, you have a lot more devices connecting and a lot more interior walls blocking signal

Although I assume you have a couple APs around the house.

[inland mauve]

I can't see tweets at all anymore without logging into Twitter now?

before it didn't put up the sign-in screen until I scrolled down on a tweet

but now it just stops loading the tweet and immediately jumps to a sign-in screen

what a joke of a site

if you want me to stop visiting twitter entirely, this is how to do it

[odd sand]

How big is your house? I put 3 into my parents house and even that seems overkill since its like 1500sqft besides the garage

[dreamy chasm]

650 is enough, but 750 gives you a bit more headroom

[real edge]

depends on future upgrades

I still think a 5800x3d is better

as a purchase

[torpid kayak]

he doesn't play AAA games most of the time. other times it is just office works. Still worth extra cent? 🤔

[golden stream]

I'm thinking on upgrading phone
Which is better? The Z Fold or S23U?
Only samsung rn bc I need stylus

[golden stream]

It's WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too overkill for office work
UNLESS compiling excel macro/code

[real edge]

how much is he paying for the 6800xt btw

[golden stream]

But ya if he wants a machine that can run good for like more than a decade, 5800x3d is good if with good cooler as well

[wraith agate]

Most of my stuffs arrived! Woo!

[lost python]

id totally get the 5800x3d in that case yeah

[lost python]

he was german right?
because in that case it might be worth keeping an eye on mindfactory, because in their mindstar and damn deals categories, they often sell previous (and current) gen stuff for good prices
https://www.mindfactory.de/DAMN
https://www.mindfactory.de/Highlights/MindStar

[dreamy chasm]

It's kind of awful if you're building new

imo

would much rather just get a 7700

[real edge]

depends on the budget

[dreamy chasm]

D5 isn't much more expensive than d4 these days

And you can get decent B650 boards that don't have shitty vrms

[real edge]

tell him to come here and ask us these things himself, its better than playing broken telephone

[dreamy chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekeTA1rds1s&t=624s

If he doesn't play AAA games, honestly just get a lower tier cpu and and maybe gpu

Put the money into a better monitor for productivity

[dreamy chasm]

board is barebones, but it's good enough to even run a 7950x if you take 5 mins to change a bios setting

[real edge]

the vcache is mostly what concerns me

it can be very valuable in some not-triple-AAA games depending on what you play

paradox/sim games for one

but

buying new, AM5 is better right now

but it depends on the games you play

and if you plan on upgrading in the future or not

[dreamy chasm]

Vcache is great for gaming but, it doesn't really help scale with a lot of workloads that they might be doing if they're doing anything remotely compute heavy

The 7600 is cheaper and usually either is on par or outscales the 5800x3d in compute, and still performs pretty well in gaming

[golden stream]

Tho depend on the task itself

If heavy excel load, depend on task may need vram or raw power

[lost python]

honestly good point. didnt even consider the possibility of actually good boards at this pricepoint by now

[dreamy chasm]

B650 is getting competitive now

No reason not to consider am5 at this point

Outside of tight budgets

Where stuff like an h610 w/ a 12400 or a 5600 on a b550 might be more practical

[lost python]

ram is still quite pricey though so the total cost would even out again, but at that point id rather get the current gen than previous gen

[dreamy chasm]

There's still a price gap but, it's not super significant

[lost python]

conveniently, the 7600 is on sale for 219€ on mindfactory rn

[dull garnet]

Ram isn't that bad currently

[dreamy chasm]

It's a 20-30 usd delta compared to similar capacity d4 iirc

It's not like where it was at its peak, where kits were genuinely thrice the price

[lost python]

an actually decent kit of 32gb is about double the price of DDR4 here rn

ddr4 being about 60-75€ and ddr5 between 120-150€

[dreamy chasm]

It's not quite that high, but the gaps still there, yeah

5600 cl36 is about the minimum id go

[lost python]

i wish pcpartpicker would update their website to give a better overview tbh

[inland mauve]

it kind of crazy how much faster my new computer is compared to my old one

I thought the old one was fast

but that DDR5 and that 13th gen CPU make a difference

it's especially hilarious how much longer it takes for Stellaris to slow down now

but it always reaches that point eventually

[dreamy chasm]

We've come a long day since quad core hell, kind of hope the same kind of competition comes to the GPU space

I hope Intel's battlemage ends up being good

The a770/a750 look genuinely promising judging by the improvements they've made to drivers so far

But I can't really recommend them due to the issues they still have

[lost python]

oh yeah i saw the posts about the newest driver earlier today
jumping from 29fps to 70 is huge

[umbral moss]

it doesn't appear that the hardware is too bad, just that the drivers are dogwater

considering it's a first gen product it's not exactly surprising

battlemage will probably be better overall

[sharp star]

https://youtu.be/1FTjRfkEFk4

[umbral moss]

AM4 in the year of the affixed god 2023

🅱️ls

[lost python]

230$ lol

unless its somehow faster than the 5800x3d, it wont be worth it at all

[dull garnet]

sweats

Better not be

[lone zealot]

Doubt AMD would want to cannibalize sales of its high end CPU

[dreamy chasm]

It might have its price dropped

That said, it'll probably be near the 5800x3d unless the game values the multi thread particularly much

The 13600k only really has 6 perf cores but still nears the 13900k in gaming perf due to frequency alone

[dull garnet]

so hardware unboxed got 80c from their 5800x3d with a corsair h150i (3 x120 fan rad), getting just shy of 77c on my peerless assassin

[dreamy chasm]

Is your ambient lower?

Could possibly also be a difference in TDP, maybe

Workload might also put different amounts of strain

[dull garnet]

ambient was 21c, so around the the same. workload was 30 mins of cinebench

either way, its just funny that aio aren't that good

considering cost

[odd sand]

I assume their ability to dissipate heat isn't linear to the rad size. Usually AIO vs traditional cooler comes down to aesthetics. Not everyone wants a 12x12x12cm brick in their case

[dull garnet]

cringe

[wraith agate]

*Not everyone wants a 12×12×12 cm brick in their brick

[glossy ravine]

Last. 7 or so hours of Reddit being not trash. Enjoying it while I can

[dreamy chasm]

Larger rad surface area helps a lot, but the amount of air you push into the rads also decides just how much of that heat is dissapated

[grim rock]

what thermal paste were you using for both cases?

and did you apply it the same way?

I have a h150i and when i ran my stress tests at 23c ambient, i didn't pass 62c

[dull garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/thermal-paste-mother-board-cpu-gif-17616659

like this

[glossy ravine]

Wait a moment

[grim rock]

ya its better to transfer heat through mobo tbh

[late basalt]

Up to a point iirc. But then you’re dealing with efficiency loss the more air you’re moving for the same surface area

[odd sand]

Oh, Nvidia...

[dreamy chasm]

[tranquil breach]

Yikes...

[odd sand]

The only thing it's good at is sipping power for 1080p high performance

[wraith agate]

That's why I stuck to the 4090

[lone zealot]

Those kites have been in development for years. They are huge, with one about 18000 sq feet being planned and go high enough to catch the constant wind above the ship

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-16/coming-to-an-ocean-near-you-ships-dragged-along-by-giant-kites#xj4y7vzkg

old article

[wraith agate]

Well that's just a sailboat with extra steps

[lone zealot]

yup

[lost python]

is it just me or is google getting progressively worse at giving you decent search results lately?

happens so often that i search for something and google just gives me 3 pages of newer and somewhat related results, but not what i actually want

or just results that are similar to what i search, but not exactly what i search
not to mention the dozens of nonsense on the first page due to ads, sponsors or people abusing SEO to come out on top

[golden stream]

Yes

I stopped using google if for search

Just duckduckgo lel

[astral ridge]

Its definitely not just you. They've expanded their search more and more to try to match your "intent", so more similar-ish results but not the same at all.

They also turned up recency too much.

And its just bad overall.

[rugged holly]

And so the enshittification of everything Google continues

[lone zealot]

Google also moves ads or promoted results to the top

I have been using duckduckgo for years. Its a good search engine

Heck, even Bing is better than google to give an idea how bad its gotten

[lost python]

yeah its ridiculous

like rn i tried to search for the steam sale minigames
and i just got nothing but results for the current summer sale

[inland mauve]

too many people have gamed the algorithm, it's useless now

[glossy ravine]

So the Elongated Muskrat thinks he's playing 5D chess.

How to murder a platform in 1 easy step:

[dreamy chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRAnh7_U6u4

Seems like gen 3 bottlenecking wasn't severe but, it's still there

[wraith agate]

Lmao, I mean, I don't view even 20 posts a day

But I know people who does

[late basalt]

@cerulean talon one more question regarding repurposing a PSU- would it be detrimental to snip unneeded peripheral wires and tape them off to save space?

[cerulean talon]

Nah, that'd be fine, I'd suggest getting some shrink tube, cutting it long, then using that to help seal the ends of the wire.

[late basalt]

got some already, been using it to keep my soldering joints less mobile

if i wasnt working with limited space for this "addition" i'd just leave them in and use adapters as i need to

but the motherboard and cpu plugs basically provides everything i need

at this point i just need to make a bottom board for enclosing it all to keep everything anchored while i fiddle with stuff and make sure the wiring's right

[cerulean talon]

😄

[tiny nebula]

Hi. So I dont know the first thing about computers or gaming ones or whatnot and Im currently saved up to try to buy one (at least one at bare minimum requirements and pricing lol) but IDK where to look. People say build one and I........No.

And I wanna find a prebuilt one but it seems that everyone has a problem with all the ones I look for. So Im just like....what are you guys running 14 on. Or if you can provide any advice I'd appreciate it.

[modest moss]

Best place to start is with questions like;

What's your budget?
What other games or apps are you looking to run?
Do you have specific resolution needs or desires?
Do you need a monitor?
Do you have any existing parts you can reuse?

[tiny nebula]

Budget I'd say around 1.2k-1.4k

14 IDK if I want any current Gen games yet but I felt like it wouldnt hurt for something more powerful. Just in case of stuff like mods or another game in the future I'd want. Dont know specifics yet.

Dont know anything about resolution or if Id care. Dont have a monitor so. I guess Id need one. And no pre existing parts.

Im like. Completely new. To all of this.

[modest moss]

I'm assuming you're in the US and that's USD

[tiny nebula]

Yes sorry lol

[modest moss]

let's see what newegg has, but also could be worth holding off a week or two for amazon prime day

apparently newegg has a big sale starting july 10th, I assume to rival prime day

I'd just sit tight until both those sales are on

[tiny nebula]

Not a problem. Whats Newegg

[modest moss]

newegg is a very big tech retailer

https://www.newegg.com/

[hard drift]

Do you have a microcenter nearby?

If so they have a decent bundle for both intel and amd that get a pretty good start

13700k/7900x ram and mobo

[modest moss]

they don't want to build

[hard drift]

they can build it there for them

and still be within budget

or they have their own prebuilts as well

[modest moss]

oh do microcenter have a build service?

[hard drift]

yes

[modest moss]

good option then yeah

[hard drift]

they have builds, diagnostics, laptop replacements parts and a bunch of other stuff there despite how much i hate them for personal reasons, they're a solid place overall

[tiny nebula]

I'll definitely make that an errand soon lol

[hard drift]

they can also give you good advice on what parts to select most of the time

[umbral moss]

bing sucks, duckduckgo is great

https://tenor.com/view/station19-jack-gibson-should-i-tell-him-tell-him-grey-damon-gif-23723492

[late basalt]

shit i'd love to have a budget of 1200 for a new computer

[paper tusk]

mood (and it's not like i lack the cash either)

[late basalt]

i mean,the only reason my last build only cost me ~450 or so was because my 1050 is still chugging along despite the abuse it's suffering

god help my wallet when it decides it's time to release the smoke

[paper tusk]

did a shits and giggles micro center build and have to go into the grey zone to get it in a 1400 mony budget (no retail copy of win 11)

https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/custom-pc-builder.aspx?load=2c2872b9-c76a-496f-a57d-7f83cce1a3f0

no I don't like the 4070 in that either. edit I don't like the cpu cooler either.

[modest moss]

they'd need a monitor too if that build was for the person from earlier

[paper tusk]

yeah. and mouse/kb

probably better to wait a week for sales

[sly elk]

it's a 1050, it'll never die

I don't think low end GPUs die unless you OC them lol

[grim rock]

computer parts typically function until they become obsolete

you end up replacing them to update, not because they died

[sly walrus]

see everything

[sly elk]

high end GPUs can run pretty dang hot, especially if you push them., and people often overclock them

[grim rock]

yes but also if cooled properly should be fine, and most of the time you get 2-3% improvement, if that

it's not worth pushing for the average consumer

[golden stream]

^

Me: undervolt bc SFF and I care about thermal more than raw power

[wraith agate]

This 4090 I bought is is OC'd by default

I cannot wait to see my new PC in action

[inland mauve]

oh nice

4090 gaming

[wraith agate]

More like 4090 game devving

I can't wait for this hectic month to be over already

Or at least just reach the 16th, because then things will calm down

[sharp star]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-to-bundle-starfield-with-ryzen-7000-cpu-series

[wraith agate]

Bundle a game with an Nvidia card and nobody cares. Bundle it with an AMD CPU and everyone loses their shit.

[dull garnet]

You have to install geforce experience to claim games with Nvidia cards... Ew

[wraith agate]

so it seems my stuff arrives Thursday

[wraith agate]

Cheeky buggers they're

Last Friday when I ordered the remaining stuffs, it said it will arrive on Tuesday

I knew it won't, but I still find it hilarious