technology-discussion

[dreamy chasm]

They took it to the titanic

[spring raven]

The company specifically runs tourist trips to the Titanic's wreck I think

[dreamy chasm]

It doesn't seem like it was built to do so

Oh

Skull emoji

[astral ridge]

5 people

The CEO of the company was the pilot
1 British-Pakistani businessman and his son
A French maritime expert

And..

[dreamy chasm]

I feel bad for the kid

[spring raven]

But there's no way they survived

It's tragic but

Accidents that deep in the ocean

The pressure differential would kill them instantly

[dreamy chasm]

Haven't most expeditions there so far been on remote controlled craft

[astral ridge]

And British aviation guy

[spring raven]

we've been doing manned expeditions to the wreck since the 90s iirc

[astral ridge]

Yeah

[spring raven]

This was specifically a tourist expedition to the wreck

[dreamy chasm]

I see.

[astral ridge]

Yes

Well, idk about the research guy but you know

[spring raven]

Kinda terrifying to look at the company's website about the expedition now

https://oceangate.com/expeditions/titanic-survey-expedition.html

[astral ridge]

“It is not known whether the Titan is at the surface, where a rescue mission would be more straightforward once it is found, or submerged. If it is deep underwater, a rescue plan is still taking shape.”

[glossy ravine]

As much as I'd like to go. "Haha rich people dumb"

This entire thing was a massive red flag and nobody should have gotten in that death trap of a sub.

[astral ridge]

Well, the people who did (other than the kid) have all done this stuff a lot so idk

But yeah seems that way

[spring raven]

People underestimate just how dangerous the ocean can be, especially going that deep

[glossy ravine]

You'd think, for paying a quarter million big ones, they could have a submarine that wouldn't be running off a fucking video game controller.

[astral ridge]

Oh hey one of em went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench

[glossy ravine]

The ocean is a scary, watery void.

[astral ridge]

I assume this guy knows -

“Paul-Henri Nargeolet, a French maritime expert who has been on over 35 dives to the Titanic wreck site.”

“During two decades in the Navy, he was a mine-clearing diver, a deep-sea diver, and a submarine pilot. That experience led him to work for IFREMER, a publicly funded French maritime research institute, where he was in charge of its submarine exploration crafts during early expeditions to the Titanic wreck. His first dive to the Titanic was in July 1987, about two years after the wreck was discovered.”

Maybe

[spring raven]

You know what this reminds me a lot of, is the industry that's popped up around Everest tourism

[astral ridge]

Do people still do Everest much?

[glossy ravine]

Like. The ocean is a horrible way to go out.

[spring raven]

There's a lot of rich people with more money than sense and with minimal climbing skills who hire companies that will get them to the top of Everest

[astral ridge]

HOW

Maybe this has changed a lot since I knew about it

[spring raven]

And then they get into trouble and either get themselves killed or get other people killed in attempts to rescue them

[glossy ravine]

Yeah, people perishing on the climb is expected.

[spring raven]

Rich people.

[astral ridge]

That doesn’t make it possible

Hmm

Last I knew they still couldn’t get any of the many, many bodies out

[glossy ravine]

Hell, they are used as guideposts

[spring raven]

Sure it does. Companies crop up specifically to cater to them.

[astral ridge]

Which personally once I knew that I was like - “never’

[spring raven]

It happens all the time.

Everest is extremely commercialized.

[astral ridge]

Must not be as hard as I thought

Ohhh

Wait I think I know what you are talking about now

[spring raven]

See, that's the mindset that leads to people dying on the climb.

"must not be too hard, this company says they can get me up there even as a novice climber"

[glossy ravine]

Like. The climb to Top Everest is lethal. Especially nearing the top where air is so thin that you need oxygen tanks/masks

[astral ridge]

For local logistics companies and the government of Nepal, Everest is big business. A typical spot on a commercial team costs anywhere from $40,000 to $100,000 depending on the level of service and the expertise of the outfitter.

[astral ridge]

No, you misunderstand what I meant

I meant I thought it was too hard for someone to baby someone else through it

Apparently - it is not

[spring raven]

Oh haha

yeah it's a massive business both for the local government and for companies who want to take advantage of rich thrill seekers

Feels a lot like the Titanic thing

[astral ridge]

Oh wow - it takes months to climb

Yeah sorry I was thinking you meant like -

“They can just fly em up to the top now” or something

Also til it has a 1.2% fatality rate

[spring raven]

Winds too strong and air too thin to really do that tbh

[minor hollow]

they should skydive onto everest

[spring raven]

Helicopters have a lot of trouble operating at that altitude

[minor hollow]

with a snowboard

but yeah life is so unsustainable at the top of everest that the bodies don't even really decompose

they just mummify

[spring raven]

yep, what Fade said earlier about using dead bodies as signposts is 100% accurate

It's too dangerous to try to recover them

[minor hollow]

they should fulton recovery them

ala metal gear

lmao

but yeah i had my exposure. i was a pretty avid boulderer before suffering a knee injury

but in bouldering gyms

then some of my friends did outdoors bouldering

i went with them a few times

hated it

then like, 2 months after they started, one of them missed the crashpad and shattered his wrist

only nice, comfy padded indoor areas for me

if that makes me soft, so be it

[dreamy chasm]

People use game controllers to control military equipment all the time

I don't think this is the issue here lol

[minor hollow]

yeah but this is a cheap one

imagine dying because the guy tasked on air support trying to drone strike the people ambushing you had a madcatz

[dreamy chasm]

That wasn't the point they were making

[spring raven]

I feel like it's indicative of the approach this company took

Planning an expedition to one of the most dangerous places on the planet? Sure, let's use a $40 video game controller. What could go wrong?

[minor hollow]

well i would say that it feels very unlikely that the submersible was designed around the controller as well

there's no way it was the ideal control method

[spring raven]

spend more money on better equipment? Why would we do that? It would cut into our profits!

[golden stream]

Eh it has 2 facets here
One is: why bother creating a custom nani tf control scheme for just ONE thing when there is on-the-shelf solution
Second is: why le logitech

[astral ridge]

I mean, I agree with you.

But the CEO, it’s his company. He was on it.

So hopefully he thought I was safe enough (or he was suicidal)

(Or an idiot)

[spring raven]

Probably this

[astral ridge]

Or, who knows.

I’m sure we will find out eventually what happened

[minor hollow]

i don't think this was an off the shelf solution

i think this was an off the shelf partial solution

shoehorned into being the off the shelf solution

[golden stream]

Prob likely they have a deal w logi then logi be like "f control scheme here controller, take it else we dip"

[minor hollow]

why would logi make a deal with them

[golden stream]

The layout is nice tho but man it is STIFF

[minor hollow]

they have zero presence

[golden stream]

shrug

Who know

[minor hollow]

there's no gain from "we're partnered with this company that takes 20 customers a year"

anyone seeing that ad would be "literally who"

[golden stream]

Eh ngl I kinda wander that, even their components aren't made in US

[minor hollow]

i mean for logitech

what's the gain

[astral ridge]

….

Is this Logitech thing from like, real news or social media news

[sly elk]

Imagine if the CEO saw the news about the logitech controller and was like

and then quit

[minor hollow]

there's an image of the ceo of the sub company holding a logitech controller inside the sub

[sly elk]

I mean that's exactly what it is

a minimum viable sumarine

[minor hollow]

judging by the ex employee

sounds like it wasnt minimally viable

[sly elk]

some of the time it works all of the time

[astral ridge]

Yep it’s a controller

[sly elk]

now they must iterate

and make a sub that doesn't kill its occupants

(that is some incredibly dark humor, I'm sorry)

[minor hollow]

trial and error baby

[sly elk]

I feel like the controller was the least of their problems

[minor hollow]

most likely yes

[sly elk]

was it a problem? Yes sure

[minor hollow]

controller isn't gonna make you spring a leak

[astral ridge]

Yeah, lots of things use controllers anyway

[sly elk]

was it a good indicator that their submarine was slapdash at best? also yes

[spring raven]

yeah there were bigger issues for sure

[sly elk]

but you could solve the "controller might fail" bit by just keeping a spare

all I know is when it comes to safety critical stuff, even if you do everything right sometimes the stars align and people get killed... so it's less surprising that someone did a slapdash job and people might be getting killed 😦

iirc the navy does use xbox controllers for submarine periscopes

but that's generally not a life-or-death tool

[astral ridge]

since lots of stuff, even military uses game controllers.

I should start a business that just takes controllers, puts them in a tougher looking shell, and charge $15,000 each for “military/industrial advanced tactical control inputs”

[sly elk]

they probably already do that

[minor hollow]

so toughbook

for controllers?

[astral ridge]

Yeah!

[minor hollow]

they'll still get stick drift

lmao

[late basalt]

Just saw this, but nah, it’s a problem relating to how underpowered the laser head actually is for the material. A heat sink material wouldn’t help if the laser doesnt have enough penetration power in the first place tbh. To put it in perspective, the amount of time it took to burn out that bookmark is long enough that i could have probably patterned out 10-20 of them with “guide lines” for manually cutting them out

[sly elk]

the $15,000 controller is made on a contract that they must maintain service parts forever and also they keep track of the origin of every screw, drop of solder, etc from the origin, and keep those records forever

[odd sand]

This is more damning than the controller memes bc ultimately if it performs to standard HID input it's fine. And probably not the only method of control. Why is there not an emergency transponder on it, preferably one that turns on automatically after X amount of time lacking pressing a "delay" button in case people are incapacitated?

[minor hollow]

yeah the problem that they don't know where it is is massive

it sounds like they went bare minimum on everything

cut a lot of corners for redundancies/tolerances

[astral ridge]

Hmm idk how that works with submersibles.

It’s mother ship lost contact about an hour and a half after it started

[sly elk]

yep

which is CRAZY

I remember way back when they did the documentaries

they used a submarmine on a tether

why weren't they doing something like that here?

[late basalt]

Probably hit crush depth and went pop

[odd sand]

An emergency transponder would have its own internal battery

[late basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/tugce-tuğçe-gif-19478399

[minor hollow]

whenever you hear about these things you find out they cheaped out somewhere

[astral ridge]

I’m still not convinced the guy cut THAT many corners on his own sub

[odd sand]

What crush depth? They were on the bottom of the ocean with the shipwreck...

[sly elk]

ugh

[astral ridge]

Maybe but, well we will find out (or not)

[sly elk]

yea it's possible the ballast tank malfunctioned and they're stuck down below

[minor hollow]

they have to be out of air by now though right?

[late basalt]

And fwiw, most of those submersibles dont carry a lot of oxygen, so odds are it’s a recovery, not rescue, at this point

If ever

[odd sand]

The reason military subs have a much shallower operating depth is they have a much larger internal volume to them. These subs work bc they're like 12-18" thick with an internal volume of like 30sqft or less or something

[lone zealot]

I am not holding out hope for that sub. If it is the worst case scenario and there was a hull breach then there would be nothing left. If the hull is fine and that sub cannot go back up to the surface there are no rescue options. Most rescue subs max out at 1000m

[astral ridge]

What kind of transponder does something like that use

[minor hollow]

getting kursk vibes

[sly elk]

The submersible had a four-day oxygen supply when it put to sea around 6 a.m. Sunday, according to David Concannon, an adviser to OceanGate Expeditions, which oversaw the mission.

[astral ridge]

They have another 40 hours

Assuming that didn’t break of course

[minor hollow]

assuming all tanks were full

[lone zealot]

@astral ridge It would be a standard transpoder that all naval ship have. Problem is that its so deep at the titantic the radio signal would be lost

[minor hollow]

assuming no one is panicking and consuming air at a higher rate due to stress

[late basalt]

Yea, but if there’s any fitting faults present at all, those depths water would easily infiltrate

[sly elk]

I wonder if they give a briefing about all these thigns

[late basalt]

Not quite, actually

[astral ridge]

Oh?

[late basalt]

It would be marine-specialty

Look up the guy that did the Seven Deeps excursion

[odd sand]

It would be a sonar pulse

[minor hollow]

seven deeps?

[late basalt]

He used several “drop anchors” at each spot to triangulate where the deepest points would be iirc

[minor hollow]

i've never heard of that

i only heard of the 5 deeps

where can i look it up

[odd sand]

Most likely there was either an electrical failure and its sitting down there like a rock or a material defect and it's a crushed can atm.

[late basalt]

Yea, it was the 5 Deeps one

[lone zealot]

@late basalt That is assuming that the builder didn't cheap out, but yeah you are correct

[minor hollow]

is it the guy with the naval outfit

[late basalt]

Electrical failure doesnt provide much hope of survival either tbh

[lone zealot]

Electrical failure can mean loss of life support if there is no battery backup

[minor hollow]

electrical failure = no air

[late basalt]

They’d be able to break a valve for air

[odd sand]

In an ideal world you have a manual ballast release that given systems failure you could just drop that and float to the surface over X number of hours. But even if they had that, lacking an emergency transponder, you're a fleck of sand on the surface of the ocean

[late basalt]

heat is the issue

[lone zealot]

oh yeah, its frigging cold at that depth

[minor hollow]

in an ideal world you'd have a rescue transponder for that in addition to a maritime transponder

[late basalt]

Even if everything was operating correctly, if the heaters eat shit, you’re going to die if you dont drop your weights ASAP

[minor hollow]

but redundancies aren't cheap

[late basalt]

A rescue wouldn’t come in time

[odd sand]

Most people lost overboard in the open ocean are never found. Those that are often say the rescuers circled very near them numerous times before finding them.

[minor hollow]

whoops wrong response

[late basalt]

You’d die of hypothermia before then

[odd sand]

I mean, it's cold but could be a lot worse: It can only be 33F/0.5C or something

[late basalt]

Biggest reason life jackets and lifeboats are hivis colors now

Well sure, just means you wouldn’t freeze to death

[lone zealot]

You know, its too bad that the Alvin cannot be sent out in time to help look

[odd sand]

With how popular a dive it is yeah, I'm surprised there are no other DSVs available

[minor hollow]

i didn't realize how crazy the 5 deeps guy was

i looked him up

he's
dived the deepest point in each of the five oceans
first person to dive challenger deep/mariana trench more htan once (15 times)
climbed the highest mountain on every continent
visited the north & south poles

[astral ridge]

Wow

[odd sand]

Well if you got the cash to hire a 2nd porter to carry nothing but extra oxygen tanks to make sure you don't die standing in line on the way down

[minor hollow]

it's still pretty wild even if you're banking on the work of the sherpas

[odd sand]

Even if I had the money at this point, I wouldn't bother. It's so commercialized now, and most of the people dying are simply bc they get stuck in TRAFFIC

[sly elk]

i just realized i accidentally started a parallel conversation on this in #not-ffxiv-discussion lol

[sharp star]

that deathtrap really is a hot topic huh

[sharp star]

https://twitter.com/TodaysSteals/status/1671342180366000129 iykyk

Today's Steals (@TodaysSteals)

Logitech Wired Gamepad Controller only $14.99 (40% OFF)

SHOP HERE: https://t.co/IDpFkQUGMz

Twitter · Jun 21, 2023, 2:20 AM

[austere socket]

challenge: use a mainstream OS for a month (impossible)

[dreamy chasm]

I've not veered off from w10

[astral ridge]

Since I’m actually interested in this, moving from shitposts

Copyright and art an ai are - complex and undecided legally in most countries. At least the ones I know of.

Copying art and using it commercially is often copyright infringement.

Examining it and making something new from it is not.

My guess is ai “art” will adjust to meet whatever court cases and laws come, etc

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/gilgamesh-fate-laugh-gif-6998296

forced

so 50 minutes of making me want to slap someone? 😄

[dusky magnet]

Images you can hear

[late basalt]

"making something new" from it strongly depends tbh

[sly walrus]

is that fuckin accelerator

[sly elk]

no it's gilgamesh

[sly walrus]

ah

is he doing the iori laugh because he plays king of fighters

[dusky magnet]

https://youtu.be/nxzX3tyHHMg

[sly elk]

like I use all sorts of OSes, and I've used Mac OS as a daily driver since 2001 😄

10.0.4 😄

the idea that someone has their head so firmly up their butt that they consider it a forceful act to use a Mac for a month

[sly walrus]

and people wonder why the console wars are still going

[astral ridge]

They explain it better than me -

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/04/how-we-think-about-copyright-and-ai-art-0

(Of course that’s just one lawsuit, and it’s a pretty bad one)

[austere socket]

honestly the only challenge I can imagine is when you want to play a game

apart from that, everything seems to be a web app these days

[sly elk]

completely ignoring that, there's people who are very intolerant about differences like, how the minimize/maximize works, how command vs ctrl works

how programs don't necessarily exit when you close the only window open

the little naunces in how drag & drop differ

(on macos, if you drag a file on top of a folder, it'll pop open a finder window of that folder, and if you hover over another folder in the folder, it'll open that one.. etc.. windows doesn't do that)

my favorite is the whole

windows LOVES doing window snapping stuff

macos doesn't do that

windows is hardcore on wizards and hand holding

macos used to do none of that

i miss that about the older versions of OS X - they completely left you alone

they didn't nag you about OS updates or software updates or whatever

they didn't make you sign up for icloud or complain about icloud being low

the save dialog didn't act all weird and grumpy like it has for the past 10 years or so ><

it was particular jarring to compare windows xp to early mac os x

[astral ridge]

I kinda feel like everything has gotten less user friendly

[sly elk]

windows XP was so in your face that when you plugged in a USB device it would

1. play a sound
2. tell you that you plugged in a device
3. tell you that it was installing software for the device
4. tell you whether that succeeded or failed.
   (IIRC it'd steal focus every single time, too)

I've always found installing software on windows to be infuriating because the software installers would pop a new window every 5 seconds and steal focus doing it

in fact a lot of software on windows steals focus

Macs used to never do that, but Apple doesn't care anymore

now if I get a phone call, that stupid notification steals focus ;_;

[austere socket]

I always find that weird about macos, how it interprets "maximise" as "slide onto a new virtual desktop"

[sly elk]

(stealing focus == when you're typing and a new window pops open and all the keystrokes go to the new window)

[austere socket]

I just wanna make smol window beeg

[sly elk]

I HATE THAT

the mac version is to double click the title bar

same as the windows version lol

[austere socket]

ah, the hidden button

I'll remember that next time I encounter my 1 weekly macbook

[sly elk]

back in the days

that button just made the window bigger, but not necessarily such that it took up the whole screen

[austere socket]

win11 has gotten insanely smooth about window snapping tho, better than I thought windows would ever get

[sly elk]

yea this is where

I could go on an unhinged rant about windows 11

[austere socket]

oh you're more than welcome

[sly elk]

I feel like I can't move a window around at all without it trying to maximize it or snap it

and these stupid things pop up everywhere

and this stupid thing

i bet there's a way to turn em off lol

[astral ridge]

What is that

[austere socket]

yeah they appear when you hover over maximise or go anywhere near an edge

[sly elk]

phew.

-turns it all off-

also this one

whoever invented that one

[austere socket]

it's like that game where you move the loop around the wire without touching the metal, lol

[sly elk]

if I could become CEO for the day I'd fire anyone who ever owrked on that feature

but at least they gave it an actual setting now

it used to be a registry hack to turn it off and it'd randomly turn back on after an OS update

[austere socket]

oh kyanche, I know something that you probably love about win11

[sly elk]

ahhh this is so nice, no more window snapping

I can use my computer like it's 2001 again ^_^

[austere socket]

the forced taskbar combining

[sly elk]

lol 😄

hey I'm used to macs, so that one never bugged me

I feel for the people who like the full size taskbar buttons with the window titles though

[austere socket]

true, but macs handle returning to a multi-window app much better

[sly elk]

the funny thing is, making new options while keeping the old ones unchanged was a MS trademark

idk why they suddenly gave that up

[austere socket]

you can just click the dock icon once

[austere socket]

apple inspiration ig

[sly elk]

but yea IDK especially these days with screens being so big, idk why anyone would maximize things

i guess on laptops maybe

[austere socket]

laptops!

[sly elk]

but I always felt like having some overlap was easier on my bird brain

context switches throw me off

especially full screen ones

[austere socket]

I could use 100% scaling on my lappy if I wanted, but. my boomer eyes

[sly elk]

I sadly learned I can't use 'spaces' lol

or multiple 'desktops'

it causes me to blank out every time >>

[austere socket]

lol, I tried using them on my laptop for a while

since they're basically a way to emulate multiple monitors

it falls apart when you're using a browser that supports workspaces tho

cuz you keep getting the desktops mixed up

https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-last-active-click-taskbar

[sly elk]

lol

[austere socket]

this is a beautiful reg hack I discovered today ✨

[sly elk]

what I used to do at work when I needed a gazillion windows open at once

was.. just have more monitors

I used to write the software they used in the mission ops rooms

[austere socket]

it really is the best solution, yeah

[sly elk]

they had 4 screens at their tables so I asked for 4 at my desk and got it lol

[austere socket]

4???

you could KVM two multi-monitor OS's with that

[sly elk]

yeah in a 2x2 config but this was idk 6 years ago or so? maybe 7?

it's a long story but I pretty easily filled the screens up lol

[austere socket]

I'm imagining seeing someone use window snapping on that many screens

I think my monocle would fall into my coffee

unless they're all like, powershell windows. that would be hacker as hell

[sly elk]

naaah

programs with many custom windows lol

sometimes they use browser front ends

there's always stuff like this too

https://github.com/nasa/openmct

[austere socket]

whoa, you can control your mars lander on your phone now?

[sly elk]

LOL

[austere socket]

kerbal space moment

[sly elk]

somebody did it

[austere socket]

"ah heck I flicked the thrust too hard"

I actually wonder how long it'll be before the moon becomes a zone certified for civilian use

or will it just be kept science-only like antarctica?

[sly elk]

man I can't find any examples off the top of my head

just things for controlling drones lol

[austere socket]

I guess you could theoretically use those to control a drone at sub-orbital altitude

[sly elk]

oh well lol

you generally don't do that lol

[austere socket]

yeah, I think escape velocity would be an issue

[sly elk]

oh dangit i got paint on my arm earlier.

oh well. I'm done painting foam balls hahaha

[austere socket]

you making a cosplay kyanche?

[sly elk]

yesss

[austere socket]

nailed it

[void dove]

i fucking hate this, and fortunately, Microsoft is adding it back in to Win11, as an option you can turn off... Soon.TM

i refuse to update my personal computers before this is a thing

dont really have a choice for my work computer though 😦

[sly elk]

i spend more time on my work computer during the weekdays >>

[dreamy chasm]

I'm using w10 until it dies

I stuck with w7 until I literally couldn't play some games

[void dove]

i stuck wiht W7 until support was dropped

by then 10 was in a pretty good state

unless i need something from the new OS's, i generally wait until the old one starts running out of support

since by then the new one has been out for years.

[burnt swallow]

Me: turns on PC
PC: goes all ASCII mode with multiple BSODs on one screen

What in the mother of fuck

[paper tusk]

sounds about as fun as what's now my backup desktop (dell) that went full hardware failure, only to be revived like nothing happened after reseatting the ram

(it's now a dumping grounds for my old cap card. might get a different sound card to have front ports working again with decent sound)

[dreamy chasm]

I can't believe this existed

[sly walrus]

does it fold out or are you supposed to play it like that

[dreamy chasm]

it has a bunch of attachments

this can't be comfortable

[sly walrus]

that hurts to look at

[sharp star]

now imagine if that controlled a submarine

[glossy ravine]

I thought that was a mask or NVG for a moment

[drifting knot]

Anyone know why my monitors turn off and PC fans get extremely loud? The PC stays on.

This happens occasionally

[astral ridge]

What kind of PC? Might be a power supply issue

[drifting knot]

One sec. Not home at the moment, but I’ll see if my pc part picker list is still saved

[glossy ravine]

Also. Is this a new issue? How long have you had your pc?

[drifting knot]

It started happening recently yes. I built it around this March or April

[modest moss]

Could be a gpu driver crashing, is it resolved with a reboot?

[astral ridge]

Could be gpu overheating too…. (edited for clarity)

[drifting knot]

When I completely turn it off and back on, it’s usually fine. Seems to happen when I start playing games

[modest moss]

Yeah overheating is possible too

[drifting knot]

I did try launching a game and just letting it sit there while watching temps. Everything looks normal

[modest moss]

First thing I'd try is drivers though

!faq ddu

[opal panther]

How to do a clean reinstall of your drivers

Step 1: Download Device Driver Uninstaller.

Step 2: Download the newest driver from your graphics card manufacturers website: AMD and/or Nvidia.

Step 3: Disconnect your internet and restart your PC in safe mode.

Step 4: Run Device Driver Uninstaller and click on 'Clean and Restart' after you select your device type and GPU.

Step 5: After the PC restarts and you are disconnected from the internet, install the drivers you downloaded from Step 2.

Step 6: After you install them, restart your PC one final time and reconnect your internet.

[astral ridge]

Yeah make sure everything is up to date first

[modest moss]

Would do that

Have you checked event viewer for errors?

[drifting knot]

I haven’t no. I would have to go look whenever I return home

[astral ridge]

Ok

[modest moss]

That makes most sense, try that ddu faq process and check event viewer when you can and report back

[drifting knot]

Will do. Thank you for the suggestions

[modest moss]

It could also be as simple as a gpu power cable isn't fully seated

Power can do funky things

[glossy ravine]

^

[drifting knot]

Yea it caught me off guard when it first happened

[paper tusk]

yeah sounds like a total driver crash. if it happens again would try unplugging a usb device to see if everything else is borked too (listening for disconnect notification)

if nothing happens would lean towards either power delivery issue or hardware failure

also try pressing Win + Ctrl + Shift + B (to reset the graphics driver)

[cerulean talon]

I have 7 hours of meetings between the next 2 work days. ;.;

Losing a full day of work to meetings just feels badman.

[paper tusk]

:<

[potent arrow]

@cerulean talon

Surely this cannot go wrong

[cerulean talon]

I use 10ft extensions all over the place for USB.

Also, there's some hope for you in the future! I CLEANED OFF TWO DESKS!.

Granted, one of them is now host to the X1C, but yanno, there's hope.

[potent arrow]

_>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Im moving my pc to my server room

going to run the cables directly : P

Less shit on my desk tbh

[odd sand]

Going to do the fiberoptic USB or w/e like Linus uses?

[potent arrow]

no

That shit is too expensive lol

Its only 32Ft, if I have issues I will use a signal booster

I dont watch linus, but if its less then like 20M should be fine without fiber

[cerulean talon]

More fiber. nods

[lone zealot]

Afternoon

Fiber keeps your data regular

[cerulean talon]

True! Keeps the tubes shiny and clear.

[glossy ravine]

Finally. My replacement headset.

[late basalt]

@cerulean talon

[potent arrow]

FUCK

I did it again

[lone zealot]

fucking kangaroos

How do the Gaterons compare to Cherries, btw?

[potent arrow]

I dont like either

just trying them out 😛

but in seriousness some ar ok

I dont like cherry when it comes to selection

[lone zealot]

Well, in that case, which switches do you recommend? I have a Ducky One 3 that came with Cherry Reds, but I think I want something stiiffer and quieter.

[potent arrow]

Uh

any of those

wait why did my message not send

Neapolitans, Akko Lavenders, U4T or U4T silents or baby kangaroos

Those are my go too

baby kangaroos I get for my friends lol

because they dont lube them

[lone zealot]

luging switches sound like a small pain tbh

[wraith agate]

That shit costs tens of thousands of dollars even on low end, so he should be grateful

[late basalt]

Lol no they don’t

You can get them for under $50

[wraith agate]

I don't mean the cheap Chinese ones

Like proper switches

Aka cisco

[late basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-as-hell-so-hilarious-gif-20966520

[wraith agate]

If that was a joke, it wasn't very funny

[sly elk]

yea but we're talking about used crappy ones from ebay

[wraith agate]

I wasn't paying attention to the rest of the convo

[dreamy chasm]

I need to find a usb hub that isn't dogshit

I'm out of ports

[paper tusk]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y5VWLDB?th=1 I have this, it's been good

charge port is a bit dumb but does the job

[dreamy chasm]

I just need one that doesn't drop signal if I have mice plugged into it

[potent arrow]

@dreamy chasm not exactly a hub hub but look

This one works well with an interface

[dreamy chasm]

Interesting

[dreamy chasm]

Aren't I just going to end up wasting the switching part of this if I use it, though

[dreamy chasm]

@sly elk It's here

Took me way too long to calibrate the colors to (somewhat) match my 2nd

[potent arrow]

Yes, lmfao but I was just bringing it up because I knew it can handle the interface

[dreamy chasm]

Ah

Fair

[potent arrow]

I mostly use it to switch between my laptop and PC lmfao

Also your wallpaper is pretty

And I just wanna say

[dreamy chasm]

Also, LMAO

That's about as big as mine is

[sharp harbor]

🐴

[dreamy chasm]

This isn't half bad, actually

[void dove]

get more mods 😛

[dull garnet]

all of them are cocks

[odd sand]

Reskins everything as subligars

[tawdry marten]

hey so for some reason my game is currently running at 20 frames and I genuinely have no idea why, any ideas?

[glossy ravine]

1. Do you have anything else open?

2. Check Task Manager.

[tawdry marten]

besides discord no, but I always have discord open while playing ffxiv and I didnt have any issues before this

[tawdry marten]

how much percent of my cpu should it be taking up?

[odd sand]

If you're playing on a laptop, sometimes it uses the integrated graphics on accident. Try to force 3D to be used in nvidia control panel for FF14 in that case

[tawdry marten]

I have figured out the issue

thanks for your time though

my laptop needed to be plugged in

[odd sand]

Oh, a power profile then. You can adjust those as well if you do want to run at max performance on battery

[tawdry marten]

eh its fine, thank you though

[glossy ravine]

Here's hoping this doesn't break within 6 months...

[odd sand]

Turtle Beach is okay enough. Not Skullcandy tier at least

[modest moss]

turtle beach have been around forever, I bought their budget headsets for my kids and they're fine

[odd sand]

Just bc something has been around forever doesn't mean it was ever good or still good. Look at Westinghouse TVs for example heh

[modest moss]

I mean, I didn't say good, I said fine

[odd sand]

Yep. They're in the Comfortably Mid Tier

[dull garnet]

*low

[dreamy chasm]

I just use iems

If the cables break I can just replace them for 10 bucks

[sly elk]

i've never seen a pair of headphones last my brother more than 6 months lol

i mean he's still using the v-modas he bought in 9/2021 but they're a taped together semi-broken mess

and he also has a pair of beats solo that .. I made him buy applecare for those because he broke the first pair, and I think the second one is also partially broken somehow 😄

[dull garnet]

this is why you buy sennheiser/beyer

[odd sand]

I had a pair of like $60 Sony ones with a plastic reflex hinge on them I thought would break in less than a year, but they withstood tons of abuse actually, including numerous cases of stepping on or tripping over the cord etc. Lasted me a good 5 years

[modest moss]

my Sony headphones are still trucking on after 11 years

MDRXB500

so good

[odd sand]

Here we go, this is the one: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,fit=scale-down,width=500,quality=95/https://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images500x500/Sony_MDRXD300_MDR_XD300_Closed_Back_1232887976_376834.jpg

Apparently they were $40 even

[sly elk]

all I can say is my beyer dt880 survived me throwing them on the floor once lol

no abuse otherwise though, just use

[solid panther]

What the actual fuck is this asinine change to intel branding?

"The most important changes include dropping the 'i' from the naming scheme and opting for a more straightforward Core 3, 5, and 7 branding structure for Intel's mainstream processors. The other notable inclusion, which is now officially confirmed, is that Intel will bifurcate the Core brand a bit and place its premium client products in their own category, using the new Ultra moniker."

Thats stupid as shit

They're also dropping a number place

[odd sand]

Except it's not straightforward bc they're adding the words Ultra and Processor

Core 9 Processor Ultra 1390K

Rolls off the tongue so much better than the old way!

[void dove]

its stupid, everyone in the tech space knows its stupid.
its basically making Intels sound like generic tech names for shit.
like motherboards have been for years.
add ultra, and extreme to the names, yay, you are SO innovative and stand out from the crowd..... /s

fucking marketing morons trying to justify their job

[odd sand]

I think they intentionally want to muddy the waters bc somehow that helps in selling shit or upselling or something if the average person doesn't know wtf they're looking at.

[void dove]

wouldn't be surprised, at least it will be entertaining when GN makes fun of it in every new CPU review 😛

[sly elk]

well let's think about this important bit of trivia, my friend. The next time you buy an intel Core 9 Processor Ultra 1390K, $2 of that purchase will be going to the dude who got paid multiple millions to come up with that idea.

[lone zealot]

INtel hasn't innovated in the CPU market in years

[sly elk]

I mean, they've got at least a decade or two of tiny incremental improvements

they also outsourced everything

[lone zealot]

Well, that's something, but tiny improvements are not going to drive CPU sales

[sly elk]

and haven't put any effort whatsoever into harvesting new engineering talent in the US

meanwhile we have to watch TSMC acting all cocky about their Arizona plant

-shudder-

like if this is the best we can do

drag some company here

to call americans stupid, lazy, and entitled

[lone zealot]

AZ is not a good place for a chip fab. Not enough water

[sly elk]

I mean never mind all the business apple and amd and others bring them and all that sweet sweet american money

for them it's a dick measuring contest

oh speaking of american companies wait

[lone zealot]

of course we had to bring someone in outside from the US. We have been doing that since the 80s. There's no one left with the needed knowledge

[sly elk]

ford's bringing back the taurus?

[lone zealot]

nice. I had a taurus. It was a nice little car

[sly elk]

there's nobody with the needed knowledge because the only thing that has a worse career reputation is the video game industry

and people with the knowledge do exist

people with the brains exist

they just don't wanna work 18 hour shifts, ya know?

[lone zealot]

OH, BTW. if anyone is using Arch, kernel 6.3.9 is out. It was pushed to my OS just now

[sly elk]

if you're smart enough to do that kinda work you can make bank doing other things

[lone zealot]

yup

no way I am spending 12+ hours in a factory

I have done 12 hours shifts. They drain your soul

so, a bit of a bummer that FFXVI won't come out on PC for a year

[sly elk]

pft that's great news for sony

[golden stream]

But we will know that PC edition is playable or not major bug mess like Automata/XV

[sly elk]

suddenly a bunch of people are gonna buy a $400-500 brick

to run a game they could run on their pc

[golden stream]

Eh ngl the stigma of huge boxed PC and its setup......

me w le deck and sff one kekw

[lone zealot]

yeah, its a boost for Sony.

[dreamy chasm]

It's a brick that plays bluray

tbh

It's okay value if you just want a console that plays bluray

but there's a lot of asterisks

[dull garnet]

I thought XV ran pretty well, but required a beefy system?

Tbh I didn't like XV so I'm hesitant about XVI. When FF7 Rebirth hits I'll probably grab a PS5 tho lol

Although I have 100s of games to play, so could just play those until pc release

[paper tusk]

15 tried to load the world all at once so that kinda didn't go well with anyone used to regular programming (async loading)

[lone zealot]

Here's hoping that FFXVI uses a streaming loading method

[umbral moss]

I mean, I make my money selling the machines that do the processing to the wageslaves very happy employees who work in the semiconductor fabs

[lost python]

Find the issue about this absolute piece of shit

[lost python]

exactly

[lone zealot]

Afternoon

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Mutter-Wayland-Gaming-No-Block

nice to see gnome actually doing something for its users

[umbral moss]

The Internet has been carved into corporate fiefdoms, fiefdoms most people now see as some kind of natural order. It wasn't like this.

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[dreamy chasm]

Are people actually dumb?

Miners generally don't rack their cards in a way that puts strain in the specific part that the cards are cracking

Or, are they referring to something else

[cerulean talon]

The cracking GPU die was due to water infiltration to the chip.

Then when it was heated post-storage it expanded and blew.

AKA: Miners don't temp-control HW they're not using xD

[inland mauve]

if it was a miner worth their salt, they knew to undervolt the GPU

you get the best hash/kwh ratio if you don't run your mining rig at full capacity

[dreamy chasm]

Ah, right

Pretty sure I've seen some people wash gpus with water ig

[dull garnet]

that's when you hesitate to buy used video cards from aliexpress

[late basalt]

tfw you cant figure out where you left your terminal crimps at, so you just buy another cheap pair from HF

[late basalt]

ok, i've got another dumb question. if i tie in the anode and cathode of an led to the same point on a wire, is that going to work as a parallel circuit, or not at all?

[sly elk]

If you connect the anode and cathode at the same point you won't get anything because there's no difference between potential. The electricity will take the path of least resistance, which is the piece of wire that they're touching.

now if you broke that parallel path or stuck a resistor or something on it, things change

this would work

[late basalt]

Totally forgot about the question. The idea would be to to have an indicator led (with appropriate resistor) on 3 different 12v branches that would show when power is active on those branches. Guess it’s just easier to tie them off to their own ground rather than try to keep them tied in

Good thing i have some 24awg strand lying around for it

[grim rock]

Put the led in series with the branch

[sly elk]

^

if you were able to stick it on the wire you can just break the wire at the led

[grim rock]

You just need to make sure you're not burning it out

[late basalt]

Considering it’s on a 12v circuit, guaranteed to burn them out

Especially since at least two branches are going to be pulling at least 2-3 amps

[grim rock]

Not with the appropriate resistor, as you mentioned

[late basalt]

Yea, but then what’s the point of using it as an indicator? I’d be killing the voltage down the branch

That’s why i was thinking parallel, not series

[grim rock]

The thing is though

Parallel circuits can work independently. You can have an open in one path and it won't affect the other

What are you trying to do with the circuit exactly?

[late basalt]

Control board, driver board, and tool head, all of which are 12v and 500mA-3A

[dreamy chasm]

Ebay's still fine if you're careful

Most cards with problems end up having the issues right when you get them

[sick portal]

i deleted ff14 and the files but my storage hasnt free'd up

[wraith agate]

Did you use mods or something?

[dreamy chasm]

I need to go repaste this 6700xt

It's reaching 100c junct after an overclock

[dull garnet]

[dull garnet]

my ssd idles 15c hotter than my 4070 lol

piece of shit kioxia

you can get 1TB Samsung 980 (non Pro) for £40 now

[dreamy chasm]

I just have a tiny ass case with non optimal airflow, I think

Also, this card probably hasn't been repasted in years

[dreamy chasm]

https://twitter.com/pizzalad22/status/1672439138291679234 the only good thing ai's made so far

PizzaLad22 (@pizzalad22)

MR KRABS JUST SANG THE ENTIRE BALLIN SONG ON AI SPONGE

WHAT IS HAPPENING

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[grim rock]

Are all 3 always hot?

[late basalt]

provided the respective toggle switch is on, yes

[grim rock]

So if you have a switch, why do you need an LED?

[late basalt]

latching push buttons are cheaper than toggle switches

[grim rock]

An LED in parallel will work, just make sure you put a high resistance value in that circuit and connect it after the switch so it's split from the main circuit

[grim rock]

Excuse the scuffed drawing but something like this. Your blocks are the loads you have

[celest violet]

Is the factory packaging enough protection for shipping a gpu out? Obviously still gonna put it inside another box for labels

[lost python]

depends on the box

or manufacturer rather, because some just put their GPUs "on display" inside the box so they have absolutely no protection from the top

given how expensive GPUs have become, i really wouldn't save on the scrap paper to pad the box

[celest violet]

It's got a lot of foam padding inside the manufacturer box

Cause the gpu has an aio built in

[modest moss]

honestly depends on the courier too

[grim rock]

I can't speak for other manufacturers, but nvidia's founders is good enough, I'd still add some padding you may have from amazon deliveries. Also declare cost of the package and insure it

https://www.usps.com/ship/insurance-extra-services.htm

[dreamy chasm]

Doesn't hurt to ship it in a slightly bigger box with padding

[modest moss]

of course you bought overkill

that's you

[dreamy chasm]

When do you not buy overkill, ice

[modest moss]

oh you got a job?

congrats

disney one of them?

or you can't talk about either?

nice nice

from shady MS shill to disney princess

make yourself indespensible and then hit me up with free eurodisney trip

[dreamy chasm]

Congrats

[modest moss]

at least you'll be able to afford your xiv sub now lol

[dreamy chasm]

Sounds like you're hosting a lot

[wraith agate]

I wish I could visit Disneyland in the European Commonwealth

[modest moss]

this is all just to wfh secure, not host anything I bet

companies like disney definitely wouldn't appreciate leaks due to a sloppy remote contractor

[wraith agate]

Can you make them bring back paper fastpasses?

[modest moss]

free disney+ for all tech regulars right?

[wraith agate]

Poor Shue

I just can't wait to finally purchase the beefy PC and start working on my vidya game

Oh yeah and I should probably do this before my country's economy collapses and 1€ will worth 10,000,000 HUF

[late basalt]

Good luck with that

Got employees? Or solo?

Llc might’ve been better tax-wise

Since it’s pass through to your own income bracket iirc

True, you’d be able to finagle a lot as business expenses too, if it’s done from home

Iirc you could even expense part of your mortgage based on sqft of your office

[modest moss]

hire me to do nothing

lol, faq spammer

[potent arrow]

Got a new wrist rest 🤤

Literally a chunk of marble

Imma try

[celest violet]

Anyone have any experience using like a grip tape or something similar on a gpu to change the color of it? I don't wanna paint the shroud and void warranty, but finding a white gpu that doesn't cost more for no reason is ass

Yeah If it was out of warranty I wouldn't mind

But never know when that rma can save your life

If I got a case with no visibility inside, it would honestly get rid of the problem 😭

That's true, I haven't really thought of it

It honestly still looks baller

Did you sand it down or just primer and paint?

I tried to paint a mouse, sanded, primed, paint, and it honestly turned out really badly

So I get scared with painting things

Ofc maybe hand oils and stuff messed it up but idk

I wish white pc hardware wasn't a luxury tax 😢

Yeah, pretty sure my keeb cost more than the identical black model, same for case and ram etc

I would love one of the rog strix white 3080s, but those are like non existing

I've a 3080 and would rather trade for the asus or sell for a good portion of the money, 40 series is out of budget lmao

No way in hell I downgrade to 3060

In my main pc anyway

Although I do want a gpu with more vram

10gbs is not enough and is a crime

Yeah no kidding, my last gpu had 16, the 3080 has 10 and I had to turn settings down for the "better" card

I was hurt

[grim rock]

do you vertical mount?

[neon shell]

Opinions on Nordvpn for ff?

If anypne has used it before

[celest violet]

Idk about nord, I used protonvpn for a bit cause it was free

Didn't really give me issues when I used it

[neon shell]

US or canada? Where did you connect

[celest violet]

I'm US

And honestly it barely had many options so I just picked the one with lowest traffic

Are you unable to play the game without vpn, or are you having an issue with servers

[neon shell]

My runs smooth, but ever since the recent patches I've been getting lag spikes

pretty sure it's a server thing

[celest violet]

Oh yeah thats been a thing, I know some people have been encountering it and may have more experience with it.

I used a VPN cause I couldn't connect without it because of security issues

But replacing my modem fixed that issue

Proton may not be the use there because the free version isn't the best speed

[neon shell]

I'll give the vpn a try and see from there

I'll update you

[sly elk]

i really hate icloud/apple's photos app

at some point I tried to do a mass export but it was one of those "this is way too slow to even be useful" things, so I just went in the photos app 'library' folder and yanked everything out

but it screws with EXIF dateTimeOriginal fields :S

so stuff ends up kinda pooled together by the date my phone uploaded it to icloud

hmm no that doesn't make sense either

because like, there's 200 pictures with december 20, 2020 as the date

but then in the photos app they might have dates like december 21, 22, etc

ooo someone made a tool for using/manipulating photos' sqlite database. SWEET!

[modern iris]

So some bots use the autocomplete thing with their slash commands, but you can only have 25 options at a time whenever someone types something.

I wanted to pull all the items in FFXIV and make them autocomplete-able, but there's like 41000 of them going by XIVAPI.

So I went with loading a list of names and IDs of items that the bot uses to throw into a mapped collection from a file (because I really didn't want to pull from the API starting out), and filtered out choices based on whatever the user's typing and only showing 25 or less autocomplete text at a time.

And periodically running a cron job to update the collection with the API to keep things up to date.

All of this took me a week to figure out because I severely overestimated caching and rate limits.

const focused = interaction.options.getFocused();
const dataset = interaction.client.datasets.get(this.data.name);
const choices = Array.from(dataset, ([key, value]) => ({ key, value }));

const filtered = choices.filter((choice) =>
  choice.value.toLowerCase().startsWith(focused.toLowerCase())
);

return await interaction.respond(
  filtered
    .map((choice) => ({ name: choice.value, value: choice.key }))
    .slice(0, 25)
);

[modern iris]

At least with the latter, that's something I'll likely tweak it to once/if I start branching out past EN translations.

With the autocomplete thing-y, it won't let the users submit anything that goes out the item's name.
Like if someone were to type Gil, it'd accept that (or gIL, GiL, etc.).
But if they type Gils or something, it'll tell them to try again.

What it's really doing is taking the id of that item before making an API call, there's no key-value pair for Gils compared to Gil.
But yeah, eventually I want to take into account different languages but I fought with this for a week just in English.

Oh and yeah the example I looked up for filtering did something where it assigned it to a result and returned that, I just get very code ninja-y sometimes.

[sly elk]

TIL the cheapest iMac apple sells does not have USB-A ports.

I always thought the cheap model just lacked the ethernet port on the power brick

[grim rock]

USB C?

[sly elk]

it still has those

[grim rock]

that's the workaround i guess

or thunderbolt

[sly elk]

right but

that is mind boggling

[grim rock]

they just want to send you cables

[sly elk]

it means that imac has a special rear case that lacks the 2 usb ports

[grim rock]

thought that was a known fact with the new phones

[sly elk]

and a special motherboard that also lacks the 2 usb ports

[grim rock]

well not necessarily unless theyre in the same spots

the mobo could be the same, but the connectors aren't soldered to begin with

[sly elk]

yea

the ports are on daughter cards

oh also sadly the 2nd set are just more usb-c ports lol 😄

[grim rock]

Makes sense

[sly elk]

that said, the cheaper model has a different back case lol 😄

[grim rock]

Moldings are cheap enough to make

[sly elk]

i don't hate their decision though

[grim rock]

But a drill bit ain't so hard to use after your warranty is over..

[sly elk]

ah apple doesn't roll that way. Usually it's milled billet aluminum lol

idk if they're still doing that

but they sure liked doing it for a while

[grim rock]

Still, cheaper to cut out 2 than 4, insignificant pricing

And just a program being run

The only price difference is the time it takes to rout out the additional 2

Which is fairly insignificant, but more points of failure for inspection so a slightly higher cost

[sly elk]

yea but now they have to make and maintain a stock of 2 different back panels instead of 1

admittedly, they already make a ton of different variations for the imacs

[grim rock]

Ye

[sly elk]

my favorite is the keyboards, with the icing on the cake that you can only buy them as a service part, you can't just buy a blue keyboard from apple

[grim rock]

For them it's a small cost compared to profits

[sly elk]

so they make 7 colors of iMac (4 are also offered in the 2 usb port version)

[grim rock]

Hey, at least it's not a subscription yet

[sly elk]

for each of those 7 colors, they make a keyboard with touch ID and an extended keyboard with touch ID... in 16 languages....

some languages are completely different units, too. Not just different keycaps.

also for the cheap model there's a short keyboard without touch ID 😄

so they have 288 different keyboard SKUs

[grim rock]

Crazy

[sly elk]

also they offer the mouse and trackpad in the 7 colors. So another 14 SKUs.

[grim rock]

Is that for releases this year or overall in production?

[sly elk]

i think they came out last year

they haven't made a new model, but it wouldn't come with a new keyboard soo

short version

the trackpad is even more subtle because the only colored part is the trim around the edge

i actually wonder if they're just made to order

and they can ship them to a warehouse where they just snap the right color cover on the unit

that would explain why you can't just buy them off the website lol

[wraith agate]

I finally joined the big boys group

err

big girl

say where's Hank?

[royal forge]

left the server

[wraith agate]

oh...

any particular reason?

[royal forge]

grats on the 4090 tho

[wraith agate]

thanks

[royal forge]

no clue

also

what ur processor?

[royal forge]

oooo

nice nice

ddr 5?

[wraith agate]

hopefully

[royal forge]

nice nice

I bought my build in Nov

my 3090 feels old now

[wraith agate]

important gaming accessories

oh no wait sorry

who the fuck keeps buying HyperX cloud gaming headset

is it Tyler1?

[royal forge]

ragers

where they smash it

also

lol with the antiaging cream

and the work gloves

nice combo

[wraith agate]

supplies of a secretly 60 years old serial killer

[golden stream]

Oy SK-II is better

[modern iris]

Anyone using the official Reddit app? Can I easily filter or block subreddits I don't want like r/Politics, or Worldnews, etc?

[modest moss]

I prefer to use a browser and just go directly to the subs I'm interested in

[grim rock]

Yes

Click 3 dots, click mute

You can also setup a custom feed for subs you want

[modest moss]

You don't need it yet

You have gbit anyway don't you

[fair parcel]

yeah that is nutty and not and pretty cheap but idk who would ever need that

[modest moss]

He is running an it contractor business from home but he should get more clients first

[fair parcel]

ah

[golden stream]

Holy 145$

Oh Canada

[modest moss]

How much are you paying for gbit

In my first task in this role I say keep your existing plan until you really need the extra speed for more clients, I just saved you $720 per year

I'll bill you later

[real edge]

personally

I have 200mbps

and its enough for me

1gbit does exist for 50 euro a month

but I do not need it

so the main question is "is this enough for me"

[odd sand]

Why would that be tempting? Most CDNs cap speeds at a fraction of that. I don't think I've ever gotten higher than like 400mbps from Steam, for example.

[odd sand]

And beyond Steam, most are way less than that for various sites I've downloaded from. 100mbps is a common cap

[modest moss]

Can't say I've experienced that

[grim rock]

As you probably already know, this won't be beneficially for work or gaming, unless you're using them simultaneously for prolonged periods of time. Most big companies I've worked for have awful transfer speeds due to VPNs

[modest moss]

Put it away

[wraith agate]

and what are you supposed to do with a cable that short?

[sly elk]

my vlans are kinda nonsense

[dreamy chasm]

[dreamy chasm]

idk if there's any use to cables that short, but you can use ethernet to connect two machines together

[wraith agate]

Yeah no kidding

Like damn

[dreamy chasm]

[wraith agate]

I definitely didn't know that

[dreamy chasm]

ice is probably fucking with us

[wraith agate]

Probably

Then again maybe he has a switch or a home router right next to his laptop

I literally can't imagine any other reason

[grim rock]

i think it was probably a test cable

[wraith agate]

It's not a real test cable unless it is 3m long

[modest moss]

I expect he was just practising crimping and wanted to waste as little cable as possible

[grim rock]

good luck, hopefully you do actually get some enjoyment from it

what are combo jacks?

ah

unrelated to that, but I do need to run an additional 15a circuit to the office

might just make it a 20, but I'm not looking forward to it

For some reason, this house's kitchen lights, some kitchen outlets, office, hall and a bedroom are all on a 15a circuit

i do not

bit frustrating because i told them the room would be an office when building it

[wraith agate]

I am interested in electronics

[grim rock]

yet they didn't run it on a separate circuit...

[wraith agate]

But I'm also more of a coder

Still I should learn this. Who knows when a robot apocalypse happens and I need to be able to craft EMP bombs lmao

[grim rock]

nah because i didn't explicitly say i needed it on a separate circuit so it's my mistake there. was my first build anyway. Learned a lot for the next house lol

[wraith agate]

Darn

[grim rock]

The only thing I'm not confident about is modifying the circuit breaker panel. So I'll get someone else to do it. Just not looking forward to paying for it lol. I'll have to see how the circuits are routed and if I can also break them apart to the panel to allow them to take on more load if needed

Bought this house at 22, not planning on making it my forever home but it's great for now

[wraith agate]

Ah yes, self-teaching robot that needs no human to be supervised

[grim rock]

it'll eventually be a rental

[wraith agate]

That's not how you prevent Misalignment

[grim rock]

Yeah, I moved from a high CoL state to low CoL

4 bedroom here was 280k in 2019

now its like 450k

but where i used to live, to get an equivalent would have been at least 700-900k

[cerulean talon]

I got lucky, I got to learn basic electronics when I was very young, the same time I was learning PIC ASM.

[wraith agate]

I am looking at these prices like wow.... I'll never own a house because I make around $550 a month

[cerulean talon]

I feel weird these days looking at micros, and seeing C, and not ASM. 😦

[wraith agate]

I like C, I learned it in school, though I always preferred C++

[cerulean talon]

I completely skipped C until I was already working in tech, and even then, it was more to read than write.

[grim rock]

I was good at intro coding, but hated it. Not for me, kudos to you guys for actually being big brains with it

[cerulean talon]

Tbh, thinking about it, I learned syscalls before I learned C.

But that's syadmin life for you

Tbh, coding is mostly puzzle sovling imo.

The hard part is defining the puzzle, then you get to have the fun of solving it.

Defining the puzzle sucks.

[wraith agate]

Well, when I was young, I used to deal with Quake engine, which was C

[cerulean talon]

You kids and your having engines when you were younger!

[wraith agate]

That engine is a year older than me

[cerulean talon]

We wrote ASM both directions WITHOUT HOME KEYS.

[wraith agate]

Came out in 1996, while I did in 1997

Well no wait, I came out in 2014

[cerulean talon]

Tbh, that's aroung the time I was writing asm for pic's.

[wraith agate]

But my mom released me in 1997

[cerulean talon]

About the right timing though as you'd be a couple years later and those engines would be commonly available.

I kinda miss pics some days.

They were so simple, but so horrible.

[wraith agate]

Nowadays I'm trying to learn UE5, specifically blueprints while keeping coding to the things I can't do in blueps

[cerulean talon]

Haha.

I ended up taking a super quick look at BP's, but never dove em.

[wraith agate]

Tbh, blueps is pretty much the same as me typing stuffs, except I get to keep my finger tips

[cerulean talon]

Just make your fingertips out of iron.

It's the real answer.

[wraith agate]

True

Funny btw, apparently Amazon says my packages will arrive on July 1st

It won't because the moment they hand it over to local post, they won't touch it till Monday

Nope

Locals don't deliver on weekend

[cerulean talon]

Eh, ours can't decide if I'm getting stuff on july 17 or back on june 17.

So it's fun here atm.

[wraith agate]

I mean, it is coming from Deutschland so maybe they deliver it personally?

[grim rock]

DHL

[wraith agate]

Jeff Bezos comes personally to hand over my 4090

[grim rock]

If its by 3rd pt seller

If its by Amazon, probably just amazon

[cerulean talon]

Or you just do the smart thing and don't allow inbound network traffic on that vlan.

Which is what I'd do.

[wraith agate]

I think, well my bet is, it will be delivered by DHL

[cerulean talon]

I'd setup an inter-vlan bridge.

[wraith agate]

God I wish

If I was living in Canada, I'd have tits by now

[cerulean talon]

So you can have traffic from your main vlan, to your iot vlan, then your iot vlan can go the net, but people can't come in.

Oh, just use VPN's.

Like an adult. 😛

Or yeah, unifi the entire thing and use a unifi recorder/router combo.

[wraith agate]

Do you know how terrible it is to be a programmer and not have tits?

[cerulean talon]

I've considered that thought before, but I'm really physically too damn big to ever consider it and look remotely reasonable.

[wraith agate]

[cerulean talon]

No thx, just more reasons to get fit and look better. 😄

That movie did feel a little too real with that description of humans tho.

[wraith agate]

I find it funny people consider AI to be future of writing code and stuff

[cerulean talon]

Honestly, it really could be.

The issue is that people don't really understand the hard part of coding, is knowing wtf to ask for.

The logic-y puzzle bits are perfect for a computer to work out.

[wraith agate]

Reminds me Hi-Fi Rush where everything is done by robots, including programming

[cerulean talon]

The hard part is telling the computer wtf you want it to do.

[wraith agate]

Mfw the computer does exactly what I programmed it do

[cerulean talon]

Well, yeah, it's the chinese room problem.

Can you tell the difference between a perfect translation computer, and a human who can do the translation, if you give them the same inputs and they give you the same output?

[wraith agate]

As my teachers used to say, there's a difference between the computer doing what you programmed it do vs what you actually want it to do.

[cerulean talon]

We're not allowed to use copilot at work, and tbh, I don't really need it much for anything.

At this point the problems I'm solving tend to be in the space of "Oh god, copilot's never seen this before"

Or "Oh damn it, this is in a weird context space that's specific to our application due to legacy code"

See, golang.

😄

Jetbrains did an excellent job with test codegen, so you just have to fill in some data variables.

[wraith agate]

I'm in the space where AI is useless to me, because not even I know what the fuck I want to do

[cerulean talon]

That's sorta the reason that yes, AI can take over /programming/ but it can't take over the fact managers can't figure out wtf they want the program to do.

Which people do not realize programmers have to do.

[wraith agate]

I'm a video game designer but not the idea guy, I'm the actual video game designer

Currently I have three distinct ideas but I'm not sure which one to do first and what the core gameplay loop should be

[cerulean talon]

Yeah, I used to be the software-implementer, then I got product training

And now I'm the poor bastard who can implement and dissaemble bad requirements into an auctual product.

Don't get me wrong, pays fantastically

But it sucks some days.

It took a serious shift in 3rd party platforms to drive our first major user acqs.

Then ~things~ and ~people~ drove the major waves from there on out.

[wraith agate]

Some ideas I have would require like an entire studio, but at least a good 20-30 people

Being a solo indie dev is not that

[cerulean talon]

Sort-of? You take those ideas and break them down into core bits and pieces.

I can tell you that a single developer can often replace 10-15 people if they get good at understanding what the actual requirements are. 🙂

[wraith agate]

I think first I'm gonna try something that's feasible for me. Not the gameplay revolution I have in mind, but a good start to put my foot into the doorway

[cerulean talon]

Some stuff like art assets, models, etc, sure.

Those will absolutely need people, but if you think you need 20-30 devs, that's a question of scoping and "why"

[wraith agate]

Well mostly I need animators, modelers and sound people

I'm tone deaf

[cerulean talon]

Sorta.

[wraith agate]

Mostly

[cerulean talon]

You can build your core gameplay without any of that.

😄

[dreamy chasm]

I've nearly given up on trying to learn how to code

[wraith agate]

Which is one of the reasons why I suck at hi-fi rush

[cerulean talon]

There's a reason games in dev have super hacky fucking previz models.

[wraith agate]

Oh dw, core gameplay I can do

[cerulean talon]

Heck, go look at previz for movies. They don't have final models, or overyalys or anything like that.

[wraith agate]

I need people for those extras, I'm the technical type of person

[cerulean talon]

But it's enough to sell the idea to someone who /can/ provide you with the money to get the extra people.