#technology-discussion | Final Fantasy XIV | Page 114

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:24 AM

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It's a good midrange card, but not high end

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Amd isn't targeting high end clients that do the kind of stupid I do

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:24 AM

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I am talking about gaming

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:25 AM

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Yes, the 6950xt is not usable as a gaming card in my rig

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:25 AM

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In any case, we ended the disagreement that now I have a job, I'm just going to save up money for a few months and have enough to get a proper high end PC that fulfills all my needs.

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:25 AM

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Amd literally didn't put enough vram on it for my normal usage

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\o/ congratulations on getting a job

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:26 AM

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So whether $3000 PC is grounded or not, I can theoretically buy any kind of PC I want

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:26 AM

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it all depends on your use case really

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whether its just gaming or workloads

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:26 AM

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Game dev with a side of gaming

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:27 AM

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budgets vary

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:27 AM

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Don't get me wrong, my gaming workloads are way higher than most

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:27 AM

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I ponder tho, should I invest in and get a 4090 or stay lower and get a 3090

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:27 AM

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And yeah, but high end is separate from budget :p

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The 3090ti is passable, it's not really enough power for my usage, but mines unusual, as noted

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:28 AM

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look into whether a 4090 is much faster for the workload you are planning on doing

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:28 AM

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Optimisation at the end of the day will require me to able to run my game on lower specs too

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:28 AM

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If you stay away from. 4k, I'd just get the 3090ti

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:28 AM

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the 3090ti is nonexistant in europe sadly

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:28 AM

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4k is when I'd seriously consider upgrading

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:29 AM

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I plan on sticking to 2k/1440p

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:29 AM

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3090 then, it drove the 4ks pretty similarly

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:29 AM

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but I can find a 3090 for like 750euro new over here and in germany

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:29 AM

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If you're not runnning 4k+ it's hard to really crush any modern gpu

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:29 AM

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I am just worried that if I buy a 4090, and half a year later they release 5090, with specs way better than 4090

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:30 AM

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that is just a normal constant worry for tech tbh

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:30 AM

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They'll probably add more cores, etc

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I prefer to skip a GPU generation when I cab

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*van

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I hate phone keyboards

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:30 AM

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Yeah, I'd rather get a 3080/90, and upgrade when 50xx series releases

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:31 AM

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Motherboard is always latest, best processor in class for that board, ram is 2 clock steps down minimum, GPU is every other releas

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:31 AM

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the 3090 is 2-3 years old now, if you buy it now, the upgrade will be in another 2-3 years

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if you really want a 5090 or sth

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:31 AM

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More like 4-5 years give em a year to debug it

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 5:31 AM

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Get a 4090 or you risk the fear of missing out

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GigaChad1

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jk

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:31 AM

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Don't be an idiot like me who buys day 1

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Then has to rma 2 processors and a GPU

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That's what idiots like me are for

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:32 AM

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surprising to hear that 16gb is not enough vram for gaming for you, I'd understand heavy workload though

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:32 AM

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4k

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The issue is that it's 3 4ks specifically

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So I use a ton of vram idle just keeping all my pixels happy

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It also doesn't help that my browsers ides, text editors, etc all thought GPU acceleration is good

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:34 AM

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B-but Impala! Look at them fancy colors!

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:35 AM

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Gimme some ray traced editors

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I need more shadows

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Admittedly, the huge vram requirements is why I tend to warn problem away from 4k

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Once you get it, you never want to get rid of it, but your a slave to vram

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:39 AM

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Well I don't want to upgrade peripherals right now. Only the PC itself

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:39 AM

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Problem, people, people are my problem, can't hate that auto

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Yeah, makes sense

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:39 AM

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I am going to wait for the first three months, hoping I won't get fired

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:39 AM

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Tbh, if I could handle 2k I'd probably go that route so I could have semi-afforable oleds

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:39 AM

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Because after that, I can definitely stay here

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:39 AM

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My entire first paycheck went to mortgage and power

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And that was it.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:40 AM

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Mine will go on to appease my mom

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It's not a big paycheck tbh

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In fact it will be tiny

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:40 AM

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I was a bit depressed that's all it covered

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:40 AM

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Since I got a factory job, but for now, I'm fine with it.

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:41 AM

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But it'll sort itself out if Berkshire Hathaway ever stops being ass (hint, it won't)

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Literally was told because I didn't have an auto-debit account setup they were gonna hold 2 months payment as a reserve

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Turned a 600-ish dollar bill into 1800

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Screw the fact they can do that

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:45 AM

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if a company withheld my due paycheck from me I'd probably raise hell

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If I am supposed to waste a third of the day working for your sorry ass I want to get paid

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no excuses

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:47 AM

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The best part about being an ex-soviet country is our unions are still strong

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For once the hammer and sickle did something good

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:51 AM

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Thankfully, tech companies tend to be good at paying us on time.

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I'm just annoyed that nvenergy can go "yah, so because you don't pay via ach, were holding 2 months of your payments in reserve"

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Screw that being remotely legal

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:53 AM

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it doesn't sound legal

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:53 AM

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It is, technically, because of the way the laws work here

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As it's a post-paid service, they're permitted to hold a deposit if deemed necessary because the client is unlikely to pay on time

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Which they defined as "not using ach"

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Joys of having a single power company and no way to compete

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Once I get a couple paychecks in, I think it's time to consider solar again, they're finally making big enough installs

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:56 AM

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I was considering solar cause electricity prices kept skyrocketing

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but they have since dropped off

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:56 AM

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Like I said, 600$ a month for power

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:57 AM

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are you running a mining farm

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vierasip

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:57 AM

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That's after we dropped usage by 10-12%, and their profit neutral increase raised it past

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No

paper tusk Apr 17, 2023, 5:57 AM

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sofieS

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 5:58 AM

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its 20 euro a month here for our electricity usage and 30 on misc costs

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:58 AM

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I wish, I think only my gas bill is that low

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Power is 600, waters like 40-50, internet is 300-ish

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The issue we ran into with solar is the panels and inverters couldn't cover us during peak, so we couldn't get a loan for it

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As they would have guaranteed lost money on the lease, so imma have to buy it outright

sly elk Apr 17, 2023, 6:05 AM

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what is the biggest power user in your house?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 6:05 AM

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Twin between the ac and computers

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A 10degree external change (f) costs me 2$ a day

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Realistically, upgrading the ac will provide the best benefit short-term, but that's 20k gag

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 6:24 AM

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But what are you doing that requires so much energy? A private server?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 6:24 AM

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Nah. Ryzens are just bad at downclocking

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Oh, and idle GPUs still churn frames

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 6:25 AM

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my 5800X3D consumes like 20w

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idle

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or browsing

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 6:25 AM

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Mines about 150

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 6:25 AM

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wat

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 6:26 AM

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My PC idles around 400w total

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 6:26 AM

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that is more than what my CPU can even consume running at full blast overclocked

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 6:26 AM

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Welcome to high end gear, we have ridiculous power budgets

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I had 350w into a 5950x for awhile

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Soon(tm) we'll be swapping everything for epycs for any internal gear other than desktops which should fix the worst of it

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They actually downclock properly, server gear gonna be nice

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When you get 3-4 machines like mine, the power adds up quick 🙂

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In theory, we should drop 400-500w worth of load

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 6:46 AM

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I don't want to know what my pc idle is

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 6:47 AM

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I need to shut off the house for a couple hours to finish a power system upgrade and start logging out usage per-breaker

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 6:48 AM

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I wanted to do a bresker board level reading device

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But then again I didn't want my parents to have a clue how.much power I'm using

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 6:49 AM

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I just bought one, I was lazy

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I dont think it handles enough circs tho

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 6:50 AM

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Home assistant on god over here

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But surely my 3900x doesn't draw that much power right

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uwucarby

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 6:51 AM

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Uhuh

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I got the emporia energy box

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So 24 breakers which i think is low

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 6:52 AM

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Oc to 3.9ghz on each core uwucarby

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 6:52 AM

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cerulean talon So 24 breakers which i think is low

Bro thats more then I use rofl

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 6:52 AM

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We've got 200a service

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 6:52 AM

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I might put a killawatt on my pc to see

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 6:52 AM

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I've got one, which is why I know it idles at 400

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 6:53 AM

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owocarby

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 6:54 AM

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Got one on the rice maker and blended too

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*blender

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But yeah, we've gotn6 breakers just for the living room

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4 for the 220 sockets, etc

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!hank

opal pantherBOT Apr 17, 2023, 7:04 AM

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cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 7:04 AM

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Purple! Good job kupo

livid dune Apr 17, 2023, 7:08 AM

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!hank

opal pantherBOT Apr 17, 2023, 7:08 AM

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royal forge Apr 17, 2023, 7:32 AM

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!hank

opal pantherBOT Apr 17, 2023, 7:32 AM

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paper tusk Apr 17, 2023, 7:49 AM

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kekw

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real edge Apr 17, 2023, 7:50 AM

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128 bit bus

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haha

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 7:51 AM

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Given that we rarely saturate memory busses shrug

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Would be nice if they were all the same tho

torpid kayak Apr 17, 2023, 7:55 AM

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why 128-bit lol?

torpid kayak Apr 17, 2023, 8:21 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/uh44eXb.png another one bit the dust (not mine, but same model LG 27GL850-B)

Imgur

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 8:22 AM

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Where did the screen go?

torpid kayak Apr 17, 2023, 8:24 AM

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to the abyss. the backlight seems dying or something

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my LG screen has some light bleeding spots, but it seems those IPS screen all has that nowadays. My PC is in a well-lit room (dunno why people like their PC room super dark), so I don't see them

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 8:29 AM

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I prefer dark as possible, more comfortable for me

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Massive monitors also throw tons of light on their own

silk sandal Apr 17, 2023, 9:16 AM

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been having a bad time, so wanna treat myself a bit with a new keyboard

has anyone used or heard good/bad things about Roccat products?
looking hard at picking up a Roccat Pyro
(I'm currently using an old Blackweb Centaur)

void dove Apr 17, 2023, 9:19 AM

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i used a roccat keyboard and mouse for a few years, actually still using the mouse.
has lasted longer than my 2 of my old logitech g400 mice, combined

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the keyboard, i broke a key on it, but that was me

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i can't comment on their software, as this stuff is too old to use their current software.

silk sandal Apr 17, 2023, 10:54 AM

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yeah, having to download another thing to manage rgb and profiles is going to be annoying
I just don't have the budget to get a good Corsair keyboard so I can stick with only iCue

void dove Apr 17, 2023, 11:28 AM

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silk sandal yeah, having to download another thing to manage rgb and profiles is going to be...

Tbh I don't use the software, I make my own custom macros with autohotkey instead, my mouses extra buttons are setup in that to do different things per game, if I need it, and for my keyboard, which is currently a Corsair, I just don't install icue, it has basic RGB I can control with the fn key, and I never change it anyway.. I literally have no mouse/kb vendor software installed. Though it's not for your average user of course.

silk sandal Apr 17, 2023, 11:32 AM

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understandable
I have icue just for my pc fans right now, but that's it.
my current blackweb works the same for its rgb, but it only has 3 colors anyway, so software wouldn't matter

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 11:34 AM

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Idk your price range, but keychron still has a sale going on rn. I generally recommend them to people, and have owned many of them before. Not as flashy RGB wise but still extremely solid when it comes to keyboards

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 11:50 AM

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https://reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/12orr4t/from_an_athlon_64_x2_4200_to_a_7950x3d_its_good/

r/Amd - From an Athlon 64 X2 4200+ to a 7950X3D, it’s good to be ba...

697 votes and 52 comments so far on Reddit

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I refuse to believe this is legit Lmao

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Maybe they meant first time coming back to AMD since then

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 11:51 AM

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Yeh, it's in the comments

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The new epycs are showing up on eBay and I almost want to get one for the desktop, if only they had real core speeds

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Damned games not using 64 cores efficiently

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 11:53 AM

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AI will solve the multi threading problem!

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cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 11:54 AM

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I'll multithread your V8 with ai generated ecu code

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How's that sound?

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That statement was auctually more horrifying once I wrote it.

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 11:55 AM

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My truck is all mechanical you can’t touch it! /s

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 11:56 AM

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Oh, I'm sure we can have it generate us a 3d printable part for it

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 11:56 AM

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haha

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Cup holder

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 11:56 AM

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That's also horrifying now that someone might do that.

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Like a new intake manifold from openai

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Or carb

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Ooooh, let's see some idiot 3d print a carb body from open ai

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 11:57 AM

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It’s fuel injected (barely)

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 11:57 AM

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Feed that pla a bunch of gas and see what happens

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 11:57 AM

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https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0565/2761/8226/products/tbi2859-WM3.jpg?v=1619767216

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It has 2 fuel injector pods that spray into the throttle body

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 11:58 AM

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Bahaha

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 11:58 AM

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Looks almost exactly like a carburetor

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 11:58 AM

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I love it

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 11:58 AM

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LUL

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 11:58 AM

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Tbh, thats a neat design

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 11:59 AM

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It works well but it’s not very efficient

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 11:59 AM

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W-why does that exist

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 11:59 AM

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Blah, I should just get out of bed and do something useful

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... it's a car part, if it can exist, someone will make it

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 11:59 AM

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Wanna do me a favor codingway and put a few bullets into me

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 12:00 PM

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Nah, I like you too much, you get to suffer with me

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 12:00 PM

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One thing I don’t understand is why didn’t GM just use the tuned port injection system on the trucks

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 12:00 PM

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Dammit

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 12:00 PM

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Would’ve had port fuel injection

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 12:00 PM

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Besides, I gotta remind you what your PC will look like some day

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It sparks joy in my heart bringing that horror to discord

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 12:01 PM

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https://www.onallcylinders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/19/515891-1000-0.jpg

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Look at that METAL intake

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boomer

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 12:01 PM

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Aluminum or pot metal?

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 12:02 PM

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Aluminum I think

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 12:02 PM

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Nice. Do I go cut the power to my house so I can install breaker monitoring? Seems reasonable to do at 5 am right?

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 12:02 PM

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Yes

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Use square D

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 12:03 PM

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Excellent, now I have an excuse

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Yeah, it's already a square d box, I've got emporia for the sensors

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 12:03 PM

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duckpray

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 12:05 PM

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Ah well, all the ups will scream at me, but that's life 😄

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I'm almost afraid to see how the power usage actually looks

silk sandal Apr 17, 2023, 12:41 PM

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potent arrow Idk your price range, but keychron still has a sale going on rn. I generally rec...

I haven't heard of keychron before, but they look to be above my budget right now.
still, I'll bookmark them for later when I can afford "better"
thanks for the suggestion

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part of why I'm looking at the Roccat Pyro right now is that they're sold at Best Buy, and BB will price-match Amazon as long as it's sold and shipped through them.
so I can get the Pyro for only us$55+t instead of the full us$80 it normally costs

sharp star Apr 17, 2023, 12:51 PM

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https://youtu.be/jXNzh-W07fM thanks Steve

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glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 1:06 PM

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Gamers. I'm having a mind blank, maybe it doesn't even exist but.

I'm going to have 4 HDMI consoles. (PS5, Xbox 1, Switch, and My Steam Deck.)

But my TV only has 2 HDMI outputs. Is there like, a splitter or something that allows me to have everything plugged in at once?

sharp star Apr 17, 2023, 1:07 PM

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Switchers exist

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 1:17 PM

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HDMI switches exist, but you can just use the freely available option of getting up and switching the cables yourself lmao

sharp star Apr 17, 2023, 1:17 PM

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Yeah

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 1:18 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Switcher-Splitter-Selector-Compatible/dp/B09Y14JSFH/

UGREEN HDMI Switch 5 in 1 Out 4K@60Hz, HDMI Splitter with Remote 5 ...

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sharp star Apr 17, 2023, 1:18 PM

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Switches exist, but pulling the cable out and putting it in another HDMI output is free

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 1:19 PM

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sharp star Switches exist, but pulling the cable out and putting it in another HDMI output ...

using your hands to do manual labor

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what am I, poor?

hard drift Apr 17, 2023, 1:19 PM

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yeah, you guys are recommending switches rather than receivers ASevil

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just look at all those ports ASevil

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 1:23 PM

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I just unlocked memories I didn't even know I had.

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umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 1:24 PM

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glossy ravine

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

Tenor

Matt Damon Aging

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glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 1:28 PM

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Yall

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I found the VHS + DVD player from back then

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 1:28 PM

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back then

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VHS/DVD players were still in stores until like 2008 lmao

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 1:28 PM

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And it appears to still work because it just spat out the VHS that was in it.

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 1:28 PM

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playdead

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 1:28 PM

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(my model was from 2010.)

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Still feels ancient.

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 1:44 PM

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glossy ravine

Surprised they even put that on VHS

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That movie came out in the mid 2000s didn’t it

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:03 PM

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🅱️ls

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my dad spent $320 for the laser disc version of the original SW trilogy

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and threw it away when his LD player broke

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https://tenor.com/view/angry-annoyed-bad-vibes-throw-it-whats-going-on-gif-16325118

Tenor

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the SW box set is frustrating because the laser disc version is the only version that was ever mastered using the stereo audio master

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because it was damaged when they were making the LD release

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sad

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yep

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the old CAV discs with like 35 minutes of movie per side

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so you had to get up 6 times to finish a movie pogianger

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yeah, how much for it?

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:11 PM

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just download the Harmy's Despecialized editions

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:12 PM

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don't harmy's use the LD version as the baseline audio with the remastered footage from the newer editions?

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:12 PM

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sometimes a fan edit is actually the best one

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:12 PM

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I found a fan edit for the prequel trilogy that was breddy gud

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:12 PM

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idk the specifics but I have seen the nerds rage and rage and rage to get them allowed because they're the best

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:13 PM

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the de-cringed AOTC edit is actually pretty good, minus the weird dub over OG jar-jar

graceful pine Apr 17, 2023, 2:13 PM

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they remove most of the anakin padme scenes in that AOTC edit

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because without those it is a fairly engaging story

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:13 PM

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like, yeah, I get it, you don't like his weird vaguely racist language, but dubbing him over with some super angry death metal grumble is worse sad

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yeah

torpid kayak Apr 17, 2023, 2:16 PM

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i make my PC go full orange RGB

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looks warm

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a little heater box 😄

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 2:21 PM

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!hank

opal pantherBOT Apr 17, 2023, 2:21 PM

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しょこらて | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/92829934

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 2:22 PM

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Damn, already retired huh?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:34 PM

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@deep sapphire can you give me a suggestion for a strong CPU?

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not that strong

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:34 PM

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Wow, doesn't ask me. :HURT:

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:34 PM

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I just said not that strong

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 2:34 PM

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13600K

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:34 PM

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The real question is what you define as strong. 😛

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 2:34 PM

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Is the best value per dollar rn

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:34 PM

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IE: Single thread perf vs multi-thread.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:34 PM

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something that's good for game deving and playing games

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:35 PM

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Which is really the main question.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:35 PM

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CPU that can make and run games

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 2:35 PM

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Otherwise if you can find it the 7800X3D

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:35 PM

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13600k... what i is that?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:35 PM

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Intel

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:35 PM

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yes but which

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i3? i7?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:35 PM

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Probally an i7.

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I3/5/7 are just marketing terms, like 5/7/9 ryzens,.

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Yup, intel is still trouncing at single thread perf, so I'd probally go down that range. The effiency core meme is /legitimately/ pretty decent.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:38 PM

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this be $400

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I want something that's not 400 USD

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:38 PM

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Sounds about right, the only reason I'd reconsider a 13th gen is the DDR5 meme.

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Which is /also/ expensive.

sly walrus Apr 17, 2023, 2:38 PM

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wraith agate I want something that's not 400 USD

that’s the cpu market

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:38 PM

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I hate the CPU market

sly walrus Apr 17, 2023, 2:38 PM

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just be glad it’s not 4 digits

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:38 PM

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My monitor is 30 hz right now, and it /kills/ me.

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:39 PM

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wraith agate I want something that's not 400 USD

How much are you generally searching to spend? Yuo're gonna be looking minimum 300$ imo for a decent processor for what you're trying to do.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:39 PM

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well

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:39 PM

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Unfortunately, games are still massively single-thread.

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So you can't cheese it with a cheap multi-thread chip.

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Gotta get dem BOOST clocks.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:40 PM

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I guess I'm gonna aim for $3000

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that's my budget

sly walrus Apr 17, 2023, 2:40 PM

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for the whole pc?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:40 PM

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yes

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:41 PM

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Your GPU will decide the most of that then. Tbh, most decent mobo's are gonna run you 300-400, then drop 300-400 on processor, 200-400 on ram.

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:41 PM

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13600k is i5

sly walrus Apr 17, 2023, 2:41 PM

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1000 on graphics card

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:41 PM

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As you're doing dev work, you're gonna be in the preferabl, 64-128 gig of ram range.

sly walrus Apr 17, 2023, 2:41 PM

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unless the market’s healed

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:41 PM

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IIRC they're considering a 4090.

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So assume more around the range of 1500-1800 for the GPU.

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:42 PM

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what are electricity costs like in your country Amy?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:42 PM

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currently? not too bad

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FOR NOW

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:42 PM

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these rigs are thirsty af

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:42 PM

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I know

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let's start with GPU

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I need to see if they even have it in stock

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HOLY SHIT

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:43 PM

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?

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:44 PM

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can you order from like, amazon.de ?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:44 PM

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the GPU itself is almost 3 grand

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no, I cannot order from amazon.de

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yeah okay I am not getting a 4090

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that's just a no

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:44 PM

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I'm mildly surprised it's that high, unless you just have absurd import taxes

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:44 PM

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80% of the budget is out the window

sly walrus Apr 17, 2023, 2:44 PM

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a 3090, then

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:44 PM

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They're finally down to the 1700 range here.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:45 PM

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cerulean talon I'm mildly surprised it's that high, unless you just have absurd import taxes

and that's the reason why I can't order from .de

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online shops still get subjected to taxes

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:45 PM

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but EU?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:45 PM

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still

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well

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let me see

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:46 PM

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Unfortunate to hear they're quite that high.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:46 PM

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this is the cheapest so far

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:47 PM

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Yeah, that's about right rn.

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Bit high for a 4080 but I could see it.

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By and large, the 4xxx series is /probally/ overkill for what you're doing.

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 2:47 PM

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do you have a used market over there?

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:47 PM

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https://www.amazon.de/-/en/GeForce-4090-Ventus-Graphics-Card/dp/B09YL989JK/ €1800 to Hungary

MSI GeForce RTX 4090 Ventus 3X 24G OC Graphics Card - RTX 4090 GPU,...

MSI GeForce RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X 24G OC: Take the Essentials The GeForce RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X 24G OC is the factory overclocked GPU version of the GeForce RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X 24G 3X 2. The MSI GeForce RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X graphics cards are equipped with powerful triple fan cooling solutions and robust ...

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:47 PM

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oh fuck that's a 4080

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:48 PM

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real edge do you have a used market over there?

they are still selling it too expensively there

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 2:48 PM

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even a used 3090?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:48 PM

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Nhadala

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:48 PM

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is your budget of 3k in USD or Euros?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:48 PM

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anyone who can afford a 3090 in this country

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will not buy a new one

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:48 PM

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Shame y'all don't have the ti versions available.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:48 PM

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modest moss is your budget of 3k in USD or Euros?

3k USD

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:48 PM

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They're really decent for the 3xxx series.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:49 PM

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that's still well over a million HUF

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 2:49 PM

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we do they are just more expensive than 4090s lol

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:49 PM

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That's just dumb.

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I mean, not surprising, but dumb.

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 2:49 PM

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haha

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:49 PM

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Is.

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:49 PM

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That's more than I paid for my original 3090. wthf.

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:49 PM

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Is there a point to upgrading to DDR5?

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 2:50 PM

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meanwhile

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:50 PM

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Not really imo.

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I'd let DDR5 burn in for another generation or two before you consider upgrading.

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It's, imo an enthusast part rn.

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:50 PM

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so that 4090 on amazon.de is $2k USD, you could arguably do the rest for $1k I'd think

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:50 PM

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the top 2 is 3080, the rest are 4090

paper tusk Apr 17, 2023, 2:50 PM

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glossy ravine Is there a point to upgrading to DDR5?

If you're happy with your current getup, no

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:50 PM

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I'm in no financial position to do so of course. Just curious.

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 2:50 PM

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ddr5 is too early yet

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wait more

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:51 PM

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I get the joy of not being able to upgrade my BIOS, and regular instability for DDR5. 😄

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:51 PM

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Can't wait for the jump to Dance Dance Revolution 6 ClaudeWheeze

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:51 PM

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okay since I am not making triple A games yet, I think for now I can get on with a 3080

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:51 PM

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@deep sapphire did you buy DDR4 or 5?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:51 PM

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like that should suffice

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unless

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I should get some other 30xx

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:52 PM

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Imo, unless you're going for the bleeding edge of computer power. There's really no need to go DDR5, 4090, etc. Etc.

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:52 PM

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You could probally get away with a 3070 tbh, but it'd be tight I'd assume.

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:52 PM

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honestly while you're still learning yeah you should be fine with a 3080 or similar

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:52 PM

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currently I have 3070/ti and 3080

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as in those are the only available options

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:52 PM

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Not to mention, the price of such is prohibitively expensive.

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:52 PM

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3080 is better, more vram

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:53 PM

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Tbh, if you're chasing it, the price doesn't matter much, and the companies know it.

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People like me will pay it no matter what because we want that performance.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:54 PM

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hmm

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:54 PM

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Upgrades are incremental and won't be noticable unless you're going from like.

A Ryzen 5 2600 to a Ryzen 9 5900X

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:54 PM

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how much is the 3080

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:54 PM

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@cerulean talon you are smart, is Manli a good brand?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:54 PM

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glossy ravine Upgrades are incremental and won't be noticable unless you're going from like. ...

Depends on what you're doing, but genrally, I'd agree.

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:54 PM

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(from a gaming perspective.)

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:54 PM

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wraith agate <@125367267683860480> you are smart, is Manli a good brand?

No idea, they're completely unknown to me, so I'd assume they're one of the smaller china based producers.\

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:54 PM

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imagine accusing Impala of being smart

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:55 PM

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glossy ravine (from a gaming perspective.)

Also, not true, but you need to have a setup that can show those changes.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:55 PM

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then I guess I'd rather shell out slightly more for a secure ASUS one

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:55 PM

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You throw enough pixels at the card, and it /will/ show a version upgrade without a problem.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:55 PM

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okay onto the next one

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back to CPU

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so if I have a 3080

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:55 PM

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I've never heard of Manli

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:56 PM

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what CPU should I get that might allow me to upgrade to a 50xx series?

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:56 PM

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they might be great, but I wouldn't buy one

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:56 PM

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modest moss they might be great, but I wouldn't buy one

it's too cheap tbh

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:56 PM

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I went from a Ryzen 5 2600x to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and aside from some higher frame rates, I really haven't noticed an insane difference between the chips.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:56 PM

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well relatively

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:56 PM

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if you're saving on the GPU, buy a tank of a CPU like a 13900k that'll last 5 years+

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:56 PM

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You'll want a higher end one in general,, I'd stick to the 12xxx if you're going intel or 4xxx ryzens, just to stay a bit behind and in stable land.

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:57 PM

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glossy ravine I went from a Ryzen 5 2600x to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and aside from some higher fram...

Drive a couple 4k monitors and it gets /real/ noticable /real/ fast.

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:57 PM

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~~Aside from needing the giant cooler on my PC~~

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:57 PM

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these are the top two AMD it suggests for me

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:57 PM

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The 5xxx is okayish, the 4500 is trash.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:57 PM

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okay

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:57 PM

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Oh right.

I'm a one, $50 monitor peasant that hasn't upgraded

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:58 PM

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I am willing to go higher on CPU tbh now that I can cut some money on the GPU

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:58 PM

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Tbh, nothing wrong w/ single monitor for gaming.

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:58 PM

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One with terrible viewing angles but I had to cut costs somewhere on my build.

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:58 PM

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It's generally better, I often dislike multi-monitor gaming setups, but I want em for work.

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:58 PM

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Having a second monitor is helpful for school^

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:58 PM

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should I get this one?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:59 PM

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My roomie on the other hand uses quad 1920's all banded into a single screen for gaming, like a madmad.

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*madman.

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:59 PM

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I use my second monitor to do spreadsheets and shit, so it's not a fancy super fast display

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:59 PM

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13600k is apparently excellent for the price

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 2:59 PM

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just needs to turn on and show me excel lmao

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:59 PM

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wraith agate should I get this one?

I'd check into the moterboard compat for 13th gen and see if they're still offering them for DDR4.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:59 PM

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goody

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:59 PM

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I don't know if 13 went ddr5 only or not.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:59 PM

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I am not sure if I wanna go DDR4

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:59 PM

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Really, having that screen just to have quick access to information is what I want it for.

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 2:59 PM

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I would, DDR5 is not a smart choice rn imo.

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 2:59 PM

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^

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 2:59 PM

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hmm

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 3:00 PM

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Literally, it took me a week to get this system up and stable on DDR5.

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Like, wouldn't go into bios levels of unstable.

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:00 PM

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Things just aren't optimized for DDR5 and it's significantly more expensive.

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Along with not being compatible with DDR4 MB

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:00 PM

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?

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:01 PM

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glossy ravine Things just aren't optimized for DDR5 and it's significantly more expensive.

https://tenor.com/view/so-far-as-yet-to-date-up-to-now-thus-far-gif-15137882

Tenor

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:01 PM

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not sure if the H series is good

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:01 PM

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umbral moss https://tenor.com/view/so-far-as-yet-to-date-up-to-now-thus-far-gif-15137882

Give it... 3-4 years. soulSurrender

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:01 PM

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yeah, just like high speed DDR5 was supposed to be here 3-4 years ago pogianger

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JDEC will be finishing the DDR8 spec by the time good DDR5 dimms start hitting the retail channels

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:02 PM

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any help with motherboards?

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:02 PM

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You using PC part Picker?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:03 PM

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sort of

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a localized version

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I have no idea into which mobo can I put this CPU

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NotLikeNeeko_rewyu_h

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:05 PM

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Gotcha. I'm not the most experienced in building PCs but.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:05 PM

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@modest moss

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:05 PM

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Ryzen it looks like

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:05 PM

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no?

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I am using an intel CPU

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:06 PM

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if you go 13600k I think you want a z690, but I'd have to check

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the /r/buildapc nerds think z690 too, https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/11cnbwj/what_motherboard_to_get_for_my_i513600k/

r/buildapc - What motherboard to get for my i5-13600K?

14 votes and 31 comments so far on Reddit

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z790 is probably excessive

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:08 PM

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oki doki

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so I found a gigabyte one

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it is the cheapest among the z690s

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it supports the CPU and also has DDR4 slots with a maximum RAM size of 128 GB

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I miiiiiiiiiiiiight go 32gb RAM for start and upgrade later when the need arises

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:10 PM

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what model

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:10 PM

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this good, no?

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:11 PM

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probably fine yep

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:11 PM

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I mean I heard everyone praise corsair vengeance

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plus it's a kit so more secure than a single one

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Shue

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NeekoTomato

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is this good?

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:13 PM

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16 is the most you'll need for every day tasks.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:13 PM

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it a terrorbyte of NVME

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:13 PM

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glossy ravine 16 is the most you'll need for every day tasks.

but that's not what I want to do down the line

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:13 PM

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glossy ravine 16 is the most you'll need for every day tasks.

Amy wants to game dev, so having as much ram and vram as possible is sensible

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:14 PM

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Anything more is either for highest end gaming, or like. Video Editing/process-

Oohh. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:14 PM

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I could go higher on VRAM but then I'd go broke

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I keep it down on VRAM for now and upgrade later when I can afford

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so I take it that SSD is good

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it's a terrabyte

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and now comes the fluff

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well

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almost

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I need a PC case and a powersupply unit

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:16 PM

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Almost universally recommend nzxt

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For your case.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:16 PM

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okay

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what about PSU

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:17 PM

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idk about that SSD

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:17 PM

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it's crucial

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fairly well known

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:17 PM

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you want a pcie 4 one

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:17 PM

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cerulean talon It's, imo an enthusast part rn.

This is what I decided when I got the 13900K last fall. Although DDR5 prices did drop a lot faster than expected. So double the IOPS would be nice, but there's nothing really wrong with my DDR4-3200 B-die so...

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:17 PM

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anyway, PSU, which one is recommended by Linus?

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seasonic

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right?

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:18 PM

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Gold 80 rating, is what you're looking for. Or so I've been told.

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:18 PM

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linus is the mcdonalds of tech

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Be Quiet! Has fairly good power supplies

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:18 PM

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I went from 9th gen to 13th gen and probably do a short upgrade cycle at 15th gen. Figure 14th is Intel on the new chiplet arch and 15th is they refine it. And by then DDR5 should be very mature and cheap.

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:18 PM

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https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

Cultists Network

Juular

PSU Tier List rev. 17.0g - Cultists Network

PSU Tier List will help you to choose the best PSU out of hundreds of models on the market. From budget to the highest end Power Supplies.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:19 PM

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real edge linus is the mcdonalds of tech

what does that mean lmao

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:19 PM

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Seasonic and Silverstone are perennial top ones

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Be Quiet! probably sources from one of those two, bc I doubt they make their own

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:20 PM

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oh me lordy, this expensive

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:20 PM

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Super Flower as well (which does some models for Corsair, EVGA, etc)

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:20 PM

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corsair psus tend to be good

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:20 PM

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but 750W should suffice

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:21 PM

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With any of the rebadged vendors like Corsair, you really need to research who makes that particular SKU

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They have good and bad ones depending on the tier and pricepoint

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:21 PM

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Check how much your system is pulling.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:21 PM

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my head already hurts

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:21 PM

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The estimate

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:21 PM

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I don't know

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a lot

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plus keep it in mind I'll upgrade the GPU down the line

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so can't tell for now

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:22 PM

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You don't need titanium efficiency. You won't save enough money in power bills to justify it within the life of the PSU probably

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:22 PM

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umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:22 PM

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odd sand You don't need titanium efficiency. You won't save enough money in power bills t...

especially if you're not running it near redline

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your efficiency is dogwater at near-zero load regardless of the PSU topology

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it's a difference of like, 1% in the 0-20% power load range sad

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:23 PM

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At most get a Gold, but bronze is fine even as long as you have enough overhead

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:23 PM

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glossy ravine

intel i5-13600k, I didn't pick a CPU cooler yet and the motherboard is a gigabyte z690M

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:23 PM

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The only wrinkle is the golds also tend to overall be better built than bronze so

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:23 PM

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There's also Modular or Not Modular PSU.

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:24 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/tools/power-supply-calculator/

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:24 PM

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odd sand The only wrinkle is the golds also tend to overall be better built than bronze s...

this is usually just the nature of the higher efficiency

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the really exotic stuff is when you get to very high power demand and you want that platinum efficiency, like the corsai ax1600i

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:25 PM

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why is this so damn complicated

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:26 PM

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It can be overwhelming, yeah. I still find it overwhelming and I've built 2 PCs already 😅

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:26 PM

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it really isn't, buy a PSU that's about 30% more powerful than what your GPU asks for and you're basically set

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:26 PM

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For 13600k and 3080 the psu calc recommend is yeah, like 750w

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:26 PM

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you only need to worry about exotic PSU demands when you're at the absolute top-end of hardware, like a 7950X3D and a 4090

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:27 PM

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If you can find like an 850 for about the same price, go for that for a bit more overhead and future proofing

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But I have a feeling power recs for GPUs will go down again in 50 and 60 series bc they've hit the wall in how bloated they can be

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:27 PM

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how about this one?

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:28 PM

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odd sand But I have a feeling power recs for GPUs will go down again in 50 and 60 series ...

nah, you can always ask for more power, even with chiplet design sad

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look at how much power the 7950X (non X3D) pulled

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:29 PM

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It's more like, at the point a 360mm AIO can't cool the CPU and the PC is drawing so much power it's tripping a 15A breaker ... something has to give

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:29 PM

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yeah, you have to pay an electrician to run a dedicated 480V tap off your high voltage service pogianger

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:30 PM

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what kind of cooling should I get for an i5-13600k?

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I figure not static

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:30 PM

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deepcool ak620 is a popular choice

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see how much it costs

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:30 PM

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240mm AIO is probably sufficient unless you want to stay aircooling

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:31 PM

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It cost me like 80 USD for the Cooler Nhadala mentioned.

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And it's fairly straightforward to install.

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:31 PM

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On a sidenote: looked at PC hardware prices in Japan... holy fuk

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I feel so sorry for our JPbros and JPgals

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:31 PM

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odd sand 240mm AIO is probably sufficient unless you want to stay aircooling

I think I stick to aircooling

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:32 PM

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if the ak620 is too expensive

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see how much the ak500 costs

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:32 PM

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WEW

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:32 PM

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They were charging 580k yen for a 4090...

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:32 PM

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partpicker website says thermaltake it or leave it

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:33 PM

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Basic bitch micro-ATX motherboard was 25k...

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:34 PM

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OKI DOKI

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:34 PM

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wraith agate partpicker website says thermaltake it or leave it

do you mean thermalright peerless assassin?

glossy ravine Apr 17, 2023, 3:34 PM

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odd sand They were charging 580k yen for a 4090...

deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerp MarianneScared

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:34 PM

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modest moss do you mean thermalright peerless assassin?

so the mobo I picked only allows thermalTAKE

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:35 PM

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what

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what model

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:35 PM

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wat

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:35 PM

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gigabyte Z690M DS3H

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:35 PM

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any cooler can go into any modern mobo

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:35 PM

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not cooler

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mobo

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the mobo restricted PC case selection to Thermaltake

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:37 PM

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you're confusing me

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:37 PM

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WHAT IS IT SO CONFUSING

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I picked a mobo

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and it didn't let me take ANY other PC case

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:39 PM

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it was confusing because we were talking about cooling

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and unless you're buying some weird proprietary mobo (you aren't) you would not be restricted like that on either case or cooler

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and chill out, we're humans helping you for free

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:41 PM

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you can't put a price on good help

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:41 PM

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I assume you're taking these parts on some sort of PC OEM site then and they only offer those?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:41 PM

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not sure

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I removed the mobo and lets me pick any other PC case now

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:42 PM

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also I put that mobo in pcpartpicker UK and

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odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:42 PM

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Because as long as it's an ATX motherboard, it can fit in any ATX case...

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:42 PM

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all the options are there

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:42 PM

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also I moved on from coolers Shue when I said I stick to that air cooling

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:42 PM

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weird

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:43 PM

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well which air cooler are you buying?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:43 PM

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the one Nhadala suggested

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the Ak500

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:43 PM

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the restriction may because the cooler you chose is fuckin huge and doesn't fit in anything else

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:43 PM

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nope

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:43 PM

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ok

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:43 PM

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it was happening only when I picked a mobo

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:44 PM

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it's just an matx board, nothing special https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z690M-DS3H-DDR4-rev-10/sp#sp

GIGABYTE

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odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:44 PM

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Yeah that will basically fit in any case that isn't SFF/ITX

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:44 PM

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yeah I think it's just the site

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:45 PM

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wraith agate yeah I think it's just the site

https://youtu.be/6g3yiA1YREc

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just make sure you get one that supports 13k cpus

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:45 PM

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I've seen several recommendations for z690 MSI boards to go with 13600k

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:45 PM

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if you choose one from that list

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:45 PM

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holy shit... so if I pick an NZXT case then I am limited to these mobos only

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 3:45 PM

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that's nonsense

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:46 PM

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I hate this website

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removing the PC cooler does nothing

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y'know what

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I am gonna make a list myself and just purchase the components individually

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we going back to notepad

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:47 PM

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just make sure they fit each-other, you can make your list and use the US version of pcpartpicker to check for compatibility

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:50 PM

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hey Nhadala

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what about this RAM

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:50 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/540578028221366275/1096548746399064185/1283736271.gif

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:50 PM

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is this good?

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:50 PM

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hm

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are you gonna buy a ddr4 or ddr5 board?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:50 PM

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DDR4

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:51 PM

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and you are gonna do workloads on that intel system right

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and are on a budget

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so that leaves ryzen out

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that ram kit is OK

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not good but not bad

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it will do the job

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:52 PM

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oki

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I will upgrade later

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:53 PM

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wraith agate holy shit... so if I pick an NZXT case then I am limited to these mobos only

I think it's probably based on specific availability in your country based on the data available to it for scraping.

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As Nhadala said, if you just want to use it for availability, choose like the US site or maybe UK or Germany etc. countries that should have full availability for most parts.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:55 PM

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I guess this is a no go mobo?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 3:56 PM

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I wouldn't do lpx personally, though I'd also consider your target ram size and get the kit once and only once for ddr channel managment purposes

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Mixing 2 "identical" kits can be wonky

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:57 PM

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wraith agate

It likely just means you may need to flash the bios to use the CPU

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Bc 13th gen came out after that board released

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:57 PM

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yup

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:58 PM

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wraith agate I guess this is a no go mobo?

how much is the straight power 11 in your country?

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 3:58 PM

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But if it's newer stock of the board, it's probably already flashed to current bios

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 3:58 PM

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be quiet straight power 11

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:58 PM

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the gold one is not that expensive

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 3:59 PM

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cerulean talon I wouldn't do lpx personally, though I'd also consider your target ram size and ...

it's a kit

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:01 PM

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wraith agate it's a kit

I mean more so in that if you want to go to 64 gb as your final target, doing it as a 64 kit instead of 2x32's tends to be a bit better.

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Rated clock speeds in kits is only valid for if you use /only/ the kit, mixing them will generaly not hit target clocks.

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:02 PM

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Doing it as a 64 kit instead of 4x 16s you mean?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:02 PM

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A 4x16 kit all rated together versus 2x2x16's bought in 2 phases.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:03 PM

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NeekoTomato

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:03 PM

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Also the memory controller strain of populating all 4 slots vs only 2 might be a consideration as well

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:03 PM

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so I should buy instead 2x32?

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 4:03 PM

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wraith agate the gold one is not that expensive

How much is an asrock z690 phantom gaming ddr5 in your country? what about a msi pro z690-A DDR5

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:03 PM

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I'm still against DDR5 tbh.

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:03 PM

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Also also there can be considerations for 1 Rank vs 2 Rank

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:04 PM

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real edge How much is an asrock z690 phantom gaming ddr5 in your country? what about a msi...

only DDR4 versions are available

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:04 PM

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wraith agate so I should buy instead 2x32?

It mostly depends on your /final/ target ram.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:04 PM

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I am fine with 2x32

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it's within the budget

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:04 PM

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I'd get 4x16 over 2x32 if they have kits for it.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:04 PM

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but then I want a recommendation

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:05 PM

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Thankfully, intel isn't /nearly/ as picky as AMD for ram.

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Safe answer is to check the QVL list for your mobo.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:06 PM

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I don't know what's that

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:06 PM

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1s

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Was wrapping up a call a bit ago so a bit behind.

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Only downside to KVM, I can't use my desktop while I'm using my laptop.

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CPU support BIOS list: https://pg.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z690 Phantom Gaming 4/index.asp#CPU
Memory QVL: https://pg.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z690 Phantom Gaming 4/index.asp#Memory

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:07 PM

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I don't really want to do my own homework tbh, I just want a recommendation

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:07 PM

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You don't want my recommendation.

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😄

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:08 PM

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Fair

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:08 PM

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Cuz my DDR4 kits are 1k+ ea.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:08 PM

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yeah I want something affordable

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:08 PM

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wraith agate I don't really want to do my own homework tbh, I just want a recommendation

honestly, you really should, because if we get something wrong and you haven't double checked it, all you'll get from us is 'oh sorry'

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:09 PM

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My issue with LPX is that it's great for low-power systems, but it's not great if you're really pushing clocks.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:09 PM

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well obviously

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:09 PM

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Most people never enable auctual ram speed clocks, so they never notice.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:09 PM

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but I want something a basic standard

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:09 PM

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But then you lose half your ram speed.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:09 PM

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a foundation if you will

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availability and time will tell anyway

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right now I just want to know what is the rough number I need to calculate with

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 4:10 PM

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wraith agate right now I just want to know what is the rough number I need to calculate with

well

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corsair dominator platinum 4x16 DDR4-3600

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cas16

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g skill trident Z ddr4-3600 4x16

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cas16

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etc

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:11 PM

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Dominator tends to be a fine line, expensive, but I've never broken one, which is something to be said in this house.

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:12 PM

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Important interjection:

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!hank

opal pantherBOT Apr 17, 2023, 4:12 PM

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Seno | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/84456937

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:12 PM

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V.important, interjection approved.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:12 PM

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real edge corsair dominator platinum 4x16 DDR4-3600

the dominator looks good, just it seems part picker doesn't have non-RGB versions

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:12 PM

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Roomie chips in vengance, we're a corsair heavy household for memory.

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The non LPX vengance, that is.

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 4:13 PM

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wraith agate the dominator looks good, just it seems part picker doesn't have non-RGB version...

its too expensive tbh

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look up the g skill trident z as well

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:13 PM

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PSU's, I think we're all corsair, with one be quiet for a really heavy machine.

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 4:13 PM

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same cas, same speed

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but

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idk your country

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:14 PM

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so these are the current parts

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with estimated final count

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 4:15 PM

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how much is the be quiet in your country

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dollars

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:16 PM

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wraith agate with estimated final count

oh note this doesn't include the GPU and the memory

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I need to check those

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:16 PM

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real edge how much is the be quiet in your country

roughly the same

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:16 PM

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I have 2x16 corsair vengeance, it's been solid as a rock

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 4:16 PM

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wraith agate roughly the same

180$?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:16 PM

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yes

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:16 PM

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I wish software developers auctually optimized code so 16/32 gb was reasonable ;.;

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 4:17 PM

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ok good

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:17 PM

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also dominator is apparently only exists with RGB and 2x32

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 4:17 PM

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check the gskill as well

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trident Z

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4x16 cl16 3600mhz

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:17 PM

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I prefer 4x16 to 2x32, but that's really more of a personal thing.

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 4:18 PM

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well

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4x16 is guaranteed to be dual rank

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over single rank

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which matters slightly

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but that might be my ryzen brain speaking

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idk how important it is for intel

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:19 PM

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g.skill is no go

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:19 PM

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it matters some, but not nearly as much in general. Intel it's more important to make sure XMP works.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:19 PM

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only 2x8 and 2x16

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:20 PM

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g.skill is basically the standard for ram these days?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:20 PM

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I mean, g.skill's trash imo, but it's fine if you're not slamming it to death.

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:20 PM

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I thought they had different grades for how aggressive you wanted to go

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:20 PM

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since imo I'll go to 128gb one day

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:20 PM

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Some of their higher end lines are fine, but at that point I'd just get corsair.

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:20 PM

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it's not like they make the fuckin chips lmao

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:20 PM

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I might just get the 2x32

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:20 PM

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they're all sk hynix or samsung haha

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:20 PM

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wraith agate since imo I'll go to 128gb one day

Tbh, I wouldn't.

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128gig is not as important as it seems unless you are just absolutely dumb like me.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:21 PM

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don't underestimate me Impala

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:21 PM

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And leave 300 browser tabs open, or have a fetish for using electron apps, at which point, nothing can redeem you.

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 4:21 PM

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I am fine with my old 2x8 kit

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:21 PM

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cerulean talon 128gig is not as important as it seems unless you are just absolutely dumb like ...

it really isn't a thing in the year of the affixed god 2023

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:21 PM

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but yeah, 2x32 gb seems the only one option

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:21 PM

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you need to be doing insane matrix operations to justify that much memory space, windows will just ignore it most of the time

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:21 PM

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for now

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:21 PM

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you don't have that much shit open lmao

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:22 PM

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time will tell

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:22 PM

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umbral moss you don't have that much shit open lmao

I think I've got a screenshot of edge using 70 gig of ram.

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:22 PM

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even with 250 tabs in firefox firefox will implode under its own weight long before the memory leaks actually use 128GB haha

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:22 PM

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So yes, yes i t will. 😄

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It does require bad tab hygene to let it get that bad tho.

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IMO 64 is a good sweet spot, as you move to 128, your clocks start to drop, so it's ever so slightly less snappy compared to a higher clock, lower latency 4x16 kit.

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:23 PM

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I usually only have that many tabs open when I start to hoard stuff I want to buy but can't afford

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"next month" x25

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:23 PM

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Oh, or if you use java apps, that's another good way to get it to eat your ram.

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Software documentation is my poison.

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"I'll just leave up this gomod's docs" x 300.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:24 PM

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Right now, if I calculate everything, rough estimate says this many dollars

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which means I still have 900 USD of wiggle room

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I'd say

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this is pretty grounded

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it's a good PC

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not the cream de la cream

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:25 PM

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Isn't the 980 pro the current failing line for samsung? I know there's one out there that's iffy, but can't recall which offhand.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:25 PM

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but it is good

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:25 PM

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cerulean talon Isn't the 980 pro the current failing line for samsung? I know there's one out ...

apparently they fixed the firmware so the 980s and 990s don't shit the bed anymore

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:25 PM

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Also, you should consider bulk storage drives for your game assets that aren't a NVMe.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:26 PM

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yeah sure but how much is a 2TB HDD?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:26 PM

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umbral moss apparently they fixed the firmware so the 980s and 990s don't shit the bed anymo...

Ah, excellent.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:26 PM

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$50?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:26 PM

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wraith agate yeah sure but how much is a 2TB HDD?

I'd do 4-8 tb of SSD's in a softraid.

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:26 PM

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that's a lot of dead silicon waiting to happen sad

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:26 PM

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Like a 5 or something so when you forget to backup, a single drive failure doesn't erase all your work.

real edge Apr 17, 2023, 4:27 PM

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or if you go the normal person route, get two 1tb ssds

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:27 PM

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Because right now, when that nvme explodes, you lose /everything/

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:27 PM

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8TB nvme SSD raid 5

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casually spending $25,000 on SSDs

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:27 PM

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hey now

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:27 PM

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NVMe != SSD.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:27 PM

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why are these so drastically different

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:27 PM

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I'm talking sata SSD's, sheesh.

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:27 PM

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they still make those?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:27 PM

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Of course they do.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:27 PM

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cerulean talon Because right now, when that nvme explodes, you lose /everything/

if it explodes idgaf because that means my whole PC is goodbye

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:28 PM

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I thought SATA basically died after boards started making bootable onboard nvme

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:28 PM

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wraith agate if it explodes idgaf because that means my whole PC is goodbye

That is a terrible way to treat data. 😛

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:28 PM

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since that's really the only thing you use nvme for

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:28 PM

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umbral moss I thought SATA basically died after boards started making bootable onboard nvme

No? SSD's are still a primary storage technique for any relatively large data, aka databases.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:28 PM

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have you tried recovering data from a PC that blown up?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:28 PM

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Yes.

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And done it successfully many times with well planned drive layouts.

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Any project I remotely give a damn about goes onto some sort of soft raid 5.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:29 PM

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cerulean talon I'd do 4-8 tb of SSD's in a softraid.

HDD is fine

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:29 PM

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Sata SSD's are cheap, usually 75-100$ per TB for the /nice/ ones, throw 4 of em into a raid 5, enjoy your 2tb of SSD backed storage.

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I use teamgroups these days, and they're fine for the abuse I put on them.

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:31 PM

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Going all out with the 1000W PSU huh

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:31 PM

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I'd be fine with replacing my ancient 2TB WDs with SSDs

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fast fast fast fast pogianger

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:32 PM

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If you're doing game design, you really don't want potentially months or years of work going poof.

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Hardware raid is kinda dead these days, isn't it?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:32 PM

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cerulean talon Sata SSD's are cheap, usually 75-100$ per TB for the /nice/ ones, throw 4 of em ...

sata 6.0 gb/s?

dull garnet Apr 17, 2023, 4:33 PM

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i like crucial mx500

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:33 PM

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modest moss <@54695380410966016> did you buy DDR4 or 5?

DDR5

dull garnet Apr 17, 2023, 4:33 PM

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bought a bunch

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:33 PM

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But yeah, you could get away with raid5 of cheap SSDs and still do it pretty cheaply

dull garnet Apr 17, 2023, 4:33 PM

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tlc and dram

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:33 PM

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is this good?

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:34 PM

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Drop the PSU to like an 850 and use the difference for more SSDs.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:34 PM

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I still have 900 USD to spend

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I think if I get 2 of these, I'm still fine

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:35 PM

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That is a good point, dram cache is nice but is it absolutely necessary?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:35 PM

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and that leaves me with 6 GB of storage

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:35 PM

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I've got a 970 Evo that probably doesn't have dram cache and its plenty fast

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The point of Raid5 is redundancy, not total storage

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:35 PM

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hmm

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:36 PM

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Although I suppose you could just get two and mirror

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:36 PM

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I don't do anything mission critical with my PC anymore

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like, it just plays video games

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:36 PM

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It's a cheaper option, but would at least mean if one of the two went belly up, you would have a copy.

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Would still be wise to have a periodic backup offsite for at least the most critical files

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:37 PM

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also Be quiet 850 platinum (the only 850w one) is 205 USD

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:38 PM

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you don't need platinum

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how much is 850w corsair gold

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:38 PM

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I have the 860i and it works fine

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I considered getting the 850W MSI MEG thing but I'm fairly certain I'll never actually use that wearycarby

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:39 PM

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modest moss how much is 850w corsair gold

be quiet pure power 12 M 850W gold is only 190 USD

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so unsure if that difference even worth it

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:40 PM

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Corsair RM850x ?

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:40 PM

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more expensive than the platinum

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:40 PM

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190 still seems a lot for a PSU

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:40 PM

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interesting, it's cheaper here

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:41 PM

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odd sand 190 still seems a lot for a PSU

it's 850W

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plus tax

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things tend to be expensive here

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:42 PM

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This is the one I got for example

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:42 PM

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anyway, rough head count puts me at 2300 USD with all the SSDs

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well

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with two of them

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should I really get 5?

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:42 PM

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do you need monitor

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:42 PM

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5 SSDs???

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:43 PM

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I have an okayish 1440p 144hz one

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:43 PM

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then no

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:43 PM

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samsung

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the curvy one

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:43 PM

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He was being advised to do Raid5 is why

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:43 PM

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buying 5 SSDs seems excessive

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:43 PM

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I think she could get away with just a mirror

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:43 PM

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she

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:44 PM

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just back up important shit to the cloud and an external

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:44 PM

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I have been contemplating on turning mom's old PC into a server

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:44 PM

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SSDs rarely fail and if they do it’s almost always writes that go first

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:44 PM

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well Impala says my PC will explode

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:44 PM

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That is also an option. backup to external hdd

modest moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:45 PM

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Impala is a tech extremist

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:45 PM

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SSDs die by total drive writes and I guarantee the one full drive write you're going to do in your PC's lifetime won't get you there lmao

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:45 PM

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yeah

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but at the same time

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2 SSD with 2 TB each seems necessary

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at least

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:45 PM

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Yeah they’ll last like 10 years of moderate use and even then you’ll still be able to read the contents

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:45 PM

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modest moss Impala is a tech extremist

you really can't listen to him because he spends $35k on custom fiber optic network for his nebulous "contract work"

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:45 PM

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I didn't drop /that/ much on my fibernet.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:45 PM

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LMAO

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:45 PM

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I think you’re better off buying an NVME drive and then buy a cheap secondary drive

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:46 PM

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Also, RAID-5 is 4 drives.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:46 PM

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deep sapphire I think you’re better off buying an NVME drive and then buy a cheap secondary dr...

well each drive here is like 78 USD

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:46 PM

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I use RAID 7

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:46 PM

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that's cheap for 2 TB

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:46 PM

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ChadHeadphones

odd sand Apr 17, 2023, 4:46 PM

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Grass fed NON-GMO artisanal fiber cabling

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:46 PM

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I just let the drives die pogianger

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:46 PM

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Also, the big reason I'm overall suggesting it rather than a hdd/etc is that's where I'd drop a ton of the assets for your builds.

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Which is going to perform many I/O commands.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:46 PM

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cerulean talon Also, the big reason I'm overall suggesting it rather than a hdd/etc is that's w...

THIS

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:46 PM

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odd sand Grass fed NON-GMO artisanal fiber cabling

monocrystalline oxygen-free cryotreated POM fiber

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:47 PM

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I do agree on the extra SSDs because streaming assets from storage to usage is PAIN

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:47 PM

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The stuff I have is practically plastic fishing line.

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:47 PM

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cerulean talon The stuff I have is practically plastic fishing line.

yes, that's what POM fiber is lmao

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:47 PM

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I dunno I still don’t see the point of a raid setup for anything other than very niche cases

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:47 PM

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Oh, hah.

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:47 PM

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An NVME drive would perform much faster in most cases

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:47 PM

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game development is a very niche case, Hank

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:47 PM

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the really high grade stuff is actually glass fiber

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:47 PM

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and there's an NVME too

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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Oh I saw SATA6

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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but it's not flexible in the diameters you're talking about concernedkeiko

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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the SATA SSD is for storage purely

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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That’s what I was suggesting yeah

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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Ye, the boot disk/app disks, etc are NVMe, but the bulk datastore for assets is SSD.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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deep sapphire That’s what I was suggesting yeah

we too

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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I thought you were gonna buy 2 SATA6 drives lol

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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crye

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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Plz, I don't design trash systems unless I'm specifically asked to.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:48 PM

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cerulean talon Plz, I don't design trash systems unless I'm specifically asked to.

I am a raccoon, design me a trash system

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:49 PM

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wraith agate I am a raccoon, design me a trash system

Lemme go find you a celeron real quick.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:49 PM

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YESSS

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:49 PM

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AMD Duron

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:49 PM

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also if you can fashion me a PC case that looks like a garbage can I pay extra

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:49 PM

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ChadHeadphones

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:49 PM

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Nah, get a barton core.

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:49 PM

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pentium 3 celeron pogianger

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:49 PM

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And a pencil for overclocking. GigaChad

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:50 PM

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Now we’re talkin

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:50 PM

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NeekekW_rewuyuu

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:50 PM

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Athlon XP

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ChadHeadphones

dull garnet Apr 17, 2023, 4:50 PM

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odd sand That is a good point, dram cache is nice but is it absolutely necessary?

considering it isn't usually that big a premium, yes. it eases wear on your flash

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:50 PM

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umbral moss pentium 3 celeron <:pogianger:745694828825673828>

I remember when pentium 2 was the best

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👵

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no wait

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that doesn't look old enough

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:50 PM

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I feel old having used a 386.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:50 PM

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👴

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:50 PM

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Pentium 2 was pretty short lived and was only really found in workstations

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PC tech moved way too fast back then

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:50 PM

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cerulean talon I feel old having used a 386.

I had a tandy desktop with 4MB of system ram

dull garnet Apr 17, 2023, 4:51 PM

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pentium 3 chads rise up

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:51 PM

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umbral moss I had a tandy desktop with 4MB of system ram

Oh good, I don't feel /that/ old now.

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:51 PM

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Spend 4 grand on a desktop for it to become obsolete in 3 years

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:51 PM

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cerulean talon Oh good, I don't feel /that/ old now.

state of the art, 1991

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:51 PM

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I remember when I got my first dual core CPU

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:51 PM

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pogianger

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:51 PM

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deep sapphire Spend 4 grand on a desktop for it to become obsolete in 3 years

Nah, spend 10k, get an epyc nods

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:51 PM

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Like I’d give AMD any money

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cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 4:51 PM

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I'm really having to resist the urge to buy a 9xxx epyc.

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But it's a terrible spend, even for the insanity I like.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:51 PM

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deep sapphire

why is Nazuna so hot?

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:51 PM

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I dunno

dull garnet Apr 17, 2023, 4:52 PM

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umbral moss <:pogianger:745694828825673828>

same, ran it with a 50% overclock 24/7

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 4:52 PM

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gives me gender envy

dull garnet Apr 17, 2023, 4:52 PM

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huge upgrade over my p4 630

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pentium 4 was shiiiiiiiiiiiit

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:52 PM

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umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 4:52 PM

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I always wanted a thunderbird because they overclocked so fuckin far

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like +150% over shipping frequency on a golden sample

dull garnet Apr 17, 2023, 4:53 PM

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deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:53 PM

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The 2600K IMO will always be the OV champ

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OC

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:53 PM

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dull garnet

Nice defective quad core

dull garnet Apr 17, 2023, 4:53 PM

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unlocks 4th core

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uwucarby

deep sapphire Apr 17, 2023, 4:53 PM

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Remember when ASUS allowed you to unlock it yeah lmao

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Granted that only worked sometimes

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You could get screwed

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Phenom II was decent but sandybridge was right around the corner

fair parcel Apr 17, 2023, 5:01 PM

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!hank

opal pantherBOT Apr 17, 2023, 5:02 PM

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とあ | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/93994347

fair parcel Apr 17, 2023, 5:02 PM

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wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:03 PM

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anyway

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thanks guys

fair parcel Apr 17, 2023, 5:05 PM

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glad I could help

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:06 PM

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Always glad to help plan new builds.

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Usually more fun than building the stupid things these days. 😄

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 5:07 PM

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yeah

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I've been looking at mechanical keyboard stuff for like two weeks now

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mostly because planning builds is lots of fun, actually doing the work sucks

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:08 PM

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ohgod The worst experience I had was assembling one and installing the diodes backwards. I have from that point, just gotten pre-assembled PCB's with hotswap sockets for switches.

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 5:08 PM

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haha

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:09 PM

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They were correctly oriented, on the wrong side of the PCB.

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 5:09 PM

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I've been trying to get my hands on a 108-key PCB but apparently MKB nerds literally only buy 40 key PCBs for some fuckin reason

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there's only one or two full keyboard PCBs in existence, the rest are 65% or smaller

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:10 PM

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I like a TKL a bit more now, but the 65's are awful, I like the full insert block of 6 keys.

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 5:10 PM

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I use the keypad a lot because that's how I do number entry

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so TKL really annoys me

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:11 PM

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Ahhh, yarp, I've got an external numpad, but it's not used /that/ heavily

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 5:11 PM

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apparently keychron makes a separate numpad with all the ancillary buttons, but like, why should I spend an extra $90 when I can get a full keyboard instead sad

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especially since I just want the PCB so I can build a keyboard body myself

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 5:12 PM

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Makes sense. I'm running some 50$ amazon one that's got all the normal keys + 3, including a backspace key, which I was sorely missing when I use the numpad.

hollow hamlet Apr 17, 2023, 5:17 PM

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dull garnet same, ran it with a 50% overclock 24/7

wtf is CPU-Z the cequel to DBZ? CeobeConfused

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I have uhhhh, like 4 different CPU/GPU temp monitors, and they all produce different numbers.

wraith agate Apr 17, 2023, 5:18 PM

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fair parcel glad I could help

you weren't even here

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 5:22 PM

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wraith agate you weren't even here

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

Tenor

fair parcel Apr 17, 2023, 5:25 PM

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wraith agate you weren't even here

modrnSAD

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 6:10 PM

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@cerulean talon 310watt idle

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0_0

umbral moss Apr 17, 2023, 6:12 PM

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aiyo, sarah, where do you get your keyboard pcbs from?

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I'm sure I'm looking in the wrong place for a 108 key

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 6:15 PM

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Just the PCBs?

cerulean talon Apr 17, 2023, 6:15 PM

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potent arrow <@125367267683860480> 310watt idle

NOMNOMNOM WATTTTTTS

potent arrow Apr 17, 2023, 6:15 PM

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I order my own lmfao

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Otherwise I order full keebs

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I have been using a PCB of my own design using ZMK and an stm32

inland mauve Apr 17, 2023, 11:48 PM

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fuck iso audits fuck iso audits fuck iso audits

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do we really need to be iso 27001 certified

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is it worth my sanity

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https://tenor.com/view/cat-vibe-funny-cat-kitty-gif-23972363

Tenor

odd sand Apr 18, 2023, 12:07 AM

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I also just had a dept come to me for audit info suddenly they probably knew about for months, but now they need to know it right nao

inland mauve Apr 18, 2023, 12:21 AM

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i have the opposite problem where i informed a department about the audit weeks in advance and the day before their interview they go ah fuck ah shit

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cheekyhanzo

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that's just corporate life i guess, people have too much to do so they prioritize what they know over what they don't until shit hits the fan

odd sand Apr 18, 2023, 12:40 AM

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Well, they had a half-assed request so they received a half-assed reply for info that we could throw together in like 2hrs

late basalt Apr 18, 2023, 12:50 AM

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inland mauve that's just corporate life i guess, people have too much to do so they prioritiz...

More like it’s an issue of “is it an immediate problem? No? Don’t give a fuck” followed by “IMMEDIATE PROBLEM, PANIK”

odd sand Apr 18, 2023, 12:52 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/panik-kalm-calm-meme-memer-gif-20895926

Tenor

sly elk Apr 18, 2023, 1:56 AM

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man

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that lincoln nautilus is gonna be terrible for short people to drive lol

potent arrow Apr 18, 2023, 1:58 AM

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I'm 4'9" can I drive that

sly elk Apr 18, 2023, 1:59 AM

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of course!

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https://tenor.com/view/old-lady-driving-old-lady-grandma-grandma-driving-gif-12758215

Tenor

old lady driving

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