technology-discussion

[torpid kayak]

handmade baskets?

[sly elk]

idk about baskets at walmart but I do know that when it comes to computer parts, the stuff that is most likely hand-assembled is the CHEAP stuff

like usb flash sticks

because building a huge highly-automated assembly line can be kinda expensive

[torpid kayak]

handmade usb hdd drive

[sly elk]

LOL

that reminds me

jeep did something like this in their newer wrangler steering wheels

[torpid kayak]

I expect "handmade" AI that looks like proper AI at first, but it only has fixed answers :3

[sly elk]

same exact wheel but it has a bolt-in weight in the hub

[kindred brook]

its 850 right now

300 bucks out of pocket with my visa gift card

I think I should wait for something better still

[torpid kayak]

wooden audi

human for scale

[pastel tapir]

Hey Linux nerds, which command gives timestamps for icmp requests

I tried ping -D (target IP) and its not working

Then i tried ping -T tsonly (target IP) and that no work either

[sly elk]

no ty

[void dove]

that should work, as per the man page, so if it doesn't, you may have to figure it out yourself. for whatever specific distro you are using

assuming its not some cut down distro, you should be able to pull up the man page on the device itself, or try a --help

if its cutdown the feature may not exist on that version

[sly elk]

transparent keycaps

NEAT

[pastel tapir]

I figured it out. My lab wanted me to use hping 13

[void dove]

so you can see all the gamer "essence" build up under the keys.

gamer "seasoning" 😛

consists mostly of dorito dust and grease

[sly elk]

oh wuuut

weird.

i got my mom a screen light bar thingy and liked the idea myself so i ordered one too, went with the slightly jazzier model because it said it'd fit curved screens better

but uh

y u do that benq

the bracket on the cheaper model doesn't go all the way around

so you get this nice not-interrupted beam of light

i like all the yellow

[sly walrus]

too clear

cannot deal

[lost python]

stay strong. dont buy the samsung

[sly elk]

@deep sapphire of COURSE it's a ford

[sharp star]

Buying Samsung is for the weak

[sly elk]

scamsung

apparently the iphone 15 is going to get rid of physical buttons 😦

[lost python]

disgusting

watch them bring it back years later as an innovative feature

[real bone]

the power button too ?

[wide hill]

iphone 16 is going to be removing the screen

or

iphone 16 is going to be removing the charging port, only wireless charging allowed

[sharp star]

iPhone 17 will remove your wallet

[livid dune]

iphone already doing that

[royal forge]

!hank

[opal panther]

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[torpid kayak]

https://i.imgur.com/bWHOAvm.png what does "tune too load" mean?

we are talking about fan speed adjustment. There are some terms I don't understand 🤔

oh he edited it. He means "best not tune too low" XD

[livid dune]

dusting off once a WEEK?

Sounds excessive

[sharp star]

unless you live with a Corgi then dusting off once a week is excessive

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-to-retail-at-599

Wait, is this actually reasonable 40 series card pricing?

[torpid kayak]

don't live with a corgi, but likely to bring some dog hair into the room cuz I visit my dog often 😛

[sharp star]

I live with two dogs that fucking shed

[torpid kayak]

though I will leave the dusting to the shop. It offers free dusting for first year after purchase

[royal forge]

FUCK OFF WINDOWS

I DONT WANT 11

[sharp star]

Microsoft: "no"

[royal forge]

they just have it as a splash screen when i logged in

MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE DID THE STUPID TASKBAR IN THE MIDDLE

MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE LOOKED LIKE YOU RIPPED OFF APPLE

[deep sapphire]

!hank

[opal panther]

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[deep sapphire]

blocks your path

Buying Radeon in my chat?

LMAO

[tame tartan]

i mean, yeah, pretty much

[sharp star]

https://youtu.be/Zc9oRKexV_s

[umbral moss]

uh, no lmao

$599 for what used to be a $200 part

at best

[potent arrow]

I'm still waiting for atxvo already:(

[lost python]

You can disable that and move it back though

[royal forge]

i know..

i'd rather it fucks off till im willing to upgrade

[lost python]

[real edge]

sad

my 1070 costed 400 something years ago

and had actual good performance

:x

[deep sapphire]

Lmao that’s what I’m still rocking

Maybe this will drive the rest of the lineup down in price

[real edge]

hopium

7900xtx is 1000$ in the US

while the 4080 remains 1200$

that is also an incentive

[deep sapphire]

The 4070Ti is just all around a terrible value

I hate Radeon but fuck sakes for the same price almost you get more performance and near double the vram

[royal forge]

still uggo

!hank

[opal panther]

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[deep sapphire]

!hank

[opal panther]

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[real edge]

ngl I am kinda hoping to see you get a radeon gpu somehow(6000/7000 series) so that you can criticize it, would be interesting to see your real opinion after testing it cause you are the biggest critic

[royal forge]

the heck is that

[deep sapphire]

I’ll never buy another Radeon card again LOL

My 5970 was such an awful experience

Very fast card for the time

But it BSOD’d way too often

[real edge]

yea but it has been a decade or more since then that is why I am curious for the most part

[deep sapphire]

My friend Chaz had nothing but problems with his 5700XT as well and I had to help him multiple times, yes I know it’s anecdotal but from personal experience AMD drivers even today aren’t that great

I have no problem with people buying them it’s your money

But I work a lot, I wanna enjoy my free time not troubleshooting my PC lmao

I also owned a 4870 but that was mostly trouble free ownership aside from my dumbass pairing it with a Phenom 64 for gaming lmao

[real edge]

from what I see online if you just want to game and browse the internet then the current AMD gpus are more than fine but the more complicated you make your setup the more problems arise, such as if you have multiple displays or watch hardware accelerated content while gaming

also if you do not DDU the old drivers before installing the gpu and install your own drivers offline before windows can install its own there are also problems

[deep sapphire]

Right

I’ve had good luck with nvidia and I can afford them so that’s just what I go with

It’s like if you bought a shitty car from a brand

Sure maybe they got better over the years

But are you gonna trust them? Probably not

I know europe gets fucked on nvidia prices so I totally understand going AMD

[torpid kayak]

wow, this is 3080 price in my place

[real edge]

the 4080 costs 1200 euro and the 4090 costs 1670 euro here right now, the 4070ti costs 900euro

the 7900xt costs 830euro and the 7900xtx costs 1100 euro all after taxes

[torpid kayak]

at this point, i feel 12GB VRAM+ a should for investment

[real edge]

so the prices for nvidia are not unreasonable given how much they cost retail in the US

but we do not have open box stuff here

well

the 1070 had 8gb in 2016

we're in 2023 and the 4070ti has 12

very small uplift given how many generations apart the two are

[torpid kayak]

cry in 3070-3070 ti, both 8GB

GPU with VRAM slots and VRAM sticks, when?

apps use vram? 😮

[real edge]

game application 15gigs

[torpid kayak]

hm

can you download more VRAM?

[real edge]

if you want cheap vram than amd has the gpus for that right now at a reasonable price point

used 6800xt or something has to be at or below 500$ nowdays

[royal forge]

!hank

[opal panther]

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[torpid kayak]

out of stock? D:

I think I gonna get one the moment it comes, as long as it doesn't price at US$800, lol

[real edge]

6900xt/6950xt is also like uhh

700euro or sth now?

[lost python]

ye depends on the region

sometimes less

have seen a 6900xt for like 620 already

new

[real edge]

and the 6700xt is 350euro

SEE NVIDIA, REASONABLE PRICES HMMMMMMMMMM

that is not bad

the 6950xt is like a 3090/3090ti but without the raytracing

I have seen 3090s for 830euro new in greece tho

which is weird

that is a bit too pricey

[lost python]

848 after taxes would actually be a good price

fucking taxes

[real edge]

wtf

[lost python]

yep

over here its so bad when you move out of the low-income bracket because taxes skyrocket. so like, jumping from 18k a year to 30k is huge but 30-50k is a tiny jump because the taxes increase so much

[real edge]

3k a year gang

mighty

but somehow I can still afford to build my pc

wtf

[lost python]

you dont have to pay for anything really and you save up your money for years

[real edge]

4gigs of vram on those? something seems wrong

my system does not use much vram automatically

[lost python]

the more ram you got, the more ram windows will eat

[real edge]

vram tho?

[lost python]

ye

[potent arrow]

Fuck electron

[torpid kayak]

squint eye
will this metal mesh front of Antec DF700 Flux works well as a dust filter too? Am considering between this case and 4000D Airflow that has a proper frontal dust filter.
https://i.imgur.com/QXwoRAN.png

dust can be a problem in my room

[uneven spade]

more like since Vista. DWM was introduced with that one but kept on changing with each new release for a good reason

7's DWM was complete trash

[torpid kayak]

https://9to5toys.com/2023/02/28/corsair-4000-wooden-panels/

damn US$55

[golden stream]

wood
slapp on for a e s t h e t i c
not even cat proof
$55

[torpid kayak]

just get rid of the cat :3

weeaboo RAM

I thought it is Cirno from Touhou Project

[golden stream]

oh ADATA stuff

[torpid kayak]

turns out just some chibi

[golden stream]

nahhhh copyright

yeston has some really cute waifu GPU tho

NAISU

is dat yours?

USB port powered via port on PC?

[torpid kayak]

more expensive than 4090

[golden stream]

ahhhh I see

ngl this shroud is CUTE

[torpid kayak]

inb4 someone peels the intrusion parts 😄

[golden stream]

this is le waifu btw

like ngl I kinda get sick of edgey design card
sleek cards and waifu cards where

[torpid kayak]

husbando card where 😄

[golden stream]

YE ^

actually
how2getahusbando: trap em w beef GPU

ez

[torpid kayak]

kinda wish waifu case has more than just printed waifu image on case panels 🤔

[golden stream]

hmmm ngl theme build is a bit tricky

like beside stickers, cases, parts are generally generic stuff

[torpid kayak]

I think this face can make a cool frontal intrusion part of an anime case

but not waifu so pass

[golden stream]

IKR

[umbral moss]

because the QA team is the same as razer's

the customer

it's more efficient that way, you get more testing hours and configurations for no capital expense

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[dull garnet]

game devs do that too 🤷

[umbral moss]

video game QA testing

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-dow-gif-24856862

[dull garnet]

I read that it was anything but 🤔

[real edge]

decent release where

cause certainly not on PC

[umbral moss]

ok nexus poster

it's fine as long as you mod the game and fix the dev's fuckups for them

[dull garnet]

i already beat it on ps3, and then ps4

wild that it was remade twice

2 is a better game imo

controversial

[minor hollow]

2 plays better tho

Like, mechanically its pretty much improvement all around

I haven't played tlou1 since maybe 2014/2015 tho

[dull garnet]

yeah mechanically it is way better

I think the new remaster might have adopted the gameplay?

[torpid kayak]

Is ASUS TUF Gaming TF120 ARGB okay as case fans? Or should i opt for cooler master sickleflow 120 (a bit more pricey) or corsair icue rgb ( x2 the price of asus one).

[dull garnet]

for cheap fans I would look at Arctic Cooling P12 PWM

[torpid kayak]

No available 😦

[dull garnet]

o-oh

[torpid kayak]

There is also a thermaltake duo. The other 3 are all 3 fan pack

[dull garnet]

that's really funny considering they cost so much

£5 Arctic Cooling fan chad

[dull garnet]

I wouldn't worry too much, they'd all be suitable as case fans. Difference between performance should be pretty minimal in modern fans

make sure what you get is PWM though

not certain that is standard

[deep sapphire]

Welp, I’m blowing 4 grand at micro center later

[cerulean talon]

Speeeecs!

[dull garnet]

chad status revoked

[odd sand]

LMAO Corsair sees the Fractal North popping off and is like: MOVE ALL STONKS INTO WOOD!

[torpid kayak]

Marble case when

[deep sapphire]

4090 with 13700K and a 48” LG C2

This was a steal

It’s 1000 bucks everywhere else, I’ll take an open box to save almost 250 bucks

[real edge]

hm

[deep sapphire]

This will be a MASSIVE upgrade

1070 to 4090

That’s like 6x the performance rofl

[inland mauve]

as someone who recently bought a 4090

you are not prepared

no matter how big you think it is, it's bigger

[deep sapphire]

Lmao I believe it

[real edge]

1600$ for a 4090, 800$ for TV, 2400$ total, how is the rest of the system 1600$? Intels not that expensive is it

[deep sapphire]

Need cpu, board, ram, new case yadda yadda

[inland mauve]

are you getting a psu with a 12vhpwr connector? because I wish I had done that

[deep sapphire]

I’m not reusing anything

[inland mauve]

because you don't want to bend that cable too much

also need a wide case for that reason

[deep sapphire]

Yeah I’m gonna see what they have available

[inland mauve]

or the 90 degree adapter from CableMod

[deep sapphire]

I’m gonna see if micro center has a price guarantee cause the 7800X 3D is coming out and maybe Intel will drop prices

My case is very old and in bad condition

[real edge]

they certainly will

[deep sapphire]

I bought the fucker back in 2010

It’s massive and very heavy

I don’t want it

[real edge]

the 7800X3D will be the new king at like 450$ no way they will keep price the same

[deep sapphire]

Yeah

I may wait but being I’m playing at 4K I doubt it’ll matter much

Hence why I’m not gonna bother getting a 13900

[real edge]

3d vcache is pretty good on some titles 4K or not

[inland mauve]

I looked at comparisons between the 13700K and the 13900K, and the 900 does not seem worth it over the 700 for how much more expensive it is

[deep sapphire]

Right

It’s on sale at micro center too

So it’s kind of a no brainer

[inland mauve]

yeah that's valid

[real edge]

I do think not getting the 7800X3D is a bit of a waste on a new system if you are spending that much on it but if the 13700k is on a big discount then it might push it over the edge.

I do think that it will blow everything out of the water in gaming

no competition

unless its a 7950x3d with a ccd disabled

[deep sapphire]

Well, I don’t see the 7800X3D doing nearly as well in production

And I do play around with 3D rendering sometimes

[real edge]

ohh

[deep sapphire]

But we’ll see

I may wait

I’m getting the TV no matter what

[real edge]

it is a steal at that price

I wish we had open box stuff in greece

the 7800x3d comes out in ... 7 days (6th of april)

I would suggest waiting to see benchmarks from reviewers

up to you

[dull garnet]

AMD...

[real edge]

the CPUs are really good now

[golden stream]

their GPU is uhhhhh

linux is fine but Windows is weird

[real edge]

GPUs are also considered good but its definitely a step outside of peoples comfort zone for a lot of folk

[lime wasp]

So, question time;

7900 XTX system

or

4080 System for $230 more?

(Powering a 4k 120hz monitor)

[real edge]

the 4080 is overall weaker than the 7900xtx in rasterization

but the 4080 is stronger in ray tracing performance

so you are paying 230$ more for nvidia tax/comfort + somewhat better ray tracing

[golden stream]

Depend on your need and your system of choice

[real edge]

whether those two things are worth 230$ is up to you and your own personal situation

[lime wasp]

See it'd be nice to have Raytracing, but I don't think many of the games I play/want to play on PC have it since I've never tried due to my 3080 absolutely tanking when it's turned on.

Like I think Darktide and 2042 have it, and Cyberpunk + Elden Ring (neither of which I've gotten to yet) have it.

[dull garnet]

vs Intel tho?

[graceful pine]

They were better than intel a couple years ago

Don’t know about the current models though

[dull garnet]

It's a fine balance. You'll really want to deploy DLSS when using it on a 3080

[graceful pine]

Well like a year ago

[dull garnet]

I finished Cyberpunk with RT on a 3060 Ti

[lime wasp]

They perform about the same, but AMD draws less power and generates less heat (especially with the x3D ones).

[dull garnet]

I haven't really looked in a while admittedly

What has most frames in gamez

[graceful pine]

It was like 2 years ago I think that amd really destroyed intel in one generation of CPU’s

[dull garnet]

Yeah I have a zen 3

[lime wasp]

Intel 13900k, but only like....4 more on average than the new 7950x3D.

At a cost of like 2x the power draw and way more heat.

[dull garnet]

Who is price performance champ rn

That's what I care about

[potent arrow]

-_____-

I think my CPU is dead ._.

[odd sand]

I associate marble with tacky faux riche asian styles

[potent arrow]

I don't have anything to replace it either

I do have a 1300x....

[odd sand]

A lot of that marble veneer on stuff in asian homes and businesses, and it's either very thin or made of plastic lol

[potent arrow]

But I don't even want to know what that'll do to my 3060ti

[odd sand]

Sarah has an entire room of PC parts but nothing to use personally? heh

[potent arrow]

I'm broke

It'll just take away from my wallet lol

I can wait a bit and just use my laptop

I pay for tuition next month, then I can see what I have left to work with

[odd sand]

?

[potent arrow]

Ameriiicaaaaan$$$$$$

[odd sand]

Oh right you are from Syrupland

[potent arrow]

Mmmm actually

I

Maybe I know where to find something not shit

I think I have a few Apus I rehomed

[odd sand]

CPUs are less risky than GPUs on buying used imho and if you have AMD you obviously know there is a wide gulf of chips you could pick from then

[potent arrow]

Maybe one of those?

It'll still be bottlenecked

But can't be as bad as a 1300x lmfao

[odd sand]

Well sure, but it's still something until you have more money

I've got a Core i3 3220 if you had an intel board heh

[potent arrow]

I'm build a new system soon tbh that's why I'm so stingy

Lol it's aight, appreciate it though

I dug this hole, I fill it

[odd sand]

I do like that we've gone over the peak of what the average person needs so like the only reason I updated my parent's PC is I think the mobo was failing after 10 years

[potent arrow]

In a month or two I'll get enough cash to find a 7950x or 3D or w/e

[odd sand]

It's a cheap ECgroup board so it cold boots to login screen in 3 seconds

[potent arrow]

My parents PC is just a gen 1 nucc

It will be replaced when it finally crumbles to dust

[odd sand]

Yep. I didn't want to deal with diagnosing the issue, so my mom said to just upgrade it.

I had an extra HSF I didn't use in my server build bc it was too big and I bought a microatx board again and a 12100F

[potent arrow]

That works lmfao

I dont want to go bigger then a nucc

[odd sand]

Yep it was like $100 for the CPU

[potent arrow]

Or the HP variant

For my parents lol

[golden stream]

Lol

Pi lel

[odd sand]

It's a mini tower case so it's pretty small and they have an unused bedroom it's at so its np

[potent arrow]

Because if it breaks I can throw it across the street and buy a new one for pennies

[odd sand]

In the US I can just drop it off at Bestbuy and they recycle for free

[potent arrow]

Towers have like

Way too many parts in it

Lmfao and its too big for my parents

The nucc is zipped tied to the vesa mount

[odd sand]

https://www.newegg.com/black-fractal-design-core-1000-micro-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352032

[golden stream]

That's some wacky solution ngl but it works

[odd sand]

That's actually a pretty common thing for businesses and such

The pizza place I worked at used strips of industrial strapping and screwed them into the wall

[potent arrow]

Yep, there are proper vesa mounts for nuccs

But uh

Zipties.

[golden stream]

It works, no complain tho

[odd sand]

This cut into strips, looped around the SFF cases from Dell and screwed to the wall

[golden stream]

A bit weird but ok

[potent arrow]

Ayeeee

[golden stream]

That's the wackiest kind of mounting ngl

[odd sand]

Small business calls for small price solutions heh

[potent arrow]

Hehehe yes

[odd sand]

The zipties is what the last anime con I went to did. Their schedule screens at the panel rooms had R-pis tied to the back and they had a few TVs in the common areas of the hallways with a couple sofas showing off random anime playing from USB sticks connected to cheap smart TVs

[lime wasp]

I kinda wish I could just build my own ITX instead of potentially buying one but the market kinda fucked right now.

All the good non-reference GPUs are too big for ITX cases, and reference GPUs are scarce.

AND

All the good ITX cases are sold out until indeterminate dates.

[golden stream]

The painge

[lime wasp]

Seriously though.

Massive GPUs.

And the cases?

Meshlicious and Meshroom? Gone.

T1 Sandwich? Gone.

Corsair 2000D? Only from Origin pre-builts.

H1 V2? Available, but only 750w PSU and 140mm AIO, weak for higher-end parts.

NR200P? Hard to find, hard for GPUs to fit?

Silverstone M13? Need a modern reference card and has little room for cooling modern CPUs.

[odd sand]

@lime wasp https://www.homedepot.com/p/M-D-Building-Products-12-in-x-24-in-28-Gauge-Galvanized-Sheet-56020/100282523

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Arrow-3-16-in-Medium-Aluminum-Rivets-50-Pack-RMA3-16IP/100211151

[deep sapphire]

If you plan on welding I wouldn’t fuck around with galvanized steel

[dull garnet]

How tho

[dull garnet]

gf has an NR200P

I should get a black one

Although that's a lot of cost for new mobo too

[lime wasp]

Unfortunately my desk would do better with a vertical case (like the Meshroom S) than a horizontal case. A horizontal case like the T1 would be good too, but not available either.

[cerulean talon]

You need a shipment from the stack of spare hardware I've got here? :P

All reality tho, hope you can get it sorted. Dead processors are evil.

[lime wasp]

So I'm at an impasse; stuck with my own indecisiveness.

I could do one of two things with my tax refund and OT pay I've been working on, but I'm torn between the two of them.

Option 1 - $3,000

I get the ITX build I like for my PC as well as an overall upgrade.

• Go from a 3080 to a 7900 XTX
• From an Intel 11th Gen to AMD 7600x
• Reduce the footprint of my PC and get something that just looks nicer

OR

Option 2 - Like $2,700-ish

• Keep my current case, CPU etc.
• Get a 4090 + new PSU (since I only have an 850w right now)
• Get a soundbar
• Get a new collectible figure too

[cerulean talon]

Tbh, depends on where your chokepoint is in your system. I'd skip the 4090 personally, unless you're absolutely slaughtering your system gpu-wise.

Yeah, it takes something monsterous to slay the 3090ti w/ 4k's.

Like CP2077 or something absurd w/ full RT.

[lime wasp]

I have a 4k 120hz monitor (that ASUS ROG OLED one).

I usually play Halo Infinite, 2042, FFXIV, FGs like Strive, then stuff like Elden Ring or Cyberpunk.

[cerulean talon]

Single 4k probally won't be slaughtered even at 120hz for a 3090ti-class card, I use triple 60's np for most gaming.

3080 might be a bit more marginal tho.

[lime wasp]

Funnily enough; I did try a 3090 once.

I got the ZOTAC one, and it died in like 2 weeks - magic smoke and all.
I hadn't sold my 3080 yet so I returned it for a refund and just kept my 3080 since then.

[cerulean talon]

I mean, it's zotac.

They're not exactly good cards.

Blessed Weird Al.

I was listening to aluminium foil the other day and cheery af due to it.

[lime wasp]

I was tempted because it was on sale for less than MSRP and I was like...why not?

[cerulean talon]

That's because they're crap. :P

In any case, I'd probally piecemeal the upgrade and see what you choke on, I don't see RAM upgrades, which tends to be glanced over, but depending on your current (unknown) specs, could be a good path.

[wide hill]

pog

[lime wasp]

I asked the same question I asked here in another Discord and they got mad at me.

For liking high-powered PCs and having a bunch of OT money I worked for to spend?

Ironically enough they were the ones who got me into PC building in the first place when my old PC died a few years ago.

[cerulean talon]

I mean, in this server that's not even that high powered. :)

But people are weird.

@potent arrow - https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5932087 Time to build yourself a custom mini ITX. First time I've seen a semi-sane, reasonably printable case. I'm seriously considering trying now.

I kinda want to print one in transparent purple for one of my servers.

[wide hill]

some people get mad cause some don't really have a lot of money, pc gaming is a very broad and accessible platform, where the cheapest you can buy, for even 10$, would be considered enough to be "gameable"

[lime wasp]

I guess it's just like...gaming is my primary hobby, and I spend most of my disposable income on it. I also have a tendency to work a lot of OT so I guess it just follows I'd have a nicer setup?

Then again I guess I am slightly more able to spend since I don't have kids or a car (even though I still have all the other stuff you'd expect to pay).

[deep sapphire]

4200 bucks

[lime wasp]

?

[royal forge]

!hank

[opal panther]

えりん | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/102799374

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[lime wasp]

So this was/is the prebuilt I was considering my above question

Comes out to $2,810 without tax

Can actually put a 4080 in it, making it $3,020 without tax

[lost python]

that seems really expensive

[lime wasp]

ITX normally is

Though TBF

7900 XTX is $1,000 MSRP
7600x is $300 or so depending on location
That Mobo is $250 retail
$200-ish PSU
That RAM is $100-$180-ish depending on variety and brand

So that is $1,900 not counting case, storage, cooler or Windows

[deep sapphire]

What I spent at micro center lmao

[lime wasp]

Oh

Lucky you getting to go to computer Mecca

[deep sapphire]

Yeah it’s nice having one in the state

[modest moss]

you just spent 4200?

are you finally upgrading?

[hard drift]

what did you get

[wraith agate]

He bought a Chevrolet shaped toaster

I hope I get a job and I get to buy a good PC for like monthly pay instead of one time transaction

[odd sand]

I don't think either GPU upgrade sounds necessary, honestly. But the first one seems like a crazy amount of money for a marginal upgrade unless you have like an 11300F or something

A full system upgrade after only 2 years in 2023 sounds like a waste, but I suppose if you can get good money flipping your old stuff it might not be too bad.

[odd sand]

Only buy what you know you can afford. If they have like zero interest for a year or something and you know you can pay it off in 12 payments then go for it I guess.

It's a big trap though for people to get a new job and immediately start increasing how much they spend per month instead of paying down existing bills and setting some money aside.

Don't get a payment plan with some sort of rental center or where it's like a penalty and 30% interest if you don't pay it in time, etc.

[wraith agate]

12 month standard payment, no interest rate, it's not a loan nor a lending service, you own the machine but instead of paying the full price tag, you pay it in small chunks

[odd sand]

Yeah as long as it's something like the direct price thru the vendor and it's not paying extra. Make sure the 12 payments actually add up to the given price of the machine heh

[wraith agate]

which considering the current wage range I can get job in in around 1k USD per month at BEST

[odd sand]

What's the normal monthly wage for like a retail worker compared to that for you?

[wraith agate]

....

800 USD

[odd sand]

Okay, so a bit more, but not a very significant amount. And that's for an IT job then I take it?

[wraith agate]

heavens no

IT jobs are around 1200

low end

high end goes up to 3000

[sharp star]

$800 USD is enough to secure a decent enough rig... in the US.

[odd sand]

...Without a GPU

Or maybe like a 1650

[sharp star]

6600XT

[wraith agate]

without paying rent nor food

sure

[sharp star]

but yeah food/rent aside

[wraith agate]

I mean 800 without anything essential, like your tax and health insurance deducted but that's your entire paycheck

[odd sand]

I would be reasonable in my system pick then and you can always upgrade it more later.

[sharp star]

gotta spend less on candles then

[wraith agate]

what I looked at was a pretty good rig with a 3080

[odd sand]

Or get a strong CPU with a weaker GPU and then you can always buy a better GPU later and flip the existing one.

[lime wasp]

What is your budget @wraith agate

[wraith agate]

please stop asking about budget

[odd sand]

I asked about the wages bc I know not everyone makes US/Canada/EU wages

[wraith agate]

I just said if I get a PC, it's through a monthly paying instead of a single purchase

[odd sand]

TBF budget and use-case are the two most important things when advising on hardware purchases

[sharp star]

Yeah it's probably better if you got all the essential parts first

[odd sand]

even if you say it's a pretty wide range like $1500-2000

[sharp star]

then you get a dGPU last

[wraith agate]

if I have to say a range, somewhere between 2000-3000

[lime wasp]

Okay that is more useful

[wraith agate]

but here's the thing, it tends to be cheaper here sometimes

[odd sand]

That's the one downside with relatively fixed hardware prices around the world on parts

Since Intel and AMD set the prices for the most part

[wraith agate]

also I need to ask after if they also let me pay a monthly for parts too or if they only accept it for prebuilts

[lime wasp]

So follow up question;

What resolution do you want?

And do you prefer Big, Medium or small Case?

[modest moss]

let her get a job first lol

[lime wasp]

Back on my earlier topic for a minute. So I think I've maybe been going about it the wrong way; PC is big and annoying...on this desk.

I've had a thought of maybe change the desk, get one if those side stands to get LE CHONK off my desk.

Cheaper, and I could maybe still sneak in say a...4080?

(Also the desk kinda sucks and I've hated it for two years.)

[sharp star]

Jesus Christ

just focus on the damn job first

[wraith agate]

I actually have a medium case so far as I like medium sized builds, RGB is nonessential for me, I have a relatively new 1440p 144hz monitor, I do not want to replace my peripherals only the PC itself so there's that

[lime wasp]

I mean yes, but having a specific goal in mind and visualized can help and motivate

[sharp star]

I have a case that fits SSI/EEB mobos but I'm still using ATX

[odd sand]

At your wages in your country, that makes the PC you want is approximately 2 months wage.
Boy, for me that would mean like over $10k for a PC

[wraith agate]

trust me, the only ones here that need motivation are people not hiring me

[lime wasp]

After all - the reason I can stand working so much OT is because I think of the things I want with it.

Okay, so 1440p, $2,000.

Personal Preference Question; do you care about Ray Tracing?

[wraith agate]

I kinda do

[lime wasp]

Right

[wraith agate]

but that comes with any RTX

[odd sand]

Yeah if you already have a case and a PSU and storage etc. you might want to just get parts upgrades.

I re-used my AIO watercooler for like 10 years.

[wraith agate]

can't sure if I can use

my case is really at the end of its life cycle

[lime wasp]

Right, but it makes me avoid AMD in my recommendations for GPUs since they don't do RT well

[odd sand]

If it fits EEB it sounds large enough to fit basically anything.

[wraith agate]

I'd save the 1TB SSD honestly and let the rest go to my mom because she needs a relatively stronger PC too

[odd sand]

Ah okay.

I kinda did that as well, I did a short upgrade cycle of 3years and gave that to my niece and nephew

[wraith agate]

actually... I kinda always been an nvidia person, I know AMD is catching up but I prefer to stick to nvidia on gpus

[odd sand]

I haven't seriously considered AMD GPUs since the HD 5800 series but for low or mid-range they're fine after a few months.

You are kinda trading price for stability tho bc the drivers are always still kinda dodgy for the first year+

[wraith agate]

eh, actually what I might do is leave the old PC in its entirety to my mom, SSD included, but I will definitely wipe it clean and reinstall WIN10

[odd sand]

If it's a 1TB I would just put that in the new one and give her like a 256-512gb.

[wraith agate]

maybe that's what I'll do

but in any case, it requires a fresh install

[odd sand]

Unless you're storing tons of games on it, you don't need a lot of storage when you just use Office and Youtube etc.

[wraith agate]

well she games every now and then

though diablo 3 only

[odd sand]

Yeah go with like a 512gb then. That's enough space for productivity apps and half a dozen modern games.

[cerulean talon]

Tbh, giving away a PC, it's good to slap in a new drive, just to make sure it's not got any wear/tear/etc.

[wraith agate]

well tbh my SSD is from a seller I haven't heard of before

and frankly can't remember

so it might be nearing its end cycle too

[cerulean talon]

I highly suggest TeamGroup, they're surprisingly good for next to nothing.

As much as I love samsung for stupid fast data rates, arrays of the things are all teamgroup in my world.

[wraith agate]

hmm

in any case, if I can get a good PC, I might as well get a good and new storage

[sharp star]

yeah

Check prices for something like the P5 Plus

[wraith agate]

also for how suspiciously cheap this SSD has been, it's actually been functioning since 2018

[sharp star]

would avoid Samsung unless their quality improves

[wraith agate]

yeah nah, Samsung is very expensive for me

[torpid kayak]

Riche Asian likes Jade more 😄

[golden stream]

You can temp slapp a cheapo ADATA/not-A400-Kingston and call it a day as it's cheapo af

[lime wasp]

@wraith agate

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2BBWFg

Boom.

1440p Destroyer for $1,900.

[wraith agate]

one thing I might want to try, a thing I missed out on is because I only recently learned I have an M.2 slot on my mobo, so maybe for next build or for this build, I might get a cheap M.2 SSD and replace current SSD with that

[wraith agate]

that doesn't do much for me sorry, local prices and all

[golden stream]

M.2/NVMe is FAST

[wraith agate]

plus local chain store is different

[golden stream]

SEA price?

[wraith agate]

nay

EU

[golden stream]

Waaaaaait

[wraith agate]

but like eastern EU

[torpid kayak]

but can it run line98?

[golden stream]

Ah ok makes sense

Still EUR I guess?

[wraith agate]

nope

HUF

[golden stream]

Hmmm slightly tricky but should be fine

[lime wasp]

What is HUF?

[golden stream]

But are you free to visit some store by yourself?

[wraith agate]

yah but dunno, prices tend to be different with Euronics

ofc

[golden stream]

Prob Hungarian currency

[wraith agate]

it is

[lime wasp]

Oh

[torpid kayak]

want my new PC has as many dust filters as possible. Also fans
discover that exhaust fans = no dust filter
Why lives?

[golden stream]

Ngl I only use pcpartpicker for part compatible and build plan, then check the local price myself and adjust plan

[golden stream]

Generally: you want to filter your INTAKE air, to ward the hair/dust away, while the hot air EXHAUST can just leave it be

And balance between intake-exhaust for best cooling

[lime wasp]

Well...then sorry. Can't help with Hungarian prices since PC Partpicker doesn't have'em

[wraith agate]

I mean... you do not want to keep the dust inside the PC

it's an exhaust after all

[torpid kayak]

Top dust filter that comes with the case: What is my purpose?
Top exhaust fans: to be removed

[golden stream]

doesn't count you also have concern about dog hair

[torpid kayak]

not dog hair. My hair

[golden stream]

Anti cat solution

And ye also hooman hair

[torpid kayak]

oh well I guess I can just put the thing aside when running PC and put it back up when the PC stops operating

stillness invites dust 😄

[wraith agate]

here's one example on local store, I hope the list is obvious what what is

[torpid kayak]

where is x3d?

[wraith agate]

not available

[golden stream]

Oy gotta account availability

Also local price

[wraith agate]

local price is

oh yeah 72m huf is little

[golden stream]

Prebuilt?

[torpid kayak]

72m hug?

[lime wasp]

OOF

Only $300 less than what I built for way less perf.

[wraith agate]

yes

[wraith agate]

also yes

yeah that's if in HUF, average pay

Ice

I live here

I know

yeah I guess

in any case, yeah 72m in local terms is a lot

not everyone runs around with that much

but when converted to other currency, it's not too much

[torpid kayak]

little

sun

[wraith agate]

wee

yep

surprisingly local economies tailor themselves around local wages

[torpid kayak]

there was a time I thought Philips brand is from Philippines

[lime wasp]

Okay, not strictly tech related - which do y'all prefer for a desk? They're all relatively the same functional surface

[golden stream]

You can p much keep ur salary and live anywhere in SEA except Singapore

[wraith agate]

for example my wage is 0 so I can't afford a new PC

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[torpid kayak]

the first one looks easy to clean. Trust me. It is a huge bonus

[golden stream]

This

[wraith agate]

OH YEAH

I should get a new desk

maybe

current one is small and uncomfy

[torpid kayak]

how big is your mousepad? Mine is desk-width

[golden stream]

Ngl this is some ouchi back but it works better than my prev space

[lime wasp]

Matoya save us all.

[torpid kayak]

which Matoya?

[golden stream]

From sitting to standing real quick

[lime wasp]

The kitty. So that I can at least get a good look before she kills me.

[odd sand]

Yeah if you already have the 1TB as extended storage, get a nice M.2 512gb PCI4.0 drive then or something.

[torpid kayak]

the old one will appear and delete you before you can interact with her beloved disciple 😄

[sharp star]

treat yourself to some yummy paste

[lime wasp]

If you meant me, it's about 37in across and 16in deep

[wraith agate]

tbf, prebuilt or not, the PC gets pretty good reviews and as far as I can tell, their cable management is good

[golden stream]

Oy the old one not just delet you
She deals critically DH emotional damage, and let the rest of you evaporate eventually

[golden stream]

O ya is theyre any info of the PSU/power supply for that one

[wraith agate]

huh

none

[golden stream]

Some prebuild usually has weird/sussy/cheapo PSU

[wraith agate]

ah wait

I spoke too soon

700W

let me see if they write what type

nope

doesn't say if bronze, silver gold or platinum

just it's 700W

but the memory is DDR4 3200

[golden stream]

Hmmmmm

Are you ok with remove/move parts by yourself?

[wraith agate]

I am

but here's my issue

they don't seem to sell parts

[golden stream]

Because if you don't want hassle, can buy a nice PSU and swap

[wraith agate]

not on the online store

[golden stream]

Huhhh

[wraith agate]

SO

[golden stream]

The same store?

[wraith agate]

here's the thing

when I inquired in person, they said they do PC parts too, but only for orders, so I'd have to go in with a list of items and see if they can order them and for what price

and then ofc, if they do the monthly for the whole cost instead of paying all at once because doing so is rather expensivo

but maybe I should focus on this first

[lime wasp]

Nah, spend that money before you get it.
It is the American way.

(This is not financial advice. Please do not do that.)

[wraith agate]

#notfinancialadvice

[sly elk]

that looks incredibly crowded

also like a headache if there's an earthquake

[golden stream]

At least no earthquake in my place

[sly elk]

sigh. That's a tough one. So the left one appears to have a metal frame, so it will probably survive a move. The middle one really won't. If you move that sucker it'll fall apart. The right one, I'm not sure what it's made out of. It looks like it's cheap wood trying to look like a metal frame though.

i think I'd take my chances with the one on the right

the one on the left looks really cheap

[golden stream]

The top machine is my mobile machine so it usually won't be there during day

[sly elk]

but I'm not a huge fan of any of them

[golden stream]

Well ya, it's wacky anyway

[sly elk]

hmm? was talking about the 3 desks paragon was looking at

[golden stream]

OH lol

[sly elk]

yours looks like a bookshelf being used as a desk hehe

[golden stream]

It IS a bookshelf/toolshelf xD

[void dove]

my desk is solid wood, was probably made in the 80s or 70s,
built like a brick shit house

[golden stream]

Rigged a bit to be a sitting-standing position depend on tasks

[odd sand]

Middle one probably. Looks the most sturdy and the shelves might be nice. Right might be okay but looks like glass or just cheap

[torpid kayak]

Asus Radeon RX 7900 XT 20GB at a discount: $765.63 🤔

yay or nay? Note that I'm in Vietnam and this thing is around $1000+.
A 6900 XT is around US$801.28

a 6800 XT is U$620-650 depending on brand

[odd sand]

In what way?

[torpid kayak]

air duster or a drill?

oh a fan motor 😄

[deep sapphire]

God damn thing is a beast!

[torpid kayak]

where is white card?

[deep sapphire]

Didn’t feel like paying another 200 dollars for it lmao

[torpid kayak]

a bucket of paint should be like US$50 at best :3

but it is ok, having another color emphasizes the whole setting

accent 😄

[deep sapphire]

True

I asked my buddy if he had windows 11 on a usb drive

He gives me windows 10

😒

[odd sand]

Thank him for the thumb drive, delete it, and put Windows 11 on it /s

[hard drift]

He did you a favor

[hard drift]

What card is that

[real edge]

he got a 4090

[torpid kayak]

bulky

[real edge]

THICC

[torpid kayak]

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/asus/rx7900xt-20g/ super basic look and only 272mm

I like that

[sharp star]

has coil whine issues though

[torpid kayak]

does it affect performance or just being noisy?

[sharp star]

depending on how bad the coil whine is you can entirely ignore it or it’ll be like nails on a chalkboard

[torpid kayak]

cuz I doubt you can get more noisier than sitting next two electric fans, underneath an A/C, and adjacent to a air purifier

[sharp star]

but I heard the 7900 XT(X) reference models are… bad.

[sly elk]

XLR8

[torpid kayak]

I'm more on edge hearing my nephew's loud voice chat than anything sharpen my tonberry knife

[void dove]

my card has coil whine, if i get something to run at 500fps 😛

ive only managed to get one game to do that

[torpid kayak]

500 hz screen when?

I'm happy at 100 FPS

[sly elk]

lol

sure

[deep sapphire]

feels good to continue to supporting intel and nvidia

yeah

using cooking oil for bearing lube is probably not a great idea

you should use a spray lubricant

they make other stuff

silicon lubricants in particular work pretty well

WD40 is an okay lubricant but it wasnt designed for that

so it wears off easily

eh probably not but it might be conductive if it flings off or something

[sly elk]

wait why

why did you have to lube a fan

which fan?!

oh lol

[deep sapphire]

oh

I thought you meant a case fan rofl

[sly elk]

LOL

[deep sapphire]

well, same thing applies anyway

[sly elk]

sure

[deep sapphire]

use a spray lubricant

[sly elk]

i mean the only reason I'd be concerned

is if it caught on fire

[deep sapphire]

nope

im downloading last of us

never played it

always wanted to

just now yeah

I heard the port was kinda lousy but we'll see

[sly elk]

also last year I switched to dc fans

got a couple from amazon and one from walmart

wait where'd i put the walmart one

lol it's still in the box 😄

with a light 😮

is that the one that seized up too?

that sucks

i've never had a fan do that

i've had fans that just.. died..

[deep sapphire]

where do you download them

jesus that bad?

[real edge]

ye the last of us has a bad pc port

idk if they fixed it yet

RE4R looks better than this ngl

but

its a good game

its a shame what happens in TLOU2

[deep sapphire]

Oh fuck my HDMI cable only supports 60hz

[real edge]

the 4090 should have an hdmi 2.1 port

[deep sapphire]

I honestly thought any HDMI cable could work

I don’t pay attention to these things

[real edge]

usually that is displayport

hdmi sucks below 2.1

[deep sapphire]

Problem is I’m using a TV for my monitor

Display port isn’t an option sadly

AMD BTFO ONCE AGAIN

[real edge]

FSR2 has given my 1070 a new lease on life

it is the reason why I can play RE4R at good settings(high) with 50-60fps

its why I do not rush to get a new gpu

cause I know every game will have a playable framerate

sus

tbf I have bought from that store before without problems

but its 50 euro cheaper there than anywhere else

[sly elk]

ouch

why can't i be neither

oh wait there's 4 choices nvm

i thought there were only left vs right lol

[deep sapphire]

Holy fuck

People were right

OLED is incredible

[torpid kayak]

peerless assassin height - 155mm
ram height - 44mm
4000D's cooler clearance - 170mm
will they fit together?

[sly elk]

oo

hank went all out

which monitor did ya get hank? that c2?

[deep sapphire]

Yeah 48”

[sly elk]

man maybe i should get one >>

[deep sapphire]

Micro center had an open box for 750 bucks

Fuckin steal

[sly elk]

o11 case?

[deep sapphire]

Yeah o11 mini

Wow how long does it take to build the fuckin shaders

Jesus

[sly elk]

huh

oh

[odd sand]

lmao bottom right ... probably more true than the meme lets on

[sly elk]

idk where i fit on that chart

[rigid hill]

First time or replaying on pc?

[odd sand]

ngl tights under pants in winter sounds a lot more comfortable than nothing or itchy thermal underwear

[rigid hill]

[sly elk]

probably middle bottom

[odd sand]

Druckmann's ego has permanently ruined any interest I had in playing TLOU at this point

[sly elk]

i use macs for work things, and i like sublime text and c and linux

[rigid hill]

https://twitter.com/theactman_yt/status/1641504642411692032?s=46&t=fynvZj-2z3APFVivqsWBSw

The Act Man (@TheActMan_YT)

These glitches in The Last of Us on PC are some of the funniest shit I've seen

Likes

12685

Retweets

605

Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 6:16 PM

[sly elk]

and that's also true >>

but to me, barefoot > socks

[rigid hill]

https://feedback.naughtydog.com/hc/en-us/articles/14435572996500-The-Last-of-Us-Part-I-v1-0-1-6-Patch-Notes-for-PC

[odd sand]

My feet are way too cold for that, but I guess the more time you spend barefoot you kinda get used to that more as well

My friend's youngest is 5 now and still refuses to wear socks at home. They come off the moment he enters the house every time, even in winter.

[sly elk]

it doesn't get cold enough here for leggings lol

just nah

also i had a grudge against thinkpads after that time when I was in college

hanging out with my friends before our cs class started

i had a few year old powerbook g4 and this asshole walks up to me carrying a thinkpad and we get to talking linux and hardware stuff

i was having fun with x11 at the time and showed them how I had something along the lines of rainmeter running in it alongside os x

and this dude

this jackass says

"only an idiot would buy a mac"

and then walks away

after that I kinda had a grudge against thinkpads

then i toyed with a thinkpad at a random anime con to try some thing they were showing off

it had a nice keyboard

[odd sand]

I think there are a lot of nice things about a mac for pure development work, but I would hate them for basically everything else bc they're so restrictive

And for example, if you're intersecting with development work that needs to run on PC, you then need a VM to test anything for powershell etc.

[deep sapphire]

lmao

[sly elk]

why is their monitor so tiny O_o

Monitor: HP E231 (yes I need an upgrade)
huh it's not small it's just funny looking

oh damn

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/30/virgin-orbit-funding-ceasing-operations-layoffs.html

sadness

[torpid kayak]

pretty much my final form! build: http://file.hstatic.net/1000333506/file/image_faea88d546af44bd8666294fd4dbdcd3_2048x2048.png

$1987.43

[royal forge]

!hank

[opal panther]

M.とーこつ | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/88285936

Sourced via nekos.best || Artist Page: https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/27867295

[torpid kayak]

no fox girl

angery

[sly elk]

!hank

[opal panther]

椿目ジロ | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/91632328

Sourced via nekos.best || Artist Page: https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/64601982

[inland mauve]

I told you dog

[torpid kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4VgFne29Ew 🤔
xx50 feels like a noob trap nowadays

[inland mauve]

my second laptop had a 755M

it was okay

could run FFXIV fine but did get very hot

problem was that it was a laptop and the keyboard would get so warm it almost scalded my fingers

[uneven spade]

sadly it was a trap for a long while

the last good x50 card that actually made sense was the 1050Ti

[golden stream]

My ex had a 1050Ti, he streamed shiet w it for a godwhoknowshowlong until he got upgraded
Yes even MHW
And streamed it

Gud value card ngl

[rigid hill]

Ex?

[golden stream]

Ex ya

[real edge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lHiGlAWxio

[potent arrow]

yeah uh

that game is the worst port ive seen in YEARS

[torpid kayak]

in-house port. Should have hired porting specialists instead

remind me of Ys 8 launch. Totally banal still they hired someone who knows his stuff

[potent arrow]

I thought naughty dog chose someone else to do it

[torpid kayak]

Dog did the port in-house. Iron Galaxy helped with some stuffs to make sure the game catch up release schedule

people dogpiles on Iron Galaxy cuz of Batman port, but it is not always Iron Galaxy's fault.

my SSD is fixed 🤔

FF14 on non-SSD is kinda stuttering

https://i.imgur.com/P9aiXxJ.png wow 9 GB VRAM for med 1080 :/

cry in 2GB VRAM

[uneven spade]

3070 and 3070Ti minimums LMAO

I get it, that's 1440p@Ultra

but the cards have the horsepower to run it. the VRAM says "nope"

[wide hill]

ah, so they finally created an incentive to buy the 4090

[modest moss]

Gonna try this with my 3070ti later and if it's shit I'll whine here

[torpid kayak]

you either work so hard that you can buy a 4090, or you die without two kidneys

gotta get myself a 7900 xt at $765

20 GB RAM should be helpful for a while

[real edge]

tbh you couldn't have known that this was going to happen this soon after you bought it

now 8gb vram is considered entry level but back when you bought it, it was considered OK

although even back then I was very wary of getting anything with the same vram as my card from 2016, I wanted more

[modest moss]

I expect it'll still play fine and look great on high settings anyway

[real edge]

yeah

I feel bad for anyone who bought the 3070 tbh

its rasterization is good but its so hampered by vram capacity

what a wasted opportunity for a good value card

that rumored 16gig 3070 was going to be really good

[inland mauve]

remember when Sony decided the PS3 needed only 256 MB of VRAM

[real edge]

how much vram does the PS5 have?

[golden stream]

Vram? Lemme check

[inland mauve]

16GB GDDR6

[real edge]

ohh sheesh

[inland mauve]

I think it combines regular RAM and VRAM in one or something?

because it uses a custom GPU

[torpid kayak]

PC Master Race
not if you don't have Master Wallet

imagine building a PC to run everything 4k 60 FPS, when you can just buy 3 consoles and a 4k TV 🤔

[real edge]

48gb cards already exist but only in the server space atm

or work

I think the next jump will be to 36gig in two-three generations

I wonder what will happen if you use a 24gig gpu with 16gigs of ram in a game that needs like 12gigs of vram at most but has 32gigs of ram as the requirement

[inland mauve]

iirc it's possible to use VRAM as regular RAM but it requires some finagling behind the scenes and might not be optimal

you probably would have to use some API calls in unintended ways

[deep sapphire]

RTX 4090 bros we win again

[inland mauve]

will they make an RTX 4090 Ti, I wonder

with how godawfully large the 4090 already is

[rigid hill]

The last of us is a ps3 game for god sakes

Does not warrant that much vram

[real edge]

its not the ps3 version we got

its the remastered PS5 version

it was a big visual uplift

[rigid hill]

True

But still

[real edge]

the vram is still too big tho do not get me wrong

especially at medium/low settings

[rigid hill]

The core game design itself isn’t leveraging any out of this world requirements

Improved assets and visuals should’ve been covered by the shader loading nonsense

No factions multiplayer either

[deep sapphire]

!faq launchers

[opal panther]

**Official Launcher Giving you Trouble on Updates?**

Try these alternative 3rd party launchers.

For Windows and Steam:

https://goatcorp.github.io/

For Mac OS:

https://www.xivmac.com/

For Linux:

https://flathub.org/apps/details/dev.goats.xivlauncher

Alternative cross-platform:

https://github.com/eorzeatools/microlaunch
(developed by rin#3487 - contact them for help)

Please read all the documentation and guides for these launchers before requesting assistance.

Do note that these programs, like ACT, are technically against TOS. Treat them like Fight Club, and don't be rude while using them.

Please note no staff have tested the Mac, Linux and cross-platform launchers so use at your own discretion.

[uneven spade]

the 3080ti on my laptop is basically a 3070 but with 16GB VRAM

and the extra framebuffer def helps a lot

[real edge]

mhm

finally below 1200, it happened

[modest moss]

what did you buy tho

[real edge]

a 4090

[modest moss]

yeah but he said he spent over 4k so I need full details

[hard drift]

I hope next gen high end is good

[deep sapphire]

i7 13700K, RTX 4090, 32GB RAM, 2TB 980 Pro SSD, O11 Mini and a 48" LG oled C2

[uneven spade]

Hopefully it does. NVIDIA GPU gens since Pascal feels like Windows releases

10 series - good

20 - meh

30 - good

40 - meh

[deep sapphire]

40 is good its just overpriced

[real edge]

^

[deep sapphire]

the 4090 was a MASSIVE uplift in performance

[hard drift]

If I have time, that’s probably what I’ll use some of my money for if the military doesn’t take up all my time.

I hope there’s still time to game

[uneven spade]

and that's the biggest problem. its grossly overpriced. even worse than Turing

[deep sapphire]

nah man

nah son

[real edge]

tbf

[deep sapphire]

no time to game

NONE

[hard drift]

I know lol

[real edge]

the 3090 was not that big of an uplift to the 3080

other than vram capacity

[deep sapphire]

3080 (if obtainable at MSRP) was a bargain

[hard drift]

And to compensate for that, they fucking crippled the new 80

[real edge]

the 4080 is not bad, its just overpriced

[hard drift]

Like the gap between the 80 and 90 class is huge

80ti is needed

[uneven spade]

the 20 series also brought a lot of new good things to the table I cannot deny it but value wise. that series was terrible and the same happens with the 40 series @deep sapphire

[hard drift]

20 series was literally just a guinea pig generation

[uneven spade]

Yes and no. as modern DX12 has started to be far more common

Pascal was basically doomed

[hard drift]

It was still a guinea pig generation no matter what advancements were being made

Not to mention the charged the prices we’re seeing now, then pretty much

[uneven spade]

to put it into perspective. pascal is such trash at dx12 that in far cry 6. the 1660Ti outperforms the 1080Ti

[deep sapphire]

20 series had pretty meme tier raster performance uplift

the 1080Ti was 2good

thats how the 3080 felt before the crypto bros fucked that market

[real edge]

and now

nvidia is the cryptobro

[deep sapphire]

at least you can find the cards now

[hard drift]

No, no, no, they publicly said cryptocurrency bad

[real edge]

I meant the price uplift

[uneven spade]

ironically Jensen himself said that cryptocurrencies have no value to society recently

[hard drift]

He is also the same fucker that said that having a non-RTX card was a waste of money when the 20 series was out and then he released the 16 series

[modest moss]

[hard drift]

Jensen is stupid

[modest moss]

that'll last ages

[hard drift]

i wouldn't say ages given how progression is going for graphics

[real edge]

I mean

if you used a 2009 gpu in 2016 you couldn't do much if at all

but now you can use a 2016 card in 2023 and be fine

[hard drift]

yeah but we'll see how much that continues with all the things coming

[real edge]

I can play RE4R on high settings with 50-60fps on my 1070, I could also run another game with medium settings but texture on high with also 50-60fps

its progressing slower than before tbh

games cannot keep up with the power of new gpus

but before in the mid 2010s they could

[deep sapphire]

holy SHIT

LIMSA

SMOOTH

[hard drift]

that's right, go look at your thots in glorious high res

you filthy thot

[deep sapphire]

thats so dark tho

oled catgirls

[uneven spade]

There is also a thing that people need to remember. games are being developed around the lowest common denominator of its gen. and ofc the PS4 and Xbox One were really underpowered consoles

so people could get away with 750tis and etc for a long time

[hard drift]

AND FUCKERS ARE STILL DEVELOPING NEXT GEN TITLES FOR PS4 AND XBOX

street fighter 6 should not be on last gen consoles 😭

[uneven spade]

barely, its like going from ps3 to ps4 era. the PC, PS5 and Series X get the full versions of the game while the previous gen is getting literal dogshit as a game

but the point is that the requirements increase based on the consoles as they set the bar