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cerulean talon
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That's the best part.

potent arrow
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I

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Dude what

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How did it get picked up as that

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What kinda network bullshit

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Ubiquity what

cerulean talon
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Don't worry, it's also picking up some other impossibilities, including a wireless-only EV charger connected to my 10gbe ports.

potent arrow
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Ughhhhh

cerulean talon
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And my TLC TCL TV.

potent arrow
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Oh! I'm turning a shitty nucc into a pf sense box!

cerulean talon
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Oh and it picked up a raspi as a Cisco WAP.

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Dunno how the hell it did /that/

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Also, nice!

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I've got some SUPER chineseium boxes w/ 4 intel gbe's I use for that kind of meme dev work.

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Auctually work super well.

potent arrow
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Ooo

cerulean talon
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This MAC address.

potent arrow
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I

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Dude

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LOL

cerulean talon
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Apparently, that block is owned by Xerox.

potent arrow
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0___0

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Xerox physical address typebeat

cerulean talon
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We've got like 4 devices in there, that are not VM's, which is what the rang eis supposed to be for.

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I'm terrified.

potent arrow
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....

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That's a recipe for disaster

cerulean talon
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Oh well. SHIP IT.

potent arrow
cerulean talon
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Just remember, you're looking at your future.

potent arrow
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I have all the physical adresses indexed on my network lol

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0_0

cerulean talon
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We've got ~80-100 active IP's right now, which doesn't include any of the main VM hosts (Down for migrations)

potent arrow
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Having all the mobile devices in my home on their subnetwork was the best idea I've ever had

cerulean talon
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40,0/24 is my roomies, I'm 41, network/vm/infra is going into 42, and we're leaving all of 43 as DHCP so we can identify who to stab when the network goes screwball.

potent arrow
cerulean talon
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We ran into the same issue, DHCP had week-long leases and we burned 150 leases.

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So we decided to give it 254 instead.

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.>

potent arrow
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.>

cerulean talon
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Also, I'm running out of 10gig ports namazuconcern

potent arrow
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I fucking hateeeee DHCP I feel like it's the most common net issue I have to deal with

cerulean talon
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Roomie runs it on AD, so I barely touch it.

potent arrow
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Aaaaaa

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Do not INVOKE AD IN THIS SERVER

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Fucking active shitory

cerulean talon
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You WILL enjoy a bad LDAP implementation. AND YOU WILL LIKE IT.

potent arrow
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:3

cerulean talon
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0/10, is nortel.

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This is a Ubiquiti only household.

potent arrow
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FREE

cerulean talon
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So is my spare 24 port agg switch somewhere in the house.

potent arrow
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F r e e

cerulean talon
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:D

potent arrow
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LOL

cerulean talon
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Ubiquiti somehow doubled my order and sent me the second for free.

potent arrow
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Half of em don't work

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Woops I had my work label on it

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Bruh give me it

cerulean talon
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So I got 2 24 port aggs, 4 LR AP's, and 2 POE+ professional switches.

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For essentially half price.

potent arrow
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Do you have a physical firewall?

cerulean talon
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Dream Machine Pro.

potent arrow
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I'm sorry YOU HAVE MONEY

cerulean talon
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Nomnomnom switches.

potent arrow
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Mmmmmmm

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Oh no you have voip

cerulean talon
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We're SIP'ed to twilio.

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We don't use UI Talk.

potent arrow
cerulean talon
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Gotta have work lines somewhere.

potent arrow
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I have to use QOS solely for voip

cerulean talon
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Why?

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Just have a 10gig backbone to your edge gear, and have 1000/50 edge.

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nods

potent arrow
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Fuck

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Money over here lol

cerulean talon
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The 10gig stuff is auctually amazingly cheap in general.

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I think I got 40-ish SFP's for a couple hundo and a ton of fiber patches.

potent arrow
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My budget is limited to TPlink sales and local liquidations

cerulean talon
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We've moved to DAC's for the desktops and everything on the agg.

potent arrow
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Oooo niiice

cerulean talon
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I'll have to take a picture of the fiber loop.

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It's uh, terrifying.

potent arrow
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Wanna know something funny

cerulean talon
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Sup?

potent arrow
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I live next door to my parents

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Did not want to pay for net

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So I trenched from my server room

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To this house

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With fiber

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It's beautiful

cerulean talon
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That's what I'd do.

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When I move next, I'm trenching multiple 25 gig fiber links between the property to the central switching/server closet.

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I will have the speeds I want and the network will not tell me no.

potent arrow
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I don't have a proper way to terminate fiber well, so I use a pretermin run I bought from the local ISP

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So I have a giant ass loop of fiber in the basement because it was originally preterm from trunk to branch from the city

cerulean talon
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Apparently, it's getting way easier to term fiber.

potent arrow
cerulean talon
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Getting down to the point it's not much harder than cat-<insert whatever here>

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I mean, network people don't like me.

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I throw lots and lots of tiny packets across the network to make sure their switch gear is up to my standards.

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"Don't want to respond to my /24 block assigned to every server? Not my problem, fix it network minion"

potent arrow
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Heres a throwback to when I spammed photos of the project in this channel

cerulean talon
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Seems accurate.

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Screwdriver in the drywall is a feel tho

potent arrow
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What a better way to cut drywall

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Then a flathead

cerulean talon
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Chainsaw.

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Chainsword if you're in the 40k universe and/or have more funds than I do.

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I also will accept "Spare 1u server you enragedly slam through the drywall because it's not working right"

potent arrow
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Boltor at that point

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I have actually cut out a chunk of tile ceiling with an IO shield before if that counts

cerulean talon
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I want a little more control, a little less splash damage than that.

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Ah yes, the classic "Everything's a saw if the material is soft enough"

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Also I'll allow it in place of a 1U.

odd sand
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Or did you mean the mac addresses?

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I assume Xerox PARC made the mac address system, in which case them having 00:00:00 wouldn't surprise me

cerulean talon
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The MAC address.

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Huh, yeah, PARC did make MAC, didn't know that tbh.

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Private addresses I'm well used to. :D

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MAC's I don't look at nearly as often as how badly I tend to break IP addressing.

umbral moss
dull garnet
rigid hill
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Damn that’s gorgeous

cerulean talon
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Good lookin card.

hard drift
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but it costs as much as a 4090 😭

dull garnet
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just like the 3070 version owocarby

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friend was considering that one and it was more than a 3070 ti

sly elk
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if they made an all black chromax version, that would be tempting if I were in the market for a 4080....

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then again, most of the 40 series cards are ugly anyway

dull garnet
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still can't believe how expensive noctua fans are

fair parcel
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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fair parcel
sly elk
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sigh this van shopping thing is going badly 😄

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all 4 dealers quoted a good price on truecar and in their follow-up correspondence completely threw that out and are trying to do msrp+markup

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assholes

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also, I think it's pretty insane to charge $3265 for lojack and a windshield protector and actually, $195 for a screen protector for the radio lmao

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$995 'protection package' lmao

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it's not an extended warranty

cerulean talon
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Ah yes, the car mats.

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Quality protection.

modern iris
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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modern iris
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guys how is ff14 when running in windows 11? Im considering upgrading from windows 10

inland mauve
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runs fine for me

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but this is a brand new PC with a brand new W11 installation

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and insanely high specs

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so my case is not the average user case

cerulean talon
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Seems to run fine in general, even on my older xps 13.

royal forge
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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royal forge
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How confusing

torpid kayak
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I used to see 6700 xt recommended here instead of 6800 xt here cuz better value. Does has 6800 xt bad value? 🤔

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I forgot who recommended it 😄

paper tusk
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there's some jank during hunt trains (fps related) but i think it's a driver bug (and I need to put ram back to 3600)

paper tusk
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or the 6750 xt for a tier under it

torpid kayak
paper tusk
royal forge
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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sly elk
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how did they not see that

cerulean talon
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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fair parcel
fair parcel
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man that is amazing

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fully electric I assume GIGAChatting

deep sapphire
modest moss
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Hank you need a fancy vehicle

deep sapphire
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Once it gets warmer I’m gonna work on an LS engine swap

fair parcel
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get me a Trackhawk

modest moss
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Fix your steering wheel

deep sapphire
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I can’t believe that fits in a fuckin civic lmao

deep sapphire
odd sand
# sly elk how did they not see that

That existential groan afterwards... My only guess is the gate is never closed, but maybe there was flooding from the rain so it is and they didn't look until the last moment.

fair parcel
deep sapphire
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Got enough power to negate the zero aero dynamics

tame tartan
odd sand
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Probably why I have a sore neck while biking bc I look forward. I can't understand how you can just continue biking forward while looking down at a 30 degree angle

deep sapphire
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Hope that dude is okay, could’ve caused a collapsed lung

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Easily cracked some ribs there

odd sand
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Lower bar over the stomach, so definitely knocked the wind out of them and gonna get some nasty whiplash at that speed. They were trucking it.

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Does bring up a good point that maybe they should put some reflectors on the gate lol

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Imagine if that was night time

hard drift
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NVIDIA, ASML, TSMC and Synopsys Set Foundation for Next-Generation Chip Manufacturing SANTA CLARA, Calif., March 21, 2023 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — GTC — NVIDIA today announced a breakthrough that brings accelerated computing to the field of computational lithography, enabling semiconductor leaders like ASML, TSMC and Synopsys to accelerate the design ...

wraith agate
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lets hope this makes gpus going forward cheaper

hard drift
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i mean high end doesn't have to get any cheaper but that midrange sure as hell does namazuconcern

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a "70" class card shouldn't be 600+

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especially given how bad the bus width is on anything but the 4090

wraith agate
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Thanks, I didn't want them to do so

cerulean talon
hard drift
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😭

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one can hope for better dorime

inland mauve
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I remember when we thought the price for the 1080Ti was exorbitant

cerulean talon
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I also have some serious questions about wtf it's doing.

inland mauve
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now we're happy if we can pay that for a 4070

cerulean talon
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How does GPU processing enable smaller transistors unless it's a modeling simulation, which would be better shoved to ASIC's anyway once it's stable as a model.

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Entire thing feels fishy to me, and an excellent excuse to charge more money.

proven spade
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Hey there can someone suggest me the best fans possible for my setup? Money is no object. Using corsair 5000D Airflow + a top mounted 360mm AIO (Deepcool LT720)
Besides the case fans, replacing AIO fans could also be done in the future
None of my parts are throtling with current passive cooling. (13900K+4090)
I imagine Noctua fans could be it

sly elk
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Oddly the newer ML elite have less static pressure than the older ML pro

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I think

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Ml elites are 2.90 mm h2o and 58cfm at 30.4 db

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Hmm but that’s better than the ml120 pro rgb

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But non rgb ml120 pro can do 75cfm and 4.2mm h2o at 37db

proven spade
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Do I use 3 120 or 2 140 ?

sly elk
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Either way magnetic levitation beats any kinda bearing in longetivity

proven spade
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does noctua make those?

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i read somewhere 6 years warranty

uneven spade
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now we are paying 800$ for 104 die

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but prepare for the next joke soon

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RTX 4060 with only 8GB of VRAM

umbral moss
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like how they figured out how to make novel transistor layouts by letting the algorithm make 50 billion guesses until it managed to pack the required number of transistors per mm

cerulean talon
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Interesting.

umbral moss
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it's not that exciting, but it lets nvidia promote their dedicated ML accelerator hardware

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we developed a novel way to improve litho yields, but you have to buy our $1.5M data cruncher to try it out

cerulean talon
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Makes sense, when I heard "yields" my brain goes "physical production" over "brute forcing solutions"

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The "cu" bit threw me off as well, as my brain literally only just now went from reading it as "copper" to "cuda"

umbral moss
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if you make 50 chips per die because your answer to everything is "throw more transistors at it", the instant one of them has ten critically defective transistors you've just pissed away the profit on that wafer

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so reducing defect rate improves yield

cerulean talon
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Yeh, makes sense, just not how I was considering it.

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Brain's a bit distracted with interview stuff today, and saw yield, saw cu, and went "How do GPU's help physically make, as in etch the photolitho masks"

umbral moss
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you make the GPU using shitty masks, then the GPU helps make good masks pogianger

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like making lasers to make lasers

sly elk
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I went from a 2x140 aio to a 3x120 aio and can't really say I noticed much of a performance/noise difference

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maybe a little more noise? I just liked how 3x120 looked better

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i'm sure 3x140 would look amazing if I could fit it >>

cerulean talon
umbral moss
proven spade
sly elk
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whatever floats your boat

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I think there may be a slight difference in amount of airflow but the difference is going to be seriously tiny. I'd consider 2x140 vs 3x120 to be an aesthetic choice

fair parcel
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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fair parcel
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o

sharp star
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https://youtu.be/OtjOFczXQfQ rip new Reddit case

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sly elk
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too cool looking

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go buy fractal north

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lol iirc he likes phanteks cases

sharp star
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lmao yeah

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the Fractal North has supply issues

wraith agate
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wtf clyde it's just a picture of an ethernet port

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okay then how about this

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great

cerulean talon
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You know how lewd a good ethernet punchdown is? Clyde is saving us.

wraith agate
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(Do it now)

uneven spade
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more like, "this simple trick will destroy your pc performance and make it feel like shit"

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the amount of people I met who used garbage like driver booster or so. always ended up destroying their own OS or kept on complaining all the time that games stutter every so often.

wraith agate
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ikr?

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it's so bad

uneven spade
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so WU takes care of almost everything

wraith agate
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mhm

sly elk
# wraith agate

last night I saw a "car companies don't want you to know this trick" video on fb

wraith agate
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I usually don't see ads because I use ublock but unfortunately solitaire has no adblock

sly elk
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what was silly is the video showed the dude sitting in a kia, opens the glovebox, shoves the keyfob into a slot, and voila the car starts

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like as if we're not supposed to know

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I haven't read the owner's manual, but I'm pretty sure that slot in the glovebox is for starting the car if the battery in the keyfob dies

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and the car companies DO in fact want you to know about stuff like that, it's in the owner's manual if you bother to read it

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also up there in importance with newer cars: How to jump start it without blowing up the high voltage fuses, how to release the fancy shifter out of park, etc

wraith agate
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lmao see I don't know those but because I don't have a car

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nor a driving license

late basalt
sly elk
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"No problem! I just wanted to let you know we're swamped right now since it's 5pm on a friday so it'll probably be 2-3 hours"

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-4 hours later- "Sorry we still haven't found anyone to come out to you yet"

cerulean talon
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Wait wait, we're supposed to know how to take care of cars?

modern iris
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i just wait until my car dies or makes a funny noise

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i guess i could look at the warning lights but that would be too easy

odd sand
# sly elk "No problem! I just wanted to let you know we're swamped right now since it's 5p...

It's even better than that: their system always says they'll be there in 90-120mins even if they haven't found anyone, but they never tell you that. I had them dick me around like that for 4 hours until everything in the area was closed. Luckily I was in a truck stop lot and a motel6 was next to it or I could have had to sleep in the car in 30 degree weather on the side of the road

sly elk
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X_x

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yea that's why you want to learn how to do things. Even if you default to calling AAA and it usually works out fine 🙂

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to be fair, I don't own jumper cables or a jump starter haha

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NOOO

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we chose the dystopia path at some point didn't we

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left: professional review

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right: two assholes making funny faces in front of expensive cameras

torpid kayak
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perform at -9999Mhz cuz it is Cirno

odd sand
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I dunno why more companies don't just offer custom heatsinks like that for modules

torpid kayak
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FF14 heatsink vs FF14 puma 😄

torpid kayak
sly elk
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lol

sly elk
wraith agate
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@cerulean talon we need to drink coffee

sly elk
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drink plenty of plant based products

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how to tell nintendo you're pirating their games without telling nintendo you're pirating their games

odd sand
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I see a famicom back there, so he may have ripped them all 🤷‍♀️

sly elk
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yup

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this seems...

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like bullshit QA for a company like google

sharp star
sly elk
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to be fair, it always seemed like a mistake to take a job with a company and work on something that wasn't their core business

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eg VR at facebook, or self-driving cars at google

uneven spade
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tho my problem with google is that they kill their other services way too quickly

royal forge
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Iirc, this is due to their culture of constantly trying to make new shit with no emphasis on mantaining

inland mauve
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because making new shit is the best way to get higher up

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but now they have a reputation for it

cerulean talon
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The morning is a cup of bulletproof coffee, then knocking back 200mg of caffine on top to bootstrap the brain.

wraith agate
royal forge
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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Reia | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/100687911
royal forge
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HEY THATS A DUPE

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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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royal forge
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@real edge TELL ME NOT TO BUY A SECOND MONITORRRRRRR

real edge
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why do you want it

royal forge
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cuz im too lazy to alt tab to have vtuber streams open while i study

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:3

real edge
cerulean talon
real edge
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you know

royal forge
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if you do that

real edge
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you can minimize vtuber or the study stuff and have them both open at the same time

royal forge
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i know

cerulean talon
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I like the taste of the coffee

royal forge
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but i'll have to alt tab to see whats happening

cerulean talon
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It's just not enough caffine.

royal forge
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DRINK MORE COFFEE

cerulean talon
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I'm not chugging 3-4 cups of coffee first thing in the morning. :P

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Coffee should be savored and enjoyed.

modest moss
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Also did you get the permanent contract

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Because you have mentioned transporting hardware as a concern before

potent arrow
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@deep sapphire

modest moss
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At first glance I thought you were in hospital again

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Was like wtf did she do this time haha

potent arrow
modest moss
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😐

potent arrow
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Lmfao

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Dislocated my shoulder and couldn't get it back in despite running it into the wall a few times

modest moss
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...

deep sapphire
potent arrow
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aye

deep sapphire
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How much that cost

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Could just get one at harbor freight for 3 bucks

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MrSubaru on YouTube is awesome he calls out Matco and tells you the same tool they rebrand for half the price rofl

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The darth Vader

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Willie Nelson driving the old Chevy

cerulean talon
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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cerulean talon
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Hrm, lacks purple. Disappointing Kupo.

deep sapphire
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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potent arrow
deep sapphire
potent arrow
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for me its the milwaukee truck

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I lose like 400$ everytime

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almost got all their fuel ratchets >_>

cerulean talon
cerulean talon
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Yeah, but I need lithium suppliments, so why not drink my car battery? :3

odd sand
lost python
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I hate Microsoft so much

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They decided to update outlooks layout by moving those buttons for calendar, groups, mail etc on the bottom to the left side of outlook instead, into a vertical bar.
But they also only rolled this update out to some people.
So now we got dozens of people complaining about the change and demanding it to be switched back because "it's not what i am used to" and "but this didn't happen for my colleague so why me"

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And there is no button or something to change it back. Gotta edit the registry which the responsible department doesn't want to do

royal forge
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they're quite a buncha bastards tbh

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ya know who was the first one into the shitshow that was covid?

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fuckin temp contracted workers

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why? Cuz they said if you dont work there, we might not give you a permanent post lmaaaoooo

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then when people started resigning, they shat their pants

lost python
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Yep

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That's basically what i had to do now anyway since we can't fix this

potent arrow
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I'll be more annoyed about all of the physical SOP I've printed

umbral moss
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reminder that chainsaws have a warning not to stop the blade with your genitals

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one of my favorite bash quotes was "I'm not saying I want stupidity to be illegal, but maybe we should take the safety labels off everything and let the problem work itself out"

void dove
lost python
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that settings doesnt exist for me

void dove
# lost python that settings doesnt exist for me

then turn off the "try it now" toggle next to "coming soon" at the to right of the outlook window.
if that also doesn't exist, then what the fuck version of outlook are you even running, thats not normal.

deep sapphire
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“Honestly it’s not mine”

odd sand
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My friend had never seen the movie before, so I watched it with him last weekend

odd sand
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Beat me to it by a few seconds damber. Was just going to quote the book heh

umbral moss
lost python
odd sand
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I also forgot Will Farrel was in that. I pictured him being on SNL later than that

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Elizabeth Hurley in the late 90s... mewpaissa

umbral moss
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also, elizabeth hurley now mewpaissa

odd sand
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The start of the 2nd Austin Powers movie was so lul

umbral moss
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how did I miss those?

odd sand
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"Damn, she was a fembot the entire time? WELP!" cue opener like nothing happened

umbral moss
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isn't that the point of his character though?

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he's just a horny dog that latches onto any leg that wanders too close

deep sapphire
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A shame tbh, it’s a damn good car

umbral moss
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maybe they'll be the first to release an affordable EV sports car

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although hyundai has been making noise that the N74 might be coming to production

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and the ioniq 5 N has a whole battery of wild performance/handling tuning features baked into its ECU

odd sand
# umbral moss isn't that the point of his character though?

I mean, he had a complete character arc where he supposedly learned to love one woman and got married. Presumably the popularity of the movie wasn't expected so to make a 2nd movie they basically retconned the character arc from the first movie

umbral moss
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also, austin powers 2 has one of the best soundtracks pogianger

wraith agate
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pog

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I mean

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I don't even have a need to generate environment yet but pog nonetheless

lost python
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casual 71million polygon truck

devout nexus
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thanks for sharing love unreal engine news

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nanite is so amazing

lost python
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3080ti apparently affected

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and the game is diablo 4 beta

potent arrow
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Bahahaahhaah

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At this point I can't help but to laugh

dull garnet
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Oop

odd sand
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I feel like for any game beta you should automatically restrict FPS in nvidia control panel in case it has some odd rendering issues that overvolt your card

wraith agate
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personally I prefer C++ but that's because I'm fluent in that

odd sand
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Pointers...

wide hill
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i wanted to buy a Odyssey G7 1440p for HDR, but then i looked at reviews, and found out, it isn't true HDR... "HDR600"

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it is missing out on it's local dimming zones

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there is Odyssey G8...

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but man, is it EXPENSIVE

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3x as much

odd sand
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Firstworld problems

wide hill
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oh wait, nvm

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the Neo series is the ones with closer to 'true' hdr

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still, expensive af

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they using miniLED panels, so no wonder

real edge
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no LCD display has true HDR

wide hill
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closer to* then

lost python
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but

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dont buy it anyway

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samsungs QC and support is complete ass

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and you will be playing a lottery to get a panel that doesnt have scanlines

wide hill
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i heard that it was an issue on non-neo series that had scanline issues

sly elk
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plus this is meta for american car brands

wide hill
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but i can't afford a neo screen anyway

sly elk
#

GM's solution to a product not selling is to change the name on the major cycle change and then make fun of the old model

sly elk
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or maybe they're going to use the name Camaro for an SUV

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but they already have enough SUVs...

lime wasp
#

So I've got a question for the Sound People around here, if they've got the time.

I was at Best Buy yesterday getting some paper/ink and saw a Razer Soundbar and it got me to thinking that maybe with the last of my tax refund spending money I'd like to upgrade the sound for my entertainment.

I've done a little research but I'm still a little lost.

(I currently use a Corsair Virtuoso XT for my PC and an Astro A50 for my Series X....and nothing for my Switch other than monitor sound.)

I watched a few reviews on the Razer Leviathan (the one I saw in BB) and decided to pass on it. I saw a few good reviews on one called the Creative Katana V2, and the couple of BOSE ones I watched reviews for looked okay but they said they might be a little expensive for the performance.

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Any suggestions or guidance on which one/what to get?

Particularly I'd like one that will work with my PC, Switch and Series X without needing a bunch of cable management (changing wires all the time) and sounds as good or better than my headsets.

As a secondary question; how exactly do you get the whole chat thing to work with a good sound system for games? It seems like any decent quality headset you'd wear to talk and hear other players would reduce the enjoyment from the sound system....but you also don't want everyone hearing idiots dropping Hard Rs in Halo over the speakers either.

lost python
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does it have to be a soundbar?

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external sub yay or no?

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As a secondary question; how exactly do you get the whole chat thing to work with a good sound system for games? It seems like any decent quality headset you'd wear to talk and hear other players would reduce the enjoyment from the sound system....but you also don't want everyone hearing idiots dropping Hard Rs in Halo over the speakers either.
you use a headset. thats the only real solution to that

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or you dont do voice chat

dull garnet
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Sounds like you are used to trash

lime wasp
# lost python does it have to be a soundbar?

Not really, but the ones I was looking at were that because I figured they'd fit best with the space I have.

The Creative Katana V2 (and the $250 version of the Leviathan) had a sub so I'm not opposed to the idea of one.

lime wasp
#

That Sticker was way bigger than I thought it would be ._.'

dull garnet
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Don't buy pc brand audio

wraith agate
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I thought Razer was only good at audio

lost python
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well i can tell you right away that the creative is "okay" if it was 150€ less and super bassy
razer is crap
one that i personally enjoyed is the Yamaha YAS-207

otherwise just get a decent pair of hifi speakers tbh. there are a lot depending on your budget though.

or if you really want to do voice chat while gaming, invest into a proper headset

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razer has never been good at audio

dull garnet
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Razer aren't good at anything

wraith agate
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well they aren't good at anything else either

dull garnet
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I say, wielding my razer mouse

wraith agate
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the only thing remained from my razer era is my RGB mousepad

lost python
wraith agate
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and it is in desperate need of replacement

lost python
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me sitting here with my deathadder v2

dull garnet
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I don't think there are any brands I like that make mice

wraith agate
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I like Logitech

dull garnet
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Except Microsoft

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But their 25 year old mice that aren't made anymore

lost python
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logitech is my work mouse but like, no other brand came close to the feel and comfyness of the deathadder for me

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its the perfect shape for my hand

dull garnet
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My viper 8k is nice, I just hope it lasts

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Wouldn't recommend either

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I dunno why I installed the software but I did and it blows

lost python
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lots of people complain about it but the only thing i find annoying are the mandatory updates it does sometimes

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but at least they are over within 2 minutes

dull garnet
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Well, yeah

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And da ram usage!

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Like I don't already have more ram than I'll ever need

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I set mine to pulse with music, because that's stupid

lime wasp
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Also, I forgot who the SFF people here are

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Someone else @ them for me

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BUT THERE IS A 4080 FOR SFF PCs NOW!

https://noctua.at/en/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-noctua-edition

lost python
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well yeah to be fair, razer eats like 300-400mb ram. a big chunk out of my 32gb
and same i put the music effects for spotify <_<

lime wasp
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It's only 310mm long!

dull garnet
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If I was a dumb idiot with more money than sense, sure

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The kind of person that pays £30 for a single 120mm fan

lime wasp
lime wasp
lost python
late basalt
dull garnet
lime wasp
#

@potent arrow @golden stream

You two are the big SFF people. Now I remember.

Finally have a 4080 that can fit in SFF cases.

https://noctua.at/en/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-noctua-edition

wraith agate
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question

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how do I reset my graphics driver to a previous version?

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my game is stuttering worse than ever

modest moss
#

!faq ddu

opal pantherBOT
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How to do a clean reinstall of your drivers

Step 1: Download Device Driver Uninstaller.

Step 2: Download the newest driver from your graphics card manufacturers website: AMD and/or Nvidia.

Step 3: Disconnect your internet and restart your PC in safe mode.

Step 4: Run Device Driver Uninstaller and click on 'Clean and Restart' after you select your device type and GPU.

Step 5: After the PC restarts and you are disconnected from the internet, install the drivers you downloaded from Step 2.

Step 6: After you install them, restart your PC one final time and reconnect your internet.

modest moss
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Download the driver you want to use first

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amd or nvidia sites will list older versions if you poke around

wraith agate
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hmm

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before I go for it, I might try an old trick

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I restart my PC

wraith agate
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adorable

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finally a PC that looks average next to me

sly elk
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that said, that dual fan 4080 might fit some sff cases

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I'm not a fan of the look (but I would be if it was all black) but I also can't hate em for trying different colors

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also it uses normal fans sooo

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you could theoretically take the card apart, put in chromax fans, and paint the shroud

royal forge
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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THOMAS | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/98483077
sly elk
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wait why does she have elf ears

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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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マリー | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/87598801
lime wasp
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I'm pretty sure an H1, Meshroom or Meshlicious count as SFF Kyanche.

royal forge
sly elk
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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とあ | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/93994347
cerulean talon
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Aw, I love those eyes

sharp star
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why do I feel like the "X" method of applying thermal paste is "too much" for my liking

lime wasp
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All you need is a pea-sized dot on the center.

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And...to remember WTH a "pea" is when trying to apply the paste, since you'll forget the moment you go to try.

sharp star
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doesn't cover the whole IHS

lime wasp
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Your dot wasn't big enough then. Because other than maybe the tippy top corners it should be enough.

Also depending on your CPU the hot spots are in different areas.

sharp star
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X and thin spread methods cover it all

sly elk
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TIL VW thinks their cars have a lifetime of 15 years

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that seems overwhelmingly optimistic for a VW

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lol ok I kid. It can be done.

royal forge
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
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天江ひなた&ひかげ | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/90380049
sly elk
#

Building cars is hard. Building Ford Broncos, it seems, is particularly difficult. The truck’s production has been stymied at every turn by issues from chip supplies to improperly-built parts, but now it faces a new issue: The Ford Ranger. Ford is pausing production on all manual-transmission Broncos, as well as the Base and Everglades trim levels, to revamp its Michigan Assembly Plant for the next-generation Ranger.

deep sapphire
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What the fuck is ford even doing anymore

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You can’t even make enough mavericks which I honestly forgot was even a thing

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Now you suddenly care about the ranger again?

royal forge
#

!hank

opal pantherBOT
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甘城なつき | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/76625925
sly elk
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i wonder if anyone else is gonna try to copy twitter and just lay off too many people lol

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and accidentally dumpster their company

sly elk
odd sand
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Also doesn't make sense from the perspective that Broncos are popular now and they're gonna pause production for something else?

sly elk
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the ranger they sell now is basically the f150 of europe

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the maverick is already the length of a full size car

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the 10" difference between the ranger and maverick is tough to comprehend, but the maverick is based on a fwd suv platform so it's probably roomier inside

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maverick vs f150 though

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this pic tells a better story

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the old ranger is shorter but has more bed because it has less cab XD

odd sand
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And yes, I can't imagine them selling a standard cab truck anymore bc the margins aren't big enough for them even if there might be demand as service trucks

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Funniest thing to me was Napa going from Ford Rangers to like Fiestas or something haha

sly elk
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yeeeaaa

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i've seen worse

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before the rangers, most of the napa stores in the bay area had geo metros

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WITH THE HAT

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at its height, that location had a bunch of rangers

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now they've only got one uh yaris?

golden stream
sly elk
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sadly can't find a pic of a white geo metro with that goofy napa auto parts hat on it

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oh well

odd sand
# sly elk

Oh yeah it wasn't Fiestas it was the Yaris right.

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Which makes a certain amount of sense, since they rarely haul anything big. Don't need much space for a few brake rotors and pads, or maybe a radiator.

sly walrus
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alpha, get me five 40-somethings with significantly dulled attitude

sly elk
# odd sand Oh yeah it wasn't Fiestas it was the Yaris right.

I recall hearing that when ford discontinued the ranger in the US back in like 2010, the reason they didn't announce a replacement was they found most of their buyers bought it because it was the cheapest car they sold, regardless of type or use case

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and they decided they had other cars that were similarly cheap and people could just buy those

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It turns out that most Ranger owners don’t agree with me. “Ford has conducted research that shows that the majority of Ranger buyers don't purchase the vehicle because it's a pickup,” said Derrick Kuzak, Ford's Vice President of Global Product Development, in an interview with Autoblog. “Instead, they come into the showroom looking for the least expensive, most economical Ford available.” Kuzak also mentioned that the automaker hopes those looking for cheap transportation will opt for the Ford Fiesta, while shoppers who want big utility in a small package will consider the Transit Connect.

odd sand
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Saw people meme'ing on Reddit about Mighty Morphine Power Rangers Oww, my back!

sly elk
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lol

odd sand
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Yeah I think that's largely what happened is they shifted from the Ranger to the Transit Connect

sly elk
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and then discontinued the transit connect 😄

odd sand
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Did they really? Are they insane?

sly elk
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hmm I thought they did

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oh they discontinued the passenger transit connect

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wait wait no

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they DID

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Ford initially planned to manufacture the third generation of the Transit Connect in Mexico for export to the United States and Canada, instead of manufacturing them in Spain, to avoid having to manufacture the cargo variants of the Transit Connect as passenger vans and then convert them to cargo configuration after entry into the US before being delivered, while still avoiding the 25% US chicken tax tariffs imposed on imported commercial vans and trucks. However, Ford cancelled these plans due to declining sales of the small van segment in those markets.[32][33]

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I think whoever is running ford is currently trying to run it into the ground

odd sand
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Oh I heard about that. The irony is the "chicken tax tariff" was their own lobby doing lol

sly elk
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it's the only thing that makes sense to me, which is freaky because a couple years back they seemed to be making one madly successful thing after another

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eh there's more to it.

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The third-generation Tourneo Connect for the European market was released in October 2021 as a rebadged and restyled fourth-generation Volkswagen Caddy.[27]

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see basically ford decided to stop making transit connects ENTIRELY

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not even in europe

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they're just selling a rebranded vw caddy now

odd sand
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They lobbied for the tax to prevent foreign vans and trucks from being sold in the US, which then fscked them here where they wanted to build them outside the US

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So they would put a cheap plastic seat into them that could be unbolted after being brought into the country

sly elk
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yup

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that is ironic af

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i like the vw interior with the ford wheel lmao

odd sand
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Doesn't make sense bc the small van market is very popular and profitable isn't it?

sly elk
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idk

sharp star
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https://youtu.be/my1lyUE7WVM has anyone seen this yet?

We’re running 100 TV models for an average of 18 hours a day to simulate 10 years of usage in just two years. We’re testing the reliability of TVs by running them to the limit.

At this point, we’re four months into our 2-year test, clocking in about a year’s worth of usage. In this video, we’ll go over the results we’ve gotten so far, includi...

▶ Play video
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also never really thought about using CNN as a way to torture test a TV

odd sand
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Need a utility that has the colors on your taskbar rotate thru RGB and the icons all slowly wobble back and forth huh? ;p

sharp star
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anyway my main takeaway is that QD-OLED not natively having a white subpixel is oof

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Normally I would say "haha Samsung and their funny quality control issues" but then Sony also exhibited issues as well

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So I'm gonna guess Dell/Alienware and any other QD-OLED displays are at higher risk for burn-in than WOLED

torpid kayak
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I want to get a 1 TB SSD, but not sure MSI Spatium or Sasmsung one (around US$10 more expensive)

sharp star
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I've personally had better experiences with Crucial and WD lately than with Samsung. No opinion on MSI SSDs

torpid kayak
sharp star
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Well yeah

sly elk
sharp star
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Samsung a few years ago didn't really have that much problems

sly elk
#

samsung was considered the best

sharp star
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nowadays I hear more horror stories than usual about Samsung

sly elk
#

at least in terms of SSDs

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i wanna say the 850/860/960/970 were all considered good

torpid kayak
sly elk
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wasn't the 970 pro the one with a 10 year warranty?

sharp star
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Yeah no one was able to beat Samsung at the time

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I think so

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And then the 980 series/990 Pro came out and started having their own big issues

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I've had a couple of Samsung 980s die on me

sly elk
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the $80 2tb intel 670p that came a few days ago is kinda hard to beat in value hahaha

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but admitttedly it's a pcie gen 3

sharp star
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So I'm considering switching to Crucial

sly elk
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I am doing that

sharp star
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Or WD

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Actually yeah probably Crucial

sly elk
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my newest SSD is a p5 plus

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i haven't set it up yet lol

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for $123 for a 2tb I couldn't say no

real edge
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my 970 evo plus is fine but I am hearing bad stuff about 980 and 990 so if in the future I need a new drive I will swap

torpid kayak
sly elk
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and then that $80 670p came along hahaha

sly elk
#

the older 970 evo plus (horizontal box design) has a more reliable controller

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err at least

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the later ones I heard used the same brand as the 980s but that's really unreliable

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err

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that source! is unreliable

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I haven't heard anyone complain about 970s

sharp star
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970s were fine

sly elk
#

ohh

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newegg still has em

sharp star
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my SN850 works really nicely

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Haven't had issues with any of them

sharp star
dull garnet
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Might get a 970 Evo 2tb to replace my adata drive

sharp star
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people only complained about read/writes on the "new" 970 EVO Pluses but not failures

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Still, I'd stay away from Samsung for the time being

torpid kayak
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spot the unusual

cerulean talon
#

!hank

opal pantherBOT
#
KeenH | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/79753379
sharp star
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vertical NH-D15?

torpid kayak
inland mauve
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but why would you mount it like that

golden stream
torpid kayak
#

😄

torpid kayak
uneven spade
#

but as usual. firmware updates have shipped and perfectly fine drive as of today

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tho the SN850X is probably one of the best drives right now to pick

golden stream
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oy @torpid kayak
look dis

inland mauve
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I have two 970 Pros, one 500GB for the OS and one 2TB for other shit

golden stream
#

sale in 26 March

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let see
my w10 is on a crap Kingston 120GB 2.5 SSD, my linux is on Kingston 1TB NVMe
XIV on a NVMe ADATA 250GB I got for pretty cheap-ish

uneven spade
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I still idk how those issues made it past QA but they did fix it after every reviewer went mad KEKW

uneven spade
golden stream
uneven spade
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oh boy

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phison s11 crap - straight to the bin

golden stream
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bc it's crap I have reason to not touch it frequent

uneven spade
#

I sadly see those fail at work all the time

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like I had to replace 8 of those

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literal piece of shit SSD

sharp star
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I trust Kingston less than Samsung lmao

uneven spade
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Kingston makes decent budget drives. but the A400 specifically is a terrible SSD

golden stream
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ADATA is kinda fine

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if in term of budget drives but then I only use their NVMe

uneven spade
#

same goes for the PNY CS900 or the Patriot Brust. those drives use a controller that Phison themselves don't want to mention anymore

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as every s11 drive will die

golden stream
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ngl that drive is arse tho

sharp star
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oh lord PNY

golden stream
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but I have a whole drive to burn so uwucarby

uneven spade
#

but tbh. always check the specific models of each company

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Crucial also caught in doing bullshit

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won't forget the P1 and P2

golden stream
#

sadly I'm not that deep in SSD/NVMe yet

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mostly in CPU-GPU opti end

uneven spade
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especially quietly going from TLC to QLC with the P2 while telling nothing to consumers

sharp star
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I’m still annoyed that they killed off their Ballistix brand

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thanks Micron

golden stream
#

le WAT

golden stream
#

kinda explain on the shortage of ballistix

uneven spade
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the ics on modern 3200@16 or 3600@18 sticks are so fucking bad

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can't tune for shit

torpid kayak
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will it hurt the SSD's life span if I download files, view/edit them and delete them after my job is done in high frequency? like dozen of GB per week

golden stream
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ngl memory for SFF is pretty tight choice
either corsair or ballistix

golden stream
sharp star
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I have two kits of 2x16 3600 Ballistix RAM

inland mauve
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here's a tech tip for you: perish

sharp star
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One of them is in my sister's PC

sharp star
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It was so annoying because I bought them less than a year before they went EOL

uneven spade
sharp star
#

Ethereum should literally explode

uneven spade
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like all of that crypto bullshit

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ohh the channel is showing some restoration signs (nvm, the scammers are trolling)

royal forge
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Uh

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The fuck is happening?

#

To LTT?

cerulean talon
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!hank

opal pantherBOT
#
RUKA | https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/85916271
royal forge
#

Hacked or meme

potent arrow
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This is a common crypto scam lmfao

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I've seen it on multiple channels before

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It's just a 2FA hack

royal forge
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Then why old Linus vids

potent arrow
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It deleted/hides videos so old stuff is probably coming back up

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John Heinz and a few others I followed had the same issue lol

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YouTube is probably trying to restore their videos rn

royal forge
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Ah

potent arrow
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I can name so many channels this has effected

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It's hilarious how all of them had google 2Fa too

royal forge
#

The musk rat streamin was a surprise

potent arrow
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Bypasses 2FA lol

golden stream
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Ehhhhh LTT got hacked??

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Their twitter is also gone

royal forge
#

i see their twitter still

golden stream
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Their twitter now set privated
The handle still LTT but not the display name, display name be NOT LINUS

royal forge
#

hmm

golden stream
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Ohhhhh ok I searched the other handle tho

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TechLinked gon as well

royal forge
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i mean

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wouldnt you WANT 2FA normally

uneven spade
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the main channel is down

uneven spade
royal forge
#

what would the alternative be?

uneven spade
#

avoid passwords altogether

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go with security keys

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Stuff like YubiKey exists for this very reason

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the idea of normal passwords should just burn in hell already

wide hill
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from what i heard, they stole the login cookie token

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so, if you got access to the browser cookies, then it would be as if you were always logged in

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since the cookie is grabbed when you already confirmed with a 2fa

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one way to fix this, is to make every single tab a seperate cookie-cache.
new tab? login again.

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but that could only be done on your own browser

graceful pine
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2fa can only do so much with a skilled hacker

deep sapphire
#

This should be a wake up call for google to get their shit together

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The fuckin rampant scams and security is so bad on YouTube

graceful pine
#

Plenty of YouTubers I would never think would get hacked have been lately

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Like a heavy metal guitarist I watch he got hacked like a year ago

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Dunno why someone would hack his account

modest moss
uneven spade
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basically sit and do nothing

graceful pine
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Forget if Brin and Page are still at the head of google

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Would think they would care

golden stream
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I use Authy tho, it's fine

wide hill
#

this one?

potent arrow
#

I just recomend using a password manager and yubikey lmaoooooo

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and I use keypass 2

modest moss
wide hill
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internal phishing

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or i think so?

modest moss
#

Yeah, but isn't everything vulnerable to that

#

Gotta gamble somewhere

wide hill
#

According to the company, the as-yet-unidentified threat actor convinced multiple Twilio employees into handing over their credentials, which allowed access to the company’s internal systems

#

on a different article

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however

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2fa shouldn't have been accessible internally either?

#

you'd hope they encrypt it, and you decrypt it when entering in with a password

#

oh nvm

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The attack used SMS phishing messages that purported to come from Twilio’s IT department, suggesting that the employees’ password had expired or that their schedule had changed, and advised the target to log in using a spoofed web address that the attacker controls.

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they were using their phone numbers to send fake links, to make it look legitimate.

hard drift
torpid kayak
#

13600kf worth to consider over 12600k if price gap is 100 usd?

hard drift
#

what's the price gap comparing it to the 12600kf?

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but overall it's not a huge difference going from 12600k to 13600k so it depends on what you want to spend it on. you could use that extra money saved for a slightly better gpu or a bigger ssd

torpid kayak
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Around $230 for 12600k

hard drift
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that's the k or the kf?

torpid kayak
#

K

hard drift
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i mean personally i'd go for the 12600k and use the money saved on something else

torpid kayak
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Mhm i lean toward that too

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There is also 5600 which is 50 buck cheaper, but i think to die on the hill of 12600k

deep sapphire
#

They had the same exact problem when Starcraft II first came out

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The menu ran at an uncapped frame rate causing GPUs to run at max utilization

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People would idle at the menu not thinking anything of it and it was killing nvidia fermi cards

real edge
#

LOL

hard drift
deep sapphire
#

It did really well in computation workloads even beating the 780Ti

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But let’s be real Kepler was a meme

#

The GTX 700 series became obsolete so fast

deep sapphire
#

Why aren’t you cool like willie Nelson in his ragged old Chevy

hard drift
deep sapphire
#

Pleb

hard drift
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Gonna develop toned abs from all this coughing

deep sapphire
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Need to quit smoking

hard drift
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Lmao

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Second hand smoking gonna kill me

deep sapphire
#

I remember when Skype had a hidden emote for smoking and it had a smiley face coughing with a smoke hanging out of its mouth

#

Fuckin discord mobile

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Gif isn’t playing

hard drift
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I don’t know what you mean it’s playing on my end

wide hill
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don't upload a 10gb gif

graceful pine
lost python
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tl;dw:
samsung bad

sly walrus
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this is known

real edge
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what is that title lmao

sly walrus
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i had a samsung blu-ray player once that i swear to fuck was haunted

hollow hamlet
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oh my fycking good

lost python
real edge
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my odyssey G7 is working really well but I see a lot of people on the internet complain about theirs

hollow hamlet
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all my google searches and services are blocked in express vpn

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Just started today, been using the vpn forever

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wtf

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ven my gmail app on my phone. Everything google, across desktop and mobile just will not work. Everything else is fine... what's going on today? Did I miss something?

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eh, I don't need to see my email rn anyway, i'll check it tonight. :\

modern iris
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Does anyone know the logistics that goes behind banning an app? (due to the tiktok controversy)

I'm in software engineering, so dont be afraid to get more technical in the response. Lets say TikTok gets banned in the U.S. What exactly is "banned" by law?

The entire code? The name? The entire company? Patents? Etc..

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What would stop the company from creating "TokTik", if TikTok gets banned, with the exact/tweaked code?

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I never understood how software can get banned, since software is just code.

inland mauve
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it depends on the exact wording of the ban, but generally it means that it is policy not to allow a certain application to be run for certain conditions, and the understanding that people will follow the "spirit" of the ban and not try to find loopholes around it

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if you want to make the ban also enforced on a technical level you're going to have to think about using an application like InTune, which forces a mobile device to follow technical limitations put in place by an organization in order to be allowed access to certain digital services of that organization

odd sand
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In the case of Tiktok I believe it's essentially looking for a ban on that corporate entity and any related companies or subsidiaries

uneven spade
odd sand
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So they aren't allowed to have a subsidiary company roll out an app called Rikrok to get around the ban

modern iris
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Thank you guys for explaining!

graceful pine
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In reality people would likely circumvent the ban

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VPN or even a tor browser

inland mauve
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in my experience you need enforcement, because a lot of people don't fully understand the risks of the digital world and/or just don't think about it

modern iris
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If TikTok is banned, Apple would likely be forced to remove it from the App Store. @graceful pine

graceful pine
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They would yeah

modern iris
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Android can just sideload tho

inland mauve
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so for a government agency to be absolutely sure that TikTok won't come anywhere near their data, they would need to use something like InTune

graceful pine
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But there would be a lot of potential ways around it

inland mauve
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and ban devices not enrolled in their InTune program from accessing their web services

graceful pine
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Which is all sorts of potential privacy violations

inland mauve
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we do the same thing up to a certain level, for a mobile device to get direct access to our internal network, it has to be enrolled in our InTune programme

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but people don't need InTune to read their email on their mobile device

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so we could still go further with it

graceful pine
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intranet and stuff is another matter

odd sand
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Yeah generally the way it's done is use endpoint mgmt of the gov devices to make sure its not installed, and check network traffic logs for any traffic associated with Tiktok

graceful pine
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I imagine you would be able to access tik tok through a tor browser

inland mauve
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also have a clearly communicated Acceptable Use policy, and make sure that people understand they're expected to follow the Acceptable Use policy and that violations of it may have disciplinary consequences

odd sand
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Can't sites have embedded tiktok videos though? So I wonder how that would work

uneven spade
# deep sapphire But let’s be real Kepler was a meme

Kepler was a meme due to its SMX layout. 192 CUDA cores per SMX while each SMX had only 4 warp schedulers (each could address up to 32 threads at once. 32x4=128). so 1/3 out of each SMX went unused unless you did write extra code to account for that issue. however, this wasn't the worst part of it. the unused cores still ate bandwidth

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tanking performance even more

inland mauve
umbral moss
graceful pine
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like the first step that was taken makes plenty sense

odd sand
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Yes, I'm aware

graceful pine
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it's banned on all government devices

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that makes plenty sense

odd sand
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I dunno why anyone at an age they would be working for a govt position would want to be on tiktok anyways

graceful pine
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well political adds

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most notably the youngest senator in the senate

umbral moss
odd sand
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I say that and then my brother sent me a link to him "going viral" on tiktok yesterday bc of a neighbor

umbral moss
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one thing that a particular group of politicians has figured out is mastery over using the internet to recruit and radicalize

graceful pine
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though if people still access tik tok through a tor browser

umbral moss
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and tiktok is where The Youth is these days, so you can see a whole bunch of supremely awful content aimed at them going through that channel

graceful pine
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I feel that would block a lot of the potential data harvesting

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I don't know fully how tor works

odd sand
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Couldn't they still hire a 3rd party to post the outrage content to tiktok for them?

umbral moss
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this is literally why gettr and truth exist lmao

modern iris
inland mauve
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Tor might mask your IP but that's not going to do you much good if the app has access to a bunch of other apps on your phone and can just pull the data directly from there

umbral moss
graceful pine
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it's owned by Bytedance

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which is a company in the people's republic of china

umbral moss
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tiktok tried to save itself by making a subsidiary that's based outside of china but the app is identical

graceful pine
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the ceo is Singaporean sure

modern iris
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Saying a company is owned by another company does not speak any volume in contracts or legal data collection

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For example, Nestle owns a shit ton of companies

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But all their subsidiaries are independently ran

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As is Tiktok with Bytedance

inland mauve
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there is no transparency on TikTok, no data processing agreements, no audits, no certifications, no idea why it needs to collect all that data, we just have the promise of the company to go on and promises are just words

umbral moss
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nestle is also the most evil megacorp on planet earth, so your example is kind of weak

inland mauve
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IMO TikTok should've just been the start of the ban

modern iris
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I specifically chose that because of this.

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So no, my example was perfect.

inland mauve
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did you just ask your first question as part of a bad faith argument on why TikTok should not be banned?

modern iris
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Not all of Nestles subsidiaries are evil, or evilly sourced.

graceful pine
umbral moss
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tencent is closer to a "we have no idea what our subsidiaries are doing"

modern iris
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Is Riot games a chinese company now?

umbral moss
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nestle is lockstep, goosestep towards "we want to control everything you can eat or drink"

modern iris
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Tencent owns them.

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I would argue the majority do not view it that way.

umbral moss
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riot's data collection policies have raised a lot of eyebrows, so yeah

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people do question if riot is, in fact, a chinese company now

modern iris
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As has every single american company in tech

inland mauve
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"American companies do it too" is not a good argument KEKW

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Google and Facebook have raised plenty of eyebrows themselves

modern iris
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It wasnt used as an argument, it was used as a reply to the same value as what was originally stated

graceful pine
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it's a start on cracking down on malicious data harvesting

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and with tik tok's direct ties to the CCP

umbral moss
inland mauve
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this really is just a bad faith argument KEKW

graceful pine
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there is straight national security interests involved that kicks the ball rolling

modern iris
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I dont think you are understanding why I brought up the exact same problem

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This is not a TikTok problem, and TikTok should not be banned. It is a fundamental problem with industry wide tech standards

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Our Government is absolutely dog tier when it comes to tech policies and laws regarding consumers.

umbral moss
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tiktok is the first domino to fall

modern iris
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And it will be the last

umbral moss
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don't expect insta or youtube to come out of this unscathed

modern iris
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Because Facebook has existed for several decades now.

graceful pine
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we hit the CCP first and it tips the dominoes

umbral moss
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facebook has existed for several decades and they've largely enjoyed protection from the law under the "well, rich people are making money so it must be OK" policy

modern iris
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Again, TikTok is not related to the CCP as to what is publicly known, or as far as their legal data collection is concerned. (in response to Roan)

umbral moss
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that shit isn't flying anymore

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so companies like google and facebook are starting to shit bricks as they realize that monetizing user data without consent or transparency isn't going to be a viable business model for them going forward

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that's why they're all pivoting towards "the metaverse" or "AI chat"

inland mauve
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you are missing the point, the problem isn't that it goes to the CCP anymore, it just sent the ball rolling where people are now thinking "hey exactly where is my data going and what are you doing with it"

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the GDPR in the EU does not apply to just Chinese apps

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it applies to every form of processing of PII

umbral moss
modern iris
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If you believe they will be going after American based companies after this, you're insane. Our congress has absolutely zero understanding of how this works. A congressman literally asked the TikTok CEO if "TikTok has access to our home routers".

umbral moss
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and it's why facebook and google started whining to the US government

inland mauve
graceful pine
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it just takes some good ole cold war tensions to tip the dominoes

umbral moss
modern iris
umbral moss
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no shit they don't have any idea how the internet works

inland mauve
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but right now it needs some enforcement of the Legitimate Interest legal ground, because I keep seeing companies abuse that ground

modern iris
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My point is that congress does not care about our privacy, otherwise companies such as Facebook would have already been banned.

odd sand
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Jack Ma was disappeared for a few months before resurfacing and was forcibly divested of Alibaba. If he can get steamrolled by the CCP, any company with majority business in China can.

modern iris
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Congress only cares because TikTok = china to them.

inland mauve
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so then make them care, this attitude of "TikTok should not be banned because you don't ban Facebook" isn't going to change anything

odd sand
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It would be naive to think China doesn't have access to all the data collected when they forcibly install CCP reps in all major companies and monitor the internet there with deep packet inspection

modern iris
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Im not trying to change anything, hence why I dont think TikTok should be banned.

graceful pine
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it's far better to at least use the cold war tensions to kick start the data regulation

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than do nothing