I've been looking at the two and its really hard to tell
#technology-discussion
odd sand
glossy ravine
PCPartPicker doesn't say it will have any conflict with anything
odd sand
The VC has more full PCIE slots vs the A has a couple x1 instead.
glossy ravine
I ended up buying the thing from Best Buy in the screenshot. Gonna be picking it up from a local store.
Worst case scenario I just return the MB
odd sand
If it hasn't shipped yet you should be able to cancel it
glossy ravine
Nah, it hasn't
odd sand
The difference is the one you chose has onboard RGB 
odd sand
Generally speaking boards that cost more have higher build quality, but the curve gets out of whack above 200-250 dollars
umbral moss
unless you're buying an AM5 board, then they're all > $250 because haha fuck you
odd sand
But like a 500-750 dollar consumer board isn't 2-3x the build quality
Reminds me of paying $500+ for a single CPU server board, but at least in that case there are more ram slots and beefier memory controllers etc.
umbral moss
But like a 500-750 dollar consumer board isn't 2-3x the build quality
usually not
but they do uprate the power electronics for the XXXTREME OVERCLOCKAN models towards the top of the board line
so if you happen to have a golden chip or you're very interested in min/maxing your CPU those do have some value
odd sand
Usually you're paying the bling tax and the small production R&D tax for the highend ones like that have onboard watercooling etc.
umbral moss
the top-end asus X760E has like, 48 phase CPU power lmao
it's double the next step down on the chart
you do get some upgrades for power delivery and they usually use more expensive components to ensure you don't get any weird line noise or ringing in the high frequency traces
it's not exactly worth the tax but it is the best if you're looking to pay for it
umbral moss
for me, I always get the wood tier chips that barely meet their rated speed, let alone going for XXXTREME overclocks
so it doesn't make sense to blow $800 on a halo board when the chip will be running at 1.0Vcore and barely making 5GHz 95% of its life
jaunty light
But it has AniME display!!
glossy ravine
The final piece of the puzzle is now here.
dull garnet
MSI 
sly elk
is that a dodge avenger? o_O
glossy ravine
is that a dodge avenger? o_O
Chrysler Sebring
glossy ravine
is that a dodge avenger? o_O
They put a sticker on top with a bar code that potentially had Identifying information on it, so I had to remove the sticker the best I can
(not sure why it tagged you again...)
But I now have all the bits and bobs to build a gaming PC.
(I don't have a free table currently so this is the best picture I could do )
sly walrus
build it on your bed
glossy ravine
Impractical at best, dangerous at worse.
sly walrus
if the ram craps out, yes
sly elk
Chrysler Sebring
close enough. thought I recognized the ac controls lol
glossy ravine
Turns out I got a Ryzen 5 5600x for the CPU, not a Ryzen 5 3600x
sly elk
try to prepare so that you are NOT interrupted while installing the cpu
glossy ravine
I'm gonna lock the cats out of the room and set up a desk to assemble things
sly elk
good ^^
it's the only part of building a PC that I'd worry about being careful with
it's good to be careful when installing the cooler, too.. since they tend to be kinda heavy/clunky and you don't want to scratch the motherboard
but it's nowhere near as delicate as the cpu pins (or motherboard socket pins if you're using a socket where the pins are on the board)
glossy ravine
Basically, you put on everything you can, RAM, CPU, etc.
Then put the power supply in, lock it in place.
Then the MB into the case after setting in the stand offs
Put in the IO shield before hand, line everything up.
Screw things down, the Graphics card is the last thing you put in
sly elk
mm installing the cooler depends on the case and the cooler, too. When I'm using an AIO I put the motherboard in and then install the cooler lol.
sly elk
i think it makes sense to install that on the board before putting it in the case ^^
yea that's fine
glossy ravine
Bless AMD for being beginner friendly.
Oh and of course, the Graphics card. Forgot to include that in the picture
(scribbled because my face was reflective in the shrink wrap
modest moss
you should fantasia
glossy ravine
you should fantasia
That's just a slang term for HRT. (Hormone Replacement Therapy) 
modest moss
HRT won't change his eyes
jaunty light
Might try to get a 4090 when i come back sunday
Apparently 1 best buy in LA has one
jaunty light
jaunty light
I want one!
modest moss
your 3090 is poggers still
modest moss
jaunty light
Once you go high refresh you can't go back
Cant believe i played OW1 back in the day on a fucking 12ms g2g 60hz panel
bitter girder
Oooo
modest moss
mince pie and custard, can't really go wrong
glossy ravine
Did the math, the whole PC build was cheaper than I thought it would be
I was expecting something along the lines of 1k/1,100 USD
burnt swallow
I has question
My mobo has like freaking 6 USB ports on it
Two of them have a solid blue side, three are solid black and one is orange
What's the difference between them
sly elk
they sent me that message like a year ago
no worries, all of the white strix cards were safely delivered to miners for their meme builds
glossy ravine
Two of them have a solid blue side, three are solid black and one is orange
I believe the Blue USBs are 3.0
glossy ravine
burnt swallow
My RGB is out and none of my buttons on my mouse are working
glossy ravine
Bad internet is making me double send 
burnt swallow
Imagine having bad internet
sly elk
also the apple one: probably black regardless.
sly elk
which tbh, I'm fine with that
burnt swallow
I'm gonna slap on one of my other side panels and see if they work
glossy ravine
It's a pretty good dream
sly elk
when you have that many colors, it's pointless to have colors
burnt swallow
If they don't my mouse is dying and it's time to get a new one
Can't find a Logitech G600 to save my life though 
I think it's the mouse
When I slap on my MOBA side (7 buttons) three of them don't work
The RGB comes back though but it's solid white because no profile for that side in Razer Synapse
sly elk
maybe the contacts need cleaning for the buttons?
burnt swallow
That's what I suspect
I need isopropyl 
How long does isopropyl take to dry
I have q-tips to dip in and wipe the contacts with
sly walrus
like a minute
burnt swallow
Oh
sly walrus
it evaporates fuckin quick
hard drift
they're pretty great
Nice
burnt swallow
If I get a 1440p monitor is HDMI 2.1 or DisplayPort 1.4 better
glossy ravine
If I get a 1440p monitor is HDMI 2.1 or DisplayPort 1.4 better
Apparently HDMI, but it depends on what you need it for.
"DisplayPort and HDMI cables deliver very similar performance, but they each have their advantages and disadvantages. HDMI is supported on more devices, but DisplayPort, which was designed for computers, has a few technical advantages. Overall, if you're looking to connect your computer to a new monitor, use DisplayPort if it's an option. If not, HDMI is an almost equally good choice. If your monitor has a limited number of inputs, using DisplayPort will also leave your HDMI ports free, which is great if you want to connect a game console or other device."
umbral moss
DP is generally better for high speed applications because it has higher bandwidth than HDMI, and a better connector
both cables are kind of garbo compared to the vastly superior SDI cable though 
burnt swallow
The what cable
I use an AMD RX 6800 XT and it has 3x DP and 1x HDMI port
My current monitor has a DP slot but it's 1080p and I don't need DP for that
What percentage of isopropyl do I want for cleaning electronics
burnt swallow
Highest I can find is 91%
umbral moss
locking connector, single pin conductor, massively improved capacitance/rolloff characteristics, superior insulation/noise rejection
oh, did I mention it has no encryption or HDCP so it has full bandwidth end to end
dull garnet
dull garnet
Highest I can find is 91%
I use 99% but it really doesn't matter that much
burnt swallow
I use 99% but it really doesn't matter that much
Imagine having 99%
I can't find that shit
burnt swallow
So 91% should be good
umbral moss
you just need enough alcohol to dissolve the organic solids
it doesn't need to be 99.9999% anhydrous isopropyl, you're not trying to sterilize surgical tools
dull garnet
yea 91 is gucci
modest moss
can you not just order 99.9 from ebay? tons of it on ebay uk
modest moss
oof
bitter girder
haha man lives in a phone
modest moss
I mean, cool that you live in Hawaii, but yeah shipping must be tricky
modern iris
Rgb is for kiddos
modest moss
preach
modern iris
Only lights I got is the blue ones on my fan which isn't installed, and my m/kb because it's easier to see at night
umbral moss
just dunk it in a vat of KY and call it a day
burnt swallow
I mean, cool that you live in Hawaii, but yeah shipping must be tricky
My mom has Amazon Prime so I use her account when I need something shipped
glossy ravine
My mom has Amazon Prime so I use her account when I need something shipped
Fun fact, Amazon Prime account perks can be shared to a different account. Even though she pays for it, you can have access to all those perks on your, separate account.
I share the perks mom gets.
modern iris
2 spoons of sugar, 1 spoon of instant coffee powder, 16 oz. of cold 2% milk ๐
dull garnet
I know psu cabling doesn't matter but that's some ghetto ass cabling
Spaghetti special
modern iris
eh i had em sorted with zip strips but its a pain in the ass when u need to mess with something
if i set the min clock speed it just stays at or around zero. is this normal? im trying to set it to 2100 mhz and it doesnt seem to be doing anything
this is amd adrenaline software btw
burnt swallow
Fun fact, Amazon Prime account perks can be shared to a different account. Even ...
Elaborate
Because the only way we know how is if the other person has a teen account
burnt swallow
region
I live somewhere to the tune of almost 3,500 miles away
glossy ravine
If you live in the US/what counts as the US, you should be fine
odd sand
My current monitor has a DP slot but it's 1080p and I don't need DP for that
I don't think there is a DP that only does 1080p that sounds ... odd.
burnt swallow
dull garnet
dp is pretty common for OEMs
void dove
HP and Dell love displayport, because they dont have to pay royalties to use it
HDMI requires payment for each port iirc
also, Displayport is just better IMO
HDMI should have stayed as a TV only standard :/
umbral moss
aiyo, the MSI atx 3.0 supplies are reasonably priced
are these secretly garbo and prone to exploding or something?
seems like a really good value compared to corsair's ax1600i
sly elk
i like that displayport is free, but it's more finicky about cables and random flickering and stuff
umbral moss
that's because you buy cheap bullshit cables
got it on monoprice for $1.72
why does my monitor keep flickering
sly elk
so are the ones that come with the monitors
umbral moss
I mean, those are also cheap bullshit cables lmao
you think they sent you a $25 noise-rejecting cable that was tested across the full DP frequency spectrum
sly elk
so I use this bullshit cable lol
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HVVHL23/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
hard drift
i use that cable and have 0 problems 
i even managed to do 4k 144hz on it but it got hot
sly elk
now that I think about it
what I was thinking makes no sense
i was blaming the cable but it might just be my gpu
hard drift
?
sly elk
well, I never experience that issue when using my work laptop
but regardless, both are plugged into the same kvm
hard drift
are you driving the same resolution/refreshrate?
hard drift
maybe then
sly elk
yea when I was troubleshooting a while back, an evga person claimed it was some kinda timeout and there's a registry hack to fix it
-goes to look that up-
umbral moss
will shill for these guys forever, they're a great "get what you pay for" example
also a big fan of the time monster cable tried to sue them and the owner was like "I'm an engineer and I have plenty of time on my hands, I'll see you in court"
void dove
shitty cables are prevalent no matter what standard you use, HDMI or DP
manufacturers make so many cables that dont meet the specifications
but work "well enough" in most cases, so they sell them
umbral moss
hell, most cat 6 cable isn't cat 6 rated
void dove
historically, ive had more problems with HDMI cables than DP cables
and most DP issues ive had are because of shitty docks, not the cable itself
umbral moss
HDMI is harder to make properly because of the way the cable is specified 
I hate HDMI so much
void dove
yeeeap
hard drift
???
hard drift
wtf did you do to your side panel???
burnt swallow
If I tug on the side panel without taking it off the RGB comes back on and the buttons work
I've done less than nothing to it
Except wiping it with 91% isopropyl earlier
hard drift
I've done less than nothing to it
how long have you had it?
hard drift
a few years?
burnt swallow
Almost two years I think
hard drift
either you degraded it that much or it's really shitty plastic (knowing razer it's the latter)
sly walrus
shame i don't know any other better mmo mice
hard drift
i personally want to try the aerox 9 one from steelseries but i hate the damn design
umbral moss
I just use my G900
and I bought a G903 with the pixart sensor in it, even though the hero sensor is apparently good-ish? ๐ค
hard drift
if only it was the fucking honeycomb design ๐ญ
umbral moss
gross
hard drift
idc about lightweight i want heft/buttons
burnt swallow
if only it was the fucking honeycomb design ๐ญ
hard drift
<a:meruGrabby:621817131050336256>
the honeycomb design is so nasty to me
you lubed it wrong smh
i mean weird is probably more accurate than hard
hard means you lubed it wrong
it should lol
switches get expensive real quick ๐
sly walrus
soon your body will be switches
hard drift
what switches are you buying???
are you a clicky kind of guy????
๐คข clicky is horrible
it'd cost me roughly 100 dollars for switches 
umbral moss
that's typical for a 100% keyboard?
hard drift
a variation of creams
umbral moss
some of the really esoteric switches are insanely expensive
hard drift
that's typical for a 100% keyboard?
it depends on the switch you buy
umbral moss
they're only 2g
burnt swallow
RTX 4090
hard drift
ah yeah, i forgot the die size of a gpu lol
hard drift
> RTX 4090
<:CLe_FeelsKCHHH:408369856254050324>
it's a solid gpu ๐
burnt swallow
it's a solid gpu ๐
It's overpriced you mean
umbral moss
for the price it's undisputably the best
burnt swallow
You don't need a 4090 for literally anything anyways
hard drift
It's overpriced you mean
nah, it's priced right for an enthusiast level card
umbral moss
You don't need a 4090 for literally anything anyways
500 fps in ovewatch 2
umbral moss
nah, it's priced right for an enthusiast level card
honestly, this too
burnt swallow
$2k GPU
umbral moss
the titan I have in this tower was $1200
burnt swallow
Your GPU costs more than my entire system did
just wait for x3d
umbral moss
comparing my tower to a 4090/5800X3D pair
it's a pretty significant improvement
on the carpet
hard drift
no it won't
x3d literally killed amd vs its own products
x3d zen 4 will shit on intel
and probably zen 4+/zen5
umbral moss
x3d literally killed amd vs its own products
this is kinda true, nobody wants to buy a "high end" AMD part because the x3d will be cheaper and faster in games lmao
hard drift
once x3d comes out for 7000 series it will be time to upgrade my cpu 
umbral moss
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I'm not buying a PC for a while yet, I still have to get the money together
by the time I have the money the 5090 will be out anyway
5x performance
hard drift
by the time I have the money the 5090 will be out anyway <:haha:2408412452394106...
since going UW i think i can actually hold off on a gpu upgrade 
umbral moss
I require as many frames as I can get
hard drift
do you even have a monitor that supports it ๐
umbral moss
playing XIV at a solid 1440/100 with a $2000 GPU
hard drift
bruh
umbral moss
my XB270 is 1440/144
hard drift
that's easy to do though even without going 4090 levels
umbral moss
that's easy to do though even without going 4090 levels
it's a joke about how shitty XIV's engine is
my titan does 1440/90 in most places in XIV
umbral moss
If the 4080 were priced at least $400 less then it would've been fine
if they did that nobody would buy 3090s
hard drift
If the 4080 were priced at least $400 less then it would've been fine
it will likely get a price drop when amd releases their cards
if nvidia is smart
but they never are
umbral moss
but they never are <:haha:240841245239410688>
if the 4090 is faster than the 7800XTXTXTXTXTXTXTXTXT it will won't budge
remember when nvidia released the titan V and it was $2500
and they never lowered the price
hard drift
if the 4090 is faster than the 7800XTXTXTXTXTXTXTXTXT it will won't budge
i meant the 4080
umbral moss
the 4080 won't see a price drop until the 3090 inventory clears out
and since the 3090 is largely competing with the 4090 that's not going to happen for a while
plus OEMs are saddled with full cost chips that they're not going to want to take a loss on across any of the price tiers
hard drift
plus OEMs are saddled with full cost chips that they're not going to want to tak...
i would want a reference model anyways
easier to waterblock
umbral moss
yeah
I just picked something roughly in the ballpark for price
since the FE is listed as $2800 on partpicker
hard drift
bruh
hard drift
buy her something and build your pc
umbral moss
she told me I could but she has no idea what performance parts look like
hard drift
he'll get a steamdeck and a chromebook
nobody should get a chromebook
umbral moss
she's like "this one looks good" and it's a $650 brick with a 1660 super in it
umbral moss
hard drift
1660s ๐คข
modest moss
nobody should get a chromebook
that's what you learn IT on at school now
they teach you to do google shit
hard drift
that's what you learn IT on at school now
๐ญ i remember using shitty fucking dells
umbral moss
the minimum I'll accept for a GPU is a 3060 if I'm going to buy a prebuilt
at least a 3060 is a little faster than my current tower
umbral moss
but if I'm going to build a true replacement, it has to be a 4090 or 7800XTXTXTX
hard drift
not 7900xtx?
burnt swallow
7900XTX is the AMD competitor to the RTX 4090 Ti
umbral moss
I thought the 6700 was the currently available card
hard drift
they had a 6900xtx but it was basically a 6900xt just better clocks
burnt swallow
I have a RX 6800 XT I won't be upgrading for a while
hard drift
7900XTX is the AMD competitor to the RTX 4090 Ti
no no, it's a 4080 competitor just look at the price 
burnt swallow
sly elk
the 4080 won't see a price drop until the 3090 inventory clears out
have you checked amazon/newegg/bestbuy lately? Anything about a 3070 is done and gone
burnt swallow
no no, it's a 4080 competitor just look at the price <:smugdori:6272197989837045...
That's why the 4080 Ti and 4090 and 4090 Ti are all overpriced
umbral moss
have you checked amazon/newegg/bestbuy lately? Anything about a 3070 is done and...
there's still plenty of overpriced shit in the OE channels though
hard drift
I have a RX 6800 XT I won't be upgrading for a while
the 7900xtx looks compelling but i'll wait for the rumored x3d or the 7950xtx
sly elk
there's still plenty of overpriced shit in the OE channels though
yea but there always is
sly elk
> buy this alienware with a 3080 for $3500
buy this dell xps with a 1650 for $1800
ok i exaggerated way too much
umbral moss
spending that much money on that PC is like asking someone to shit directly in your ear after a spicy taco meal
sly elk
I think they have the same motherboard
umbral moss
16GB memory
do OEMs realize that ram is practically free?
I put 64GB in my picker build for like $350 lmao
fuckin 16GB
get out
sly elk
tbh I think the real reason they do this
is to anchor their laptop prices as reasonable
umbral moss
this is why I keep telling my girlfriend the only real option is to build a PC
"what about a gaming laptop?"
what about them? they're as expensive as desktops and half as fast
hard drift
I put 64GB in my picker build for like $350 lmao
if you don't care about latency can probably get more for cheaper
sly elk
i think that gaming laptops are great for people who need them, but for me? fuck that shit, oh my gosh
dreamy chasm
They're fine if you know what to expect out of them
sly elk
but for someone who lives out of a suitcase and loves playing games? sure
dreamy chasm
Yeah
burnt swallow
I have 32 GB
sly elk
someone who games at lan parties and with friends at their place all the time? sure
dreamy chasm
Could see someone who lives a more active lifestyle having more use out of it
sly elk
yea!
burnt swallow
I chose 10ns first word, CL 30 DDR5-6000
dreamy chasm
I have an ITX rig for occasional travel but
sly elk
a gamer with an active lifestyle. or someone that wants a beefy portable. sure
but my goodness
dreamy chasm
I still would've found a gaming laptop more convenient, even in those events
sly elk
the last thing I want when gaming is to deal with a hot wheezy laptop that has a giant power brick lol
umbral moss
<a:meruGrabby:621817131050336256>
umbral moss
for 64GB in two slots?
umbral moss
try parting it out for similar latency/frequency in 4x16
I remember spending $800 on my first 64GB set
ram is practically free these days
burnt swallow
When tax season rolls around I'm gonna upgrade my CPU and my storage
Probably RAM too
umbral moss
I'm not buying anything until I have a large enough cash pile to just get everything in a month
burnt swallow
That's why I'm waiting for tax season
umbral moss
then it'll be time to power on the monolith
I'm using my tax refund on replenishing my cash reserves
I was very irresponsible with money this year and I need to go back to deep saving
late basalt
When tax season rolls around I'm gonna upgrade my CPU and my storage
Keep in mind a cpu upgrade might require a full upgrade
umbral moss
yeah, AM4 is dead and AM5 requires DDR5
sly elk
hmm 7950x or a 13900k
umbral moss
so unless you already have DDR5 you're going to need new ram, new board, and new CPU
burnt swallow
so unless you already have DDR5 you're going to need new ram, new board, *and* n...
Good thing I do have DDR5 and it supports 12th and 13th gen Intel CPU
MSI Pro Z690-A
I'm either going to go up to the i7-12700K or grab either the 13th gen i5 or i7
Don't know how the i5-13600K fares against my current i5-12600K or the i7-12700K
hard drift
I chose 10ns first word, CL 30 DDR5-6000
i have cl 19 atm i didn't care
sly elk
CL24 but it's got RGB! 
burnt swallow
My PC sits to my left
I can't see any RGB inside it
Not that there's any to see since I can't see it 
void dove
upgrading from a 12600 to a 13700, seems like a waste, unless you know you are cpu bottlenecked right now, or Really want insanely high FPS
most games are GPU bottlenecked nowadays, any mid range CPU will not have any issues running most games over 144 fps
even more so if you are running 1440p or 4k resolutions, CPU upgrade will do even less there, as thats even more GPU load.
modest moss
My PC sits to my left
listen to DorkNoot
12600k is fine unless you're going high end on everything
void dove
most gaming PCs can skip a couple of CPU generations, if you get a mid range CPU, and not really notice, you are better off investing the money into a better graphics gard
sly elk
this is kinda why I don't get the big deal about motherboard chipsets sometimes
if i bought am4 or am5 right now
by the time I upgraded again
it's likely the chipset would be EOL or about to be EOL anyway
but at the same time, if I had gone with x470 back then i could be using a 5950x now
instead of this dumb 9700k ๐
modest moss
this is kinda why I don't get the big deal about motherboard chipsets sometimes
yeah just build the best thing you can afford, enjoy it until it no longer serves a purpose
void dove
even then, a 5950x isn't the best buy for gaming
generally a 5900x will do better, as it has higher base clocks
burnt swallow
I'll probably just end up waiting for 14th gen and then switching over to AMD and doing a full PC upgrade
void dove
semantics though
5950x is best for production workloads, like blender, tile based rendering, anything that can take advantage of the extra threads, but you lose on base clock speed for stability
sly elk
wut
void dove
why you need consider what your use case is
modest moss
unless you're a rich dumb dumb like Ice or Honk, 12600k will last longer
burnt swallow
15th gen? 
burnt swallow
AMD RX 6800 XT
burnt swallow
I should've grabbed a 3070 instead of this 6800 XT because I don't play a single AAA title except for Cold War
void dove
uh yeah, thats more than good, no upgrade required
modest moss
that just means it'll last even longer
void dove
save your money
modest moss
that combo should play everything for a few years at 1440p on great settings
void dove
yeap, agreed
modest moss
don't fall into the trap of trying to min/max
burnt swallow
I want a 1440p monitor
modest moss
oh yeah that's worth it
void dove
oh you did what i did lol
burnt swallow
What'd you do
void dove
i upgraded my PC, to a 5900x and 3070
BUT my monitor was still a 1080p, 60hz, for like 6 months
then when i got the money, and got a good sale/deal
burnt swallow
Mine is 1080p 144hz
modest moss
going to 1440p is a nice jump yeah
sharp star
1440p ultrawide is great
burnt swallow
Ain't that like
void dove
eh, i stuck with normal aspect ratio
void dove
i play odd stuff ssometimes, dont wanna have to deal with things that can't handle an ultra
modest moss
ignore these nerds suggesting overpriced oled shit
void dove
i also dont have the desk space
burnt swallow
I don't either right now
void dove
go check out hardware unboxed
modest moss
yes Ice I mean you
burnt swallow
If I got an ultrawide I think I'd have to set my monitor off-center from where I sit at my desk
void dove
they do in depth monitor reviews
burnt swallow
And that'd be awful
modest moss
everything about you is overpriced my dude
modest moss
rtings is also worth reading
sharp star
I didn't get OLED
void dove
i found a few they recommended then stumbled accross a deal for one i liked, and the rest is history
modest moss
and when you have cash for a monitor ping Nhadala, he really nerds out over monitors
burnt swallow
I walked into Best Buy, told them I wanted a 1080p 144Hz monitor and walked out with the monitor I currently have
sharp star
plus the Alienware OLED isn't available in my country
void dove
lol, not the best idea ๐
burnt swallow
That is probably not a good idea to repeat for a 1440p 165Hz monitor
void dove
high refresh rate monitors, can have issues with ghosting
modest moss
very happy with my LG
void dove
and inconsistent at different refresh rates
which is why i recommend hardware unboxed, they test all that
void dove
Lg makes good panels and monitors in general
they were up there as really good bang for buck and quality for ages
void dove
ahahaha, thats the 144hz version of my old 60hz monitor ๐
burnt swallow
Indeed
modest moss
I have LG 27GP850-B, rtings said it was the best at my price point so I went for it
burnt swallow
the hell is rtings
void dove
nice yeah the GP850 is good
modest moss
it's a review site
void dove
thats the one i was thinking of
modest moss
great for tvs, monitors etc
burnt swallow
Oh
modest moss
they're quite nerdy but not too nerdy
but yeah people in here will enjoy helping you pick a monitor for sure
burnt swallow
I know less than nothing about monitors
So when I get my tax return questions shall be asked
potent arrow
Cuz akko are budget switches they are pretty cheap
hard drift
i can't wait for my tax return ๐ i'm buying something shue will not disagree on for once
modest moss
i can't wait for my tax return ๐ i'm buying something shue will not disagree on...
never buy anything
hard drift
never buy anything
i'm buying an office chair ๐ญ
burnt swallow
i can't wait for my tax return ๐ i'm buying something shue will not disagree on...
modest moss
i'm buying an office chair ๐ญ
office chair or gamer chair?
potent arrow
But you can't actually see a layer in thickness
modest moss
sure then, buy something sensible
potent arrow
I mean as long as they are all cherry stem it'll work
hard drift
I mean as long as they are all cherry stem it'll work
nah he has box switches
void dove
fuck gamer chairs lol
buy something which is rated above your weight and well above average usage time, if you want something to last
i got a office chair rated for 120kg and 8+ hours of usage time per day, best chair i ever bought
potent arrow
I don't see why you can't use normal cherry keycaps with boxes tho
I've never had box switches
burnt swallow
Imagine not buying a gaming chair
potent arrow
But you should be able too ice
hard drift
buy something which is rated above your weight and well above average usage time...
the chair i have now is rated for over my weight
burnt swallow
I'm gonna buy one when I go home
potent arrow
Shitty plastic quality
Literally
No
Those look like regular cherry stem caps to me
Oh lmfao it's the boxed switches doing the cracking
https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?t=19509
void dove
the chair i have now is rated for over my weight
good, a lot of ppl dont even look at the specs
and also dont remember, that if you drop yourself in the chair, not sit down slowly, its more weight than normal briefly,
seen people break the gas in chairs before because of that ๐
burnt swallow
I'm heavy
potent arrow
void dove
whats that in non-freedom units ?
burnt swallow
205 lbs right now
hard drift
72 roughly
void dove
so basically like me then ๐
potent arrow
only 160 lbs
Hahaha ur light!!
hard drift
i know lol
potent arrow
im 90lbs give me some
hard drift
~~im 90lbs give me some~~
i used to be 120 area
void dove
sad, i can't find my chair online anymore ๐ฆ
not even sure you could get it overseas anywhere
void dove
pretty sure it was an officeworks only chair and has disappeared from their website
hard drift
void dove
is VERY similar to this one
https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/j-burrows-halifax-ergonomic-chair-black-jbhalifaxb
hard drift
that's what they all say
void dove
though id suggest trying out chairs first somewhere,before ordering
some ppl like different things
sly elk
though id suggest trying out chairs first somewhere,before ordering
no need bruh just buy a staples dexley or a staples hyken and then go yell at every post in /r/battlestations that has a gaming chair
"Your bedroom gaming setup doesn't look like accounts receivable rawr!!!"
modest moss
Ice did you ship my xmas gift yet?
gonna go cry myself to sleep ; ;
customs would yeet them
potent arrow
That's the point of linear.....
potent arrow
Ice did you ship my xmas gift yet?
Shue did you buy me a bday gift yet?
Uhdheiwkdjwjw
hard drift
potent arrow
Ice do some research please
hard drift
stop going for cheap switches smh
potent arrow
@tame fulcrum
https://youtu.be/wWx3vYrIYn4
https://youtu.be/MbL9j06siA0
Watch these
hard drift
also keep in mind it's to each their own for how they want their keyboard to sound ๐
you already said you like clicky so you're a masochist ๐ญ
potent arrow
And these
https://youtu.be/XSykbv27reM
void dove
i still use membrane keyboards ๐
hard drift
i still use membrane keyboards ๐
membrane is better than clicky ๐
idc what anybody says
potent arrow
hard drift
fuck clicky switches
sly elk
indeed
hard drift
WHAT
potent arrow
Feel free to ask questions after you watch these lol
hard drift
ARE YOU MY COWORKER???
sly elk
if i wanna click i'll slam my keys down like a man
potent arrow
I'm pretty sure a few of my switches are cracked kyanche lol
void dove
everyone i know swears up and down, mechanical is the go, and i should get one...
nah, i like my membranes, and im cheap, they work fine and i use them for like 8 hours+ every day
hard drift
everyone i know swears up and down, mechanical is the go, and i should get one.....
membrane lasts just finding replacement keycaps sucks ass
potent arrow
I have a seperate board for work lol
void dove
eh, i use them until the die, then replace it entirely
never really had to replace caps
hard drift
sly elk
potent arrow
Idk if I'm spending 16-18 hrs of my life at the computer everyday im going to use something I like the look off the feel off
So it's just preference
sly elk
yea so my experience with keycaps is the stuff corsair uses is junk
even the PBT stuff
the stuff my dygma came with has been fantastic
void dove
i like the look and feel of my membranes, so yea, to each their own,
ive just never had any reason to swap
sly elk
but the funny thing is I thought the dygma keycaps would be crap too. The bottom edges on them are not very neat. XD
void dove
and ive been hardcore PC gaming for like 20+ years now
potent arrow
I didn't even get mine to game, mines for work
sly elk
but the corsair ones are truly hilarious
potent arrow
RSI also played a big factor for me too
sly elk
for example, escape is always falling off
potent arrow
but the corsair ones are truly hilarious
Mines even worse
I had to debur mine ....
sly elk
lol
potent arrow
And I didn't like the way they sounded so I poured silicone into every
Single
One
potent arrow
Yes
boreal surge
Wasnโt there some recent news about a CA being deems untrustworthy and a vector for spyware?
odd sand
"I don't associate with plebs or breathe their air" headgear to wear on planes I take it?
sly elk
also so you can yell profanity and noody else hears
bitter girder
@modest moss fancy a date at maccies then
dreamy chasm
yea so my experience with keycaps is the stuff corsair uses is junk
Most gamery boards use thin keycaps
jaunty light
Hey man if i could do a bag thatd be cool cuz its pain to get up from window seat
dreamy chasm
Get their via compatible boards if you want something customizable firmware-wise
modest moss
Shue did you buy me a bday gift yet?
I don't buy things
deep sapphire
I don't buy things
Is it your daughterโs birthday yet
deep sapphire
Iโm thinking of just buying a used LS engine and putting in my truck, you can find a 6 liter V8 for like 500 bucks. Throw a new cam in it and theyโll do 450hp
modest moss
When it's my son's birthday in march I'll try and get him something milwaukee ๐
deep sapphire
royal forge
why would you ever want to go there <:smugdori:627219798983704588>
i hear the poutine is good
hard drift
i hear the poutine is good
it can be
deep sapphire
Get him an impact driver. Theyโre honestly amazing tools because they are super versatile
modest moss
He's gonna be 11, he's not going to want power tools lol
Was thinking a cap or t-shirt or something
royal forge
he's almost at the age tho
hard drift
fishing rod age 
deep sapphire
Oh lmao yeah probably not a good idea for power tools yet
potent arrow
I don't buy things
Not even food? T_t
modest moss
Not even food? T_t
Only festive pies and cinnamon buns
dreamy chasm
jades are probably the most tactile clicky switch you can get
But they can be pretty heavy compared to alternatives
sleeve clickies like mx blues are just awful, avoid them
hard drift
jades are probably the most tactile clicky switch you can get
clicky ๐ญ
an old friend
using fucking blues
dreamy chasm
blues are one of the worse offenders
they use a shitty mechanism that makes more noise than it actually adds in tactility
dreamy chasm
ice wants box jades
hard drift
STOP GOING FOR BOX
dreamy chasm
are they that bad
potent arrow
hard drift
are they that bad
they're extremely hard to get keycaps for
hard drift
and they add basically nothing vs a regular cherry stem
potent arrow
I looked it up
dreamy chasm
they were the best option for clickies last i checked
potent arrow
They just break most of them
potent arrow
Why boxed thoooo
dreamy chasm
PBT seems to be fine with box
hard drift
use the sites i sent then 
dreamy chasm
It's ABS sets that experience issues over time, apparently
hard drift
PBT seems to be fine with box
depends on the quality of the PBT
my old pbt keycap set was ass....
hard drift
this 40 dollar set i have is doing me justice ๐
dreamy chasm
reason why i say to avoid mx blues is
They have a little jacket/sleeve that's independant of the actual stem
and it makes a lot of noise when it actuates
but it doesnt actually feel that tactile compared to a decent tactile switch
Switches with actual clickbars tend to do a better job
Also
Don't buy GMK keycaps 
Just get the boxes
dreamy chasm
Have you looked at any clone sets
Dyesub is usually pretty cheap
Oh wait
Are you saying that you're looking for a uniform profile
instead of the curved profiles that're usually sold
ah, right
You could maybe consider getting a DSA set and just get a bunch of dsa blanks to fill in the rest, maybe
but that probably isn't going to guarantee a uniform texture across all the caps
hard drift
dreamy chasm
dont bother 3d printing
unless you have an SLA or metal printer
fdm is awful for keycap making
hard drift
metal keycap set 
i wish
dreamy chasm
Mostly because FDM layers tend to not bind properly and break after a while with how small the stem inserts have to be
- most fdm printers can't handle making an actually structurally sound stem
dreamy chasm
You're definitely not 3d printing that
Most 3d printed caps are either painted on or completely single color
modest moss
Ice gonna drop 2k on a decent 3d printer to save 50 bucks on keycaps
dreamy chasm
You can make some money off of 3d printed caps
But the market is pretty saturated if you're just planning on selling the usual stuff iirc
You could consider just getting an XDA set with the fonts you want and then just getting blanks in the same profile to fill in the rest
glossy ravine
I'm gonna be building the kids PC with mom.
But, she's gonna be busy till next week. As such, I'm gonna do some of the basic installation stuff.
I.e put in the RAM.
Putting the Power Supply in the case and screwing it in. Etc.
dreamy chasm
shouldnt be hard
odd sand
Just have to buy 4 sets of blank ones and get your own engraving on them /s
modest moss
hmm does redeeming a steam code count as making a purchase
I'd have been better off buying lottery tickets
yeah they don't count entering steam codes, they don't show in purchase history
12 Sep, 2022 Football Manager 2023 -Pre Purchase - [Digital] (EU) Retail
that's in licenses, but not purchase history
fuck you gabe
odd sand
Can I sign up even if I already bought one from them? heh
wide hill
BIG SAD
"""Unfortunately, it is not possible to register for the gift distribution from your region"""
being in europe and EรS but not EU 
To sign up, you must be located in the US, Canada, UK or EU
why is UK allowed, they brexit
smh
dull garnet
owned
hard drift
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/a-quick-look-at-amds-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-...
Smaller and will likely beat it
They need to make the 4080 900 usd and make a 4080 ti for 1200
sly elk
mmmm
hard drift
The only redeeming factor of the 4080 is dlss 3
If you even consider that a good thing
glossy ravine
My cooler arrived at the pick up area. 
If I didn't have work, I would be installing the new CPU by now.
sly elk
so mean
dull garnet
played with pbo some more, now I got a 200MHz boost override, all core goes as far as 4750MHz and i have a per core negative curve pog https://valid.x86.fr/z1ts2c
outer sand
so basically my old mobo died right? do I need to install windows again from the beginning or?
I also have ffxiv files on my games folder on c drive, how can I back up that now?
dull garnet
idk mang, if you weren't using secure boot or whatever then it should at least boot but i'd do a clean install once you've recovered files
also a good scenario to illustrate why a dedicated game drive is a good idea
paper tusk
unless you're building a basically new system should be mostly fine. the big settings of note are storage related
outer sand
the one that can't be relocated that contain all the hotbar/in game settings
paper tusk
might need to activate windows again
outer sand
that hotbar/in-game setting is in my documents and can't be relocated
waitttt
I don't even remember if I relocated my documents to my game drive ._.
cause I don't want to redo my settings from scratch, lol
dull garnet
mad lad
modest moss
stay in tech boys
it's mad out there
they linked this server on the game award for best community support
like it was official
it's hilarious
dull garnet
i saw
paper tusk
yeah discussion is a low grade shitshow even with 10s slow timer
outer sand
Do you know if I installed the new windows and they will backup the old documents file somehow?
I don't remember the step
odd sand
When installing Windows you are asked if you want to keep your existing files and apps
dull garnet
hehe appfata
outer sand
This includes the my games folder yeah? Just to make sure
Ok first I need to q flash this mobo then
dull garnet
my games is in documents so ye
paper tusk
if you install in windows it'll give the option to carry over apps/files. I don't think it does that anymore in the stand alone install (off usb stick)
otherwise it'll rename folders as .old
modest moss
sly elk
soooo where are all the newbies? :]
outer sand
mine's ak500, still out of stock ๐ฅฒ
real edge
mine's ak500, still out of stock ๐ฅฒ
the vetroo v5 will work on the 5600 non-x just fine
that things tdp is ultra low
hard drift
i'm still waiting for ice giants next product/the copper version
glossy ravine
Shower time
Brb
The only thing that kinda worries me is putting the thermal paste on
hard drift
why? that's easy
glossy ravine
why? that's easy
I'm just.
Anxiety.png
outer sand
same ๐ฅฒ
I'll wait till it's the right time and I'm not distracted
so I can focus on building this new parts
glossy ravine
Because like. I'm terrified of putting on too much and then it starts to leak onto the MB.
Too little and it doesn't do as it should.
sly elk
you'll be fiiinnneee
outer sand
oh wow, I thought it's only one tiny blob in the middle ๐ฅฒ
modest moss
you have to check manuals for the socket/cpu these days
deep sapphire
apply the pepperoni to the box
sly elk
relaax
as long as you're using something like arctic mx4 or noctua paste or whatever it's fine
real edge
the paste that comes with the cpu cooler is fine for the most part
sly elk
does that one come with anything?
real edge
yes
glossy ravine
I believe so
real edge
even the amd wraith prism stock cooler came with thermal paste
glossy ravine
Otherwise things would be very awkward
modest moss
glossy ravine
Pre-applied thermal paste*
modest moss
that stuff will do great for anyone who isn't doing huge overclocks
sly elk
DeepCool Z10 is a highly stable thermal compound and not electrically conductive or hazard to your PC components.
glossy ravine
I refuse to overclock
sly elk
so you can put it on thicc and it's ok
glossy ravine
Mostly bc I don't need to
modest moss
just follow the manual, it'll be great
glossy ravine
That and I'd like to extend the life of my PC components
modest moss
the pic I posted a bit ago was cropped from the manual
glossy ravine
nods
glossy ravine
It's mostly stupid-proof, yeah?
modest moss
there'll be a youtube too
sly elk
heheh
outer sand
still better than dropping a microfibre cloth like what I just did with my previous mobo ๐ฅฒ
and that microfibrecloth took few important pins from the mobo when I tried to take it off
glossy ravine
glossy ravine
Hoping to resell the Ryzen 5 2600 I have for like 50 dollars or something
With the cooler
On like. Ebay
outer sand
Hoping to resell the Ryzen 5 2600 I have for like 50 dollars or something
yeah hopefully my old cpu can also sold for that high
outer sand
btw the GPU hasn't arrived yet
Should I wait for the GPU to arrive? or install the parts with old GPU first?
wait the ak500 to be available? or use the stock CPU cooler first?
sly elk
stock cpu cooler with which cpu?
You can use your old gpu until the new one arrives, if you want
if your cpu came with a cooler, it should work fine until your upgraded cooler arrives.
outer sand
was concerned with the new cooler, will it give me a new paste as well? my new CPU is 5600
outer sand
You can use your old gpu until the new one arrives, if you want
will switching GPU be a hassle for me?
from GTX1050 to the RX6600
sly elk
nah.
common advice would be to use ddu to uninstall the nvidia drivers, and then install the amd drivers & gpu
but in my experience it doesn't matter lol
paper tusk
the worst that'll happen is you'll ram your head against the baked in drivers, or windows update
sly elk
i went 1070ti -> 5700xt -> 3070 and realized when i installed the 3070 that I never uninstalled geforce experience lol
outer sand
hmm
sly elk
yea and my experience with amd is that the software is really nice
it's more polished than the crap most AIBs distribute
as for CPU coolers and thermal paste, your ak500 will come with a tube of it.
just wipe the old stuff off the cpu before you put the new stuff
outer sand
I don't want anything to do with cleaning involving CPU ever again, this cooler will stay there for the next 6-10 years
permanent thermal paste ๐น
outer sand
ok
sly elk
-chuckles- but it's a 5600x
tbh if I were in your shoes
I would wait for the new cooler to arrive
and also
can't you get something else that is in stock so you don't have to wait?
I don't blame ya for fearing damage again
this kinda crap happens with amd cpus sometimes
people go to pull the heatsink off and the cpu comes with it lol
outer sand
oh dam I remember this yeah
paper tusk
yeah if have to remove the cooler, twist instead of pull
outer sand
ah ok twist first, good idea
sly elk
i think that only happens if it's on a really long time
still, maybe a different heatsink so you can get it sooner?
outer sand
there's no lock between mobo and cpu?
paper tusk
otherwise have to pry gingerly to remove it from heatsink (and a screwdriver is the wrong answer)
outer sand
uh yeha I haven't opened mine from the box, not sure how the mobo looks like
sly elk
that's an am4 socket in the picture
paper tusk
the lever thing next to the socket usually is what keeps it in place (puts pressure on the pins) . edit: on am4
sly elk
the 5600x is an am4 socket cpu, they all look the same and they all have that ability lol
iirc the way those sockets work is there's two grids and the top one (plastic shell of the socket) slides to lock the pins in place when you move the lever
that video shows it off really well ^^
intel CPUs do something weirder where the processor is just held in by tabs on the lid
outer sand
this?
sly elk
yea.
the intel socket is a LGA (land grid array)
the amd am4 socket is a PGA (pin grid array)
outer sand
hmm ic ic
I feel like AMD is better yeah, cause pin are the fragile parts and better put on top alongside the CPU, than Intel where the pins is with the Mobo and have the CPU press on it.
or does it not matter? ๐ค
potent arrow
yeah if have to remove the cooler, twist instead of pull
Rofl I had someone twist a prebuilt I made and it was attached on with thermal epoxy
sly elk
damn
my first new pc was a prebuilt kinda generic brand from fingerhut. They put hot glue on all of the connections lol.
At the time I thought they were insane, now I think it was kinda genius
sly elk
but the funny thing was at some point, the hard drive died so I had to send it in for replacement
they sent the computer back with new dabs of hotglue lmao
(I took all the hot glue off after i noticed it)
strange garnet
I have definitely ripped AM2-AM3 CPUs out of the socket when they were stuck to a heatsink. Never bent a pin I couldn't bend back, though
deep sapphire
I have definitely ripped AM2-AM3 CPUs out of the socket when they were stuck to ...
thank god they finally got rid of ZIF
WORST SOCKET DESIGN EVER
sly elk
?
sly elk
means the cpu will stick with mobo forever?
stuck to the heatsink forever
outer sand
oh right ๐น
deep sapphire
I bent some pins on a phenom II from it, bent them back but fuck that is scary
gotta remember to twist it off
outer sand
I bent some pins on a phenom II from it, bent them back but fuck that is scary
what tools did you use to bend the pin back?
deep sapphire
needle nose pliers
paper tusk
Rofl I had someone twist a prebuilt I made and it was attached on with thermal *...
I've heard of that before too 