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[sly elk]

sexy chrome

[hard drift]

you paid like 500 dollars for your fans

[sly elk]

he spent more on his waterblock than that 3070 costs

[hard drift]

not any better

wasted space

[sly elk]

my experience with the 3070

it was the smallest 3 fan card I've ever owned

[vast apex]

Either way I'll just wait for slightly a little more to see if GPU prices drop further.

[sly elk]

and then it was like

an RGB black hole

[real edge]

anyways iluna just wait a bit, and if you want stability go with Nvidia, their drivers are better

[hard drift]

probably not much more until november if not later because amd is likely to only release high end first as well

[sly elk]

and this pissed me off a lot

[vast apex]

I'm not confident in painting it white myself.

[sly elk]

they really phoned it in

[hard drift]

drivers may be better most of the time but their psu likely won't like it too much

[sly elk]

ultimately i swapped out the nice looking card with a big tacky one

[hard drift]

ugly 🤢

[vast apex]

Not a fan of designs that protrude.

A solid simple looking is what I prefer.

[hard drift]

good luck

[sly elk]

the gigabyte was solid af though

like no sag

[hard drift]

gigabyte probably your best bet

[sly elk]

and the 3070 is very quiet and doesn't get hot

[vast apex]

You younguns may like those kind of gamer-look design

[hard drift]

i hate gpu designs lol, i hate rgb

[vast apex]

but I just want a solid simple looking design, no fancy carvings nor protrude kind.

[sly elk]

ice and I are.. probably older

[hard drift]

these damn old folks and their funky tastes

[sly elk]

ya'll with your muted 'tasteful' design

https://tenor.com/view/pardon-me-mustard-grey-poupon-gif-12901027

[hard drift]

i don't care if it's tasteful, i care that it doesn't look fucking stupid

[sly elk]

i mean

as long as you don't use beige noctua fans it won't look fucking stupid

[hard drift]

have you seen the evga heatsink

or some of the gundam BS

[sly elk]

evga makes some ugly stuff XD

[hard drift]

made 🙏

[sly elk]

have you seen their current case

https://www.evga.com/products/E1-bare-bones/

[hard drift]

that price smh

[sly elk]

i love how it comes with the dials

https://tenor.com/view/we-talking-or-racing-talking-or-racing-vin-diesel-fast-and-furious-fast-and-the-furious-gif-23286452

https://tenor.com/view/kalish-kalisz-honda-civic-tuner-gif-14157721

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/index-touma-railgun-bite-nom-gif-22274801

[deep sapphire]

LOL

[sly elk]

so much for driving it till the wheels fall off

[sly elk]

ooo 199 g920

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Z0UWV98

[umbral moss]

https://twitter.com/FungersTakingLs/status/1579470744085745664

NFT Bros Taking Ls (@FungersTakingLs)

https://t.co/Y17lTaUn4Z

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[vast apex]

Ok, did some research through local PC stores and whatnot, apparently that shop doesn't really stock in the above one, and the lower white color one is like, the second cheapest 3070 that is available

Guess I don't have to worry about this one.

[sly elk]

lol despite my whining about the one i had, it was a good gpu

very well built, and it was quiet while gaming, and it performed great for what I was doing with it 🙂

and in an all white build they look real nice

[vast apex]

And the cheapest 3070 available is like

only 22USD cheaper compared to the Vision OC white color that I'm aiming for

🤷‍♂️

Guess that's a no brainer choice for me if I have that weird preference.

And even if I want to go out my way to import stuff from Newegg or Amazon, the shipping itself will almost catch up

Ultimately no point hunting for every single shop out there for the cheapest considering my situation and the only option available that can make it significantly cheaper is to go with second hand

but fuck second hand products unless Japan.

[sly elk]

right

nah go with new

[vast apex]

(and even with Japan, second hand GPUs are hit and miss so there's no escape)

[sharp star]

RTX 4090 reviews soon

Can't wait to see power draw equivalent to the entirety of Iceland's

[dull garnet]

The supermarket?

[sharp star]

the country

[royal forge]

CRYPTO DIED BECAUSE ALL THE POWER GOT SUCKED UP BY 4000 CARDS

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-conspiracy-tin-foil-hat-gif-20017163

[sharp star]

https://i.imgur.com/Hs6ZABf.jpg

[royal forge]

That HAS to be a meme

Like..

Its almost surreal

[dull garnet]

is it though

[real edge]

850? more like 1200

[jaunty light]

850 just for the GPU

[royal forge]

https://tenor.com/view/火力電廠-thermal-power-pland-smoke-power-plant-time-lapse-gif-17658071

^ my PSU is ready

When does NDA drop?

As in 12th in what zone

[sharp star]

NDA drops in 32 minutes

[dull garnet]

Credit card at the ready

[royal forge]

Ooo

[jaunty light]

its time to buy your dream $2000 GPU

[royal forge]

Missed a 0 there

[jaunty light]

20k HKD

[sharp star]

https://youtu.be/j9vC9NBL8zo

[dull garnet]

i'm joking :p

oooh, 35 mins. they held back

[dull garnet]

looks like a card that can actually handle 4K60

[hard drift]

Even 30 series could

[dull garnet]

nah

came close, but in a lot of cases you'd be maxing the card and achieving more like 50

my psu is 650

[potent arrow]

Holy fucking shit this generation is nutty

[lost python]

crazy performance, good temps, crazy power draw

[hard drift]

the ffxiv performance

[royal forge]

Jesus fuckin christ

[hard drift]

1440p don't bother pretty much lol

[royal forge]

I'll be able to see every pebble on cape westwind

[dull garnet]

gotta go fast

ice looking up 4090 waterblocks

[hard drift]

losing access to future dlss killed price value for 30 series

with your luck it'll fail outside warranty

[lost python]

500w gpu only. damn

[hard drift]

pretty nice gpu power for locked fps although i don't understand why they locked it at 90

[potent arrow]

So uh

What kinda deal with Satan did Nvidia do

[hard drift]

they went tsmc instead of samsung

[potent arrow]

cuz these benchmarks are fucking insane lol

[hard drift]

that's the deal

imagine if they went with tsmc instead of nvidia for 30 series

[lost python]

if only the card wasnt 2k€ msrp

[hard drift]

but nvidia tried to twist tsmcs arm

[hard drift]

this one may be 2k but it just makes you think, how good will the 4070/4080 in november be

[lost python]

meh

[potent arrow]

But with these kinds of improvement, I can't justify a 30 series

Untill I see the benchmarks

If the uplift is even this much of a diff on those cards, I wouldn't even consider the 30 series

[hard drift]

@umbral moss guess you have a card to get now that'll be worth it

[umbral moss]

now they just have to make a motherboard and PSU that can actually drive it

[hard drift]

december 🙏

a bunch of pcie 5.0/atx 3.0 psus coming then

[umbral moss]

we'll see

[hard drift]

i mean there's already some, seasonic is releasing theirs in december

[umbral moss]

$260 for a 1200W PSU is breddy gud

corsair's 1600W thing is like $700

[hard drift]

yeah

is the 1600w dual rail or something???

[umbral moss]

I thought it was some kind of special digital supply

[dull garnet]

funny that the adapter they provide isn't right angled

[hard drift]

they want people to burn their cards

[jaunty light]

Pls be pinned the same way as prev gen

[hard drift]

?

[jaunty light]

Would only need sleeves for 12pin

[hard drift]

oh lmao, you're probably going to have to get new cables

[umbral moss]

if they did they'd offer a 2500W PSU and the option to have a dedicated three phase drop for it

[paper tusk]

or straight 240v only and for 120v countries suggest a clothing dryer plug at the local home despot

[umbral moss]

gottem

except 240 drops are rated for double the power delivery of 120V drops

[paper tusk]

I'm feeling like 4090 is about the upper end (watching gn video) because of anything higher than that and vcore clamping fucks up and starts things on fire as a feature, not a bug

[umbral moss]

you can't get more power into a PC by adding a wall wart

you really would need a 480V 3p setup

[paper tusk]

was talking more the safety margin in 120v 20 amp

or the lack of safety

3 phase works too but have fun with other residential things working on that

[umbral moss]

🤔

that's how your 220 drop is made anyway

it's a leg to ground 208V

[paper tusk]

in the us 240v mains is 120v (x2)

and the breaker joins the two main leads (sides) to get 240 again

[umbral moss]

with 3p service that's not how you get 220 service though

[paper tusk]

I only know residential service, not commercial 3 phase

[umbral moss]

residential doesn't normally fuck with 3p, so ye

your service is tapped off at the utility side so you never see the step-downs

you just get your 120V in

[paper tusk]

yeah

[umbral moss]

3p is generally superior for transmitting power because it's higher voltage and each conductor transmits less current so you get better efficiency

more phases generally better

[paper tusk]

I know. (also 240v in general being better in terms of less amps for same usable wattage)

[umbral moss]

well, breakers are also rated by current capacity, so you get double the power for the same service

[limpid quarry]

x2 FPS in FFXIV with 4090 @ 4K

[kindred brook]

whats the diff between x570

and

b550

for amd boards

[hard drift]

why're you looking at boards again

[kindred brook]

[dull garnet]

one costs more

[paper tusk]

mostly pcie lanes and maybe better power regulation. maybe

[dull garnet]

that's a per board basis thing

[paper tusk]

I have a b550 and I'm happy with it for the most part although my secondary m2 ssd can act lazy

[hard drift]

aren't you using 12th gen 🤨

why are you looking at am4

[kindred brook]

Nope

I finally bought a cpu p

[hard drift]

what cpu....

[kindred brook]

Got a 5800x3d

:3

[hard drift]

you bought a cpu but not the motherboard????

[kindred brook]

Yes I was waiting for prime day sales

[hard drift]

😐

[umbral moss]

🤔

[kindred brook]

All I need is the mobo and I can put everything together

[kindred brook]

https://tenor.com/view/sumi-sumi-sakurasawa-kanokari-kanojo-okarishimasu-rent-a-girlfriend-gif-18509695

[hard drift]

shoo, go look at your motherboards

[real edge]

I will wait until next black friday next month before pulling out money for a cpu

[kindred brook]

Whaaat I got my cpu for 350

Wasn't too bad for a 5800x3d

[hard drift]

you'll be upgrading next year just you wait smh

[kindred brook]

No I won't lol

[hard drift]

what cpu did you have before 😒

[kindred brook]

6700k

[hard drift]

likely story

[kindred brook]

It's literally still in my rign

[hard drift]

that's what they all say 😭

[potent arrow]

Heeheh

I'm laughing maniacally rn

[hard drift]

why?

[real edge]

tl;dr seems to be, impressive gains, bad value, bad power draw

[potent arrow]

Because I'm just wondering how my system is going to be in a year

[hard drift]

i mean powerdraw if you limit it to say 120 fps is pretty good most likely

90 fps lock was pretty amazing

[potent arrow]

Hot take, I am fine with the price point.

Power draw is uhm.

Yeah it's certainly a thing.

Idk if there is a sff PSU that I'll trust to run this shit yet

[hard drift]

same here, especially given once accounting for inflation/price increases from tsmc it's inline with what they 3090 would've been and still cheaper than the 3090 ti of course

[hard drift]

gotta wait for sff

[real edge]

but judging by the cards power draw it seems like my psu will be able to run the 4070

[potent arrow]

Not to mention a fucking sff mobo

[real edge]

if this thing is 500w

[potent arrow]

Or fitting this thing in a sff case....

[hard drift]

i mean, the powerdraw will be worse with a regular psu supposedly

[potent arrow]

Yeah ice....

Dual PSU ..

In sff

....

[hard drift]

ice doesn't learn 😔

[real edge]

corsair HXi 750w

[hard drift]

it's a regular PSU not a pcie 5.0/atx 3.0 psu

[real edge]

yeah but it has high quality components

that is why I am hoping

[hard drift]

eh we'll see

[real edge]

one of the more expensive psus

[potent arrow]

I think nhadala will be fine.

Given they don't get a super power hungry cpu

[real edge]

inb4 4070 has 8gb vram and I cry in a corner and skip out this gen as well

[potent arrow]

LOL

[hard drift]

it will likely have 8-10 gb lmfao

the "4070" (4080 12gb) doesn't even have much

[real edge]

I am planning to get a 5800x3d which is not power hungry

but hot

its like

100w

at full load

[hard drift]

100w isn't hot

[real edge]

the chip runs hot

cause vcache

[hard drift]

i mean the 5800x already ran hot

it was hotter on average than a 5900x

[kindred brook]

I thought all modern cpus run hot

And current Gen runs even hotter

[real edge]

I have no clue tbh

I bought it 5 years ago

if it exists locally :x

ohh its not out yet?

I tried searching for it but I couldn't find it on local price parsing sites

[potent arrow]

I cannot wait to render a video on a 4090

[real edge]

but I bookmarked it

Ill keep a lookout for it when the 4070 comes out

thanks ice

I hope it exists in my country by then

but damn if I can get another 4-5years out of this psu it will be great

[hard drift]

🙏 i can't wait to see what amd brings to the table to decide

[real edge]

if the 4070 has a 300w power draw then 750w psu will not be an issue

even with transients

[hard drift]

if the 4070 has a 300w power draw it's bad

the 4080 12gb is like 285w

yeah but they aren't looking to get an 80 class card

it doesn't work the same ice smh more cache

[real edge]

I bought it for 160euro like 5 years ago expecting to get extended use out of it

its old now so I hope it has not degraded too much

but then again it was never taxed

a 1070 and a 2700x is nothing

[hard drift]

72mb of l2 cache for 4090

vs the 3090 of 6mb

the 3080 had 5mb

4080 12gb is supposed to have 48mb

[potent arrow]

Amd never brings anything when it comes to rendering tho...

NVENC has always been better

[hard drift]

maybe this is the year 😭

[potent arrow]

No?

Lpl

[hard drift]

lol

[potent arrow]

Never happening when it comes to rendering

[hard drift]

it'll happen

[potent arrow]

Unironically Intel arc is ahead in that

Then AMD is

[kindred brook]

@hard drift

[hard drift]

that was enough time to swap cpu/motherboard for a quick boot

[kindred brook]

should I upgrade my memory

[kindred brook]

I WAS IN A MEETING

LOl

[hard drift]

THAT'S WHAT THEY ALL SAY

[kindred brook]

wow

I can show you my work calender

[hard drift]

never

[kindred brook]

ok is my ddr 4

"slow"

or is it acceptable

I got it when it first came out

gskill baby

[hard drift]

what is your ram?

just cas latency alone seems better than mine lol

[kindred brook]

Gskill ddr4 3200

ok lol

[hard drift]

it's fine

no need to upgrade

[kindred brook]

so I just need a motherboard

and I'm good to go

[hard drift]

smh

[kindred brook]

l3 cache heaven

bruh when I saw the 5800X3d outperforming 7950x in games

i'm just like

yeah I'm going to go the cheaper/less power hungry route

till they can figure out ddr5

[hard drift]

should've just waited for x3d 7000 series

[kindred brook]

noooo ddr5 is still too expensive

D:

[hard drift]

yet you were just talking about upgrading perfectly good ddr4 for newer ddr4

[kindred brook]

Ok

I mean ddr4

is pretty cheap

[hard drift]

okay, but you're upgrading something still useable right now for something useful but pointless now

[kindred brook]

OK FINE

BIDORI I WILL RETURN MY CPU FOR A MORE POWER HUNGRY VERSION

and then won't upgrade for another 10 years

ohhh

[sly walrus]

do the cases come with their own nezuko?

[kindred brook]

heres the memory

[hard drift]

it's perfectly fine

[kindred brook]

how come the frequency doesn't match

the 1600hz

I paid for

D:

[hard drift]

that's for jedec

you're using xmp more than likely

[kindred brook]

6700k with 3080ti lol

[hard drift]

better be gaming at 4k or else i'll beat you 🔫

[hard drift]

then the cpu was pretty fine

your gains at 4k are more gpu restricted than cpu

[real edge]

the next gen gpu prices are so insane that I might be forced to skip the 40 series regardless

[sly walrus]

40 series doesn’t seem worth

[real edge]

cheapest 4090 here is 2500

I can buy a used car for that price

[kindred brook]

I got my 3080 ti for 700

So I ma happy

[real edge]

this country is expensive asf

[sly walrus]

yeah there’s the upside

[kindred brook]

I ain't buying 4000 series

[sly walrus]

last gen’s cheaper now

[real edge]

the 3090 is still at 1050 here

the only thing getting cheaper is the amd cards

:x

700euro for a 6900xt

[sly walrus]

nice

[real edge]

but I do not want eternal driver problems

[hard drift]

it's not eternal 😒

[real edge]

its infinite

you're right

[potent arrow]

Endless

[real edge]

its not eternal

[hard drift]

[potent arrow]

I still have AMD GPU drivers issues

CPU? Not so much

[hard drift]

rdna 1 or 2

[potent arrow]

Yes.

[hard drift]

rdna one it's expected

[potent arrow]

Not a joke

[jaunty light]

Laugh at this user, he thinks rdna3 will have no driver problems

[potent arrow]

🤣

[hard drift]

all gpus have problems including nvidia

[jaunty light]

Yes

[real edge]

I never had driver problems with my 1070

in 5 years

[hard drift]

that's the golden generation for gpus

those days are over

[kindred brook]

my system struggling to play a 4k game + streaming + youtube + 2 side games

I got to close

games

[potent arrow]

;-; still on 1070?

[real edge]

yes

was planning on 30 series upgrade

but prices

went out of control

and still are

even used cards are too expensive for me

3080 is still 800euro here

[kindred brook]

Ok Bidori I returning

CPU

D:

[jaunty light]

Time to buy that sweet 5900x for 330

[kindred brook]

https://youtu.be/j9vC9NBL8zo

[hard drift]

you're too late for posting this

[kindred brook]

Oh

[hard drift]

we already discussed it all

[kindred brook]

Oh

[hard drift]

start here

[odd sand]

First world computing problems

[kindred brook]

I know

I have it actually close ffxiv

If I want to run overwatch

[hard drift]

why are you even keeping it open 🤨

[kindred brook]

Because ffxiv is an interactive chat room

[hard drift]

smh

[kindred brook]

Why else

[odd sand]

I'm pleasantly surprised I rebuilt my parents PC yesterday and aside from a few extra minutes to figure out how the Intel cooler snaps down and a standoff that didn't want to cooperate removing the old board, everything Just Worked.

Even the front panel leds/switches despite having to squint trying to read the pinout printed on the board, because it was so no-frills Gigabyte didn't include a bag of case screws or a paper instruction for the motherboard.

Also the 12100 reqs an 8pin aux power and I wasn't sure at first if the PSU had them, but after fishing around the nest of connectors, I did find 2 4-pin halves that looked designed to be used as one 8-pin. Crossed my fingers and it did work as expected.

[jaunty light]

4TB 870 evo for $330 hmmmm

[hard drift]

Tempting

[jaunty light]

$100 for a 2tb mx500

[bitter girder]

i miss my 1070

just fell apart one day

[umbral moss]

isn't the MX500 a breddy gud SSD?

[dull garnet]

it has dram, so yeah

I have a 1TB as a game drive in my desktop and a 500GB in my PS3

[deep sapphire]

I feel bad for AMD

Imagine releasing a product that beats your new product only a few months before it launches and the product is failing to sell well

[umbral moss]

couldn't have anything to do with the fact the boards cost $900

[dull garnet]

you say that as if it isn't a factor

[deep sapphire]

or that there is literally zero point in upgrading to the platform in general

on top of a terrible economy

[dull garnet]

nvidia releases $1600 video card

[hard drift]

I mean they’ll release 7000 x3d and it’ll start selling

[umbral moss]

AM5 is a huge upgrade over my 2016 HEDT board

but $900 for a board and another $700 for the CPU

[hard drift]

🙏 x3d threadripper when

[hard drift]

I mean it’s cheaper than am4 not accounting for ram lol

[umbral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-never-gif-14663571

[hard drift]

I know lol, the main advantage is for gaming

[odd sand]

AMD got greedy on prices, it was a predictable outcome

[dull garnet]

that's what ryzen is for

[hard drift]

I mean intel did the same thing, it’s just because of the economy atm that it isn’t working

[odd sand]

Why I've always said if AMD was in Intel's position they would do the same thing. And now they are perceived to be the "better" desktop CPU ... and they jack up prices.

[hard drift]

That applies to any brand though, that’s why brands are never your friends

[odd sand]

Sure, we know that, but there were a lot of ppl trying to bandwagon/fanboy AMD over the last several years

[hard drift]

True, and people are still doing it for nvidia 😭

[odd sand]

How can anyone defend 40 series

[hard drift]

i mean when locked fps wise it performs great for power draw compared to if you let it run uncapped

[dull garnet]

if you just ignore power consumption and cost they're great!

[hard drift]

and especially vs last gen

the price isn't terrible for an increase considering we knew the price increase was coming since tsmc raised wafer prices like 2-3 times recently and inflation. it's expensive for sure but it's not a terrible increase

[odd sand]

The only card that sounded like a sizable increase was the 4090

[hard drift]

i mean we'll see since cache is really increased vs last gen

[odd sand]

And the thing is, they need to be able to hit reasonable pricepoints regardless of the wafer increases

TSMC may be charging more, but ppls wages haven't gone up, so who do they think will be buying all these cards

[umbral moss]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[hard drift]

yeah but considering they designed it with a different economy in mind, they'll have to cut their losses at this point or keep prices high

[odd sand]

At this rate, a 4050 is going to be what? $500?

[umbral moss]

the 4050 is the 3050

[hard drift]

i mean they've been trying to drive up lower end for a while, 4050 will probably be 300-400

[umbral moss]

they're not going to release anything below the price of a 3080

[hard drift]

not for a while atleast

[odd sand]

I guess we have to hope Arc can hold up that end of the market then

[umbral moss]

nvidia does this shit every generation

when they get shit on by overproducing for cryptobros they just shove the next gen release into a higher price bracket and continue dumping the last gen as "midrange"

without lowering prices

[odd sand]

Tripling card prices in like 7 years is a bit much...

[umbral moss]

[sharp star]

genuinely impressed with the 4090's performance but still think Nvidia has their heads up their asses

absolutely useless as a 1080p card but what else is new

[hard drift]

I mean it takes nothing to run 1080p these days

It’s generally cpu constrained now

[umbral moss]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cerambot/matrix-the-ultimate-materials-3dprinter-let-your-print-big

so cool, but so expensive

[dull garnet]

3d printing isn't cool

[dull garnet]

digital foundry suggested the same of 1440

[sharp star]

I fell asleep before seeing the DF review

[jaunty light]

My 360hz 1440p needs disagree

[dull garnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdjBlO7sO0g owned

[dull garnet]

[umbral moss]

oh, that's the new lyriq

based design

yeah, we could have put a button or a lever there, but why not make it future and have it electronically actuated through our bullshit touchscreen GUI designed by someone who hates usability

[humble cloak]

THAT PERFORMANCE !

https://imgur.com/cLE6UxS

( probably still tank in limsa or hunt trains :p)

[sharp star]

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1579888507840888832 but why

Wario64 (@Wario64)

Meta Quest Pro up for preorder ($1,499.99) https://t.co/rt1A96sQY3

Likes

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Twitter · Oct 11, 2022, 5:35 PM

why

[dull garnet]

to compensate for the falling share price

[humble cloak]

that looks like a pro looking device with a very pro looking pricetag

[odd sand]

I forget which car it was that LTT did a test drive, but you had to swipe-scroll to view all the environmental controls

[dull garnet]

$100 ahahahaha

what a racket

oh well

that's a bit better

i don't get this paying for aesthetics thing

like wow, your pc has the same cable kits as every other reddit user

why even bother

[odd sand]

$100 for a fucking tiny little cable?

And it's not even made by Monster? /s

[dull garnet]

bruh

dem mid 00s scam cables

[odd sand]

You could really hear the fidelity of those 1s and 0s tho

Given talk of the connectors melting? They aren't.

Or rather, you can make the cable gauge thicker, but the connector can't be made larger

[late basalt]

That’d be on the PSU side tbh

[jaunty light]

Bust out the 2x 12pins already

Shouldnt this cap at 300..?

Every card is coming with a 4x8 to 12

Corsair must be smoking some good stuff

If its a 3x8 design maybe

That can do 288

My seasonic isnt, 150w max

I feel like it would melt

[dull garnet]

it'd just receive less power, to whatever the cable is rated to 🤷‍♂️

[jaunty light]

Im too dumb to math but whatever your max current is for the gauge

For atx2 the pcie connectors are supposed to be like 8a

[dull garnet]

i imagine all the published ratings are very conservative

power supplies are

[jaunty light]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-star-trek-tos-scotty-electrocute-electricity-gif-16908385

[umbral moss]

they use 14 and 16AWG for home wiring

you dorks being like "oh no, it might melt"

the thing you plug the PSU into is using a smaller wire gauge lmao

the weak point in your ampacity is the pin itself anyway

that's the problem we've always had with high current delivery on our diode systems

trying to pass 9-10A through a single pin and the cheap tinned brass is like "no, actually" incinerate

[odd sand]

Cable pins be like

[umbral moss]

eventually

you have pin temp to consider too

our issue was always that we didn't sink the pins well enough so they'd oxidize in atmosphere and the resistance would skyrocket until it killed the pin or the power mosfet

[hard drift]

https://videocardz.com/140142/geforce-rtx-4090-has-been-tested-at-8k-up-to-520-fps-in-overwatch-2 @deep sapphire 8k gaming time?

[odd sand]

Gotta upscale those 1440p textures to 8k baby

[jaunty light]

U mean use all low settings cuz ur a competitive overwatch gamer

[hard drift]

That’s ultra settings 😭

[jaunty light]

Ultra is for non gamers

[hard drift]

Shush non gamer

[odd sand]

Reminds me of the Quake3Arena days where ppl would gut everything and push like 600fps

[jaunty light]

Thats me, poo quality for maximum fps

[umbral moss]

enable N64 mode

[hard drift]

😭

[odd sand]

Although with LCD panels it doesn't pay to go over refresh rate

[jaunty light]

Less input lag

[umbral moss]

I mean, it always pays since the overlap time is way shorter

you don't need to draw all those intermediate frames but having them means the display will always have a new one to draw when it refreshes

[dull garnet]

i'm playing on ultra right now

getting what a 3090 ti gets at 8k, but at 1440

[humble cloak]

https://twitter.com/SkyJuice60/status/1579825383842537473?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1579825383842537473|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=

SkyJuice (@SkyJuice60)

RTX 4090 is just too powerful for CPUs!

4090 vs 3090 Ti
TechPowerUp 5800X:
1080p: 1.15x
1440p: 1.27x
2160p: 1.45x

TechSpot 5800X3D:
1080p: 1.28x
1440p: 1.45x
2160p: 1.59x

You can see why they are pushing DLSS 3!
https://t.co/c4MlQOJ466

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Twitter · Oct 11, 2022, 1:24 PM

We are gonna need bigger CPU's

[dull garnet]

god damn

[royal forge]

Damn

[sly elk]

can I please have the 4090's phone number?

[kindred brook]

lol

[jaunty light]

So we know kya likes scandinavians

[dull garnet]

i wish it wasn't photoshopped

tfw no 8 ft tall gf

[sharp star]

got a new boot animation working

[dull garnet]

Same

damn it

[hard drift]

Nasty

[sly elk]

ahh I find 6ft tall women hot

87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phoneNews (macdailynews.com)

[odd sand]

In other news: Teens and Boomers have the same grasp on technology

[sly elk]

sad because it's true 😦

I wanna blame the parents of the teens for the teens having a poor grasp on tech

they're the ones mostly responsible for locking down every piece of tech the teens touch

being able to use a computer or phone or whatever is base knowledge expected of everyone these days

I feel like there's an age where kids need to be given broken things and expected to make them work again if they wanna use them lol

https://nzxt.com/product/canvas-27q 124.99 for a 27" 1440p monitor but $20 more for the stand and they charge for shipping lol. The price still seems decent, but it might be a "you get what you pay for" kinda thing

[deep sapphire]

Teens and boomers just know the superior phone

[hard drift]

Me with my old laptops

[sly elk]

i don't think the pilot was ever limited

it was just... why would you ?

it costs more than a normal plate

How much will all this cost you? You can only subscribe to the plate as of today, and it will cost you $19.95/month for 48 months. If you’d rather do one lump sum, a four-year subscription costs $215.40. The hardwired commercial plate can be had for $24.95/month or $275.40 for four years. Professional installation of said plate is $150.

ya know what else is legal in CA

https://licenseplatewrap.com/

I think those are worth it

ahahahaha

i'm puzzled about updating the registration online being seen as a plus... you can already do that?

[odd sand]

Yeah, but now ask them to diagnose a computer problem or do something like troubleshoot getting home automation all hooked up etc. Most kids these days have a wide gulf of tech knowledge but its only ankle deep. Also they've stopped teaching as much logic and problem solving in school now. All about test scores instead

[umbral moss]

the question is, how difficult is the material?

🤔

[odd sand]

There are always exceptions to the rule, of course.

[umbral moss]

imagine trying to evaluate a toddler's skill at anything lmao

[odd sand]

Like people getting into Makerspace stuff I would consider pretty strong on the tech skills

That's cool. I know for example, I took my own training wheels off when I wanted to ride my bike and my parents were busy

So I kinda accidentally robbed them of that Kodak moment bc when I finally got them to come outside I was already riding around without them

Just in general tho kids are babied way more and way too much these days

Driven everywhere, lots of scheduled events, etc.

In general when I wanted to go somewhere and do something I would just bike there unless it was unreasonably far

We could definitely get away with it around here since its more on the edge of town and a smaller city, but when nobody else is biking around there isnt that chance for pickup activities

You don't just bike around and find wherever ppl are playing kickball or baseball or something after school in their yard with 8-12 kids

[potent arrow]

I think it's just cultural thing too

I'm expected to do that unless it's ridiculously far. I'm basically expected to figure everything out too

Noticed that growing up from my peers

[sly elk]

on kids learning how to use ipads

what about using typewriters and programming the vcr?

[odd sand]

My VCR taught me 24h time

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/vcr-gif-9399279

ah my mom had one of those

nope

[odd sand]

My parents had an old electric typewriter I would use to write stories sometimes. None of that IBM Selectrix or w/e

[sly elk]

before she got the brother typewriter, she had a smith corona that was just a regular electric thingy

you'd flip the power switch and it went hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[odd sand]

Yep

[sly elk]

it was a really late model though

something like that maybe/

i remember it having the shiny grey rounded keys that all those retro 'keeb' enthusiasts love

but my favorite part was when you typed the carriage holding the paper moved across

and then when you hit return it made a cute DING!

[kindred brook]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/y1trff/rtx_4090_tustin_california_micro_center_launch_9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[odd sand]

I wanna say we had one like this, but it's been so long I can't remember https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/smith-corona-se-100-electric-1910479571

[sly elk]

neat!

[odd sand]

Oh not that exact one bc I don't remember that word erase button

[sly elk]

yea i don't remember the exact model my mom had either

it was probably pretty similar to that because it didn't have the funky round keys the older models do

[sly elk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrappyDesign/comments/y193k4/yes_the_future/

[wide hill]

I could see it be a neat feature as a way to have a secure belonging if the touch screen was locked behind by having the key / phone nearby.

So, if someone does eventually do break into the car, they wouldn't be able to open the glovebox

Oh god, reading it further, you can only open it while stationary.

[sly elk]

yea it's funny because they used to have a dedicated button on the dash

and then it makes sense, the button only works if the car is unlocked

and/or on

[wide hill]

🤦

[sly elk]

the really annoying thing i found out

is ya know how cars sometimes act weird when the battery is super low?

well on this one, that weird behavior is releasing the glove box door

-closes glovebox- -glovebox pops open-

[lost python]

the fucking pcb of the 4090

is so tiny

[dull garnet]

That's what she said

[jaunty light]

bestbuy 4090 waiting room

[royal forge]

Im... surprised people are this FOMO about the 4090 that they're forming a line

[dull garnet]

it is Cali

[real edge]

people with more money than brain cells

[royal forge]

Still.

At THAT pricing?

Still kinda nuts

[dull garnet]

California

[royal forge]

Its.. about 1800 USD in my area

[royal forge]

The twitch streamer crowd?

The celeb crowd?

The tech bros?

[dull garnet]

it costs a lot to live in Cali, I would assume a reasonable level of disposable income

[royal forge]

Ah

I'd have thought more expensive living meant less

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jaunty light]

hell yeah im in a digital line

most are probably just there to flip it

[royal forge]

Ah. True

[lost python]

I didn't know this but the Radeon letters are actually RGB and you can change the color with something like openRGB

[jaunty light]

how malicious, forcing it to be nvidia green..

[dull garnet]

ew video card lights

[sly elk]

There’s a lot of thunder and lightning here so I doubt anyone is camping out for one in my town lol

[jaunty light]

is it still shitty weather

we got it for like 6 hours on monday then it went away

[dull garnet]

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-rog-strix-oc-24gb-gddr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-48c-as.html

[hard drift]

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-4080-16gb-is-up-to-30-faster-than-12gb-version-according-to-nvidias-new-benchmarks

[jaunty light]

Skill issue

[modest moss]

[dull garnet]

calling it quits eh

[lost python]

Welp

Cards in Germany are 2500+
Some custom models being well above 3000 even

[hard drift]

kind of expected

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidias-new-driver-enables-substantial-directx12-performance-improvements-for-geforce-rtx-gpus improving older cards

[modest moss]

honestly annoys me how they make a big fuss about 3090 and 3090ti performance at 1080p

[hard drift]

yeah but it's the esports resolution so it makes sense 😔

esports is how they get free advertising for the cards

[modest moss]

although it looks like some nice gains for my gpu at 1440p

[hard drift]

and then dumb kids see "they do so good with this, i must go out and get this"

[modest moss]

extra 10% in cyberpunk is none too shabby

oh it's 12900k so I may not get all that

[hard drift]

i'd be more impressed when games start using dx12 more 😭

[hard drift]

you'll still get most of it

[modest moss]

even a 5% boost would be nice

[hard drift]

it's free fps from a driver upgrade 🤷‍♂️

[modest moss]

I'll update at some point

yeah

[hard drift]

just don't play minecraft lmao

java edition of minecraft is where it's at 🙏

[modest moss]

I bet the performance in minecraft is still great anyway

I wouldn't use rtx in minecraft

I don't want it to look fancy

[hard drift]

it ruins the game imo

i grew up with the old and rtx just changes things too much

[modest moss]

yeah I want it to look decent, but no more than that

[dull garnet]

https://www.ebuyer.com/1542167-intel-arc-a770-16gb-graphics-card-21p01j00ba its okay bro

[modest moss]

that's a lot for 3060-3060ti performance

[kindred brook]

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-4080-16gb-is-up-to-30-faster-than-12gb-version-according-to-nvidias-new-benchmarks

Why not call one the ti version

At this point

[hard drift]

Because it’s an rtx 4070 branded as 4080

When the 4070 releases i bet it’ll cease existing or the 4070 will be that much weaker

[kindred brook]

Lol.

[umbral moss]

it's going to be the 3070 lmao

nah, they'll just re-brand some 3070s as 4070s when stock gets low enough

and be like "we cut you True Gamers a break, the 4070 is only $350"

for a card from 2020

I'm just going off nvidia's history of being cheapskates

the 4080 12GB doesn't even compete with the 3090 lmao

they won't sell a new 4070 die

[dull garnet]

lol

look what the latest driver did to my map

[umbral moss]

looks like cyberpunk to me

[dull garnet]

also for the purpose of troubleshooting i put the game on the steam deck preset

even that uses 80% of my 8GB of vram lol

[umbral moss]

should have set it to 2077 for maximum memes

pog, new surface hardware

[dull garnet]

I was beginning to install mods, which I thought prompted the map issue

Removed the mods and reinstalled the game before realising it may be a driver issue

[bitter girder]

they made optifine for cyberpunk let's gooo

[kindred brook]

what is DLSS

and what is it used for

[jaunty light]

Dominant Lysol Spray System

[dull garnet]

many performance, not much image quality loss

i think it is good

[pine glade]

Hey guys , my girlfriend wants to upgrade her PC and we were looking at some and we found this one and I think the specs are good and its pretty "cheap" as well. Could someone confirm that I know what I'm saying ? Here are the specs:

Procesador Intel® CoreTM i7-12700 processor
Memoria RAM 16GB Up to 64 GB of Dual-channel DDR4 3200 MHz
Disco duro 1 TB M.2 2280 PCIe SSD
Controlador gráfico NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX™ 3060 12GB GDDR6
Fuente de alimentación 500 W PFC, auto-sensing, 80 PLUS Gold, ATX

Sorry for the Spanish bits :)

[odd sand]

How much are they charging? Only questionable thing is the 500W PSU seems very marginal for that hardware

[pine glade]

Oh right I forgot. She could get this PC for ~1400€

[potent arrow]

Ehhhh

No

I don't like the idea of a 12700 and a 3060 on 500W, little to no headroom either

1400€ seems like way too much

[latent grotto]

Damn not even a 12700k

[pine glade]

So its not a good idea to buy it?

[potent arrow]

Seems very overpice imo

[latent grotto]

Do you have the option of buying the parts and putting it together yourself

Or we doing strictly prebuilt

[pine glade]

I mean that option is always there but I never built a PC myself and neither did she

[latent grotto]

Aight so prebuilt cuz im not taking responsibility for it

[potent arrow]

Mood.

[odd sand]

They're also EU though, aren't prices there generally out of whack? But yeah the PSU seems sus

[pine glade]

Yeah we're EU.

[odd sand]

If you build your own, you'll save like 20-30% on the cost usually, and following YT videos it's really not that hard, but I can't speak for your mechanical aptitude.

What are you looking to use the PC for?

[pine glade]

Gaming mainly.

[odd sand]

What types of games? Indies/Minecraft/Apex or something? Or more demanding AAA titles?

Also 1080p monitor or 1440p (1440p is 40% more pixels to fill than 1080p so you need a better GPU for that)

[pine glade]

More demanding AAA titles. She can play Indies with her current PC X)

1080p

[odd sand]

I can pull some stuff up on pcpartpicker, but I'm not in the EU so I don't know who your best choices for prebuilts or parts are there

[pine glade]

She would be willing to spend 1500€ on that PC

[latent grotto]

I feel like for 1500€ you could get a better pc

[odd sand]

I think you could stick with a 12600k for gaming. That is still 10 cores 6+4. It's $100 more for the 12core 12700

[pine glade]

10 Cores seems fine for now.

[odd sand]

Most games do the heaviest lifting on only 2 cores and simulation ones could have helper threads on all the other cores, but they tend to only be like 5% usage on those so even the E-cores would handle that fine

[pine glade]

We would appreciate it if you could put something together in the pricerange (or anyone else tbh) of 1000-1500€ for a gaming PC

[odd sand]

@latent grotto Have any thoughts on B660 vs Z690 for chipsets? I assume they wont be OC

[latent grotto]

I havent kept up for 12th gen but I would assume b660 is fine unless they need alot of ports

[odd sand]

@pine glade Going to be using wifi or wired connection?

[pine glade]

Wifi for gaming ? :P

Wired of course !

[latent grotto]

meanwhile I'm on wifi

[odd sand]

Well sometimes ppl are stuck at the ass end of the house and can't get wired where they are so 🤷‍♀️

[latent grotto]

Thats my situation lol

Although my house is small so wifi latency is only like 2-3ms

how's ddr5 prices these days

[jaunty light]

5 billion dollars

[odd sand]

@pine glade https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/jFh4wc

You might be able to get a better GPU by buying used, it's hard to say

Could shave like 80 euros off that by going with a microatx board and a 650w psu instead of 750w

[latent grotto]

Is there a performance uplift with ddr5 yet or is it still roughly comparable to ddr4. If there's a gain then they could change the ram too

[hard drift]

There is but wait for 13th gen to truly know

[latent grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/we-just-dont-know-what-we-dont-know-no-idea-i-dont-know-chuck-todd-gif-12382225

what if we just wait for 13th gen to recommend a pc

[odd sand]

@pine glade Here's with a smaller motherboard and the 650W psu. Case is up to you, but I like Fractal Design cases and their new Pop one looks quite nice IMHO https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/d3QTVw

[pine glade]

Thank you very much. We'll look into it :)

[odd sand]

AFAIK there is, but it's marginal and they'd have to pay like another $200 to get it

The DDR5-4400-4800 kits aren't gonna get you gains

[latent grotto]

[odd sand]

As far as building your own, the only part you have to be careful is placing the CPU into the socket, but Intel keys them to only go in one way, so as long as you just drop it in properly its fine. Watercooling is also easier to put on the CPU than air coolers IMHO bc they aren't as tight and dont have to worry about bending the heatsink heh

[sly elk]

las i checked, the problem with DDR4 is finding a nice board that uses DDR4

[odd sand]

The wires for connecting the case power button and stuff look messy but you can't actually screw up your PC doing them wrong heh

[sly elk]

like for z690, asus makes no d4 boards with the post code LED lol

[odd sand]

Otherwise you said she already has a PC? Depending on whats in it, you might be able to re-use the case and power supply etc. but if its another prebuilt the PSU is probably weak and if it only has a HDD then yeah...

The prices for motherboards are just stupid atm

The decent B660 boards are the same price as Z690 ones

And they're all like 50% more expensive than the Z490/590 etc. stuff

[jaunty light]

Sorry kid thats a premium feature. Cough up the $1200

[sly elk]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-anime-magi-gif-18672772

[odd sand]

I'm gonna stick with DDR4 bc I have B-die so I assume I can juice my 3200 up to like 3933 or higher

[latent grotto]

So what I'm hearing is 12th gen kinda fucked in one way or another

[odd sand]

If/when I get 15th gen or 9000 series or w/e I'll jump to DDR5 since it should be pretty mature by then

The AMD boards aren't really any better I think. Shit was all overpriced

[latent grotto]

Hope next gen is better

[odd sand]

The ones you would have spent like $150-180 for a few years ago, the equiv board in the outgoing gen were like $250-300

[sly elk]

ye I still get a good laugh out of that

[latent grotto]

Prices only going to go up from here

[sly elk]

i paid 272 for my maximus xi hero in 2018. The maximus Z690 hero goes for 549

[latent grotto]

sounds like I'm gonna be on console in 10 years

[odd sand]

Z390 for my 9900K was like $180

Supposedly was $370 before markdowns even? lol

But I guess it makes sense if supply is crimped by shipping failures and demand is the same, then price goes up

[sly elk]

tbh that aorus ultra looks comparable to the one I have

[odd sand]

I get the sinking feeling its just a price grab tho bc I doubt shipping problems caused their COGS to double

[sly elk]

i'm 100% sure that it is

[latent grotto]

Always is

Gotta pad those margins

[sly elk]

and people aren't crying because SSDs and I think ram got super cheap

[latent grotto]

Those are rookie numbers in this bracket

[sly elk]

and GPU prices came down to earth if you're not looking for a 40 series

still a bit expensive though lol

hahaha amazon recruiter:

What you might be thinking now...
“Amazon’s too [insert adjective].“ I can’t tell you what all teams are like at Amazon. I can tell you that Project Kuiper is a small/unique team that’s sincerely supportive of my personal and professional well-being.

they really are too <insert adjective>

[odd sand]

This looks promising. Just have to flash the bios for the new CPUs I assume https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-aero-g-ddr4/p/N82E16813145346?Item=N82E16813145346

Yeah you can get basic 32gb ddr4-3200 kit for like $110 now

[sly elk]

that looks good but I'd want the ultra for the 7 segment screen lol

in fact not a single ddr4 z690 seems to have that

that sucks!

[odd sand]

7 segment screen?

[sly elk]

and that said, if I were going to jump to z690 I'd buy new ram anyway. I have ddr4 3000 ram

[odd sand]

I have DDR4-3200 cas14 samsung b-die

So I'm fairly certain I can take them to at least 3933 which would eliminate any gap I might be willing to spend on DDR5

Bc I'm not paying for DDR5-6000 atm lol

[sly elk]

mine is nanya tech junk 😄

it'd be fun to try and kamikaze OC it

[odd sand]

Cheaper than I expected, but still more than this ram when I got it new. Think it was like $230 or so

And by 15th gen they will probably have like DDR5-7200 or 8000

What does 7 segment screen mean? power filtering?

[sly elk]

nooo

it's just the silly little thing that shows post code numbers

it's not really important hahaha

just nice to have

[odd sand]

I don't need the new board until I get the CPU at the end of Nov, but I expect 790 will just be even more than 690 so...

Ah yeah, I've had that on my last 2 boards I think. Thankfully I haven't had any issues that needed to use it

[bitter girder]

that's a good ass price damn

too cheap... what's the catch? is it like 5hz

[odd sand]

I'm just on the fence waiting or buying the motherboard now. Bc when 13th gen releases then ppl are gonna snap up a lot of the stock

[bitter girder]

not even mhz just hz

[odd sand]

And PCIe4 vs 5 SSD doesn't really matter to me

Especially since I plan to go short gap on this rebuild, so I can always get a pcie5 drive in another 2 years

[sly elk]

aren't there already 790 boards for sale?

oh nvm they're all launching 10/20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09GLD6LYW 169.99 for a ddr4 z690

[umbral moss]

honestly, having the numeric display for the PC codes is the most useful thing

there should never be a time you have to sit there like a friggin morse code operator in the 30s trying to decipher which combination of bleep bloops is code for "your shit's fucked"

[latent grotto]

true

its a "premium" feature

[odd sand]

I've just always gone with Gigabyte boards but I know MSI makes decent ones as well

[hollow hamlet]

how the fuck do those float

they have holes at the bottom to let out rain water

[hard drift]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-graphics-driver-quietly-adds-geforce-rtx-3070-ti-ga102-and-new-rtx-3060-series-support

[royal forge]

Ice

Its nvidia

[hard drift]

but nobody is going to really be buying 3090s now

it's too close to 4080 release where it's basically a better 3090 and gets access to dlss 3

[sly elk]

maybe it was on top of something that did float

not to ruin it but it's not a real pic anyway lol

[hollow hamlet]

oh

[sly elk]

I imagine the dumpster isn't even real in that picture

[hollow hamlet]

Upon closer inspection, yes, I must agree that it's fake as it's not bobbing like it would.

[sly elk]

haha this design looks familiar

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/review-dells-ms700-wireless-mouse-has-a-twisted-parlor-trick-but-limited-use/

[odd talon]

What's the current best wireless mouse and keyboard on the market right now?

[sly elk]

idk

[odd sand]

I can tell just by looking at those buttons they would feel like shit and sliding it around would be weird. The logitech ones are a decent size and shape

[sly elk]

yea i like my g502 and viper ultimate lol 😄

there's a huge variety of keyboards and mice so that's why I say 'idk' when it comes to 'best'

like if you want big and comfy, light or small or one of the mmo kind with a bunch of buttons

keyboards: large, small, ergo/split/ortholinear, etc

and all of these come in wireless!

[odd sand]

Had major wifi and bluetooth issues until I found that I NEED to use the wifi receiver included in the box.

Well yeah... if you don't connect an antenna you're gonna have a bad time...

[sly elk]

hmm?

was that a review for a motherboard?

bluetooth is a pretty damn durable signal though. Even without the antenna plugged in it'll probably still work hahaha

649.99 for a 6900xt lol

they're finally selling for the price everyone expected them to

hmm at the same time, the 6900xt launched december 8, 2020.. it's almost 2 years old

[odd talon]

just bought a mx master so lets see how that goes, may go for a keychrom keyboard

[sly elk]

there ya go!

the keychrons are highly rated yes

[lament elm]

Anyone know which monitor will work fine on my Legion 5 16ACH6H laptop?
Gigabyte G24F-EK 23.8" IPS FHD 165Hz
Gigabyte G27FC A-EK 27" FHD 165Hz
Asus VG279QL1A 27" IPS FHD 165Hz

Why these three because they're around my budget

[dull garnet]

All of them will work fine

[real edge]

what is going to be funny

is if the 408012gb has the same performance as a 3090 but the 3090 is cheaper

it might end up being the case

but the sad part is

what the fuck am I going to do

if the new cards are so ridiculously expensive and the 30 series are the same retail

the 1070 is nice but its also 5 years old and it might die

then I'll be left without a gpu

[royal forge]

I thought board partner 4090s NDAs dropped yesterday?

[royal forge]

We can only hope the 3090 might drop somemore

[real edge]

I hope so

its black friday next month so we might see some sales

I am not so sure in my country tho

we still get black friday

not sure about the sales on gpus specifically

[royal forge]

I dont. So i just sit and pray

[real edge]

amazon gets black friday

so there might be something there for you

when the day arrives

might be worth browsing gpus when the time arrives

[paper tusk]

I was going to blabber on about the value of 4080 12gb but it's kinda a dead horse at this point. if it's barely better than 3090 (with the drivers from today) but not as future resistant it's like nvidia why

also looks like 3070 ti and 3060 ti are getting a refresh

(GA102) NVIDIA_DEV.2207 = “NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti” [NEW]
(GA104) NVIDIA_DEV.24C9 = “NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti” [NEW]
(GA106) NVIDIA_DEV.2544 = “NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060” [NEW]

[real edge]

hmmm

they will probably be prohibitively expensive

I would get a 3070ti with like 12-16gb of vram

if the cost was reasonable

[paper tusk]

or cost reduced with gddr6x. not sure

or they will be feature updated for dlss 3 and rebranded

again, no clue

yeah, I would be ok with jumping up to a 3080 12gb but feels like a lot of money wasted to chase numbers

[real edge]

the 408012gb would have been nice if it was like 600-700euro

[paper tusk]

yeah

[royal forge]

I dont have amazon..

[real edge]

amazon US I mean

[royal forge]

I'm in SEA

SEA OF PAIN

[real edge]

the discount might be deep enough to where even with import tax

it might be cheaper

who knows

[royal forge]

True

I have never tried gettin somethin frm amazon tho

[real edge]

I have gotten stuff from german amazon and it was a good experience

good return policy

[hard drift]

https://youtu.be/CmUb9sDS9zw 🙏

[paper tusk]

haven't seen yet but I have a pretty good idea of the contents: don't bother populating all 4 plugs or you'll invite the card to use more peak power (but not get much more performance). the cooler is fine as long as your case is up to the task.

the value is still bad but only because 4080 16gb versus 3090 ti is going to come down to paying not a penny more than FE msrp for the former and getting a raw deal on the latter

[hard drift]

i mean 4080 16gb still is like 800 usd less for msrp

[paper tusk]

(well the value on 4090 is bad too but if you can make money off it, not upload things to youtube and pray for ad revenue but contract work, take one and run)

[paper tusk]

msrp is 1200 usd which is curiously close to 3090 ti at micro center

[hard drift]

yeah but for folks that don't have a microcenter it's technically 800 usd less than 3090 ti

[paper tusk]

yeah

[lilac oyster]

has anyone had any issues with xbox controllers on pc where the camera is constantly panning/looking around without doing anything? even while standing still, the camera very slowly pans around the room and is looking around on its own.

[hard drift]

joystick drift

[lilac oyster]

it works fine on other games however

[hard drift]

do you play through steam?

[lilac oyster]

when i disable 'enable gamepad' in system config the issue goes away so it definitely does have to do with the gamepad, i just don't know how to resolve it

[lilac oyster]

i dont, should i?

since i know steam has their own gamepad configs

[hard drift]

no i was just curious for solution route

yeah, i don't know how to fix it, mine doesn't have the problem

[lilac oyster]

dammit

i think this person has a similar issue but they dipped from the server

[hard drift]

Does it do it with other controllers?

[lilac oyster]

i only have the xbox core wireless one

do you play on steam?

[hard drift]

I meant other xbox controllers

[hard drift]

Heck no

[lilac oyster]

i only have this one controller unfortunately, other ppl have experienced this issue but doesnt seem to be a working solution

[hard drift]

I’m not sure then

Best bet is try reinstalling drivers for the controller

Or check the xbox accessories app

[lilac oyster]

ill try that, thanks

[paper tusk]

reduce stick sensitivity

it's really a dumb term for the dead zone

as far as the dumb shit controls i think that's a driver issue

I use ps controllers and changed to a different driver than scp toolkit and suddenly ps3 one became basically unplayable and uncorrectable button mapping

but ps4 one is now completely fine

[royal forge]

Oh wow

Apparently uh Zotac 4090s are on the market now

Is this.. uh.. supposed to be allowed already?

[paper tusk]

yes aio embargo ended on the 12th

[royal forge]

Ah. Ok then

Still stupid exp

[paper tusk]

watching the gn video above and i kinda really want to slap the corsair rep. the only thing the sense pin does is pull to ground and lets the card know something is plugged into it. ther's nothing smart about it at all

gn and guru3d got the same general idea in terms of peak power consumption when all 4 plugs are populated/oc enabled. 500+ watts

[jaunty light]

The only 4090 you can get off bh right now is preordering a zotac

[deep sapphire]

ew

[hard drift]

https://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?action=thispage&thispage=011002501508_B09WU78P.shtml&order_id=175669661 nobody has ordered one of these yet

https://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?action=thispage&thispage=011002501508_B09WU80P.shtml&order_id=175669661

or the liquid version

[jaunty light]

Do it u know u want the suprim liquid

[hard drift]

i mean i did debate it, but i don't want a 90 class plus i want to see what amd brings and if nvidia lowers prices

[jaunty light]

He wants a 408(7)0!

[hard drift]

not a chance

i don't want a card that'll perform similarly to my current card

[jaunty light]

But its new

Consume new hardware now

[hard drift]

if that was the case i would've gotten am5

[modest moss]

Bidori already ordered a770

[hard drift]

🤢

[jaunty light]

[dull garnet]

easy now, the drivers might work on that